You will burn in HELL.
Frankie Lee
It has been always the dream of burglars to hope that all the goods
stolen from a house shall be his, and without getting discovered and
later on to be punished.
In order for me to prove God’s existence, is it not reasonable for me
to show evidence what God had said, what God had pronounced and what
great things God told to others and His dealings with an entire
country, Israel, and His servants and people and Christians?
HAS IT BEEN UNREASONABLE FOR ME TO SHOW PROOFS,BY MEANS OF ASSERTIONS,
and TESTIMONIALS OF OTHERS?
How to begin to prove if one doesn’t make assertions first? Is it not
true that a claim is made first and then back-up claims of evidence
came later?
On one hand, Atheist’s Medias censored documentations of proofs, the
irrefutable evidence of God, they covered up, and told witnesses to
shut up, to leave Atheists alone to their own confusions and state of
deceptions.Also, they show evidence of fear and phobias of
presentation given by many Christians,so using
insults,vulgarities,rudeness,incivility,ridicules and hate; besides
telling lies to all and incite hatred and basking among themselves
with the glorious insults which they claimed superior, chit-chatting
among themselves ?
There are objections by rational atheists; who question why the
scientific communities were not well informed about the many wondrous
claims from Christians regarding wonders and the spiritual
dimension?
There were visitations of Jesus in physical form seen by many folks
throughout the centuries since he was raised from the earth. The many
dead were raised to life. Healing of sick folks, by divine encounters
to the tune of the many millions in our world today; cancers
disappeared, HIV/Aids healed, crippled walk, amputees had their limbs
restored, demons were cast out from human bodies.
How shall they hear and know, if information is not handed out to
them? If witnesses and physical evidence were preserved, and hand out
to the skeptics, will they believe?
Are we not to assume that there are dishonest individuals trying to
corrupt scriptures, evidence, tampered it and challenge it?
People who challenge evidence presented by Christian, will be accepted
only when honesty and objectivity were seen.
Imagine, how can anyone not be able to say, Frankie’s evidence of God
is superior and must be accepted?, ...simply because nobody challenge
his reasonable messages with objectivity? They ridicule. Insult. They
never went against his main points. They have yet to refute his main
theme of the messages. They told him not to share. They accuse him of
being a liar. They asked him to leave the newsgroups and go to
elsewhere. They used vulgarities?
The physical book, the Bible is evidence of God. God’s words are
proves of God’s existence. God’s thoughts are proves. His moral Laws.
His concepts. His assertions. His presence. His punishments on
sinners. His divine wisdom. His miracles. His creations.
The Cosmos. The universe.
Wait a minute, you may say? That is not proofs. I say, then, what is
evidence?
Many ET showed evidence of bones, and then made bombastic claims and
exaggerated claims that it was millions of years old.Ardi had no long
sharp canine teeth, so she was a peace loving “animal”, which they had
said. Hitler also had no long sharp canine teeth, so his skeleton
remains is evidence to show he must be a peace loving human.
Never mind the fact that we know of Holocaust and history and
testimonials of others who confirmed to us of what he was.
Never mind the fact that we know bacteria decays will eat any bones
to’ashes’if it were thousand of years; or the inference that countless
of more recent bones are most likely to be discovered first, rather
than impossible finds of bone that could survive million of years, nor
the fact there are no scientific consensus at all to begin with.
“Believe”, is the word isn’t it? Just because you appeal to the
academy of science so you are correct, and I appeal to the bible so I
am correct? It boils down to our own acceptance and analysis and
discernment, isn’t it?
Many believe that the words of scientists must be accepted because
they have better understanding than us, and they can prove
scientifically whereas the Christians cannot.
Can you not see why Atheist and the world sob and howl as loud as they
can when I quote some words from a scientist name: Albert Einstein?
Base on their set of thinking, so I proposed: Einstein said that Jesus
is no myth. Christianity cannot be dismissed. Jesus is divine,
according to him.
Christianity declared that Jesus is the Lord and Savior of mankind,
and Jesus is alive and Jesus is God.
An honest folk would then believe in God and Jesus, and that is
reasonable if he harbors that thinking, and I applaud that.
Then all Atheists who believe in Science and who appeal to the
authority-words of scientists, kow-towed and case closed.
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
Does anyone dispute scientific experience to prove some theories or
sets of beliefs?
What are the most rational and most reasonable methods to prove Jesus
is alive and real and that God is real and He existed as a Person, and
not an idol?
Everyone knows that the triumph of the Christian Faith lies in the
resurrection of Jesus Christ. The reliability of the Bible had this as
a foundation, too.
Some folks objected to the Noah’s flood accounts as unbelievable
tales. Adam and Eve as mere stories. But if we are talking about a
supernatural Being known as God, does He not able to supernaturally
cause the flood, since He had created the whole universe?
US $ had “God” written on it, it is a written-witness of God’s
existence. The problem is, whether one believes God or not.
BC/AD-Before Christ and The year of our Lord,were language in English
marking histories.Now people tried to change English Language,on that
aspect.
Since evidences can be interpreted in many thousand ways, then what we
need to ascertain something is by mean of Proof.
How then to have Proof that God exists? (Not evidence)(Note the
difference)
EXPERIMENTATION.EXPERIENCE.TEST.OBSERVABLE.
1,Upon death, one will experience Hell-fires burning him/her, “with”
gnashing of teeth,weeping;and discover that one is lock up in that
furnace forever. This is invincible proof, once a person enters death,
and for one who have yet to experience.
So one can have “proof” whether it is real or true by experiencing
death, validating the Bible or disproving the Bible.
2, Calling the name of Lord Jesus here and now, using live experiments
here and now, and not wait till death occurs.
Now, since Jesus is alive and being Omnipresent, and He is God and is
a living being, is it not reasonable or rational to call him, by sheer
experimentation?
Many of you wanted Proof, and here I show you how. But if you, by
saying Experimentation and by real experience with a living person are
flawed in science and you disbelieve that Experimentation is a
scientific method, then show me, what is sane, what is reasonable and
what is logical?
But then you have to follow my set rules.
a, No pseudo-scientist is allowed.
b, You must chose to be honest and objective.
c, You should do exactly as I say.
d, Be humble.
---------***
Say out loud,” Dear Lord Jesus,
Frankie say I can call you, and you will show proofs to me.
I am a sinner. I admit that. But I want my sins cleansed. I want to be
saved.
If you are true and real, and there is a Heaven and Hell, I want to
know that.
You are free to work in me, by your power as God, and set my thinking
and mindsets in proper.
I renounce lies and all deceptions.
So help me,God.
-----------***
3,Now,I have shown evidence, followed up by experimentation where
everybody can take their part.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If anyone participate the experimentation, then they are in a position
to testify.
The truths will show.
Is this a reasonable test?
Is experience necessary?
If anyone rebut anything not concerning about the above,or the main
point about Experimentation,distract the main points,may I ask,what
for?
bob young
Frankie Lee wrote:
> Why you will burn in Hell?
>
> It has been always the dream of burglars to hope that all the goods
> stolen from a house shall be his, and without getting discovered and
> later on to be punished.
>
> In order for me to prove God£s existence, is it not reasonable for me
> to show evidence what God had said, what God had pronounced and what
> great things God told to others and His dealings with an entire
> country, Israel, and His servants and people and Christians?
>
> HAS IT BEEN UNREASONABLE FOR ME TO SHOW PROOFS,BY MEANS OF ASSERTIONS,
> and TESTIMONIALS OF OTHERS?
Indeed - that, of course, is because you cannot prove anything.
>
>
> How to begin to prove if one doesn£t make assertions first? Is it not
> true that a claim is made first and then back-up claims of evidence
> came later?
What is true is this - every god known on this planet [and there are tens of thousands of them], were all
created in the minds of insecure humans. The current four or five major 'beliefs' just happen to be in
vogue. Given a few thousand years more we may see a different set of gods worshipped by millions of
misguided people,
The chance is small of course because:-
1) Religions are on the wane with a shortage of priests worldwide
2) We may not live to see it, since a war between Islam and Christianity, being nuclear, may well wipe
out the entire world population, all on the names of imaginary gods.
3) The steady march of scientific discovery will continue to chip away the facades of religions until the
time comes when praying to an imaginary god will be as rare as seeing someone 'taking snuff' is today.
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
Frankie Lee
> What is true is this - every god known on this planet [and there are tens of thousands of them], were all
> created in the minds of insecure humans. The current four or five major 'beliefs' just happen to be in
> vogue. Given a few thousand years more we may see a different set of gods worshipped by millions of
> misguided people,
***Frankie's reply: From your arrogance,your follies are
displayed.***Created in the minds of insecure humans?
If I were to use your own rationales,(and you should believe your own
logic of assertions and beliefs)....if I could show you,secure men and
women,who had secure minds,stable,like Christ Jesus,or Einstein,then
Christian religion must surely not have been created by feeble
minds.Is that not correct?
By your logics-if I can find one guy out of a billion man,who is
stable,having secure and sound minds,then all your assertions are mere
empty/groundless.
So by your own rebuttals,it is against yourself.Are you not,in a
way,shows yourself as misguided?Your concepts were all foolish,wrong
and had to be discarded?
By your theory as to what would happen in a thousand years?Jesus
already predicted of His reign of a 1000 years here on earth.
Given your own assumptions,there will be more misguided people as time
goes by,so human will become more and more stupid,rather than more and
more smarter?The Bible says that human will have greater knowledge in
the last days,at the same time,godlessness and immoralities would be
rampant,leading them to a greater sufferings in eternity.
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Jimbo
You have yet to prove that this hell thing actually exists, much less
prove that anyone will burn in it.
Frankie Lee
The steady march of scientific discovery will continue to chip away
the facades of religions until the
time comes when praying to an imaginary god will be as rare as seeing
someone 'taking snuff' is today.
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Frankie: So you projected by your own reasoning,which I have shown you
reasonably how you flawed,so how could your misguided predictions had
any merits?
Given the explosion of increase tenacity and religiousness fervor all
over the world,and at this rate,the outcome would be a different
scenario,if you can discern.
Since you assume of further scientific discovery of things which you
have no idea about,why could it not be the other way round,people
finds God?
Jimbo
> On Nov 11, 5:55 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> The steady march of scientific discovery will continue to chip away
> the facades of religions until the
> time comes when praying to an imaginary god will be as rare as seeing
> someone 'taking snuff' is today.
>
> Bob
> Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
>
> Frankie: So you projected by your own reasoning,which I have shown you
> reasonably how you flawed,so how could your misguided predictions had
> any merits?
It's already starting to happen.
By the way, take some English lessons.
>
> Given the explosion of increase tenacity and religiousness fervor all
> over the world,
Yes, but by fewer, and fewer people. The Pope was on TV just last
week complaining about how people are turning away from the church in
droves in Europe and the Americas. Those that remain, are becoming
shriller.
Frankie Lee
***How do we know Hell is real and it exists?Since Jesus said it is
true and real,and I believe Him.
Are there any witness of people who went there,seen it and come back
to life?Yes.Who are there?
Many.Go to you tube and check for yourself.
In the court of Law,two witnesses is enough to indict and convict a
criminal.So what reasonable evidence you need?
Can you,like those fools,who has not seen Hell,no idea of what it is
like,make assumptions that their witness are not true?
Is it Hallucinations?Or is it the real thing?
I believe it is the real thing,and I am sure about it.Is that good
enough?
Jimbo
> On Nov 11, 6:31 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 11, 1:36 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why you will burn in Hell?
>
> > You have yet to prove that this hell thing actually exists, much less
> > prove that anyone will burn in it.
>
> ***How do we know Hell is real and it exists?Since Jesus said it is
> true
You have yet to prove that this jesus thing exists.
Frankie Lee
> On Nov 11, 5:36 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 11, 5:55 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > The steady march of scientific discovery will continue to chip away
> > the facades of religions until the
> > time comes when praying to an imaginary god will be as rare as seeing
> > someone 'taking snuff' is today.
>
> > Bob
> > Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
>
> > Frankie: So you projected by your own reasoning,which I have shown you
> > reasonably how you flawed,so how could your misguided predictions had
> > any merits?
>
> It's already starting to happen.
>
> By the way, take some English lessons.
***(Yes,it is disconnected in thoughts.Rephrase.)
You have projected views of what the future may holds.Earlier,Bob was
so disconnected in thoughts and logic.It is more reasonable to assume
that he will have fractured views rather than having any accurate
projection of the future.
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Yes, but by fewer, and fewer people. The Pope was on TV just last
week complaining about how people are turning away from the church in
droves in Europe and the Americas. Those that remain, are becoming
shriller.
***Dinesh De Souza had done research and offer a different views.Just
by populations' increase of Muslims alone,their high birth rate,so it
shouldn't surprise us if they conquer all of Europe.
Erwin Moller
That is excactly where unreasonable believes will lead us.
Into war.
And trying to outbreed your competitors (by having 10 kids) is also a
famous technic.
Religion leads us to Armageddon: An Earth with too many people that
refuse to think and are intollerable towards others.
Armageddon... As predicted.
Talking about self forfilling prophecies...
Are you proud to be on the wrong side, Frankie Lee?
Erwin Moller
--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare
Jimbo
> On Nov 11, 6:39 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 11, 5:36 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 11, 5:55 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > The steady march of scientific discovery will continue to chip away
> > > the facades of religions until the
> > > time comes when praying to an imaginary god will be as rare as seeing
> > > someone 'taking snuff' is today.
