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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass

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Dec 31, 2005, 1:57:59 AM12/31/05
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And the KKK, like the GOP, are models of moral rectitude.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200551228003


Iowa klansman wants protest of gay marriage
By The ASSOCIATED PRESS

December 28, 2005

A Charles City man who said he's a member of the Ku Klux Klan is
trying to organize a rally next month to protest attempts to legalize
same-sex marriages in Iowa.

Douglas Sadler, 41, said his efforts are prompted by lawsuits filed
earlier this month on behalf of six gay couples this month to alter
the state痴 marriage laws.

荘We don稚 believe God痴 law should be perverted any more than it
already has been,鋳 said Sadler, a Charles City resident and father of
four. 荘The further we go away from God痴 law, the further we get away
from God.鋳

Lambda Legal, the organization that spearheaded the same-sex marriage
drive across the country, is representing the gay couples in the
lawsuit. Group officials said they will argue that the state
constitution痴 equal protection and due process clauses make it
unlawful for the state to bar same-sex couples from marrying. They
plan to take the case to the Iowa Supreme Court if necessary.

That痴 exactly where Sadler plans to protest. He said his contingent
from Cerro Gordo, Floyd and Mitchell counties will head to Des Moines
sometime next month and spread their message.

荘We don稚 believe they have the right to marry,鋳 Sadler said. 荘In
fact, we don稚 think they have the right to exist.鋳

Sadler claims he leads a northern Iowa contingent of the Klan, but
would not name any other members.

Lionel Foster, executive director of the Mason City Human Rights
Commission, said he is aware of Ku Klux Klan activity in Iowa but is
not extremely concerned.

荘They spread the same propaganda as they always have and they thrive
on it,鋳 he said. 荘To be honest, there aren稚 that many Klansmen in
Iowa. We池e more concerned about the sympathizers than we are with the
Klan because they cause the trouble.鋳


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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass wrote:
> And the KKK, like the GOP, are models of moral rectitude.

Shouldn't that be their "rectum altitude" for brownnosing to other
xians?


Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher

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"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,
it's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
- George W. Bush, US President

>From 1945 to 2003, the United States attempted to overthrow
more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30
populist-nationalist movements fighting against intolerable
regimes. In the process, the US bombed some 25 countries,
caused the end of life for several million people, and
condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair.
- William Blum

"The best thing about the Left Behind books is the way the
non-Christians get their guts pulled out by God."
- 15-year-old fundamentalist fan of the books

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass

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On 30 Dec 2005 23:29:44 -0800, bg1...@apexmail.com wrote:

>Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass wrote:
>> And the KKK, like the GOP, are models of moral rectitude.
>
>Shouldn't that be their "rectum altitude" for brownnosing to other
>xians?


That too.

>
>Bob Dog
>Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
>EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
>
>-----
>
>"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,
> it's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
> - George W. Bush, US President
>
>>From 1945 to 2003, the United States attempted to overthrow
>more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30
>populist-nationalist movements fighting against intolerable
>regimes. In the process, the US bombed some 25 countries,
>caused the end of life for several million people, and
>condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair.
> - William Blum
>
>"The best thing about the Left Behind books is the way the
> non-Christians get their guts pulled out by God."
> - 15-year-old fundamentalist fan of the books

-----

MikeC

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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass"
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> And the KKK, like the GOP, are models of moral rectitude.

It's getting hard to tell them apart, isn't it.

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:26:24 -0700, "MikeC" <mi...@somewhere.net>
wrote:


If the hood fits....

james g. keegan jr.

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Dec 31, 2005, 1:58:24 PM12/31/05
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In article <iiytf.234193$0l5.207934@dukeread06>,
"MikeC" <mi...@somewhere.net> wrote:

tell them apart!!!! they're the same!!!!!

Scott

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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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> And the KKK, like the GOP, are .

Yang, Yang, Yang! You still here spreading moral Truth? Man you are one
dingo atheist.

When will atheists such as you realize there is no such thing as moral truth
and so no real models of moral rectitude? Well don't feel so all alone there
are a lot more like you.

Atheists like to point to the Euthyphro dilemma as an argument against god
or that god isn't needed for morality. Far enough BUT there is still a
problem that atheists don't like to deal with, namely moral reality. The
Euthyphro dilemma, not unlike yourself and other atheists, assumes moral
objectivism. Naturalism gets in the way of moral objectivism.

I have yet to meet an atheist who didn't think of themselves as both a
naturalist and a humanist.

