WTC plane bombs
Kalle Helenius
I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
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Kalle Helenius <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote in message
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> Sickening stuff.
>
> I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
Oh, and how is that missile shield system gonna protect the US from
this?
Rune Børsjø
<kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>Oh, and how is that missile shield system gonna protect the US from
>this?
It's not! My fucking god! I hope those religious nutters get hell to pay over
this!!! I know americans are shocked... but Norway is standing still. There are
no one on the streets, people are watching TV at home or work.
Our thoughts and hearts are with you...
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"Kalle Helenius" <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote in message
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>
> I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
Shock might describe my current state I can't even express the sorrow I
feel for all of those who've died
DarkAngel
> Sickening stuff.
>
> I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
Pardon my lack of access to up-to-the-minute newscasts but...
wtf happened?
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wrote:
>Shock might describe my current state I can't even express the sorrow I
>feel for all of those who've died
My thoughts are with all of you... my hands are shaking and it's hard to type. A
friend of mine in the Israeli army just went offline, he got orders to report to
base, they may be planning occupation of Gaza, West Bank etc. to prevent any
terrorism attacks in Israel.
Rune Børsjø
>wtf happened?
-Airplane hits world trade center
-Second airplane hits 18 minutes later
-Pentagon hit
-Palestinians claim responsiblity
-Israli army called in, to shut off Palestininan areas
-Capitol hill hit by carbomb
-World trade center north tower collapses
-South tower collapses
Fred Stone
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:04:05 +0300, "Kalle Helenius"
> <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>
> >Oh, and how is that missile shield system gonna protect the US from
> >this?
>
> It's not! My fucking god! I hope those religious nutters get hell to pay over
> this!!! I know americans are shocked... but Norway is standing still. There are
> no one on the streets, people are watching TV at home or work.
>
> Our thoughts and hearts are with you...
Thank you.
The news is going berserk over here.
All I can say is whoever did it better hope we don't find out where
they are. This is going to be ugly.
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Fred Stone
> Kalle Helenius wrote:
>
> > Sickening stuff.
> >
> > I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> > partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>
> Pardon my lack of access to up-to-the-minute newscasts but...
>
> wtf happened?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010911/aponline093304_000.htm
Two planes crashed into the World Trade Center towers in New York,
and one more near the Pentagon in Washington.
Uncle Sam may be slow, but this will not go unavenged.
Rune Børsjø
>Thank you.
>The news is going berserk over here.
>All I can say is whoever did it better hope we don't find out where
>they are. This is going to be ugly.
Indeed... I don't know what to say, I'm just relaying the news.
American airspace cut off: American fighters will shoot down any aircraft
attempting to enter american airspace
Possibly three explosions in Washington, one in Pennsylvania, two in New York
Two aircraft are hijacked over US airspace
Mayor of New York has ordered evacuation of Manhattan
Fred Stone
> Sickening stuff.
>
> I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
I just saw the news clips of the one plane hitting the tower,
and of the two towers collapsing. This is going to make
Oklahoma City look like a picnic. If there's not 50,000 dead,
I'm a Christian.
My mind is in total shock here. All I can think of is total rage.
This isn't Israel here folks. We're not a little embattled fortress
surrounded by enemies, dependant on handouts for our defense.
We're Big Bad Fucking Yankee Industrial Behemoth, and we're
going to put on the stompin' boots. We will scorch the land these
vipers slither over, we'll sow salt over their mass graves
after they quit glowing in the dark.
All I have is incoherent rage to vent. Thanks for listening.
Therion Ware
<NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:48 GMT, DarkAngel <drkan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>wtf happened?
>
>-Airplane hits world trade center
>-Second airplane hits 18 minutes later
>-Pentagon hit
>-Palestinians claim responsiblity
Has that claim been substantiated? It was discounted on the BBC.
The Plasmatron
Same here. I note that the palistinians have claimed responsibility,
but then again they *always* do that. This may backfire on them. After
something like this we may go to war if neccessary to wipe out these
terrorist groups.
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Rune Børsjø
wrote:
>Has that claim been substantiated? It was discounted on the BBC.
I hope so, for their sakes. Otherwise bye bye, Arab world.
Pat Kiewicz
>
>
>Kalle Helenius <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote in message
>news:3b9e1717$0$24...@ams2eusosrv31.ams.ops.eu.uu.net...
>> Sickening stuff.
>>
>> I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
>> partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>
>Oh, and how is that missile shield system gonna protect the US from
>this?
It won't. Which is why it has been -- will always be -- a waste of money.
I hope it is dead, dead, DEAD.
(Bush's disengagement from the 'situation' in the middle east is
unforgivable.)
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Rune Børsjø
<kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
I know it's petty to think of money now... but still, I think it's important.
Oil prices up 3.5% in the last hour
Gold: up 6%
TradeSurplus
> Same here. I note that the palistinians have claimed responsibility,
Where did you hear this? CNN says they denied responsibility. According to
CNN, Taliban will hold a news conference soon.
Pat Kiewicz
>
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:48 GMT, DarkAngel <drkan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>wtf happened?
>
>-Airplane hits world trade center
>-Second airplane hits 18 minutes later
>-Pentagon hit
>-Palestinians claim responsiblity
Heard this on the BBC; dubious (but believable).
Osama bin Laudin suspected.
>-Israli army called in, to shut off Palestininan areas
>-Capitol hill hit by carbomb
This was reported in error (though it was widely reported).
>-World trade center north tower collapses
>-South tower collapses
Hijacked plane crash near Camp David.
Plane crash in NW Pennsylvania.
Reported that Sept 11 is the anniversary of the Camp David Accord.
Air traffic halted in USA. Federal buildings evacuated in many areas.
Prominant landmark buildings closed and/or evacuated in many areas
(locally, the Renaissance Center/GM HQ in Detroit).
Pat Kiewicz
>I just saw the news clips of the one plane hitting the tower,
>and of the two towers collapsing. This is going to make
>Oklahoma City look like a picnic. If there's not 50,000 dead,
>I'm a Christian.
A lot of people managed to evacuate the Trade Center toward the river.
But it will still be very, very bad. (Interview with trade center
worker a few floors below crash site in tower 1).
Pat Kiewicz
>
>Rune Børsjø said...
>>
>>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:48 GMT, DarkAngel <drkan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>wtf happened?
>>
>>-Airplane hits world trade center
>>-Second airplane hits 18 minutes later
>>-Pentagon hit
>>-Palestinians claim responsiblity
>
>Heard this on the BBC; dubious (but believable).
>
>Osama bin Laudin suspected.
>
>>-Israli army called in, to shut off Palestininan areas
>>-Capitol hill hit by carbomb
>
>This was reported in error (though it was widely reported).
>
>>-World trade center north tower collapses
>>-South tower collapses
>
>Hijacked plane crash near Camp David.