>
> > > Bob
> > > Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
>
> > > Frankie: So you projected by your own reasoning,which I have shown you
> > > reasonably how you flawed,so how could your misguided predictions had
> > > any merits?
>
> > It's already starting to happen.
>
> > By the way, take some English lessons.
>
> ***(Yes,it is disconnected in thoughts.Rephrase.)
>
> You have projected views of what the future may holds.Earlier,Bob was
> so disconnected in thoughts and logic.It is more reasonable to assume
> that he will have fractured views rather than having any accurate
> projection of the future.
> Yes, but by fewer, and fewer people. The Pope was on TV just last
> week complaining about how people are turning away from the church in
> droves in Europe and the Americas. Those that remain, are becoming
> shriller.
>
> ***Dinesh De Souza had done research and offer a different views.Just
> by populations' increase of Muslims alone,their high birth rate,so it
> shouldn't surprise us if they conquer all of Europe.
>
Actually, the Imams in Europe have also been complaining, particularly
about their people, particularly their youth, not practicing Islam, a
few of them are actually turning to Catholocism, but most of them are
simply not practicing any religion.
One of them was quoted on the news as saying, "They no longer observe
the prayers or come to the Mosque, I don't know what is in these
people's heads!"
So, the Muslims are having much the same trouble.
>
> > > Given the explosion of increase tenacity and religiousness fervor all
> > > over the world,
>
> > Yes, but by fewer, and fewer people. The Pope was on TV just last
> > week complaining about how people are turning away from the church in
> > droves in Europe and the Americas. Those that remain, are becoming
> > shriller.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Frankie Lee
***Let me quickly tell you how I think.Like in those days where the
crusades vs the Islamists.There might have a repeat of History.Islamic
faith is very wicked and dangerous,and intimidating.Their colors is
shown from Shariah Banking to political manoeuvrings in the UN.
Their greatest fear is never Atheist.Simply,the Atheist has no
supernatural power,and most unlike have never seen one perhaps in
their lifetime.What make it worst was,Atheist suppose by mere natural
logic and intellectual reasoning can win the fight for a more
saner,humane society.
The forces of evil are very spiritual.The Bible talk of the struggles
are pitted against the Demons and wicked spirits in high places.Eph
6:12
The tides of Islamic evils can only be stop by the increase majority
of Christians,who would stand by the principles of the founding
Fathers of USA.This is the only practical step against Islamic
terrorism.
And,Christians must be expose to the spiritual world.
Jimbo
> On Nov 11, 7:06 pm, Erwin Moller
>
>
>
>
>
> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
> > Frankie Lee schreef:
>
> > > On Nov 11, 6:39 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Nov 11, 5:36 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> On Nov 11, 5:55 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> The steady march of scientific discovery will continue to chip away
> > >>> the facades of religions until the
> > >>> time comes when praying to an imaginary god will be as rare as seeing
> > >>> someone 'taking snuff' is today.
> > >>> Bob
> > >>> Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
> > >>> Frankie: So you projected by your own reasoning,which I have shown you
> > >>> reasonably how you flawed,so how could your misguided predictions had
> > >>> any merits?
> > >> It's already starting to happen.
>
> > >> By the way, take some English lessons.
>
> > > ***(Yes,it is disconnected in thoughts.Rephrase.)
>
> > > You have projected views of what the future may holds.Earlier,Bob was
> > > so disconnected in thoughts and logic.It is more reasonable to assume
> > > that he will have fractured views rather than having any accurate
> > > projection of the future.
And you think that people that have demons and imaginary sky pixies
jumping from around every corner are some how going to lead us to a
saner society?
Not likely.
raven1
<leea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Can you not see why Atheist and the world sob and howl as loud as they
>can when I quote some words from a scientist name: Albert Einstein?
>
>Base on their set of thinking, so I proposed: Einstein said that Jesus
>is no myth. Christianity cannot be dismissed. Jesus is divine,
>according to him.
Lie. Here's what Einstein actually had to say on the topics of God and
religion:
"I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the
actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures
of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that
mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt
by modern science. My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of
the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that
we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of
reality. Morality is of the highest importance-but for us, not for
God."
-- Albert Einstein. August 1927. Berlin, Germany.
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but
have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
world so far as our science can reveal it."
-- Albert Einstein. December 1939. Princeton, New Jersey.
"I have tried to respond to your question as simply as I could. Here
is my answer. Scientific research is based on the idea that everything
that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this
holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist
will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by
a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural Being."
-- Albert Einstein. January 1936. Princeton, New Jersey.
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that
could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a
magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly,
and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of "humility."
This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with
mysticism."
-- Albert Einstein. 1954
"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider
ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority
behind it."
-- Albert Einstein. July 1953.
"The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in
the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for
me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner
experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory
impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be
empty and devoid of meaning."
-- Albert Einstein. February 1921.
"The most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense
of the mysterious. It is the underlying principle of religion as well
as all serious endeavor in art and science. He who never had this
experience seems to me, if not dead, then at least blind. To sense
that behind anything that can be experienced there is a something that
our mind cannot grasp and whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only
indirectly and as a feeble reflection, this is religiousness. In this
sense I am religious."
-- Albert Einstein. 1932.
ilbe...@gmail.com
> If anyone participate the experimentation, then they are in a position
> to testify.
> The truths will show.
> Is this a reasonable test?
> Is experience necessary?
>
> If anyone rebut anything not concerning about the above,or the main
> point about Experimentation,distract the main points,may I ask,what
> for?
Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
regret found in Hell, for, God finds no delight in granting a person
what they always wanted while on earth : Great distance from him due
to overwhelming human pride.
Ken
for 13 years, and you have to be the dumbest, most ignorant person
I've run across in that time"
Devils Advocaat
>
> Healing of sick folks, by divine encounters
> to the tune of the many millions in our world today; cancers
> disappeared, HIV/Aids healed, crippled walk, amputees had their limbs
> restored, demons were cast out from human bodies.
>
offer no accounts by these people or those of witnesses to these
alleged miracles.
And you offer no medical testimonials from these peoples' doctors,
confirming their state of health before and after the alleged cures.
Amputees, you claim have had their limbs restored, but again you offer
no supporting evidence.
So come on, show everyone the real evidence for these alleged cures.
Or will it be like your attempt to support that dubious individual,
Todd Bentley, who claimed to have bought 20 people back from the dead?
And yet no substantiation of those claims was ever forthcoming from
Todd, or from you.
raven1
>Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
>regret found in Hell
Let's also hope that Cthulhu and the other Old Ones won't rise out of
the sea to devour humanity, that Harry Potter has vanquished Lord
Voldemort for all time, that Frodo can succeed in his quest to destroy
the Dark Lord Sauron's Ring, and that Luke Skywalker can defeat
Galactic Emperor Palpatine.
tirebiter
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:49 -0800 (PST), Frankie Lee
>
> >Can you not see why Atheist and the world sob and howl as loud as they
> >can when I quote some words from a scientist name: Albert Einstein?
>
> >Base on their set of thinking, so I proposed: Einstein said that Jesus
> >is no myth. Christianity cannot be dismissed. Jesus is divine,
> >according to him.
>
> Lie. Here's what Einstein actually had to say on the topics of God and
> religion:
>
Frankie,
Please cite a verifiable quote where Einstein said jesus is divine.
The many occasions where he denied believing in a personal god
notwithstanding, he was raised jewish. Why would he profess the
divinity of an alleged god that christians believe in but jews don't?
I saw the video where Kirk Cameron was hawking the reprinting of
"Evolution of the Species" book with the extra 50 pages of lies and
proslytizing that Roy Comfort invented. In that video Cameron also
slandered Einstein by making a similar claim. These christians know
they're lying and they some seem able to rationalize it as actually
being a good thing to do.
---
a.a. #2273
Frankie Lee
***Why so impatient?Can you wait?
tirebiter
>
> Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
> regret found in Hell, for, God finds no delight in granting a person
> what they always wanted while on earth : Great distance from him due
> to overwhelming human pride.
And here it comes, the "hollow threat". AKA "You'll be sorry when
you're dead".
This is usually the last spitball thrown before promising to pray for
us, declaring victory and running away.
But as to this version of the hollow threat, why would your allegedly
"all loving" god require people to be "saved" from a fate that it
supposedly devised and created? You realize that it is "saving"
people from itself, don't you?
The illogical of this whole argument is stupefying. But when you
consider that it was only devised by humans as a form of crowd
control, it makes a little more sense.
---
a.a. #2273
raven1
Why so evasive? Can't you substantiate your claims?
Les Hellawell
<leea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Why you will burn in Hell?
>
>It has been always the dream of burglars to hope that all the goods
>stolen from a house shall be his, and without getting discovered and
>later on to be punished.
More like they want to fence them (sell them) off quickly. Cash
cannot be traced.
>
>In order for me to prove God�s existence, is it not reasonable for me
>to show evidence what God had said, what God had pronounced and what
>great things God told to others and His dealings with an entire
>country, Israel, and His servants and people and Christians?
>
>HAS IT BEEN UNREASONABLE FOR ME TO SHOW PROOFS,BY MEANS OF ASSERTIONS,
>and TESTIMONIALS OF OTHERS?
Asserrtions are never proofs not ever, just forcibly expressed
opinions. They are demands that we accept just on the say-so of the
ones making the assertions.
You should at least understand that - I just asserted it :-)
>How to begin to prove if one doesn�t make assertions first? Is it not
>true that a claim is made first and then back-up claims of evidence
>came later?
If you seek to convince of your claims (whatever they are - you have
yet to tell us what they are) then it is for you to decide how to go
about it.
>On one hand, Atheist�s Medias censored documentations of proofs, the
>irrefutable evidence of God, they covered up, and told witnesses to
>shut up, to leave Atheists alone to their own confusions and state of
>deceptions.Also, they show evidence of fear and phobias of
>presentation given by many Christians,so using
>insults,vulgarities,rudeness,incivility,ridicules and hate; besides
>telling lies to all and incite hatred and basking among themselves
>with the glorious insults which they claimed superior,
Who is they?
>chit-chatting
>among themselves ?
Oh didn't you know? This is not a schoolroom for theists
to lecture us in reverend silence. This is a newsgroup, an
open forum, where you take equal precedence to everybody else.
You should have enquired first if you want to lecture in
rapt unqestioning silence so we can tell you 'no'.
>There are objections by rational atheists; who question why the
>scientific communities were not well informed about the many wondrous
>claims from Christians regarding wonders and the spiritual
>dimension?
There are? Good.
>
>There were visitations of Jesus in physical form seen by many folks
>throughout the centuries since he was raised from the earth. The many
>dead were raised to life. Healing of sick folks, by divine encounters
>to the tune of the many millions in our world today; cancers
>disappeared, HIV/Aids healed, crippled walk, amputees had their limbs
>restored, demons were cast out from human bodies.
Do you wish me to accept this just on your say so?
>
>How shall they hear and know, if information is not handed out to
>them? If witnesses and physical evidence were preserved, and hand out
>to the skeptics, will they believe?
>Are we not to assume that there are dishonest individuals trying to
>corrupt scriptures, evidence, tampered it and challenge it?
You can assume what you like but it is your assumption and
your opinion not ours.
>People who challenge evidence presented by Christian, will be accepted
>only when honesty and objectivity were seen.
Well I cannot speak for others but I am not seeking your acceptance
ayway you mean nothing to me. Your problem seems to be your desire to
persuade us of whatever you believe and that we accept it
unquestioned.
You will just have to learn that expecting people to accept things
just on your say-so unquestioned no longer works.
Maybe it is you who needs acceptance from us first. You will
certainly not achieve that by storming in here hurling insults,
lies and demands.
>
>Imagine, how can anyone not be able to say, Frankie�s evidence of God
>is superior and must be accepted?, ...simply because nobody challenge
>his reasonable messages with objectivity? They ridicule. Insult. They
>never went against his main points. They have yet to refute his main
>theme of the messages. They told him not to share. They accuse him of
>being a liar. They asked him to leave the newsgroups and go to
>elsewhere. They used vulgarities?
You reap what you sow Frank
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:45:36 -0800 (PST), Frankie Lee
<leea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I expect a bunch of dishonorable men--Atheists are always
liars,dishonest,for they have no accountability to God and will do
anything,by hook and by crook to achieve their aims,and their aims of
deceits.
You certainly cannot expect respect from us when you show us only
this degree of direspect. Tit-for-tat Frank
To date you have not apologised to me for your gross insult
against me, an atheist. How do you think you would feel
if I were to tell you that you would do anything, by hook and by crook
to achieve your aims, and your aims of deceits? To date you have
yet to demonstrate that you are not trying to decieve us with
false beliefs. We need more than your say-so for that Frank.
>The physical book, the Bible is evidence of God.
It is not evidence of god. It is evidence that the writers
beleved there was a god.
>God�s words are proves of God�s existence.
It would be if we knew what 'god's words were.
>God�s thoughts are proves.
[you mean proofs you prove things with proofs]
God's thoughts would indeed be proofs if we knew what
they were.
All we find in the Bible are words written by men who
believed there was a god.
> His moral Laws.
>His concepts. His assertions. His presence. His punishments on
>sinners. His divine wisdom. His miracles. His creations.
>The Cosmos. The universe.
>
>Wait a minute, you may say? That is not proofs.
Nope it the beliefs of other men claiming to know the
words and thoughts of a god. Nothing more
Are you expecting us to believe what they write just
on their say-so?
