Gays banned from St Patrick's Day
J Young
citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay agenda.
Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/entertainment/2005-824.html
As big green hats and Guinness cans begin to fill the world's biggest cities
for this year's St Patrick's Day, it has emerged that gay groups have been
rejected from taking part in the New York parade.
The annual Irish celebration which is embraced by all cultures irrelevant of
the nationality, has been thrown into a gay rights debate after the chairman
of the Manhattan parade, John Dunleavy, blocked an approach from New York's
gay council leader, Christine Quinn, to allow gay groups to join the march.
He accused the Irish Lesbian and Gay organisation of "dirty pool tactics"
and using the parade as a tool for publicity.
Ms Quinn, who pushed for gay groups of 150,000 people to be allowed on the
march, was told that she was welcome to join in as a representative of the
New York city council, but not as part of a gay group.
St Patrick's Day is on March 17.
--
" The truth shall set you free "
Jerry Okamura
"J Young" <youngo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Douglas Berry
<youngo...@aol.com> posting the following on Thu, 16 Mar 2006
13:01:54 -0500 iin alt.atheism?
>This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
>citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay agenda.
>Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
Yeah, how dare those uppity coloreds darew sit in the front of the
bus!
--
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
Boy Toy
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<h3iSf.1306$w86....@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Next thing you KKKnow them damned niggers will want in too!
Denis Loubet
> citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
> agenda.
> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
Oh, the motherfucking IRONY, you shit-eating fuck!
What's YOUR goddamn excuse for posting where you're clearly NOT FUCKING
WANTED?
--
Denis Loubet
dlo...@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
pl...@quentincrisp.com
Like that damn Rosa Parks. What the hell's wrong with WALKING?
George
What ?
St Pats day without the catholic priests ?????
Gail Futoran
>> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
What are you doing in alt.atheism?
Gail
aa#2247
AZ Nomad
damn. another irony meter blown to bits.
Rob Duncan
<pl...@quentincrisp.com> wrote in message
news:1142536397.9...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
>
> Like that damn Rosa Parks. What the hell's wrong with WALKING?
Whats Rosa Parks have to do with fags wanting to suck shit of another mans
dick?
Rob
Parsifal
mans
*dick?
Congratulation: you've just been elected moron of the day...
Parsifal
*citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
agenda.
*Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not
wanted?
Funny: no one here support you or your postings, people call you with
the worse names and yet, you post your filth every day. Why do you want
to be somewhere where you're clearly not wanted? Please tell us!
Dennis Kemmerer
news:5okSf.115$pF6.1...@news.sisna.com...
[woosh]
Mark K. Bilbo
<youngo...@aol.com> wrote:
> This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
> citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
> agenda. Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not
> wanted?
Dunno. Why do you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
I just love this...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
Um... didn't foresee what exactly?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CA129BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
L'Amazone
J Young wrote:
I am Irish, from Ireland I work in NY State for the State, I am prominent ,
published, and I cannot march in the St Pat's Parade...
I am a Lesbian
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Membre; L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I have
better spent it elsewhere. Here there remain only fragments."
Rob Duncan
"L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:4419F4F9...@20RueJacob.fr...
So? Its not a gay pride parade or event. Its for St. Patricks day. Now
dont get me wrong, I think lesbians are the smartest woman on earth. Why go
for a guy, when a woman is available? It just doesnt make sense...
But back to the point... people wanting to enjoy a St. Patricks day parade
and celebration want, for the last thing on earth, to once again, be
accosted by the homosexual agenda. Surely you can understand that...?
rob
Rob
Martin
Says Rob "Whats Rosa Parks have to do with fags wanting to suck shit of
another mans dick?"
Why change your approach with a woman you sick fuck?
It's a party, everyone has the right to take part if they want to,
personally I find it sickening that everyone in the US starts crying
into their Guinness weeping over a homeland they haven't seen for the
past 100 years.
Every frigging American is an Irishman when it suits, especially when it
comes to supporting the "boys back home" and giving succour to terrorists.
Rob Duncan
"Martin" <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
news:441a0986$0$23294$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
Im not gay. Get it?
> It's a party, everyone has the right to take part if they want to,
> personally I find it sickening that everyone in the US starts crying into
> their Guinness weeping over a homeland they haven't seen for the past 100
> years.
Fine then. Good for you. But why does yet another celebration have to be
turned into a homosexuality education seminar? Fuck em. Let em create and
participate in their own events...
> Every frigging American is an Irishman when it suits, especially when it
> comes to supporting the "boys back home" and giving succour to terrorists.
Uh...? What the hell are you talking about?
Rob
Martin
So female homosexuals are ok but male homosexuals aren't?
>> It's a party, everyone has the right to take part if they want to,
>> personally I find it sickening that everyone in the US starts crying into
>> their Guinness weeping over a homeland they haven't seen for the past 100
>> years.
>
> Fine then. Good for you. But why does yet another celebration have to be
> turned into a homosexuality education seminar? Fuck em. Let em create and
> participate in their own events...
>
>
>> Every frigging American is an Irishman when it suits, especially when it
>> comes to supporting the "boys back home" and giving succour to terrorists.
>
> Uh...? What the hell are you talking about?
I'm talking about the sick-fuck americans who support terrorism. There
are STILL terrorists hiding in the good old US of A because the US
government will not extredite them to face justice.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
Rob Duncan
Right. Faggots disgust me. Thats my right. I find the idea of kissing
another man, or worse, revolting. Lesbians though... now thats just plain
HOT. I love Lesbians. Im all for lesbian rights. Lesbians rock. If I
were a woman id be a lesbian. Why any woman likes a man is beyond me...
>>> It's a party, everyone has the right to take part if they want to,
>>> personally I find it sickening that everyone in the US starts crying
>>> into their Guinness weeping over a homeland they haven't seen for the
>>> past 100 years.
>>
>> Fine then. Good for you. But why does yet another celebration have to
>> be turned into a homosexuality education seminar? Fuck em. Let em
>> create and participate in their own events...
>>
>>
>>> Every frigging American is an Irishman when it suits, especially when it
>>> comes to supporting the "boys back home" and giving succour to
>>> terrorists.
>>
>> Uh...? What the hell are you talking about?
>
> I'm talking about the sick-fuck americans who support terrorism. There are
> STILL terrorists hiding in the good old US of A because the US government
> will not extredite them to face justice.
Uh... okay? But whats this got to do with what we were talking about?
Rob
Boy Toy
<robtakethi...@gobigwest.com> wrote in message
<ZKoSf.158$yl6....@news.sisna.com>
Should I say it? No, it's too obvious. Even to a homophobic bigot.
towelie
>> Says Rob "Whats Rosa Parks have to do with fags wanting to suck shit
>> of another mans dick?"
>>
>> Why change your approach with a woman you sick fuck?
>
> Im not gay. Get it?
You sure are trying hard to prove that you're not. That means you're most
likely queer.
Steve Knight
wrote:
>This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
>citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay agenda.
>Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
Oh... So you'd be 'sympathetic' towards gays if they didn't want to
be in a parade.
MY GOD! How dare they say they exist to all the 'proper, good and
holy christians'! Bastards!
What gets me, asshole, would you say the same thing if a thousand
atheists wanted to march in your parade?
What's your censor limit, Herr Young?
Gays exist. Atheists exist. Sticking your head in the sand muffling
fascism, isn't going to change it.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
J Young
"L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:4419F4F9...@20RueJacob.fr...
>
>
>>
,
> published, and I cannot march in the St Pat's Parade...
> I am a Lesbian
>
>
>
That is untrue and you know it. The opposition is to gays not being
permitted to march under their own banner. Neither is any other group that
marches. If you wish to march individually, between the marching bands, you
are definitely permitted. But you knew that.
J Young
"Parsifal" <jeanpasc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142549182.3...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
> Funny: no one here support you or your postings, people call you with
> the worse names and yet, you post your filth every day. Why do you want
> to be somewhere where you're clearly not wanted? Please tell us!
>
For you, Parsnip. Without me, you'd be lost. What else would you find to
bitch about?
Mark K. Bilbo
Futoran" <fut...@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Being somewhere he's clearly not wanted...
The Chief Instigator
Getting attention, and not much else...he's infested the abortion newsgroups
for years, but at least he's settled down to a core of three or four
identities by now, the most used two of which are "J Young" and "IBenGetiner".
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 6, Chicago 5 (March 15)
NEXT GAME: Friday, March 17 at Milwaukee, 7:05
The Chief Instigator
Without you, IBen, we'd have one fewer idiot troll to annoy the rest of us.
I'll toast that tomorrow on my namesake's day.
L'Amazone
Rob Duncan wrote:
I am a published Irish academician;
I ought to be able to participate in a celebration honouring my own heritage,
especially when I have better claim to that heritage than most marching...
L'Amazone
Rob Duncan wrote:
First of all, in the Easter Rising, the beginning of the war for Irish
Independence, the leaders were:
Michael Connor: Gay male
Sir Roger Casement, Gya male
Patrik Pearse, the C in C of the Irish Volunteers, Gay Male
Constance Markewicz and her Lesbian Sister, Eva Booth-Gore
Maud Gonne, Lesbian
The founder of modernism in design and archetecture was Eileen Gray, Irish
Lesbian
None of whom, even the patriots who led the Easter Rising, could march in the
NYC St Pat's Parade...