>Plane crash in NW Pennsylvania.
>
>Reported that Sept 11 is the anniversary of the Camp David Accord.
>
>Air traffic halted in USA. Federal buildings evacuated in many areas.
>Prominant landmark buildings closed and/or evacuated in many areas
>(locally, the Renaissance Center/GM HQ in Detroit).
Updated locally: Ren Cen not officially closed, but employees are being
allowed to go home. Ford HQ closing for the day.
Fred Stone
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:49:06 +0300, "Kalle Helenius"
> <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>
> I know it's petty to think of money now... but still, I think it's important.
>
> Oil prices up 3.5% in the last hour
> Gold: up 6%
Standard wartime reaction. And trust me, this means war.
War to the knife.
Kilmir
"Pat Kiewicz" <kie...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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> Rune Børsjø said...
> >
> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:48 GMT, DarkAngel <drkan...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> >>wtf happened?
> >
> >-Airplane hits world trade center
> >-Second airplane hits 18 minutes later
> >-Pentagon hit
> >-Palestinians claim responsiblity
>
> Heard this on the BBC; dubious (but believable).
>
> Osama bin Laudin suspected.
Osama planned a 12-plane-crash attack on the USA a few years ago. Maybe he
found a way to execute his plan?
Kilmir
Rune Børsjø
>>-Palestinians claim responsiblity
>
>Heard this on the BBC; dubious (but believable).
Reuters says the same thing to CNN now.
>Osama bin Laudin suspected.
Afghan regime has called press conferance, most likely to deny envolvement.
>This was reported in error (though it was widely reported).
Yep.
>Hijacked plane crash near Camp David.
>Plane crash in NW Pennsylvania.
>
>Reported that Sept 11 is the anniversary of the Camp David Accord.
>
>Air traffic halted in USA. Federal buildings evacuated in many areas.
>Prominant landmark buildings closed and/or evacuated in many areas
>(locally, the Renaissance Center/GM HQ in Detroit).
-Europe cancels all flight to the US. NATO headquarters in Brussels evacuated.
-Plainclothed agents are on the roofs of several buildings in Washington, with
rocket launchers.
-US threatens to shoot down planes entering US airspace.
-Fighters are scrambled over major US cities
Just heard... Palestinians say DFLP (or something like that, this norwegian guy
is mumbling) says they had nothing to do with it.,
The Plasmatron
Another post in this thread, from Rune. His newsstation may have been
mistaken. I know that the Taliban has denied having anything to do with
this, but he doesn't speak for all palistinians.
Michael Derousselle
<kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>Sickening stuff.
>
>I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
>partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
There are loonies here in Houston on the radio talk about how this is
a sign of the "END TIMES". Good grief, what morons.
Michael Derousselle
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(OSes listed in order of stability)
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And then I realized there was no God and I had no sins"
Pat Kiewicz
>
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:24:45 GMT, kie...@mediaone.net (Pat Kiewicz) wrote:
>
>>>-Palestinians claim responsiblity
>>
>>Heard this on the BBC; dubious (but believable).
>
>Reuters says the same thing to CNN now.
>
>>Osama bin Laudin suspected.
>
>Afghan regime has called press conferance, most likely to deny envolvement.
>
>>This was reported in error (though it was widely reported).
>
>Yep.
>
>>Hijacked plane crash near Camp David.
>>Plane crash in NW Pennsylvania.
>>
>>Reported that Sept 11 is the anniversary of the Camp David Accord.
>>
>>Air traffic halted in USA. Federal buildings evacuated in many areas.
>>Prominant landmark buildings closed and/or evacuated in many areas
>>(locally, the Renaissance Center/GM HQ in Detroit).
>
>-Europe cancels all flight to the US. NATO headquarters in Brussels evacuated.
>-Plainclothed agents are on the roofs of several buildings in Washington, with
>rocket launchers.
>-US threatens to shoot down planes entering US airspace.
>-Fighters are scrambled over major US cities
>
>Just heard... Palestinians say DFLP (or something like that, this norwegian
>guy is mumbling) says they had nothing to do with it.,
These are the people that the BBC reported had called a television station
in Abu Dabi to claim responsibility.
Tunnel from Detroit to Canada is closed, bridge to Canada closed to all
but 'essential traffic' and people are being warned that if they are out
of the country, they may not be let back in. (I assume that similar
events are happening elsewhere at US borders.)
I don't think things will "get back to normal" ever.
I don't care how justified the Palestinian/Arab anger with Israel (and
by extension, the US) is, they have totally fucked themselves if they
are connected with this.
I have Palestinian-American friends. And Detroit has a large Arab community.
Locally, this could get ugly very soon.
Rune Børsjø
wrote:
>There are loonies here in Houston on the radio talk about how this is
>a sign of the "END TIMES". Good grief, what morons.
In many ways I'm more scared of that... that large masses of people will panic
because they believe this to be in conneciton.
Therion Ware
<fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:
>"Rune Børsjø" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:49:06 +0300, "Kalle Helenius"
>> <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>>
>> I know it's petty to think of money now... but still, I think it's important.
>>
>> Oil prices up 3.5% in the last hour
>> Gold: up 6%
>
>Standard wartime reaction. And trust me, this means war.
>War to the knife.
We've just all been sent home from an office in central london, and
these backup tapes weigh a ton...
See you later.
Bob Simmons
you can change stations.
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Derousselle<mi...@derousselle.org> did eloquently compose:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:49:06 +0300, "Kalle Helenius"
> <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>
> >Sickening stuff.
> >
> >I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> >partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>
> There are loonies here in Houston on the radio talk about how this is
> a sign of the "END TIMES". Good grief, what morons.
I bet $1 that within 24 hours this will be found in Nostradamus'
prophesies.
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:54:13 -0500 Michael
> Derousselle<mi...@derousselle.org> did eloquently compose:
>
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:49:06 +0300, "Kalle Helenius"
> > <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
> >
> > >Sickening stuff.
> > >
> > >I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> > >partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
> >
> > There are loonies here in Houston on the radio talk about how this is
> > a sign of the "END TIMES". Good grief, what morons.
>
> I bet $1 that within 24 hours this will be found in Nostradamus'
> prophesies.
Bah, JONAH already claims he predicted it.
Orhan Orgun
<kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>Sickening stuff.
>
>I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
>partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
That's right; it does look like a characteristically Muslim M.O. You
know many Muslim bozos believe they go straight to heaven if they die
in a Holy War. There is therefore little doubt in my mind that what
happened this morning would have been extremely unlikely if religion
hadn't been behind it.
__________________________________________
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Rune Børsjø
>Bah, JONAH already claims he predicted it.
Is that the guy with the whale?