>I say, then, what is evidence?
Well it is not just you say so Frank or the say-so of
others.
>Many ET showed evidence of bones, and then made bombastic claims and
>exaggerated claims that it was millions of years old.Ardi had no long
>sharp canine teeth, so she was a peace loving �animal�, which they had
>said. Hitler also had no long sharp canine teeth, so his skeleton
>remains is evidence to show he must be a peace loving human.
Are you wanting to change the subject Frank? You were discussing
your inability to persuade of your belefs thinking we should accept
what you say just on your say-so.
Now you are talking about Natural history for some reason and
slandering natural scientists without good reason. Don't you think it
a bit hypocritical of you to think you can hurl insults at everybody
and not get some in return?
You are not entirely innocent when it comes to bombasic claims
when you demand we accept them just of you say-so and then say
nasty things about us when we do not.
>Never mind the fact that we know of Holocaust and history and
>testimonials of others who confirmed to us of what he was.
Right but it is not relevant to your moaning about being unable to
convince us of your beliefs. That's your failing not ours.
>Never mind the fact that we know bacteria decays will eat any bones
>to�ashes�if it were thousand of years; or the inference that countless
>of more recent bones are most likely to be discovered first, rather
>than impossible finds of bone that could survive million of years, nor
>the fact there are no scientific consensus at all to begin with.
Now you are rambling. Have you lost the point of your own
post?
>�Believe�, is the word isn�t it? Just because you appeal to the
>academy of science so you are correct, and I appeal to the bible so I
>am correct? It boils down to our own acceptance and analysis and
>discernment, isn�t it?
>Many believe that the words of scientists must be accepted
Do they? How strange. Not very sensible I would have thought.
I certainly don't
>because
>they have better understanding than us, and they can prove
>scientifically whereas the Christians cannot.
Really!
>Can you not see why Atheist and the world sob and howl as loud as they
>can when I quote some words from a scientist name: Albert Einstein?
I do not recall any atheists sobbing and howling about
your quoting Einsten Frankie.
>Base on their set of thinking, so I proposed: Einstein said that Jesus
>is no myth. Christianity cannot be dismissed. Jesus is divine,
>according to him.
And you want us to accept what you clam Einstein said just
on your say so when you could, and should have, provided quotes?
>Christianity declared that Jesus is the Lord and Savior of mankind,
>and Jesus is alive and Jesus is God.
Well it would wouldn't it. So what Frankie?
>An honest folk would then believe in God and Jesus, and that is
>reasonable if he harbors that thinking, and I applaud that.
Do you think declaring something is so make it so?
>Then all Atheists who believe in Science and who appeal to the
>authority-words of scientists, kow-towed and case closed.
Only because you say so Frankie.
>Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
Einsten wrote that not you. Please cite when you quote.
>Does anyone dispute scientific experience to prove some theories or
>sets of beliefs?
Yes I do. Science is not about proof but the gaining of knowledge.
What religon did he mean Frankie ?He did not say Christianity did
he?
>What are the most rational and most reasonable methods to prove Jesus
>is alive and real and that God is real and He existed as a Person, and
>not an idol?
That's your claims Frankie only you can know how you think you
know there is a god as you claim
What I can tell you is that expecting ordinary people, let alone
atheists who have actuality given the matter serious thought, to
accept what you theists say just on your say so does not work anymore.
The world has moved on the churches are steadly emptying and you
don't get it. You will be left behind as yesterdays men if you do not
catch up and get with it.
>
>Everyone knows that the triumph of the Christian Faith lies in the
>resurrection of Jesus Christ. The reliability of the Bible had this as
>a foundation, too.
Well we know it has been claimed.
We also know all kinds of things are claimed for the Bible
We are not short of claims, there is a world surplus of
that commodity.
>
>Some folks objected to the Noah�s flood accounts as unbelievable
>tales. Adam and Eve as mere stories. But if we are talking about a
>supernatural Being known as God, does He not able to supernaturally
>cause the flood, since He had created the whole universe?
You have yet to establish there is such a creature. Or that this
flood actually occurred.
>US $ had �God� written on it, it is a written-witness of God�s
>existence. The problem is, whether one believes God or not.
Only a problem for you. Not for us.
>
>BC/AD-Before Christ and The year of our Lord,were language in English
>marking histories.Now people tried to change English Language,on that
>aspect.
Good.
Not try frankie, succeed. This year is 2009 CE.
>Since evidences can be interpreted in many thousand ways, then what we
>need to ascertain something is by mean of Proof.
Agreed
>How then to have Proof that God exists? (Not evidence)(Note the
>difference)
>EXPERIMENTATION.EXPERIENCE.TEST.OBSERVABLE.
No idea Frankie it is your claim not mine and nothing to do
with me.
And yes we do know the difference between proof and
evidence and that you cannot have the former without
the latter
>1,Upon death, one will experience Hell-fires burning him/her, �with�
>gnashing of teeth,weeping;and discover that one is lock up in that
>furnace forever. This is invincible proof, once a person enters death,
>and for one who have yet to experience.
Yes it would be if true. On the other hand we may be just dead
and no longer exist to know it.
Your belief, your call.
>So one can have �proof� whether it is real or true by experiencing
>death, validating the Bible or disproving the Bible.
Indeed. No good whilst we are alive is it?
>2, Calling the name of Lord Jesus here and now, using live experiments
>here and now, and not wait till death occurs.
>Now, since Jesus is alive and being Omnipresent, and He is God and is
>a living being, is it not reasonable or rational to call him, by sheer
>experimentation?
Go on then. Don't let me stop you.
>
>Many of you wanted Proof, and here I show you how. But if you, by
>saying Experimentation and by real experience with a living person are
>flawed in science and you disbelieve that Experimentation is a
>scientific method, then show me, what is sane, what is reasonable and
>what is logical?
>But then you have to follow my set rules.
Ah, there's the rub
>a, No pseudo-scientist is allowed.
>b, You must chose to be honest and objective.
ok being honest and objective I will recognise that you have
not shown a god exists as you claim and that callng on
something I do not believe exists would be dishonest
and stupid
>c, You should do exactly as I say.
Why?
>d, Be humble.
Always try to be Frankie. Are you being humble when you make
these demands of us?
>---------***
>Say out loud,� Dear Lord Jesus,
How can I do that when I do not believe such a creature
exists? You asked me to be honest remember?
>Frankie say I can call you, and you will show proofs to me.
>I am a sinner. I admit that. But I want my sins cleansed. I want to be
>saved.
but I do not believe that Frankie so it would be dishonest for
me to say that.
>If you are true and real, and there is a Heaven and Hell, I want to
>know that.
>You are free to work in me, by your power as God, and set my thinking
>and mindsets in proper.
I do not regard my thinking is improper to start wih Frankie, quite
the reverse.
>
>I renounce lies and all deceptions.
Already done so Frankie but not to something I do not believe
exists
>
>So help me,God.
Again I do not believe there is a god to help.
>-----------***
>
>3,Now,I have shown evidence, followed up by experimentation where
>everybody can take their part.
The only evidence you show us Frankie is your violation of
this newsgroups charter which forbids the proselytising of religion
and attemptng to lead people in your worthless prayers is a
gross violation of that especially when you want us to be dishonest
in order to do it.
This is not a proper place for religion to be promoted and voolates
your posting priviledges.
Your right to post brings responsiblities to post in an appropriate
way and not violate the rights of others. It is inappropriate
to post where it has been made abundantly clear it is not
welcome as it violates the rights of others.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>If anyone participate the experimentation, then they are in a position
>to testify.
>The truths will show.
>Is this a reasonable test?
>Is experience necessary?
Cannot take the test Frankie and not betray my honesty. Sorry, no
can do. My honesty and integrity is important to me.
>
>If anyone rebut anything not concerning about the above,or the main
>point about Experimentation,distract the main points,may I ask,what
>for?
Could you possibly clarify what you say here without gratuitous
insult? Thank you
Far too many crossposts removed. I wish to post responsibly
if I can
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Devils Advocaat
If you are so certain of your claims, you should already have the
evidence.
If you have no evidence, then the claims are nothing more than
falsehoods.
Erwin Moller
Jeez man, that is a very stupid response.
Congratulations.
"Can you wait?"
We have been waiting for thousands of years for the slightest piece of
proof for God. So far nobody delivered *any*.
How much longer must we wait?
To be honest: I am getting a little impatient.
Erwin Moller
>
> Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
> regret found in Hell, for, God finds no delight in granting a person
> what they always wanted while on earth : Great distance from him due
> to overwhelming human pride.
Such a horrible God...
What happened to that friendly bearded chap that loved us all?
And here is my usual question: How do you know in what God finds
delights and in what not?
When did you become so horrifying arrogant to think you know what God
likes and doesn't?
And you accuse us of overwhelming pride.....
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
This is where Frankie started from, medical miracles that he provides no
evidence for. He just expects you to believe him.. You bring up all
the right points, ask all the right questions.
Frankie will have none of that, you infidel, hell bound heathen. You
just don't have enough faith, and Frankie knows that you need faith to
believe in what Frankie says is true.
Frankie Lee is a putz, best left in the bit bucket of the Internet,
ignored for his foolishness and childish ways.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
http://azhotops.blogspot.com
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
BAAWA Knight Sir Karl of the Solaris Media
____________________________________________________________________
SkyEyes
> Why you will burn in Hell?
<Snip drivel>
Threats again. That's all you've got, Frankie-stein. Threats.
I piss on your threats. I fart in their general direction.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
SkyEyes
So how's the prayer coming for my amputee boyfriend, Frankie? He's
waited 41 years, how long do you expect him to keep waiting? So far
there's no indication that his missing limbs are regenerating. When
can we expect that to happen? When is your god going to get on the
problem?
Brian E. Clark
@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, leea...@yahoo.com says...
> In order for me to prove God=3Fs existence, is it not reasonable for me
> to show evidence what God had said, what God had pronounced and what
> great things God told to others and His dealings with an entire
> country, Israel, and His servants and people and Christians?
No, this is not a reasonable means of proving God's
existence.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
Hope Simmers
> Why you will burn in Hell?
Will you be my guide in hell? Frankie say hell yeah!
One of my sources just forwarded me a copy of a rather intriguing
document about Frankie Lee. In the remainder of this post, I plan to
summarize the contents of that document in an effort to test the
assumptions that underlie Frankie's theories. Although my approach may
appear a bit pedantic, by setting some generative point of view
against a structural-taxonomical point of view or vice versa, I intend
to argue that if Frankie were as bright as he thinks he is, he'd know
that it's because of his willingness to prevaricate and equivocate
that Frankie should think for himself. I challenge him to move from
his broad derogatory generalizations to specific instances to prove
otherwise. Did he get dropped on his head when he was young, or did
Frankie take massive doses of drugs to believe that we should derive
moral guidance from his glitzy, multi-culti, hip-hop, consumption-
oriented obiter dicta? I have searched numerous sources for answers to
that question. No two sources seem to agree on any given point except
for one: that Frankie's communications are a load of bunk. I use this
delightfully pejorative term, "bunk"—an alternative from the same page
of my criminal-slang lexicon would serve just as well—because I and
Frankie part company when it comes to the issue of jujuism. He feels
that everyone who scrambles aboard the Frankie Lee bandwagon is
guaranteed a smooth ride while I aver that he has convinced a lot of
people that censorship could benefit us. One must pause in admiration
at this triumph of media manipulation.
No matter how much talk and analysis occurs, Frankie argues that his
benighted terrorist organization is a benign and charitable agency. To
maintain this thesis, Frankie naturally has had to shovel away a
mountain of evidence, which he does by the desperate expedient of
claiming that everything is happy and fine and good. Worst of all, our
children's children would never forgive us for letting him break down
our communities.
Given Frankie's record of shady dealings, we can say that he wants to
mortgage away our future. Personally, I don't want that. Personally, I
prefer freedom. If you also prefer freedom then you should be working
with me to raise a stink about Frankie and his cranky ploys.
While there are many militant spongers, Frankie is the most
ostentatious of the lot. If Fate desired that he make a correct
application of what he had read about Dadaism it would have to
indicate title and page number since the vengeful chucklehead would
otherwise never in all his life find the correct place. But since Fate
does not do this, if he believes that all it takes to solve our social
woes are shotgun marriages, heavy-handed divorce laws, and a return to
some mythical 1950s Shangri-la, then it's obvious why he thinks that
the rest of us are an inferior group of people, fit only to be
enslaved, beaten, and butchered at the whim of our betters.
A colleague recently informed me that a bunch of beer-guzzling
perverts and others in Frankie's amen corner are about to produce a
new generation of dour despots whose opinions and prejudices, far from
being enlightened and challenged, are simply legitimized. I have no
reason to doubt that story because given a choice of having Frankie
conjure up dirt against his fellow human beings or having my bicuspids
extracted sans Novocaine, I would embrace the pliers, purchase some
Polident Partials, and call it a day. The most sobering aspect of his
vaporings is that his endeavors are lewd. They're unnecessary. They're
counterproductive. Whenever I encounter them I think that if you can
go more than a minute without hearing Frankie talk about Pyrrhonism,
you're either deaf, dumb, or in a serious case of denial.
I've been rolling up my sleeves in preparation for a long, hard battle
against vicious hedonists, period. Consequently, Frankie's threats
emphasize the formation of small units of brutal adherents that can
avoid detection by authorities, strike quickly and disperse, and, to
some extent, separate people from their roots and cut their bonds to
their natural communities. It follows from this that he can't fool me.
