You say I am vindictive Neil?...No, I am tough and fair...but not vindictive.
V
"No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one,
and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the
other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Luke 16:13
The Good Book??
Well, the good book is not always good in its advice.
But, neither is the good book always bad. (as the atheists like to
portray.)
Seldom is 'a thing' all bad or all good.
And so it goes in the goods book's case.
But the dogmatic atheist discounts the bible as all bad, just as they
do with ALL religions and spiritual studies.
For my discussion of this subject see:
'The conundrum of the mind manacled, spiritually sick, atheist.'
When we are 'in love'...the emotion of love can blind us.
You see we cannot 'be in a religion' and be rational about that
religion until one steps outside of the religion to look at it fairly
to drop the love sickness.
And this 'love blindness' also extends to the dogmatic atheist that
loves the religion of hate that fuels them.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0
From: Alt Atheism
'Atheist for Christianity' writes:
"A toobis saying goes; "People must not flame their own kind. (V)"
V writes:
I appreciate your input 'Atheist for Christianity.'
Your comment reminded me of a Sunday morning radio talk I once
heard.
I can't remember the exact preacher, maybe Jerry Falwell or possibly
some other.
Anyway, he said he would stick by his family even when they are in the
wrong and stand up for them as if they were right...because they were
family.
The Baptist fundi audience all clapped.
This preacher implied family overrides truth...just as Christians
should stick together as a family irrespective of what is true.
Sure, sometimes that may be the case in a family when minor things are
at issue. But at some point honor and truth must override family
loyalties, otherwise continuing of the path of lies will eventually
lead the whole family to destruction.
The preacher's position was as an 'authoritarian on truth' and not as
an authority of truth and can be summed up as: something is true
because I say so, not because it really is so.
Always remember 'Atheist for Christianity,' the difference between an
authority and an authoritarian is this.
An authority speaks from a place of truth and such speaks as an
authority.
Whereas an authoritarian rules by fear and not by truth.
For the truth stands on it own and the authoritarian stands on their
ego 'Atheist for Christianity.'
But this is how it is with most Christians and atheists as both camps
are... DOGMATIC and IGNORANT of the truth.
How has history fueled such authoritarians?
With the doctrine of 'might makes right.'
When I heard the preacher tell his story, it spoke loud and clear
about the real person behind the public facade.
It is good to remember that honor dies where the interest lies
'Atheist for Christianity.'
Which is just what you have demonstrated here with the blanket
statement "People must not flame their own kind. (V)"
Where is your foundation of truth 'Atheist for Christianity?'
There is no foundation for truth...the only foundation is for family
loyalty and truth be damned.
In any case, I flame no one 'Atheist for Christianity.'
I love the members of alt.atherism as if they were my family
BUT
I do comment on wrong speech, wrong actions, wrong humanity...EVEN
when it stems from within my family.
To do otherwise would be disservice to my family and the family would
decay.
The bible reminds us:
"If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give
him a stone?" Luke 11:11
Does this advice only exist as a truth if the myth of Jesus is not
myth?
Or is this real and substantial wisdom irrespective of Jesus being
real?
Think about what is said and not about who says what 'Atheist for
Christianity.'
When you concentrate on people, you will lose the mindfulness on the
real principles at hand in the discussion.
Years ago, I was told at alt.atheism if I shut up, tow the line,
agreed with the atheists on all points, all transgressions would be
forgiven me 'Atheist for Christianity.'
Since public opinion is not the same as truth, my policy is not to be
swayed by threats.
Flaming, filth, profanities...they all roll off me like water off a
ducks back.
As such, I am not a kiss ass to the atheists, not any other group for
that matter.
If the atheists give me something positive to write about I do.
If the atheists give me something negative to write about I do
I can go left easily as easily as I can go right.
Sure I comment on some members.
But I comment on their actions and not on their personalties.
Let me give you another example 'Atheist for Christianity.'
While watching an old episode of Boston Legal this same subject came
up when the Boston lawyers found themselves in Texas appeal court
defending a criminal that was to be executed in a couple of days.
