On 16/12/2012 00:04, Patrick wrote:
> "Budikka666" <
budi...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:cb8d38c9-1f63-430e...@h2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 6:48 pm, Fr Perro Rojo <
reddog1...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>> Otherwise the death toll would surely have been MUCH higher.
>
> Where was your god? Non-existent again?
> No god helped those poor children.
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>
> How can a God of love permit such things in His world as war, sickness,
> pain, and death, especially when their effects often are felt most keenly
> by those who are apparently innocent?
Because he is either useless, evil or non-existent.
>
> We need also to recognize that our very minds were created by God. We can
> only use these minds to the extent that He allows, and it is, therefore,
> utterly presumptuous for us to use them to question Him and His motives.
It is not presumptious at all- it is completely appropriate to question
the motives of a being who is supposedly able to prevent such a
slaughter of innocents, but either fails or declines to do so.
If you are unable to question it yourself then you are either completely
heartless or brain-dead.
>
> "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" (Genesis 18:25).
Apparently not in this case- He is supposed to have the power to prevent
such a thing from happening, but failed to do so.
There is absolutely no excuse or reason to allow the slaughter of
terrified, innocent young babies like this, no matter how hard you try
to excuse it.
>
> "Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, why hast Thou made me
> thus?" (Romans 9:20).
Why the hell not?
If He made us with a questioning mind, like you claim, then why on earth
shouldn't we use it?
>
> We ourselves do not establish the standards of what is right.
Yes we absolutely do.
There is no one else capable of setting any such standards for ourselves.
>Only the
> Creator of all reality can do that.
If such a thing exists, you mean, and clearly from this incident, it is
abundantly clear that a Creator does not exist, or at least, if it does,
it is a cruel, harsh and uncaring being to allow such pain into people's
lives for no reason whatsoever.
>We need to settle it, in our minds and
> hearts, whether we understand it or not, that whatever God does is, by
> definition, right.
We understand it completely- there is no God- just a crazed lunatic with
a grudge and a gun.
>
> There is really no such thing as the "innocent" suffering.
Of course there is, you fecking idiot.
What the hell do you think a five to ten year old could actually do to
qualify as a non innocent person?
Are you completely insane?
> Since "all have
> sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)
To hell with your crazy notion of sin.
I find it appalling to imagine that there are people in this world who
could consider a five year old child to be a sinner, and deserving a
horrible death like these children did.
You are a totally sick and twisted individual if you honestly believe that.
>, there is no one
> who has the right to freedom from God's wrath on the basis of his own
> innocence. As far as babies are concerned, and others who may be
> incompetent mentally to distinguish right and wrong, it is clear from both
> Scripture and universal experience that they are sinners by nature and thus
> will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so.
Looks like you just managed to confirm that you are a sick and twisted
individual after all.
How DARE you label those children as sinners and deserving to die, you
disgusting, despicable piece of crap.
Look at yourself and your own behaviour before you even try to place
blame on those kids, you sick bastard.
>
> The Lord Jesus Christ, who was the only truly "innocent" and "righteous" man
> in all history, nevertheless has suffered more than anyone else who ever
> lived.
Absolute crap.
He was temporarily dead for three days, according to your crazy book.
These kids are gone forever.
>And this He did for us! "Christ died for our sins" (I Corinthians
> 15:3). He suffered and died, in order that ultimately He might deliver the
> world from the Curse, and that, even now, He can deliver from sin and its
> bondage anyone who will receive Him in faith as personal Lord and Savior.
> This great deliverance from the penalty of inherent sin, as well as of overt
> sins, very possibly also assures the salvation of those who have died before
> reaching an age of conscious choice of wrong over right.
Take your ridiculous notion of salvation, fold it all up into nice
crinkly corners and shove it up your ass.
Here's a reality check for you these - children are dead, gone- after
dying a horrible, painful and terrifying death, and you are one sick
fucker if you think for even one moment that they deserved that because
they were somehow "sinful".
Just for one second, if you are capable of it,place your tiny mind into
the parents of those kids, and how they are feeling right now.
No- one - absolutely NO-ONE deserves that to happen to them for any
reason at all, and particularly not for the sake of your truly
disgusting idea that children of that age are somehow tainted or sinful.