> > On Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:15:58 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:

> >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:06:27 -0700, SkyEyes wrote:

> >> > On Oct 24, 9:55 am, Robert Parker <robpar1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:45:16 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net>

> >> >> wrote:

> >> >> >On Oct 23, 1:58 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> >> >> >> 5. Romney is the GOP candidate for President. [He turned out

> >> >> >> to be

> >> >> >> the least nutty of the original starters: Ron Paul, Fred Karger,

> >> >> >> Newt

> >> >> >> Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Jon Huntsman (ironically, not

> >> >> >> nutty enough to appeal to the GOP!), Herman Cain, Tim Pawlenty,

> >> >> >> and

> >> >> >> the uber-kook, Michele Bachmann.]

> >> >> >Huntsman was the only one of the GOP presidential hopefuls that

> >> >> >didn't

> >> >> >scare the living shit out of me. He actually believes in

> >> >> >evolution

> >> >> >and climate change. In other words, he's sane. Which is

> >> >> >why the GOP

> >> >> >rejected him, of course.

> >> >> I can not see myself voting for anybody supported by the republican

> >> >> party.

> >> > That, unfortunately, is about the size of it.

> >> On the plus side, you don't have to worry about examining a candidate's

> >> stand on any issues.  A vote for any Republican candidate would be an

> >> endorsement of their national platform.  No, thanks.  Get back to me

> >> when

> >> the GOP is no longer being run by insane fucktards.

> >> --

> > Well, I'm a member of the GOP National Committee. I hear from them

> > regularly. When I vote, I consider the actual things they do in Congress,

> > as well as the party platform.

> > The things they say make alot more sense than the childish babble we get

> > from you.You fuckers are all hot for Obamacare. ROTFL. It doesn't take

> > effect until 2014, so you have no idea what it's really going to do at

> > all.The original law has been rewritten by Congress 3  times already to

> > reduce it's benefits because they needed money for other things.They are

> > still short of funds because of the recession and they may rewrite it

> > again.

> > So, what you're endorsing and defending is something you know nothing

> > about and you won't know for more than a year.

> > I call that STUPID.

> So, you never do anything you've never done before?

> > On Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:22:22 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:

> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:05:28 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

> >> > On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:11:51 PM UTC-7, Don Kresch wrote:

> >> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:55:18 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>

> >> >> scrawled in blood:

> >> >> >On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:24:59 -0700, linuxgal wrote:

> >> >> >> Christopher A. Lee wrote:

> >> >> >>> And the hypocrite has said his first action as President would be to

> >> >> >>> repeal Obamacare.

> >> >> >> That's what we're hiring him to do.  If we wanted Obamacare we would

> >> >> >> vote

> >> >> >> for Obama.

> >> >> >That's only one reason why I'm voting for Obama.  The health care

> >> >> >system

> >> >> >is badly broken, and needs fixing.

> >> >>    So more fascism is the answer? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

> >> > Personally, I don't want a health care "system". When you start talking

> >> > about a "system", you bring in nonessential personell, bureaucrats who

> >> > soak up our tax dollars and don't provide health care to anybody.

> >> That's exactly what the invention of HMOs accomplished: a new layer of

> >> bureaucracy, CEOs making multi-million dollar salaries, very little

> >> improvement in terms of cost containment, and more aggravation for doctors

> >> and patients.

> >> > All I need is a good physician who I can go to with my medical

> >> > problems.He can refer me to specialists for any care he does not provide

> >> > himself.

> >> > I need medical insurance that covers my doctor bills and prescriptions.

> >> > I don't need Wacky Baracky, the Kenyan Coyote, telling me how to

> >> > preserve my health.

> >> Having private, for profit medical insurance companies surely represents

> >> a conflict of interests.  Most every other civilized country in the world

> >> has already adopted a single payer system, with vastly improved

> >> cost/benefit ratios.  Our current model is *great* for those who can

> >> afford it, but costs too much, delivers too little, and is inaccessible

> >> for far too many.

