Irish atheists challenge blasphemy law.
fur...@mail.croydon.ac.uk
by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website.
Mike Jones
> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law by
> publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
Good on 'em!
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panam...@hotmail.com
> Responding to furles:
>
> > An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law by
> > publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website.
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>
> Good on 'em!
Where do I donate money?
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
thomas p.
I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed only if the victim
files a complaint.
Mike Jones
What victim?
Don Martin
>Responding to thomas p.:
>
>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>
>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website.
>>>>
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>>>>
>>>> Good on 'em!
>>>
>>> Where do I donate money?
>>>
>>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>>> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
>>
>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed only if the victim
>> files a complaint.
>
>What victim?
That insubstantial and unevidenced Person, god. And the complaint must be signed
in the presence of reliable witnesses.
-
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
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Christopher A. Lee
<drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:40:26 GMT, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>
>>Responding to thomas p.:
>>
>>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>>>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website.
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> Good on 'em!
>>>>
>>>> Where do I donate money?
>>>>
>>>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>>>> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
>>>
>>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed only if the victim
>>> files a complaint.
>>
>>What victim?
>
>That insubstantial and unevidenced Person, god. And the complaint must be signed
>in the presence of reliable witnesses.
There is no such thing as blasphemy. It's a way to make telling people
to keep their deluded fantasies to themselves, against the law.
Anybody who is accused of blasphemy should treat the accuser as an
idiot and the charge as a joke.
Hannele
> Responding to thomas p.:
>
>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>
>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website.
>>>>
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>>>>
>>>> Good on 'em!
>>>
>>> Where do I donate money?
>>>
>>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>>> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
>>
>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed only if the victim
>> files a complaint.
>
> What victim?
>
Exactly!
--
Hannele, A.A #2211
There are at least as many gods as there are believers.
Trance Gemini
The list they provided of "blasphemous statements was exceptionally
well done and I'll be following this challenge closely.
As I mentioned on another group where this topic is also being
discussed, in my opinion, we need our own NGO which can take
resolutions to the UN so that we can get appropriate UN Legislation
passed to protect ourselves and the world community from this type of
theocratic incursion into the secular state.
panam...@hotmail.com
LOL! Still, I wonder if Atheist Ireland will be needing a little cast
for the inevitable legal nonsense to come. I guess I'll go poke around
on their website a little.
-PF, Atl.
2015/KoBAAWA!
Enkidu
>>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed only if the victim
>>> files a complaint.
>>
>> What victim?
>>
> Exactly!
God is the victim - that weak imaginary friend of he devout Christian.
It hurts Him when He hears people say mean things about Him.
--
Enkidu
Free Lunch
alt.atheism:
So dissing leprechauns is going to be a big problem, too.
Don Martin
Right ye are! So watch yer lip, Sassenach!
thomas p.
> Responding to thomas p.:
>
>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>
>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a
>>>>> new blasphemy law by publishing a series of
>>>>> anti-religious quotations on its website.
>>>>
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>>>>
>>>> Good on 'em!
>>>
>>> Where do I donate money?
>>>
>>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>>> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
>>
>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed
>> only if the victim files a complaint.
>
>
> What victim?
Precisely my dear Watson.
Enkidu
Indeed . . . it hurts their feelings. Well, it would if they existed.
--
Enkidu
fasgnadh
"An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
Priceless!
They believe in Jesus!
But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
their anti-religious campaign!
AND they support the Kangaroo Court and claim his benign statement
WAS Blasphemous!
What do people, more fair minded than these anti-religious
atheists who condemn Jesus for Blasphemy, think..
Is that statement by Jesus, telling his accusers that THEY,
not He, have said He is the Son of God, and telling them he is the
Son of Man.. breaking Jewish, or any other Law?
Especially as History has confirmed that we would see him
"sitting on the right hands of power" 2000 years after the
religious authorities of that day did what the atheists
support and would do again, kill a man for speaking;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
They really are anti-religion, and so their works should come
under anti-hate-speech legislation, not blasphemy laws!
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Olrik
>
<snip>
> They believe in Jesus!
Some atheists like you believe in a historical "jesus", who may have
been just a rabble-rouser rabbi onto which early xian cultists slapped
old myths.
<snip demented yappings>
B J Foster
>
> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>
> http://www.atheist.ie/
>
> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
>
> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>
> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>
> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
Crap. Where does it say hat they believe in Jesus?
They are saying that one religion (*now* the primary one in Ireland) is
inconsistent with the status quo (Judaism at the time).
You either know this, in which case your argument is in bad faith, or
you don't, in which case you're an idiot.
fasgnadh
> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
Well, I don't agree with curtailing freedom of speech, that's
what we expect from the tyrannical atheist regimes of the 20th
Century, but didn't all you atheists tell us that you are growing in
strength and numbers?
If a NEW blasphemy law is being introduced by a democratic
government, it suggests religion is growing stronger and has
decided to push back against the violent extremism of militant
atheism.. I doubt any decent folk will lose much sleep;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
The Atheist 2.0 throwbacks are as violent and sociopathic
as their forerunners in the Union of Savage Slaughter and
Repression(USSR), Mao's Cultural Devolution and Pol Pot's
atheist genocide.. they would come under hate-speech and
terrorist laws;
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> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website.
So atheists admit they are anti-religious, and they are just using
the free speech/freedom of belief line as a front for attacking religion!
Why? It was the democratic, ELECTED, GOVERNMENT which introduced
the law, your beef is with the POLITICIANS! B^]
We all knew atheists were lying when they denied being an ANTI-THEIST
movement and claimed 'We just don't believe in sumthin'!!!
They are like pimply adolescents, who shit on your carpet to provoke
outrage, and then, the ULTIMATE hypocrites, they abuse, slander and
forge the posts of any religious who exercise THEIR free speech by
posting in alt.atheism, and OPEN USENET DISCUSSION GROUP set up
for the exchange of ideas!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHA
Atheists are sooks, and while, as I said, I don't support blasphemy
laws, I can see why the religious majority, tiring of militant atheist
attacks on their decent societies has decided to bitch slap the
potty mouthed infants! B^]
And I predict most people will be unmoved and not raise a finger
to aid the atheists.. they may even quote the atheist rhetoric
when some meek and mild Christian enters their NG and is pack-raped
by atheist thugs... "you get what you asked for"! B^D
Watching them shriek like stuck pigs at the thought their vile
anti-theism might be moderated will be amusing.
Their past behaviour means they have no friends and allies. B^]
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh defends Jesus from atheist slander and vilification:
>>
>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>>
>> http://www.atheist.ie/
>>
>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
>> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
>>
>> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>>
>> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>>
>> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
>> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
>> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
>>
>>
>> They believe in Jesus!
>>
>> But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
>> their anti-religious campaign!
>
Haven't you been toilet trained YET? B^p
> Where does it say hat they believe in Jesus?
Can't you read, you illiterate moron?
In the very first of THEIR 25 examples of BLASPHEMY
They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
wouldn't you BJ? ;-)
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHA
You are a Fucking Idjut, BJ! B^D
Are you saying their evidence is all imaginary?
Well, it IS a documented fact that atheists are well known
for their forgery and lies;
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/241e548808b786f8?hl=en
but I'm surprised to see you on the side of atheists and pharisees
trying to railroad Jesus on a blasphemy charge in the Kangaroo
Court of atheist OPINION! uninformed as it is! B^p
I mean.. he can't even DEFEND himself! ;-)
> They are saying that one religion (*now* the primary one in Ireland) is
> inconsistent with the status quo (Judaism at the time).
I read their website.. they never said anything of the sort, you
pathetic liar!
*I* quoted them, verbatim, and they quoted JESUS from the BIBLE,
to make their case.
If you are saying this is a case of FALSE WITNESS, then it is the
ATHEISTS and YOU who have committed perjury! B^p
Here is the atheist account, their first example of what THEY
claim to be 'Blasphemy'
#
# 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
# in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
# I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
# man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
# in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
# Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
# deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
# they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
They QUOTE Jesus and claim that those words are an example of
BLASPHEMY.. the first in their list of 24 other QUOTES!
I can see that you and the atheists are incoinsistent.
Give us the details of the historical examples where you
imagine some unspecified inconsistency exists'
Use the example of Jesus, IF YOU THINK HE EXISTED! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
But you will still have to show where the 'blasphemy' is. B^]
To me it looks like a show trial. B^p
You know Show Trials, BJ, they were the massive frauds
run by atheist regimes when they wanted to railroad
hundreds of thousands of victims who had blasphemed the
atheist regime.. just part of the 70,000,000 terrorised
tortured, lied to and killed by the atheist tyrannies
I see no evidence of Jesus breaking Jewish law by what he said.
( And of course, if he IS a messenger of God, well, you know,
YHWH does what He Wills.. and you can just bitch and whine
about it, as usual! ;^)
You either know this, in which case your argument is in
bad faith, or you don't, in which case you're an idiot.
and In your case, both are probably true
>> AND they support the Kangaroo Court and claim his benign statement
>> WAS Blasphemous!
>>
>> What do people, more fair minded than these anti-religious
>> atheists who condemn Jesus for Blasphemy, think..
>>
>> Is that statement by Jesus, telling his accusers that THEY,
>> not He, have said He is the Son of God, and telling them he is the
>> Son of Man.. breaking Jewish, or any other Law?
>>
>> Especially as History has confirmed that we would see him
>> "sitting on the right hands of power" 2000 years after the
>> religious authorities of that day did what the atheists
>> support and would do again, kill a man for speaking;
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>> They really are anti-religion, and so their works should come
>> under anti-hate-speech legislation, not blasphemy laws!
So far no one has been able to show that Jesus committed blasphemy,
and now we have doubts about the atheist 'evidence'! 8^o
falsus in uno, falsis in omnibus
all we have,in that case, is ATHEIST OPINION! B^D
bobsyo...@yahoo.com
> pile of bull shit.
>>
>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
Can't even open a post without lying.
THERE IS NO law against blasphemy.
That's only a part of your deranged fairy tales.
>>
>> http://www.atheist.ie/
>>
>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
>> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
If I find flaws in the script, and logic, of a Superman comic book - that,
in no way, shape or form, indicates I believe Superman is actually a real
person.
Your ignorance, and mental corruption, seems to know no bounds.
>>
>> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>>
>> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>>
>> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
>> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
>> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
>
> Crap. Where does it say that they believe in Jesus?
> They are saying that one religion (*now* the primary one in Ireland) is
> inconsistent with the status quo (Judaism at the time).
>
> You either know this, in which case your argument is in bad faith, or you
> don't, in which case you're an idiot.
>
>>
>> Priceless!
>>
>> They believe in Jesus!
>>
>> But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
>> their anti-religious campaign!
>>
>> AND they support the Kangaroo Court and claim his benign statement
>> WAS Blasphemous!
>>
>> What do people, more fair minded than these anti-religious
>> atheists who condemn Jesus for Blasphemy, think..
>>
>> Is that statement by Jesus, telling his accusers that THEY,
>> not He, have said He is the Son of God, and telling them he is the
>> Son of Man.. breaking Jewish, or any other Law?
>>
>> Especially as History has confirmed that we would see him
>> "sitting on the right hands of power" 2000 years after the
>> religious authorities of that day did what the atheists
>> support and would do again, kill a man for speaking;
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>> They really are anti-religion, and so their works should come
>> under anti-hate-speech legislation, not blasphemy laws!
Bull shit!
A very large part OF religion is based on hatred of all other religions and
people.
Since ALL religions have absolutely no evidence, there is nothing that sets
them apart from fairy tales.
You CANNOT have "hate speech" against fairy tales. (Unless, of course,
you're an ignorant religious fanatic insanely whining about Harry Potter).
But the final answer - if our freedoms give you the right to act like your
deranged religious beliefs are sacrosanct;
those same freedoms give others the right to act like your religious beliefs
(including anything related to blasphemy) are nothing but slimy bullshit.
You are no different than the Muslim terrorists who threaten death to anyone
who fails to honor Muhammad they way THEY command.
Smiler
Yep. They'll stop leaving a crock of gold at the end of the rainbow, in
protest.
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Uncle Arnold
>> fasgnadh wrote: yet
>> another pile of bull shit.
>>>
>>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy
>>> law by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its
>>> website."
>
> Can't even open a post without lying.
> THERE IS NO law against blasphemy.
Ireland now has a blasphemy law, you stupid piece of shit. You are a
disgrace to atheism, you witless, ignorant wankflannel.
Catch up with reality, shit-for-brains:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
A.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
> >>
> Haven't you been toilet trained YET? B^p
Fasgnadh is terh one dirtying his diaper, and doing it noisily.
;-)
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHA
And often.
>
> Are you saying their evidence is all imaginary?
Those religious nuts are trying to abridge free speech.
> but I'm surprised to see you on the side of atheists and pharisees
> trying to railroad Jesus on a blasphemy charge in the Kangaroo
> Court of atheist OPINION! uninformed as it is!
If there actually was an historical Jesus as described in the New
Testament, then that trial is long since over and done with, with the
defendant long since convicted and the sentence long since executed.
>
> I mean.. he can't even DEFEND himself! ;-)
Pretty wimpy of him, if actually a god, not to be able to defend himself.
> If you are saying this is a case of FALSE WITNESS, then it is the
> ATHEISTS and YOU who have committed perjury!
Since none of them testified in that trial, or under oath anywhere else,
no perjury obtains. Or if it does, Fasgnadh is equally guilty of it.
>
> Here is the atheist account, their first example of what THEY
> claim to be 'Blasphemy'
>
> #
> # 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
> # in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
> # I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
> # man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
> # in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
> # Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
> # deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
> # they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
> I see no evidence of Jesus breaking Jewish law by what he said.
And just how expert is Fasgnadh in the state of Jewish Law during the
reign of Tiberius Caesar?
>
> ( And of course, if he IS a messenger of God, well, you know,
> YHWH does what He Wills.. and you can just bitch and whine
> about it, as usual! ;^)
If there were a YHWH , then wouldn't his son have enough clout to
override one of Ceasar's flunkys?