Besides shedding doubt on the plaintiffs case, the Boston team brought
up the fact that Texas led the nation in wrongful executions that have
been proven to be mistakes and asked the courts for short time to
reconsider this case since they had some new evidence to present.
The defendants attorneys told the court that Texas accounted for 50%
of the executions whereas the other 49 states accounted for the other
50%. So Texas was presented as a trigger happy death sentence state
riddled with mistaken executions. (Remember it is a TV show, so do not
hold me accountable for real life exact figures.)
What did one prejudiced appeal judge beat down the Boston defense team
with?
He angrily told them:
"I advise you not to talk about the great state of Texas."
The panel of judges closed their mind to the discussion and let the
execution stand.
Am I a proponent for banning the death penalty?
No...I am a proponent to get at the truth the best we can in a
reasonable fashion.
People say they are interested in truth, but alas they are not really
interested in truth, they are only interested in moving forward with
their ego driven agenda.
You see, the judge who was supposed to uphold the law and put reason
above passion seemed to be getting two of the 'T' words confused.
He put 'Texas' above the 'Truth.'
Peace and contentment is not limited to any one religion and are open
to all...even at alt.atheism.
Seek truth and not ego 'Atheist for Christianity' and you can find
inner peace as well.
An antique English silver goblet I once saw in a museum said it best.
It's long dead, previous owner had it inscribed ...'Honor Above All'
The truth is that which does not change 'Atheist for Christianity.'
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
Syd M.
V wrote:
HO! <Whack>
PDW
Olrik
" You say I am vindictive Neil?...No, I am tough and fair...but not
vindictive"
You're neither "tough" nor "fair". You're pretty much nothing more
than an egotistical troll. But since you start threads about how
people responds to you and your vapid, overlong and devoid-of-contents
posts, then yeah, you *are* a vindictive, arrogant alcoholic.
Have a six-pack. Or a quart of something. Please.
Thanks,
Olrik
G-Ride
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>
>
>
> "No servant
Ho! <Whack>
--
Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
The Chief Instigator
>"No
HO! <Chicago Piano!>
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
raven1
>No
HO! <whack!>
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN.
> "No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one,
> and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the
> other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Luke 16:13
>
> The Good Book??
>
> Well, the good book is not always good in its advice.
>
> But, neither is the good book always bad. (as the atheists like to
> portray.)
>
> Seldom is 'a thing' all bad or all good.
>
HO! <whack>
Robibnikoff
"V" <vf...@aol.com>
>No
HO! <Whack a way to start the day>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Hamish McNugget
> I can't remember
Ho <WhAck>
--
I'll drop down to my knees
after god gets down on her elbows
Tom 0
aa# 2134 a-vet# 20
Mikal119
Wow, isnt that cool, I could almost imagine I was slapping you.
Got that million dollars together, asswipe?
Robibnikoff
"Mikal119" <adra...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184235607.0...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 12, 5:16 am, Hamish McNugget <McNug..BITCHSLAP
>
> Wow, isnt that cool, I could almost imagine I was slapping you.
> Got that million dollars together, asswipe?
Oy vey - I can' wait until school starts up again.
Mark K. Bilbo
> No
HO!!!!! <WHACK>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
John Baker
wrote:
>On Jul 12, 5:16 am, Hamish McNugget <McNug..BITCHSLAP
>
>Wow, isnt that cool, I could almost imagine I was slapping you.
>Got that million dollars together, asswipe?
<SMACK!> Shut the fuck up.
V
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:07:52 -0700, V wrote:
> > No
>
> HO!!!!! <WHACK>
>
> --
> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
> ------------------------------------------------------------
I do not see a reply from Neil?
Usually he has the courtesy to add a few words to the subject.
Mark K. Bilbo
> I do not
HO!!!! <WHACK>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
The Chief Instigator
>On Jul 12, 7:47?am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:07:52 -0700, V wrote:
>> > No
>> HO!!!!! <WHACK>
>I do not see a reply from Neil?
So? You don't decide who's allowed to respond to your dysfunction.
>Usually he has the courtesy to add a few words to the subject.
Maybe one day you'll actually figure out how Usenet is organized. Today
obviously isn't that day.
Sasha
> The Good Book??
