After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
“And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
little time for organised religion, they still have feel
nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
"De Botton, who was raised an atheist , "
...most people grow out of as they develop rational
thinking skills and become mature adults...
"..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
architecture – especially old churches."
Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions! B^]
"de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
Temples for Atheists. "
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# Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile Bullshit Number Whatever
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
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#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
"These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
Oh the theists have provided those already..
they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
"starting with one in London but then spreading
across the country."
How sad that the separation of Church and State will
prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
"The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect Tom Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower placed among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
“Often a religious building plays around with
our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
and feel tiny.”
"De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
Happiness... "
B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
"What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
"What would happen inside? "
Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
what it ISN'T:
“There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
" The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or African churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds rather sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My target of a lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male academic from Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is ridiculous.” "
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
"A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its fund-raising."
Yes indeed! B^]
De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million – earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, “just like Chartres Cathedral”.
I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for an established community and with the promise of a heavenly reward. “The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to go to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,” he says. (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came from the lottery or government agencies.)"
ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
"De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
figures such as Richard Dawkins."
Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that? B^]
" While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is something misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who made it: a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the way they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space: the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton could hold lectures there and maybe move the School of Life he already runs to the site. With his calming voice calling for a renewal of “community, beauty, sympathy, kindness, a moral structure” – priorities few could disagree with – he might get a more devoted following than he imagines."
So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth fighting over?
--
Ex- Atheist, now Prophet, Richard Dawkins claims a "superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy" entity, "like God", is plausible and
could have 'evolved' somewhere in the Universe "by an explicable
scientific progression of incremental evolution", (which no
atheist can explain). B^D
# "After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks far afield.
# He talks of the possibility that we might co-evolve with computers, a
# silicon destiny. And he’s intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring
# writings of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
#
# 'In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years
# into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into
# something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
#
# Doesn’t that description sound an awful lot like God?
#
# "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It’s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
#
# He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he’s gone around a
# religious bend. "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
#
# Could they be immortal? The professor shrugs.
#
# “Probably not.” He smiles and adds, “But I
# wouldn’t want to be too dogmatic about that.”"
So, which atheist is going to explain the inexplicable,
unscientific, BELIEF in "these {atheist] Gods", with no proof
whatsoever, and show us the evidence of how, and where, God evolved?
> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist , "
> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
> thinking skills and become mature adults...
> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
> architecture – especially old churches."
> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions! B^]
> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
> Temples for Atheists. "
> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile Bullshit
> Number Whatever
> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
> # Message-ID:
> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
> #
> #
> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
> Oh the theists have provided those already..
> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
> "starting with one in London but then spreading
> across the country."
> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect Tom
> Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower placed among the
> skyscrapers in the City of London.
> “Often a religious building plays around with
> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
> and feel tiny.”
> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
> Happiness... "
> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
> "What would happen inside? "
> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
> what it ISN'T:
> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or African
> churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds rather sedate
> and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My target of a lot of this
> is kind of the sixtysomething male academic from Oxford who attacks
> believers and says religion is ridiculous.” "
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
> fund-raising."
> Yes indeed! B^]
> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a £200
> million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million – earned
> from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling on rich pals, he
> would prefer small donations, “just like Chartres Cathedral”.
> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent times,
> the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for an
> established community and with the promise of a heavenly reward. “The
> Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to go to heaven but
> people who thought it was a good project,” he says. (In fact, more than
> half of the £134 million it cost came from the lottery or government
> agencies.)"
> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that? B^]
> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is something
> misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful is inevitably
> bound up with the values of the people who made it: a Protestant may
> recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim find a synagogue too
> plain for his tastes not because of an abstract aesthetic sense but
> because it seems foreign to the way they worship. The strict beliefs
> that de Botton shies away from are exactly what thrill and terrify
> visitors to a sacred space: the thought that it was built in the name of
> truth.
> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding Temple for
> Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton could hold lectures
> there and maybe move the School of Life he already runs to the site.
> With his calming voice calling for a renewal of “community, beauty,
> sympathy, kindness, a moral structure” – priorities few could disagree
> with – he might get a more devoted following than he imagines."
"The atheist 'philosopher' Alain de Botton has undertaken
a (literally) monumental project: he wants to create
in the City a 150-foot-high temple to 'new atheism'.
This is to distinguish it from old, aggressive atheism,
as preached by Richard Dawkins. The two chaps seem to
disagree on tactics, for one struggles to find any
difference of substance.
'Why should religious people have the most beautiful
buildings in the land?' Botton asks. 'It's time
atheists had their own version of the great churches
and cathedrals'."
...
"The Latin inscription on Christopher Wren's tomb
in St Paul's says, 'Reader, if you seek his
monument, look around.' I suggest Mr de Botton
do the same just about anywhere in the West --
he'll find temples to atheism aplenty.
They are the eyesores that disfigure our
cities' skylines, the pickled animals in
our art museums, the nasty warrens of our
council estates, the gangs of empty-eyed
youths harassing our neighbourhoods.
These are the churches in which one can
worship the moral and aesthetic achievements
of atheist modernity.
These are the reflections of the fact,
seen as such by anyone not blinded by
atheist rage, that the choice of cultures
available to the West isn't Christian or atheist.
It's Christian or none."
"Romanesque and Gothic cathedrals are the most beautiful and awe-inspiring buildings in the world, Mr Botton, because
they were animated by the most beautiful and
awe-inspiring idea. Remove this inspiration,
and you can still coast on the original propelling
force -- provided you gratefully acknowledge its nature.
An artist or an architect doesn't have to be a
practising Christian to create a masterpiece --
as long as he realises that every Western
masterpiece is at least residually Christian.