>
> >> AND they support the Kangaroo Court and claim his benign statement
> >> WAS Blasphemous!
Not until you can prove that that particular god exists (and no other
gods exist).
Fasgnadh is apparently invincibly ignorant on all matters having to do
with religion or humanity.
He really should read "Good without God".
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> fur...@mail.croydon.ac.uk wrote:
> > An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>
> Well, I don't agree with curtailing freedom of speech
Says Fasgnadh, then goes on to encourage curtailing freedom of speech.
>
> If a NEW blasphemy law is being introduced by a democratic
> government, it suggests religion is growing stronger and has
> decided to push back against the violent extremism of militant
> atheism.
Only in Eire. It, and the USA are the only two reasonably rich and
reasonably free nations in the world infected by such militant theism.
Everywhere outside of Eire or the RC sect, that law is regarded as a
vicious curtailment of freedom of speech.
>
Those Erse theists are as violent and sociopathic
as their forerunners.
In article
<da5b25cb-e210-40f1...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Immortalist <reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...an alternative to traditional religion by the Humanist chaplain at
> Harvard University
>
> With the current state of the economy, the ongoing wars that rage
> across the globe, and the unsettling changes to the earth's climate,
> questions about the role of God and religion in world affairs have
> never been more relevant or felt more powerfully. Many of us are
> searching for a place where we can find not only facts and scientific
> reason but also hope and the moral courage needed to overcome such
> challenges. For some, answers to the most challenging questions are
> found in the divine. For others, including the New Atheists, religion
> has no place in the world and is, in fact, an "enemy."
>
> But in Good Without God, Greg Epstein presents another, more balanced
> and inclusive response: Humanism. With a focus on the positive, he
> highlights humanity's potential for goodness and the ways in which
> Humanists lead lives of purpose and compassion. Humanism can offer the
> sense of community we want and often need in good times and bad, as we
> celebrate marriages and the birth of our children, and as we care for
> those who are elderly or sick. In short, Humanism teaches us that we
> can lead good and moral lives without supernaturalism, without higher
> powers . . . without God.
>
> In this constructive response not only to his fellow atheists Richard
> Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris but also to contemporary
> religious leaders such as Rick Warren and Jim Wallis, Epstein makes a
> bold claim for what nonbelievers do share and believe. At a time when
> the debate about morality rages more fiercely than ever�and when
> millions are searching for something they can put their faith in�
> Humanism offers a comfort and hope that affirms our ability to live
> ethical lives of personal fulfillment, aspiring together for the
> greater good of all.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Good-Without-God-Billion-Nonreligious/dp/0061670111
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
Good for them.
Eire should move into the 21st century.
B J Foster
Certainly, but can you???
Where exactly does this statement imply that a person named 'Jesus
Christ' claimed that he was the 'son of God' *and* assert that it was true?
"Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64:
'Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
of heaven'. According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief priests
and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous,
and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it".
>
> In the very first of THEIR 25 examples of BLASPHEMY
> They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
>
> You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
> wouldn't you BJ? ;-)
No you wouldn't, you silly idiot, if a mad-hatter such as yourself
claimed that he was the 'son of God' then that too would be blasphemous
UNLESS IT WAS TRUE.
Silly fool - Jeez, you're thick!
fasgnadh
>B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
>>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>
> Can't even open a post without lying.
Perhaps you shouldn't open any posts then, if you are just
going to lie compulsively! 8^o
> THERE IS NO law against blasphemy.
Please read the news, no one can take a complete moron such as you
seriously!
>>> http://www.atheist.ie/
>>>
>>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
>>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
>>> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
when the facts can't be refuted, atheists attempt
argument by analogy.. always weak:
> If I find flaws in the script, and logic, of a Superman comic book
Are you saying atheists use Fiction for their 25 examples
of Blasphemy?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
> that, in no way, shape or form, indicates I believe Superman
> is actually a real person.
It does if you claim Kryptonite is one of 25 examples
you offer to the public of an ELEMENT!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAAA!
Do you have to practice to COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT
or are you just congenitally moronic?
The atheists have cited Jesus as the first of 25 people
who they claim have committed "blasphemy"
How can they claim Jesus committed blasphemy, or
was wrongly CONVICTED, if he did not exist??????
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
If he didn't exist, then the atheist 'evidence' is worthless.
> ignorance, and mental corruption, seems to know no bounds.
not in any atheist newsgroup, whatsoever!
>
>
>>> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>>>
>>> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>>> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>>> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>>> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>>> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>>
>>>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
>>> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
>>> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
>>
>> Crap.
Haven't you been toilet trained YET? B^p
>> Where does it say that they believe in Jesus?
Can't you read, you illiterate moron?
In the very first of THEIR 25 examples of BLASPHEMY
They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
wouldn't you, BJ? ;-)
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHA
You are a Fucking Idjut, BJ! B^D
Are you saying their evidence is all imaginary?
Well, it IS a documented fact that atheists are well known
for their forgery and lies;
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/241e548808b786f8?hl=en
but I'm surprised to see you on the side of atheists and pharisees
trying to railroad Jesus on a blasphemy charge in the Kangaroo
Court of atheist OPINION! uninformed as it is! B^p
I mean.. he can't even DEFEND himself! ;-)
>> They are saying that one religion (*now* the primary one in Ireland) is
>> inconsistent with the status quo (Judaism at the time).
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
You either know this, in which case your argument is in
bad faith, or you don't, in which case you're an idiot.
and In your case, both are probably true
>>> Priceless!
>>>
>>> They believe in Jesus!
>>>
>>> But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
>>> their anti-religious campaign!
>>>
>>> AND they support the Kangaroo Court and claim his benign statement
>>> WAS Blasphemous!
Neither the Sanhedrin nor the atheists have been able to
show how Jesus blasphemed.. can you?
"And, desiring to get at the reason for their attack on him,
I took him down to their Sanhedrin:
Then it became clear to me that it was a question of their law, and that
nothing was said against him which might be a reason for prison or
death." Acts 23:28-29
>>> What do people, more fair minded than these anti-religious
>>> atheists who condemn Jesus for Blasphemy, think..
Well, no one has any evidence AGAINST Jesus, so he
is innocent of the charge and must go free! 8^)
>>> Is that statement by Jesus, telling his accusers that THEY,
>>> not He, have said He is the Son of God, and telling them he is the
>>> Son of Man.. breaking Jewish, or any other Law?
No one can show any crime.. the charges against Jesus are false!
>>> Especially as History has confirmed that we would see him
>>> "sitting on the right hands of power" 2000 years after the
>>> religious authorities of that day did what the atheists
>>> support and would do again, kill a man for speaking;
>>>
>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>>
>>> They really are anti-religion, and so their works should come
>>> under anti-hate-speech legislation, not blasphemy laws!
>
> Bull shit!
You are not very adept at rational argument are you.
Your emotive outbursts are not REASON. And following your
irrational abuse with mere OPINION, devoid of supporting evidence
is pathetic;
> A very large part OF religion is based on hatred of all
> other religions and people.
Your unfounded beliefs are worthless.
There is no significant religious hatred in the MAJORITY
RELIGIOUS society I live in, nor in the USA, Europe, Canada
or any of the Free, Democratic, open MAJORITY religious societies
even you atheist HYPOCRITES choose to live in!
And none of them have exhibited religious animosity to the degree
of the terror torture and mass murder of over 70,000,000 people
by the atheist regimes!
I will be happy to consider any religion you can show responsible
for the death of 70,000,000 as atheist regimes are!
Atheists claim "There is no God"
But they have NO PROOF! It's just un unfounded BELIEF
This is just OFF-TOPIC, irrelevant BABBLE;
> Since ALL religions have absolutely no evidence, there is nothing that sets
> them apart from
atheism
> You CANNOT have "hate speech" against fairy tales.
You are such a dimwitted liar.. the hate speech targets THEISTs,
it has nothing to do with proof for the existence or non existence
of God, as neither of you have any! B^]
> (Unless, of course, you're an ignorant
atheist claiming that Jesus was guilty of Blasphemy
but you don't think he existed! pfffffft! B^D
> But the final answer
Oh dear, this lunatic believes he has the Final Solution... the Last
Word! Despite his track record of having NO ANSWERS so far!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
> - if our freedoms
the freedoms that MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in MAJORITY
RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES have created..
> give you
minority atheists, living in the open, democratic societies created
by the MAJORITY RELIGIOUS population
> the right to act like your
> beliefs are sacrosanct;
then atheists should abandon their hate filled anti-theism and show
some fucking GRATITUDE, because, as atheists complain about Christians
posting in alt.atheism, "if you piss on their beliefs, they may tire
of you and pass laws curbing your violent abuse and vilification:
> those same freedoms give others the right
only so long as the Majority religious democracies extend it..
> to act like your
atheist
> beliefs (including anything related to blasphemy) are nothing but slimy bullshit.
I have enjoyed your total inability to explain how
Jesus is one of the atheists 25 listed examples of
blasphemy when you can neither show in what way he blasphemed,
nor make up your mind if he existed or the atheists
are liars who use fiction as invalid 'evidence'! B^]
But your insane ranting is simply absurd, especially as I have said
I don't favour blasphemy laws, I think you should be prosecuted
for hate-crimes, threatening violence and advocating genocide
(and as the atheist regimes carried it out in the last 7 decades,
we have good reason to believe your threats) and under anti-vilification
laws.
Australia has some. A test case has already shown that action against
US citizens can be taken in Australian courts for breaches of
anti-vilification laws.
Religions in countries with similar legislation will no doubt consider
taking on the moral shitpigs who advocate murder and Genocide, as
the Atheist warlord has done, with the support of the alt.atheism NG!
Atheists are no different from neo-Nazis, except that they want to
repeat their mass murders of the theists they hate, and their holocausts
were bigger;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
> You are no different than the Muslim terrorists who threaten death to anyone
Apart from the small fact that I don't threaten death to anyone! B^)
You fuckwit! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAA
Atheists do!
# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:05:13 -0700 (PDT)
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# Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
#
# On Sep 26, 5:46=A0am, Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net> wrote:
# >
# > We kill theists and shit down their throats
# >
# > Warlord Steve
# > BAAWA
#
# ------------------------------------------------------------------
# BAAWA Knightette (?) Applicant
Trance signs up to Kill theists and shit down their throats. 8^o
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh showed atheists QUOTING Jesus, claiming he blasphemed:
On the website called "atheist ireland publishes 25 blasphemous quotes"
The first person they QUOTE and label a 'blasphemer' is Jesus! 8^o
we all know the Sanhedrin accused Him.. but here we have THE
ATHEISTS accusing him!!!!!!
They clearly acknowledge.. Jesus existed! Q.E.D.
Apparently BJ thinks atheists are in the habit of quoting Jesus,
along with 24 other REAL PEOPLE, calling them all blasphemers,
and then trying to tell us they don't exist!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
Priceless!
>> Can't you read, you illiterate moron?
>
> Certainly, but can you???
Sure, I have told you more than THREE times now that the
atheist website published TWENTY FIVE blasphemous QUOTES.
All from people the atheists claim have committed BLASPHEMY! B^]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(they don't actually PROVE that what Jesus said was blasphemy,
(atheists never have proof, and besides it WASN'T ;-) but that
is not the issue)
Here is what they say about the 25 QUOTES:
"Despite these quotes being abusive and insulting in
relation to matters held sacred by various religions,
we unreservedly support the right of these people to
^^^^^^^^^^^^
have published or uttered them, and we unreservedly
support the right of any Irish citizen to make
comparable statements"
B^D BJ is arguing that atheists support the rights of
people who DON'T EXIST!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAA
Well, certainly, no atheist regime ever supported the
rights of people who DO EXIST! BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA!
Here's the website, can you read it's URL?
http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-quotes/
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
Now BJ, unable to hold his ground anymore, changes his position from
denying that atheists believe Jesus exists to some other irrelevant
bullshit that is just a feeble GROUND SHIFT to matters I have ALREADY
TOLD HIM: [he's done and dusted! B^]
fasgnadh
Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
and declare they will support:
"2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
�Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.�
Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
and support his right to say what they have quoted:
"we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
published or uttered..."
Priceless! B^]
Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
are from real people, including Jesus!!! B^D
Augustus O'Muircheartaigh
Note the lack of wild capitalisation and fanciful analogies with
chess.
I am an atheist.
I do not believe in God.
Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed.
It is hard to prove; I am not too bothered either way.
If he did exist, I do not believe he was God.
If he did exist, I do not believe he was the son of God.
As I already said, he may not have existed anyway.
This blasphemy law is ridiculous.
One way to show that is to point out that this Jesus person,
who may not even have existed, is supposed to have said something,
which if he said it in "modern" Ireland, would be legally blasphemous.
Read it slowly; perhaps read it a few times; digest it piece by piece;
take it easy; it is quite simple really.
Fr. Des
Lars Eighner
lovely and talented fasgnadh broadcast on alt.atheism:
> Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
> is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
> and declare they will support:
You cannot expect Irish atheists to get it right first thing out of the
chute.
"When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a
woman in the audience stood up and said, 'Yes, but is it the God of the
Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?'"
-Quentin Crisp (1908-1999) (sometimes attributed to Bertand Russell)
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> Warbama's Afghaninam day: 33
805.2 hours since Warbama declared Viet Nam II.
Warbama: An LBJ for the Twenty-First century. No hope. No change.
B J Foster
> B J Foster faces checkmate in 1 move:
>> fasgnadh showed atheists QUOTING Jesus, claiming he blasphemed:
>>> B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
>>>> fasgnadh defends Jesus from atheist slander and vilification:
>>>>>
>>>>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.atheist.ie/
>>>>>
>>>>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
>>>>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
>>>>> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
>>>>>
>>>>> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>>>>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>>>>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>>>>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>>>>> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>>>>> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>>>>> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>>>>> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>>>>
>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>>>>>
>>>>> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
>>>>> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
>>>>> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
>>>>>
Wotta moron.
If someone claimed that he was the 'son of God' then that would be
blasphemous under the new Irish law.
The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence of
someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'.
How does that amount to the said atheist BELIEVING IN GOD?
>>>>> Priceless!