>
> Well, the good book is not always good in its advice.
>
> But, neither is the good book always bad. (as the atheists like to
> portray.)
Even fortune cookies get it right once in a while.
Better luck next time, tons-of-fun.
Neil Kelsey
> V <v...@aol.com> writes:
> >On Jul 12, 7:47?am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:07:52 -0700, V wrote:
> >> > No
> >> HO!!!!! <WHACK>
> >I do not see a reply from Neil?
>
> So? You don't decide who's allowed to respond to your dysfunction.
>
> >Usually he has the courtesy to add a few words to the subject.
>
> Maybe one day you'll actually figure out how Usenet is organized. Today
> obviously isn't that day.
Doesn't seem too clued in about time zones, either.
Therion Ware
<witc...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
>"V" <vf...@aol.com>
>
>>No
>
>HO! <Whack a way to start the day>
Jezus (to coin a phrase) that wakes me up more than a bloody mary...!
The Chief Instigator
Going through Google Groups will get you the usual UTC timestamp, while io.com
will always be UTC-5 (or -6 when DST ends)...not that V would ever sweat the
petty details.
Robibnikoff
"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
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Chicago piano?
skyeyes
HO! <Thwack>
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
skyeyes
Neil Kelsey
is nothing but a red herring, and has nothing to do with the topic.
Whether you are tough and fair is irrelevant to whether you are
vindictive. You ARE in denial, however.
You want to be taken seriously, but no one does. Most people take that
as a sign that they might need to modify their behaviour, that there's
something they can do, a compromise they can make, to improve their
situation. For instance, they might learn to recognize when they have
encountered a simple disagreement, which is when two parties have
different opinions about something. Instead of trying to browbeat the
other party to agree with them, they learn to back off and allow the
other party their opinion.
You haven't learned that. You are furious that atheists don't buy your
brand of theism. If you stopped at saying you believe in a God of
Inner Peace and a God of (whatever the fuck it is) then fine, you're
just another theist. But you don't. You also claim you're an agnostic.
You avoid addressing this obvious contraciction (which is just one of
hundreds) when we point it out, and instead post out of context posts
about the people who question you, designed to make them feel the same
pain that you obviously feel.
That is a vindictive act. Doesn't matter if you deny it, avoid
responding, attack my character in a new post, it doesn't change the
fact.
I have no idea how you got like this, that's about all I'm curious
about. Like I said, most people would be embarrassed if they behaved
like you do, and change their behaviour, but you just get more
entrenched and browbeat the people you hate even more. I am thinking
you have wrapped your psychology in the religious concept that
suffering is the sign of the godliest of the godly, so you create a
world in which your suffering is assured. To me, that's insane. But
I'm an atheist, so IF there is no god, then I'm right. But YOU'RE a
theist, so it fits your theist beliefs perfectly well. Martyrdom is
the religious ideal. It's just really odd that you think you can
achieve this off the backs of anonymous strangers typing messages on a
TV screen. You must have really pissed everyone off who you know in
person so that we're all you have left.
I have a different perspective. I'm an atheist. Humans are one of
millions of species of animals. Humans are social animals. Since we
are social animals, pro-social behaviour is a successful strategy and
anti-social behaviour is an unsuccessful strategy. You have been
confused by religion to think martyrdom is an ideal, so you achieve
that by behaving in an anti-social manner. Being a theist trying to
join an atheist group is a great way to feel matryred. Except in your
case, you're not a very good martyr, since you get really pissed off
at people for not acknowledging your noble suffering. So you lash out
at them. I have evidence. Lots of it. You are vindictive.
HO! <WHACKO!>
School of Red Herrings deleted.
Neil Kelsey
> Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >On Jul 12, 8:07 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
> >> V <v...@aol.com> writes:
> >> >On Jul 12, 7:47?am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:07:52 -0700, V wrote:
> >> >> > No
> >> >> HO!!!!! <WHACK>
> >> >I do not see a reply from Neil?
> >> So? You don't decide who's allowed to respond to your dysfunction.
> >> >Usually he has the courtesy to add a few words to the subject.