>
>
> > Every frigging American is an Irishman when it suits, especially when it
> > comes to supporting the "boys back home" and giving succour to terrorists.
>
> Uh...? What the hell are you talking about?
>
> Rob
--
Uncle Vic
(alt-a...@org.webmaster) made the light shine upon us with this:
> In <n8jSf.571363$qk4.4...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Gail
> Futoran" <fut...@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> [ngs trimmed]
>>> "J Young" <youngo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:QsSdnXDEaY-...@giganews.com...
>> [snip]
>>>> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not
>>>> wanted?
>> [snip]
>>
>> What are you doing in alt.atheism?
>
> Being somewhere he's clearly not wanted...
>
ROFL!
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Atheists get to live their lives in accordance with their own desires. I
call that a win, compared to the collossal waste of time being an active
Christian. Atheist: win. Christian: lose. "No win" never comes into
play, because there are no gods.
Parsifal
*For you, Parsnip. Without me, you'd be lost. What else would you find
to
*bitch about?
I'm not the one sending postings about pedophilia on Friday nights or
daily nonsense about virtues or other nonsense. Which proves that I
have a life outside alt.atheism. You, on the other hand...
The reason I'm insulting you is to give you some sort of validation:
you're so pathetic that I wouldn't want you to feel that you're ALSO
all alone on the internet.
Also because I think people like you are like cancer: you must fight
them.
IBen Getiner
Shut up, you lying evil old fool...
IBen
panam...@hotmail.com
Oh, I get it...heBenGetinyou! There ya go, Young! A brand new sock name
for your next puppet. Enjoy..
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Pace Car Driver
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
tomsw...@gmail.com
This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that
turns ordinary citizens, who might have otherwise been
anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are
not wanted?
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/entertainment/2005-824.html
As big green hats and Guinness cans begin to fill the
world's biggest cities for this year's St Patrick's Day, it has
emerged that gay groups have been rejected from taking part
in the New York parade.
The annual Irish celebration which is embraced by all cultures
irrelevant of the nationality, has been thrown into a gay rights
debate after the chairman of the Manhattan parade, John
Dunleavy, blocked an approach from New York's gay council
leader, Christine Quinn, to allow gay groups to join the march.
He accused the Irish Lesbian and Gay organisation of "dirty
pool tactics" and using the parade as a tool for publicity.
Ms Quinn, who pushed for gay groups of 150,000 people to
be allowed on the march, was told that she was welcome to
join in as a representative of the New York city council, but
not as part of a gay group.
St Patrick's Day is on March 17.
J Young wrote -
Allow me at this time to wish each and everyone of you a
happy St.Patrick's Day. This is the one day *everyone*
gets to be an Irish-Catholic, so enjoy it!!
--
=========================
Gay groups have been taking part in the St. Patrick's Day
parades in Dublin, Ireland for years now.
Few "Irish" in the USA now are *Irish*.
-Tom Sr. (Half-Irish and Gay)
Robibnikoff
Giving up your crown so soon?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist Bastard Extraordinaire
#1557
Robibnikoff
"Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:47vvrmF...@individual.net...
>
> "Parsifal" <jeanpasc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142549080.4...@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>> *Whats Rosa Parks have to do with fags wanting to suck shit of another
>> mans
>> *dick?
>>
>> Congratulation: you've just been elected moron of the day...
>
> Giving up your crown so soon?
SHIT! Friendly fire! Sorry!!! :(
Rob Duncan
"Boy Toy" <Boy...@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in message
news:a68k1290s22ojsdtt...@4ax.com...
Homophobic means youre a latent homosexual who is oblivious to ones sexual
desires, and therefore dislikes gays to compensate. I dont have a problem
with gays behavior, I just find it unapealing. Sticking my dick in another
mans shithole, instead of where it belongs, is disgusting to me. Thats my
right to feel that way. Most men feel that way. Hardly abnormal or rare.
Bigot? Whatever... This clearly isnt a mensa group. LOL
Rob
Rob Duncan
"towelie" <bugoN...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:SsKdnS8se4aGuofZ...@centurytel.net...
Oh really now? LOL.
Rob
Boy Toy
<robtakethi...@gobigwest.com> wrote in message
<MOBSf.5$mf7....@news.sisna.com>
That sounds like you, Mr. "Faggots disgust me." Homophobia can also
be defined as an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and
homosexuals, which you exhibit quite handily (notwithstanding your
lesbian diversion.) Now, feel free to go back to your mensa group.
LOL!
The Chief Instigator
>The Chief Instigator wrote:
>> "Gail Futoran" <fut...@nospam.worldnet.att.net> writes:
>> >[ngs trimmed]
>> >> "J Young" <youngo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:QsSdnXDEaY-...@giganews.com...
>> >[snip]
>> >>> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
>> >[snip]
>> >What are you doing in alt.atheism?
>> Getting attention, and not much else...he's infested the abortion
>> newsgroups for years, but at least he's settled down to a core of three or
>> four identities by now, the most used two of which are "J Young" and
>> "IBenGetiner".
>Shut up, you lying evil old fool...
Sorry, but requests are only accepted on Saturday.
The Chief Instigator
>IBen Getiner wrote:
>> The Chief Instigator wrote:
>> > "Gail Futoran" <fut...@nospam.worldnet.att.net> writes:
>> > >[ngs trimmed]
>> > >> "J Young" <youngo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > >> news:QsSdnXDEaY-...@giganews.com...
>> > >[snip]
>> > >>> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
>> > >[snip]
>> > >What are you doing in alt.atheism?
>> > Getting attention, and not much else...he's infested the abortion
>> > newsgroups for years, but at least he's settled down to a core of three
>> > or four identities by now, the most used two of which are "J Young" and
>> > "IBenGetiner".
>> Shut up, you lying evil old fool...
>Oh, I get it...heBenGetinyou! There ya go, Young! A brand new sock name
>for your next puppet. Enjoy..
He's already used "plhumphrey 1"...
JC
Not to defend Rob or his views.. of which I have very limited
information.. but that comment above has to be one of the most idiotic
ones around.
Any phobia (as implied in one of the other posts) is, at its heart, an
irrational fear of something.. it doesn't mean you WANT to be, or are
what you fear.
Calling someone homophobic because they don't agree with homosexuality
is moronic.
Trying to imply that someone who doesn't agree with homosexuality must
be gay is equally as moronic.
If homophobia means you really are gay then what does that say about
arachnephobia?
Agoraphobia?
Agraphobia?
Apotemnophobia?
Alektorophobia?
Personally, I don't care if anyone agrees with or disagrees with
homosexuality.. what *IS* at issue though is whether disagreeing with
someone gives that person the right to limit their freedoms or to limit
their rights or to outright harm someone.
It doesn't.
If I choose not to have a kid, then does that mean someone who does want
kids should be able to force me to babysit for them? Nope.
Same situation.
YOU may not like homosexuality.. you may not agree with it.. bully for
you. But when you start demanding that homosexuals be arrested because
you don't like them, well, now we have a problem.
You can wrap your dislike for them up in any kind of justifiable package
you want and call it whatever you want.. religion, god, nature, but it
still does not give anyone the *right* nor does is justify their desire,
to harass, demean, control, badger, arrest, kill, maim or otherwise deny
them their basic human rights.
If you want to live your life like that, then move to some Muslim
country.. after all, the only difference between you and them is the
name of your god and the language that your *bible* is written in.
Rob Duncan
"Boy Toy" <Boy...@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in message
I dont have an extreme or irrational aversion to homosexuality. I have a
normal one. Like all straight men. Im just honest, and brutally blunt.
Sticking your dick in another mans shithole is disgusting to me... And to
most men.
That being said, I dont think its wrong, morally perverse, or anything else
of the kind; just gross. Woman turn me on, not men. Sorry chump.
Rob
Rob Duncan
"JC" <JakeN...@punkass.com> wrote in message
news:dJDSf.39$Ef2...@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Im unsure of who your diatribe is aimed at. I dont have a problem with
gays. In fact I love and admire lesbians, I just find fag sex disgusting.
I dont think theres anything wrong with being gay. Its just not for me...
the thought of it makes me want to vomit. However... two woman... RIGHT
ON!!!!
I dont know why ALL women arent gay... why go after guys when you could be
with a woman... just doesnt make sense.
Rob
Jenn
"Rob Duncan" <robtakethi...@gobigwest.com> wrote:
Perhaps you can then empathize with gay men, as they are "expected" to
make love with women, and they feel the same way about that as you do
about sex with men.
Rob Duncan
>
> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> news:47vvrmF...@individual.net...
>>
>> "Parsifal" <jeanpasc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1142549080.4...@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>>> *Whats Rosa Parks have to do with fags wanting to suck shit of another
>>> mans
>>> *dick?
>>>
>>> Congratulation: you've just been elected moron of the day...
>>
>> Giving up your crown so soon?
>
> SHIT! Friendly fire! Sorry!!! :(
> --
> Robyn
Youre brilliant.
Rob
JC
Yeah.. sorry about that.. I realized how it might have sounded after I
hit the send key.. it was directed at the buffoon who is/was trying to
imply that you must be gay since you don't like gay guys.