Orhan Orgun
plasmatron@godis*bullshit*dead.com wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:18:13 -0400 TradeSurplus <trades...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The Plasmatron wrote in message <9nl9hp$fjn$1...@coward.ks.cc.utah.edu>...
>>> Same here. I note that the palistinians have claimed responsibility,
>
>
>> Where did you hear this? CNN says they denied responsibility. According to
>> CNN, Taliban will hold a news conference soon.
>
> Another post in this thread, from Rune. His newsstation may have been
>mistaken. I know that the Taliban has denied having anything to do with
>this, but he doesn't speak for all palistinians.
Arafat condemned it; he always does that of course.
Kalle Helenius
>
> Kalle Helenius <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote in message
> news:3b9e1717$0$24...@ams2eusosrv31.ams.ops.eu.uu.net...
> >
> > I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at
least
> > partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit
assholes.
>
from
> this?
I wrote these two posts when the reports were that 6 people were
dead, and hundreds injured.
Now i'm just speechless.
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>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:48 GMT, DarkAngel <drkan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>wtf happened?
>
>-Airplane hits world trade center
>-Second airplane hits 18 minutes later
>-Pentagon hit
>-Palestinians claim responsiblity
>-Israli army called in, to shut off Palestininan areas
>-Capitol hill hit by carbomb
>-World trade center north tower collapses
>-South tower collapses
Just remembered. NYSE also closed
Orhan Orgun
wrote:
>Fred Stone said...
>
>>I just saw the news clips of the one plane hitting the tower,
>>and of the two towers collapsing. This is going to make
>>Oklahoma City look like a picnic. If there's not 50,000 dead,
>>I'm a Christian.
>
It happened at 8:45. I don't want to think how many more could have
been killed if they were just half an hour later...
>A lot of people managed to evacuate the Trade Center toward the river.
>But it will still be very, very bad. (Interview with trade center
>worker a few floors below crash site in tower 1).
__________________________________________
Orhan Orgun
<NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:48 GMT, DarkAngel <drkan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>wtf happened?
>
>-Airplane hits world trade center
>-Second airplane hits 18 minutes later
>-Pentagon hit
>-Palestinians claim responsiblity
>-Israli army called in, to shut off Palestininan areas
>-Capitol hill hit by carbomb
>-World trade center north tower collapses
>-South tower collapses
All tunnels and bridges going into NYC closed.
CDC evacuated.
All Israeli missions worldwide evacuated.
NATO HQ in Brussels evacuated.
chib
<ladyl...@ableweb.net> wrote:
> "Kalle Helenius" <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote in message
> news:3b9e1717$0$24...@ams2eusosrv31.ams.ops.eu.uu.net...
> > Sickening stuff.
> >
> > I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> > partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>
>
> Shock might describe my current state I can't even express the sorrow I
> feel for all of those who've died
20,000 plus. May go up.
They're cheering in the streets in Afghanistan.
I think I'm gonna be sick.
-chib
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<orhanb...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>Sickening stuff.
>>
>>I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
>>partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>
>
>That's right; it does look like a characteristically Muslim M.O. You
>know many Muslim bozos believe they go straight to heaven if they die
>in a Holy War. There is therefore little doubt in my mind that what
>happened this morning would have been extremely unlikely if religion
>hadn't been behind it.
Nothing is more sickening than watching the maen, women and children I just saw
on the news dancing and cheering in the streets.
I understand, as much as I can, the anti-americanism that is prevalent all over
the world. Hell, it's practically fashionable in some places. But I can never
understand cheering because thousands of people have been killed. People who
were simply trying to get from one end of their own country to another on an
airplane. What kind of thrill can you get from their deaths?
People going to work. Yeah! We want them dead.
I just don't understand how anyone can look so happy over such devastation.
I wonder how high the terrorism body count has to get before there is a
response.
ClaySkye
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>
> Two planes crashed into the World Trade Center towers in New York,
> and one more near the Pentagon in Washington.
>
> Uncle Sam may be slow, but this will not go unavenged.
That's the problem. Instead of looking for justice - which
goes both ways - people want vengeance. I thought the world
had learned from the IRA and the British that this mentality
was the problem. Obviously not.
(This is not meant as a personal attack, but let's face it:
until one side is willing to look for a peaceful solution,
there won't be one found while both sides are willing to
kill each other.)
Bob Dog
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Kalle Helenius
"Orhan Orgun" <orhanb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:38:10 GMT, Rune Børsjø
> <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:48 GMT, DarkAngel
<drkan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>wtf happened?
> >
> >-Airplane hits world trade center
> >-Second airplane hits 18 minutes later
> >-Pentagon hit
> >-Palestinians claim responsiblity
> >-Israli army called in, to shut off Palestininan areas
> >-Capitol hill hit by carbomb
> >-World trade center north tower collapses
> >-South tower collapses
>
>
> Just remembered. NYSE also closed
No shit! Wall street is practically right under the WTC! It'll
be days before they dig it out.
My co-worker was on manhattan when it happened. He's alright, he
called us when the lower manhattan got evacuated.
Rune Børsjø
<Kalle.H...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>I wrote these two posts when the reports were that 6 people were
>dead, and hundreds injured.
>
>Now i'm just speechless.
I think that was the WTC bombing in 1993. 6 dead, roughly 1000 injured. The
death toll here (by all accounts, 2 jumbos, 2 smaller jets + a building where at
least 50.000 work), is definately in the early thousands.
FaithHH1
<orhanb...@hotmail.com> writes:
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:27:52 GMT, kie...@mediaone.net (Pat Kiewicz)
>wrote:
>
>>Fred Stone said...
>>
>>>I just saw the news clips of the one plane hitting the tower,
>>>and of the two towers collapsing. This is going to make
>>>Oklahoma City look like a picnic. If there's not 50,000 dead,
>>>I'm a Christian.
>>
>
>It happened at 8:45. I don't want to think how many more could have
>been killed if they were just half an hour later...
That's exactly what I was thinking. It's almost fortunate that it wasn't
later, as much as you can use that word in such a case. It reminds me of
reports of an earthquake here a few years back. Much more devastation would
have happened had it been an hour later.
>>A lot of people managed to evacuate the Trade Center toward the river.
>>But it will still be very, very bad. (Interview with trade center
>>worker a few floors below crash site in tower 1).
I was watching a woman who has now been through TWO of these bombings in the
WTC. I can't even imagine. She reports that the evacuation was calm. Imagine
the numbness of having been through this twice.
Robert Templeton
> "Rune Børsjø" wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:04:05 +0300, "Kalle Helenius"
> > <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
> >
> > >Oh, and how is that missile shield system gonna protect the US from
> > >this?
> >
over
> > this!!! I know americans are shocked... but Norway is standing still.
There are
> > no one on the streets, people are watching TV at home or work.
> >
> > Our thoughts and hearts are with you...
