Budikka
Good articles. I always wondered what the ancients would think if they
came across a fossil. I wonder how many other 'mythical' beasts might be
traced back to fossil finds?
>
> Budikka
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> Good articles. I always wondered what the ancients would think
> if they came across a fossil.
Well they most certainly did come across fossils. There's no way
they couldn't. However, most would have been pieces... maybe a
whole bone... as a fully articulated skeleton would have been as
rare then as today.
> I wonder how many other 'mythical' beasts might be
> traced back to fossil finds?
Quite a few, I'm sure, but we'll never know exactly which ones. The
human mind does come with an imagination, and the ancients
lived in a world fille with magic.
Keep in mind: Quite a few of the ancient (and not so ancient)
depictions & descriptions of not-so-mythological animals are
a bit stylized... to say the least.
Here's a medieval elephant (love the fangs!):
http://bestiary.ca/beastimage/img139.jpg
I bet you never knew crocodiles had snakes growing out of
their sides:
http://www.uni-mannheim.de/mateo/desbillons/esop/seite377.html
But it's important to avoid the fundy mindset where everything
HAS TO be based on SOMETHING. humans can not only look
at something real and see (and describe) something else, but
they can make up things entirely.
Of course, and then there's the fact that mind altering drugs
aren't a new invention...
Chalk, for instance.
>they couldn't. However, most would have been pieces... maybe a
>whole bone... as a fully articulated skeleton would have been as
>rare then as today.
>
>> I wonder how many other 'mythical' beasts might be
>> traced back to fossil finds?
>
>Quite a few, I'm sure, but we'll never know exactly which ones. The
>human mind does come with an imagination, and the ancients
>lived in a world fille with magic.
>
>Keep in mind: Quite a few of the ancient (and not so ancient)
>depictions & descriptions of not-so-mythological animals are
>a bit stylized... to say the least.
>
>Here's a medieval elephant (love the fangs!):
>
>http://bestiary.ca/beastimage/img139.jpg
>
>I bet you never knew crocodiles had snakes growing out of
>their sides:
>
>http://www.uni-mannheim.de/mateo/desbillons/esop/seite377.html
>
>But it's important to avoid the fundy mindset where everything
>HAS TO be based on SOMETHING. humans can not only look
>at something real and see (and describe) something else, but
>they can make up things entirely.
>
>Of course, and then there's the fact that mind altering drugs
>aren't a new invention...
>
>
>
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The First Fossil Hunters: Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times.
(Paperback)
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The First Fossil Hunters: Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times.
(Paperback)
Fossil Legends of the First Americans (Hardcover)
http://www.amazon.com/Fossil-Legends-First-Americans-Adrienne/dp/0691113459/sr=1-1/qid=1169856670?ie=UTF8&s=books
I remember watching a documentary based on these - fun.
Pang - who has seen this many, many times
http://www.he.net/~altonweb/history/piasabird/
Thanks! I'll add these to my 'to buy' list.
>
> I remember watching a documentary based on these - fun.
Now that you mention it, I dimly remember seeing something like that
myself, although I can't recall many details.
>
> Pang - who has seen this many, many times
> http://www.he.net/~altonweb/history/piasabird/
I remember reading about that.
My hypothesis is it's Native American teenager graffiti. Darn kids!
LOL
I saw it the first time many years ago - before any restoration. If NA
teens did it all those years ago, I'd love to know just which mushrooms
they'd been eating - or weed they had been smoking!!
Pang
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:36:12 -0700, johac wrote:
> In article <1178848424.7...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Good articles. I always wondered what the ancients would think if they
> came across a fossil. I wonder how many other 'mythical' beasts might be
> traced back to fossil finds?
<creationist mode=on>
That can't be right. The Greeks couldn't possibly have found the fossils,
because the earth wasn't even created yet.
<creationist mode=off, snickering=on>
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>On 10 May 2007 23:10:28 -0700, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - Refer: <1178863827.9...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
>>johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Good articles. I always wondered what the ancients would think
>>> if they came across a fossil.
>>
>>Well they most certainly did come across fossils. There's no way
>
>Chalk, for instance.
And, since the White Cliffs of Dover were a good source of nodular
flint ...
"There'll be nodule flints over the White Cliffs of Dover..."
Nah, doesn't quite work.
No wonder it never became a neolithic chart topper.
I think I'll go take a knap.
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> [snips]
>
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:36:12 -0700, johac wrote:
>
> > In article <1178848424.7...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> > Good articles. I always wondered what the ancients would think if they
> > came across a fossil. I wonder how many other 'mythical' beasts might be
> > traced back to fossil finds?