Boy Toy
<robtakethi...@gobigwest.com> wrote in message
<yTDSf.22$Yf7....@news.sisna.com>
Your "normal" aversion to homosexuality *is* irrational. Just because
a lot of people feel the same way about something does not somehow
make it rational. I have an aversion to spiders. It may very well be
a common response, but it is not rational.
>That being said, I dont think its wrong, morally perverse, or anything else
>of the kind; just gross. Woman turn me on, not men. Sorry chump.
Do not mistake emotion for logic, chump.
IBen Getiner
Boy Toy wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:51:51 -0800, "Rob Duncan"
> <robtakethi...@gobigwest.com> wrote in message
> That sounds like you, Mr. "Faggots disgust me."
Why wouldn't they...? They disgust any normal person. The generla
public will NEVER buy it, no matter how much you lie or how hard you
push. Not here in the USA anyway.
> Homophobia can also
> be defined as an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and
> homosexuals, which you exhibit quite handily (notwithstanding your
> lesbian diversion.)
You can 'define' it anyway you want, but what you're really doing is
attempting to silence your critics with fear by labeling them. You and
I both know this. This exactly how the evil left has done business
since the early 1960s, and it works. That's why you're still returning
to the well today.
In reality, there is no such thing as the label of 'homophobia', since
there is no such thing as an 'irrational fear' of something so deviant
and abominable. There is simply healthy rational loathing. That's all.
Just like there would be for anything else as equally vile and
unnatural. We back away from you people like a woman backs away from a
snake. And for good reason... You're sick, and what you do and think is
dirty and ugly. It's been this way from the beginning of recorded
history.
Why can you people not understand this? What you do it wrong. It
doesn't line up with God's idea of the human family, nor does it line
up with the natural selection concept that forms the basis of the
theory of evolution.
> Now, feel free to go back to your mensa group.
> LOL!
Feel free to croak from your self-inflicted viral diseases, you filthy
little queer. And please....make it ASAP
IBen Getiner
Parsifal
*I dont have an extreme or irrational aversion to homosexuality. I
have a
*normal one. Like all straight men. Im just honest, and brutally
blunt.
*Sticking your dick in another mans shithole is disgusting to me...
And to
*most men.
What do you think of heterosexuals who practice sodomy?
Why do you have to reduce sexuality to "where one puts his dick in"?
IBen Getiner
Boy Toy wrote:
But spiders are part of the natural scheme of nature. Homosexuality is
not, since the chance of reproduction is not possible. Therefore,
fearing spiders (simply because they are different) would indeed be a
phobia. So would fearing faggots, if your label were correct, which
it's not....
Who said we normal folk 'fear' them, anyway? We may loath them and we
may want to spit on them and we may all hope that they die of their
AIDS, but we do not 'fear' them. They are dirty and ugly and evil and
sick, and left unchecked, they will spread to our young like a cancer.
This being the case, your phobia label does not apply. Sorry...
>
> >That being said, I dont think its wrong, morally perverse, or anything else
> >of the kind; just gross. Woman turn me on, not men. Sorry chump.
>
> Do not mistake emotion for logic, chump.
Why can't he...? You've been doing it your whole fucking worthless
life... That's what your entire moral philosipy is based on. Dirty
little abnormal freak.
IBen
Rob Duncan
I dont even dislike gay guys. Like em just about as much as I like any guy
in fact. I just have zero interest in their sex lives. I find even the
thought of it revolting. We used to have to gay roadies
(boyfriend/boyfriend) and it didnt bother me a bit. They were just two guys
who liked each other. I dont even find anything wrong with faggotry. I
just find it, personally, disgusting... However, I make no moral judgements.
I just say how I feel. Thats all. Im not afraid of the fag attack of
homophobia. Im the least homophobic person on earth. If I were gay Id
probably be the biggest flamer around. Simple fact is though, Im not. I
like girls, and think anyone who doesnt, has tastes that are out of synch
with mine. Nothing more.
Rob
towelie
>>> Rob
>>
>> Yeah.. sorry about that.. I realized how it might have sounded after
>> I hit the send key.. it was directed at the buffoon who is/was
>> trying to imply that you must be gay since you don't like gay guys.
>
> I dont even dislike gay guys. Like em just about as much as I like
> any guy in fact. I just have zero interest in their sex lives. I
> find even the thought of it revolting. We used to have to gay roadies
> (boyfriend/boyfriend) and it didnt bother me a bit. They were just
> two guys who liked each other. I dont even find anything wrong with
> faggotry. I just find it, personally, disgusting... However, I make
> no moral judgements. I just say how I feel. Thats all. Im not
> afraid of the fag attack of homophobia. Im the least homophobic
> person on earth. If I were gay Id probably be the biggest flamer
> around. Simple fact is though, Im not. I like girls, and think
> anyone who doesnt, has tastes that are out of synch with mine.
If it doesn't bother you, why do you spend so much time talking about it and
trying to convince us that you're not one of them? (It doesn't work, by the
way)
Jeff North
Duncan" <robtakethi...@gobigwest.com>
<FzESf.29$CJ.1...@news.sisna.com> wrote:
>| "JC" <JakeN...@punkass.com> wrote in message
>| news:lhESf.45$Ef2...@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
[snip]
>| > Yeah.. sorry about that.. I realized how it might have sounded after I hit
>| > the send key.. it was directed at the buffoon who is/was trying to imply
>| > that you must be gay since you don't like gay guys.
>|
>| I dont even dislike gay guys. Like em just about as much as I like any guy
>| in fact. I just have zero interest in their sex lives. I find even the
>| thought of it revolting. We used to have to gay roadies
>| (boyfriend/boyfriend) and it didnt bother me a bit. They were just two guys
>| who liked each other. I dont even find anything wrong with faggotry. I
>| just find it, personally, disgusting... However, I make no moral judgements.
>| I just say how I feel. Thats all. Im not afraid of the fag attack of
>| homophobia. Im the least homophobic person on earth. If I were gay Id
>| probably be the biggest flamer around. Simple fact is though, Im not. I
>| like girls, and think anyone who doesnt, has tastes that are out of synch
>| with mine. Nothing more.
Here in alt.politics.homosexuality we get a lot of 'phobes using
exactly the same terms/phrases as you have used. You might want to
'tone down' the language a bit (just a friendly suggestion).
Just out of interest (not wanting to start any flames or anything)
what is your stance on gay marriage and gay rights.
---------------------------------------------------------------
jnor...@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply
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Bill Baker
wrote in message news:<5JOdneskHe3...@giganews.com>...
>
> "Parsifal" <jeanpasc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142549182.3...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>> Funny: no one here support you or your postings, people call you with
>> the worse names and yet, you post your filth every day. Why do you want
>> to be somewhere where you're clearly not wanted? Please tell us!
>>
>
> For you, Parsnip. Without me, you'd be lost. What else would you find to
> bitch about?
So maybe without gays trying to march in the St. Patrick's day parade the
Irish would have nothing to bitch about. I guess you just answered your
own question.
--
Bushism 1-28/29:
"I'm gonna talk about the ideal world, Chris. I've read--I understand reality.
If you're asking me as the president, would I understand reality, I do."
--On abortion; on MSNBC's Hardball; May 31, 2000
DanielSan
Homosexuality exists in nature, and sex isn't always about reproduction.
> Therefore,
> fearing spiders (simply because they are different) would indeed be a
> phobia. So would fearing faggots, if your label were correct, which
> it's not....
> Who said we normal folk 'fear' them, anyway? We...
Please speak only for yourself. I am normal (though you may not agree
and, frankly, I don't give a damn) and, while I would never engage in
homosexual acts myself, I see no reason for disgust.
There are far more things to be disgusted about than what sexual
position Joe and Steve are in. Ever heard of a Palestinian Hanging?
That is FAR more disgusting.
> may loath them and we
> may want to spit on them and we may all hope that they die of their
> AIDS, but we do not 'fear' them.
You can replace all the "we" in the above with "I" and you'll be more
accurate. I do not feel this way.
> They are dirty and ugly and evil and
> sick, and left unchecked, they will spread to our young like a cancer.
Homosexuality is not contagious.
> This being the case, your phobia label does not apply. Sorry...
If what you said was true, yes. But, since it isn't true....
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Alexander@la.usa Jude Alexander
> This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
> citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
> agenda.
> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
Would you have said the same thing about blacks if you had lived 50 years
ago?
newsguy
J Young wrote:
> This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
> citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay agenda.
> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
>
As the same restrooms, drinking fountains, counters and
schools as whites. Why did they want to be somewhere
where they clearly were not wanted?
Ronald O'Neal
I wasn't aware that Gays had been banned from the St. Patrick's Day parade.
But as Ian McKellan observed, hosting SNL, "They banned Gays from the
parade, but didn't seem to mind the Catholic priests participating."
RO
L'Amazone
Ronald O'Neal wrote:
ROFL!!!!!!!!!
Godd Bless Sir Ian
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Membre; L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I have
better spent it elsewhere. Here there remain only fragments."
Stan de SD
"Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote in message
news:BaSdnZ9khdl...@io.com...
> > citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
> > agenda.
> > Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
>
>
> What's YOUR goddamn excuse for posting where you're clearly NOT FUCKING
> WANTED?