> >> Maybe one day you'll actually figure out how Usenet is organized. Today
> >> obviously isn't that day.
> >Doesn't seem too clued in about time zones, either.
>
> Going through Google Groups will get you the usual UTC timestamp, while io.com
> will always be UTC-5 (or -6 when DST ends)...not that V would ever sweat the
> petty details.
I've told him I live on the West Coast, but he's too vindictive and
self absorbed to remember anything about others unless he can use it
against them. But it amounts to being bodychecked by Wayne Gretzky.
Robibnikoff
> On Jul 12, 7:47?am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:07:52 -0700, V wrote:
>> > No
>>
>> HO!!!!! <WHACK>
>>
>> --
>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> I do not see a reply from Neil?
You are stupid?
HO! <Whack>
Christopher A.Lee
<witc...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
>"V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1184247604.6...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 12, 7:47?am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:07:52 -0700, V wrote:
>>> > No
>>>
>>> HO!!!!! <WHACK>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
>>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not see a reply from Neil?
>
>You are stupid?
You have to ask?
>HO! <Whack>
Robibnikoff
"Christopher A.Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:f0tc935c761pn8t2l...@4ax.com...
I guess not? ;)
I put V back in my killfile - Even I get bored with this every great once in
a while ;)
V
Thanks for your post Neil.
I appreciate you taking the time to pen me a reply.
I will print it out and give it the thought it deserves before
responding.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2.
The Chief Instigator
>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>news:szkhcoa...@eris.io.com...
>>V <vf...@aol.com> writes:
>>>"No
>> HO! <Chicago Piano!>
>Chicago piano?
*sigh* No one remembers Al Capone...
raven1
raven1
Robibnikoff
> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>
>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>news:szkhcoa...@eris.io.com...
>>>V <vf...@aol.com> writes:
>
>>>>"No
>
>>> HO! <Chicago Piano!>
>
>>Chicago piano?
>
> *sigh* No one remembers Al Capone...
Well, of course I do. I just don't understand what you're referring to. Its
that a specific sort of piano sound?
The Chief Instigator
>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>news:szkd4yx...@eris.io.com...
>> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>>news:szkhcoa...@eris.io.com...
>>>>V <vf...@aol.com> writes:
>>>>>"No
>>>> HO! <Chicago Piano!>
>>>Chicago piano?
>> *sigh* No one remembers Al Capone...
>Well, of course I do. I just don't understand what you're referring to. Its
>that a specific sort of piano sound?
It was slang for a machine gun...
Robibnikoff
> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>
>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>news:szkd4yx...@eris.io.com...
>>> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>
>>>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:szkhcoa...@eris.io.com...
>>>>>V <vf...@aol.com> writes:
>
>>>>>>"No
>
>>>>> HO! <Chicago Piano!>
>
>>>>Chicago piano?
>
>>> *sigh* No one remembers Al Capone...
>
>>Well, of course I do. I just don't understand what you're referring to.
>>Its
>>that a specific sort of piano sound?
>
> It was slang for a machine gun...
Really! I did not know that ;)
Mark K. Bilbo
Well, his universe is his ego, can't be anything import outside...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
Mark K. Bilbo
> I do not see
HO!!!!! <PLONK>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
The Chief Instigator
>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>news:szk7ip4...@eris.io.com...
>> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>>news:szkd4yx...@eris.io.com...
>>>> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>>>>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:szkhcoa...@eris.io.com...
>>>>>>V <vf...@aol.com> writes:
>>>>>>>"No
>>>>>> HO! <Chicago Piano!>
>>>>>Chicago piano?
>>>> *sigh* No one remembers Al Capone...
>>>Well, of course I do. I just don't understand what you're referring to.
>>>Its that a specific sort of piano sound?
>> It was slang for a machine gun...
>Really! I did not know that ;)
Imagine what Al Pacino could have done with that...no, I'm not even going to
guess. ;-)
Robibnikoff
> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>
>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>news:szk7ip4...@eris.io.com...
>>> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>
>>>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:szkd4yx...@eris.io.com...
>>>>> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>
>>>>>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:szkhcoa...@eris.io.com...