> >> --

> > Let's cut the crap and get down to the nitty-gritty, eh?

> > You want me to be concerned about the health care of people I never met?

> Yes.  It's called "living in society".

> > Tell me this:What have they ever done to demonstrate concern for my welfare?

> Paid their taxes.  Taxes that helped pay for YOUR street you live on.  Helped

> pay for police to ensure YOU are safe.  Helped pay for fire departments that

> keep YOUR house from becoming a smoking pile of ash.  Help pay to educate

> either YOUR kids, or the kids of someone in your family.  Helped pay for water

> quality testing that makes sure YOUR drinking water isn't full of E. Coli.

> Helped pay for YOUR public sewer system so you're not literally living in a

> cesspool.  Helped pay for medical reasearch at universities that contributed

> towards YOUR health and welfare.  Etc.  I could go on, but you get the idea.

> > Would they spend a single penny or lift a finger to help me if I were in trouble?

> Absolutely.  Unlike you, they're civilized human beings who actually have some

> empathy for their fellow creatures.  You sit there crowing about the excellent

> VA medical care you get that's funded AT TAXPAYERS FUCKING EXPENSE, and then

> drone on about how no one would help you?  Are you fucking *stupid*?  Who,

> *exactly* do you think's paying for that VA care?  OTHER FUCKING PEOPLE.  And

> they probably, like me, pay their taxes happily, knowing all the frigging

> benefits they get from living in a civilized society where people can get a

> hand up if they need it.

> Grow the fuck up.

> --

>  __ _  | It has long been an axiom of mine that the little things

> (_ |_) | are infinitely the most important.

> __)|_) |   -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, "A Case of Identity"

> > On Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:06:57 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:

> >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:09:50 -0700, SkyEyes wrote:

> >> > On Oct 24, 4:51 pm, atandy...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:03:45 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:

> >> >> > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:11:32 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

> >> >> > > So you advocate the redistribution of wealth?

> >> >> > > Any money a man earns is HIS, not YOURS.He earned it with hard

> >> >> > > work,

> >> >> > > imagination and taking risks with his money.If you want money,

> >> >> > > get

> >> >> > > off

> >> >> > > your ass and go earn it yourself.That's better than picking the

> >> >> > > pockets of

> >> >> > > people who have made their own.Pickpockets are thieves.

> >> >> > He is able to earn HIS because he lives in a country where the

> >> >> > GOVERNMENT

> >> >> > provides things like law and order, roads, bridges, education,

> >> >> > breathable

> >> >> > air and water, safe food, safe housing, building codes, a

> >> >> > reasonably

> >> >> > educated and healthy workforce, interstate and international

> >> >> > commerce,

> >> >> > etc, etc, etc, etc.

> >> >> How does the government provide interstate and international

> >> >> commerce?????? Does it facilitate these by taxing the shit out of

> >> >> them?

> >> > For one thing, they set standard weights and measures.  That's why a

> >> > bushel of corn in Iowa is the same volume as a bushel of corn in

> >> > Illinois.

> >> >  That facilitates interstate and international commerce.

> >> Not to mention the interstate highways for interstate commerce, law

> >> enforcement to keep the trucks from being hijacked, and a fucking NAVY

> >> to

> >> protect international shipping. And yes, those services have a cost

> >> associated with them, which is covered by taxation.  Is atandy788 really

> >> this stupid, or is he just emulating his GOPper pals?

> > You are a devious little bastard, aren't you?I never denied the need for

> > the Navy or any of our armed forces.I served 6 years in the US Navy

> > myself. The issue was promoting commerce. The only threat to commerce at

> > sea are pirates like Blackbeard, and he died in the the 18th century.

> You need to work on your reading skills, Joe.  The issue was "providing

> for" commerce, not "promoting" commerce, though they are not too far

> apart.