Uh, what's yours?
Stan de SD
"L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
news:4419F4F9...@20RueJacob.fr...
>
>
> J Young wrote:
>
> > citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
agenda.
> > Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
> >
How many Sons of Erin do you see marching in the Gay Pride Parade? Or do you
need attention all the time?
Stan de SD
"Martin" <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
news:441a0986$0$23294$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
> Rob Duncan wrote:
Now
> > dont get me wrong, I think lesbians are the smartest woman on earth.
Why go
> > for a guy, when a woman is available? It just doesnt make sense...
> >
> > But back to the point... people wanting to enjoy a St. Patricks day
parade
> > and celebration want, for the last thing on earth, to once again, be
> > accosted by the homosexual agenda. Surely you can understand that...?
>
> another mans dick?"
>
> Why change your approach with a woman you sick fuck?
>
Not if you're not invited.
> personally I find it sickening that everyone in the US starts crying
> into their Guinness weeping over a homeland they haven't seen for the
> past 100 years.
I have seen plenty of Ireland (both the north and south) and I didn't even
touch any Guiness (although I do like it). I wore orange and flew my flag
with the big red hand on it... (:O)
Stan de SD
>
> So female homosexuals are ok but male homosexuals aren't?
>
into
> >> their Guinness weeping over a homeland they haven't seen for the past
100
> >> years.
> >
be
> > turned into a homosexuality education seminar? Fuck em. Let em create
and
> > participate in their own events...
> >
> >
> >> Every frigging American is an Irishman when it suits, especially when
it
> >> comes to supporting the "boys back home" and giving succour to
terrorists.
> >
> > Uh...? What the hell are you talking about?
>
> I'm talking about the sick-fuck americans who support terrorism. There
> are STILL terrorists hiding in the good old US of A because the US
> government will not extredite them to face justice.
Funny how most of them are supported by certain Democrats from
Massachusetts.
Stan de SD
"Boy Toy" <Boy...@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in message
No, it's called "natural"...
Stan de SD
"L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
>
>
> Rob Duncan wrote:
>
> > "Martin" <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:441a0986$0$23294$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
> > > Rob Duncan wrote:
> > >> "L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
> > >> news:4419F4F9...@20RueJacob.fr...
> > >>>
> > >>> J Young wrote:
be
> > turned into a homosexuality education seminar? Fuck em. Let em create
and
> > participate in their own events...
>
> Independence, the leaders were:
> Michael Connor: Gay male
> Sir Roger Casement, Gya male
> Patrik Pearse, the C in C of the Irish Volunteers, Gay Male
> Constance Markewicz and her Lesbian Sister, Eva Booth-Gore
> Maud Gonne, Lesbian
>
> The founder of modernism in design and archetecture was Eileen Gray, Irish
> Lesbian
Thanks for reminding me to wear orange next year...
Stan de SD
"L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
>
>
> Rob Duncan wrote:
>
> > "L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
> > news:4419F4F9...@20RueJacob.fr...
> > >
> > >
> > > J Young wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Rob
>
> I am a published Irish academician;
Try dressing like a leprechaun instead of a fairy next year, and see if they
let you in... ;O)
2 prominent Irish homosexuals: Michael FitzPatrick and Patrick FitzMichael -
ROTFLMAO!!!
Stan de SD
>
> "L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
> news:4419F4F9...@20RueJacob.fr...
> >
> >
> >>
prominent
> ,
> > published, and I cannot march in the St Pat's Parade...
> > I am a Lesbian
>
> permitted to march under their own banner. Neither is any other group that
> marches. If you wish to march individually, between the marching bands,
you
> are definitely permitted. But you knew that.
Facts don't mean anything to kooky gay militants, which is why they deserve
the ridicule they get...
Stan de SD
"Steve Knight" <wo...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4h9k125ad885i3cpo...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:01:54 -0500, "J Young" <youngo...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
> >citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
agenda.
> >Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
>
> be in a parade.
>
> MY GOD! How dare they say they exist to all the 'proper, good and
> holy christians'! Bastards!
As usual, the narcissistic militant homos, eager for attention during the
week when they are not dressed in drag and singing "I will survive" on the
weekends at the Blow Hole Tavern, seek to distort the issue in order to
claim persecution. Nobody was giving you the "locker-room-woody" test to see
if you were a homo before you marched in the parade. All they asked is that
you not hijack it to push your wacko militant gay agenda, that's all.
And while we're at it, let me clear up a few more distortions you kooks make
when you have to deal with people you disagree with:
(1) This is a free country, but freedom works both ways. Your right to have
sexual relations with other consenting adults of the same sex does not void
my right to mock, criticize, and ridicule you as I see fit in a public
forum.
(2) Most people don't have issues with the fact that you're gay. They have
issues with the fact that militant gays push their agenda at every
opportunity to the point of being confrontational.
(3) Dislike, disgust, and contempt for certain aspects of homosexual
behavior is NOT a "phobia".
(4) Most homosexuals are hypocrites. They adapt left-wing, anti-American
stances, and criticize Christians and Americans for imagined injustices, but
say nothing about the abuses of homsexuals in the Muslim world.
(5) Pointing out your illogical and fallacious arguments in a given argument
does NOT constitute a wholesale endorsement of the contrary argument.
(6) If you're so confident in your own minds that homosexuality is fine and
dandy, why all the pressure to force others to endorse your point of view?
Kindly let me know if there is anything else I can set you "straight" on
(pun intended...) ;O)
Stan de SD
"Jeff North" <jnor...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:nbpm12ttc1t0nl63p...@4ax.com...
Why should he "tone down" his language for you? Where is it written that
everyone has to walk on eggshells to avoid offending hyper-sensitive homos?
Fucking hypocrites. You want to rip on straight society all the time, yet
seek their acceptance at the same time. Can't have it both ways...
Sanders Kaufman
news:kFUSf.320$76....@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> "J Young" <youngo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
>> citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
>> agenda.
>> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
>
> Would you have said the same thing about blacks if you had lived 50 years
> ago?
Gov. Rick Perry of Texas made a speach in which he said that if gays want to
have representation in government - they should leave Texas.
This is exactly the way that Hitler drummed up hatred for the jews.
--
NeoChristians and al Quaedans don't respond to torture.
NeoChristians and al Quaedans don't respond to diplomacy.
They can only be stopped through seizure and destruction of their property
and lives.
Sanders Kaufman
news:kFUSf.320$76....@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
>> citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
>> agenda.
>> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
>
> Would you have said the same thing about blacks if you had lived 50 years
> ago?
Of course, he would.
That's exactly what Those People did do.
That's the nature of slave state Christianity.
Sanders Kaufman
news:441c45bc$0$56214$ae4e...@news.nationwide.net...
> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> I wasn't aware that Gays had been banned from the St. Patrick's Day
> parade.
> But as Ian McKellan observed, hosting SNL, "They banned Gays from the
> parade, but didn't seem to mind the Catholic priests participating."
That's because the priests at least give them lip service.
Alexander@la.usa Jude Alexander
"Stan de SD" <standesd_DI...@covad.net> wrote in message
news:5274d$441c6e30$45035f0b$32...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
Are you stupid, dense or what? Gay people want JUSTICE from the country's
law makers, not necessarily personal acceptance from each and every
indivdual. Yes, I'm sure they would enjoy a good amount of acceptance but
people like you they don't want acceptance from. They just want to laugh at
you, put you down and watch you wiggle and squirm.
Denis Loubet
I felt like it.
--
Denis Loubet
dlo...@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Stan de SD
>
> "Stan de SD" <standesd_DI...@covad.net> wrote in message
> news:87894$441c67c1$45035f0b$31...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
> >
> > "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote in message
> > news:BaSdnZ9khdl...@io.com...
> >>
> >> "J Young" <youngo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:QsSdnXDEaY-...@giganews.com...
> >> > This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
> >> > citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
> >> > agenda.
> >> > Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not
wanted?
> >>
> >> Oh, the motherfucking IRONY, you shit-eating fuck!
> >>
> >> What's YOUR goddamn excuse for posting where you're clearly NOT FUCKING
> >> WANTED?
> >
> > Uh, what's yours?
>
> I felt like it.
Yawn.
Denis Loubet
You asked.
Jeff North
"Stan de SD" <standesd_DI...@covad.net>
<5274d$441c6e30$45035f0b$32...@msgid.meganewsservers.com> wrote:
>| "Jeff North" <jnor...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>| news:nbpm12ttc1t0nl63p...@4ax.com...
[snip]
>| > Here in alt.politics.homosexuality we get a lot of 'phobes using
>| > exactly the same terms/phrases as you have used. You might want to
>| > 'tone down' the language a bit (just a friendly suggestion).
>|
>| Why should he "tone down" his language for you? Where is it written that
>| everyone has to walk on eggshells to avoid offending hyper-sensitive homos?
>|
>| Fucking hypocrites. You want to rip on straight society all the time, yet
>| seek their acceptance at the same time. Can't have it both ways...
Hey fuckwit, I was talking *about* you, *NOT* to you.
Haven't you got some fences in Wyoming to mend in preparation for your
next 'event'?