I've met tyrannical, froward loan sharks before so I know that when
Frankie says that he acts in the name of equality and social justice,
he's just plain wrong—not "partially wrong" but "thoroughly and
completely wrong". Let's remember that.
Instead of friends, Frankie has victims and protégés who end up as
victims. I unquestionably feel sorry for the lot of them. I also feel
that throughout history, there has been a clash between those who wish
to make this world a better place in which to live and those who wish
to start wars, ruin the environment, invent diseases, and routinely do
a hundred other things that kill people. Naturally, Frankie belongs to
the latter category.
I may be questioning the regnant conventional wisdom by stating this
but maybe Frankie can't possibly believe that I'm some sort of cully
who can be duped into believing that he has been robbed of all he does
not possess. He's naive but he's not that naive. He seems to have
recently added the word "phenomenalistic" to his otherwise simplistic
vocabulary. I suppose Frankie intends to use big words like that to
obscure the fact that I can no longer get very excited about any
revelation of his hypocrisy or crookedness. It's what I've come to
expect by now. I didn't want to talk about this. I really didn't. But
he generally tries to keep his distance from the chthonic,
longiloquent ranters who reduce human beings and many other living
organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine.
However, Frankie sees nothing wrong with making my blood curdle. Ah
the sweet, sweet smell of hypocrisy.
By allowing Frankie to hand over the country to scummy, presumptuous
slobs we are selling our souls for dross. Instead, we should be
striving to provide people the wherewithal to warn the public against
those unregenerate megalomaniacs whose positive accomplishments are
always practically nil but whose conceit can scarcely be excelled. The
real question here is not, "Will the world ever be free of brainless
lotharios like him?". The real question is rather, "Is Man to be free
to follow his conscience and worship as he sees fit or must he accept
a conscience and god provided to him by Frankie?" If you were to ask
that of Frankie, he'd sincerely fling a large barrage of insults in
your direction instead of actually addressing the question. His
partisans are stampeding happily and mindlessly toward the precipice
of misinformed, ill-natured prætorianism. The same might be said of
self-aggrandizing ninnies.
When I first heard about Frankie's calumnies, I didn't know whether to
laugh, because Frankie's undertakings are so irrational, or cry,
because Frankie's viewpoints represent a backward step of hundreds of
years, a backward step into a chasm with no bottom save the endless
darkness of death. Let Frankie's insensate double standards stand as
evidence that if I had to choose the most stolid specimen from
Frankie's welter of humorless gabble, it would have to be Frankie's
claim that his paroxysms are all sweetness and light. Disloyal
sententious-types are more susceptible to Frankie's brainwashing
tactics than are any other group. Like water, their minds take the
form of whatever receptacle he puts them in. They then lose all
recollection that Frankie is the type of person that turns up his nose
at people like you and me. I guess that's because we haven't the
faintest notion about the things that really matter such as why it
would be good for him to represent a threat to all the people in the
area, indeed, possibly the world. The end.
Finally yours,
Hope Simmers
Uncle Vic
> Why you will burn in Hell?
>
> It has been always the dream of burglars to hope that all the goods
> stolen from a house shall be his, and without getting discovered and
> later on to be punished.
>
> In order for me to prove God�s existence, is it not reasonable for me
> to show evidence what God had said, what God had pronounced and what
> great things God told to others and His dealings with an entire
> country, Israel, and His servants and people and Christians?
Yes because testimonials are not evidence.
>
> HAS IT BEEN UNREASONABLE FOR ME TO SHOW PROOFS,BY MEANS OF ASSERTIONS,
> and TESTIMONIALS OF OTHERS?
They are not evidence. Produce your god, and have it do what the bible
says it can do, right in front of me. Or have it do something science
can't do. Have it cure an amputee.
Mustn't test god? That's a copout. Your copouts mean you are unable to
provide evidence your god exists.
>
> How to begin to prove if one doesn�t make assertions first? Is it not
> true that a claim is made first and then back-up claims of evidence
> came later?
You've made the claims. Where's the backup?
>
> On one hand, Atheist�s Medias censored documentations of proofs, the
> irrefutable evidence of God, they covered up, and told witnesses to
> shut up,
We've refuted your "irrefutable evidence of god". It's not irrefutable.
Continuing to cite "evidence" that's already been refuted is akin to
lying.
> to leave Atheists alone to their own confusions and state of
> deceptions.Also, they show evidence of fear and phobias of
> presentation given by many Christians,
Liar.
> so using
> insults,vulgarities,rudeness,incivility,ridicules and hate; besides
> telling lies to all and incite hatred and basking among themselves
> with the glorious insults which they claimed superior, chit-chatting
> among themselves ?
>
> There are objections by rational atheists; who question why the
> scientific communities were not well informed about the many wondrous
> claims from Christians regarding wonders and the spiritual
> dimension?
>
> There were visitations of Jesus in physical form seen by many folks
> throughout the centuries since he was raised from the earth.
Let me ask you something. Why did he go away in the first place? Making
him invisible, and consequently visible only to a few, casts serious
doubt on your stories. Like a child who swears he's seen a monster in
his closet. Why does the monster go away when a rational person looks in
the closet?
> The many
> dead were raised to life.
Lie
> Healing of sick folks, by divine encounters
> to the tune of the many millions in our world today;
Lie
> cancers
> disappeared,
Lie
> HIV/Aids healed,
Lie
> crippled walk,
Lie
> amputees had their limbs
> restored,
Atrocious lie
> demons were cast out from human bodies.
Absurd lie
>
> How shall they hear and know, if information is not handed out to
> them?
It's wrong information, and it's all a lie. If you can't see this,
you're delusional. You want to believe it sooooo bad you'll believe the
claims of others without question.
We question.
And all you can produce are more lies.
> If witnesses and physical evidence were preserved, and hand out
> to the skeptics, will they believe?
If there was credible evidence your jesus character ever existed, there
would be no need to *believe*.
> Are we not to assume that there are dishonest individuals trying to
> corrupt scriptures, evidence, tampered it and challenge it?
If that's what you believe, you're welcome to it. Don't try to force it
on others.
>
> People who challenge evidence presented by Christian, will be accepted
> only when honesty and objectivity were seen.
Show some, then.
>
> Imagine, how can anyone not be able to say, Frankie�s evidence of God
> is superior and must be accepted?, ...simply because nobody challenge
> his reasonable messages with objectivity? They ridicule. Insult. They
> never went against his main points. They have yet to refute his main
> theme of the messages. They told him not to share. They accuse him of
> being a liar. They asked him to leave the newsgroups and go to
> elsewhere. They used vulgarities?
Poor baby. Judging your first posts, I've already determined you're a
loony. There's nothing to debate.
>
> The physical book, the Bible is evidence of God.
No, it is not. That's a circular argument, and it's up there in the top
ten christian assertions.
If the bible is evidence of god, why did bible stuff stop happening when
the story was over?
> God�s words are
> proves of God�s existence.
Superman comics are evidence of Superman's existence.
> God�s thoughts are proves.
Evidence for "god's thoughts" please.
> His moral Laws.
...are OUR moral laws.
> His concepts.
YOUR concepts.
> His assertions.
YOUR assertions.
> His presence.
Evidence please.
> His punishments on
> sinners.
Evidence please.
> His divine wisdom. His miracles.
Evidence please.
> His creations.
Explained by science through evolution.
> The Cosmos. The universe.
Explained by science through astronomy.
>
> Wait a minute, you may say? That is not proofs. I say, then, what is
> evidence?
If you don't know by now, we're not getting through to you. You're a
christian. Which means you're uneducatable. You won't see what I mean
until you question your own faith.
<snip a lot of bullshit>
>
> How then to have Proof that God exists? (Not evidence)(Note the
> difference)
> EXPERIMENTATION.EXPERIENCE.TEST.OBSERVABLE.
>
> 1,Upon death, one will experience Hell-fires burning him/her, �with�
> gnashing of teeth,weeping;and discover that one is lock up in that
> furnace forever. This is invincible proof, once a person enters death,
> and for one who have yet to experience.
There's the monster in the closet again. Nobody has come back from death
to tell us about this, so we have to accept your word that it's true. I
call bullshit. What are you going to do now?
>
> So one can have �proof� whether it is real or true by experiencing
> death, validating the Bible or disproving the Bible.
OK, you test it. I'll watch.
>
> 2, Calling the name of Lord Jesus here and now, using live experiments
> here and now, and not wait till death occurs.
> Now, since Jesus is alive and being Omnipresent, and He is God and is
> a living being, is it not reasonable or rational to call him, by sheer
> experimentation?
>
> Many of you wanted Proof, and here I show you how. But if you, by
> saying Experimentation and by real experience with a living person are
> flawed in science and you disbelieve that Experimentation is a
> scientific method, then show me, what is sane, what is reasonable and
> what is logical?
>
> But then you have to follow my set rules.
> a, No pseudo-scientist is allowed.
> b, You must chose to be honest and objective.
> c, You should do exactly as I say.
> d, Be humble.
> ---------***
> Say out loud,� Dear Lord Jesus,
>
> Frankie say I can call you, and you will show proofs to me.
> I am a sinner. I admit that. But I want my sins cleansed. I want to be
> saved.
> If you are true and real, and there is a Heaven and Hell, I want to
> know that.
> You are free to work in me, by your power as God, and set my thinking
> and mindsets in proper.
>
> I renounce lies and all deceptions.
>
> So help me,God.
> -----------***
>
> 3,Now,I have shown evidence, followed up by experimentation where
> everybody can take their part.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------- If anyone participate the
> experimentation, then they are in a position to testify.
I tried it three times. Nothing happens. That is my testimony. You are
selling worthless snake oil. We don't want any.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Christians are like Slinkys. They're boring, but they'll put a smile on
your face when you push them down the stairs.
Uncle Vic
> ***Frankie's reply: From your arrogance,your follies are
> displayed.***Created in the minds of insecure humans?
Allow yourself to question your faith. You'll see what we mean.
Uncle Vic
wrote:
> Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
> regret found in Hell, for, God finds no delight in granting a person
> what they always wanted while on earth : Great distance from him due
> to overwhelming human pride.
The circle-jerk session is next door.
Uncle Vic
I've been waiting for 53 years. Mankind has been waiting for thousands.
Are you dangling a carrot?
Here's a free clue, Wankie. Nobody here believes you. It should be
your top priority to present real objective evidence ASAP. Until then,
we laugh at you, imbecile.
Uncle Vic
>> > Why you will burn in Hell?
>>
>> You have yet to prove that this hell thing actually exists, much less
>> prove that anyone will burn in it.
>
> ***How do we know Hell is real and it exists?Since Jesus said it is
> true and real,and I believe Him.
> Are there any witness of people who went there,seen it and come back
> to life?Yes.Who are there?
>
> Many.Go to you tube and check for yourself.
And there you go again.
Assertion: Hell exists. An invisible man told you it was true. You
believe the invisible man, so everyone else should too. Or else they
will go to Hell.
What geometrical shape does that argument seem to represent, Wankie?
Brian E. Clark
@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, leea...@yahoo.com says...
> Why you will burn in Hell?
Because I touched myself when I was nine?
(Or should that be, "since I was nine"?)
Uncle Vic
> ***Let me quickly tell you how I think.Like in those days where the
> crusades vs the Islamists.There might have a repeat of History.Islamic
> faith is very wicked and dangerous,and intimidating.Their colors is
> shown from Shariah Banking to political manoeuvrings in the UN.
Can you prove that your faith is somehow truer than theirs?
>
> Their greatest fear is never Atheist.Simply,the Atheist has no
> supernatural power,and most unlike have never seen one perhaps in
> their lifetime.What make it worst was,Atheist suppose by mere natural
> logic and intellectual reasoning can win the fight for a more
> saner,humane society.
>
> The forces of evil are very spiritual.The Bible talk of the struggles
> are pitted against the Demons and wicked spirits in high places.Eph
> 6:12
>
> The tides of Islamic evils can only be stop by the increase majority
> of Christians,who would stand by the principles of the founding
> Fathers of USA.This is the only practical step against Islamic
> terrorism.
Fight fire with fire! Let's breed more so we can out-soldier them! Who
cares if we destroy the earth in the process? What lies beyond is far
more important than this!
I have just quickly told you how you think, from a realist's standpoint.
>
> And,Christians must be expose to the spiritual world.
Your post is mired in superstition. It has nothing to do with the real
world.
Ralph
> On Nov 11, 12:36 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Why you will burn in Hell?
>>
>> It has been always the dream of burglars to hope that all the goods
>> stolen from a house shall be his, and without getting discovered and
>> later on to be punished.
>>
>> to show evidence what God had said, what God had pronounced and what
>> great things God told to others and His dealings with an entire
>> country, Israel, and His servants and people and Christians?
>>
>> HAS IT BEEN UNREASONABLE FOR ME TO SHOW PROOFS,BY MEANS OF ASSERTIONS,
>> and TESTIMONIALS OF OTHERS?
>>
>> true that a claim is made first and then back-up claims of evidence
>> came later?
>>
>> is superior and must be accepted?, ...simply because nobody challenge
>> his reasonable messages with objectivity? They ridicule. Insult. They
>> never went against his main points. They have yet to refute his main
>> theme of the messages. They told him not to share. They accuse him of
>> being a liar. They asked him to leave the newsgroups and go to
>> elsewhere. They used vulgarities?