>
> Thank you.
> The news is going berserk over here.
> All I can say is whoever did it better hope we don't find out where
> they are. This is going to be ugly.
This is an act of war. Plain and simple. If we donot respond with some
sort of devastating retaliation, we might as well hand them the controls to
our ICBM network, place our heads between our legs, and kiss our collective
asses goodbye.
I agree that this is a harsh and like reaction, but what can one propose
that would eliminate this threat or worse ones in the future? My sister and
her family just visited me last week. That could've been them in one of
those hijacked suicide planes.
My sympathies and condolensces go out to all of those injured, killed, or
know them.
Robert Templeton
citizen of the United States of America
Human Being (unlike those who perpetrated this act)
Rune Børsjø
wrote:
>This is an act of war. Plain and simple. If we donot respond with some
>sort of devastating retaliation, we might as well hand them the controls to
>our ICBM network, place our heads between our legs, and kiss our collective
>asses goodbye.
I somehow doubt that. Besides... you can't start killing people because you
"think" they might be behind it. Hell, there are like 2 billion suspects.
Revenge is not the main motivation for retaliation in such a case either.
Preventing them from ever doing it again has to be key.
Bob Dog
>
> I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
It won't be the Palestinians: this is the anniversary of the
Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty, and it's in their interest
to keep it.
The culprit will most likely be those who oppose the treaty,
such as Osama Bin Laden, who works out of Afghanistan, a
country the US is still sending financial support to.
I wonder what it will take for the US to admit supporting
the Shah of Iran was a mistake. Recall that fundy Islam
got its start in Iran, where the brutal dictatorship of the
Shah left religious lunacy as the only opposition. The
Islamic terrorists of today are the illegitimate sons of
Ayatollah Khomeini.
Robert Templeton
"Bob Dog" <bg1...@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:4fa573de.01091...@posting.google.com...
But there is a limit. Look at the amazing progress in the
Israeli/Palestinian problems. Fifty years of contempt, terrorism, war,
strife, and hatred. They have tried cease fires and peace so many times,
that I laugh when I hear about another attempt.
When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, that was a declaration of war. When
a group or government bombs the governmental and financial institutions of a
country, that is also a declaration of war.
There is enough of a surplus of humans on this planet to justify the
elimination of a few million zealous barbarians. Just remember that they
initiated this atrocity.
Robert Templeton
Kalle Helenius
> On 11 Sep 2001 15:46:35 GMT, (The Plasmatron)
> plasmatron@godis*bullshit*dead.com wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:18:13 -0400 TradeSurplus
<trades...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> The Plasmatron wrote in message
<9nl9hp$fjn$1...@coward.ks.cc.utah.edu>...
> >>> Same here. I note that the palistinians have claimed
responsibility,
> >
> >
> >> Where did you hear this? CNN says they denied
responsibility. According to
> >> CNN, Taliban will hold a news conference soon.
> >
> > Another post in this thread, from Rune. His newsstation
may have been
> >mistaken. I know that the Taliban has denied having anything
to do with
> >this, but he doesn't speak for all palistinians.
>
>
> Arafat condemned it; he always does that of course.
PFLP, Taleban ambassador to Pakistan, Arafat and the leader of
Hamas have all "condemned" the attack. Palestinians are dancing
on the streets. Afghanistan is partying. Methinks i will get
into muslim-bashing in the very near future.
If the major terrorist groups are not eliminated (and i mean
fucking *eliminated*) now, regardless of cost, and regardless of
whether they were responsible for this particular attack, this
won't be the last of it's kind. Remember when plane hijacking
first came "fashionable"? Everybody and their uncle got in on
it, until it was shown that it wasn't worth it.
I know one thing though. I wouldn't want to be named Muhammed
tonight in NY...
Kalle Helenius
"Rune Børsjø" <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:r4gsptgje0st122q6...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:39:49 GMT, "Kalle Helenius"
> <Kalle.H...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>
> >I wrote these two posts when the reports were that 6 people
were
> >dead, and hundreds injured.
> >
> >Now i'm just speechless.
>
> I think that was the WTC bombing in 1993. 6 dead, roughly 1000
injured. The
> death toll here (by all accounts, 2 jumbos, 2 smaller jets + a
building where at
> least 50.000 work), is definately in the early thousands.
I know, i was working from the very first reports. 50000 workers
in the twin towers, and 150000 tourist visitors on average per
day.
I don't really mind (yes i fucking do) the attack on pentagon,
there might be some justification for that, as it is a military
installation, but the WTC?
If these bastards insist on living in the stone-age, let's bomb
them there.
Robert Templeton
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:50:59 GMT, "Robert Templeton"
<tem...@vplayground.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This is an act of war. Plain and simple. If we donot respond with some
> >sort of devastating retaliation, we might as well hand them the controls
to
> >our ICBM network, place our heads between our legs, and kiss our
collective
> >asses goodbye.
>
> I somehow doubt that. Besides... you can't start killing people because
you
> "think" they might be behind it. Hell, there are like 2 billion suspects.
>
> Revenge is not the main motivation for retaliation in such a case either.
> Preventing them from ever doing it again has to be key.
I'm certain that they culprits will be discovered. Only several terrorist
groups are even capable of an attack of this level.
What sort of prevention would you suggest? Close our borders to all
immigration and emigration? Have strip searches and full baggage searches
for all flights? Discontinue traffic in and out of the United States?
Diligence in curtailing these events would be costly in freedom, trade,
finances, time, and many other facets of the operation of our country.
Revenge is not the reason I suggest. I suggest retaliation in order to
remove the scurge that allows this behavior to continue. Yes, there are
others out there, but allowing them to continue unimpeded is just to allow
for the next larger attack to occur.
The loss of life in these attacks alone justifies (yes, justifies)
retaliatory action against the proper responsible party.
Robert Templeton
Kalle Helenius
"Kalle Helenius" <Kalle.H...@907.aldata.fi> wrote in message
news:pwrn7.280$n41....@read2.inet.fi...
And now Bush is calling for prayer on tv.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK!
Dr. Smartass (was Fury)
Kalle Helenius <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote in message
news:3b9e1717$0$24...@ams2eusosrv31.ams.ops.eu.uu.net...
> Sickening stuff.
>
> I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
That's a sucker bet...
Absolutely pathetic, that humans can still be so arrogant in their religion
that they feel justified in terrorism :(
Dr. Smartass (was Fury)
>
> Kalle Helenius <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote in message
> news:3b9e1717$0$24...@ams2eusosrv31.ams.ops.eu.uu.net...
> > Sickening stuff.
> >
> > I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> > partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>
> this?
The "missile defense" thing isn't really intended to work. It's something the
government is using to keep the defense industry alive (Prez'dent Junior has
some senior advisors, for example--both are in high-up administrative
positions over the Air Force and Navy...and both of these men are high up in
the corporate structure at the two biggest defense companies--one supplies
planes and weapons for the Navy, the other for the Air Force.