The choice between beauty and ugliness in aesthetics
exactly parallels the one between good and evil
in morality. The soulless brutalism of 20th-century
architecture parallels the soulless brutality of
that century, in which more people were killed
than in all other centuries of recorded history
combined. The grey ugliness of the South Bank
or Barbican is the aesthetic equivalent of
Lubianka cellars and Auschwitz ovens.
They are all reminders of the abyss awating
those who worship at the altar of secular gods.
All those physical disasters spring from the
disastrous
...
>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist , "
>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>> architecture – especially old churches."
>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions! B^]
>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>> Temples for Atheists. "
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile Bullshit
>> Number Whatever
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>> across the country."
>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect Tom
>> Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower placed among the
>> skyscrapers in the City of London.
>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>> and feel tiny.”
>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>> Happiness... "
>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>> "What would happen inside? "
>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>> what it ISN'T:
>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or African
>> churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds rather sedate
>> and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My target of a lot of this
>> is kind of the sixtysomething male academic from Oxford who attacks
>> believers and says religion is ridiculous.” "
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>> fund-raising."
>> Yes indeed! B^]
>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a £200
>> million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million – earned
>> from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling on rich pals, he
>> would prefer small donations, “just like Chartres Cathedral”.
>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent times,
>> the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for an
>> established community and with the promise of a heavenly reward. “The
>> Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to go to heaven but
>> people who thought it was a good project,” he says. (In fact, more than
>> half of the £134 million it cost came from the lottery or government
>> agencies.)"
>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that? B^]
>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is something
>> misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful is inevitably
>> bound up with the values of the people who made it: a Protestant may
>> recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim find a synagogue too
>> plain for his tastes not because of an abstract aesthetic sense but
>> because it seems foreign to the way they worship. The strict beliefs
>> that de Botton shies away from are exactly what thrill and terrify
>> visitors to a sacred space: the thought that it was built in the name of
>> truth.
>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding Temple for
>> Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton could hold lectures
>> there and maybe move the School of Life he already runs to the site.
>> With his calming voice calling for a renewal of “community, beauty,
>> sympathy, kindness, a moral structure” – priorities few could disagree
>> with – he might get a more devoted following than he imagines."
>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>> figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth fighting over?
After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
> Huh?
Can't you read? you illiterate atheist dimwit;
and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
in which they will worship Prophet Dawkin's Gods:
--
Ex- Atheist, now Prophet, Richard Dawkins claims a "superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy" entity, "like God", is plausible and
could have 'evolved' somewhere in the Universe "by an explicable
scientific progression of incremental evolution", (which no
atheist can explain). B^D
# "After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks far afield.
# He talks of the possibility that we might co-evolve with computers, a
# silicon destiny. And he’s intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring
# writings of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
#
# 'In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years
# into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into
# something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
#
# Doesn’t that description sound an awful lot like God?
#
# "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It’s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
#
# He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he’s gone around a
# religious bend. "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
#
# Could they be immortal? The professor shrugs.
#
# “Probably not.” He smiles and adds, “But I
# wouldn’t want to be too dogmatic about that.”"
So, which atheist is going to explain the inexplicable,
unscientific, BELIEF in "these {atheist] Gods", with no proof
whatsoever, and show us the evidence of how, and where, God evolved?
>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist , "
>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>> architecture – especially old churches."
>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions! B^]
>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>> Temples for Atheists. "
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile Bullshit
>> Number Whatever
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>> across the country."
>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect Tom
>> Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower placed among the
>> skyscrapers in the City of London.
>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>> and feel tiny.”
>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>> Happiness... "
>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>> "What would happen inside? "
>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>> what it ISN'T:
>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or African
>> churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds rather sedate
>> and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My target of a lot of this
>> is kind of the sixtysomething male academic from Oxford who attacks
>> believers and says religion is ridiculous.” "
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>> fund-raising."
>> Yes indeed! B^]
>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a £200
>> million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million – earned
>> from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling on rich pals, he
>> would prefer small donations, “just like Chartres Cathedral”.
>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent times,
>> the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for an
>> established community and with the promise of a heavenly reward. “The
>> Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to go to heaven but
>> people who thought it was a good project,” he says. (In fact, more than
>> half of the £134 million it cost came from the lottery or government
>> agencies.)"
>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that? B^]
>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is something
>> misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful is inevitably
>> bound up with the values of the people who made it: a Protestant may
>> recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim find a synagogue too
>> plain for his tastes not because of an abstract aesthetic sense but
>> because it seems foreign to the way they worship. The strict beliefs
>> that de Botton shies away from are exactly what thrill and terrify
>> visitors to a sacred space: the thought that it was built in the name of
>> truth.
>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding Temple for
>> Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton could hold lectures
>> there and maybe move the School of Life he already runs to the site.
>> With his calming voice calling for a renewal of “community, beauty,
>> sympathy, kindness, a moral structure” – priorities few could disagree
>> with – he might get a more devoted following than he imagines."
>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>> figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth fighting over?
> BroilJAB stunned,
> I thought DAMN sure you just made this thing
> up, Dr.Fasgnadh, until I googled and...hilarious!
> Atheism has totally collapsed, wanting Temples then
> wanting US to build em for them. They don't get the
> whole idea of 'government NOT funding religion'. LOL
"No Joke: Alain de Botton Wants To Build Temples To Atheism
Let us now pray to... nothing!"
"To get around that pesky little paradox (for which de Botton
has been mightily ridiculed, with the Guardian going so far
as to suggest that the whole thing is just a publicity stunt
to help push his new book Religion for Atheists), de Botton
argues that, “You can build a temple to anything that’s
positive and good. That could mean: a temple to love,
friendship, calm or perspective.”"
Then it wouldn't be an atheist temple, would it! B^D
In fact it's going to PRETEND to be about atheism,
but becasue there is bugger all to celebrate, it will
really end up being about Science, or secularism, or nature..