Naturalism holds that nature is the only reality. There is no supernatural
anything and everything in theory can be explained by natural means.
So....unless you can give a rational argument to the contrary there is no
such thing as moral objectivism (aka moral realism).

Humanism, contrary to naturalism, assumes moral realism.

What the Euthyphro dilemma is to theists, the incompatibile philosophy
Naturalism and Humanism is to atheists like you.

Naturalism holds:

That morality is non-cognitive, that moral statements have no truth value -
"moral anti-realism". Therefore, morality is not objective but only
subjective; meaning which there is no culturally independent or universal
moral standard. Morality is merely a culture's code of conduct. Moral
progress cannot be real, and humans do not posses some kind of human right
to anything since nature doesn't endow anything with a right to its life let
alone a liberal, happy one. Evil isn't real. There are only differences in
opinions about how one and others should live a moral life. But!!! Without
morality being real all moral opinions are just differences in individual
preferences. One's opinions aren't better or worst than any other's opinion.
If an opinion could better then morality would have truth value and
naturalism cannot be the natural of reality. Your moral opinion is no better
than that of the KKK. Yeah, I know you don't *believe* that.

Humanism holds:

Morality is cognitive in that moral statements DO have truth value - "moral
realism". Morality is objective and we can determine if individuals and/or
cultures violate a culturally independent or universal moral standard.
Morality isn't merely a culture's code of conduct but a real fact by which
can be determined how close that code conforms to this universal standard.
The closer the culture's code moves toward this standard the more
progressive is its moral progress. Moral progress, then, is real. Moral
opinions can in fact be determined to be better or worst and another's. It
means cultures and individuals can violate human rights. Somehow, humans are
in fact entitled to (endow) with human rights.

How can atheists like you hold to both naturalism and humanism at the same
time without being cognitive dissonant? Trying to do so certainly isn't
RATIONAL. I see this lack of rationalism (this irrationalism) as odd coming
from atheists who pride themselves on being so dang rational.

If in fact nature is all there is - Naturalism - then all claims to moral
truth are the stuff of fantasy and mythology. Thomas Jefferson becomes a
myth maker in his argument for unalienable human rights in the Declaration
of Independence. And this Declaration, like that of the UN's Declaration on
Human Rights, becomes a profession of faith in a fantasy, a fairy tale, a
myth. The UN's assumes moral objectivism.

These declarations aren't rational. If they were we would not have to
*declare* them the stuff of reality that is somehow a part of the human
condition. If human rights and evil behavior are real then, for lack of a
better word, they are supernatural. They are something other than natural.

I have seen atheists us examples from human behavior and interaction (child
rape, forbidding gay marriage, etc.) as an appeal to reason for the reality
of evil coming from another. But when you press these atheists for a
rational argument for their existence of evil, like theists, they can't do
it. They can't because they'd have to prove nature is in fact moral and
endows at least one creature with a Right. Their using examples from human
interaction as an appeal to reason is very much the same as IDers using
examples from nature as an appeal to reason for an intelligently designed
creation. Therein is your faith, Yang. Welcome to the community faith
believers. Your Euthyphro supernaturalism only disregards belief in gods.


Christopher A. Lee

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Dec 31, 2005, 3:09:20 PM12/31/05
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:01:32 -0600, "Scott" <sc...@nospam.net> wrote:

>Atheists like to point to the Euthyphro dilemma as an argument against god
>or that god isn't needed for morality. Far enough BUT there is still a
>problem that atheists don't like to deal with, namely moral reality. The
>Euthyphro dilemma, not unlike yourself and other atheists, assumes moral
>objectivism. Naturalism gets in the way of moral objectivism.

No, moron, we wouldn't give a shit about your god-BELIEF if you
assholes didn't rub it in our faces at every opportunity.

What do you imagine you are achieving by lying about the reaction ti
that?

Hint: keep it to yourselves.

Mimi Cohen

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for the most part. I doubt that the moderate conservatives like John
McCain are.

Scott

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"Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:n8pdr1911is0m44a4...@4ax.com...

actually, Yang, there are other atheists more screwed than you on moral
philosophy, Lee being one of them.

Tell you what, you and Yang keep your bull shit moral irrationalism with
it's incoherency with Naturalism to yourselves and I won't rub any BS about
my god-BELIEF in your face.....which is something I never do in the first
place. I don't give a shit if you believe in a god or not. Believing
Humanism can be coherent with Naturalism is bull shit so all of YOUR moral
truth posting are pointless since, by naturalism, they must not have any
truth-values to them.