>>
>> proves of God�s existence. God�s thoughts are proves. His moral Laws.
>> His concepts. His assertions. His presence. His punishments on
>> sinners. His divine wisdom. His miracles. His creations.
>> The Cosmos. The universe.
>>
>> Wait a minute, you may say? That is not proofs. I say, then, what is
>> evidence?
>>
>> Many ET showed evidence of bones, and then made bombastic claims and
>> exaggerated claims that it was millions of years old.Ardi had no long
>> said. Hitler also had no long sharp canine teeth, so his skeleton
>> remains is evidence to show he must be a peace loving human.
>>
>> Never mind the fact that we know of Holocaust and history and
>> testimonials of others who confirmed to us of what he was.
>>
>> Never mind the fact that we know bacteria decays will eat any bones
>> of more recent bones are most likely to be discovered first, rather
>> than impossible finds of bone that could survive million of years, nor
>> the fact there are no scientific consensus at all to begin with.
>>
>> academy of science so you are correct, and I appeal to the bible so I
>> am correct? It boils down to our own acceptance and analysis and
>>
>> Many believe that the words of scientists must be accepted because
>> they have better understanding than us, and they can prove
>> scientifically whereas the Christians cannot.
>>
>> Can you not see why Atheist and the world sob and howl as loud as they
>> can when I quote some words from a scientist name: Albert Einstein?
>>
>> Base on their set of thinking, so I proposed: Einstein said that Jesus
>> is no myth. Christianity cannot be dismissed. Jesus is divine,
>> according to him.
>>
>> Christianity declared that Jesus is the Lord and Savior of mankind,
>> and Jesus is alive and Jesus is God.
>>
>> An honest folk would then believe in God and Jesus, and that is
>> reasonable if he harbors that thinking, and I applaud that.
>>
>> Then all Atheists who believe in Science and who appeal to the
>> authority-words of scientists, kow-towed and case closed.
>>
>> Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
>>
>> Does anyone dispute scientific experience to prove some theories or
>> sets of beliefs?
>> What are the most rational and most reasonable methods to prove Jesus
>> is alive and real and that God is real and He existed as a Person, and
>> not an idol?
>>
>> Everyone knows that the triumph of the Christian Faith lies in the
>> resurrection of Jesus Christ. The reliability of the Bible had this as
>> a foundation, too.
>>
>> tales. Adam and Eve as mere stories. But if we are talking about a
>> supernatural Being known as God, does He not able to supernaturally
>> cause the flood, since He had created the whole universe?
>>
>> existence. The problem is, whether one believes God or not.
>>
>> BC/AD-Before Christ and The year of our Lord,were language in English
>> marking histories.Now people tried to change English Language,on that
>> aspect.
>>
>> Since evidences can be interpreted in many thousand ways, then what we
>> need to ascertain something is by mean of Proof.
>>
>> How then to have Proof that God exists? (Not evidence)(Note the
>> difference)
>> EXPERIMENTATION.EXPERIENCE.TEST.OBSERVABLE.
>>
>> gnashing of teeth,weeping;and discover that one is lock up in that
>> furnace forever. This is invincible proof, once a person enters death,
>> and for one who have yet to experience.
>>
>> death, validating the Bible or disproving the Bible.
>>
>> 2, Calling the name of Lord Jesus here and now, using live experiments
>> here and now, and not wait till death occurs.
>> Now, since Jesus is alive and being Omnipresent, and He is God and is
>> a living being, is it not reasonable or rational to call him, by sheer
>> experimentation?
>>
>> Many of you wanted Proof, and here I show you how. But if you, by
>> saying Experimentation and by real experience with a living person are
>> flawed in science and you disbelieve that Experimentation is a
>> scientific method, then show me, what is sane, what is reasonable and
>> what is logical?
>>
>> But then you have to follow my set rules.
>> a, No pseudo-scientist is allowed.
>> b, You must chose to be honest and objective.
>> c, You should do exactly as I say.
>> d, Be humble.
>> ---------***
>>
>> Frankie say I can call you, and you will show proofs to me.
>> I am a sinner. I admit that. But I want my sins cleansed. I want to be
>> saved.
>> If you are true and real, and there is a Heaven and Hell, I want to
>> know that.
>> You are free to work in me, by your power as God, and set my thinking
>> and mindsets in proper.
>>
>> I renounce lies and all deceptions.
>>
>> So help me,God.
>> -----------***
>>
>> 3,Now,I have shown evidence, followed up by experimentation where
>> everybody can take their part.
>> If anyone participate the experimentation, then they are in a position
>> to testify.
>> The truths will show.
>> Is this a reasonable test?
>> Is experience necessary?
>>
>> If anyone rebut anything not concerning about the above,or the main
>> point about Experimentation,distract the main points,may I ask,what
>> for?
>
> Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
> regret found in Hell, for, God finds no delight in granting a person
> what they always wanted while on earth : Great distance from him due
> to overwhelming human pride.
Don't worry Fundie Dave, no one on this forum will. For that matter nor
will anyone on any forum:-))))).
VoiceOfReason
Frankie Lee wrote:
> Why you will burn in Hell?
Why do you use fear to try to sell religion?
panam...@hotmail.com
snip crap
I think Alice did it much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNm7dKjXIYo
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
Free Lunch
"IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote in
<a958aa5c-50d1-42ea...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
...
>Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
>regret found in Hell, for, God finds no delight in granting a person
>what they always wanted while on earth : Great distance from him due
>to overwhelming human pride.
What would you say to God if He told you that no one goes to Hell and
that the invention of Hell offends Him? Would it bother you that He
would forgive everyone, even the people who point out that you are a
jerk, a fool, a liar and intentionally ignorant?
panam...@hotmail.com
snip
> Their greatest fear is never Atheist.Simply,the Atheist has no
> supernatural power,
Don't need it. We got nukes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_the_United_Kingdom
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/France/FranceOrigin.html
If things keep going like they are with young people in the US, you
can probably add that arsenal as well in the next generation or two.
JohnN
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
> > regret found in Hell, for, God finds no delight in granting a person
> > what they always wanted while on earth : Great distance from him due
> > to overwhelming human pride.
>
> Such a horrible God...
> What happened to that friendly bearded chap that loved us all?
Santa doesn't come until December 25 and then he too will separate the
naughty and nice.
> And here is my usual question: How do you know in what God finds
> delights and in what not?
Dollars to doughnuts god delights in the same things Frankie does.
JohnN
Mark Evans
> stolen from a house shall be his, and without getting discovered and
> later on to be punished.
>
> to show evidence what God had said, what God had pronounced and what
> great things God told to others and His dealings with an entire
> country, Israel, and His servants and people and Christians?
>
> HAS IT BEEN UNREASONABLE FOR ME TO SHOW PROOFS,BY MEANS OF ASSERTIONS,
> and TESTIMONIALS OF OTHERS?
>
> true that a claim is made first and then back-up claims of evidence
> came later?
>
> is superior and must be accepted?, ...simply because nobody challenge
> his reasonable messages with objectivity? They ridicule. Insult. They
> never went against his main points. They have yet to refute his main
> theme of the messages. They told him not to share. They accuse him of
> being a liar. They asked him to leave the newsgroups and go to
> elsewhere. They used vulgarities?
>
> proves of God’s existence. God’s thoughts are proves. His moral Laws.
> His concepts. His assertions. His presence. His punishments on
> sinners. His divine wisdom. His miracles. His creations.
> The Cosmos. The universe.
>
> Wait a minute, you may say? That is not proofs. I say, then, what is
> evidence?
>
> Many ET showed evidence of bones, and then made bombastic claims and
> exaggerated claims that it was millions of years old.Ardi had no long
> said. Hitler also had no long sharp canine teeth, so his skeleton
> remains is evidence to show he must be a peace loving human.
>
> Never mind the fact that we know of Holocaust and history and
> testimonials of others who confirmed to us of what he was.
>
> Never mind the fact that we know bacteria decays will eat any bones
> of more recent bones are most likely to be discovered first, rather
> than impossible finds of bone that could survive million of years, nor
> the fact there are no scientific consensus at all to begin with.
>
> academy of science so you are correct, and I appeal to the bible so I
> am correct? It boils down to our own acceptance and analysis and
>
> Many believe that the words of scientists must be accepted because
> they have better understanding than us, and they can prove
> scientifically whereas the Christians cannot.
>
> Can you not see why Atheist and the world sob and howl as loud as they
> can when I quote some words from a scientist name: Albert Einstein?
>
> Base on their set of thinking, so I proposed: Einstein said that Jesus
> is no myth. Christianity cannot be dismissed. Jesus is divine,
> according to him.
>
> Christianity declared that Jesus is the Lord and Savior of mankind,
> and Jesus is alive and Jesus is God.
>
> An honest folk would then believe in God and Jesus, and that is
> reasonable if he harbors that thinking, and I applaud that.
>
> Then all Atheists who believe in Science and who appeal to the
> authority-words of scientists, kow-towed and case closed.
>
> Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
>
> Does anyone dispute scientific experience to prove some theories or
> sets of beliefs?
> What are the most rational and most reasonable methods to prove Jesus
> is alive and real and that God is real and He existed as a Person, and
> not an idol?
>
> Everyone knows that the triumph of the Christian Faith lies in the
> resurrection of Jesus Christ. The reliability of the Bible had this as
> a foundation, too.
>
> tales. Adam and Eve as mere stories. But if we are talking about a
> supernatural Being known as God, does He not able to supernaturally
> cause the flood, since He had created the whole universe?
>
> existence. The problem is, whether one believes God or not.
>
> BC/AD-Before Christ and The year of our Lord,were language in English
> marking histories.Now people tried to change English Language,on that
> aspect.
>
> Since evidences can be interpreted in many thousand ways, then what we
> need to ascertain something is by mean of Proof.
>
> How then to have Proof that God exists? (Not evidence)(Note the
> difference)
> EXPERIMENTATION.EXPERIENCE.TEST.OBSERVABLE.
>
> gnashing of teeth,weeping;and discover that one is lock up in that
> furnace forever. This is invincible proof, once a person enters death,
> and for one who have yet to experience.
>
> death, validating the Bible or disproving the Bible.
>
> 2, Calling the name of Lord Jesus here and now, using live experiments
> here and now, and not wait till death occurs.
> Now, since Jesus is alive and being Omnipresent, and He is God and is
> a living being, is it not reasonable or rational to call him, by sheer
> experimentation?
>
> Many of you wanted Proof, and here I show you how. But if you, by
> saying Experimentation and by real experience with a living person are
> flawed in science and you disbelieve that Experimentation is a
> scientific method, then show me, what is sane, what is reasonable and
> what is logical?
>
> But then you have to follow my set rules.
> a, No pseudo-scientist is allowed.
> b, You must chose to be honest and objective.
> c, You should do exactly as I say.
> d, Be humble.
> ---------***
>
> Frankie say I can call you, and you will show proofs to me.
> I am a sinner. I admit that. But I want my sins cleansed. I want to be
> saved.
> If you are true and real, and there is a Heaven and Hell, I want to
> know that.
> You are free to work in me, by your power as God, and set my thinking
> and mindsets in proper.
>
> I renounce lies and all deceptions.
>
> So help me,God.
> -----------***
>
> 3,Now,I have shown evidence, followed up by experimentation where
> everybody can take their part.
> If anyone participate the experimentation, then they are in a position
> to testify.
> The truths will show.
> Is this a reasonable test?
> Is experience necessary?
>
> If anyone rebut anything not concerning about the above,or the main
> point about Experimentation,distract the main points,may I ask,what
> for?
Logic is not your native way of thinking, is it?
Mark Evans
Andy W
>
> Some folks objected to the Noah’s flood accounts as unbelievable
> tales.
Yes, and I told you why as well. You still can't come up with an
answer about the marine and plant life surviving so you squirm and
avoid the question, hoping it will sort itself out somehow. But it
won't. Your Bible is wrong.
Andy
Don Martin
God is an ignorant wanker?
-
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Steve Knight
<leea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
snip
>***How do we know Hell is real and it exists?Since Jesus said it is
>true and real,and I believe Him.
>Are there any witness of people who went there,seen it and come back
>to life?Yes.Who are there?
>
>Many.Go to you tube and check for yourself.
You want us to go to You Tube and check to see about who is in
hell?
Damn! You are good. You had me going. You really did. I fell for
it. All your posts, everything you wrote. I really thought you were a
dumb as a rock christian.
Whoever you are, hands down, you're the best Troll I've ever seen.
I'm not even mad.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
The Chief Instigator
> Why you will burn in Hell?
Why the bloody fuck are you obsessed with a tiny village in southeast
Michigan? (It's a bit colder than you'd want it to be, Wrecked Lee.)
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 5, San Antonio 2 (November 7)
NEXT GAME: Friday, November 13 at Lake Erie, 6:35
Frankie Lee
Me: Great American President like Ronald Reagan.
Frankie Lee
> One fine day in alt.atheism, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > ***Frankie's reply: From your arrogance,your follies are
> > displayed.***Created in the minds of insecure humans?
>
> Allow yourself to question your faith. You'll see what we mean.
>
> --
> Uncle Vic
> aa Atheist #2011
> Christians are like Slinkys. They're boring, but they'll put a smile on
> your face when you push them down the stairs.
***I had question my Faith deeply.Done.Finished.I know and is
sure,whom I have believed,and am persuaded that He is able to keep me.