Stan de SD
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:32:58 -0800, in alt.politics.homosexuality
> "Stan de SD" <standesd_DI...@covad.net>
> <5274d$441c6e30$45035f0b$32...@msgid.meganewsservers.com> wrote:
>
> >| "Jeff North" <jnor...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> >| news:nbpm12ttc1t0nl63p...@4ax.com...
>
> [snip]
>
> >| > Here in alt.politics.homosexuality we get a lot of 'phobes using
> >| > exactly the same terms/phrases as you have used. You might want to
> >| > 'tone down' the language a bit (just a friendly suggestion).
> >|
> >| Why should he "tone down" his language for you? Where is it written
that
> >| everyone has to walk on eggshells to avoid offending hyper-sensitive
homos?
> >|
> >| Fucking hypocrites. You want to rip on straight society all the time,
yet
> >| seek their acceptance at the same time. Can't have it both ways...
>
> Hey fuckwit, I was talking *about* you, *NOT* to you.
I'm taking about you - fucking hypocrite.
> Haven't you got some fences in Wyoming to mend in preparation for your
> next 'event'?
You're referring to Matthew Shepherd, your tweaker buddy whose story you
have twisted to push your lie of gay victimization, right?
====================================
Six years ago, on a cold October night on the outskirts of Laramie, Wyo.,
21-year-old gay college student Matthew Shepard was brutally beaten, tied to
a fence and left for dead. He was found 18 hours later and rushed to the
hospital, where he lingered on the edge of death for nearly five days before
succumbing to his injuries.
The story garnered national attention when the attack was characterized as a
hate crime. But Shepard's killers, in their first interview since their
convictions, tell "20/20's" Elizabeth Vargas that money and drugs motivated
their actions that night, not hatred of gays.
While Shepard lay unconscious in a hospital, the national press quickly
arrived in Laramie. Cal Rerucha, who prosecuted the case, told Vargas the
media descended on Laramie "like locusts."
"We knew in the newsroom the day it happened, this is going to be a huge
story, this is going to attract international interest," said Jason Marsden
of "The Casper Star-Tribune."
"I remember one of my fellow reporters saying, 'this kid is going to be the
new poster child for gay rights," he added. News of Shepard's death sparked
reaction overseas and demonstrations across America.
"I think a lot of gay people, when they first heard of that horrifying
event, felt sort of punched in the stomach. I mean it kind of encapsulated
all our fears of being victimized," said writer Andrew Sullivan, a prominent
gay rights advocate.
But as the push for gay rights found new force, so did a corresponding
backlash from anti-gay opponents who came from out of state to grab a piece
of the media spotlight.
Tensions were so high that Shepard's father wore a bulletproof vest under
his suit when he spoke at his son's funeral service.
"The saddest part of this whole case was at Matthew's funeral, when they,
these people, refused to let Matthew be buried with dignity," said Rerucha.
"I never saw people that could hate so much."
Killers Both Receive Two Consecutive Life Sentences
Local residents Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson, both 21 at the time,
were charged with Shepard's murder. Henderson's case came before the court
first. To avoid the possibility of receiving the death penalty, he pleaded
guilty to murder and kidnapping and received two consecutive life terms in
prison.
McKinney's case went to trial a year after Shepard's death. He was convicted
of felony murder, aggravated robbery and kidnapping. Before the jury was
about to decide his sentence, he, too, reached a deal that allowed him to
avoid a possible death penalty. Both men are serving double life sentences
in prison.
Authorities asked "20/20" not to disclose the prison location.
While McKinney and Henderson admit to killing Shepard, both men - and the
man who prosecuted the case - now say the real story is not what it seemed.
Many area residents were shocked that the crime was committed by two young
men from their community. But both McKinney and Henderson came from
classically troubled backgrounds.
Henderson was born to a teenage alcoholic and raised without a father. He
says he saw his mother being beaten up by a series of boyfriends, some of
whom also assaulted Henderson.
McKinney's childhood, too, was less than picture-perfect. His father, a
long-haul trucker, was rarely home and eventually divorced McKinney's
mother, a nurse who later died as a result of a botched surgery. McKinney
received a malpractice settlement of nearly $100,000 after his mother's
death. He says he spent most of that money on things like cars and drugs.
McKinney admits to Vargas that by the time he was 18 he had a serious
methamphetamine habit.
Shepard Haunted by Own Difficulties
Despite his strong family life, Shepard had troubles of his own. His mother,
Judy Shepard, says her son's problems had started three years earlier during
a high school trip to Morocco, where he was beaten and raped.
"It made him pull within himself. He became withdrawn, depression, panic
attacks," she said.
Some of Shepard's friends say he was still a troubled young man when he
enrolled at the University of Wyoming in the fall of 1998.
Tom O'Connor, known as "Doc," who ran a limousine service and sometimes
drove Shepard, said just days before Shepard's death, Matt told him he was
HIV-positive and was considering suicide.
One of Shepard's college friends, Tina LaBrie, was concerned that Shepard's
depression might be somehow connected to involvement with drugs. "He said
'Everywhere I move, it seems like I get sucked into the drug scene,'" LaBrie
told Vargas.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=277685&page=1
Andrealphus
at standesd_DI...@covad.net, typed this:
Yet, the testimony and evidence in court proved conclusively that it was a
hate crime.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
Jeff Caird
> Yet, the testimony and evidence in court proved conclusively that it was a
> hate crime.
Is there any crime done out of LOVE for the victim? All crime
is from hate...
Andrealphus
profes...@knox.edu, typed this:
> On 2006-03-19, Andrealphus <NOREAL...@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:>
>> Yet, the testimony and evidence in court proved conclusively that it
>> was a hate crime.
>
> Is there any crime done out of LOVE for the victim?
Yet another dufus that doesn't understand the focus of hate crime
legislation.
All crime
> is from hate...
Really? Who does a man with a starving family hate when he steals a loaf of
bread to feed his family? The baker?
IBen Getiner
Jude Alexander wrote:
> "J Young" <youngo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:QsSdnXDEaY-...@giganews.com...
> > This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
> > citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
> > agenda.
> > Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
>
> Would you have said the same thing about blacks if you had lived 50 years
> ago?
Yes. And I would have been right, too. Look at what the black has done,
now that we've let him into all facets of our society. Our children's
school and neighborhoods, our televisions and radios have all been
niggerized. They, along with their helpers, the white liberal, have
ruined the entire nation. Nigger filth like rap music, with it's
degradation towards women and it's ever-present hatred for law
enforcement, are underminding the columns upon which the first
Europeans built this great land.
No... We here in the South always knew what a nigger was and we tried
like HELL to keep him away from our children and our way of life. Now I
can't even go downtown for fear that one of them is going to kill me
for my fucking tennis shoes. Lazy, evil and vile people each and every
one.
We said it 'years ago' and we were right. You are the azzholes who are
wrong, and one look at society today proves that. Nigger loving SCUM.
IBen
Stan de SD
"Andrealphus" <NOREAL...@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:RX4Tf.6554$sL2....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
And the convicted defendants AND the prosecutor now admit that it was done
for drugs and money. Shepherd was a known tweaker who had actually partied
with one of the defendants at some time in the past.
Stan de SD
"Andrealphus" <NOREAL...@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
> In News 121pn8d...@corp.supernews.com,, Jeff Caird at
> profes...@knox.edu, typed this:
>
> > On 2006-03-19, Andrealphus <NOREAL...@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:>
> >> Yet, the testimony and evidence in court proved conclusively that it
> >> was a hate crime.
> >
> > Is there any crime done out of LOVE for the victim?
>
> Yet another dufus that doesn't understand the focus of hate crime
> legislation.
"Hate crimes" legislation is an attempt to give special status to members of
certain groups. Anyway, Matthew Shepherd was no hero or martyr - he was
simply another tweaker who hung with the wrong crowd.
newsguy
And who does a hermaphrodite legally marry if the only
legal marriage is one between a man and a woman?
Anyone they would marry would be the same sex, they
have both sexes.
Jeff North
"Stan de SD" <standesd_DI...@covad.net>
<2e033$441cce01$45035f0b$31...@msgid.meganewsservers.com> wrote:
>| "Jeff North" <jnor...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>| news:q7dp12tt7to15kqsf...@4ax.com...
>| > On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:32:58 -0800, in alt.politics.homosexuality
>| > "Stan de SD" <standesd_DI...@covad.net>
>| > <5274d$441c6e30$45035f0b$32...@msgid.meganewsservers.com> wrote:
>| >
>| > >| "Jeff North" <jnor...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>| > >| news:nbpm12ttc1t0nl63p...@4ax.com...
>| >
>| > [snip]
>| >
>| > >| > Here in alt.politics.homosexuality we get a lot of 'phobes using
>| > >| > exactly the same terms/phrases as you have used. You might want to
>| > >| > 'tone down' the language a bit (just a friendly suggestion).
>| > >|
>| > >| Why should he "tone down" his language for you? Where is it written
>| that
>| > >| everyone has to walk on eggshells to avoid offending hyper-sensitive
>| homos?
>| > >|
>| > >| Fucking hypocrites. You want to rip on straight society all the time,
>| yet
>| > >| seek their acceptance at the same time. Can't have it both ways...
>| >
>| > Hey fuckwit, I was talking *about* you, *NOT* to you.
>|
>| I'm taking about you - fucking hypocrite.