Bonnie Bitch

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:01:32 -0600, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Scott"
<sc...@nospam.net>

>I have yet to meet an atheist who didn't think of themselves as both a
>naturalist and a humanist.

Just as I have yet to meet a christstain who didn't consider itself
morally superior because their imaginary sky booger was telling it how
to behave.


Mimi Cohen

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Scott wrote:
> "Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:n8pdr1911is0m44a4...@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:01:32 -0600, "Scott" <sc...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Atheists like to point to the Euthyphro dilemma as an argument against god
>>>or that god isn't needed for morality. Far enough BUT there is still a
>>>problem that atheists don't like to deal with, namely moral reality. The
>>>Euthyphro dilemma, not unlike yourself and other atheists, assumes moral
>>>objectivism. Naturalism gets in the way of moral objectivism.
>>
>>No, moron, we wouldn't give a shit about your god-BELIEF if you
>>assholes didn't rub it in our faces at every opportunity.
>>
>>What do you imagine you are achieving by lying about the reaction ti
>>that?
>>
>>Hint: keep it to yourselves.
>
>
> actually, Yang, there are other atheists more screwed than you on moral
> philosophy, Lee being one of them.

Why did you call Christopher "Yang"?

Scott

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"Mimi Cohen" <mimiNO...@cox.net> wrote in message
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I replied to Yang and his thread. Lee then replied to me.


Scott

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"Bonnie Bitch" <bon...@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
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Yep. the stupid atheists coming out with pointless non sequiturs.


Bonnie Bitch

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:05:24 -0600, the faaaaabulous supreme deity

Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Scott"
<sc...@nospam.net>

>
>"Bonnie Bitch" <bon...@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
>news:j1sdr11m466vp23ti...@fe04.buzzardnews.com...
>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:01:32 -0600, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
>> Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
>> opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Scott"
>> <sc...@nospam.net>
>>
>>>I have yet to meet an atheist who didn't think of themselves as both a
>>>naturalist and a humanist.
>>
>> Just as I have yet to meet a christstain who didn't consider itself
>> morally superior because their imaginary sky booger was telling it how
>> to behave.
>
>Yep. the stupid atheists coming out with pointless non sequiturs.

You misspelled "christstains like me, the irrepressible Squat."

Christopher A. Lee

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:53:01 -0600, "Scott" <sc...@nospam.net> wrote:

>
>"Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:n8pdr1911is0m44a4...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:01:32 -0600, "Scott" <sc...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Atheists like to point to the Euthyphro dilemma as an argument against god
>>>or that god isn't needed for morality. Far enough BUT there is still a
>>>problem that atheists don't like to deal with, namely moral reality. The
>>>Euthyphro dilemma, not unlike yourself and other atheists, assumes moral
>>>objectivism. Naturalism gets in the way of moral objectivism.
>>
>> No, moron, we wouldn't give a shit about your god-BELIEF if you
>> assholes didn't rub it in our faces at every opportunity.
>>
>> What do you imagine you are achieving by lying about the reaction ti
>> that?
>>
>> Hint: keep it to yourselves.
>
>actually, Yang, there are other atheists more screwed than you on moral
>philosophy, Lee being one of them.

I'm not Yang, moron.

>Tell you what, you and Yang keep your bull shit moral irrationalism with

What "bull shit moral irrationalism", liar?

>it's incoherency with Naturalism to yourselves and I won't rub any BS about

What "incorerency", liar? What "Naturalism", liar?

>my god-BELIEF in your face.....which is something I never do in the first

You're mererly one of the zillions of in-your-face assholes who do it
and are too stupid to understand there wouldn't be any reaction if
only you kept it to yourselves.

But instead you lie about us, to ourselves.

>place. I don't give a shit if you believe in a god or not. Believing

What part of KEEP IT TO YOURSELF AND THERE WOULD BE NO REACTION can't
you spell?

>Humanism can be coherent with Naturalism is bull shit so all of YOUR moral

God thing that's your stupid fabrication then, isn't it?

>truth posting are pointless since, by naturalism, they must not have any

What fucking Naturalism, liar?

>truth-values to them.

What do you imagine you achieve by lying about atheists to atheists in
an atheist newsgroup?

And why do you liars pretend that your religious beliefs are "the
truth" when they are anything but?
>

Christopher A. Lee

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Only when you lied about atheists on an atheist newsxgroup. But then
you knew that.

Christopher A. Lee

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Yet another deliberately nasty lie.

What part of STOP RUBBING YOUR BULLSHIT IN OUR FACES, AND STOP LYING
ABOUT THE REACTION is too difficult for you?

james g. keegan jr.