NOTHING To Do WITH ATHEISM.. except they DEFINE it to be atheism,
when it SUITS the hypocriticla fucktards, who want to LEECH off
PUBLIC MONIES!
> On 31/01/2012 9:50 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 31/01/2012 7:59 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist , "
>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>> architecture – especially old churches."
>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions! B^]
>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile Bullshit
>>>> Number Whatever
>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>>>> #
>>>> #
>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>> across the country."
>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect Tom
>>>> Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower placed among the
>>>> skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>>>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>> and feel tiny.”
>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>> Happiness... "
>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>> "What would happen inside? "
>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or African
>>>> churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds rather sedate
>>>> and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My target of a lot of this
>>>> is kind of the sixtysomething male academic from Oxford who attacks
>>>> believers and says religion is ridiculous.” "
>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>>>> fund-raising."
>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a £200
>>>> million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million – earned
>>>> from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling on rich pals, he
>>>> would prefer small donations, “just like Chartres Cathedral”.
>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent times,
>>>> the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for an
>>>> established community and with the promise of a heavenly reward. “The
>>>> Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to go to heaven but
>>>> people who thought it was a good project,” he says. (In fact, more than
>>>> half of the £134 million it cost came from the lottery or government
>>>> agencies.)"
>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that? B^]
>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is something
>>>> misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful is inevitably
>>>> bound up with the values of the people who made it: a Protestant may
>>>> recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim find a synagogue too
>>>> plain for his tastes not because of an abstract aesthetic sense but
>>>> because it seems foreign to the way they worship. The strict beliefs
>>>> that de Botton shies away from are exactly what thrill and terrify
>>>> visitors to a sacred space: the thought that it was built in the name of
>>>> truth.
>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding Temple for
>>>> Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton could hold lectures
>>>> there and maybe move the School of Life he already runs to the site.
>>>> With his calming voice calling for a renewal of “community, beauty,
>>>> sympathy, kindness, a moral structure” – priorities few could disagree
>>>> with – he might get a more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth fighting over?
>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>> Huh?
>> Can't you read? you illiterate atheist dimwit;
>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>> in which they will worship Prophet Dawkin's Gods:
> Don't you ever get tired
Watching you screech hysterically, but be unable to refute
a single fact, gives me renewed energy.
Your baseless opinions, with no evidence make you the
Loonie
> of lying,
Why do you do it when you clearly have no case to argue?
> Failed
try harder
> nuts?
Take your personal problems elsewhere.
--
Ex- Atheist, now Prophet, Richard Dawkins claims a "superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy" entity, "like God", is plausible and
could have 'evolved' somewhere in the Universe "by an explicable
scientific progression of incremental evolution", (which no
atheist can explain). B^D
# "After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks far afield.
# He talks of the possibility that we might co-evolve with computers, a
# silicon destiny. And he’s intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring
# writings of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
#
# 'In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years
# into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into
# something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
#
# Doesn’t that description sound an awful lot like God?
#
# "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It’s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
#
# He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he’s gone around a
# religious bend. "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
#
# Could they be immortal? The professor shrugs.
#
# “Probably not.” He smiles and adds, “But I
# wouldn’t want to be too dogmatic about that.”"
Discussion subject changed to ""Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D" by fasgnadh
> In article
> Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>> On 31/01/2012 10:21 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>> On 31/01/2012 7:38 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist , "
>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>> architecture – especially old churches."
>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions! B^]
>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile Bullshit
>>>>> Number Whatever
>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>>>>> #
>>>>> #
>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>> across the country."
>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect Tom
>>>>> Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower placed among the
>>>>> skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>> and feel tiny.”
>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>> "What would happen inside? "
>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or African
>>>>> churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds rather sedate
>>>>> and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My target of a lot of this
>>>>> is kind of the sixtysomething male academic from Oxford who attacks
>>>>> believers and says religion is ridiculous.” "
>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a £200
>>>>> million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million – earned
>>>>> from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling on rich pals, he
>>>>> would prefer small donations, “just like Chartres Cathedral”.
>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent times,
>>>>> the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for an
>>>>> established community and with the promise of a heavenly reward. “The
>>>>> Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to go to heaven but
>>>>> people who thought it was a good project,” he says. (In fact, more than
>>>>> half of the £134 million it cost came from the lottery or government
>>>>> agencies.)"
>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that? B^]
>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is something
>>>>> misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful is inevitably
>>>>> bound up with the values of the people who made it: a Protestant may
>>>>> recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim find a synagogue too
>>>>> plain for his tastes not because of an abstract aesthetic sense but
>>>>> because it seems foreign to the way they worship. The strict beliefs
>>>>> that de Botton shies away from are exactly what thrill and terrify
>>>>> visitors to a sacred space: the thought that it was built in the name of
>>>>> truth.
>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding Temple for
>>>>> Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton could hold lectures
>>>>> there and maybe move the School of Life he already runs to the site.
>>>>> With his calming voice calling for a renewal of “community, beauty,
>>>>> sympathy, kindness, a moral structure” – priorities few could disagree
>>>>> with – he might get a more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth fighting over?
>>>> BroilJAB stunned,
>>>> I thought DAMN sure you just made this thing
>>>> up, Dr.Fasgnadh, until I googled and...hilarious!
>>>> Atheism has totally collapsed, wanting Temples then
>>>> wanting US to build em for them. They don't get the
>>>> whole idea of 'government NOT funding religion'. LOL
>>> "No Joke: Alain de Botton Wants To Build Temples To Atheism
>>> Let us now pray to... nothing!"
> In article
> <bd582085-1863-4774-b3ad-4a922f224...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>> On 31/01/2012 10:21 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>> On 31/01/2012 7:38 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist , "
>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>> architecture – especially old churches."