>>>>>
25 years as a troll and you still can't get it right.
>>>>> They believe in Jesus!
>>>>>
>>>>> But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
>>>>> their anti-religious campaign!
>>>>
>>>> Crap.
>>>
>>> Haven't you been toilet trained YET? B^p
>>>
>>>> Where does it say hat they believe in Jesus?
>
<snip faghdagh's verbal diarrhea>
Lisbeth Andersson
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21g2000yqj.googlegroups.co
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<...>
> I am an atheist.
> I do not believe in God.
> Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed.
> It is hard to prove; I am not too bothered either way.
> If he did exist, I do not believe he was God.
> If he did exist, I do not believe he was the son of God.
> As I already said, he may not have existed anyway.
>
> This blasphemy law is ridiculous.
> One way to show that is to point out that this Jesus person,
> who may not even have existed, is supposed to have said
> something, which if he said it in "modern" Ireland, would be
> legally blasphemous.
<...>
Now all we need is a religion that regard the idea of "Jesus is
God" as blasphemous, and we can sit back and watch while they all
sue the pants (or frocks) off each other.
Lisbeth.
--
The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
B J Foster
>
> Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
> is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
> and declare they will support:
You've had this explained to you at least 4 times.
How thick can you get?
Free Lunch
<lis...@bredband.net> wrote in alt.atheism:
>"Augustus O'Muircheartaigh" <victorb...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:8144e538-21c3-46c3-afa3-c8822484cd56@
>21g2000yqj.googlegroups.co
>m:
>
>Newsgroups trimmed, because something will not let me post to more
>than four groups, and FU set.
>
><...>
>> I am an atheist.
>> I do not believe in God.
>> Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed.
>> It is hard to prove; I am not too bothered either way.
>> If he did exist, I do not believe he was God.
>> If he did exist, I do not believe he was the son of God.
>> As I already said, he may not have existed anyway.
>>
>> This blasphemy law is ridiculous.
>> One way to show that is to point out that this Jesus person,
>> who may not even have existed, is supposed to have said
>> something, which if he said it in "modern" Ireland, would be
>> legally blasphemous.
><...>
>
>Now all we need is a religion that regard the idea of "Jesus is
>God" as blasphemous, and we can sit back and watch while they all
>sue the pants (or frocks) off each other.
That would be Islam.
F�achad�ir
>"Augustus O'Muircheartaigh" <victorb...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:8144e538-21c3-46c3-afa3-c8822484cd56@
>21g2000yqj.googlegroups.co
>m:
>
>Newsgroups trimmed, because something will not let me post to more
>than four groups, and FU set.
>
><...>
>> I am an atheist.
>> I do not believe in God.
>> Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed.
>> It is hard to prove; I am not too bothered either way.
>> If he did exist, I do not believe he was God.
>> If he did exist, I do not believe he was the son of God.
>> As I already said, he may not have existed anyway.
>>
>> This blasphemy law is ridiculous.
>> One way to show that is to point out that this Jesus person,
>> who may not even have existed, is supposed to have said
>> something, which if he said it in "modern" Ireland, would be
>> legally blasphemous.
><...>
>
>Now all we need is a religion that regard the idea of "Jesus is
>God" as blasphemous,
We've got two that I can think of. They're called Judaism and Islam...
>and we can sit back and watch while they all
>sue the pants (or frocks) off each other.
>
>
>Lisbeth.
--
'Donegal: Up Here It's Different'
� F�achad�ir
Svenne
<lis...@bredband.net> wrote:
>Now all we need is a religion that regard the idea of "Jesus is
>God" as blasphemous, and we can sit back and watch while they all
>sue the pants (or frocks) off each other.
There already is such a religion. It's called Islam.
Svenne
Mike Jones
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:40:26 GMT, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>
>>Responding to thomas p.:
>>
>>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy
>>>>>> law by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> Good on 'em!
>>>>
>>>> Where do I donate money?
>>>>
>>>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>>>> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
>>>
>>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed only if the
>>> victim files a complaint.
>>
>>What victim?
>
> That insubstantial and unevidenced Person, god. And the complaint must
> be signed in the presence of reliable witnesses.
>
What victim? What witnesses? ;\
--
*=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/
*=( For all your UK news needs.
Mike Jones
> On Jan 2, 8:03 am, fur...@mail.croydon.ac.uk wrote:
>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>
> The list they provided of "blasphemous statements was exceptionally well
> done and I'll be following this challenge closely.
>
> As I mentioned on another group where this topic is also being
> discussed, in my opinion, we need our own NGO which can take resolutions
> to the UN so that we can get appropriate UN Legislation passed to
> protect ourselves and the world community from this type of theocratic
> incursion into the secular state.
One has to be very careful not to fall into the political game thats
currently playing.
As soon as you have a "group", a "demographic", you have limitations and
rules regarding inclusion and exclusion, not to mention "official
categorisation" etc.
Where one was a freethinker, one becomes a state registered\recognised
"New Atheist", a "Bright", or any other limiting and media-manipulatable
socio-political demographic "club".
Note the noises about atheism being "accepted as a valid choice", and
those who are looking to be in charge of the application and control of
those "sub-groups".
Whats needed is to get rid of religious rules being applied to everybody
as if the churches had any right to power over those who chose to ignore
them, not some "official protector" for a "minority".
Same rights for all, or nobody has any.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence of
Jesus as a god.
Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
there was such a man WHO WAS ALSO A GOD.
And none of Fasgnadh's ditherings have in any way supported that claim.
thomas p.
"Lisbeth Andersson" <lis...@bredband.net> skrev i meddelelsen
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> "Augustus O'Muircheartaigh" <victorb...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:8144e538-21c3-46c3-afa3-c8822484cd56@
> 21g2000yqj.googlegroups.co
> m:
>
> Newsgroups trimmed, because something will not let me post to more
> than four groups, and FU set.
>
> <...>
>> I am an atheist.
>> I do not believe in God.
>> Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed.
>> It is hard to prove; I am not too bothered either way.
>> If he did exist, I do not believe he was God.
>> If he did exist, I do not believe he was the son of God.
>> As I already said, he may not have existed anyway.
>>
>> This blasphemy law is ridiculous.
>> One way to show that is to point out that this Jesus person,
>> who may not even have existed, is supposed to have said
>> something, which if he said it in "modern" Ireland, would be
>> legally blasphemous.
> <...>
>
> Now all we need is a religion that regard the idea of "Jesus is
> God" as blasphemous, and we can sit back and watch while they all
> sue the pants (or frocks) off each other.
Wasn't Jesus supposed to have been accused and tried for blasphemy for
making
exactly that claim?
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On the website called "atheist ireland publishes 25 blasphemous quotes"
>
> The first person they QUOTE and label a 'blasphemer' is Jesus!
>
> we all know the Sanhedrin accused Him.. but here we have THE
> ATHEISTS accusing him!!!!!!
So far, we have only heard the case for the defence.
Fairness requires we also listen to the case for the prosecution before
making up our minds.
But those whose minds are already made up despise fairness.
>
> They clearly acknowledge.. Jesus existed!
So did Al Capone. So what?
>
> >> Can't you read, you illiterate moron?
> >
> > Certainly, but can you???
>
> Sure, I have told you more than THREE times now that the
> atheist website published TWENTY FIVE blasphemous QUOTES.
Those quotes are not necessarily blasphemous unless Jesus was actually
god, which issue has not yet been settled.
>
> All from people the atheists claim have committed BLASPHEMY!
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> (they don't actually PROVE that what Jesus said was blasphemy,
Did the Sanhedrin say it was blasphemy. If so, that was apparently at
the time sufficient to indite. We have heard the defence case innumealbe
times, and now the defenders wish to silence the prosecution.
Since the prosecution prevailed and sentence has been carried out, it is
too late for the defence to reopen the case.
>
> Here is what they say about the 25 QUOTES:
>
> "Despite these quotes being abusive and insulting in
> relation to matters held sacred by various religions,
> we unreservedly support the right of these people to
> have published or uttered them, and we unreservedly
> support the right of any Irish citizen to make
> comparable statements"
>
> B^D BJ is arguing that atheists support the rights of
> people who DON'T EXIST!!!
> Here's the website, can you read it's URL?
>
> http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-quotes
> /
Which begins <quote>
From today, 1 January 2010, the new Irish blasphemy law becomes
operational, and we begin our campaign to have it repealed. Blasphemy is
now a crime punishable by a �25,000 fine. The new law defines blasphemy
as publishing or uttering matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in
relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby intentionally
causing outrage among a substantial number of adherents of that
religion, with some defences permitted.
This new law is both silly and dangerous. It is silly because medieval
religious laws have no place in a modern secular republic, where the
criminal law should protect people and not ideas. And it is dangerous
because it incentives religious outrage, and because Islamic States led
by Pakistan are already using the wording of this Irish law to promote
new blasphemy laws at UN level.
We believe in the golden rule: that we have a right to be treated
justly, and that we have a responsibility to treat other people justly.
Blasphemy laws are unjust: they silence people in order to protect
ideas. In a civilised society, people have a right to to express and to
hear ideas about religion even if other people find those ideas to be
outrageous.
<unquote>
It was the establishment of equally repressive laws in England that
sparked the American colonies escape from repression.
And now those like Fasgnadh seek to support the reintroduction of of
such suppression.
When speech can be so repressed, freedom and justice die.
>
> > Where exactly does this statement imply that a person named 'Jesus
> > Christ' claimed that he was the 'son of God' *and* assert that it was true?
> >
> > "Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64:
> > 'Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the
> > Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
> > of heaven'. According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief priests
> > and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous,
> > and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it".
> >
> >>
> >> In the very first of THEIR 25 examples of BLASPHEMY
> >> They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
> >>
> >> You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
> >> wouldn't you BJ?
Would you have to be god, or would it be enough merely to be off your
rocker, to be able to claim that you are god?
It is not Jesus existence as a man which is at issue, but his existence
as a god.
And claiming to be god does not make one a god.
And a Jew claiming to be a god may well have been blasphemous according
to the local laws at that time. Nowadays, of course, we would merely
force such a person to see a shrink.
Trance Gemini
I agree but how do we accomplish that?
My reasoning for having an NGO is simply to have UN legislation passed
which requires exactly that sort of thing.
Member countries are then required to follow it and this blasphemy
nonsense is ended.
Right now, no-one seems to speaking up to defend secularism and that
voice needs to be heard IMO.
This is the best way I can think of to accomplish that.
B J Foster
> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>
> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence of
> Jesus as a god.
Did you have to spell it out?
Trance Gemini
Just to clarify it's the secular state that needs to be defended at
the UN level not atheism per se.
Protecting the secular state has the by-product of protecting the
rights of atheists.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
> >> fasgnadh lies again:
> >>>
> >>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
> >>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
> >
> > Fasgnadh can't even open a post without lying.
>
Perhaps Fasgnadh shouldn't open any posts then, if he isjust
going to lie compulsively!
>
> > THERE IS NO law against blasphemy.
There is now in Eire:
http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-q
uotes/
But that loss of freedoms is what you get when ANY theist religion gets
a strangle hold on a nation. If this law on blasphemy holds up in Eire,
other repressions will soon follow.
> >>>
> >>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
> >>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS
And simultaneously claim that Jesus is not god (if he were it would be
no blasphemy for anyone to say so).
> > If I find flaws in the script, and logic, of a Superman comic book
>
> Are you saying theists use Fiction
Yup!
http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-q
uotes/
List of the 25 allegedly Blasphemous Quotes Published by 'Atheist
Ireland' from the above site:
1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64:
�Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
of heaven.� According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief priests
and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous,
and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44: �Ye are
of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He
was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because
there is no truth in him.� This is one of several chapters in the
Christian Bible that can give a scriptural foundation to Christian
anti-Semitism. The first part of John 8, the story of �whoever is
without sin cast the first stone�, was not in the original version, but
was added centuries later. The original John 8 is a debate between Jesus
and some Jews. In brief, Jesus calls the Jews who disbelieve him sons of
the Devil, the Jews try to stone him, and Jesus runs away and hides.
3. Muhammad, quoted in Hadith of Bukhari, Vol 1 Book 8 Hadith 427: �May
Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship
at the graves of their prophets.� This quote is attributed to Muhammad
on his death-bed as a warning to Muslims not to copy this practice of
the Jews and Christians. It is one of several passages in the Koran and
in Hadith that can give a scriptural foundation to Islamic
anti-Semitism, including the assertion in Sura 5:60 that Allah cursed
Jews and turned some of them into apes and swine.
4. Mark Twain, describing the Christian Bible in Letters from the Earth,
1909: �Also it has another name � The Word of God. For the Christian
thinks every word of it was dictated by God. It is full of interest. It
has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched
history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of
a thousand lies� But you notice that when the Lord God of Heaven and
Earth, adored Father of Man, goes to war, there is no limit. He is
totally without mercy � he, who is called the Fountain of Mercy. He
slays, slays, slays! All the men, all the beasts, all the boys, all the
babies; also all the women and all the girls, except those that have not
been deflowered. He makes no distinction between innocent and guilty�
What the insane Father required was blood and misery; he was indifferent
as to who furnished it.� Twain�s book was published posthumously in
1939. His daughter, Clara Clemens, at first objected to it being
published, but later changed her mind in 1960 when she believed that
public opinion had grown more tolerant of the expression of such ideas.
That was half a century before Fianna Fail and the Green Party imposed a
new blasphemy law on the people of Ireland.
5. Tom Lehrer, The Vatican Rag, 1963: �Get in line in that processional,
step into that small confessional. There, the guy who�s got religion�ll
tell you if your sin�s original. If it is, try playing it safer, drink
the wine and chew the wafer. Two, four, six, eight, time to
transubstantiate!�
6. Randy Newman, God�s Song, 1972: �And the Lord said: I burn down your
cities � how blind you must be. I take from you your children, and you
say how blessed are we. You all must be crazy to put your faith in me.