Frankie Lee
***I tried it three times. Nothing happens. That is my testimony.
You are
selling worthless snake oil. We don't want any.
Frankie: You are lying through your teeth.If you had called on the
living Lord,something will happen.Has 7 days passed since I mentioned
the EXPERIMENTS?
Everyone knows I mentioned 7 day,because it is not the problem about
God,but your mindsets needed to be straighten,and what do you know of
spiritual war?
And further more,you accused me of selling snake oil,all the more
proves I am spot on on my Experimentation,and you are heaping dirt.
bob young
Frankie Lee wrote:
> On Nov 11, 5:55 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> > What is true is this - every god known on this planet [and there are tens of thousands of them], were all
> > created in the minds of insecure humans. The current four or five major 'beliefs' just happen to be in
> > vogue. Given a few thousand years more we may see a different set of gods worshipped by millions of
> > misguided people,
>
> ***Frankie's reply: From your arrogance,your follies are
> displayed.***Created in the minds of insecure humans?
>
> If I were to use your own rationales,(and you should believe your own
> logic of assertions and beliefs)....if I could show you,secure men and
> women,who had secure minds,stable,like Christ Jesus,or Einstein,then
> Christian religion must surely not have been created by feeble
> minds.Is that not correct?
Not quite - the term I used was 'insecure' a generalisation. Picking out one or two well known people is pointless. Einstein for
one had doubts about deities as many of his comments confirm.
I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics
to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind
it. (Albert Einstein, The Human Side)
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not
believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
[Albert Einstein in Albert Einstein: The Human Side,
edited by Helen Dukas (Einstein's secretary) and Banesh Hoffman, published by Princeton University Press.]
>
> By your logics-if I can find one guy out of a billion man,who is
> stable,having secure and sound minds,then all your assertions are mere
> empty/groundless.
Garbage
>
>
> So by your own rebuttals,it is against yourself.Are you not,in a
> way,shows yourself as misguided?Your concepts were all foolish,wrong
> and had to be discarded?
>
> By your theory as to what would happen in a thousand years?Jesus
> already predicted of His reign of a 1000 years here on earth.
ROFL. He should have left predictions and let the world at large know what he was doing from the cradle up to the age of about
twenty. The son of a universe creating god lives in obscurity during his most formative years ! Want facts - here's a fact -
the myth writers did not think this period was important in their rush to have him established, around the year 400, as their
prophet and start cashing in on Him.
Prove me wrong - but you can't so regrettably you will have to revert to more sarcasm, cuteness and heaven forbid, obsceneties
>
> Given your own assumptions,there will be more misguided people as time
> goes by,so human will become more and more stupid,
People will come to their senses, if you read my posts properly you will know
> rather than more and
> more smarter?The Bible says that human will have greater knowledge in
> the last days,at the same time,godlessness and immoralities would be
> rampant,leading them to a greater sufferings in eternity.
The Bible is an old book written by insecure primitives, why on earth would i want to take any notice of what is written in
there. The bible says nothing, it was those ancients doing all the talking.
Are we to follow this strange book literally? The Bible tells us to put to death those who work on the Sabbath [Exodus 35:2] and
that the eating of shellfish is a greater crime than homosexuality [Leviticus 11:10]
Biblical law allowed fathers to stone to death their rebellious sons, and soldiers to kill their enemies already captured men and
take their women as plunder. It condemns the wearing of two types of fabric at once, the lending of money for interest, and the
cutting one's hair.
Man should either follow the Bible completely or stop using it as a selective defense of intolerance
[By Christopher Gallager]
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > The chance is small of course because:-
> >
> > 1) Religions are on the wane with a shortage of priests worldwide
> >
> > 2) We may not live to see it, since a war between Islam and Christianity, being nuclear, may well wipe
> > out the entire world population, all on the names of imaginary gods.
> >
> > 3) The steady march of scientific discovery will continue to chip away the facades of religions until the
> > time comes when praying to an imaginary god will be as rare as seeing someone 'taking snuff' is today.
> >
> > Bob
> > Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
> >
> > Man creates his gods in his own image,
> > then spends the rest of his life
> > manipulating them to his heart's content
> >
> > R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
> > an escape from life's realities and hardships,
> > sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
> >
> >
> >
> > > On one hand, Atheist£s Medias censored documentations of proofs, the
> > > irrefutable evidence of God, they covered up, and told witnesses to
> > > shut up, to leave Atheists alone to their own confusions and state of
> > > deceptions.Also, they show evidence of fear and phobias of
> > > presentation given by many Christians,so using
> > > insults,vulgarities,rudeness,incivility,ridicules and hate; besides
> > > telling lies to all and incite hatred and basking among themselves
> > > with the glorious insults which they claimed superior, chit-chatting
> > > among themselves ?
> >
> > > There are objections by rational atheists; who question why the
> > > scientific communities were not well informed about the many wondrous
> > > claims from Christians regarding wonders and the spiritual
> > > dimension?
> >
> > > There were visitations of Jesus in physical form seen by many folks
> > > throughout the centuries since he was raised from the earth. The many
> > > dead were raised to life. Healing of sick folks, by divine encounters
> > > to the tune of the many millions in our world today; cancers
> > > disappeared, HIV/Aids healed, crippled walk, amputees had their limbs
> > > restored, demons were cast out from human bodies.
> >
> > > How shall they hear and know, if information is not handed out to
> > > them? If witnesses and physical evidence were preserved, and hand out
> > > to the skeptics, will they believe?
> > > Are we not to assume that there are dishonest individuals trying to
> > > corrupt scriptures, evidence, tampered it and challenge it?
> >
> > > People who challenge evidence presented by Christian, will be accepted
> > > only when honesty and objectivity were seen.
> >
> > > Imagine, how can anyone not be able to say, Frankie£s evidence of God
> > > is superior and must be accepted?, ...simply because nobody challenge
> > > his reasonable messages with objectivity? They ridicule. Insult. They
> > > never went against his main points. They have yet to refute his main
> > > theme of the messages. They told him not to share. They accuse him of
> > > being a liar. They asked him to leave the newsgroups and go to
> > > elsewhere. They used vulgarities?
> >
> > > The physical book, the Bible is evidence of God. God£s words are
> > > proves of God£s existence. God£s thoughts are proves. His moral Laws.
> > > His concepts. His assertions. His presence. His punishments on
> > > sinners. His divine wisdom. His miracles. His creations.
> > > The Cosmos. The universe.
> >
> > > Wait a minute, you may say? That is not proofs. I say, then, what is
> > > evidence?
> >
> > > Some folks objected to the Noah£s flood accounts as unbelievable
> > > tales. Adam and Eve as mere stories. But if we are talking about a
> > > supernatural Being known as God, does He not able to supernaturally
> > > cause the flood, since He had created the whole universe?
> >
> > > US $ had God written on it, it is a written-witness of God£s
> > > existence. The problem is, whether one believes God or not.
> >
> > > BC/AD-Before Christ and The year of our Lord,were language in English
> > > marking histories.Now people tried to change English Language,on that
> > > aspect.
> >
> > > Since evidences can be interpreted in many thousand ways, then what we
> > > need to ascertain something is by mean of Proof.
> >
> > > How then to have Proof that God exists? (Not evidence)(Note the
> > > difference)
> > > EXPERIMENTATION.EXPERIENCE.TEST.OBSERVABLE.
> >
> > > 1,Upon death, one will experience Hell-fires burning him/her, with
> > > gnashing of teeth,weeping;and discover that one is lock up in that
> > > furnace forever. This is invincible proof, once a person enters death,
> > > and for one who have yet to experience.
> >
> > > So one can have proof whether it is real or true by experiencing
> > > death, validating the Bible or disproving the Bible.
> >
Thurisaz the Einherjer
> In order for me to prove God?s existence, is it not reasonable for me
> to show evidence [?]
Of course it is.
SO DO IT ALREADY.
Stop babbling semi-coherent bullcrap and show some evidence instead of fairy
tales.
Alternatively, just give up and shut your pie hole, because we all know
there is NO evidence in support of your fairy tales.
--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."
My personal judgment of monotheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
Frankie Lee
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
> > regret found in Hell, for, God finds no delight in granting a person
> > what they always wanted while on earth : Great distance from him due
> > to overwhelming human pride.
>
> Such a horrible God...
> What happened to that friendly bearded chap that loved us all?
>
> delights and in what not?
Comments: Are you saying Christian does not know what God thinks?If
Christian does not have idea on what God thinks,then he is no
Christian.You failed in your own dilemma.
------------------------------------
>
> When did you become so horrifying arrogant to think you know what God
> likes and doesn't?
> And you accuse us of overwhelming pride.....
Comments: How can Christian not to have known what God like or dislike?
God told us what He like and dislike,very clearly.This point alone
should suffice you to discard your own pre-conceived notions,and
embrace God.
I doubt you understand what I say.
------------------------------------
>
> Erwin Moller
>
> --
> "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
> make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
> other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
> deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
> -- C.A.R. Hoare
bob young
Frankie Lee wrote:
> On Nov 11, 5:55 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The steady march of scientific discovery will continue to chip away
> the facades of religions until the
> time comes when praying to an imaginary god will be as rare as seeing
> someone 'taking snuff' is today.
>
> Bob
> Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
>
> Frankie: So you projected by your own reasoning,which I have shown you
> reasonably how you flawed,so how could your misguided predictions had
> any merits?
Take off your blinders - the facts are there for all who 'want' to see
>
> Given the explosion of increase tenacity and religiousness fervor all
> over the world,and at this rate,the outcome would be a different
> scenario,if you can discern.
There is NO explosion, simply a population increase
>
> Since you assume of further scientific discovery of things which you
> have no idea about,why could it not be the other way round,people
> finds God?
If a person finds a god it is because he has been encouraged to do so by another person,
who is also wearing blinders.
Had YOU been orphaned at age two and then been adopted by a Hindu family now you would be
here extolling the benefits of the god Ganesh - the one that has a fat human body and the
head of an elephant.
bob young
Jimbo wrote:
> On Nov 11, 5:36 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 5:55 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > The steady march of scientific discovery will continue to chip away
> > the facades of religions until the
> > time comes when praying to an imaginary god will be as rare as seeing
> > someone 'taking snuff' is today.
> >
> > Bob
> > Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
> >
> > Frankie: So you projected by your own reasoning,which I have shown you
> > reasonably how you flawed,so how could your misguided predictions had
> > any merits?
>
> It's already starting to happen.
>
> By the way, take some English lessons.
>
> >
> > Given the explosion of increase tenacity and religiousness fervor all
> > over the world,
>
> Yes, but by fewer, and fewer people. The Pope was on TV just last
> week complaining about how people are turning away from the church in
> droves in Europe and the Americas. Those that remain, are becoming
> shriller.
Indeed Jim, and The Pope went so far as to invite any disaffected Anglicans to join them.
Problem is half the Anglican churches have closed down in the past fifty years
bob young
Erwin Moller wrote:
> Frankie Lee schreef:
> > On Nov 11, 6:39 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 11, 5:36 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Nov 11, 5:55 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> The steady march of scientific discovery will continue to chip away
> >>> the facades of religions until the
> >>> time comes when praying to an imaginary god will be as rare as seeing
> >>> someone 'taking snuff' is today.
> >>> Bob
> >>> Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
> >>> Frankie: So you projected by your own reasoning,which I have shown you
> >>> reasonably how you flawed,so how could your misguided predictions had
> >>> any merits?
> >> It's already starting to happen.
> >>
> >> By the way, take some English lessons.
> >
> > ***(Yes,it is disconnected in thoughts.Rephrase.)
> >
> > You have projected views of what the future may holds.Earlier,Bob was
> > so disconnected in thoughts and logic.It is more reasonable to assume
> > that he will have fractured views rather than having any accurate
> > projection of the future.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Yes, but by fewer, and fewer people. The Pope was on TV just last
> > week complaining about how people are turning away from the church in
> > droves in Europe and the Americas. Those that remain, are becoming
> > shriller.
> >
> > ***Dinesh De Souza had done research and offer a different views.Just
> > by populations' increase of Muslims alone,their high birth rate,so it
> > shouldn't surprise us if they conquer all of Europe.
> >
> >
>
> That is excactly where unreasonable believes will lead us.
> Into war.
> And trying to outbreed your competitors (by having 10 kids) is also a
> famous technic.
>
> Religion leads us to Armageddon: An Earth with too many people that
> refuse to think and are intollerable towards others.
> Armageddon... As predicted.
> Talking about self forfilling prophecies...
>
> Are you proud to be on the wrong side, Frankie Lee?
>
> Erwin Moller
Erwin, when Islamists get their nuclear weapons and start projecting them towards Christian nations our Frankie
here will be on his hands and knees praying to his imaginary god to protect him; and crying because he doesn't !
Half the world population wiped out - all in the names of imaginary deities !
How many pages of history record battles and
even wars that have been waged, with both sides
invoking the name of God, as if fighting and
killing the enemy could be pleasing to him. . . .
The recollection of these sad events should fill
us with shame, for we know only too well what
atrocities have been committed in the name
of religion.
Pope Benedict XVI
(In a meeting with Muslim leaders at Cologne,
Germany on August 20, 2005.)
Los Angeles Times_ [August 21, 2005],
bob young
Frankie Lee wrote:
> On Nov 11, 7:06 pm, Erwin Moller
> > --
> > "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
> > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
> > other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
> > deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
> > -- C.A.R. Hoare
>
> ***Let me quickly tell you how I think.Like in those days where the
> crusades vs the Islamists.There might have a repeat of History.Islamic
> faith is very wicked and dangerous,and intimidating.Their colors is
> shown from Shariah Banking to political manoeuvrings in the UN.