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In article <fNBtf.3155$ZA5.909@fed1read05>,
Mimi Cohen <mimiNO...@cox.net> wrote:


i haven't observed these moderates doing all that much to reduce the
harm bush and his crazies have done and continue to do.

Ray Fischer

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Scott <sc...@nospam.net> wrote:
>"Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> "Scott" <sc...@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>Atheists like to point to the Euthyphro dilemma as an argument against god
>>>or that god isn't needed for morality. Far enough BUT there is still a
>>>problem that atheists don't like to deal with, namely moral reality. The
>>>Euthyphro dilemma, not unlike yourself and other atheists, assumes moral
>>>objectivism. Naturalism gets in the way of moral objectivism.
>>
>> No, moron, we wouldn't give a shit about your god-BELIEF if you
>> assholes didn't rub it in our faces at every opportunity.
>>
>> What do you imagine you are achieving by lying about the reaction ti
>> that?
>>
>> Hint: keep it to yourselves.
>
>actually, Yang, there are other atheists more screwed than you on moral
>philosophy, Lee being one of them.
>
>Tell you what, you and Yang keep your bull shit moral irrationalism with
>it's incoherency with Naturalism to yourselves and I won't rub any BS about
>my god-BELIEF in your face.

Hmmm. You beleie in a magical being with limitless powers and you
claim that other people are irrational for not sharing your belief.

That's pretty funny.

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

Christopher A. Lee

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Dec 31, 2005, 5:52:32 PM12/31/05
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Stupid. He has a problem reading for comprehension and another
thinking outside the box. And like far too many of them he imagines we
have to put up with his slanderous viciousness.

BOB

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rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43b70af7$0$58082$742e...@news.sonic.net:

A keeper. :o)))

Mimi Cohen

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Dec 31, 2005, 6:16:40 PM12/31/05
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and you replied to Christopher and called him Yang. You do realize that
I'm not Christopher and he's not Yang, don't you? Many people reply to
posts on usenet, it's generally a good idea to check the attributions of
replies you want to reply to, that way you know who you're talking to or
were you just too cowardly to call Christopher names to him personally
and thought you could insult him by way of Yang? That's a common
dishonest tactic of RRRwingnuts. If you're going to stoop to calling
someone who disagrees with your programming names at least have "the
courage of your convictions" and call Christopher names by addressing
him personally and not the cowardly way by way of a 3rd party.
Christopher is correct, keep it to yourself. You fucking xians can't
even follow your own book; was it Peter or Paul who told you people to
"pray in your closet"? Whoever it was none of you do it, you do exactly
the opposite of what you were told and end up with the "my piety is
better than yours". Fucking hypocrite xians make me sick.

Mimi Cohen

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He just wanted to take the typical RRRwingnut chickenshit way of calling
you names by way of Yang. You had his number from the gitgo, I gave him
the opportunity to make it right by implying that he's inadvertently
called you by the wrong name, but he wasn't even smart enough to go for
that out and ends up looking like the typical cowardly RRRwingnut he is.

Mimi Cohen

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Dec 31, 2005, 6:22:51 PM12/31/05
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Says the cowardly RRRwingnut who doesn't have the cajones to call
someone names to their face, as it were, and instead focuses their
namecalling through a 3rd party.

Hey, Scott, you might want to limit your replies to 5 year olds because
anyone older than that will see your stupidity and hand you your head
like this. Fucking moronic xian RRRwingnut lemmings make me sick.

Mimi Cohen

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Dec 31, 2005, 6:23:31 PM12/31/05
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Good call :)

Mimi Cohen

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Dec 31, 2005, 6:24:11 PM12/31/05
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All of it :)

Mimi Cohen

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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> In article <fNBtf.3155$ZA5.909@fed1read05>,
> Mimi Cohen <mimiNO...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>james g. keegan jr. wrote:
>>
>>>In article <iiytf.234193$0l5.207934@dukeread06>,
>>> "MikeC" <mi...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting Ass"
>>>><eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:npacr1ht6eamta6nk...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>And the KKK, like the GOP, are models of moral rectitude.
>>>>
>>>>It's getting hard to tell them apart, isn't it.
>>>
>>>
>>>tell them apart!!!! they're the same!!!!!
>>
>>for the most part. I doubt that the moderate conservatives like John
>>McCain are.
>
>
>
> i haven't observed these moderates doing all that much to reduce the
> harm bush and his crazies have done and continue to do.

Lord knows, I'm no fan of pResident W, but unless he's been much better
about covering up his KKK ties than he has his real crimes I doubt he's
a member :) There are any number of real reasons to be angry and upset
with this criminal administration that we don't need to make shit up
about them. :)

james g. keegan jr.