>>>>>>>V <vf...@aol.com> writes:
>
>>>>>>>>"No
>
>>>>>>> HO! <Chicago Piano!>
>
>>>>>>Chicago piano?
>
>>>>> *sigh* No one remembers Al Capone...
>
>>>>Well, of course I do. I just don't understand what you're referring to.
>>>>Its that a specific sort of piano sound?
>
>>> It was slang for a machine gun...
>
>>Really! I did not know that ;)
>
> Imagine what Al Pacino could have done with that...no, I'm not even going
> to
> guess. ;-)
Oh my ;)
Yeah, I'm not too up on the Chicago organized crime scene, but I grew up
with the NJ one. Even briefly dated the son of someone who had ties with the
mob. ;)
The Chief Instigator
>>>>>>>>>"No
>>>>>>>> HO! <Chicago Piano!>
>>>>>>>Chicago piano?
>Oh my ;)
Dale and I probably didn't encounter any of the Jersey locals the afternoon we
were there in 2001, but the odds are near certain that we crossed paths with a
few of the real professionals at crime when we drove through DC a few days
earlier...
Robibnikoff
> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
snip
>
>>Yeah, I'm not too up on the Chicago organized crime scene, but I grew up
>>with the NJ one. Even briefly dated the son of someone who had ties with
>>the
>>mob. ;)
>
> Dale and I probably didn't encounter any of the Jersey locals the
> afternoon we
> were there in 2001, but the odds are near certain that we crossed paths
> with a
> few of the real professionals at crime when we drove through DC a few days
> earlier...
LOL! I bet you're right. However, if you passed a garbage truck when you
were in NJ, you at least passed on of the major mob interests in NJ ;)
The Chief Instigator
>snip
We might have, but it was probably while we were making our way through Camden
on I-676, where it would have blended in with the general squalor...;-)
Robibnikoff
> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>
>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>news:szktzs7...@eris.io.com...
>>> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>
>>snip
>
>>>>Yeah, I'm not too up on the Chicago organized crime scene, but I grew up
>>>>with the NJ one. Even briefly dated the son of someone who had ties with
>>>>the mob. ;)
>
>>> Dale and I probably didn't encounter any of the Jersey locals the
>>> afternoon
>>> we were there in 2001, but the odds are near certain that we crossed
>>> paths
>>> with a few of the real professionals at crime when we drove through DC a
>>> few days earlier...
>
>>LOL! I bet you're right. However, if you passed a garbage truck when you
>>were in NJ, you at least passed on of the major mob interests in NJ ;)
>
> We might have, but it was probably while we were making our way through
> Camden
> on I-676, where it would have blended in with the general squalor...;-)
Oh gak, Camden is SUCH a shit hole! I went to the acquarium there about
four years ago and my husband I both thought the place looked like a bomb
hit it. You have to drive approximately two hours north to where I live to
see one of the prettier parts of the state ;)
The Chief Instigator
>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>news:szkps2v...@eris.io.com...
>> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>>>"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
>>>news:szktzs7...@eris.io.com...
>>>> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> writes:
>>>snip
>>>>>Yeah, I'm not too up on the Chicago organized crime scene, but I grew up
>>>>>with the NJ one. Even briefly dated the son of someone who had ties with
>>>>>the mob. ;)
>>>> Dale and I probably didn't encounter any of the Jersey locals the
>>>> afternoon we were there in 2001, but the odds are near certain that we
>>>> crossed paths with a few of the real professionals at crime when we drove
>>>> through DC a few days earlier...
>>>LOL! I bet you're right. However, if you passed a garbage truck when you
>>>were in NJ, you at least passed on of the major mob interests in NJ ;)
>> We might have, but it was probably while we were making our way through
>> Camden on I-676, where it would have blended in with the general
>> squalor...;-)
>Oh gak, Camden is SUCH a shit hole! I went to the acquarium there about
>four years ago and my husband I both thought the place looked like a bomb
>hit it. You have to drive approximately two hours north to where I live to
>see one of the prettier parts of the state ;)
If we'd left West Virginia at sunrise that day, we might have been able to hit
the other end of Jersey *and* get back by dark...;-)