They have not yet equaled the almost three hundred years of torture and burning humans alive in city squares,
courtesy of The Inquisition, but there's nothing to show they may not manage it, given time.
The only hope for man is humanism, intelligence and common sense; instead of superstition and arrogance.
>
> Their greatest fear is never Atheist.Simply,the Atheist has no
> supernatural power,and most unlike have never seen one perhaps in
> their lifetime.What make it worst was,Atheist suppose by mere natural
> logic and intellectual reasoning can win the fight for a more
> saner,humane society.
>
> The forces of evil are very spiritual.The Bible talk of the struggles
> are pitted against the Demons and wicked spirits in high places.Eph
> 6:12
>
> The tides of Islamic evils can only be stop by the increase majority
> of Christians,who would stand by the principles of the founding
> Fathers of USA.This is the only practical step against Islamic
> terrorism.
>
Uncle Vic
>> Allow yourself to question your faith. You'll see what we mean.
>>
>
> ***I had question my Faith deeply.
Bullshit.
Uncle Vic
>
>> Can you prove that your faith is somehow truer than theirs?
>
> Me: Great American President like Ronald Reagan.
>
Them: Great Islamic leaders like Ayatollah Khomeini.
Uncle Vic
> On Nov 12, 1:14�am, Erwin Moller
> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
>> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
>> > regret found in Hell, for, �God finds no delight in granting a
>> > person what they always wanted while on earth : �Great distance
>> > from him due to overwhelming human pride.
>>
>> Such a horrible God...
>> What happened to that friendly bearded chap that loved us all?
>>
>> And here is my usual question: How do you know in what God finds
>> delights and in what not?
>
> Comments: Are you saying Christian does not know what God thinks?
Yes.
> If
> Christian does not have idea on what God thinks,then he is no
> Christian.
Oh, put the bagpipes away. You don't fool anyone.
> You failed in your own dilemma.
You just failed with your latest strawman.
> ------------------------------------
>>
>> When did you become so horrifying arrogant to think you know what God
>> likes and doesn't?
>> And you accuse us of overwhelming pride.....
>
> Comments: How can Christian not to have known what God like or
> dislike? God told us what He like and dislike,very clearly.
We've already been through your circulum in demonstrando. The bible is
not proof of itself.
> This point alone
> should suffice you to discard your own pre-conceived notions,and
> embrace God.
>
> I doubt you understand what I say.
Don't doubt it.
bob young
Jimbo wrote:
> On Nov 11, 1:36 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why you will burn in Hell?
> >
>
> You have yet to prove that this hell thing actually exists, much less
> prove that anyone will burn in it.
Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just
passed away.
ÒOh I'm so looking forward to seeing him againÓ the man said.
ÒSorryÓ said God, ÒBut he will not be coming here because he has been a
little more sinful than you, so we will be sending him to that other
place we call HellÓ.
So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving
God, whilst his friend, who had been just a little more sinful than he,
is about to roast for eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or
crassly stupid?
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
bob young
Frankie Lee wrote:
> On Nov 11, 6:31 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 1:36 am, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Why you will burn in Hell?
> >
> > You have yet to prove that this hell thing actually exists, much less
> > prove that anyone will burn in it.
>
> ***How do we know Hell is real and it exists?Since Jesus said it is
> true and real,and I believe Him.
> Are there any witness of people who went there,seen it and come back
> to life?Yes.Who are there?
>
> Many.Go to you tube and check for yourself.
>
> In the court of Law,two witnesses is enough to indict and convict a
> criminal.So what reasonable evidence you need?
>
> Can you,like those fools,who has not seen Hell,no idea of what it is
> like,make assumptions that their witness are not true?
> Is it Hallucinations?Or is it the real thing?
> I believe it is the real thing,and I am sure about it.Is that good
> enough?
No it is pitifully childish
Draccus
> supernatural power,and most unlike have never seen one perhaps in
> their lifetime.What make it worst was,Atheist suppose by mere natural
> logic and intellectual reasoning can win the fight for a more
> saner,humane society.
>
> The forces of evil are very spiritual.The Bible talk of the struggles
> are pitted against the Demons and wicked spirits in high places.Eph
> 6:12
>
> The tides of Islamic evils can only be stop by the increase majority
> of Christians,who would stand by the principles of the founding
> Fathers of USA.This is the only practical step against Islamic
> terrorism.
>
> And,Christians must be expose to the spiritual world.
I hate to break it to you but Christians and the others are all been
dying for years you have been losing people because you do not speak
to their souls and needs anymore if you ever really did. Of course the
Atheists have been losing out as well they speak nothing to the Soul
and scoff at the very thought of such. They are as morally and
spiritually bankrupt as you, but I would trust them more in a
firefight than I would you.
Uncle Vic
> ***I tried it three times. Nothing happens. That is my testimony.
> You are
> selling worthless snake oil. We don't want any.
>
> Frankie: You are lying through your teeth.If you had called on the
> living Lord,something will happen.Has 7 days passed since I mentioned
> the EXPERIMENTS?
Bwaaaahahahahahahaha! Now I have to wait and be patient. Christian
Copout. BTW, I tried it nearly 40 years ago too. Same result, snake oil
salesman.
>
> Everyone knows I mentioned 7 day,
Liar. Re-read your own post.
> because it is not the problem about
> God,but your mindsets needed to be straighten,and what do you know of
> spiritual war?
>
> And further more,you accused me of selling snake oil,all the more
> proves I am spot on on my Experimentation,and you are heaping dirt.
>
Bwaaaahahahahaha! My chihuahua can throw better insults than that! Come
on, Wankie. TRY!
SkyEyes
Reagan ran one of the most corrupt administrations in U.S. history.
"Great" isn't the adjective I'd use to describe him.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
tirebiter
Plus, it's extremely likely that his Alzheimer's disease manifested
itself long before he left office. Even before his dementia was made
public, he was kept on a short leash in all of his public appearances.
And I thought christians disapproved of Nancy using astrologers to
influence the administrations policy. Something about the occult
being unchristian.
---
a.a. #2273
Uncle Vic
<MAILTOs...@carcosa.de> wrote:
> Pathetic morontheist "Frankie Lee":
>
>> In order for me to prove God?s existence, is it not reasonable for me
>> to show evidence [?]
>
> Of course it is.
>
> SO DO IT ALREADY.
>
> Stop babbling semi-coherent bullcrap and show some evidence instead of
> fairy tales.
> Alternatively, just give up and shut your pie hole, because we all
> know there is NO evidence in support of your fairy tales.
>
Take a look at Wankie's "evidence" in his latest post. ;-)
Smiler
And the other half will close within the next 50 years, maybe sooner.
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Smiler
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:50:56 -0800 (PST), JohnN
> <jnor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 11, 12:14 pm, Erwin Moller
>> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com>
>> wrote:
>>> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
>>>> regret found in Hell, for, God finds no delight in granting a
>>>> person what they always wanted while on earth : Great distance
>>>> from him due to overwhelming human pride.
>>>
>>> Such a horrible God...
>>> What happened to that friendly bearded chap that loved us all?
>>
>> Santa doesn't come until December 25 and then he too will separate
>> the naughty and nice.
>>
>>> And here is my usual question: How do you know in what God finds
>>> delights and in what not?
>>
>> Dollars to doughnuts god delights in the same things Frankie does.
>
> God is an ignorant wanker?
>
You've heard of the second coming, haven't you?
Smiler
> In article <ce19753e-9918-41d0-88ae-8ea767cbdeb5
> @q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, leea...@yahoo.com says...
>
>> Why you will burn in Hell?
>
>
> (Or should that be, "since I was nine"?)
Or "since nine o'clock"?
Smiler
>> stolen from a house shall be his, and without getting discovered and
>> later on to be punished.
>>
>> to show evidence what God had said, what God had pronounced and what
>> great things God told to others and His dealings with an entire
>> country, Israel, and His servants and people and Christians?
>>
>> ASSERTIONS, and TESTIMONIALS OF OTHERS?
>>
>> true that a claim is made first and then back-up claims of evidence
>> came later?
>>
>
Thinking isn't his native way of thinking.
Les Hellawell
I suspect It might be infranatural logic.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Les Hellawell
Why should he? His religious faith, should he have one, is his
business, nor does he answer to you for it. Why? He isn't trying to
persuade you of it.
In the same way your 'faith', whatever that is, is your business and
nothing to do with us.
Please advise us which newsgroup you are mass crossposting
from so I can avoid excessive crossposting myself
I am anxxious not to abuse my posting priviledges by exceeding
crossposting guidelines and thus posting inappropriately. It is
simply bad manners. Thank you.
Les Hellawell
wrote:
>One fine day in alt.atheism, Frankie Lee <leea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> Can you prove that your faith is somehow truer than theirs?
>>
>> Me: Great American President like Ronald Reagan.
>>
>
>Them: Great Islamic leaders like Ayatollah Khomeini.
Does the thread killer rule apply here? Great:
Adolph Hitler
I am certainly not about to adopt his Christian 'faith'. Even if
Frankie does persuade me there is a god and that
Jesus existed (somethings he clearly cannot do)
NO WAY WILL I **EVER** BECOME A CHRISTIAN
That is simply beyond the Pale.
Les Hellawell
Really?
You want us to accept what you say just on your say-so -AGAIN!
You just do not get it do you?
Accepting claims from others, especially extraordinary ones like
yous just on the say of the claimant no longer works.
Untl you start to understand this you will not understand
why religion is being increasingly rejected by people and
churches around the world are declining
Preachers can no longer stand in pulpits and expect people
to sit silently whilst the preachers asserts 'god does this. god
does that, God wants this and not that.' They will not stand
up and ask 'How do you know this ...' as they should but
silently conclude think the man is lying, walk away and never
return. We are not that silent congregation and for as long
as you try to assert things to us we will stand up and challenge
or dismiss your assertions and either get used to it or go.
This is what Chris Leed and other say when they say
"PUT UP OR SHUT UP."
Please let me know which newsgroup you are posting from.
I am anxious not to abuse my posting priviledges by
excessively cross posting or crossposting inappropriately.
This is of course bas manners. Thank you for your
understanding and cooperation in this matter.
Since I a
Frankie Lee
**You showed no intelligence at all.I respond with a specific
erroneous statements of yours.I reason it well.I showed you clearly
why you are wrong.
Put up your respond with the issue at hand,or Shut up with the issue
at hand.
Or admit your own fallacies.
Frankie Lee
> One fine day in alt.atheism, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > ***I tried it three times. Nothing happens. That is my testimony.
> > You are
> > selling worthless snake oil. We don't want any.
>
> > Frankie: You are lying through your teeth.If you had called on the
> > living Lord,something will happen.Has 7 days passed since I mentioned
> > the EXPERIMENTS?
>
> Bwaaaahahahahahahaha! Now I have to wait and be patient. Christian
> Copout. BTW, I tried it nearly 40 years ago too. Same result, snake oil
> salesman.
****You have prove to me,by your words,you didn't go through the
Experimentation which I showed you.
30 years ago,a friend of mine saw Angels.Not once but many times.Later
on,he backslided.His memory became vague.Now,pls tell me,is he
hallucinating then?
A ex-Muslim friend of mine heard Voices of God in 1963.Around the year
around 2000,he told me he had heard the same voice,and after I
converted him,he not only heard that Voice,but seen face to face the
Lord Jesus.He recently died,an old man.
>
>
>
> > Everyone knows I mentioned 7 day,
>
> Liar. Re-read your own post.
***Don't be too quick.You just miss my posts.
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
>Had YOU been orphaned at age two and then been adopted by
>a Hindu family now you would be here extolling the benefits
>of the god Ganesh - the one that has a fat human body and
>the head of an elephant.
When they pray to him is it a trunk call?
tirebiter
Can you take your own advice?
I didn't see a reply to my question to you a few days ago on this
thread where you said:
> >Can you not see why Atheist and the world sob and howl as loud as they
> >can when I quote some words from a scientist name: Albert Einstein?
> >Base on their set of thinking, so I proposed: Einstein said that Jesus
> >is no myth. Christianity cannot be dismissed. Jesus is divine,
> >according to him.
And I asked:
Please cite a verifiable quote where Einstein said jesus is divine.
The many occasions where he denied believing in a personal god
notwithstanding, he was raised jewish. Why would he profess the
divinity of an alleged god that christians believe in but jews don't?
You specifically said you were going to quote Einstein and then
rattled off words you made up and attributed them to him. I have no
knowledge of any statement from Einstein where he stated that "jesus
is divine". Please cite a reference to this claim, or ANY quote where
Einstein proclaims the divinity of ANY god.
---
a.a. #2273
Jimbo
> I renounce lies and all deceptions.
And yet, you spend so much time engaging in them.
Mike Painter
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:49 -0800 (PST), Frankie Lee
> <leea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Why you will burn in Hell?
>
> Michigan? (It's a bit colder than you'd want it to be, Wrecked Lee.)
Especially when you could be talking about 39 degrees 45 min west and 121
degrees 37 minutes north. just op th hill from hell town.
The Chief Instigator
You got your coordinates switched - but 39�45' N and 121�37' W would be
right about where Paradise is, indeed. ;-)
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 5, San Antonio 2 (November 7)
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> On Nov 12, 1:26 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ***I tried it three times. Nothing happens. That is my testimony.