> YOU are the one who claimed that "Any money a man earns is HIS, not

> YOURS."  Can your shriveled brain remember back that far?  I pointed out,

> just as Obama did, that any business thrives because the government

> provides an environment for it to do so.  I listed about a dozen services

> and resources that the government provides, ONE of which was "interstate

> and international commerce".  You, apparently posting as atandy788, asked

> for clarification of how the government provides interstate and

> international commerce, then asked if "taxing the shit out of them"

> facilitates this.  That's when I pointed out the need for a navy to

> protect international shipping.

> If you don't think that the Navy helps business, like perhaps oil

> companies, move their product around the world safely, I'd like to hear

> your attempt to rationalize your position.  I'm sure it will be amusing.

> If you think that piracy died in the 18th century, you need to check the

> news more often.  You may want to look up the name, Maersk Alabama, for

> one.

> BTW, thank you for your service to our country.  We have all benefited

> from the Navy's protection of shipping and US servicemen.  Even if you

> don't believe it is necessary.

> > Maybe you have seen him or Captain Blood in your dreams/delusions, you

> > slimy little motherfucker?Long John Silver was a fictional creation of

> > Robert Louis Stevenson, but you probably think he's out there on the

> > high seas attacking merchant ships.

> ?

> > Hijacking is a problem for law enforcement and I fully support that. I

> > even considered joining the FBI years ago. In case you think I am

> > anti-tax,you ought to know that I applied for jobs with the IRS and the

> > California Sales tax authority some years back.

> ??

> > I spent 14  years as an auditor for San Diego County, too.

> ???

> > How come you atheist morons can't stick to the issues under discussion?

> > Either you drop the need for relevance out of desperation of you are too

> > damn stupid to know what is relevant and what isn't.Which is it?

> ?????

> Are you having a seizure or something?  Your post is really bizarre, even

> for you.

> > Either you drop the need for relevance out of desperation of you are too

> > damn stupid to know what is relevant and what isn't.Which is it?

> --

> wrote:

> ]

> >>> How does the government provide interstate and international

> >>> commerce?????? Does it facilitate these by taxing the shit out of them?

> >> For one thing, they set standard weights and measures.  That's why a

> >> bushel of corn in Iowa is the same volume as a bushel of corn in Illinois.

> >>  That facilitates interstate and international commerce.

> >Not to mention the interstate highways for interstate commerce, law

> >enforcement to keep the trucks from being hijacked, and a fucking NAVY to

> >protect international shipping. And yes, those services have a cost

> >associated with them, which is covered by taxation.  Is atandy788 really

> >this stupid, or is he just emulating his GOPper pals?

> Yes.

>> Le 2012-10-23 19:11, Don Kresch
>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:55:18 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>>> scrawled in blood:

>>>> On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:24:59 -0700, linuxgal wrote:

>>>>> Christopher A. Lee wrote:

>>>>>> And the hypocrite has said his first action as President would be to
>>>>>> repeal Obamacare.

>>>>> That's what we're hiring him to do.  If we wanted Obamacare we would
>>>>> vote for Obama.

>>>> That's only one reason why I'm voting for Obama.  The health care
>>>> system is badly broken, and needs fixing.

>>>    So more fascism is the answer? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>(crying snipped)

>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:04:47 -0400, MarkA <some...@somewhere.invalid>
>> scrawled in blood:

>>>On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:11:32 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

>>>> So you advocate the redistribution of wealth?

>>>> Any money a man earns is HIS, not YOURS.He earned it with hard work,
>>>> imagination and taking risks with his money.If you want money, get off
>>>> your ass and go earn it yourself.That's better than picking the pockets
>>>> of people who have made their own.Pickpockets are thieves.

>>>He is able to earn HIS because he lives in a country where the GOVERNMENT
>>>provides

>>        Governments do not provide things. Further, should you believe
>> they really do, then so does the mafia. Would you like to live under mafia
>> control? No? Then you're a hypocrite, for government and mafia are pretty
>> much the same.

>Hi, Don!  You're right, there is absolutely no difference between a
>government of elected officials, and a cut-throat band of criminals.

>> On Oct 24, 4:51 pm, atandy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:03:45 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:
>>> > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:11:32 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

>>> > > So you advocate the redistribution of wealth?