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Dec 31, 2005, 6:41:25 PM12/31/05
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In article <gxEtf.3178$ZA5.103@fed1read05>,
Mimi Cohen <mimiNO...@cox.net> wrote:

i agree. i didn't see anyone doing that, making shit up abut them. who
were you referring to and what did they claim?

Scott

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Dec 31, 2005, 9:59:11 PM12/31/05
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To any of you theists reading this notice how all the atheists replying
aren't dealing with their Naturalism-Humanism dilemma. They aren't trying to
refute the two philosophies incompatibly or prove they are compatible.
Instead they are attacking non sequiturs, myself, and their own stawmen.

If Naturalism and Humanism were compatible then moral realism must be true.
But that flies in the face of philosophical naturalism because morality
would have to have an underlying physics problem to be solved. Fat chance of
that happening. In fact if they were compatible it'd be provable that nature
has a moral purpose.

Any of you atheists want to claim naturalism is compatible with humanism
because humans have human rights by virtue of being human?....even though
such as claim would be as circular as "The bible is true because the bible
says it's true"?


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Scott

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"Scott" <sc...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> To any of you theists reading this notice how all the atheists replying
> aren't dealing with their Naturalism-Humanism dilemma. They aren't trying
> to refute the two philosophies incompatibly or prove they are compatible.
> Instead they are attacking non sequiturs, myself, and their own stawmen.
>
> If Naturalism and Humanism were compatible then moral realism must be
> true. But that flies in the face of philosophical naturalism because
> morality would have to have an underlying physics problem to be solved.
> Fat chance of that happening. In fact if they were compatible it'd be
> provable that nature has a moral purpose.
>
> Any of you atheists want to claim naturalism is compatible with humanism
> because humans have human rights by virtue of being human?....even though
> such as claim would be as circular as "The bible is true because the bible
> says it's true"?

I've had an atheist actually make that claim.

Scott

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"Bonnie Bitch" <bon...@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
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Hey, bitch, Leonardo da Vinci was also dyslexic. You have a problem with
dyslexics?


MikeC

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> "Scott" <sc...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>> To any of you theists reading this notice how all the atheists replying
>> aren't dealing with their Naturalism-Humanism dilemma. They aren't trying
>> to refute the two philosophies incompatibly or prove they are compatible.
>> Instead they are attacking non sequiturs, myself, and their own stawmen.
>>
>> If Naturalism and Humanism were compatible then moral realism must be
>> true. But that flies in the face of philosophical naturalism because
>> morality would have to have an underlying physics problem to be solved.
>> Fat chance of that happening. In fact if they were compatible it'd be
>> provable that nature has a moral purpose.
>>
>> Any of you atheists want to claim naturalism is compatible with humanism
>> because humans have human rights by virtue of being human?....even though
>> such as claim would be as circular as "The bible is true because the
>> bible says it's true"?
>
> I've had an atheist actually make that claim.

I'm not sure what you're really getting at. Human rights exist because
humans, as intelligent beings, invented such rights. There is no other
reason. In fact, there has never been a general consensus in the world as to
what constitutes human rights.


Mimi Cohen

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Dec 31, 2005, 10:36:29 PM12/31/05
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You very obviously have trouble reading for comprehension, Bonnie never
said shit about your typing "Christstain" is her little dig at the words
christian and stain you must be dumber than dirt and dyslexia doesn't
cause stupidity and can't explain away your moronosity.

Scott

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Yet we managed to hang a few Nazis for killing Jews after WWII for violating
the Jews Human Rights.

Humans invented civil rights and cultual codes of conduct. That we can prove
because those rights are relative to the culture. To naturalism there is no
such thing as the culturally-independent moral realism in human rights.
Rights (and wrongs) can only be rational within the context (the relativism)
of a given culture. What is a civil right in the USA may not be a right in,
say, Iran. The right simply doesn't exist. The cultrual moral code is simply
different. An atheist could go into Iran and get stoned or jailed but no
right is violated since in Iran you must belong to a sanctioned religion to
first be granted any right. No right, human or civil, would be violated if
an atheist is stoned in Iran. The Jews likewise had no right living in Nazi
Germany.

To Naturalism humanism is as much an invented mythology as any religion.