That's nice, dear. Now run along. Haven't you got some little girls to
molest?
>| > Haven't you got some fences in Wyoming to mend in preparation for your
>| > next 'event'?
>|
>| You're referring to Matthew Shepherd, your tweaker buddy whose story you
>| have twisted to push your lie of gay victimization, right?
>|
>| ====================================
[snip]
>| Tensions were so high that Shepard's father wore a bulletproof vest under
>| his suit when he spoke at his son's funeral service.
>|
>| "The saddest part of this whole case was at Matthew's funeral, when they,
>| these people, refused to let Matthew be buried with dignity," said Rerucha.
>| "I never saw people that could hate so much."
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=277685&page=3
Helping fuel the gay hate crime theory were statements made to police
and the media by Kristen Price, McKinney's girlfriend. (Price was
charged with felony accessory after-the-fact to first-degree murder.
She later pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of misdemeanor
interference with police officers.)
Price now says that at the time of the crime she thought things would
go easier for McKinney if his violence were seen as a panic reaction
to an unwanted gay sexual advance.
But today, Price tells Vargas the initial statements she made were not
true and tells Vargas that McKinney's motive was money and drugs. "I
don't think it was a hate crime at all. I never did," she said.
------------------------------------------
If she, Price, lied then why isn't she lying now?
She lied in the first place to make it easier for her boyfriend. It
didn't work.
Maybe she, Price, is lying now to help her boyfriend.
Andrealphus
at standesd_DI...@covad.net, typed this:
Irrelevant, since the testimony and the evidence in the court proved
conslusively that it was a hate crime. Oh, and the "partied with one of the
defendants at some time in the past" is a known lie. Is it so uncommon
that murderers get to prison and start yelling, "but we didn't do it!!"
LOL! Hell, even Henderson's girlfriend testified that he left the house
that day saying, "We're gonna off us a faggot!". Shepard's wallet was
found, still containing the blood soaked bills that added up to a whooping
$22.00 or so, which means that the money wasn't removed from him until after
the beating, which shows that the "robbery" aspect of the crime was an
afterthought, not the main movtive for the crime. You can blow on all you
want, but the testimony and the evidence proves you wrong.
Andrealphus
at standesd_DI...@covad.net, typed this:
> "Andrealphus" <NOREAL...@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
Bullshit.
L'Amazone
Stan de SD wrote:
> "Steve Knight" <wo...@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:4h9k125ad885i3cpo...@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:01:54 -0500, "J Young" <youngo...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
> > >citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
> agenda.
> > >Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not wanted?
> >
> > Oh... So you'd be 'sympathetic' towards gays if they didn't want to
> > be in a parade.
> >
> > MY GOD! How dare they say they exist to all the 'proper, good and
> > holy christians'! Bastards!
>
> As usual, the narcissistic militant homos, eager for attention during the
> week when they are not dressed in drag and singing "I will survive" on the
> weekends at the Blow Hole Tavern, seek to distort the issue in order to
> claim persecution. Nobody was giving you the "locker-room-woody" test to see
> if you were a homo before you marched in the parade. All they asked is that
> you not hijack it to push your wacko militant gay agenda, that's all.
I am femme, lipstick, polished and Lesbian. I wear designer clothing. I dine or
seek entertainment in upscale establishments that in all likelihood, you could
not afford and would be a poor fit in. Your sweeping and demeaning
generalization about g/L lifestyle is inaccurate. We do not have a wacko agenda,
just equal rights....
>
>
> And while we're at it, let me clear up a few more distortions you kooks make
> when you have to deal with people you disagree with:
>
> (1) This is a free country, but freedom works both ways. Your right to have
> sexual relations with other consenting adults of the same sex does not void
> my right to mock, criticize, and ridicule you as I see fit in a public
> forum.
Shall we return the favour?
>
> (2) Most people don't have issues with the fact that you're gay. They have
> issues with the fact that militant gays push their agenda at every
> opportunity to the point of being confrontational.
I cannot imagine being publically confrontational.I debate, I ediorialize. I
comment.
>
> (3) Dislike, disgust, and contempt for certain aspects of homosexual
> behavior is NOT a "phobia".
Tis ok. I find the idea of sex with a man nauseating.
>
> (4) Most homosexuals are hypocrites. They adapt left-wing, anti-American
> stances, and criticize Christians and Americans for imagined injustices, but
> say nothing about the abuses of homsexuals in the Muslim world.
You do not read gay and Lesbian political literature. We are constantly
protesting to both the US government and the UN about abuses of gays and
Lesbians in the Islamic world.
> <snip for space>
> (6) If you're so confident in your own minds that homosexuality is fine and
> dandy, why all the pressure to force others to endorse your point of view?
We only want equal rights, hate us all that you want to, but dont use that
hatred to block our rights to property, partnership, inheiritance, medical
consent, and benefit rights.
>
>
> Kindly let me know if there is anything else I can set you "straight" on
> (pun intended...) ;O)
Thanks no..
If you knew whereof you speak, perhaps. Your misconceptions and generalizations
about us, your lack of knowledge about the actual topics of activism convinces
me that you do not know, nor are you are interested in knowing, for it would
interfere with your prejudices.
--
Natalie Clifford Barney
Membre; L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
"If too little of the love I invoke appears in this book, it is because I have
better spent it elsewhere. Here there remain only fragments."
L'Amazone
Stan de SD wrote:
> "Martin" <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:441a0986$0$23294$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
> > Rob Duncan wrote:
> > > "L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
> > > news:4419F4F9...@20RueJacob.fr...
> > >>
> > >> J Young wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> This is the sort of 'in-your-face' confrontation that turns ordinary
> > >>> citizens, who might have otherwise been sympathetic, against the gay
> > >>> agenda.
> > >>> Why does anyone want to be somewhere where they clearly are not
> wanted?
> > >>>
> > >> I am Irish, from Ireland I work in NY State for the State, I am
> prominent
> > >> ,
> > >> published, and I cannot march in the St Pat's Parade...
> > >> I am a Lesbian
> > >
> > > So? Its not a gay pride parade or event. Its for St. Patricks day.
> Now
> > > dont get me wrong, I think lesbians are the smartest woman on earth.
> Why go
> > > for a guy, when a woman is available? It just doesnt make sense...
> > >
> > > But back to the point... people wanting to enjoy a St. Patricks day
> parade
> > > and celebration want, for the last thing on earth, to once again, be
> > > accosted by the homosexual agenda. Surely you can understand that...?
> >
> > Says Rob "Whats Rosa Parks have to do with fags wanting to suck shit of
> > another mans dick?"
> >
> > Why change your approach with a woman you sick fuck?
> >
> > It's a party, everyone has the right to take part if they want to,
>
> Not if you're not invited.
>
> > personally I find it sickening that everyone in the US starts crying
> > into their Guinness weeping over a homeland they haven't seen for the
> > past 100 years.
>
> I have seen plenty of Ireland (both the north and south) and I didn't even
> touch any Guiness (although I do like it). I wore orange and flew my flag
> with the big red hand on it... (:O)
You support Paisley?
L'Amazone
Stan de SD wrote:
> "L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
> news:441A4DD0...@20RueJacob.fr...
> >
> >
> > Rob Duncan wrote:
> >
> > > "Martin" <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:441a0986$0$23294$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
> > > > Rob Duncan wrote:
> > > >> "L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
> > > >> news:4419F4F9...@20RueJacob.fr...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> J Young wrote:
> > > Fine then. Good for you. But why does yet another celebration have to
> be
> > > turned into a homosexuality education seminar? Fuck em. Let em create
> and
> > > participate in their own events...
> >
> > First of all, in the Easter Rising, the beginning of the war for Irish
> > Independence, the leaders were:
> > Michael Connor: Gay male
> > Sir Roger Casement, Gya male
> > Patrik Pearse, the C in C of the Irish Volunteers, Gay Male
> > Constance Markewicz and her Lesbian Sister, Eva Booth-Gore
> > Maud Gonne, Lesbian
> >
> > The founder of modernism in design and archetecture was Eileen Gray, Irish
> > Lesbian
>
> Thanks for reminding me to wear orange next year...
Tis ok;
Casement was an orangeman, Eileaan Gray was orange too.....Mind you, both were
gay.....
L'Amazone
Stan de SD wrote:
> "L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
> news:441A4CC4...@20RueJacob.fr...
> >
> >
> > Rob Duncan wrote:
> >
> > > "L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
> > > news:4419F4F9...@20RueJacob.fr...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > J Young wrote:
> > > >
> > > rob
> > >
> > > Rob
> >
> > I am a published Irish academician;
>
> Try dressing like a leprechaun instead of a fairy next year, and see if they
> let you in... ;O)
>
>
I dress in clothing that in all reasonable probability, you could not afford.
Stylish and conservative.
I am in NYC a number of times a year to shop.
Stan de SD
"L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
You feel compelled to brag about as a crutch for your insecurity. My
"upscale neighborhood" as of late is Yurakucho where I munch yakitori and
drink beer in my favorite stand under the JR tracks, FWIW. In any case,
where you hang out doesn't make you special - what you do is...
> you could
> not afford and would be a poor fit in. Your sweeping and demeaning
> generalization about g/L lifestyle is inaccurate.