>>> > > Any money a man earns is HIS, not YOURS.He earned it with hard work,

>>> > > imagination and taking risks with his money.If you want money, get
>>> > > off

>>> > > your ass and go earn it yourself.That's better than picking the
>>> > > pockets of

>>> > > people who have made their own.Pickpockets are thieves.

>>> > He is able to earn HIS because he lives in a country where the
>>> > GOVERNMENT

>>> > provides things like law and order, roads, bridges, education,
>>> > breathable

>>> > air and water, safe food, safe housing, building codes, a reasonably

>>> > educated and healthy workforce, interstate and international commerce,

>>> > etc, etc, etc, etc.

>>> How does the government provide interstate and international
>>> commerce?????? Does it facilitate these by taxing the shit out of them?

>> For one thing, they set standard weights and measures.  That's why a
>> bushel of corn in Iowa is the same volume as a bushel of corn in Illinois.
>>  That facilitates interstate and international commerce.

>Not to mention the interstate highways for interstate commerce, law
>enforcement to keep the trucks from being hijacked, and a fucking NAVY to
>protect international shipping. And yes, those services have a cost
>associated with them, which is covered by taxation.  Is atandy788 really
>this stupid, or is he just emulating his GOPper pals?

> scrawled in blood:

> >I agree that there's a lot we don't know about how Obamacare is going to

> >pan out, but we DO know that the current system is going from bad to

> >worse, and *something* needs to be done.

>    More government is NOT the solution. But that's what the

> unconstitutional law gives us: more government.

>> Joe Bruno <atandy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:22:22 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:05:28 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

>>>> > On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:11:51 PM UTC-7, Don Kresch wrote:

>>>> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:55:18 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>

>>>> >> scrawled in blood:

>>>> >> >On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:24:59 -0700, linuxgal wrote:

>>>> >> >> Christopher A. Lee wrote:

>>>> >> >>> And the hypocrite has said his first action as President would
>>>> >> >>> be to

>>>> >> >>> repeal Obamacare.

>>>> >> >> That's what we're hiring him to do.  If we wanted Obamacare we
>>>> >> >> would

>>>> >> >> vote

>>>> >> >> for Obama.

>>>> >> >That's only one reason why I'm voting for Obama.  The health care

>>>> >> >system

>>>> >> >is badly broken, and needs fixing.

>>>> >>    So more fascism is the answer? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>>> > Personally, I don't want a health care "system". When you start
>>>> > talking

>>>> > about a "system", you bring in nonessential personell, bureaucrats
>>>> > who

>>>> > soak up our tax dollars and don't provide health care to anybody.

>>>> That's exactly what the invention of HMOs accomplished: a new layer of

>>>> bureaucracy, CEOs making multi-million dollar salaries, very little

>>>> improvement in terms of cost containment, and more aggravation for
>>>> doctors

>>>> and patients.

>>>> > All I need is a good physician who I can go to with my medical

>>>> > problems.He can refer me to specialists for any care he does not
>>>> > provide

>>>> > himself.

>>>> > I need medical insurance that covers my doctor bills and
>>>> > prescriptions.

>>>> > I don't need Wacky Baracky, the Kenyan Coyote, telling me how to

>>>> > preserve my health.

>>>> Having private, for profit medical insurance companies surely
>>>> represents

>>>> a conflict of interests.  Most every other civilized country in the
>>>> world

>>>> has already adopted a single payer system, with vastly improved

>>>> cost/benefit ratios.  Our current model is *great* for those who can

>>>> afford it, but costs too much, delivers too little, and is inaccessible

>>>> for far too many.

>>>> --

>>> Let's cut the crap and get down to the nitty-gritty, eh? You want me to
>>> be concerned about the health care of people I never met?

>> Yes.  It's called "living in society".

>>> Tell me this:What have they ever done to demonstrate concern for my
>>> welfare?