>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions! B^]
>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile Bullshit
>>>>> Number Whatever
>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>>>>> #
>>>>> #
>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>> across the country."
>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect Tom
>>>>> Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower placed among the
>>>>> skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>> and feel tiny.”
>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>> "What would happen inside? "
>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or African
>>>>> churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds rather sedate
>>>>> and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My target of a lot of this
>>>>> is kind of the sixtysomething male academic from Oxford who attacks
>>>>> believers and says religion is ridiculous.” "
>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a £200
>>>>> million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million – earned
>>>>> from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling on rich pals, he
>>>>> would prefer small donations, “just like Chartres Cathedral”.
>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent times,
>>>>> the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for an
>>>>> established community and with the promise of a heavenly reward. “The
>>>>> Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to go to heaven but
>>>>> people who thought it was a good project,” he says. (In fact, more than
>>>>> half of the £134 million it cost came from the lottery or government
>>>>> agencies.)"
>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that? B^]
>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is something
>>>>> misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful is inevitably
>>>>> bound up with the values of the people who made it: a Protestant may
>>>>> recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim find a synagogue too
>>>>> plain for his tastes not because of an abstract aesthetic sense but
>>>>> because it seems foreign to the way they worship. The strict beliefs
>>>>> that de Botton shies away from are exactly what thrill and terrify
>>>>> visitors to a sacred space: the thought that it was built in the name of
>>>>> truth.
>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding Temple for
>>>>> Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton could hold lectures
>>>>> there and maybe move the School of Life he already runs to the site.
>>>>> With his calming voice calling for a renewal of “community, beauty,
>>>>> sympathy, kindness, a moral structure” – priorities few could disagree
>>>>> with – he might get a more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth fighting over?
>>>> BroilJAB stunned,
>>>> I thought DAMN sure you just made this thing
>>>> up, Dr.Fasgnadh, until I googled and...hilarious!
>>>> Atheism has totally collapsed, wanting Temples then
>>>> wanting US to build em for them. They don't get the
>>>> whole idea of 'government NOT funding religion'. LOL
>>> "No Joke: Alain de Botton Wants To Build Temples To Atheism
>>> Let us now pray to... nothing!"
Discussion subject changed to ""Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D" by Paul David Wright
> On 1/02/2012 11:02 AM, Paul David Wright wrote:
>> On 31/01/2012 9:50 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>> On 31/01/2012 7:59 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist , "
>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>> architecture – especially old churches."
>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions!
>>>>> B^]
>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>> #
>>>>> #
>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>> across the country."
>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect Tom
>>>>> Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower placed
>>>>> among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>> and feel tiny.”
>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>> "What would happen inside? "
>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or African
>>>>> churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds rather
>>>>> sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My target of a
>>>>> lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male academic from
>>>>> Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is ridiculous.” "
>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a
>>>>> £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million
>>>>> – earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling
>>>>> on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, “just like Chartres
>>>>> Cathedral”.
>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent
>>>>> times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for
>>>>> an established community and with the promise of a heavenly
>>>>> reward. “The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to go
>>>>> to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,” he says.
>>>>> (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came from the
>>>>> lottery or government agencies.)"
>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that?
>>>>> B^]
>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is
>>>>> something misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful
>>>>> is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who made it:
>>>>> a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim
>>>>> find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an
>>>>> abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the way
>>>>> they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from
>>>>> are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space:
>>>>> the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding
>>>>> Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton
>>>>> could hold lectures there and maybe move the School of Life he
>>>>> already runs to the site. With his calming voice calling for a
>>>>> renewal of “community, beauty, sympathy, kindness, a moral
>>>>> structure” – priorities few could disagree with – he might get a
>>>>> more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident
>>>>> anti-religion figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth
>>>>> fighting over?
>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>> Huh?
>>> Can't you read? you illiterate atheist dimwit;
>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>> in which they will worship Prophet Dawkin's Gods:
>> Don't you ever get tired
> Watching you screech hysterically, but be unable to refute
> a single fact, gives me renewed energy.
Why should we bother, since you obviously hate us with all yer being, as exemplified by yer contuined lying about us.
> > of lying,
> Why do you do it when you clearly have no case to argue?
Like I said, why do you continue to lie about us, asshole?
Discussion subject changed to ""Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D" by Paul David Wright
> On 1/02/2012 1:37 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> In article
>> <bd582085-1863-4774-b3ad-4a922f224...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>> Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>> On 31/01/2012 10:21 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:38 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist , "
>>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>>> architecture – especially old churches."
>>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions!
>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>>> > #
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>>> across the country."
>>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect
>>>>>> Tom Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower
>>>>>> placed among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>>> and feel tiny.”
>>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>>> "What would happen inside? "
>>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or
>>>>>> African churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds
>>>>>> rather sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My
>>>>>> target of a lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male
>>>>>> academic from Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is
>>>>>> ridiculous.” "
>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a
>>>>>> £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million
>>>>>> – earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling
>>>>>> on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, “just like
>>>>>> Chartres Cathedral”.
>>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent
>>>>>> times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for
>>>>>> an established community and with the promise of a heavenly
>>>>>> reward. “The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to
>>>>>> go to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,” he
>>>>>> says. (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came
>>>>>> from the lottery or government agencies.)"
>>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that?
>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is
>>>>>> something misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful
>>>>>> is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who made it:
>>>>>> a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim
>>>>>> find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an
>>>>>> abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the way
>>>>>> they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from
>>>>>> are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space:
>>>>>> the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
>>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding
>>>>>> Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton
>>>>>> could hold lectures there and maybe move the School of Life he
>>>>>> already runs to the site. With his calming voice calling for a
>>>>>> renewal of “community, beauty, sympathy, kindness, a moral
>>>>>> structure” – priorities few could disagree with – he might get a
>>>>>> more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident
>>>>>> anti-religion figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth
>>>>>> fighting over?