That�s why I love mankind.�
7. James Kirkup, The Love That Dares to Speak its Name, 1976: �While
they prepared the tomb I kept guard over him. His mother and the
Magdalen had gone to fetch clean linen to shroud his nakedness. I was
alone with him� I laid my lips around the tip of that great cock, the
instrument of our salvation, our eternal joy. The shaft, still throbbed,
anointed with death�s final ejaculation.� This extract is from a poem
that led to the last successful blasphemy prosecution in Britain, when
Denis Lemon was given a suspended prison sentence after he published it
in the now-defunct magazine Gay News. In 2002, a public reading of the
poem, on the steps of St. Martin-in-the-Fields church in Trafalgar
Square, failed to lead to any prosecution. In 2008, the British
Parliament abolished the common law offences of blasphemy and
blasphemous libel.
8. Matthias, son of Deuteronomy of Gath, in Monty Python�s Life of
Brian, 1979: �Look, I had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was
that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.�
9. Rev Ian Paisley MEP to the Pope in the European Parliament, 1988: �I
denounce you as the Antichrist.� Paisley�s website describes the
Antichrist as being �a liar, the true son of the father of lies, the
original liar from the beginning� he will imitate Christ, a diabolical
imitation, Satan transformed into an angel of light, which will deceive
the world.�
10. Conor Cruise O�Brien, 1989: �In the last century the Arab thinker
Jamal al-Afghani wrote: �Every Muslim is sick and his only remedy is in
the Koran.� Unfortunately the sickness gets worse the more the remedy is
taken.�
11. Frank Zappa, 1989: �If you want to get together in any exclusive
situation and have people love you, fine � but to hang all this
desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book,
who knows if you�ve been bad or good � and cares about any of it � to
hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working.�
12. Salman Rushdie, 1990: �The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of
the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn
other ideas � uncertainty, progress, change � into crimes.� In 1989,
Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran issued a fatwa ordering Muslims to kill
Rushdie because of blasphemous passages in Rushdie�s novel The Satanic
Verses.
13. Bjork, 1995: �I do not believe in religion, but if I had to choose
one it would be Buddhism. It seems more livable, closer to men� I�ve
been reading about reincarnation, and the Buddhists say we come back as
animals and they refer to them as lesser beings. Well, animals aren�t
lesser beings, they�re just like us. So I say fuck the Buddhists.�
14. Amanda Donohoe on her role in the Ken Russell movie Lair of the
White Worm, 1995: �Spitting on Christ was a great deal of fun. I can�t
embrace a male god who has persecuted female sexuality throughout the
ages, and that persecution still goes on today all over the world.�
15. George Carlin, 1999: �Religion easily has the greatest bullshit
story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people
that there�s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything
you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special
list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of
these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and
burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and
suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever �til the
end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He
always needs money! He�s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and
all-wise, somehow just can�t handle money! Religion takes in billions of
dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now,
talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!�
16. Paul Woodfull as Ding Dong Denny O�Reilly, The Ballad of Jaysus
Christ, 2000: �He said me ma�s a virgin and sure no one disagreed, Cause
they knew a lad who walks on water�s handy with his feet� Jaysus oh
Jaysus, as cool as bleedin� ice, With all the scrubbers in Israel he
could not be enticed, Jaysus oh Jaysus, it�s funny you never rode, Cause
it�s you I do be shoutin� for each time I shoot me load.�
17. Jesus Christ, in Jerry Springer The Opera, 2003: �Actually, I�m a
bit gay.� In 2005, the Christian Institute tried to bring a prosecution
against the BBC for screening Jerry Springer the Opera, but the UK
courts refused to issue a summons.
18. Tim Minchin, Ten-foot Cock and a Few Hundred Virgins, 2005: �So
you�re gonna live in paradise, With a ten-foot cock and a few hundred
virgins, So you�re gonna sacrifice your life, For a shot at the greener
grass, And when the Lord comes down with his shiny rod of judgment, He�s
gonna kick my heathen ass.�
19. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion, 2006: �The God of the Old
Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction:
jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a
vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic,
racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential,
megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.� In 2007
Turkish publisher Erol Karaaslan was charged with the crime of insulting
believers for publishing a Turkish translation of The God Delusion. He
was acquitted in 2008, but another charge was brought in 2009. Karaaslan
told the court that �it is a right to criticise religions and beliefs as
part of the freedom of thought and expression.�
20. Pope Benedict XVI quoting a 14th century Byzantine emperor, 2006:
�Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find
things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword
the faith he preached.� This statement has already led to both outrage
and condemnation of the outrage. The Organisation of the Islamic
Conference, the world�s largest Muslim body, said it was a �character
assassination of the prophet Muhammad�. The Malaysian Prime Minister
said that �the Pope must not take lightly the spread of outrage that has
been created.� Pakistan�s foreign Ministry spokesperson said that
�anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages
violence�. The European Commission said that �reactions which are
disproportionate and which are tantamount to rejecting freedom of speech
are unacceptable.�
21. Christopher Hitchens in God is not Great, 2007: �There is some
question as to whether Islam is a separate religion at all� Islam when
examined is not much more than a rather obvious and ill-arranged set of
plagiarisms, helping itself from earlier books and traditions as
occasion appeared to require� It makes immense claims for itself,
invokes prostrate submission or �surrender� as a maxim to its adherents,
and demands deference and respect from nonbelievers into the bargain.
There is nothing-absolutely nothing-in its teachings that can even begin
to justify such arrogance and presumption.�
22. PZ Myers, on the Roman Catholic communion host, 2008: �You would not
believe how many people are writing to me, insisting that these horrible
little crackers (they look like flattened bits of styrofoam) are
literally pieces of their god, and that this omnipotent being who
created the universe can actually be seriously harmed by some third-rate
liberal intellectual at a third-rate university� However, inspired by an
old woodcut of Jews stabbing the host, I thought of a simple, quick
thing to do: I pierced it with a rusty nail (I hope Jesus�s tetanus
shots are up to date). And then I simply threw it in the trash, followed
by the classic, decorative items of trash cans everywhere, old
coffeegrounds and a banana peel.�
23. Ian O�Doherty, 2009: �(If defamation of religion was illegal) it
would be a crime for me to say that the notion of transubstantiation is
so ridiculous that even a small child should be able to see the insanity
and utter physical impossibility of a piece of bread and some wine
somehow taking on corporeal form. It would be a crime for me to say that
Islam is a backward desert superstition that has no place in modern,
enlightened Europe and it would be a crime to point out that Jewish
settlers in Israel who believe they have a God given right to take the
land are, frankly, mad. All the above assertions will, no doubt, offend
someone or other.�
24. Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O�Connor, 2009: �Whether a person is atheist
or any other, there is in fact in my view something not totally human if
they leave out the transcendent� we call it God� I think that if you
leave that out you are not fully human.� Because atheism is not a
religion, the Irish blasphemy law does not protect atheists from abusive
and insulting statements about their fundamental beliefs. While atheists
are not seeking such protection, we include the statement here to point
out that it is discriminatory that this law does not hold all citizens
equal.
25. Dermot Ahern, Irish Minister for Justice, introducing his blasphemy
law at an Oireachtas Justice Committee meeting, 2009, and referring to
comments made about him personally: �They are blasphemous.� Deputy Pat
Rabbitte replied: �Given the Minister�s self-image, it could very well
be that we are blaspheming,� and Minister Ahern replied: �Deputy
Rabbitte says that I am close to the baby Jesus, I am so pure.� So here
we have an Irish Justice Minister joking about himself being blasphemed,
at a parliamentary Justice Committee discussing his own blasphemy law,
that could make his own jokes illegal.
Virgil
> "Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64:
> 'Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the
> Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
> of heaven'. According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief priests
> and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous,
> and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it".
If it were actually Jesus CHRIST who was being asked, he would already
have to have been cruxified, so the Bible boobed. Again. As usual.
Lou Ravi
Sorry, wrong. christ/christus just means anointed (see 'chrism'), it has
nothing to do with crucifixion.
Virgil
B J Foster <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> Virgil wrote:
> > In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> > fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
> >
> > Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
> > but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence of
> > Jesus as a god.
>
> Did you have to spell it out?
There are lots of theists for whom even spelling it out does not get
through to them.
re...@freeplace.net
For "bible" read very very old chinese whispers!
rebel
************************************
SCIENCE flys you to the moon.
RELIGION flys you into buildings!
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XaurreauX
> through to them.
>
>
>
> > > Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
> > > man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
As an atheist who understands that "Jesus Christ" is a myth, I feel
there is strong inferential evidence that this myth is based upon an
actual person or persons. Because lies, deception and obfuscation are
really their only defense, superstitionists such as fasgnadh, are
forced to pretend that recognition of this distinct possibility by non-
Christians is tantamount to "believing" in Jesus. It is highly
unlikely, but I think it would be both fascinating and amusing if they
found his body.
Enkidu
> My reasoning for having an NGO is simply to have UN legislation passed
> which requires exactly that sort of thing.
We *have* an NGO!
Welcome to the online home of the Center for Inquiry's mission to the
United Nations. The Center for Inquiry holds special consultative
status as a non-governmental organization, or NGO, under the UN
Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC). It maintains official
representation at UN headquarters in New York and UN offices in Geneva
and Vienna, where it works to defend the secular, scientific outlook
in the international community.
The UN mission, based in New York City under the direction of Dr.
Austin Dacey, also assists the coordination of CFI's international
initiatives, which can now be found in India, China, Egypt, Russia,
United Kingdom, Holland, Germany, Poland, Romania, Peru, Argentina,
Nigeria, Uganda, Kenya, and elsewhere. The Center for Inquiry is an
NGO in Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social
Council of the United Nations. We wish to express our strong
opposition to the proposed "Combating the Defamation of Religions"
resolution backed by the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC),
which the Third Committee will consider in the coming weeks.
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/unitednations
--
Enkidu
Trance Gemini
Thanks Enkidu. I'll look into it and see what they're doing on this.
Don Martin
It is up to this god chap to round up the witnesses. Perhaps by going door to
door?
-
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Uncle Arnold
>
> As an atheist who understands that "Jesus Christ" is a myth, I feel
> there is strong inferential evidence that this myth is based upon an
> actual person or persons.
And this 'strong inferential evidence' is ... uh, ... *what exactly*...?
Do, please, feel free to type it out for us in a way that doesn't make it
seem *stupidly insubstantial*...
Thanks!
A.
Les Hellawell
They may already have but it would be just one skeleton amongst
others. To quote Shakespeare (substituting Jesus for Ceasar):
Imperious Jesus, dead and turned to clay,
Might stop a hole to keep the wind away.
O, that that earth which kept the world in awe
Should patch a wall t�expel the winter�s flaw! (Hamlet, V, I)
So, he might be part of the mortar of some building in
Jerusalem. The wailing wall perhaps, or a shop down a
back streets. Possibly a Jewish Temple. Anything. Maybe
even emdedded in the paving of via Dolorossa and therefore
trodden on by thousands of Christians and Roman Catholics
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from: YORKSHIRE
The White Rose County
B J Foster
'dogmatic'
Mike Jones
Yeahbut...
The killer detail is in the switch from /preventing/ religious power from
gaining a handle on the lives of those outside it's voluntary subscriber-
base, and the establishement of a /promotion/ of the concept that non-
religious is a /sub-group/, and not the /default state/.
I see the PTB seeking to treat non-subscription as a sub-group thing, and
not the default state of things. Simply not playing their games doesn't
appear on their choice-radar.
Then there's "But what /kind/ of atheist are you?" etc.
Atheism-3.0 anyone? (Shudder!)
Mike Jones
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:50:47 GMT, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>
>>Responding to Don Martin:
>>
>>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:40:26 GMT, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Responding to thomas p.:
>>>>
>>>>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy
>>>>>>>> law by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its
>>>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good on 'em!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do I donate money?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>>>>>> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed only if the
>>>>> victim files a complaint.
>>>>
>>>>What victim?
>>>
>>> That insubstantial and unevidenced Person, god. And the complaint must
>>> be signed in the presence of reliable witnesses.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>What victim? What witnesses? ;\
>
> It is up to this god chap to round up the witnesses. Perhaps by going
> door to door?
>
What victim? What witnesses? What god? ;\
fasgnadh
> I am going to use short simple sentences
I suppose you have to, you clearly couldn't understand
my post, which explains why all you could do is SNIP IT
ENTIRELY, run away from the uncomfortable facts it contained,
and give us your entirely irrelevant OPINION, which has
absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the ISSUE.. which I
will repost to see if you can grow a brain and comprehend:
(I'm not holding my breath! B^]
<unsnip> [atheists ALWAYS snip and run, snip and run! B^p ]
> fasgnadh a post entirely based on ATHEIST claims:
and now, none of the atheists in alt.atheism want to deal
with the uncomfortable truth their POLITICAL campaign reveals:
>> B J Foster faces checkmate in 1 move:
>>> fasgnadh showed atheists QUOTING Jesus, claiming he blasphemed:
>>>> B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
>>>>> fasgnadh defends Jesus from atheist slander and vilification:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>>>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.atheist.ie/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the first of their attempts at anti-religious provocation
>>>>>> they admit the existence of the HISTORICAL JESUS and claim
>>>>>> that he committed blasphemy by refusing to answer a question!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>>>>>> in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>>>>>> I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>>>>>> man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>>>>>> in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>>>>>> Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>>>>>> deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>>>>>> they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The atheists not only admit to BELIEVING Jesus existed, but they
>>>>>> QUOTE SCRIPTURE in support of the charge of BLASPHEMY, and they
>>>>>> side with the court declaring that what he said was BLASPHEMY! B^D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Priceless!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They believe in Jesus!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But only when they can attack him USING BLASPHEMY LAWS as part of
>>>>>> their anti-religious campaign!
>>>>>
>>>>> Crap.
>>>>
>>>> Haven't you been toilet trained YET? B^p
>>>>
>>>>> Where does it say hat they believe in Jesus?
>>
>> On the website called "atheist ireland publishes 25 blasphemous quotes"
Note, we are dealing here with what ATHEISTs claim!! B^]
>> The first person they QUOTE and label a 'blasphemer' is Jesus! 8^o
They declare they "support the right" of all 25 people they quote
to post what the atheists say is blasphemy.