>> Paid their taxes.  Taxes that helped pay for YOUR street you live on.
>> Helped pay for police to ensure YOU are safe.  Helped pay for fire
>> departments that keep YOUR house from becoming a smoking pile of ash.
>> Help pay to educate either YOUR kids, or the kids of someone in your
>> family.  Helped pay for water quality testing that makes sure YOUR
>> drinking water isn't full of E. Coli. Helped pay for YOUR public sewer
>> system so you're not literally living in a cesspool.  Helped pay for
>> medical reasearch at universities that contributed towards YOUR health and
>> welfare.  Etc.  I could go on, but you get the idea.

>>> Would they spend a single penny or lift a finger to help me if I were in
>>> trouble?

>> Absolutely.  Unlike you, they're civilized human beings who actually have
>> some empathy for their fellow creatures.  You sit there crowing about the
>> excellent VA medical care you get that's funded AT TAXPAYERS FUCKING
>> EXPENSE, and then drone on about how no one would help you?  Are you
>> fucking *stupid*?  Who, *exactly* do you think's paying for that VA care?
>> OTHER FUCKING PEOPLE.  And they probably, like me, pay their taxes
>> happily, knowing all the frigging benefits they get from living in a
>> civilized society where people can get a hand up if they need it.

>> Grow the fuck up.

> Actor Craig T Nelson, being interviewed by Glenn Beck: "I've been on food
> stamps and welfare; anybody help me out? No!"

> Please proceed, Governor!

>> > On Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:22:22 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:

>> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:05:28 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

>> >> > On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:11:51 PM UTC-7, Don Kresch wrote:

>> >> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:55:18 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>

>> >> >> scrawled in blood:

>> >> >> >On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:24:59 -0700, linuxgal wrote:

>> >> >> >> Christopher A. Lee wrote:

>> >> >> >>> And the hypocrite has said his first action as President would be to

>> >> >> >>> repeal Obamacare.

>> >> >> >> That's what we're hiring him to do.  If we wanted Obamacare we would

>> >> >> >> vote

>> >> >> >> for Obama.

>> >> >> >That's only one reason why I'm voting for Obama.  The health care

>> >> >> >system

>> >> >> >is badly broken, and needs fixing.

>> >> >>    So more fascism is the answer? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>> >> > Personally, I don't want a health care "system". When you start talking

>> >> > about a "system", you bring in nonessential personell, bureaucrats who

>> >> > soak up our tax dollars and don't provide health care to anybody.

>> >> That's exactly what the invention of HMOs accomplished: a new layer of

>> >> bureaucracy, CEOs making multi-million dollar salaries, very little

>> >> improvement in terms of cost containment, and more aggravation for doctors

>> >> and patients.

>> >> > All I need is a good physician who I can go to with my medical

>> >> > problems.He can refer me to specialists for any care he does not provide

>> >> > himself.

>> >> > I need medical insurance that covers my doctor bills and prescriptions.

>> >> > I don't need Wacky Baracky, the Kenyan Coyote, telling me how to

>> >> > preserve my health.

>> >> Having private, for profit medical insurance companies surely represents

>> >> a conflict of interests.  Most every other civilized country in the world

>> >> has already adopted a single payer system, with vastly improved

>> >> cost/benefit ratios.  Our current model is *great* for those who can

>> >> afford it, but costs too much, delivers too little, and is inaccessible

>> >> for far too many.

>> >> --

>> > Let's cut the crap and get down to the nitty-gritty, eh?

>> > You want me to be concerned about the health care of people I never met?

>> Yes.  It's called "living in society".

> I refuse.

>> Paid their taxes.

> They did that because they will go to jail if they don't.
> Read the penal provisions of the Internal Revenue Code.

> Go fuck your Mother.

>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:09:50 -0700, SkyEyes wrote:

>>> On Oct 24, 4:51 pm, atandy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:03:45 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:11:32 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

>>>>>> So you advocate the redistribution of wealth?

>>>>>> Any money a man earns is HIS, not YOURS.He earned it with hard work,

>>>>>> imagination and taking risks with his money.If you want money, get
>>>>>> off

>>>>>> your ass and go earn it yourself.That's better than picking the
>>>>>> pockets of

>>>>>> people who have made their own.Pickpockets are thieves.