>>>>> BroilJAB stunned,
>>>>> I thought DAMN sure you just made this thing
>>>>> up, Dr.Fasgnadh, until I googled and...hilarious!
>>>>> Atheism has totally collapsed, wanting Temples then
>>>>> wanting US to build em for them. They don't get the
>>>>> whole idea of 'government NOT funding religion'. LOL
>>>> "No Joke: Alain de Botton Wants To Build Temples To Atheism
>>>> Let us now pray to... nothing!"
Discussion subject changed to ""Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D" by fasgnadh
>> On 1/02/2012 11:02 AM, Paul David Wright wrote:
>>> On 31/01/2012 9:50 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:59 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist ,"
>>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>>> architecture – especially old churches."
>>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions!
>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile
>>>>>> Bullshit Number Whatever
>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-
> 7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>>> across the country."
>>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect Tom
>>>>>> Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower placed
>>>>>> among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>>> and feel tiny.”
>>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>>> "What would happen inside?"
>>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or African
>>>>>> churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds rather
>>>>>> sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My target of a
>>>>>> lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male academic from
>>>>>> Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is ridiculous.” "
>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a
>>>>>> £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million
>>>>>> – earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling
>>>>>> on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, “just like Chartres
>>>>>> Cathedral”.
>>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent
>>>>>> times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for
>>>>>> an established community and with the promise of a heavenly
>>>>>> reward. “The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to go
>>>>>> to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,” he says.
>>>>>> (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came from the
>>>>>> lottery or government agencies.)"
>>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that?
>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is
>>>>>> something misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful
>>>>>> is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who made it:
>>>>>> a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim
>>>>>> find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an
>>>>>> abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the way
>>>>>> they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from
>>>>>> are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space:
>>>>>> the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
>>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding
>>>>>> Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton
>>>>>> could hold lectures there and maybe move the School of Life he
>>>>>> already runs to the site. With his calming voice calling for a
>>>>>> renewal of “community, beauty, sympathy, kindness, a moral
>>>>>> structure” – priorities few could disagree with – he might get a
>>>>>> more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident
>>>>>> anti-religion figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth
>>>>>> fighting over?
>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>> Huh?
>>>> Can't you read? you illiterate atheist dimwit;
>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>> in which they will worship Prophet Dawkin's Gods:
>>> Don't you ever get tired
>> Watching you screech hysterically, but be unable to refute
>> a single fact, gives me renewed energy.
> Why should we bother,
Good Question! Your posts reveal a deep inner pointlessness.
.. should I lend you a box of Rusty razor blades
and a Leonard Cohen Album..
"Suzanne takes you down,
and down
and down
and
down... "
> since you obviously hate us
I don't even know WHO you are, Kook? Atheist?
So no, An argument you can't refute is not hate on
my side, but as your empty ad hom shows, on yours.
> with all yer being,
like a child rebuked, you mistake tough love for punishment.
> as exemplified by yer contuined lying about us.
You haven't evidenced any lies, you are the one
>>> lying,
>> Why do you do it when you clearly have no case to argue?
> asshole?
Ad hom abuse and an inability to refute the argument
shows you are the hater.
--
Ex- Atheist, now Prophet, Richard Dawkins claims a "superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy" entity, "like God", is plausible and
could have 'evolved' somewhere in the Universe "by an explicable
scientific progression of incremental evolution",
...
Discussion subject changed to "Atheist LIAR snips the evidence then claims it doesn't exist! B^D Re: "Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D" by fasgnadh
Subject: Atheist LIAR snips the evidence then claims it doesn't exist! B^D Re: "Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D
>> On 1/02/2012 1:37 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <bd582085-1863-4774-b3ad-4a922f224...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>> On 31/01/2012 10:21 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:38 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>>>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>>>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>>>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>>>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>>>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist ,"
>>>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>>>> architecture – especially old churches."
>>>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions!
>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile
>>>>>>> Bullshit Number Whatever
>>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-
> 7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>>>> across the country."
>>>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect
>>>>>>> Tom Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower
>>>>>>> placed among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>>>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>>>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>>>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>>>> and feel tiny.”
>>>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>>>> "What would happen inside?"
>>>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>>>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>>>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or
>>>>>>> African churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds
>>>>>>> rather sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My
>>>>>>> target of a lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male
>>>>>>> academic from Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is
>>>>>>> ridiculous.” "
>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>>>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>>>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a
>>>>>>> £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million
>>>>>>> – earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling
>>>>>>> on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, “just like
>>>>>>> Chartres Cathedral”.
>>>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent
>>>>>>> times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for
>>>>>>> an established community and with the promise of a heavenly
>>>>>>> reward. “The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to
>>>>>>> go to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,” he
>>>>>>> says. (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came
>>>>>>> from the lottery or government agencies.)"
>>>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that?
>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is
>>>>>>> something misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful
>>>>>>> is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who made it:
>>>>>>> a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim
>>>>>>> find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an
>>>>>>> abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the way
>>>>>>> they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from
>>>>>>> are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space:
>>>>>>> the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
>>>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding
>>>>>>> Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton
>>>>>>> could hold lectures there and maybe move the School of Life he
>>>>>>> already runs to the site. With his calming voice calling for a
>>>>>>> renewal of “community, beauty, sympathy, kindness, a moral
>>>>>>> structure” – priorities few could disagree with – he might get a
>>>>>>> more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident
>>>>>>> anti-religion figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth
>>>>>>> fighting over?
>>>>>> BroilJAB stunned,
>>>>>> I thought DAMN sure you just made this thing
>>>>>> up, Dr.Fasgnadh, until I googled and...hilarious!