>
> <creationist mode=on>
>
> That can't be right. The Greeks couldn't possibly have found the fossils,
> because the earth wasn't even created yet.
>
> <creationist mode=off, snickering=on>
<fundy mode on>
But of course those 'fossils' were planted there by Satan to deceive us!
<fundy mode off>
True. I wonder what the first European explorers thought. It must have
creeped them out. In the article you posted one of them was a priest. I
can just picture him frantically waving his cross and throwing holy
water at the painting while shouting "Begone Satan".
Too bad I didn't get to see it when I was living in the St. Louis area.
>
> Pang
It is only because of Catlick priests that we know as much as we do
about the south & central American Native writing systems.
Being essentially scholars at heart, one or two of them felt compelled
to transcribe as much as they could of the writing system, while the
writers were still alive.
Perhaps they felt guilty for slaughtering them in the name of their
stupid god?
>Too bad I didn't get to see it when I was living in the St. Louis area.
Sounds like a great start to a blues song, man!
>> Pang
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I thought of that. It wouldn't have been much of a drive.
Did you go to Cahokia Mounds? Neat - but I do prefer Chaco.
Pang
>On Fri, 11 May 2007 23:45:29 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
>wrote:
> - Refer: <r1ea43lg2dbm8hi91...@4ax.com>
>>On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:56:54 +0930, Michael Gray
>><mike...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10 May 2007 23:10:28 -0700, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> - Refer: <1178863827.9...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
>>>>johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good articles. I always wondered what the ancients would think
>>>>> if they came across a fossil.
>>>>
>>>>Well they most certainly did come across fossils. There's no way
>>>
>>>Chalk, for instance.
>>
>>And, since the White Cliffs of Dover were a good source of nodular
>>flint ...
>
>"There'll be nodule flints over the White Cliffs of Dover..."
>
>Nah, doesn't quite work.
>No wonder it never became a neolithic chart topper.
>I think I'll go take a knap.
Flake off, then.
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
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You've made your point!
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I did go to Cahokia. I think it's cool. The American Stonehenge. I've
never been to Chaco, but that's on my list of places I'd like to see
some day.
I suppose that in order to convert them they needed to know their
language and learn something about their mythology. Although their
motives were not the best, we do owe them for preserving some of these
languages.
Of course, in many places in Central and South America many of the old
languages are still spoken, and many of their religious ceremonies,
although they may have a Catholic veneer, are variations on the old
pagan rituals. Some of the old gods were even incorporated into the
Catlick pantheon of saints. For example, "The Virgin of Guadalupe" the
patron saint of Mexico is believed to be an alter ego of an Aztec
goddess, Tonantzin.
http://www.csicop.org/sb/2002-06/guadalupe.html
>
> Perhaps they felt guilty for slaughtering them in the name of their
> stupid god?
Most thought that they were 'saving their souls' by slaughtering them,
but a few, to their credit, protested to the Spanish government about
the treatment of the natives. They were for the most part ignored.
>
> >Too bad I didn't get to see it when I was living in the St. Louis area.
>
> Sounds like a great start to a blues song, man!
"I got those St Louis Piasa Bird blues...."
> --
>"There'll be nodule flints over the White Cliffs of Dover..."
>Nah, doesn't quite work.
>No wonder it never became a neolithic chart topper.
>I think I'll go take a knap.
Don't take any iron pyrites.
Arr! Them Iron Pirates be plenty tough, me bucco! Arrr!
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Shouldn't that have been: No wonder it never became a Neolithic *chert*
topper"?
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 07:03:08 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
>>> Shouldn't that have been: No wonder it never became a Neolithic *chert*
>>> topper"?
>>
>> You are a chip off the old block, son!
>
> Of quartz I am.
Another of these horrid pun threads? We're in deep schist.
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> [snips]
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 07:03:08 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
>
>>>> Shouldn't that have been: No wonder it never became a Neolithic
>>>> *chert* topper"?
>>>
>>> You are a chip off the old block, son!
>>
>> Of quartz I am.
>
> Another of these horrid pun threads? We're in deep schist.
A dolomite make 'em stop. I don't think they'll settle for loess.
> Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ob8nh4-...@spanky.localhost.net:
>
> > [snips]
> >
> > On Mon, 14 May 2007 07:03:08 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
> >
> >>>> Shouldn't that have been: No wonder it never became a Neolithic
> >>>> *chert* topper"?
> >>>
> >>> You are a chip off the old block, son!
> >>
> >> Of quartz I am.
> >
> > Another of these horrid pun threads? We're in deep schist.