>>>>> He is able to earn HIS because he lives in a country where the
>>>>> GOVERNMENT

>>>>> provides things like law and order, roads, bridges, education,
>>>>> breathable

>>>>> air and water, safe food, safe housing, building codes, a reasonably

>>>>> educated and healthy workforce, interstate and international commerce,

>>>>> etc, etc, etc, etc.

>>>> How does the government provide interstate and international
>>>> commerce?????? Does it facilitate these by taxing the shit out of them?

>>> For one thing, they set standard weights and measures.  That's why a
>>> bushel of corn in Iowa is the same volume as a bushel of corn in Illinois.
>>>   That facilitates interstate and international commerce.

>> Not to mention the interstate highways for interstate commerce, law
>> enforcement to keep the trucks from being hijacked, and a fucking NAVY to
>> protect international shipping. And yes, those services have a cost
>> associated with them, which is covered by taxation.  Is atandy788 really
>> this stupid, or is he just emulating his GOPper pals?

>    And yet none of that requires a government.

> > > On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:03:45 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:

> > > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:11:32 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

> > > > > So you advocate the redistribution of wealth?

> > > > > Any money a man earns is HIS, not YOURS.He earned it with hard work,

> > > > > imagination and taking risks with his money.If you want money, get off

> > > > > your ass and go earn it yourself.That's better than picking the pockets of

> > > > > people who have made their own.Pickpockets are thieves.

> > > > He is able to earn HIS because he lives in a country where the GOVERNMENT

> > > > provides things like law and order, roads, bridges, education, breathable

> > > > air and water, safe food, safe housing, building codes, a reasonably

> > > > educated and healthy workforce, interstate and international commerce,

> > > > etc, etc, etc, etc.

> > > How does the government provide interstate and international commerce??????

> > > Does it facilitate these by taxing the shit out of them?

> > For one thing, they set standard weights and measures.  That's why a

> > bushel of corn in Iowa is the same volume as a bushel of corn in

> > Illinois.  That facilitates interstate and international commerce.

> Actually, the standard weights and measures we use were developed in
> 18th century England.We abandoned the English monetary system, but kept the
> rest.

> > > On Oct 24, 4:51 pm, atandy...@gmail.com wrote:

> > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:03:45 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:

> > >> > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:11:32 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

> > >> > > So you advocate the redistribution of wealth?

> > >> > > Any money a man earns is HIS, not YOURS.He earned it with hard work,

> > >> > > imagination and taking risks with his money.If you want money, get

> > >> > > off

> > >> > > your ass and go earn it yourself.That's better than picking the

> > >> > > pockets of

> > >> > > people who have made their own.Pickpockets are thieves.

> > >> > He is able to earn HIS because he lives in a country where the

> > >> > GOVERNMENT

> > >> > provides things like law and order, roads, bridges, education,

> > >> > breathable

> > >> > air and water, safe food, safe housing, building codes, a reasonably

> > >> > educated and healthy workforce, interstate and international commerce,

> > >> > etc, etc, etc, etc.

> > >> How does the government provide interstate and international

> > >> commerce?????? Does it facilitate these by taxing the shit out of them?

> > > For one thing, they set standard weights and measures.  That's why a

> > > bushel of corn in Iowa is the same volume as a bushel of corn in Illinois.

> > >  That facilitates interstate and international commerce.

> > Not to mention the interstate highways for interstate commerce, law

> > enforcement to keep the trucks from being hijacked, and a fucking NAVY to

> > protect international shipping. And yes, those services have a cost

> > associated with them, which is covered by taxation.  Is atandy788 really

> > this stupid, or is he just emulating his GOPper pals?

> You are a devious little bastard, aren't you?I never denied the need for
> the Navy or any of our armed forces.I served 6 years in the US Navy myself.
> The issue was promoting commerce. The only threat to commerce at sea are
> pirates like Blackbeard, and he died in the the 18th century.