So they acknowledge the historical reality of Jesus, and use the
Bible as a reliable Primary Source!
Anyone may choose to refer to this post directly if atheist
thugs attack them, abuse them, forge their posts and then
hypocritically claim that no one but athesits can quote
scripture or discuss Jesus in (what they absurdly think of as)
THEIR NEWSGROUP! B^]
I hope everyone understands the principle at stake here.
Atheists have for years been JACKAL PACK attacking anyone
who effectively challenged their anti-theist hate mongering,
or quoted scripture to try and teach them some fundamental
honesty, integrity and decency. They have DEMANDED silence
from dissenting voices.. they have claimed their opinions
are SACROSANCT and to disagree is BLASPHEMY...
Now they are whining that someone might do the same to them!
Not has, but might, do what those hypocritical THUGS have been
doing for YEARS:
forgery, lies, slander:
and Hate filled, psychopathic VIOLENCE;
> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
> #
> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
> #
> # Warlord Steve
> # BAAWA
>
> Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
>
> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
> # Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
> # Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
> # Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
> #
> # On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
> # <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #
> # >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
> #
> # It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
> # The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
> #
> # Warlord Steve
> # BAAWA
The difference is simple. The Irish action is WITHIN the law,
it doesn't target any group, it outlaws a BEHAVIOUR!
The atheist thuggery ISN'T! B^p
Those who deliberately exhibit that behaviour, to harm others,
to vilify and preach hatred and violence.. are criminals.
I oppose blasphemy laws, I believe the atheists should be done for their
lies, vilification, abuse and slander via anti-hate speech laws!
B^]
>> we all know the Sanhedrin accused Him.. but here we have THE
>> ATHEISTS accusing him!!!!!!
>>
>> They clearly acknowledge.. Jesus existed! Q.E.D.
>>
>> Apparently BJ thinks atheists are in the habit of quoting Jesus,
>> along with 24 other REAL PEOPLE, calling them all blasphemers,
>> and then trying to tell us they don't exist!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
>>
>> Priceless!
>>
>>>> Can't you read, you illiterate moron?
>>>
>>> Certainly, but can you???
>>
>> Sure, I have told you more than THREE times now that the
>> atheist website published TWENTY FIVE blasphemous QUOTES.
>>
>> All from people the atheists claim have committed BLASPHEMY! B^]
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> (they don't actually PROVE that what Jesus said was blasphemy,
>> (atheists never have proof, and besides it WASN'T ;-) but that
>> is not the issue)
>>
>> Here is what they say about the 25 QUOTES:
>>
>> "Despite these quotes being abusive and insulting in
>> relation to matters held sacred by various religions,
>> we unreservedly support the right of these people to
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> have published or uttered them, and we unreservedly
>> support the right of any Irish citizen to make
>> comparable statements"
ATHEISTS HAVE DECLARED THEY SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE
LIKE JESUS TO SPEAK!!!!!
Let that be an END to the vicious hate-speach, the vile anti-theism
the lies and slander and forgery by atheists!!
They are now following the example of the Prince of Peace!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA!
>> B^D BJ is arguing that atheists support the rights of
>> people who DON'T EXIST!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAA
>>
>> Well, certainly, no atheist regime ever supported the
>> rights of people who DO EXIST! BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA!
>>
>>
>> Here's the website, can you read it's URL?
>>
>> http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-quotes/
>>
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
>>
>>
>> Now BJ, unable to hold his ground anymore, changes his position from
>> denying that atheists believe Jesus exists to some other irrelevant
>> bullshit that is just a feeble GROUND SHIFT to matters I have ALREADY
>> TOLD HIM: [he's done and dusted! B^]
>>
>>> Where exactly does this statement imply that a person named 'Jesus
>>> Christ' claimed that he was the 'son of God' *and* assert that it was
>>> true?
>>>
>>> "Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64:
>>> 'Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see
>>> the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the
>>> clouds of heaven'. According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief
>>> priests and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be
>>> blasphemous, and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it".
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the very first of THEIR 25 examples of BLASPHEMY
>>>> They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
>>>>
>>>> You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
>>>> wouldn't you BJ? ;-)
>>>
>>> No you wouldn't, you silly idiot, if a mad-hatter such as yourself
>>> claimed that he was the 'son of God' then that too would be
>>> blasphemous UNLESS IT WAS TRUE.
>>>
>>> Silly fool - Jeez, you're thick!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHA
>>>>
>>>> You are a Fucking Idjut, BJ! B^D
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying their evidence is all imaginary?
>>>>
>>>> Well, it IS a documented fact that atheists are well known
>>>> for their forgery and lies;
>>>>
>>>> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/241e548808b786f8?hl=en
>>>>
>>>> but I'm surprised to see you on the side of atheists and pharisees
>>>> trying to railroad Jesus on a blasphemy charge in the Kangaroo
>>>> Court of atheist OPINION! uninformed as it is! B^p
>>>>
>>>> I mean.. he can't even DEFEND himself! ;-)
>>>>
>>>>> They are saying that one religion (*now* the primary one in Ireland)
>>>>> is inconsistent with the status quo (Judaism at the time).
>>>>
>>>> I read their website.. they never said anything of the sort, you
>>>> pathetic liar!
>>>>
>>>> *I* quoted them, verbatim, and they quoted JESUS from the BIBLE,
>>>> to make their case.
>>>>
>>>> If you are saying this is a case of FALSE WITNESS, then it is the
>>>> ATHEISTS and YOU who have committed perjury! B^p
>>>>
>>>> Here is the atheist account, their first example of what THEY
>>>> claim to be 'Blasphemy'
>>>>
>>>> #
>>>> # 1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God,
>>>> # in Matthew 26:64: �Thou hast said: nevertheless
>>>> # I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of
>>>> # man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming
>>>> # in the clouds of heaven.� According to the Christian
>>>> # Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council
>>>> # deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and
>>>> # they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.
>>>>
>>>> They QUOTE Jesus and claim that those words are an example of
>>>> BLASPHEMY.. the first in their list of 24 other QUOTES!
>>>>
>>>> I can see that you and the atheists are incoinsistent.
>>>>
>>>> Give us the details of the historical examples where you
>>>> imagine some unspecified inconsistency exists'
>>>>
>>>> Use the example of Jesus, IF YOU THINK HE EXISTED! B^D
>>>>
>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
>>>>
>>>> But you will still have to show where the 'blasphemy' is. B^]
>>>>
>>>> To me it looks like a show trial. B^p
>>>>
>>>> You know Show Trials, BJ, they were the massive frauds
>>>> run by atheist regimes when they wanted to railroad
>>>> hundreds of thousands of victims who had blasphemed the
>>>> atheist regime.. just part of the 70,000,000 terrorised
>>>> tortured, lied to and killed by the atheist tyrannies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see no evidence of Jesus breaking Jewish law by what he said.
>>>>
>>>> ( And of course, if he IS a messenger of God, well, you know,
>>>> YHWH does what He Wills.. and you can just bitch and whine
>>>> about it, as usual! ;^)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You either know this, in which case your argument is in
>>>> bad faith, or you don't, in which case you're an idiot.
>>>>
>>>> and In your case, both are probably true
>>>>
>>>>>> AND they support the Kangaroo Court and claim his benign statement
>>>>>> WAS Blasphemous!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do people, more fair minded than these anti-religious
>>>>>> atheists who condemn Jesus for Blasphemy, think..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that statement by Jesus, telling his accusers that THEY,
>>>>>> not He, have said He is the Son of God, and telling them he is the
>>>>>> Son of Man.. breaking Jewish, or any other Law?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially as History has confirmed that we would see him
>>>>>> "sitting on the right hands of power" 2000 years after the
>>>>>> religious authorities of that day did what the atheists
>>>>>> support and would do again, kill a man for speaking;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They really are anti-religion, and so their works should come
>>>>>> under anti-hate-speech legislation, not blasphemy laws!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So far no one has been able to show that Jesus committed blasphemy,
>>>> and now we have doubts about the atheist 'evidence'! 8^o
>>>>
>>>> falsus in uno, falsis in omnibus
>>>>
>>>> all we have,in that case, is ATHEIST OPINION! B^D
And that is all they have: B^]
> I am an atheist.
> I do not believe in God.
> Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed.
So you believe atheism Ireland would cite non-existent people
in it's political propaganda?
Shocking.
No one will support them if they are so dishonest!
But you are wrong, they have already stated their
SUPPORT of every utterance of every PERSON they have
quoted, and they used the BIBLE as their Primary Source;
" we unreservedly support the right of these people "
^^^^^^^^^^^^
> It is hard to prove;
Oh, we are used to you atheists being unable to
prove your unfounded claims.
But now you will all have to allow the theists
to quote other words by Jesus and all the other
messengers of God, and to dispute your unfounded
slander that what Jesus said is Blasphemy!
Clearly lots of people will want to dispute
atheist lies and propaganda IN ALT.ATHEISM!
I kow I will! B^}
But, as usual, none of you intellectual midgets
are up to a rational debate.. you just snip all
the pertinent facts and reasoned argument and
give us your ignorance and apathy:
> I am not too bothered either way.
Sure you can be bothered to post, just 'not bothered'
enough to have any rational argument!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAH
The atheist attack on
> This blasphemy law is ridiculous
and hypocritical!
Nothing compares to the atheist regimes SUPRESSION of dissent
in EVERY atheist tyranny; the Union of Savage Slaughter and
Repression(USSR) Maoist China, Pol Pots Cambodian Genocide..
which terrorised tortured and killed over 70,000,000 in the
past century!!
and now atheist hypocrites want to re-enter politics!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA
They will be smashed like neo-nazis, whose holocaust
was smaller than the atheist one!
> One way to show that is to point out that this Jesus person,
> is supposed to have said something,
Great, now you have quoted him in alt.atheism, using the Bible
as a Primary Source, OTHERS HAVE THE SAME RIGHT!!!
Now you have acknowledged Jesus is a real person, albeit in your
PHONEY "Free Speech" hypocrisy, you can start CONDEMNING
the atheist jackal pack attacks, the slander, the abuse the
DEATH THREATS by violent Militant Atheists like those I
have provided documented evidence for.
Of course none of you hypocrites have ever criticised, let
alone distanced yourselves from atheist abuse of free speech..
So I suggest no one runs to your aid when you start bleating
like little bitches that someone might, someday, perhaps, maybe,
DO WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS!!
B^] This will be hilarious!
> which if he said it in "modern" Ireland, would be legally blasphemous.
B^D Prove it!
Part of the challenges I issued to you atheist THICK HEADS is that
the words of Jesus, which you atheists join the Sanhedrin in CONDEMNING
as BLASPHEMY, are NOT! B^)
You of course, snipped it, becasue atheists lack the ability to
construct REASONED arguments! B^D
Your have made the charge of Blasphemy against Jesus, he is innocent
until proven guilty.. so PROVE IT!
Read it slowly;
Don't snip it again, like a gutless intellectual coward
perhaps read it a few times; digest it piece by piece;
see if you can COMPREHEND IT, let alone refute it! B^}
take you time, we know you are quite simple, really.
--
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-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
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"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
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fasgnadh
>
> <snip faghdagh >
Atheists have lost the argument, snipped and ran!
As BJ now admits, (while denying he was wrong in the first place B^):
" The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence of
someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
And atheists say that is Jesus, so they believe in Jesus!
Q.E.D
Bow down,Unworthy vanquished vassal! B^D
>> The first person they QUOTE and label a 'blasphemer' is Jesus! 8^o
>>
BJ has no response.. he's done like a dinner on the ISSUE! B^]
>> we all know the Sanhedrin accused Him.. but here we have THE
>> ATHEISTS accusing him!!!!!!
>>
>> They clearly acknowledge.. Jesus existed! Q.E.D.
And they used the Bible as their Source!
If it's Good enough for Jesus, It's Good enough for Thee!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
>> Apparently BJ thinks atheists are in the habit of quoting Jesus,
>> along with 24 other REAL PEOPLE, calling them all blasphemers,
>> and then trying to tell us they don't exist!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
>>
>> Priceless!
>>
>>>> Can't you read, you illiterate moron?
>>>
>>> Certainly, but can you???
>>
>> Sure, I have told you more than THREE times now that the
>> atheist website published TWENTY FIVE blasphemous QUOTES.
BJ can't refute the TRUTH! He can only snip run and SHIFT GROUND!
>> All from people the atheists claim have committed BLASPHEMY! B^]
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> (they don't actually PROVE that what Jesus said was blasphemy,
>> (atheists never have proof, and besides it WASN'T ;-) but that
>> is not the issue)
>>
>> Here is what they say about the 25 QUOTES:
>>
>> "Despite these quotes being abusive and insulting in
>> relation to matters held sacred by various religions,
>> we unreservedly support the right of these people to
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> have published or uttered them, and we unreservedly
>> support the right of any Irish citizen to make
>> comparable statements"
'These People' the atheists quote, BJ, include Jesus, TWICE!
The atheists think he's a more quotable person than Dawkins!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA
>> B^D BJ is arguing that atheists support the rights of
>> people who DON'T EXIST!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAA
BJ can't refute the TRUTH! He can only snip run and SHIFT GROUND!
>> Well, certainly, no atheist regime ever supported the
>> rights of people who DO EXIST! BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA!
>>
>>
>> Here's the website, can you read it's URL?
>>
>> http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-quotes/
>>
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
>>
>>
>> Now BJ, unable to hold his ground anymore, changes his position from
>> denying that atheists believe Jesus exists to some other irrelevant
>> bullshit that is just a feeble GROUND SHIFT to matters I have ALREADY
>> TOLD HIM: [he's done and dusted! B^]
>>
>>> Where exactly does this statement imply that a person named 'Jesus
>>> Christ' claimed that he was the 'son of God' *and* assert that it was
>>> true?
>>>
>>> "Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64:
>>> 'Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see
>>> the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the
>>> clouds of heaven'. According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief
>>> priests and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be
>>> blasphemous, and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it".
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the very first of THEIR 25 examples of BLASPHEMY
>>>> They claim Jesus was blasphemous.