Just business as usual.
>
> --
> All theists are otophobics, centophobics,
> eleutherophobics, and some are even
> sinistral. Amazing people.
> AA# 907, BAAWA!
>
>
>
chib
<NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:50:59 GMT, "Robert Templeton" <tem...@vplayground.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This is an act of war. Plain and simple. If we donot respond with some
> >sort of devastating retaliation, we might as well hand them the controls to
> >our ICBM network, place our heads between our legs, and kiss our collective
> >asses goodbye.
>
> I somehow doubt that. Besides... you can't start killing people because you
> "think" they might be behind it. Hell, there are like 2 billion suspects.
>
> Revenge is not the main motivation for retaliation in such a case either.
> Preventing them from ever doing it again has to be key.
Additionally, it would be wise to express caution about who's behind
this. Remember, the first reports out of Oklahoma City speculated that
Arab terrorists were responsible, when it was our dear departed friend
Tim McVeigh (& Co).
There are groups in the United States who are capable of and have the
desire to cripple the government. It could be one of our own.
Dr. Smartass (was Fury)
Rune Børsjø <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >this?
>
over
> this!!! I know americans are shocked... but Norway is standing still. There
are
> no one on the streets, people are watching TV at home or work.
>
> Our thoughts and hearts are with you...
Thanks.
Shit :(
Dr. Smartass (was Fury)
Robert Templeton <tem...@vplayground.com> wrote in message
news:Thrn7.283964$NK1.26...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
> "Fred Stone" <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message
> news:3B9E2399...@earthlink.net...
> > "Rune Børsjø" wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:04:05 +0300, "Kalle Helenius"
> > > <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Oh, and how is that missile shield system gonna protect the US from
> > > >this?
> > >
> > > It's not! My fucking god! I hope those religious nutters get hell to pay
> over
> > > this!!! I know americans are shocked... but Norway is standing still.
> There are
> > > no one on the streets, people are watching TV at home or work.
> > >
> > > Our thoughts and hearts are with you...
> >
> > Thank you.
> > The news is going berserk over here.
> > All I can say is whoever did it better hope we don't find out where
> > they are. This is going to be ugly.
>
> This is an act of war. Plain and simple. If we donot respond with some
> sort of devastating retaliation, we might as well hand them the controls to
> our ICBM network, place our heads between our legs, and kiss our collective
> asses goodbye.
I was happy when I got out of the military in '92...I had no intention of
fighting George Bush I's war...
...right now, if they decided to pull me out of "retirement" I'd be there.
>
> I agree that this is a harsh and like reaction, but what can one propose
> that would eliminate this threat or worse ones in the future? My sister and
> her family just visited me last week. That could've been them in one of
> those hijacked suicide planes.
>
> My sympathies and condolensces go out to all of those injured, killed, or
> know them.
Ditto.
Kalle Helenius
Phonelines from most of Europe to the US are cut off.
Fred Stone
Amen. This is a direct act of war on the US. We have all the justification
we could ever want to go to military action against the perps and any
accessories who shelter them.
If we back up, if we give the least sign of weakness after this, we
might just as well invite Osama Bin Laden over to take control
of the government because that'll be the only way to keep him from
trashing us, one city at a time.
Japan once attacked us in such a cowardly fashion. They lived
to regret it. So will these scum, wherever and whoever they are.
--
Fred Stone
aa # 1369
EAC Microbiologist - Saccharomyces Division
BAAWA Brewmaster
Fred Stone
> On 11 Sep 2001 15:46:35 GMT, (The Plasmatron)
> plasmatron@godis*bullshit*dead.com wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:18:13 -0400 TradeSurplus <trades...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> The Plasmatron wrote in message <9nl9hp$fjn$1...@coward.ks.cc.utah.edu>...
> >>> Same here. I note that the palistinians have claimed responsibility,
> >
> >
> >> Where did you hear this? CNN says they denied responsibility. According to
> >> CNN, Taliban will hold a news conference soon.
> >
> > Another post in this thread, from Rune. His newsstation may have been
> >mistaken. I know that the Taliban has denied having anything to do with
> >this, but he doesn't speak for all palistinians.
>
> Arafat condemned it; he always does that of course.
Some Taleban raghead was on to deny it as well.
The Plasmatron
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:39:49 GMT, "Kalle Helenius"
> <Kalle.H...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>>I wrote these two posts when the reports were that 6 people were
>>dead, and hundreds injured.
>>
>>Now i'm just speechless.
> I think that was the WTC bombing in 1993. 6 dead, roughly 1000 injured. The
> death toll here (by all accounts, 2 jumbos, 2 smaller jets + a building where at
> least 50.000 work), is definately in the early thousands.
> --
Just heard on the TV it's confirmed that 10,000 are dead
minimum. Keep in mind they only had a few minutes on one building and
less than half an hour on the other to evacuate 25,000 in each
building. If the death count is less than 25,000 people I may start
beliving in deities again.
--
The Invisible Pink Unicorn made it all....
Fluffy Orange Bunny got run over for our sins!
-The prophet Clayton Forno
The Left Reverend Plasm...@godisdead.com
Atheist Number Fifteen Score and Seventeen
BAAWA school of subtlety graduate
Fred Stone
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:34:14 -0400, Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:
>
> >Bah, JONAH already claims he predicted it.
>
> Is that the guy with the whale?
The one who always posts in third person.
Think he's posessed by the spirit of Jonah of the whale.
Fred Stone
I saw that clip, and it made me want an AK47 so bad.
Put a couple clips into that crowd and see if they still want to dance...
patrick.brown
news:tu8spto3nhvb8c03p...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:38:10 GMT, Rune Børsjø
> <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:48 GMT, DarkAngel <drkan...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> >>wtf happened?
> >
> >-Airplane hits world trade center
> >-Second airplane hits 18 minutes later
> >-Pentagon hit
> >-Palestinians claim responsiblity
>
Somebody claimed responsibility on behalf of a Palestinian splinter group.
That group's HQ has issued a denial.
Patrick
Kalle Helenius
Hospitals in NY are overwhelmed.
I hate this feeling.
Rune Børsjø
wrote:
>What sort of prevention would you suggest? Close our borders to all
>immigration and emigration? Have strip searches and full baggage searches
>for all flights? Discontinue traffic in and out of the United States?
>Diligence in curtailing these events would be costly in freedom, trade,
>finances, time, and many other facets of the operation of our country.
Bomb the crap out of the Taleban military. They won't be able to hold power.
Move in UN troops and establish a temporary government to ensure essential
services to the population, rebuild the infrastructure.