Bonnie Bitch

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:19:33 -0600, the faaaaabulous supreme deity

Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Scott"
<sc...@nospam.net>

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>"Bonnie Bitch" <bon...@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:05:24 -0600, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
>> Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
>> opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Scott"
>> <sc...@nospam.net>
>>
>>>
>>>"Bonnie Bitch" <bon...@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
>>>news:j1sdr11m466vp23ti...@fe04.buzzardnews.com...
>>>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:01:32 -0600, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
>>>> Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
>>>> opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Scott"
>>>> <sc...@nospam.net>
>>>>
>>>>>I have yet to meet an atheist who didn't think of themselves as both a
>>>>>naturalist and a humanist.
>>>>
>>>> Just as I have yet to meet a christstain who didn't consider itself
>>>> morally superior because their imaginary sky booger was telling it how
>>>> to behave.
>>>
>>>Yep. the stupid atheists coming out with pointless non sequiturs.
>>
>> You misspelled "christstains like me, the irrepressible Squat."
>
>Hey, bitch, Leonardo da Vinci was also dyslexic. You have a problem with
>dyslexics?

Non-sequitur.
Now, have a tissue to go with that whine.

Bonnie Bitch

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:36:29 -0800, the faaaaabulous supreme deity

Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Mimi Cohen
<mimiNO...@cox.net>

And yet, that "little" dig seems to really get to them. LOL

>at the words
>christian and stain

Actually, it's a take on just "christian." One day, I was typing, and
I misspelled it as "christstian," and I looked up to correct it, and I
felt the fire of inspiration flood my very being. So, I reversed the i
and a.
BTW, of my friends who are actual christians, all of them think it's
hysterical. And they all knew what the word "christstain" was supposed
to mean. Too bad Squat's too fucking retarded to figure it out.

>you must be dumber than dirt and dyslexia doesn't
>cause stupidity and can't explain away your moronosity.

<g>

Mimi Cohen

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Jan 1, 2006, 6:43:55 PM1/1/06
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They're so insecure it doesn't take much to insult them they come all
undone when I don't feel like tying out all the letters and just type
xian instead :)

>>at the words
>>christian and stain
>
>
> Actually, it's a take on just "christian." One day, I was typing, and
> I misspelled it as "christstian," and I looked up to correct it, and I
> felt the fire of inspiration flood my very being. So, I reversed the i
> and a.

I was just guessing, but I knew you didn't typo anything I've seen you
use it before :)

> BTW, of my friends who are actual christians, all of them think it's
> hysterical. And they all knew what the word "christstain" was supposed
> to mean. Too bad Squat's too fucking retarded to figure it out.

Too true

>>you must be dumber than dirt and dyslexia doesn't
>>cause stupidity and can't explain away your moronosity.
>
>
> <g>

Prospero Ano Nuevo y Felicidad
Happy New Year!

Bonnie Bitch

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Jan 1, 2006, 7:27:31 PM1/1/06
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:43:55 -0800, the faaaaabulous supreme deity

I used to do that, too, and got the same reaction. I say: give 'em
something with substance to bitch about. Then they can feel what it's
like when those holier-than-thou christstains mock others.

>>>at the words
>>>christian and stain
>>
>>
>> Actually, it's a take on just "christian." One day, I was typing, and
>> I misspelled it as "christstian," and I looked up to correct it, and I
>> felt the fire of inspiration flood my very being. So, I reversed the i
>> and a.
>
>I was just guessing, but I knew you didn't typo anything I've seen you
>use it before :)

Honey, I use it so often and frequently that I had to add it to my
spellchecker. Twice. Singular and plural. Possessives for both, too.

>> BTW, of my friends who are actual christians, all of them think it's
>> hysterical. And they all knew what the word "christstain" was supposed
>> to mean. Too bad Squat's too fucking retarded to figure it out.
>
>Too true
>
>>>you must be dumber than dirt and dyslexia doesn't
>>>cause stupidity and can't explain away your moronosity.
>>
>>
>> <g>
>
>Prospero Ano Nuevo y Felicidad
>Happy New Year!

Beste gelukkwensen voor een goed niuewjaar, snoesje!


Mimi Cohen

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Jan 1, 2006, 10:04:04 PM1/1/06
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You're being successful at it, some dumbass guy accused you of being
dyslexic :)

>>>>at the words
>>>>christian and stain
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, it's a take on just "christian." One day, I was typing, and
>>>I misspelled it as "christstian," and I looked up to correct it, and I
>>>felt the fire of inspiration flood my very being. So, I reversed the i
>>>and a.
>>
>>I was just guessing, but I knew you didn't typo anything I've seen you
>>use it before :)
>
>
> Honey, I use it so often and frequently that I had to add it to my
> spellchecker. Twice. Singular and plural. Possessives for both, too.