> Maybe you have seen him or Captain Blood in your dreams/delusions, you slimy little motherfucker?Long John Silver was a fictional creation of Robert Louis Stevenson, but you probably think he's out there on the high seas attacking
> merchant ships.

> >> > So you advocate the redistribution of wealth?

> >> > Any money a man earns is HIS, not YOURS.He earned it with hard work,

> >> > imagination and taking risks with his money.If you want money, get off

> >> > your ass and go earn it yourself.That's better than picking the
> >> > pockets of

> >> > people who have made their own.Pickpockets are thieves.

> >> He is able to earn HIS because he lives in a country where the
> >> GOVERNMENT

> >> provides things like law and order, roads, bridges, education,
> >> breathable

> >> air and water, safe food, safe housing, building codes, a reasonably

> >> educated and healthy workforce, interstate and international commerce,

> >> etc, etc, etc, etc.

> > How does the government provide interstate and international
> > commerce?????? Does it facilitate these by taxing the shit out of them?

> >> All those services have a COST to implement and maintain.  Since every

> >> business is profiting from those services, they are obliged to help pay

> >> for them.

> >http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/08/20/mitt-romney-paid...

> >> As the righttard GOPpers like to quote, "He didn't build that."  Except

> >> that they are so stupid, they think they are being sarcastic.

> > They are smart enough to obtain wealth and persuade the voters to give
> > them control of the House of Representatives.

> Oh, the GOP are the absolute masters of marketing.  The Dems could learn
> a LOT from them in that regard.  And, remember the words of H.L.Mencken:
> "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American
> public."

> > They gave the GOP that control
> > midway through Obama's term in office.They knew the GOP reps would not
> > give Obama any money.Do you see a message there?

> They also gave the GOP the boot at the end of GW's reign of idiocy.  Yes,
> I see a message here.  I'm not sure the GOPpers can crow about fiscal
> responsibility, when GW increased government spending more than any
> President in history.

> > > On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:11:51 PM UTC-7, Don Kresch wrote:

> > >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:55:18 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>

> > >> scrawled in blood:

> > >> >On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:24:59 -0700, linuxgal wrote:

> > >> >> Christopher A. Lee wrote:

> > >> >>> And the hypocrite has said his first action as President would be to

> > >> >>> repeal Obamacare.

> > >> >> That's what we're hiring him to do.  If we wanted Obamacare we would

> > >> >> vote

> > >> >> for Obama.

> > >> >That's only one reason why I'm voting for Obama.  The health care

> > >> >system

> > >> >is badly broken, and needs fixing.

> > >>   So more fascism is the answer? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

> > > Personally, I don't want a health care "system". When you start talking

> > > about a "system", you bring in nonessential personell, bureaucrats who

> > > soak up our tax dollars and don't provide health care to anybody.

> > That's exactly what the invention of HMOs accomplished: a new layer of

> > bureaucracy, CEOs making multi-million dollar salaries, very little

> > improvement in terms of cost containment, and more aggravation for doctors

> > and patients.

> > > All I need is a good physician who I can go to with my medical

> > > problems.He can refer me to specialists for any care he does not provide

> > > himself.

> > > I need medical insurance that covers my doctor bills and prescriptions.

> > > I don't need Wacky Baracky, the Kenyan Coyote, telling me how to

> > > preserve my health.

> > Having private, for profit medical insurance companies surely represents

> > a conflict of interests.  Most every other civilized country in the world

> > has already adopted a single payer system, with vastly improved

> > cost/benefit ratios.  Our current model is *great* for those who can

> > afford it, but costs too much, delivers too little, and is inaccessible

> > for far too many.

> > --

> Let's cut the crap and get down to the nitty-gritty, eh?
> You want me to be concerned about the health care of people I never met?

> Tell me this:What have they ever done to demonstrate concern for my welfare?

> > > > On Oct 24, 4:51 pm, atandy...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:03:45 AM UTC-7, MarkA wrote:

> > > >> > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:11:32 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

> > > >> > > So you advocate the redistribution of wealth?