Encourage freedom, democracy and peace in the middle east and africa in *any*
way we can, even if by military intervention in the name of humane ethics and
the human rights accords, which have in fact been declared universal.
Costly, yes, but nothing compared to the ammount of resources we have
available.. Worth it? Definately, both in human cost, and in the long run.
>Revenge is not the reason I suggest. I suggest retaliation in order to
>remove the scurge that allows this behavior to continue. Yes, there are
>others out there, but allowing them to continue unimpeded is just to allow
>for the next larger attack to occur.
Agreed. Immediate retaliation against the groups capable, planning, and which
have carried out these attacks, is a priority.
>The loss of life in these attacks alone justifies (yes, justifies)
>retaliatory action against the proper responsible party.
I don't like *any* situation where people are hurt. But certain people, and
groups of people, are *beyond* help.
Dr. Smartass (was Fury)
Pat Kiewicz <kie...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:Y3qn7.38228$ya.4...@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net...
> Fred Stone said...
>
> >I just saw the news clips of the one plane hitting the tower,
> >and of the two towers collapsing. This is going to make
> >Oklahoma City look like a picnic. If there's not 50,000 dead,
> >I'm a Christian.
>
> But it will still be very, very bad. (Interview with trade center
> worker a few floors below crash site in tower 1).
CNN just showed a long shot from Jersey City, looking across the Upper Bay,
over the Statue of Liberty. The entire tip of Long Island was nothing but
smoke.
The Plasmatron
> Robert Templeton
If we don't do something to, quite frankly, make an EXAMPLE of EVERY
country who's government harbors and keeps safe terrorists then this will
happen again and get WORSE.
Fuck revenge. This will be just as bad, but if don't make an example
of these monsters then it will be taken as an indication that doing this
is OK and we will get more.
This time is too far.
Rune Børsjø
<Kalle.H...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>And now Bush is calling for prayer on tv.
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know... in such cases it's forgiveable. I had tears in my eyes,
personally. I think all he said he was something like "May god help us all"
Rune Børsjø
wrote:
> Just heard on the TV it's confirmed that 10,000 are dead
>minimum. Keep in mind they only had a few minutes on one building and
>less than half an hour on the other to evacuate 25,000 in each
>building. If the death count is less than 25,000 people I may start
>beliving in deities again.
I'm stunned. Give me a cross. I want to be a christian. I want to believe it
can't be that high........ god damn....
patrick.brown
news:20010911124527...@nso-mq.news.cs.com...
I hate to be insensitive at a time like this, but Arabs see America as the
enemy who drops bombs on them. The Gulf War and its quiet continuation has
killed a lot of civilians. I can understand people in that position being
glad that America have had a taste of "their own medicine".
*However*, you can't take revenge *for* innocent civilians *on* innocent
civilians. I just wish we could get out of the mentality that sees civilians
as merely the possessions of our enemy and not as human beings with lives.
Please don't respond to this with more indiscriminate bombings, it'll not
help.
Patrick
Dr. Smartass (was Fury)
Michael Derousselle <mi...@derousselle.org> wrote in message
news:1rcspt4algvnvu2ek...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:49:06 +0300, "Kalle Helenius"
> <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>
> >Sickening stuff.
> >
> >I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> >partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>
> a sign of the "END TIMES". Good grief, what morons.
I'm sure someone out there is saying something related to Nostrodamus...there
was supposed to be a "prophesy" of his in which some evil man "in the East"
lights fires against the Great Cities "in the West"...I remember in the
mid-80s how people were interpreting that as nuclear strikes against NYC,
Washington, etc.
Dr. Smartass (was Fury)
Meteorite Debris <zrgr...@qvatboyhr.arg.nh.ROT13> wrote in message
news:MPG.1608cfe5f...@news.dingoblue.net.au...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:54:13 -0500 Michael
> Derousselle<mi...@derousselle.org> did eloquently compose:
>
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:49:06 +0300, "Kalle Helenius"
> > <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
> >
> > >Sickening stuff.
> > >
> > >I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> > >partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
> >
> > There are loonies here in Houston on the radio talk about how this is
> > a sign of the "END TIMES". Good grief, what morons.
>
> prophesies.
Sucker bet.
patrick.brown
> > Sickening stuff.
> >
> > I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> > partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>
> Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty, and it's in their interest
> to keep it.
I don't believe the Palestinians are anywhere near strong enough to do this.
If they could do this, they could overthrow Israel, and they haven't the
capability to do that.
Patrick
Joe Parente
I'll bet those idiots piloting the planes were asking their god to guide
them, too.
Why don't we let the damn gods fight it out and leave us alone?
Joe P.
Dr. Smartass (was Fury)
FaithHH1 <fait...@cs.comclayskye> wrote in message
news:20010911124527...@nso-mq.news.cs.com...
> In article <sofspt88k3p4319n0...@4ax.com>, Orhan Orgun
> <orhanb...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >>
> >>I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> >>partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
> >
> >
> >know many Muslim bozos believe they go straight to heaven if they die
> >in a Holy War. There is therefore little doubt in my mind that what
> >happened this morning would have been extremely unlikely if religion
> >hadn't been behind it.
>
> Nothing is more sickening than watching the maen, women and children I just
saw
> on the news dancing and cheering in the streets.
>
> I understand, as much as I can, the anti-americanism that is prevalent all
over
> the world. Hell, it's practically fashionable in some places. But I can
never
> understand cheering because thousands of people have been killed. People
who
> were simply trying to get from one end of their own country to another on an
> airplane. What kind of thrill can you get from their deaths?
They're "collateral damage," as McVeigh called it. To the True Believer, the
rest of us aren't even human, because we're not "Saved." Killing innocents
means nothing, to them.
>
> People going to work. Yeah! We want them dead.
>
> I just don't understand how anyone can look so happy over such devastation.
Stuff like this only makes me more misanthropic :( and more anti-religion.
>
> I wonder how high the terrorism body count has to get before there is a
> response.
:(
Fred Stone
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:12:51 GMT, "Kalle Helenius"
> <Kalle.H...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>
> >And now Bush is calling for prayer on tv.
> >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
> >HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I don't know... in such cases it's forgiveable. I had tears in my eyes,
> personally. I think all he said he was something like "May god help us all"
I'm with you. It's all the guy knows to express what he feels.
I'd be calling for prayer myself if I thought it'd help.
Robert Templeton
news:Y_rn7.16538$fA.30...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
But who started the Gulf War? Iraq's army illegally took possession of
another country, Kuwait, in a ploy to take control of the oil cartel in
order to cripple the West. They refused, after numerous requests, to
release their control of that country, even as international forces amassed
in Arabia. Sadam was instituting and enacting genocide on a minority group
within his country. He was also in the process of constructing
ground-to-ground missiles equipped with biological weapons. The Gulf War
forces should've removed and replaced the government.