>>>>>> Atheism has totally collapsed, wanting Temples then
>>>>>> wanting US to build em for them. They don't get the
>>>>>> whole idea of 'government NOT funding religion'. LOL
>>>>> "No Joke: Alain de Botton Wants To Build Temples To Atheism
>>>>> Let us now pray to... nothing!"
In article <No%Wq.2761$%E2.2...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ex- Atheist, now Prophet, Richard Dawkins claims a "superpowerful
> intelligent and moral energy" entity, "like God", is plausible and
> could have 'evolved' somewhere in the Universe "by an explicable
> scientific progression of incremental evolution", (which no
> atheist can explain).
What part of "explicable" does fasgnadh claim means "inexplicable"?
> # "After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks far afield.
> # He talks of the possibility that we might co-evolve with computers, a
> # silicon destiny. And he¹s intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring
> # writings of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
> #
> # 'In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years
> # into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into
> # something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
> #
> # Doesn¹t that description sound an awful lot like God?
> #
> # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It¹s highly plausible that
> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
> #
> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he¹s gone around a
> # religious bend. "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
> # came into being by an EXPLICABLE [emphasis added] scientific
> # progression of incremental evolution."'
> #
> # Could they be immortal? The professor shrugs.
> #
> # ³Probably not.² He smiles and adds, ³But I
> # wouldn¹t want to be too dogmatic about that.²"
> So, which atheist is going to explain the inexplicable,
What is supposed to be INexplicable when Dawkins himself says "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods came into being by an EXPLICABLE scientific progression of
incremental evolution."
What part of "explicable" does fasgnadh claim means "inexplicable"?
Discussion subject changed to ""Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D" by fasgnadh
>>> On 1/02/2012 1:37 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <bd582085-1863-4774-b3ad-4a922f224...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 31/01/2012 10:21 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:38 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>>>>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>>>>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>>>>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>>>>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>>>>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist ,"
>>>>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>>>>> architecture – especially old churches."
>>>>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions!
>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile
>>>>>>>> Bullshit Number Whatever
>>>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-
>> 7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>>>>> across the country."
>>>>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect
>>>>>>>> Tom Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower
>>>>>>>> placed among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>>>>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>>>>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>>>>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>>>>> and feel tiny.”
>>>>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>>>>> "What would happen inside?"
>>>>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>>>>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>>>>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or
>>>>>>>> African churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds
>>>>>>>> rather sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My
>>>>>>>> target of a lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male
>>>>>>>> academic from Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is
>>>>>>>> ridiculous.” "
>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>>>>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>>>>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a
>>>>>>>> £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million
>>>>>>>> – earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling
>>>>>>>> on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, “just like
>>>>>>>> Chartres Cathedral”.
>>>>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent
>>>>>>>> times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for
>>>>>>>> an established community and with the promise of a heavenly
>>>>>>>> reward. “The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to
>>>>>>>> go to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,” he
>>>>>>>> says. (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came
>>>>>>>> from the lottery or government agencies.)"
>>>>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that?
>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is
>>>>>>>> something misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful
>>>>>>>> is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who made it:
>>>>>>>> a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim
>>>>>>>> find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an
>>>>>>>> abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the way
>>>>>>>> they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from
>>>>>>>> are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space:
>>>>>>>> the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
>>>>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding
>>>>>>>> Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton
>>>>>>>> could hold lectures there and maybe move the School of Life he
>>>>>>>> already runs to the site. With his calming voice calling for a
>>>>>>>> renewal of “community, beauty, sympathy, kindness, a moral
>>>>>>>> structure” – priorities few could disagree with – he might get a
>>>>>>>> more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>>>>>> Priceless!
>>>>>>>> Religion for Atheists is published by Penguin. For details on
>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists, visit www.tomgreenall.co.uk and
>>>>>>>> www.houseofjonn.com
>>>>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident
>>>>>>>> anti-religion figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth
>>>>>>>> fighting over?
>>>>>>> BroilJAB stunned,
>>>>>>> I thought DAMN sure you just made this thing
>>>>>>> up, Dr.Fasgnadh, until I googled and...hilarious!
>>>>>>> Atheism has totally collapsed, wanting Temples then
>>>>>>> wanting US to build em for them. They don't get the
>>>>>>> whole idea of 'government NOT funding religion'. LOL
>>>>>> "No Joke: Alain de Botton Wants To Build Temples To Atheism
>>>>>> Let us now pray to... nothing!"
Discussion subject changed to "Vurgil can't explain how the atheists IMAGINARY FRIENDS 'came into being'! B^D Re: Atheist LIAR snips the evidence then claims it doesn't exist! B^D Re: "Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D" by fasgnadh
Subject: Vurgil can't explain how the atheists IMAGINARY FRIENDS 'came into being'! B^D Re: Atheist LIAR snips the evidence then claims it doesn't exist! B^D Re: "Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D
>>>> On 1/02/2012 1:37 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <bd582085-1863-4774-b3ad-4a922f224...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 10:21 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:38 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>>>>>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>>>>>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>>>>>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>>>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>>>>>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>>>>>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist ,"
>>>>>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>>>>>> architecture – especially old churches."
>>>>>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions!
>>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit Number Whatever
>>>>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-
>>> 7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>>>>>> across the country."
>>>>>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect
>>>>>>>>> Tom Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower
>>>>>>>>> placed among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>>>>>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>>>>>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>>>>>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>>>>>> and feel tiny.”
>>>>>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>>>>>> "What would happen inside?"
>>>>>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>>>>>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>>>>>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or
>>>>>>>>> African churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds
>>>>>>>>> rather sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My
>>>>>>>>> target of a lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male
>>>>>>>>> academic from Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is
>>>>>>>>> ridiculous.” "
>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>>>>>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>>>>>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a
>>>>>>>>> £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million
>>>>>>>>> – earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling
>>>>>>>>> on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, “just like
>>>>>>>>> Chartres Cathedral”.