:)

>>>BTW, of my friends who are actual christians, all of them think it's
>>>hysterical. And they all knew what the word "christstain" was supposed
>>>to mean. Too bad Squat's too fucking retarded to figure it out.
>>
>>Too true
>>
>>
>>>>you must be dumber than dirt and dyslexia doesn't
>>>>cause stupidity and can't explain away your moronosity.
>>>
>>>
>>><g>
>>
>>Prospero Ano Nuevo y Felicidad
>>Happy New Year!
>
>
> Beste gelukkwensen voor een goed niuewjaar, snoesje!

Dutch?

Bonnie Bitch

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Jan 2, 2006, 12:41:08 AM1/2/06
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:04:04 -0800, the faaaaabulous supreme deity

While whining about his own dyslexia. Oh, well -- I guess I wasn't
christstain enough to be a holy dyslexic, like Squat. LOL

>>>>>at the words
>>>>>christian and stain
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually, it's a take on just "christian." One day, I was typing, and
>>>>I misspelled it as "christstian," and I looked up to correct it, and I
>>>>felt the fire of inspiration flood my very being. So, I reversed the i
>>>>and a.
>>>
>>>I was just guessing, but I knew you didn't typo anything I've seen you
>>>use it before :)
>>
>>
>> Honey, I use it so often and frequently that I had to add it to my
>> spellchecker. Twice. Singular and plural. Possessives for both, too.
>
>:)
>
>>>>BTW, of my friends who are actual christians, all of them think it's
>>>>hysterical. And they all knew what the word "christstain" was supposed
>>>>to mean. Too bad Squat's too fucking retarded to figure it out.
>>>
>>>Too true
>>>
>>>
>>>>>you must be dumber than dirt and dyslexia doesn't
>>>>>cause stupidity and can't explain away your moronosity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><g>
>>>
>>>Prospero Ano Nuevo y Felicidad
>>>Happy New Year!
>>
>>
>> Beste gelukkwensen voor een goed niuewjaar, snoesje!
>
>Dutch?

Natuurlijk. (That's a yes).


Mimi Cohen

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I just love words :)

sto...@the.net

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:52:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee

That's Christian Love® and Christian Honesty®. And these fools claim to
be the 'moral pillars of society.' No wonder we're fucked.
Fundies and trolls are urged to shove
a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed.

sto...@the.net

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Jan 2, 2006, 5:18:28 PM1/2/06
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:16:40 -0800, Mimi Cohen <mimiNO...@cox.net>

It was the Jesus character.

>Whoever it was none of you do it, you do exactly
>the opposite of what you were told and end up with the "my piety is
>better than yours". Fucking hypocrite xians make me sick.

Luke 6
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?


"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals, and 362 to
heterosexuals. This doesn't mean God doesn't love heterosexuals, it's
just that they need more supervision."
~ Lynn Lavner, a lesbian comic

sto...@the.net

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:59:11 -0600, "Scott" <sc...@nospam.net> wrote in
>To any of you theists reading this notice how all the atheists replying
>aren't dealing with their Naturalism-Humanism dilemma. They aren't trying to
>refute the two philosophies incompatibly or prove they are compatible.
>Instead they are attacking non sequiturs, myself, and their own stawmen.

The usual cowardly false witness I see. [yawn]

[]

sto...@the.net

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:23:52 -0700, "MikeC" <mi...@somewhere.net> wrote
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Nor have they been constantly followed in those countries where it's
claimed they apply.

sto...@the.net

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:19:33 -0600, "Scott" <sc...@nospam.net> wrote in

Ah, yes, Christian Love® strikes again. Scott, I'm 'overwhelmed' by
your courage, compassion, empathy, and honesty.

sto...@the.net

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Jan 2, 2006, 5:31:28 PM1/2/06
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:43:55 -0800, Mimi Cohen <mimiNO...@cox.net>
wrote in

Insecurity levels=off scale. What's really funny is it's *Christians*
who came up with the Xian-centuries ago! :D

>>>at the words
>>>christian and stain
>>
>>
>> Actually, it's a take on just "christian." One day, I was typing, and
>> I misspelled it as "christstian," and I looked up to correct it, and I
>> felt the fire of inspiration flood my very being. So, I reversed the i
>> and a.
>
>I was just guessing, but I knew you didn't typo anything I've seen you
>use it before :)
>
>> BTW, of my friends who are actual christians, all of them think it's
>> hysterical. And they all knew what the word "christstain" was supposed
>> to mean. Too bad Squat's too fucking retarded to figure it out.
>
>Too true

That comes with the territory.