>>>>
>>>> You would have to EXIST to commit blasphemy,
>>>> wouldn't you BJ? ;-)
>>>
>>> No you wouldn't, you silly idiot, if a mad-hatter such as yourself
>>> claimed that he was the 'son of God'
They would have to exist to do that BJ! B^]
Not be a figment of YOUR feeble IMAGINATION! B^D
BJ can't refute the TRUTH! He can only snip run and SHIFT GROUND!
>>> Jeez, you're thick!
>>>
Don't call Jesus thick, you are the one who claims
someone the atheists cite as ONE OF THE PEOPLE
they cite as blasphemous, doesn't exist!
And yet you claim he's guilty of Blasphemy,
but like the atheists you have no PROOF,
from anything they cited, that he actually SAID,
that is blasphemous!
So you are all Delusional AND making false accusations
of at least ONE of the PEOPLE atheists support..
Jesus.. the Prince of Peace!
And Bj takes their case no further.. all the feeble moron
can manage now that he has been TROUNCED on the substance
of atheist's PUBLIC support for Jesus, is to claim that
IF Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, it would be blasphemy,
according to the atheist allies of the Sanhedrin...
but they present no proof of Jesus saying it!
Just like the Sanhedrin..
Yet they declare him guilty of Blasphemy...
Just like the Sanhedrin! 8^o
AND, THEY WOULD KILL HIM AGAIN, FOR THE SAME HATE FILLED REASONS,
IF HE RETURNED to preach peace and love.. such is their darkness;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>>> falsus in uno, falsis in omnibus
>>>>
>>>> all we have,in that case, is ATHEIST OPINION! B^D
What would you say about someone like you, BJ, who
ran from every claim he had made in this thread,
slithering onto new ground each time;
> Wotta moron.
Yes, you are ungracious and shabby in defeat. B^]
> If someone claimed that he was the 'son of God' then that would be
> blasphemous under the new Irish law.
Atheists using the Bible as their Primary Source quoted Jesus
saying he was the Son of *Man*, can't you read?
That's not blasphemy.. we ALL are! B^D
Are atheists claiming it's blasphemy to say we
descend from mankind??? you are rejecting the Fossil
evidence and evolution!?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHA
The atheists defended Jesus, acknowledging his right
as a person, to speak;
"we unreservedly support the right of these people"
Now that you have conceded that atheists recognise
Jesus as a PERSON, as real as Dawkins, we can discuss
atheist's unproven claims that he committed Blasphemy.
Because that is PRECISELY what atheists claim in their list
of 25 people they quote, and embrace as BLASPHEMERS!
YOur problem is that none of you have any PROOF
that was Jesus actually said is blasphemy.
Why do atheists BELIEVE, and state, Jesus is a 'Blasphemer'
WITHOUT PROOF??
Apart from the fact that are lying. slandering False Witnesses! B^]
> The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence of
> someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'.
They say that's Jesus, (I say where's your proof) so atheists
believe in Jesus, and you just repudiated your original
position:
"Where does it say hat they believe in Jesus?" - BJ, the fool! B^]
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHA
>
> How does that amount to the said atheist BELIEVING IN GOD?
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
>> is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
>> and declare they will support:
>>
>>
>> "2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
>> father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
>>
>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
>> and support his right to say what they have quoted:
>>
>> "we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> published or uttered..."
>>
>> Priceless! B^]
>>
>>
>> Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
>> are from real people, including Jesus!!! B^D
>
BJ has had this explained to him
> at least 4 times.
How thick can you get?
AS THICK AS PIGSHIT! B^D
fasgnadh
> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>
> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence of
> Jesus as a god.
Fine by me. B^]
Your problem is that you now recognise, as a historical
reality, one of the most potent proofs that God Exists! B^]
> Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
> man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
So the atheists are finally catching up with most of the rest of us!
The whole "Son of God" thing is way too complex for any of you new
believers in Jesus... Next you will really confuse yourselves
with that infernal Trinity.. keep it simple, Jesus on the Cross
called to God..
I don't think he was talking to himself.. do you? ;-)
> So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
> there was such a man WHO WAS
as HE claimed, sent by God, and fulfilled prophecy, and
influenced the course of human history like few before
or after Him, (and they also claimed to be from God... ;-)
So you now have strong evidence of God operating in the world,
like nothing else does.. inspiring and sustaining the most
successful civilisations on the planet.. far greater than any
of the atheist shitholes that have ever existed! B^]
Shit, you almost have us agnostics convinced the Theists are right!
You will all soon be theists, yourselves! B^D
> ALSO A GOD.
You believe A man is God? sounds like the Romans! B^D
fasgnadh
> Virgil wrote:
>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence
>> of Jesus as a god.
Fine by me. B^]
Your problem is that you now recognise, as a historical
reality, one of the most potent proofs that God Exists! B^]
>> Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
>> man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
So the atheists are finally catching up with most of the rest of us!
The whole "Son of God" thing is way too complex for any of you new
believers in Jesus... Next you will really confuse yourselves
with that infernal Trinity.. keep it simple, Jesus on the Cross
called to God..
I don't think he was talking to himself.. do you? ;-)
>> So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
>> there was such a man WHO WAS
as HE claimed, sent by God, and fulfilled prophecy, and
influenced the course of human history like few before
or after Him, (and they also claimed to be from God... ;-)
So you now have strong evidence of God operating in the world,
like nothing else does.. inspiring and sustaining the most
successful civilisations on the planet.. far greater than any
of the atheist shitholes that have ever existed! B^]
Shit, you almost have us agnostics convinced the Theists are right!
You will all soon be theists, yourselves! B^D
>> ALSO A GOD.
You believe A man is God? sounds like the Romans! B^D
> As an atheist who understands that "Jesus Christ" is a myth, I feel
> there is strong inferential evidence that this myth is based upon an
> actual person or persons. Because lies, deception and obfuscation are
> really their only defense, superstitionists such as
XaurreauX, and BJ, try
> to pretend that recognition of this distinct
> possibility by non- Christians is tantamount to "believing" in Jesus.
What do you atheists mean by "believing in Jesus" other than
the Irish atheists admission that he existed and taught and fulfilled
prophecy and inspired great and enduring civilisation? B^D
And is still talked about after all this time! Astonishing!
You all seem to rabbit on about other 'beliefs'.. especially Virgil
and BJ, about the 'Son of God'.. What do you mean by that???
I have shown that the atheists publicly support Jesus, they say so.
So far only the Sanhedrin, the Irish Atheists, BJ and Virgil
have talked about this 'Son of God' thing.. explain yourselves!
We know the Sanhedrin used it to accuse Jesus of Blasphemy..
just like the atheists do.. but WHERE IS THE PROOF.
Jesus says THEY said it, he says he is a son of man.. like
the rest of us!
I don't know what your 'beliefs' are, apart from the absurd idea that
you claim he was a 'Blasphemer' but you have no evidence proving it.
Can you explain what you mean.. I'm an agnostic who deals
in facts.. and as atheists admit, Jesus existed, taught,
inspired a great and enduring civilisation.. etc..
But Son of God? C'mon.. the Muslims cleared that one up! B^D
> It is highly unlikely,
Of course, on the cross he called out to God..
I don't think he was talking to himself, do you?
It's a subtle metaphysical issue.. wrapped in
a medieval misunderstanding.... I don't think any of
you fundamentalist are up to the discussion of it.
> but I think it would be both fascinating and amusing if they
> found his body.
Why?
He said he would be in a realm of the spirit..
Why would finding earthly remains be significant?
fasgnadh
> In our last episode, <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, the
> lovely and talented fasgnadh broadcast on alt.atheism:
Why thank you, you honest and fair spoken youth! ;-)
>> Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
>> is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
>> and declare they will support:
>>
>> "2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
>> �Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
>> father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
>> and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.�
>>
>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
>> and support his right to say what they have quoted:
>>
>> "we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> published or uttered..."
>>
>> Priceless! B^]
>>
>>
>> Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
>> are from real people, including Jesus!!! B^D
>
> You cannot expect Irish atheists to get it right
> first thing out of the chute.
You cannot expect atheists to EVER get it right, no matter
how may times they enter and exit that chute;
http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg
>
> "When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a
> woman in the audience stood up and said, 'Yes, but is it the God of the
> Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?'"
> -Quentin Crisp (1908-1999) (sometimes attributed to Bertand Russell)
B^) Nice One! B^)
Well, it's taken the theists centuries to all start to recognise
they all worship the One God... it will take centuries more
for the atheists to update their straw men and stereotypes! B^D
fasgnadh
> Virgil wrote:
>> In article <hhtk06$9m0$1...@feeder.eternal-september.org>,
>> B J Foster <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
Note my claims are simple factual and PROVEN.. Leaving the
poor atheist losers nowhere to go than to sit in a tub of
ice-water to soothe their well kicked arses and to stroke each others
STRAW MAN bullshit, because that's all they can defeat;
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA
>>>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a
>>>> man, but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the
>>>> existence of Jesus as a god.
>>> Did you have to spell it out?
>>
>> There are lots of theists for whom even spelling it out does not get
>> through to them.
>>>
>>>> Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as
>>>> a man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
>>>>
>>>> So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
>>>> there was such a man WHO WAS ALSO A GOD.
>>>>
>>>> And none of Fasgnadh's ditherings have in any way supported that claim.
I should support YOUR claim? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
> 'dogmatic'
Yes, you are all BARKING mad! B^D
fasgnadh
> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>> Responding to furles:
>>>
>>>> blasphemy law by publishing a series of anti-religious
>>>> quotations on its website.
Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
and declare they will support:
"2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
�Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.�
Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
and support his right to say what they have quoted:
"we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
published or uttered..."
Priceless! B^]
Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
are from real people, including Jesus!!! B^D
So atheists believe in Jesus, quote the Bible as
a reliable Primary Source and want to talk theology!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA
>>> Good on 'em!
Hallelujah Brother! B^D
>> Where do I donate money?
I will send you my account number!
(An atheist and his money are soon parted! ;-)
> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed
> only if the victim files a complaint.
What fine will be imposed when Billions of Theists file
complaints about atheist hate speech and anti-theist violence: ?
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
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# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
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#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
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#
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# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
1,600,000 victims of atheist hate speech and slander right there! 8^o
I guess the Militant atheists won't have much support from
the majority religious societies around the world, who they
have viciously attacked and vilified.
No wonder atheists are flocking to Atheism 3.0!
L.Roberts
we have to conclude, that like fasagnadh, he was a real fucked up and
wacked out bastard. There are people, like this superstitious fuck,
fasagnerhd, who say that even as he was about to play dead he still
had the same delusions of grandeur that got his dumb ass crucified to
begin with. Thorough fucking whack job, just like this super
superstitious religi-idiotic asswipe, fasagnahd, so much so, nah, I
don't believe in reincarnation.
Something seems to have happened way back when, which was and is the
basis for this silly story, I'll have to admit that whoever engineered
this, 'hoax,' knew their sheeple. I don't believe there was any magic
done by anyone, just a series of slights of hand, that would not have
gotten anywhere in todays world, er, outside of, that is, the
phantasmagoric fantasy world of superstitious, gullible asswipes like
fasagnagh.
L.Roberts
Atheist
aa #2258
Trance Gemini
Yes that's always a concern and while I like the concept of atheistic
communities we are risking that, unfortunately.
We become a unit that can be marginalized as well.
However, I think a lot of us are just kind of sick of being on our own
with all of this and that's why the communities are evolving.
The benefit of having them is that we can also become a force that can
act together on issues like protecting the secular state.
So, we need to keep emphasizing the point that we are the default,
etc. and not let people get away with trying to claim that we are a
"subset" of anything or part of the theist paradigm.
It looks like the Center For Inquiry is doing some work on this issue
of "blasphemy" so that's reassuring.
John Locke
..good old Jebus was either an obscure, unimportant individual or
never existed at all as demonstrated by the complete lack of any
contemporary documents or artifacts. It is most likely that
the Jebus thing was rehashed from ancient pagan myths and
supplemented by scores of religious hacks. And voila..you've
got Christianity...just another fairy tale.
B J Foster
> B J Foster faces checkmate in 1 move:
>> fasgnadh showed atheists QUOTING Jesus, claiming he blasphemed:
>>> B J Foster joins atheists & Pharisees charging Jesus with blasphemy:
>>>> fasgnadh defends Jesus from atheist slander and vilification:
>>>>>
>>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website."
>>>>>
If some mad-hatter named faghdagh called himself the 'son of God', would
that not be blasphemy?
Sorry about the big words. Please don't think about this while you're
eating or breathing - I don't want to be responsible for taxing your
brain too much while it is performing essentially functions.
>
B J Foster
> XaurreauX wrote:
>> Virgil wrote:
>>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>>>
>>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>
> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
>
> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>
>
I am not an atheist.
B J Foster
> Virgil wrote:
>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
>>
>> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>
> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
>
> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>
When you fuck it up completely you seem to go beserk.
Do you have an 'off' switch?
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
> is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
> and declare they will support:
>
> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
> and support his right to say what they have quoted
> Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
> are from real people, including Jesus!!! B^D
>
> So atheists believe in Jesus, quote the Bible as
> a reliable Primary Source and want to talk theology!
Either that or they are just poking fun at the stupid Irish lawmakers,
which some of the other statements in their posting would seem to
indicate.
>
> >>> Good on 'em!
>
>
> What fine will be imposed when Billions of Theists file
> complaints about atheist hate speech and anti-theist violence
There are not billions of theists in Ireland, and other than in Ireland,
there is no such law.
> I guess the Militant atheists won't have much support from
> the majority religious societies around the world
But the non-militant atheists, e.g.,the Humanists, and all merely
non-theists are strongly supported by all of the STRONGLY SECULAR
DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS
No wonder so many theists are deserting religions and flocking to
Humanism.
In article
<da5b25cb-e210-40f1...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Immortalist <reanima...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...an alternative to traditional religion by the Humanist chaplain at
> Harvard University
>
> With the current state of the economy, the ongoing wars that rage
> across the globe, and the unsettling changes to the earth's climate,
> questions about the role of God and religion in world affairs have
> never been more relevant or felt more powerfully. Many of us are
> searching for a place where we can find not only facts and scientific
> reason but also hope and the moral courage needed to overcome such
> challenges. For some, answers to the most challenging questions are
> found in the divine. For others, including the New Atheists, religion
> has no place in the world and is, in fact, an "enemy."