I have no sympathy for the ravages of their country during and after these
actions by them.
Robert Templeton
stillsunny
Remember who you are.
Now, when it's hard, remember who you are.
Sunny
who is sick and sad, and done preaching
Joe Parente
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:27:52 GMT, kie...@mediaone.net (Pat Kiewicz)
>wrote:
>
>>Fred Stone said...
>>
>>>I just saw the news clips of the one plane hitting the tower,
>>>and of the two towers collapsing. This is going to make
>>>Oklahoma City look like a picnic. If there's not 50,000 dead,
>>>I'm a Christian.
>>
>
>It happened at 8:45. I don't want to think how many more could have
>been killed if they were just half an hour later...
>
Many, if not most people are behind their desks already at that hour. Some
businesses open a 8:00 or 8:30. Plus a lot of people get to work early to
eat breakfast and yap together. These buildings were probably 90% full.
This makes me sick. The responsible parties, their families and anyone that
knew about this or aided it will pay.
Joe P.
FaithHH1
<NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> writes:
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:12:51 GMT, "Kalle Helenius"
><Kalle.H...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>
>>And now Bush is calling for prayer on tv.
>>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>I don't know... in such cases it's forgiveable. I had tears in my eyes,
>personally. I think all he said he was something like "May god help us all"
While it's ironic to call for prayer in what is likely the result of a "holy
war", I understand the need to find comfort. If it is comforting for some to
pray, so be it. For me, quiet reflection interrupted by moments of panic for
several friends, and an anger I'm not used to seeing in myself are probably
going to occupy the rest of my day.
ClaySkye
#4
Head of EAC Dept. of Education/Re-education
BAAWA-BB section 1
FaithHH1
(was Fury)" <a...@ifyouwant.it> writes:
Did you look in the water? It looked like a war movie.
Here in California, some cities are slowly turning into ghost towns. The news
is showing all of the closures. Aside from the major airports there are
closures of all financial institutions in LA, bus stations, some schools,
amusment parks (what kind of a sicko would attack Disneyland), all Major League
Baseball games have been canceled as well as concerts and awards shows,
shopping centers have closed.
I went to bed and woke up with a migraine and didn't go to work. Now it's
mostly nausea.
FaithHH1
plasmatron@godis*bullshit*dead.com writes:
I wonder if the leaders who are condemning this and hiding Bin Laden will give
him up. He predicted this, only on an even larger scale. That's what is
scary. Once we find out the plans behind these things, we usually find out
that they were even bigger than we thought.
I am worried about some people whom were supposed to be coming back from Boston
this morning. I am anxiously waiting to hear from someone reliable about their
flight number.
FaithHH1
"patrick.brown" <patric...@ntlworld.com> writes:
I don't actually have that authority (wry smile)
I do understand the sentiment. But you don't see Americans dancing in the
streets after we bomb someone. It's the shear joy that can be seen in their
faces that bothered me.
DarkAngel
> Sickening stuff.
>
> I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
Speculations at this point in time are moot. I know Americans don't have
need for anything more than excuses to bomb the Mideast, but still I
would expect some rationality to remain in this forum. Hell, do you know
how many enemies the USA has these days? It could be anyone from the
Chinese trying to be 'funny' about the spy plane incident from a few
months back, to the first serious terrorist attack from ecoterrorists
pissed at the whole Kyoto fiasco. And I won't go into the conspiracy
theories you could spin about this being a PR coup by the Pentagon to
give a reason for increased budget in the Star Wars thingee.
Speculations are nothing more. There's no evidence at this point.
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Timothy Wesson
> Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<3B9E2442...@earthlink.net>...
> >
> > Two planes crashed into the World Trade Center towers in New York,
> > and one more near the Pentagon in Washington.
> >
> > Uncle Sam may be slow, but this will not go unavenged.
>
> That's the problem. Instead of looking for justice - which
> goes both ways - people want vengeance. I thought the world
> had learned from the IRA and the British that this mentality
> was the problem. Obviously not.
Justice is a human construction. Even-handedness is sometimes impossible to attain, so we have
to err on the side of forgiveness and non-retaliation if we want a better world.
> (This is not meant as a personal attack, but let's face it:
> until one side is willing to look for a peaceful solution,
> there won't be one found while both sides are willing to
> kill each other.)
Agreed.
> Bob Dog
> bg12345.apexmail@com
> Atheist #153
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The.Central.Scr...@invalid.pobox.com
>
>Kalle Helenius <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote in message
>>
>> Kalle Helenius <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote in message
>> news:3b9e1717$0$24...@ams2eusosrv31.ams.ops.eu.uu.net...
>> >
>> > I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
>> > partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>>
>> this?
>
>The "missile defense" thing isn't really intended to work. It's something the
>government is using to keep the defense industry alive (Prez'dent Junior has
>some senior advisors, for example--both are in high-up administrative
>positions over the Air Force and Navy...and both of these men are high up in
>the corporate structure at the two biggest defense companies--one supplies
>planes and weapons for the Navy, the other for the Air Force.
>
>Just business as usual.
SAM batteries for prohibited airspace like over the major cities would have
worked.
Lotta good 20-20 hindsight is.
The.Central.Scr...@invalid.pobox.com
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:49:58 GMT Rune Børsjø <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:39:49 GMT, "Kalle Helenius"
>> <Kalle.H...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>
>>>I wrote these two posts when the reports were that 6 people were
>>>dead, and hundreds injured.
>>>
>>>Now i'm just speechless.
>
>> I think that was the WTC bombing in 1993. 6 dead, roughly 1000 injured. The
>> death toll here (by all accounts, 2 jumbos, 2 smaller jets + a building where at
>> least 50.000 work), is definately in the early thousands.
>
> Just heard on the TV it's confirmed that 10,000 are dead
>minimum. Keep in mind they only had a few minutes on one building and
>less than half an hour on the other to evacuate 25,000 in each
>building. If the death count is less than 25,000 people I may start
>beliving in deities again.
And of course, like at any tragedy, you get to hear some moron christians thank
god for their survival. They always seem to forget to thank god for all the
fatalities.
DarkAngel
> DarkAngel wrote:
>
> > Kalle Helenius wrote:
> >
> > > Sickening stuff.
> > >
> > > I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> > > partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
> >
> > Pardon my lack of access to up-to-the-minute newscasts but...
> >
> > wtf happened?
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010911/aponline093304_000.htm
>
> Two planes crashed into the World Trade Center towers in New York,
> and one more near the Pentagon in Washington.
>
> Uncle Sam may be slow, but this will not go unavenged.
Oh that's just great. Piss off the mighty American Empire. Like we need another
World War...
Fred Stone
I know, I'm blowing off this enormous rage I feel.
I shout defiance to keep from weeping.
> Sunny
-who is more levelheaded than I'll ever be.