I make no "sweeping and demeaning generalization" of all gays and lesbians.
I merely point out the behavior of the militant queer kooks who crave
victimization and the political power it gives them, and point out their
excesses. The fact that you think my criticism of the kooks who populate
alt.politics.homosexuality is directed at all gays and lesbians is merely
narcissism and projection on your part.
> We do not have a wacko agenda,
Bullshit.
> just equal rights....
No, you want SPECIAL RIGHTS, like the right to redefine social institutions
such as marriage, and the ability to be free of criticism from others.
> > And while we're at it, let me clear up a few more distortions you kooks
make
> > when you have to deal with people you disagree with:
> >
> > (1) This is a free country, but freedom works both ways. Your right to
have
> > sexual relations with other consenting adults of the same sex does not
void
> > my right to mock, criticize, and ridicule you as I see fit in a public
> > forum.
>
> Shall we return the favour?
You can, but being that, to put it bluntly, you're not the normal ones
means that you won't get much traction from it.
> > (2) Most people don't have issues with the fact that you're gay. They
have
> > issues with the fact that militant gays push their agenda at every
> > opportunity to the point of being confrontational.
>
> I cannot imagine being publically confrontational.I debate, I ediorialize.
I
> comment.
You play the victim game like the rest of the militant queer crowd.
> > (3) Dislike, disgust, and contempt for certain aspects of homosexual
> > behavior is NOT a "phobia".
>
> Tis ok. I find the idea of sex with a man nauseating.
Which of course means you are abnormal, but if it makes you feel any better,
I find the idea of having sex with a man just as repulsive. :O|
> > (4) Most homosexuals are hypocrites. They adapt left-wing, anti-American
> > stances, and criticize Christians and Americans for imagined injustices,
but
> > say nothing about the abuses of homsexuals in the Muslim world.
>
> You do not read gay and Lesbian political literature. We are constantly
> protesting to both the US government and the UN about abuses of gays and
> Lesbians in the Islamic world.
Since when? All the militant kooks in the Bay Ara are so obsessed with being
more anti-Bush than anything else that they have become craven apologists
for Islam.
> > <snip for space>
> > (6) If you're so confident in your own minds that homosexuality is fine
and
> > dandy, why all the pressure to force others to endorse your point of
view?
>
> We only want equal rights, hate us all that you want to,
I don't "hate" gays, so stop spreading that lie, OK?
> but dont use that
> hatred to block our rights to property,
Who's blocking your property rights? Sources? Cites?
> partnership, inheiritance,
Who's blocking your rights to inherit money, or will it to others? Sources?
Cites?
> medical consent, and benefit rights.
Who's blocking your rights here? A slight clarification, however - there is
no right to DEMAND that others provide medical care or insurance for you...
> > Kindly let me know if there is anything else I can set you "straight" on
> > (pun intended...) ;O)
>
> Thanks no..
> If you knew whereof you speak, perhaps.
I know I hit the nail on the head...
> Your misconceptions and generalizations about us,
Sorry, sister, but YOU are the one guilty of the misconceptions and
generalization. You're still trying to play this game that anyone who
disagrees with you is a "hater" or is somehow depriving you of your rights.
That's a bunch of crap, and you're being called on it.
> your lack of knowledge about the actual topics of activism
I have plenty of knowledge about so-called "activism", having been exposed
to activist family members, friends, and neighbors as a kid growing up in
the SF Bay Area in the late 1960's and early 1970's, having written for an
"underground" high school paper in the 1970's, having graduated from Cal
Berkeley and followed the antics of the New Left for several decades now. As
far as I am concerned "activism" is the art of demanding that somebody ELSE
do something about your problems while taking the credit and flaunting a
(mistakenly assumed) attitude of moral superiority. IMHO activists rank
somewhere between lawyers and politicans for their honesty, and between
cockroaches and DMV employees for their usefulness and productivity.
> convinces me that you do not know, nor are you are interested in knowing,
for it would
> interfere with your prejudices.
You're the one with the prejudices, sister. You can't deal with the fact
that declaring yourself a "lesbian" doesn't make you immune from criticism,
and you're whining like a baby about it.
L'Amazone
Stan de SD wrote:
Wasn't it?
I am an activist, one of those whom you are attacking
>
>
> > We do not have a wacko agenda,
>
> Bullshit.
Charming turn of phrase...
>
>
> > just equal rights....
>
> No, you want SPECIAL RIGHTS, like the right to redefine social institutions
> such as marriage, and the ability to be free of criticism from others.
No, to extend them, jsut as once they were extended beyond the white race...
>
>
> > > And while we're at it, let me clear up a few more distortions you kooks
> make
> > > when you have to deal with people you disagree with:
> > >
> > > (1) This is a free country, but freedom works both ways. Your right to
> have
> > > sexual relations with other consenting adults of the same sex does not
> void
> > > my right to mock, criticize, and ridicule you as I see fit in a public
> > > forum.
> >
> > Shall we return the favour?
>
> You can, but being that, to put it bluntly, you're not the normal ones
> means that you won't get much traction from it.
You are in no position to say who is normal, I am afraid. In the circles that I
move in for my work and my recreation, you would be regarded, depending upon
where I am living at the moment, as a culchie or a boor.
>
>
> > > (2) Most people don't have issues with the fact that you're gay. They
> have
> > > issues with the fact that militant gays push their agenda at every
> > > opportunity to the point of being confrontational.
> >
> > I cannot imagine being publically confrontational.I debate, I ediorialize.
> I
> > comment.
>
> You play the victim game like the rest of the militant queer crowd.
Given that I have been victimzed by people with comparable enlightemnent and
love for those different as you possess, I have been a victim in the past. Now,
my dear, I am an agitator in the tradition of Richard Harding Davis or Ida
Tarbell
>
>
> > > (3) Dislike, disgust, and contempt for certain aspects of homosexual
> > > behavior is NOT a "phobia".
> >
> > Tis ok. I find the idea of sex with a man nauseating.
>
> Which of course means you are abnormal, but if it makes you feel any better,
> I find the idea of having sex with a man just as repulsive. :O|
wwell, we do finally have a common basis for dialogue...we both like women....in
fact, we may find the same kinds of women attractive, for all we know.....
>
>
> > > (4) Most homosexuals are hypocrites. They adapt left-wing, anti-American
> > > stances, and criticize Christians and Americans for imagined injustices,
> but
> > > say nothing about the abuses of homsexuals in the Muslim world.
> >
> > You do not read gay and Lesbian political literature. We are constantly
> > protesting to both the US government and the UN about abuses of gays and
> > Lesbians in the Islamic world.
>
> Since when? All the militant kooks in the Bay Ara are so obsessed with being
> more anti-Bush than anything else that they have become craven apologists
> for Islam.
As recently as yesterday, a condemnation of the Afghani warlords treatment of
gays and Lesbians, last week another condemnation of Saudi Arabia and Iran......
>
>
> > > <snip for space>
> > > (6) If you're so confident in your own minds that homosexuality is fine
> and
> > > dandy, why all the pressure to force others to endorse your point of
> view?
> >
> > We only want equal rights, hate us all that you want to,
>
> I don't "hate" gays, so stop spreading that lie, OK?
Fine. You like us.
>
>
> > but dont use that
> > hatred to block our rights to property,
>
> Who's blocking your property rights? Sources? Cites?
>
> > partnership, inheiritance,
>
> Who's blocking your rights to inherit money, or will it to others? Sources?
> Cites?
>
> > medical consent, and benefit rights.
>
> Who's blocking your rights here? A slight clarification, however - there is
> no right to DEMAND that others provide medical care or insurance for you...
>
> > > Kindly let me know if there is anything else I can set you "straight" on
> > > (pun intended...) ;O)
> >
> > Thanks no..
> > If you knew whereof you speak, perhaps.
I am speaking of rights between two same sex partners.
Inheritance is an issue
Ability to provide medical consent for a partner is an issue
vulnerability to death duties is an issue
shares benefits from employment is an issue
>
>
> I know I hit the nail on the head...
Afraid not.
>
>
> > Your misconceptions and generalizations about us,
>
> Sorry, sister, but YOU are the one guilty of the misconceptions and
> generalization. You're still trying to play this game that anyone who
> disagrees with you is a "hater" or is somehow depriving you of your rights.
> That's a bunch of crap, and you're being called on it.
I apologize. You are not a hater
You do advocate, however keeping us with fewer rights than a het couple. From my
vantage point , that is discriminatory
>
>
> > your lack of knowledge about the actual topics of activism
>
> I have plenty of knowledge about so-called "activism", having been exposed
> to activist family members, friends, and neighbors as a kid growing up in
> the SF Bay Area in the late 1960's and early 1970's, having written for an
> "underground" high school paper in the 1970's, having graduated from Cal
> Berkeley and followed the antics of the New Left for several decades now. As
> far as I am concerned "activism" is the art of demanding that somebody ELSE
> do something about your problems while taking the credit and flaunting a
> (mistakenly assumed) attitude of moral superiority. IMHO activists rank
> somewhere between lawyers and politicans for their honesty, and between
> cockroaches and DMV employees for their usefulness and productivity.
Most kind.
I was once married to someone like you, who soured on liberalsim and ended up
working for Dobson
>
>
> > convinces me that you do not know, nor are you are interested in knowing,
> for it would
> > interfere with your prejudices.