>>>>>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent
>>>>>>>>> times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for
>>>>>>>>> an established community and with the promise of a heavenly
>>>>>>>>> reward. “The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to
>>>>>>>>> go to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,” he
>>>>>>>>> says. (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came
>>>>>>>>> from the lottery or government agencies.)"
>>>>>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>>>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that?
>>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is
>>>>>>>>> something misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful
>>>>>>>>> is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who made it:
>>>>>>>>> a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim
>>>>>>>>> find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an
>>>>>>>>> abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the way
>>>>>>>>> they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from
>>>>>>>>> are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space:
>>>>>>>>> the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
>>>>>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding
>>>>>>>>> Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton
>>>>>>>>> could hold lectures there and maybe move the School of Life he
>>>>>>>>> already runs to the site. With his calming voice calling for a
>>>>>>>>> renewal of “community, beauty, sympathy, kindness, a moral
>>>>>>>>> structure” – priorities few could disagree with – he might get a
>>>>>>>>> more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>>>>>>> Priceless!
>>>>>>>>> Religion for Atheists is published by Penguin. For details on
>>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists, visit www.tomgreenall.co.uk and
>>>>>>>>> www.houseofjonn.com
>>>>>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident
>>>>>>>>> anti-religion figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth
>>>>>>>>> fighting over?
>>>>>>>> BroilJAB stunned,
>>>>>>>> I thought DAMN sure you just made this thing
>>>>>>>> up, Dr.Fasgnadh, until I googled and...hilarious!
>>>>>>>> Atheism has totally collapsed, wanting Temples then
>>>>>>>> wanting US to build em for them. They don't get the
>>>>>>>> whole idea of 'government NOT funding religion'. LOL
>>>>>>> "No Joke: Alain de Botton Wants To Build Temples To Atheism
>>>>>>> Let us now pray to... nothing!"
Discussion subject changed to "Vurgil explains that future events do not need explanation until they actually have occurred, which Dawkins has not claimed. So fasgnadh f**ked up again!" by Vurgil
Subject: Re: Vurgil explains that future events do not need explanation until they actually have occurred, which Dawkins has not claimed. So fasgnadh f**ked up again!
fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 4/02/2012 12:23 PM, Vurgil wrote:
> > On 4/02/2012 11:57 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >> On 3/02/2012 9:09 AM, Paul David Wright wrote:
> >>> fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >>> news:hdhWq.2696$%E2.929@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com:
> >>>> On 1/02/2012 1:37 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <bd582085-1863-4774-b3ad-4a922f224...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>> Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 31/01/2012 10:21 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:38 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
> >>>>>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
> >>>>>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
> >>>>>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
> >>>>>>>>> In his poem ³Church Going², Philip Larkin anticipates
> >>>>>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
> >>>>>>>>> ³And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
> >>>>>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky².
> >>>>>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
> >>>>>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
> >>>>>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
> >>>>>>>>> nostalgic for its ³consoling, subtle or just charming rituals².
> >>>>>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
> >>>>>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist ,"
> >>>>>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
> >>>>>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
> >>>>>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
> >>>>>>>>> architecture especially old churches."
> >>>>>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
> >>>>>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
> >>>>>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
> >>>>>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
> >>>>>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
> >>>>>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions!
> >>>>>>>>> B^]
> >>>>>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
> >>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
> >>>>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile
> >>>>>>>>> Bullshit Number Whatever
> >>>>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
> >>>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
> >>>>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-
> >>> 7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
> >>>>>>>>>> #
> >>>>>>>>> #
> >>>>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
> >>>>>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
> >>>>>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
> >>>>>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
> >>>>>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
> >>>>>>>>> across the country."
> >>>>>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
> >>>>>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
> >>>>>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect
> >>>>>>>>> Tom Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower
> >>>>>>>>> placed among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
> >>>>>>>>> ³Often a religious building plays around with
> >>>>>>>>> our perspective: it¹s very large, or it¹s very old or both.
> >>>>>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
> >>>>>>>>> and feel tiny.²
> >>>>>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
> >>>>>>>>> Happiness... "
> >>>>>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
> >>>>>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
> >>>>>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
> >>>>>>>>> "What would happen inside?"
> >>>>>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
> >>>>>>>>> what it ISN'T:
> >>>>>>>>> ³There isn¹t a liturgy, there isn¹t a Bible,² he says..."
> >>>>>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or
> >>>>>>>>> African churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds
> >>>>>>>>> rather sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: ³My
> >>>>>>>>> target of a lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male
> >>>>>>>>> academic from Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is
> >>>>>>>>> ridiculous.² "
> >>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
> >>>>>>>>> "A key indication of the temple¹s popularity will come from its
> >>>>>>>>> fund-raising."
> >>>>>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
> >>>>>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a
> >>>>>>>>> £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million
> >>>>>>>>> earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling
> >>>>>>>>> on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, ³just like
> >>>>>>>>> Chartres Cathedral².
> >>>>>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent
> >>>>>>>>> times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for
> >>>>>>>>> an established community and with the promise of a heavenly
> >>>>>>>>> reward. ³The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to
> >>>>>>>>> go to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,² he
> >>>>>>>>> says. (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came
> >>>>>>>>> from the lottery or government agencies.)"
> >>>>>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
> >>>>>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
> >>>>>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
> >>>>>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
> >>>>>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that?