>
> But in Good Without God, Greg Epstein presents another, more balanced
> and inclusive response: Humanism. With a focus on the positive, he
> highlights humanity's potential for goodness and the ways in which
> Humanists lead lives of purpose and compassion. Humanism can offer the
> sense of community we want and often need in good times and bad, as we
> celebrate marriages and the birth of our children, and as we care for
> those who are elderly or sick. In short, Humanism teaches us that we
> can lead good and moral lives without supernaturalism, without higher
> powers . . . without God.
>
> In this constructive response not only to his fellow atheists Richard
> Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris but also to contemporary
> religious leaders such as Rick Warren and Jim Wallis, Epstein makes a
> bold claim for what nonbelievers do share and believe. At a time when
> the debate about morality rages more fiercely than ever�and when
> millions are searching for something they can put their faith in�
> Humanism offers a comfort and hope that affirms our ability to live
> ethical lives of personal fulfillment, aspiring together for the
> greater good of all.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Good-Without-God-Billion-Nonreligious/dp/0061670111
B J Foster
> thomas p. wrote:
>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>
>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new
>>>>> blasphemy law by publishing a series of anti-religious
>>>>> quotations on its website.
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>
>
> Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
> is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
> and declare they will support:
>
> "2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
> �Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
> father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
> and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.�
>
> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
> and support his right to say what they have quoted:
Where's Angus?
Can you run this at half-wit speed please?
1. If you believe in Jesus, then what he said is "blasphemy" according
to Ireland's new law.
2. If you do not believe in Jesus, then what he said is "blasphemy"
according to Ireland's new law.
This shows that it is irrelevant whether or not the person who posted
the quote is a theist or an atheist.
Father Haskell
>
> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
I can think of several mildly important American deists
who said much the same thing.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> B J Foster wrote:
> > Virgil wrote:
> >> In article <hhtk06$9m0$1...@feeder.eternal-september.org>,
> >> B J Foster <bjfo...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Virgil wrote:
> >>>> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> >>>> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
They equally recognize the reality of Tiberius Caesar, without acceding
to the claim of godhood of either.
>
> Note my claims are simple
Only in the sense that one would have to be extraordinarily simple
minded to make them.
.
> >>>>
> >>>> And none of Fasgnadh's ditherings have in any way supported that claim.
>
>
> I should support YOUR claim? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
Mine make a good deal more sense than any of Fasgnadh's do.
Ben Kaufman
>Responding to thomas p.:
>
>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>
>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy law
>>>>> by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its website.
>>>>
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>>>>
>>>> Good on 'em!
>>>
>>> Where do I donate money?
>>>
>>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>>> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
>>
>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed only if the victim
>> files a complaint.
>
>
>What victim?
Luke Skywalker?
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > You cannot expect Irish theists to get it right
> > first thing out of the chute.
>
You cannot expect theists to EVER get it right, no matter
how may times they enter and exit that chute;
>
> >
> > "When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a
> > woman in the audience stood up and said, 'Yes, but is it the God of the
> > Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?'"
> > -Quentin Crisp (1908-1999) (sometimes attributed to Bertand Russell)
>
> B^) Nice One! B^)
>
> Well, it's taken the theists centuries to all start to recognise
> they all worship the One God...
And they haven't done it yet.
American fundamentalists are quite sure that the god they worship is
totally unrelated to the one the RC's worship
> it will take centuries more
> for the atheists to update their straw men and stereotypes!
Since atheists are already in agreement that there are no gods worth
worshipping, they need none of the straw men or stereotypes that theists
all depend on.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> XaurreauX wrote:
> > Virgil wrote:
> >> In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> >> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
> >>
> >> Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>
> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
One would be hard put to claim that George Carlin and Samuel Clemens,
two of those cited in those 25 allegedly blasphemies, are both imaginary
beings who did not exist.
>
>
> >> but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence
> >> of Jesus as a god.
>
> Fine by me. B^]
>
> Your problem is that you now recognise, as a historical
> reality, one of the most potent proofs that God Exists!
Then equally, you must recognize as an historical reality, the most
potent proofs that each of the Ceasars exists as a god , i.e., that they
existed as men and were proclaimed gods in their own time.
> >> Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
> >> man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
>
>
> So the atheists are finally catching up with most of the rest of us!
The atheists/agnostics/humanists have LNG been well ahead of all thiests.
>
> The whole "Son of God" thing is way too complex for any of you new
> believers in Jesus... Next you will really confuse yourselves
> with that infernal Trinity.. keep it simple, Jesus on the Cross
> called to God..
>
> I don't think he was talking to himself.. do you? ;-)
If you don't think so then you are saying that Jesus was not god.
>
> >> So the big issue is not whether there was a certain man, but whether
> >> there was such a man WHO WAS GOD
>
>
> So you now have strong evidence of God operating in the world
WE have no such thing. There have been thousands of people throughout
history who have claimed to be gods.
And no conclusive evidence that any of them were right.
> Shit, you almost have us agnostics
Shit is just the sort of agnostic that Fasgnadh is.
> What do you atheists mean by "believing in Jesus" other than
> the Irish atheists admission that he existed and taught and fulfilled
> prophecy and inspired great and enduring civilisation?
If Fasgnadh sees that in what the Irish atheists published, he is off
his meds again.
Acknowledging the existence of a human as a human does not of itself
acknowledge the existence of any god.
>
> You all seem to rabbit on about other 'beliefs'.. especially Virgil
> and BJ, about the 'Son of God'.. What do you mean by that???
That as far as anyone can show, there is no god for anyone to be a son
of. Of bitches there are enough for fasgnadh to be the son of one, but
of gods not.
>
> So far only the Sanhedrin, the Irish Atheists, BJ and Virgil
> have talked about this 'Son of God' thing.. explain yourselves!
That claim by Jesus is part of the blasphemy for which he was convicted
and executed.
>
> We know the Sanhedrin used it to accuse Jesus of Blasphemy..
> just like the atheists do.. but WHERE IS THE PROOF.
Where is the transcript of the trial?
>
> Jesus says THEY said it, he says he is a son of man. like
> the rest of us!
We do not know what he said without a certified transcript.
>
> I don't know what your 'beliefs' are, apart from the absurd idea that
> you claim he was a 'Blasphemer' but you have no evidence proving it.
Since we are not the ones trying him, what evidence we do or do not have
is hardly relevant.
>
> Can you explain what you mean.. I'm an agnostic
# Faghdagh - formerly 'Che' - was ostensibly a marxist for most of
# his netlife. He rebirthed himself only recently, presumably because
# defending basket cases like Zimbabwe, Cuba and North Korea became
# simply too challenging even for a veteran net kook.
>
But Son of God? C'mon.. the Muslims cleared that one up!
Then why is Fasgnadh still pushing it?
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Virgil wrote:
> > In article <DIl0n.66820$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> > fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ
> >
> > Some atheists may 'recognise' the historical reality of Jesus as a man,
>
> Are you one of them or are you opposing the Irish atheist
> campaign like BJ and declaring that their campaign is
> bullshit, based on imaginary beings who don't exist!?
I am merely saying that there is no conclusive evidence of the existence
of ANY gods, regardless of which religion claims them.
>
> Oh, that would be your usual criticism of RELIGION, wouldn't it!!! B^D
My usual criticism is not of religion in general, as there are religions
which I respect, such as Buddhism, for example.
My criticisms are of theism.
>
>
> > but, by definition of "atheist", none of them recognize the existence of
> > Jesus as a god.
>
> Fine by me.
And, in fact no atheist recognizes the existence of any of jesus'
competitors for godhood either.
>
> Your problem is that you now recognise, as a historical
> reality, one of the most potent proofs that God Exists!
The Imperator Caesars have at least as good evidence of godhood as
Jesus, and a lot better evidence of existence in the first place.
The existence of an historical Jesus is no better evidence of godly
existence than the existence of an historical Tiberius Caesar.
Fasgnadh seems dedicated to the goal of proving himself an ass, toward
which ultimate goal he gets closer with every posting.
>
> > Note that Muslims also recognise the historical reality of Jesus as a
> > man but NOT a god, and I suspect most Jews do too.
>
>
> So the atheists are finally catching up with most of the rest of us!
Then Fasgnadh concedes that the Muslims are right about Jesus!
http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-q
uotes/
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Augustus O'Muircheartaigh wrote:
> > I am going to use short simple sentences
>
> I suppose you have to
He does if Fasgnadh is to come even close to comprehending it.
>
> Note, we are dealing here with what ATHEISTs claim!!
Since atheists do not claim gods, their claims are at least within the
pale.
>
>
> They declare they "support the right" of all 25 people they quote
> to post what the atheists say is blasphemy.
>
> So they acknowledge the historical reality of Jesus
They equally acknowledge the historical reality of Pontius Pilate and
the whole Sanhedrin, but do not claim that any of them are gods.
> I hope everyone understands the principle at stake here.
Fasgnadh clearly doesn't, as that very principle proves him wrong.
>
>
Fasgnadh's attacks on atheism are Hate filled, psychopathic VIOLENCE;
> The difference is simple. The Irish action is WITHIN the law,
> it doesn't target any group, it outlaws a BEHAVIOUR!
It abrogates freedom of speech, thus is the first step to dictatorship
and the evils that the Nazis brought to the world.
> Those who deliberately exhibit that behaviour, to harm others,
> to vilify and preach hatred and violence.. are criminals.
Sounds like Fasgnadh hitting on himself, as he continually preaches
hatred and violence against innocent humanist and non-theists.
ATHEISTS HAVE DECLARED THEY SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE
LIKE THEMSELVES TO SPEAK!!!!!
>
Let that be an END to the vicious hate-speach, the vile anti-atheism
the lies and slander by Roman Catholic Irish theists!!
http://blasphemy.ie/2010/01/01/atheist-ireland-publishes-25-blasphemous-q
uo
>
> > I am an atheist.
> > I do not believe in God.
> > Jesus may have existed or he may not have existed.
>
> So you believe atheism Ireland would cite non-existent people
> in it's political propaganda?
Why not, the theist Irish who made that vicious law do it all the time.
>
> Shocking.
>
No one will support theists if they are so dishonest!
>
> Oh, we are used to you atheists being unable to
> prove your unfounded claims.
And we Humanists are used to you theists being unable to prove your
claims.
One major difference being that we do not demand tithing from those who
agree with us.
>
Clearly lots of people will want to dispute theist lies and propaganda
IN ALT.ATHEISM!
>
> I kow I will! B^}
Shouldn't that be "cow"?
>
> The atheist attack on This blasphemy law is ridiculous and
> hypocritical!
That blasphemy law's attack on freedom of speech is Fascist.
>
Nothing compares to the IRISH regimes SUPRESSION of dissent
in its theist tyranny
> They will be smashed like neo-nazis
It is the action of the Eire government that isnearest to neo-nazism.
>
> Of course none of you hypocrites have ever criticised, let
> alone distanced yourselves from atheist abuse of free speech.
it is the Eire government's attempt to eliminate the right of free
speech which is the crime here.
>
> So I suggest no one runs to your aid when you start bleating
> like little bitches that someone might, someday, perhaps, maybe,
> DO WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS!!
You mean defending free speech from fascists like you?
>
> Your have made the charge of Blasphemy against Jesus, he is innocent
> until proven guilty.. so PROVE IT!
If there ever was a biblical Jesus, then the biblical account shows that
he was tried, convicted and executed for blasphemey, or whatever.
At this point, the only justification for reopening the case would be
the existence of new evidence. Of which there is none.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
Fasgnadh has lost the argument, snipped and ran!
> " The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence of
> someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
Actually most atheists also believe in the existence of the Roman
Imperators most of whom either claimed or were proclaimed to be gods.
So that Jesus would be at most a minor god in such a pantheon.
And Fasgnadh would at most be one of Satan's minor imps.
Lou Ravi
> In article <BGG0n.67026$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>
> Fasgnadh has lost the argument, snipped and ran!
>
>> " The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence
>> of someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
>
> Actually most atheists also believe in the existence of the Roman
> Imperators most of whom either claimed or were proclaimed to be gods.
Jeez. Do you have a brain. I believe that Jesus existed, I believe that
(these) Roman Emperors existed. Now how the fuck can you extrapolate form
that that I believe any of them were gods?
You really are exceptionally stupid.
Virgil
"Lou Ravi" <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
It is Fasgnadh who implies that extrapolation.
Since I an an agnostic and atheistic humanist, I do not believe any of
them are gods, nor do I expect anyone else to do so. However I do
believe that those Roman emperors once existed.
fasgnadh
> Mike Jones wrote:
>> Responding to thomas p.:
>>
>>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a
>>>>>> new blasphemy law by publishing a series of
>>>>>> anti-religious quotations on its website.
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy' the second one
is also from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
and declare they will support:
"2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44:
�Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.�
Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
and support his right to say what they have quoted:
"we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
published or uttered..."
Priceless! B^]
Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
are from real people, including Jesus, whom they support!!! B^D
>>>>> Good on 'em!
>>>> Where do I donate money?
What, an atheist donate money for the biggest and longest running
charity on Earth, rather than spend it on useless Bus Propaganda and
public whining that they are 'persecuted' in the most open, democratic
and free MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies on the planet???
Why don't you buy a bus ticket to some atheist state paradise instead,
you hypocritical ingrates? Most of them have long since collapsed
in misery death and despair, but Nth Korea is still an option, if you
don't mined a police state and regular famine! pfffffft!
>>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed
>>> only if the victim files a complaint.
The 70,000,000 terrorised tortured and KILLED in atheist states
in the past century can't complain.. so it is despicable that you
suggest no crime is committed just because your victims can't
complain!
>> What victim?
Billions of them, and the current atheist death threats
are far more serious than the legal efforts to curb
Atheist slander, lies, abuse and violent hate speech;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
A fine of $1 per victim would run to Billions!
Great idea! B^D
> Precisely my dear Watson.