>
> A dolomite make 'em stop. I don't think they'll settle for loess.
I shale not answer that.
My sediments exactly.
You're all slated for pun ishment. And, don't take
my threat for granite!
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> "johac" <jhac...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:jhachmann-0041B...@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <Xns9930EA0CB1E...@216.77.188.18>,
> > Doc Smartass <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:ob8nh4-...@spanky.localhost.net:
> >>
> >> > [snips]
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 14 May 2007 07:03:08 -0500, Harry F. Leopold wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>>> Shouldn't that have been: No wonder it never became a Neolithic
> >> >>>> *chert* topper"?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You are a chip off the old block, son!
> >> >>
> >> >> Of quartz I am.
> >> >
> >> > Another of these horrid pun threads? We're in deep schist.
> >>
> >> A dolomite make 'em stop. I don't think they'll settle for loess.
> >
> > I shale not answer that.
>
> You're all slated for pun ishment. And, don't take
> my threat for granite!
I'll be chondrite.
I'll have to use a little more Tact-tonite.
You've lost your marbles!
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OK no more bad puns. Olivine you alone.
We'll start another thread with a clean slate, eh?
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We are in a similar vein.
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Ore something like it.
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My sediments exactly.
I see that you have crystallized your thoughts on the matter.
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Geode whizz! You may be right.
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A bit like a straw-man: an Isaac Hayes man.
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Hayes I believe did the score for the movie "Shaft" but where does the
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>
> --
:
>> >Careful or you'll get the shaft.
>>
>> A bit like a straw-man: an Isaac Hayes man.
>> (Can ya dig it?)
>
>Hayes I believe did the score for the movie "Shaft"
One point to our lovely contestant!
>but where does the
>straw-man come in?
Hayes - Hays - Hay - Straw.
Can ya dig it?
That's one point away, I'm sorry, leaving you with no score.
Our clear winner for the evening is the sponsor, ACME brand Puns.
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> On Sat, 19 May 2007 16:17:57 -0700, johac
> <jhac...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> - Refer: <jhachmann-0C216...@news.giganews.com>
> >In article <ojct43hkfh0so6fvo...@4ax.com>,
> > Michael Gray <mike...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 18 May 2007 23:59:24 -0700, johac
> >> <jhac...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> - Refer: <jhachmann-63633...@news.giganews.com>
>
> :
>
> >> >Careful or you'll get the shaft.
> >>
> >> A bit like a straw-man: an Isaac Hayes man.
> >> (Can ya dig it?)
> >
> >Hayes I believe did the score for the movie "Shaft"
>
> One point to our lovely contestant!
>
> >but where does the
> >straw-man come in?
>
> Hayes - Hays - Hay - Straw.
> Can ya dig it?
>
> That's one point away, I'm sorry, leaving you with no score.
> Our clear winner for the evening is the sponsor, ACME brand Puns.
>
After my lousy puns, I deserved that.
I have some empathy for Robyn Williams when he was "doing" coke.
Only he will "get" the reference, I expect.
Don't feel the need to laugh out of feigned embarrassment at not
getting the joke please. ;)
(Even I don't get it)
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Maybe that's the problem. I need to get 'high' on something.
>
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Just don't do "Jesus", OK?
It's nasty stuff.
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We have witnessed countless cautionary tales here for it to be mere
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The mind-drugs that are derivatives of the base Abrahamic formula are
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them outright, under severe penalties for trafficking.
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I haven't seen the statistics, but I'm sure that more people have died
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>
> --
I'll get the EAC Department of Fake Statistics onto it right away.
They say that they get 101% of their jobs completed on schedule.
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That was only 75% on schedule, but, on the other hand, half of the time
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When were *you* transferred to that department?
How come no-one informs me of staff displacements any more?
And that's another thing: Where did I put my cup of tea?
I had it just a second ago, and now it's not there.
Oh, there it is. In the 'fridge.
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Don't ask me. My job is so secret, even I don't know what I'm doing.
> And that's another thing: Where did I put my cup of tea?
> I had it just a second ago, and now it's not there.
The gremlins stole it.
>
>
>
> Oh, there it is. In the 'fridge.
Those are Eskimo gremlins.
>On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:47:15 +0930, Michael Gray
><mike...@newsguy.com> wrote:
[]
>>>> >My sediments exactly.
>>>>
>>>> I see that you have crystallized your thoughts on the matter.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Geode whizz! You may be right.
>>
>>Take your pick, or take mine.
>
>How to confuse a xtian miner: Stand three shovels in a row, and tell
>him to take his pick.
Exactly! :D
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