>>> You are
>>> selling worthless snake oil. We don't want any.
>>
>>> Frankie: You are lying through your teeth.If you had called on the
>>> living Lord,something will happen.Has 7 days passed since I
>>> mentioned the EXPERIMENTS?
>>
>> Bwaaaahahahahahahaha! Now I have to wait and be patient. Christian
>> Copout. BTW, I tried it nearly 40 years ago too. Same result, snake
>> oil salesman.
>
> ****You have prove to me,by your words,you didn't go through the
> Experimentation which I showed you.
>
> 30 years ago,a friend of mine saw Angels.Not once but many times.Later
> on,he backslided.His memory became vague.Now,pls tell me,is he
> hallucinating then?
>
> A ex-Muslim friend of mine heard Voices of God in 1963.Around the year
> around 2000,he told me he had heard the same voice,and after I
> converted him,he not only heard that Voice,but seen face to face the
> Lord Jesus.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU.
>He recently died,an old man.
That is the _only_ believable thing you wrote.
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Don Martin
>Don Martin wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:50:56 -0800 (PST), JohnN
>> <jnor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 11, 12:14 pm, Erwin Moller
>>> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let us hope that no one in this Forum will ever have to endure the
>>>>> regret found in Hell, for, God finds no delight in granting a
>>>>> person what they always wanted while on earth : Great distance
>>>>> from him due to overwhelming human pride.
>>>>
>>>> Such a horrible God...
>>>> What happened to that friendly bearded chap that loved us all?
>>>
>>> Santa doesn't come until December 25 and then he too will separate
>>> the naughty and nice.
>>>
>>>> And here is my usual question: How do you know in what God finds
>>>> delights and in what not?
>>>
>>> Dollars to doughnuts god delights in the same things Frankie does.
>>
>> God is an ignorant wanker?
>>
>
>You've heard of the second coming, haven't you?
Not within the same hour.
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aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
FRANKIE LEE
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
> Frankie Lee schreef:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 11, 11:33 pm, Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On 11 Nov, 06:36, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Healing of sick folks, by divine encounters
> >>> to the tune of the many millions in our world today; cancers
> >>> disappeared, HIV/Aids healed, crippled walk, amputees had their limbs
> >>> restored, demons were cast out from human bodies.
> >> offer no accounts by these people or those of witnesses to these
> >> alleged miracles.
>
> >> And you offer no medical testimonials from these peoples' doctors,
> >> confirming their state of health before and after the alleged cures.
>
> >> Amputees, you claim have had their limbs restored, but again you offer
> >> no supporting evidence.
>
> >> So come on, show everyone the real evidence for these alleged cures.
>
> >> Or will it be like your attempt to support that dubious individual,
> >> Todd Bentley, who claimed to have bought 20 people back from the dead?
>
> >> And yet no substantiation of those claims was ever forthcoming from
> >> Todd, or from you.
>
> > ***Why so impatient?Can you wait?
>
> Jeez man, that is a very stupid response.
> Congratulations.
>
> "Can you wait?"
> We have been waiting for thousands of years for the slightest piece of
> proof for God. So far nobody delivered *any*.
>
> How much longer must we wait?
> To be honest: I am getting a little impatient.
>
> Erwin Moller
>
> --
> "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
> make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
> other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
> deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
> -- C.A.R. Hoare
*** And yet no substantiation of those claims was ever forthcoming
from
> >> Todd, or from you.
>
> > ***Why so impatient?Can you wait?
>
> Jeez man, that is a very stupid response.
> Congratulations.
Frankie: Is there any stupidity in my statements just by
saying,...wait????
btw,has anyone specifically told me what type of evidence they are
seeking from me?
What kind of substantiation that they want from me?
I have given evidence,and direct you to get "proof".Only one nut told
me that he never follow my instruction,and told me that he never get
the results because he never "experiment"according to my word.That is
really stupid,isn't it?
Now look at your replies.Have you experimented?
I have back up my claims,shown proves,and set up many
"unseen"equipments,and you yet never mention even one word of the most
important matter of my previous post"Experimentation'.
Have you tried it?
They have say,people like you are not wanting truths,but getting
Truths so that you may distort it.Is that true again?
FRANKIE LEE
> On 11 Nov, 16:09, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 11, 11:33 pm, Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On 11 Nov, 06:36, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Healing of sick folks, by divine encounters
> > > > to the tune of the many millions in our world today; cancers
> > > > disappeared, HIV/Aids healed, crippled walk, amputees had their limbs
> > > > restored, demons were cast out from human bodies.
>
> > > Many millions you say have been cured by divine encounters, but you
> > > offer no accounts by these people or those of witnesses to these
> > > alleged miracles.
>
> > > And you offer no medical testimonials from these peoples' doctors,
> > > confirming their state of health before and after the alleged cures.
>
> > > Amputees, you claim have had their limbs restored, but again you offer
> > > no supporting evidence.
>
> > > So come on, show everyone the real evidence for these alleged cures.
>
> > > Or will it be like your attempt to support that dubious individual,
> > > Todd Bentley, who claimed to have bought 20 people back from the dead?
>
> > > And yet no substantiation of those claims was ever forthcoming from
> > > Todd, or from you.
>
> > ***Why so impatient?Can you wait?
>
> evidence.
>
> If you have no evidence, then the claims are nothing more than
> falsehoods.
***Of course I have the evidence.Would you show it to friends or to
someone who is obnoxious.A friend had just told me,"don't cast pearls
before the swine?
Frankie Lee
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:03:25 -0600, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com>
> wrote:
>
> >One fine day in alt.atheism, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Can you prove that your faith is somehow truer than theirs?
>
> >> Me: Great American President like Ronald Reagan.
>
> >Them: Great Islamic leaders like Ayatollah Khomeini.
>
> Does the thread killer rule apply here? Great:
>
> Adolph Hitler
>
> I am certainly not about to adopt his Christian 'faith'. Even if
> Frankie does persuade me there is a god and that
> Jesus existed (somethings he clearly cannot do)
>
> NO WAY WILL I **EVER** BECOME A CHRISTIAN
>
> That is simply beyond the Pale.
>
> --
> Les Hellawell
> Greetings from:
> YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
***Didn't it prove my point?They modeled after Khomeini,fully knowing
he was evil?
If someone say I cannot prove my God is real,then they are saying they
had gone gone to the point where Experimentation was done.
Why did they say I cannot prove my God?
Why did they say,after I had proven my God is real and true,then they
say they wouldn't believe?
""" I am certainly not about to adopt his Christian 'faith'. Even if
> Frankie does persuade me there is a god and that
> Jesus existed (somethings he clearly cannot do)""""
This statements is a clear indication that I have shown the truths,so
powerful that had left her/him speechless,reeling in discomfort.
In other words,I have great ability to stumble her,and she was
stumbled by me.
bob young
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
Working that one out would be something of a tusk, I mean 'task'
Uncle Vic
> On Nov 12, 5:47�pm, Les Hellawell <l...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:03:25 -0600, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >One fine day in alt.atheism, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Can you prove that your faith is somehow truer than theirs?
>>
>> >> Me: Great American President like Ronald Reagan.
>>
>> >Them: Great Islamic leaders like Ayatollah Khomeini.
>>
>> Does the thread killer rule apply here? Great:
>>
>> Adolph Hitler
>>
>> I am certainly not about to adopt his Christian 'faith'. Even if
>> Frankie does persuade me there is a god and that
>> Jesus existed (somethings he clearly cannot do)
>>
>> NO WAY WILL I **EVER** BECOME A CHRISTIAN
>>
>> That is simply beyond the Pale.
>>
>> --
>> Les Hellawell
>> Greetings from:
>> YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
>
>
> ***Didn't it prove my point?They modeled after Khomeini,fully knowing
> he was evil?
>
> If someone say I cannot prove my God is real,then they are saying they
> had gone gone to the point where Experimentation was done.
I've done this "experiment" quite a few times in my life. Nothing
happens. What, is jesus supposed to appear before me? Am I supposed to
hear voices in my head or something? WTF is supposed to happen? Is this
experiment supposed to make me nod my head and say "you were right all
along, Frankie"?
Dude, I'm smarter than that.
>
> Why did they say I cannot prove my God?
Because you can't. Admit it, moron. You cannot prove your god exists in
terms that coincide with reality.
> Why did they say,after I had proven my God is real and true,then they
> say they wouldn't believe?
Because you have not proven your supernatural sky pixie is any more real
than Barney the Dinosaur. When you stop reading the bible, the magical
bible stuff stops happening. When you eject the Barney VHS, the magical
Barney stuff stops happening. Wow, those are pretty similar, aren't
they, moron?
>
> """ I am certainly not about to adopt his Christian 'faith'. Even if
>> Frankie does persuade me there is a god and that
>> Jesus existed (somethings he clearly cannot do)""""
>
> This statements is a clear indication that I have shown the truths
<BITCHSLAP!>
WHAT? You clearly live in a make-believe world where yes means no and up
means down. Do yourself a favor. Check yourself into an insane asylum,
where they can protect you from reality. And vice versa.
Uncle Vic
You clearly haven't been following his threads. Is this a parody post,
or have you suddenly become a moron?
>
> In the same way your 'faith', whatever that is, is your business and
> nothing to do with us.
>
Apparently you have, if this is the same Les I've corresponded with in
alt.atheism.
Uncle Vic
> On Nov 12, 1:26�pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, Frankie Lee <leeahk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > ***I tried it three times. �Nothing happens. �That is my testimony.
>> > You are
>> > selling worthless snake oil. �We don't want any.
>>
>> > Frankie: You are lying through your teeth.If you had called on the
>> > living Lord,something will happen.Has 7 days passed since I
>> > mentioned the EXPERIMENTS?
>>
>> Bwaaaahahahahahahaha! �Now I have to wait and be patient. �Christian
>> Copout. �BTW, I tried it nearly 40 years ago too. �Same result, snake
> oil
>> salesman.
>
> ****You have prove to me,by your words,you didn't go through the
> Experimentation which I showed you.
I wasn't visited by superjesus, if that's what your expectation was. And
I still don't believe you.
>
> 30 years ago,a friend of mine saw Angels.
Hoooeeee! What was he smoking at the time?
Frankie Lee
> happens. What, is jesus supposed to appear before me? Am I supposed to
> hear voices in my head or something? WTF is supposed to happen? Is this
> experiment supposed to make me nod my head and say "you were right all
> along, Frankie"?
>
> Dude, I'm smarter than that.
Me: Since you show illogicality here,are you smarter or dumber here?If
you follow my instructions,say, be honest,say those words....and then
after 7 days,you still could not get"proof",what does that shows?Call
me a snake oil or whatever you want,it just proves I am flawed,my
messages are discredited,and Frankie is a nut....
Your problem is,you mentioned something 40 years ago,,blah...what for?
Real live experience is here and now,not 40 years ago when you failed
then,and then attribute that--that messenger, then ,who taught you
were me????
I have such confidence on the Experiment,in the scale of 1-10,I gave
you 10...what more do you want?Vic,you are not a fool,pls don't be
one.
Frankie Lee
**Please cite a reference to this claim, or ANY quote where
Einstein proclaims the divinity of ANY god.
Me: I have cited a reference,his quotes...Must I repeat myself?
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
>One fine day in alt.atheism, Frankie Lee <leea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 30 years ago,a friend of mine saw Angels.
>
>Hoooeeee! What was he smoking at the time?
Farrah Fawcett Majors, Cheryl Ladd, Shelley Hack, Jaclyn Smith, Kate
Jackson....
Uncle Vic
>> I've done this "experiment" quite a few times in my life. �Nothing
>> happens. �What, is jesus supposed to appear before me? �Am I supposed
> to
>> hear voices in my head or something? �WTF is supposed to happen? �Is
> this
>> experiment supposed to make me nod my head and say "you were right all
>> along, Frankie"?
>>
>> Dude, I'm smarter than that.
>
> Me: Since you show illogicality here,are you smarter or dumber here?If
> you follow my instructions,say, be honest,say those words....and then
> after 7 days,you still could not get"proof",what does that shows?Call
> me a snake oil or whatever you want,it just proves I am flawed,my
> messages are discredited,and Frankie is a nut....
Let's see now... that was two days ago. Five days to go. If jesus
doesn't appear to me by November 17, do you promise to admit you're a
run-of-the-mill snake oil salesman and leave this newsgroup?
How are you going to believe me if I tell you jesus has not appeared to
me? The same way you expect me to swallow your fucking nonsense whole?
I'll keep you posted.
>
> Your problem is,
My problem is morons like you who insist they are my intellectual
superiors.
Uncle Vic
>
> **Please cite a reference to this claim, or ANY quote where
> Einstein proclaims the divinity of ANY god.
>
> Me: I have cited a reference,his quotes...Must I repeat myself?
>
Yes, many, many times, and louder each time! The louder you shout, the
truer your spiel. That's how fundy preaching works, isn't it?
Uncle Vic
>> If you are so certain of your claims, you should already have the
>> evidence.
>>
>> If you have no evidence, then the claims are nothing more than
>> falsehoods.
>
> ***Of course I have the evidence.Would you show it to friends or to
> someone who is obnoxious.A friend had just told me,"don't cast pearls
> before the swine?
Call us swine if you must. But to be honest, you must first wait until you
have pearls. All you've shown us is dog shit.