Mimi Cohen

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Jan 2, 2006, 9:30:21 PM1/2/06
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Ah, yes, that pesky jesus guy :)

>>Whoever it was none of you do it, you do exactly
>>the opposite of what you were told and end up with the "my piety is
>>better than yours". Fucking hypocrite xians make me sick.
>
>
> Luke 6
> 46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
>
>
> "The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals, and 362 to
> heterosexuals. This doesn't mean God doesn't love heterosexuals, it's
> just that they need more supervision."
> ~ Lynn Lavner, a lesbian comic

Oddly enough homosexuality isn't against the Law; anal sex is. xians
don't know that because they have a very badly mistranslated forgery
they call Leviticus, whereas the Jewish Publication Society Philadelphia
does a very nice English translation of Vayikra in which all 613 Laws
carry the same weight as each other. It is equally illegal to wear a
cotton wool blend shirt as it is to have anal sex.

sto...@the.net

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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:30:21 -0800, Mimi Cohen <mimiNO...@cox.net>
wrote in alt.atheism

>sto...@the.net wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:16:40 -0800, Mimi Cohen <mimiNO...@cox.net>
>> wrote in
>>
>>>Scott wrote:

[]

I know. One 'aw shit' eliminates all the 'atta boys/girls' and its off
to hell you go for an eternally righteous torture session.
Such love... [rolling eyes]


--

Mimi Cohen

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Jan 3, 2006, 2:44:42 PM1/3/06
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Well that's what the xians "believe", it isn't true of course, there's
no such thing as heaven or hell, those things were completely invented
by the RCC to control the masses and keep them in line. Subsequent sects
of xianity (Lutheranism, etc) have continued the habit, because if you
don't have to be forgiven for "sins" there was no reason for "jesus" to die.

sto...@the.net

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On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:44:42 -0800, Mimi Cohen <mimiNO...@cox.net>
wrote in alt.atheism

>>>>>Scott wrote:

I know.

> Subsequent sects
>of xianity (Lutheranism, etc) have continued the habit, because if you
>don't have to be forgiven for "sins" there was no reason for "jesus" to die.

There's also no reason for the universe to have been 'manufactured',
either. Dang superstions cause all sorts of problem.s

Scott

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<sto...@the.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:19:33 -0600, "Scott" <sc...@nospam.net> wrote in
>>
>>"Bonnie Bitch" <bon...@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
>>news:22tdr1591n27skvhs...@fe04.buzzardnews.com...
>>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:05:24 -0600, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
>>> Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
>>> opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Scott"
>>> <sc...@nospam.net>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bonnie Bitch" <bon...@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
>>>>news:j1sdr11m466vp23ti...@fe04.buzzardnews.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:01:32 -0600, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
>>>>> Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
>>>>> opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Scott"
>>>>> <sc...@nospam.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have yet to meet an atheist who didn't think of themselves as both a
>>>>>>naturalist and a humanist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just as I have yet to meet a christstain who didn't consider itself
>>>>> morally superior because their imaginary sky booger was telling it how
>>>>> to behave.
>>>>
>>>>Yep. the stupid atheists coming out with pointless non sequiturs.
>>>
>>> You misspelled "christstains like me, the irrepressible Squat."
>>
>>Hey, bitch, Leonardo da Vinci was also dyslexic. You have a problem with
>>dyslexics?
>
> Ah, yes, Christian LoveŽ strikes again. Scott, I'm 'overwhelmed' by

> your courage, compassion, empathy, and honesty.
> Fundies and trolls are urged to shove
> a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
> at a high rate of speed.

I'm underwelmed by you. You guys go on and on, but not one of you can
demonstrate that Naturalism and Humanism are phylosophically compatible.
Some of you confuse the right in humanism for civil rights.

Until you do, ever fucking moral statement you give is BFD pointless.
Because....

...You guys go on about there being no such thing as moral truth but then
you hypocritcally argue as though you have such a truth and that truth is in
liberalism. You wear two hats, that of a naturalism and humanism. But they
can't be worn at the same time. You are welcome to prove me wrong.

Until you can show the N & H are compatible the best you can say is that you
prefer you pesonal moral code to some other. Well, so what? BFD.

Humanism isn't any more rational than any religion. It's a striped-down
religion where everything metaphysical has been deleted but Moral
Universalism. Moral universalism is moral objectivism.

I guess this is where you pull a David Letterman to O'Reilly and say
something dumb like "I don't know what you're talking about but I think you
are a lying sack of shit."

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