> > > >> > > Any money a man earns is HIS, not YOURS.He earned it with hard
> > > >> > > work,

> > > >> > > imagination and taking risks with his money.If you want money, get

> > > >> > > off

> > > >> > > your ass and go earn it yourself.That's better than picking the

> > > >> > > pockets of

> > > >> > > people who have made their own.Pickpockets are thieves.

> > > >> > He is able to earn HIS because he lives in a country where the

> > > >> > GOVERNMENT

> > > >> > provides things like law and order, roads, bridges, education,

> > > >> > breathable

> > > >> > air and water, safe food, safe housing, building codes, a reasonably

> > > >> > educated and healthy workforce, interstate and international
> > > >> > commerce,

> > > >> > etc, etc, etc, etc.

> > > >> How does the government provide interstate and international

> > > >> commerce?????? Does it facilitate these by taxing the shit out of
> > > >> them?

> > > > For one thing, they set standard weights and measures.  That's why a

> > > > bushel of corn in Iowa is the same volume as a bushel of corn in
> > > > Illinois.

> > > >  That facilitates interstate and international commerce.

> > > Not to mention the interstate highways for interstate commerce, law

> > > enforcement to keep the trucks from being hijacked, and a fucking NAVY to

> > > protect international shipping. And yes, those services have a cost

> > > associated with them, which is covered by taxation.  Is atandy788 really

> > > this stupid, or is he just emulating his GOPper pals?

> > You are a devious little bastard, aren't you?I never denied the need for
> > the Navy or any of our armed forces.I served 6 years in the US Navy myself.
> > The issue was promoting commerce. The only threat to commerce at sea are
> > pirates like Blackbeard, and he died in the the 18th century.

> I see.  Haven't sailed off the Horn of Africa lately (meaning: in the
> last five years) have you?

> Oh, dear.  You never did hear of the Maersk Alabama and her
> redoubtable Captain Richard Phillips, who was held hostage by Somali
> pirates, did you?

>>Well, I voted for the man who brought in Obamacare, which, while not
>>perfect, may well one day save your ass when you discover you have a
>>major medical problem and Obamacare keeps your insurers from cutting
>>you off just when you need care the most.

>      It won't do that, despite what you've been brainwashed to
> believe.

>      Here's something to remember: just as the christians have no
> right to force their aesthetics upon us, you have no right to force
> others to pay for your healthcare.

> Yes.  The answer to God's question of Cain when Abel went absent is
> *YES*, you *are* your brother's keeper.

> Well, I voted for the man who brought in Obamacare, which, while not
> perfect, may well one day save your ass when you discover you have a
> major medical problem and Obamacare keeps your insurers from cutting
> you off just when you need care the most.

> Well, shit yes, I would; so would most people.  I've lived overseas,
> Joe/Art, and let me tell you something about Americans:  no one tops
> us when it comes to generosity and the impulse to help strangers in
> trouble.  I'm really proud to be an American because of that.

> The funny thing is, that giving compassion to others tends to earn it
> for yourself.

>>Well, I voted for the man who brought in Obamacare, which, while not
>>perfect, may well one day save your ass when you discover you have a
>>major medical problem and Obamacare keeps your insurers from cutting
>>you off just when you need care the most.

>        It won't do that, despite what you've been brainwashed to
> believe.

>        Here's something to remember: just as the christians have no
> right to force their aesthetics upon us, you have no right to force
> others to pay for your healthcare.

> I'm with you all the way.  I won't vote for ANY GOP politician, even ones
> in local races whom I know and like.  I wouldn't want my vote to be
> interpreted as an endorsement of the national GOP's platform.

>> I'm with you all the way.  I won't vote for ANY GOP politician, even
>> ones in local races whom I know and like.  I wouldn't want my vote to be
>> interpreted as an endorsement of the national GOP's platform.

> I see.  You vote straight D.  So you're just a fan, like a Dallas Cowboys
> supporter, hooray for Blue Team, boo for Red Team, with no intellectual
> basis for your position.