>
> You're the one with the prejudices, sister. You can't deal with the fact
> that declaring yourself a "lesbian" doesn't make you immune from criticism,
> and you're whining like a baby about it.
I am hardly whining Sir.
I am DEMANDING that it end.
Stan de SD
"L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
>
> > >
> > > I am femme, lipstick, polished and Lesbian. I wear designer clothing.
I
> > dine or
> > > seek entertainment in upscale establishments that in all likelihood,
> >
> > You feel compelled to brag about as a crutch for your insecurity. My
> > "upscale neighborhood" as of late is Yurakucho where I munch yakitori
and
> > drink beer in my favorite stand under the JR tracks, FWIW. In any case,
> > where you hang out doesn't make you special - what you do is...
No response there, I see...
> >
> > > you could
> > > not afford and would be a poor fit in. Your sweeping and demeaning
> > > generalization about g/L lifestyle is inaccurate.
> >
> > I make no "sweeping and demeaning generalization" of all gays and
lesbians.
> > I merely point out the behavior of the militant queer kooks who crave
> > victimization and the political power it gives them, and point out their
> > excesses. The fact that you think my criticism of the kooks who populate
> > alt.politics.homosexuality is directed at all gays and lesbians is
merely
> > narcissism and projection on your part.
>
> Wasn't it?
Sorry you still don't get it.
> I am an activist, one of those whom you are attacking
Activist means you don't have a real job, right? You just piss and moan and
demand special favors...
> > > We do not have a wacko agenda,
> >
> > Bullshit.
>
> Charming turn of phrase...
If the shoe fits, wear it.
> > > just equal rights....
> >
> > No, you want SPECIAL RIGHTS, like the right to redefine social
institutions
> > such as marriage, and the ability to be free of criticism from others.
>
> No, to extend them, jsut as once they were extended beyond the white
race...
Name one right that the "white race" has that you don't...
> > > > And while we're at it, let me clear up a few more distortions you
kooks
> > make
> > > > when you have to deal with people you disagree with:
> > > >
> > > > (1) This is a free country, but freedom works both ways. Your right
to
> > have
> > > > sexual relations with other consenting adults of the same sex does
not
> > void
> > > > my right to mock, criticize, and ridicule you as I see fit in a
public
> > > > forum.
> > >
> > > Shall we return the favour?
> >
> > You can, but being that, to put it bluntly, you're not the normal ones
> > means that you won't get much traction from it.
>
> You are in no position to say who is normal,
Yes I am, from both a biological AND a statistical perspective. Merely the
fact that you view not being normal as a pejorative is no reason to redefine
commonly accepted terms in the English language.
> move in for my work and my recreation, you would be regarded, depending
upon
> where I am living at the moment, as a culchie or a boor.
Ask if I give a rats-ass what a bunch of hyper-sensitive lefty kooks think
of me. You and your ilk are so far out on the margins that what you think
really doesn't matter in the mainstream world.
> > > > (2) Most people don't have issues with the fact that you're gay.
They
> > have
> > > > issues with the fact that militant gays push their agenda at every
> > > > opportunity to the point of being confrontational.
> > >
> > > I cannot imagine being publically confrontational.I debate, I
ediorialize.
> > I
> > > comment.
> >
> > You play the victim game like the rest of the militant queer crowd.
>
> Given that I have been victimzed by people with comparable enlightemnent
and
> love for those different as you possess, I have been a victim in the past.
Waa-aah. You and 5 billion other people on this planet.
Cut the martyr crap, OK? You're not being criticized because you are a
lesbian. You're being criticized because you're trying to push specious and
inconsistent arguments to advance your silly agenda. Get a clue...
> Now, my dear, I am an agitator
Nah, you're an agitator in the tradition of a half-century of whiny-whiny
welfare-state-feel-good-liberalism.
> > > > (3) Dislike, disgust, and contempt for certain aspects of homosexual
> > > > behavior is NOT a "phobia".
> > >
> > > Tis ok. I find the idea of sex with a man nauseating.
> >
> > Which of course means you are abnormal, but if it makes you feel any
better,
> > I find the idea of having sex with a man just as repulsive. :O|
>
> wwell, we do finally have a common basis for dialogue...we both like
women....in
> fact, we may find the same kinds of women attractive, for all we know.....
No, I like the smart ones, which sorta rules you out.
> > > > (4) Most homosexuals are hypocrites. They adapt left-wing,
anti-American
> > > > stances, and criticize Christians and Americans for imagined
injustices,
> > but
> > > > say nothing about the abuses of homsexuals in the Muslim world.
> > >
> > > You do not read gay and Lesbian political literature. We are
constantly
> > > protesting to both the US government and the UN about abuses of gays
and
> > > Lesbians in the Islamic world.
> >
> > Since when? All the militant kooks in the Bay Ara are so obsessed with
being
> > more anti-Bush than anything else that they have become craven
apologists
> > for Islam.
>
> As recently as yesterday, a condemnation of the Afghani warlords treatment
of
> gays and Lesbians, last week another condemnation of Saudi Arabia and
Iran......
When are you going to start protesting on the streets of Tehran? I'll take
you seriously when you do that much.
> > > > <snip for space>
> > > > (6) If you're so confident in your own minds that homosexuality is
fine
> > and
> > > > dandy, why all the pressure to force others to endorse your point of
> > view?
> > >
> > > We only want equal rights, hate us all that you want to,
> >
> > I don't "hate" gays, so stop spreading that lie, OK?
>
> Fine. You like us.
I don't "like" or "hate" people based on their sexual behavior. I form my
judgements on an individual basis.
> > > but dont use that
> > > hatred to block our rights to property,
> >
> > Who's blocking your property rights? Sources? Cites?
No answer, I see...
> >
> > > partnership, inheiritance,
> >
> > Who's blocking your rights to inherit money, or will it to others?
Sources?
> > Cites?
No answer, I see...
> > > medical consent, and benefit rights.
> >
> > Who's blocking your rights here? A slight clarification, however - there
is
> > no right to DEMAND that others provide medical care or insurance for
you...
No answer, I see...
> > > > Kindly let me know if there is anything else I can set you
"straight" on
> > > > (pun intended...) ;O)
> > >
> > > Thanks no..
> > > If you knew whereof you speak, perhaps.
>
> I am speaking of rights between two same sex partners.
Which are what?
> Inheritance is an issue
> Ability to provide medical consent for a partner is an issue
> vulnerability to death duties is an issue
> shares benefits from employment is an issue
You can't answer the questions - all you can do is blather in vague terms.
It's pretty clear you're bullshitting us...
> >
> > > Your misconceptions and generalizations about us,
> >
> > Sorry, sister, but YOU are the one guilty of the misconceptions and
> > generalization. You're still trying to play this game that anyone who
> > disagrees with you is a "hater" or is somehow depriving you of your
rights.
> > That's a bunch of crap, and you're being called on it.
>
> I apologize. You are not a hater
> You do advocate, however keeping us with fewer rights than a het couple.
Once again, show me the sources and cites....
> > > your lack of knowledge about the actual topics of activism
> >
> > I have plenty of knowledge about so-called "activism", having been
exposed
> > to activist family members, friends, and neighbors as a kid growing up
in
> > the SF Bay Area in the late 1960's and early 1970's, having written for
an
> > "underground" high school paper in the 1970's, having graduated from Cal
> > Berkeley and followed the antics of the New Left for several decades
now. As
> > far as I am concerned "activism" is the art of demanding that somebody
ELSE
> > do something about your problems while taking the credit and flaunting a
> > (mistakenly assumed) attitude of moral superiority. IMHO activists rank
> > somewhere between lawyers and politicans for their honesty, and between
> > cockroaches and DMV employees for their usefulness and productivity.
>
> Most kind.
> I was once married to someone like you, who soured on liberalsim and ended
up
> working for Dobson
I'm not a huge fan of Dobson, but he makes some reasonable points. Sounds
like your ex got smart...
> > > convinces me that you do not know, nor are you are interested in
knowing,
> > for it would
> > > interfere with your prejudices.
> >
> > You're the one with the prejudices, sister. You can't deal with the fact
> > that declaring yourself a "lesbian" doesn't make you immune from
criticism,
> > and you're whining like a baby about it.
>
> I am hardly whining Sir.
> I am DEMANDING that it end.
Demanding of who?
Bonnie Bitch
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Stan de SD"
<standesd_DI...@covad.net>
>No
This is not a cite from the current, mainstream, peer-reviewed,
scientific literature which supports your constant assertions that
there are ex-gays, and that becoming an ex-gay is not only possible
but also desirable.
Thank you for conceding the argument, Stain.
Bonnie Bitch
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Stan de SD"
<standesd_DI...@covad.net>
L'Amazone
Stan de SD wrote:
> "L'Amazone" <SalonH...@20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message
> news:441E3836...@20RueJacob.fr...
> >
> <snip useless dialogue>
>
Sorry Stan;
You edit to remove parts of my responses, then you claim no response. When you
can actually communicte rather than use the NKNC(naughty kooky neo con) playbook
for vapid cliches, then we might have a change to dialogue. As it is, you seem
to be auditioning for Focus on the Family press secretary