> who is sick and sad, and done preaching
I'll celebrate when we identify the culprit(s) and
bomb them into the precambrian. The stone age
is too good for them.
The.Central.Scr...@invalid.pobox.com
>Therion Ware <tw...@city-of-dis.com.eac> wrote in message
>news:tu8spto3nhvb8c03p...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:38:10 GMT, Rune Børsjø
>> <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:48 GMT, DarkAngel <drkan...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >>wtf happened?
>> >
>> >-Airplane hits world trade center
>> >-Second airplane hits 18 minutes later
>> >-Pentagon hit
>> >-Palestinians claim responsiblity
>>
>> Has that claim been substantiated? It was discounted on the BBC.
>
>Somebody claimed responsibility on behalf of a Palestinian splinter group.
>That group's HQ has issued a denial.
100 cruise misiles carpet bombing the palistinian territories would do the
trick.
Or perhaps a nuke or two.
FaithHH1
writes:
>Kalle Helenius wrote:
>
>> Sickening stuff.
>>
>> I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
>> partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>
>Speculations at this point in time are moot. I know Americans don't have
>need for anything more than excuses to bomb the Mideast, but still I
>would expect some rationality to remain in this forum. Hell, do you know
>how many enemies the USA has these days? It could be anyone from the
>Chinese trying to be 'funny' about the spy plane incident from a few
>months back, to the first serious terrorist attack from ecoterrorists
>pissed at the whole Kyoto fiasco. And I won't go into the conspiracy
>theories you could spin about this being a PR coup by the Pentagon to
>give a reason for increased budget in the Star Wars thingee.
>
>Speculations are nothing more. There's no evidence at this point.
>
There are indications that this is a religious group's work.
It has been pointed out that in order to crash these planes would take a
suicide pilot. With very few exceptions, those are done by religious groups
who feel that they will get some sort of reward in the afterlife for their
actions.
DarkAngel
> FaithHH1 wrote:
>
> > In article <sofspt88k3p4319n0...@4ax.com>, Orhan Orgun
> > <orhanb...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > >>Sickening stuff.
> > >>
> > >>I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
> > >>partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
> > >
> > >
> > >That's right; it does look like a characteristically Muslim M.O. You
> > >know many Muslim bozos believe they go straight to heaven if they die
> > >in a Holy War. There is therefore little doubt in my mind that what
> > >happened this morning would have been extremely unlikely if religion
> > >hadn't been behind it.
> >
> > Nothing is more sickening than watching the maen, women and children I just saw
> > on the news dancing and cheering in the streets.
> >
> > I understand, as much as I can, the anti-americanism that is prevalent all over
> > the world. Hell, it's practically fashionable in some places. But I can never
> > understand cheering because thousands of people have been killed. People who
> > were simply trying to get from one end of their own country to another on an
> > airplane. What kind of thrill can you get from their deaths?
> >
> > People going to work. Yeah! We want them dead.
> >
> > I just don't understand how anyone can look so happy over such devastation.
> >
> > I wonder how high the terrorism body count has to get before there is a
> > response.
>
> I saw that clip, and it made me want an AK47 so bad.
> Put a couple clips into that crowd and see if they still want to dance...
Or throw parades, like the Yanks did for their Gulf War fighters after they comitted
multiple acts condemned by the UN, such as poisoning Iraqi water supply?
patrick.brown
news:Odsn7.284514$NK1.26...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
You're doing exactly what the people who just attacked America have done -
assume that every civilian in the country of your enemy is your enemy.
Patrick
Andrew Lias
> All I can say is whoever did it better hope we don't find out where
> they are. This is going to be ugly.
That it will. I think that we need to be methodical in order to be
sure that we find out who did this, and that we don't misidentify
them, but once we know, I doubt that we're going to hold back in
exacting revenge, nor do I think that any country that might be
harboring those who did this will be able to excuse themselves from
retaliation.
It would seem that some terrorists have come to think that America
does not have the resolve to respond to these kinds of attacks, but I
think that they are going to learn that, once we are sufficiently
provoked, we are not a force to be trifled with.
It will be ugly. It will be very ugly, indeed.
Mike Smith
= "Kalle Helenius" <Kalle.H...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
=
=>And now Bush is calling for prayer on tv.
=>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
=>HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
=
=I don't know... in such cases it's forgiveable. I had tears in my eyes,
=personally. I think all he said he was something like "May god help us all"
After untold billions being poured into the pentagon, "may god help us."
What an idiot.
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patrick.brown
news:slrn9psl4r.175.The.Cen...@C1459607-A.arvada1.co.hom
e.com...
There is no way this was the palestinians. They don't have this kind of
capability. And carpet bombings or nukes will only kill more civilians who
aren't responsible for any of this.
Patrick
Mike Smith
=There are groups in the United States who are capable of and
=have the desire to cripple the government. It could be one of
=our own.
Gas prices are going up already - maybe oil company weasels
are behind this :-)
Kronius
>
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:04:05 +0300, "Kalle Helenius"
> > <kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
> >
> > >Oh, and how is that missile shield system gonna protect the US from
> > >this?
> >
over
> > this!!! I know americans are shocked... but Norway is standing still.
There are
> > no one on the streets, people are watching TV at home or work.
> >
> > Our thoughts and hearts are with you...
>
> Thank you.
> The news is going berserk over here.
> All I can say is whoever did it better hope we don't find out where
> they are. This is going to be ugly.
Wars have begun over much less.
I can barely contain my rage right now; I don't know what else to say.
June Gill
FaithHH1 <fait...@cs.comclayskye> writes
>In article <sofspt88k3p4319n0...@4ax.com>, Orhan Orgun
><orhanb...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>>Sickening stuff.
>>>
>>>I bet 1$ that there's a religious motivation behind it, at least
>>>partly. Palestinians, Taleban etc. Fucking chickenshit assholes.
>>
>>
>>That's right; it does look like a characteristically Muslim M.O. You
>>know many Muslim bozos believe they go straight to heaven if they die
>>in a Holy War. There is therefore little doubt in my mind that what
>>happened this morning would have been extremely unlikely if religion
>>hadn't been behind it.
>
>Nothing is more sickening than watching the maen, women and children I just
>saw
>on the news dancing and cheering in the streets.
Yes, I've just seen that too - totally sickening.
>I understand, as much as I can, the anti-americanism that is prevalent all over
>the world. Hell, it's practically fashionable in some places. But I can never
>understand cheering because thousands of people have been killed. People who
>were simply trying to get from one end of their own country to another on an
>airplane. What kind of thrill can you get from their deaths?
>
>People going to work. Yeah! We want them dead.
>
>I just don't understand how anyone can look so happy over such devastation.
Me neither. My deepest sympathy to all the people who will have lost
someone in this cowardly attack - and to all the American people.
--
June G
# 364
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