No probs, Shylock! B^]
Lou Ravi
OK
fasgnadh
> Virgil wrote:
>>BJ Wrote
>>> " The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence
>>> of someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
And atheists say that is Jesus.
>> Actually most atheists also believe in the existence of the Roman
>> Imperators most of whom either claimed or were proclaimed to be gods.
>
> Jeez. Do you have a brain. I believe that Jesus existed, I believe that
> (these) Roman Emperors existed. Now how the fuck can you extrapolate form
> that that I believe any of them were gods?
>
> You really are exceptionally stupid.
Not sure if you are referring to BJ or Virgil,
but in both cases you are clearly correct.
What is clear is that Irish atheists not only believe
in Jesus being real but also have publicly stated
they support him.
# Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy', two
# are from Jesus.. one of the people atheists recognise
# and declare they will support:
Atheists recognise the historical reality of Jesus Christ,
and support his right to say what they have quoted:
"we unreservedly support the right of these people to have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
published or uttered..."
Priceless! B^]
Atheists say the 25 quotes the atheists claim were blasphemy
are from real people, including Jesus, who they support!!! B^D
And they acknowledge the Bible as their reliable Primary Source!
Atheism 3.0 is REALLY TAKING OFF! Next they will be asking
to be baptised!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAA
What atheists haven't done is substantiate the charge of Blasphemy,
which they, like their Sanhedrin allies, levelled at Jesus without
proof, or fair trial, before they passed the death sentence;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
It is in that 'spirit' that atheist regimes terrorised tortured
and killed over 70,000,000 people, and yet atheist hypocrites who
still deny the holocausts caused by atheist tyrannies (Every atheist
state in history has been a catastrophic charnel house) are whining
that limits to their abuse, lies slander, death threats and hate-
speech might be curbed, perhaps, maybe, someday! Pffffft
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
NOT ONE ATHEIST IN USENET CONDEMNED THAT HATE-FILLED SOCIOPATH!!! 8^o
They supported him.. they call him their WARLORD!!! B^D
You can see a video of his atheist arse being kicked into
orbit at the alt.atheism FAQ;
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/2009/09/meet-fluffy-bawaa-factions-new-warlord.html
Atheists are WHINING moral defectives. Why don't they fuck off
to an atheist paradise, like Nth Korea, if they don't appreciate
living in free, open, democratic MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies???
Mike Jones
Don't take this the wrong way but...
Notice the language you're using there?
As soon as you start promoting "the secular state", you have a faction,
which in turn validates the other factions, and creates an arena where
once there was simple the open space to be what you wanted to be.
Once those who don't want to play a game are forced into playing a not-
playing-this-game game, those who create and regulate those games are
closer to the power they wanted to achive.
We shouldn't be arguing for "atheist rights" as thats a dead-end and
leads to officialised "minority status". What we really /should/ be
arguing /against/ is the idea that any particular group should be allowed
to gain undue influence in public affairs. While defending a right to
practice what you preach (har har) shouldn't be dismissed, allowing this
group or that to impose their designs on others is where the line should
be drawn very firmly indeed.
IOW, we are in danger of accepting minority status as a substitute for
the full freedom we once had (at least in theory), and still should have,
to go about our lives without interference or restriction brought about
by some already defined (by exclusion) minority group with their own
agendas for others.
There shouldn't be an "atheist community", nor should anyone accept such
a label or concept. Thats simply accepting preconstructed manipulative
marginalisation. Game over at that point.
Sing if you're glad to not pray!
Sing if you're happy that way. Hey!
;\
--
*=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/
*=( For all your UK news needs.
Olrik
> Lou Ravi wrote:
>> Virgil wrote:
>>> BJ Wrote
>>>> " The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence
>>>> of someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
>
> And atheists say that is Jesus.
We also say that the "son of Jor-El" is Superman.
What was your point again, fucking asshole?
<snip insanity>
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Lou Ravi wrote:
>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>> BJ Wrote
>>>>> " The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence
>>>>> of someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
>>
>> And atheists say that is Jesus.
>>
>
> We also say that the "son of Jor-El" is Superman.
It would be wasting our time to ask you for proof of any of your
beliefs! B^]
You have as much proof that Jesus blasphemed as you have
for your 'Ubermensch' atheist fantasy about the Son of Jor-el! B^D
Chesterton was right:
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing
� they believe in anything." - G.K. Chesterton:
>
> What was your point again
I've put it back, below, after you SNIPPED AND RAN FROM IT,
for all you atheist S-L-O-W Learners! B^D
What is your point?
> fucking asshole
Is there a special reason why you use your own head?
Penis too small to be felt? B^D
The arse-cheek blinkers are essential to your beliefs?
> <snip >
Gutless and irratiuonal atheists ALWYAS snip'n'run from the facts,
and leave a little pile of steaming atheist shit, in place of reasoned
argument, which they always LOSE... like this:
Why can't gutless atheists ANSWER the questions??? B^]
fasgnadh
> In article <4b43c4f3$1$936$ba4a...@news.orange.fr>,
> "Lou Ravi" <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>
>> Virgil wrote:
>>>> " The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence
>>>> of someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
>>> Actually most atheists also believe in the existence of the Roman
>>> Imperators most of whom either claimed or were proclaimed to be gods.
>> Jeez. Do you have a brain. I believe that Jesus existed, I believe that
>> (these) Roman Emperors existed. Now how the fuck can you extrapolate form
>> that that I believe any of them were gods?
>>
>> You really are exceptionally stupid.
>
> It is Fasgnadh who implies that extrapolation.
None of those words are mine! B^]
Thanks for demonstrating to Lou, and the entire Usenet audience,
that you are not only exceptionally stupid but a congenital
liar and post forger.
Lou, No one takes Virgil seriously, he is the atheist stooge
who forges posts so that other atheists have something stupid
enough that they can attack it, with some hope of victory! B^D
Watch any atheist thread and after they encounter rational
opposition, or are asked for proof of their slander, lies
and silly beliefs, they snip or forge, and then debate
their own, and each others, straw men.. they are the intellectual
equivalent of amoeba and the moral equivalent of Jello;
Virgil's Forgery is interesting in the light of their
whining about atheist 'Free Speech' to abuse, slander
and make death threats, because he admits their purpose
in forgery and personal attacks is to SILENCE any other
voices! 8^o
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As you can see Virgil impersonates Chung as part of his
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A. B Chungs actual post is below, you can see that text attributed
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__________________________________
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All of these sockpuppets are the same person
as can easily be determined from the headers.
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fasgnadh
> Virgil wrote:
>> In article <4b43c4f3$1$936$ba4a...@news.orange.fr>,
>> "Lou Ravi" <j.mu...@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>>> " The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence
>>>>> of someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
>>>> Actually most atheists also believe in the existence of the Roman
>>>> Imperators most of whom either claimed or were proclaimed to be gods.
>>> Jeez. Do you have a brain. I believe that Jesus existed, I believe that
>>> (these) Roman Emperors existed. Now how the fuck can you extrapolate
>>> form
>>> that that I believe any of them were gods?
>>>
>>> You really are exceptionally stupid.
>>
>> It is Fasgnadh who implies that extrapolation.
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aka ABCHUNG <A...@def.ghi>
aka hdangsaf <h...@ng.saf>
forgery and cyberstalking. Sock puppets are not criminal,
but DELIBERATE forgery impersonating ANOTHER PERSON, are!
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> OK
Wouldn't want you to be duped by taking Virgil
at face value and looking like a tool! B^]
Don Martin
>Responding to Don Martin:
>
>> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:50:47 GMT, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>
>>>Responding to Don Martin:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:40:26 GMT, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Responding to thomas p.:
>>>>>
>>>>>> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 2, 4:44 pm, Mike Jones <N...@Arizona.Bay> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Responding to furles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An atheist group in the Irish Republic has defied a new blasphemy
>>>>>>>>> law by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations on its
>>>>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8437460.stm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good on 'em!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do I donate money?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>>>>>>> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would suggest a compromise. A fine will be imposed only if the
>>>>>> victim files a complaint.
>>>>>
>>>>>What victim?
>>>>
>>>> That insubstantial and unevidenced Person, god. And the complaint must
>>>> be signed in the presence of reliable witnesses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>What victim? What witnesses? ;\
>>
>> It is up to this god chap to round up the witnesses. Perhaps by going
>> door to door?
>>
>
>
>What victim? What witnesses? What god? ;\
We'll know as soon as he shows up with them.
-
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Olrik
> Olrik wrote:
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>> Lou Ravi wrote:
>>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>>> BJ Wrote
>>>>>> " The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence
>>>>>> of someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
>>>
>>> And atheists say that is Jesus.
>>>
> >
> > We also say that the "son of Jor-El" is Superman.
>
> It would be wasting our time to ask you for proof of any of your
> beliefs!
What "beliefs"? Superman *IS* the son for Jor-El. It's a fact, moron.
<snip for decency>
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
A lot of lies.
Virgil
Fasgnadh stupidly ignores the obvious trend evidence in ARIS:
PERCENT INCREASES as derived from the ARIS data shows
# CATEGORY PERCENT INCREASE IN 7 YEARS(2001 to 2008)
# Non- religious 15.90 %
#
# Religious 8.93 %
#
# Agnostic 100.30 %
#
# Atheist 79.71 %
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Lou Ravi wrote:
> > Virgil wrote:
> >>BJ Wrote
> >>> " The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence
> >>> of someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
Atheists even more believe in the existence of people who claim to be
gods themselves, such as Caligula and Nero, not to mention numerous
occupants of Bedlam.
But we don't believe any of Them are, or are related to, any actual gods.
Only self-deluding fools like Fasgnadh would take anyone at his word
when making such claims.
> >> Actually most atheists also believe in the existence of the Roman
> >> Imperators, most of whom either claimed or were proclaimed to be gods.
> >
> > Jeez. Do you have a brain. I believe that Jesus existed, I believe that
> > (these) Roman Emperors existed. Now how the fuck can you extrapolate form
> > that that I believe any of them were gods?
That is entirely your own false interpretation of what I said, Fasgnadh.
Perhaps if you would learn to read English accurately, you would make
less of an ass of yourself.
I never said that any Roman Emperor was actually a god, nor that anyone
since the fall of Rome believed any of them were gods.That is entirely
your own false interpretation of what I said, Fasgnadh.
> What is clear is that Irish atheists not only believe
> in Jesus being real but also have publicly stated
> they support him.
That is not at all clear to anyone who can read English.
There is no evidence that those posting those 25 points necessarily
concur with the those points.
The atheists who posted them were merely pointing out the evil of a law
trying to make those 25 postings illegal.
>
>
> # Of 25 quotes the atheists claim are 'blasphemy'
It is the Erse government which is doing that.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Olrik wrote:
> > fasgnadh wrote:
> >> Lou Ravi wrote:
> >>> Virgil wrote:
> >>>> BJ Wrote
> >>>>> " The simple fact here is that an atheist believes in the existence
> >>>>> of someone who claimed to be the 'son of God'."
> >>
> >> And atheists say that is Jesus.
> >>
> >
> > We also say that the "son of Jor-El" is Superman.
>
> It would be wasting our time to ask you for proof of any of your
> beliefs!
Re gods we agnostic atheists have no beliefs at all, except that none
have ever been shown to exist.
>
> You have as much proof that Jesus blasphemed as you have
> for your 'Ubermensch' atheist fantasy about the Son of Jor-el!
And as little!
>
> Chesterton was right:
>
>
> "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing
> � they believe in anything." - G.K. Chesterton:
>
> Gutless and irratiuonal atheists
# Faghdagh - formerly 'Che' - was ostensibly a marxist for most of
# his netlife. He rebirthed himself only recently, presumably because
# defending basket cases like Zimbabwe, Cuba and North Korea became
# simply too challenging even for a veteran net kook.
>
> >>>> Actually most atheists also believe in the existence of the Roman
> >>>> Imperators most of whom either claimed or were proclaimed to be gods.
> >>>
> >>> Jeez. Do you have a brain. I believe that Jesus existed, I believe that
> >>> (these) Roman Emperors existed. Now how the fuck can you extrapolate
> >>> form
> >>> that that I believe any of them were gods?
There is at least as much evidence for the godhood of the Roman Emperors
as for any Jew called Jesus.
We atheists don't believe in any gods, but for those who do, Emperors
make much better ones than Jews do.
In article
<da5b25cb-e210-40f1...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com@,
Immortalist <reanima...@yahoo.com@ wrote:
@ ...an alternative to traditional religion by the Humanist chaplain at
@ Harvard University
@
@ With the current state of the economy, the ongoing wars that rage
@ across the globe, and the unsettling changes to the earth's climate,
@ questions about the role of God and religion in world affairs have
@ never been more relevant or felt more powerfully. Many of us are
@ searching for a place where we can find not only facts and scientific
@ reason but also hope and the moral courage needed to overcome such
@ challenges. For some, answers to the most challenging questions are
@ found in the divine. For others, including the New Atheists, religion
@ has no place in the world and is, in fact, an "enemy."
@
@ But in Good Without God, Greg Epstein presents another, more balanced
@ and inclusive response: Humanism. With a focus on the positive, he
@ highlights humanity's potential for goodness and the ways in which
@ Humanists lead lives of purpose and compassion. Humanism can offer the
@ sense of community we want and often need in good times and bad, as we
@ celebrate marriages and the birth of our children, and as we care for
@ those who are elderly or sick. In short, Humanism teaches us that we
@ can lead good and moral lives without supernaturalism, without higher
@ powers . . . without God.
@
@ In this constructive response not only to his fellow atheists Richard
@ Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris but also to contemporary
@ religious leaders such as Rick Warren and Jim Wallis, Epstein makes a
@ bold claim for what nonbelievers do share and believe. At a time when
@ the debate about morality rages more fiercely than ever�and when
@ millions are searching for something they can put their faith in�
@ Humanism offers a comfort and hope that affirms our ability to live
@ ethical lives of personal fulfillment, aspiring together for the
@ greater good of all.
@
http://www.amazon.com/Good-Without-God-Billion-Nonreligious/dp/0061670111