> >>>>>>>>> B^]
> >>>>>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can¹t help thinking there is
> >>>>>>>>> something misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful
> >>>>>>>>> is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who made it:
> >>>>>>>>> a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim
> >>>>>>>>> find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an
> >>>>>>>>> abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the way
> >>>>>>>>> they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from
> >>>>>>>>> are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space:
> >>>>>>>>> the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
> >>>>>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding
> >>>>>>>>> Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton
> >>>>>>>>> could hold lectures there and maybe move the School of Life he
> >>>>>>>>> already runs to the site. With his calming voice calling for a
> >>>>>>>>> renewal of ³community, beauty, sympathy, kindness, a moral
> >>>>>>>>> structure² priorities few could disagree with he might get a
> >>>>>>>>> more devoted following than he imagines."
> >>>>>>>>> Priceless!
> >>>>>>>>> Religion for Atheists is published by Penguin. For details on
> >>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists, visit www.tomgreenall.co.uk and
> >>>>>>>>> www.houseofjonn.com
> >>>>>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident
> >>>>>>>>> anti-religion figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth
> >>>>>>>>> fighting over?
> >>>>>>>> BroilJAB stunned,
> >>>>>>>> I thought DAMN sure you just made this thing
> >>>>>>>> up, Dr.Fasgnadh, until I googled and...hilarious!
> >>>>>>>> Atheism has totally collapsed, wanting Temples then
> >>>>>>>> wanting US to build em for them. They
Discussion subject changed to "How does the explicitly explicable (according to Dawkins) become so inexplicably inexplicable (according to fasgnadh)?" by Vurgil
In article <j70Xq.2766$%E2.1...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Ex- Atheist, now Prophet, Richard Dawkins claims a "superpowerful
> >>>>> intelligent and moral energy" entity, "like God", is plausible and
> >>>>> could have 'evolved' somewhere in the Universe "by an explicable
> >>>>> scientific progression of incremental evolution", (which no
> >>>>> atheist can explain). B^D
Actually, for those who can read more accurately than faasgnadh, those god-like beings are only potential, in the sense that they may exist at some ambiguous but distant future time, but are not claimed to exist at present.
After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks far afield. He talks of the possibility that we might co-evolve with computers, a silicon destiny. And he¹s intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring writings of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
Doesn¹t that description sound an awful lot like God?
³Certainly,² Professor Dawkins replies. ³It¹s highly plausible that in the universe there are God-like creatures.²
He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he¹s gone around a religious bend. ³It¹s very important to understand that these Gods came into being by an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution.²
Could they be immortal? The professor shrugs.
³Probably not.² He smiles and adds, ³But I wouldn¹t want to be too dogmatic about that.²
A version of this article appeared in print on September 20, 2011, in
> >>>>> So, which atheist is going to explain the inexplicable,
> >>>>> unscientific, BELIEF in "these {atheist] Gods", with no proof
> >>>>> whatsoever, and show us the evidence of how, and where, God evolved?
Since according to the original Dawkins quote such god-like beings' existence is only postulated for some "millions of speculative years into the future", no explanation of them now is required.
> Now these poor irrational atheist liars think they can SNIP
> the evidence that Dawkins claimed these Atheist "Gods came into being.."
> and deny that the evidence exists:
"Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy."
> >> Doesn't exist, at lesat not yet.
> Yes it does, you merely SNIPPED IT! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
See the unsnipped version above saying "millions of speculative years into the future".
On the contrary, it is fasgnadh who is claiming the present existence of something which only may exist in some distant future.
And thus needs no present explanation.
But his/her/its misrepresentatains do need an explanation.
> Usually indicates it's worthless..
> go on, lets see if you HAVE A CLUE:
> > fagsnuts.
> We hear you suck them all the time..
> is that all you have to share?
> > Dawkins is still an atheist,
> Defined as one who believes, and I QUOTE VERBATIM:
"Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy."
If you are going to quote verbatim, it is customary to quote entire context instead of cutting out the parts you do not want others to see.
To those who can read what was written in the article Dawkins was quoted as speculating on a time in the distant future when such beings MAY by then have come into existence.
fasgnadh's claiming that Dawkins was talking about the present shows how incompetent fasgnadh's reading skill are.
Either that or how sneaky and underhanded fasgnadh's lying skills are.
Or both!
> So you're another 'ex-atheist' who believes Prophet
> Dawkin's God's and Bishop Bukakke who has built an
> Altar of Atheism! Bad^Dog
No, I am a present atheist beleives that Dawkins got it right andwho believes fasgnadh is trying vainly to counter the good effects of what Dawkins actually said.
Discussion subject changed to "Atheists admit they have NO EXPLANATION for Dawkin's claim their Sci Fi FANTASY that atheist Gods "Came into Being" - worse rubbish than SCIENTOLOGY! B^D was Re: "Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D" by fasgnadh
Subject: Atheists admit they have NO EXPLANATION for Dawkin's claim their Sci Fi FANTASY that atheist Gods "Came into Being" - worse rubbish than SCIENTOLOGY! B^D was Re: "Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D
> On 4/02/2012 12:47 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 3/02/2012 9:35 AM, John Baker wrote:
>>> On 3/02/2012 9:09 AM, Paul David Wright wrote:
>>>> fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> news:hdhWq.2696$%E2.929@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com:
>>>>> On 1/02/2012 1:37 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <bd582085-1863-4774-b3ad-4a922f224...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 10:21 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:38 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>>>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>>>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>>>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>>>>>>> In his poem “Church Going”, Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>>>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>>>>>>> “And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>>>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky”.
>>>>>>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>>>>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>>>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>>>>>>> nostalgic for its “consoling, subtle or just charming rituals”.
>>>>>>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>>>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist ,"
>>>>>>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>>>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>>>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>>>>>>> architecture – especially old churches."
>>>>>>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>>>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>>>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>>>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>>>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>>>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions!
>>>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit Number Whatever
>>>>>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-
>>>> 7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>>>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>>>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>>>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>>>>>>> across the country."
>>>>>>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>>>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>>>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect
>>>>>>>>>> Tom Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower
>>>>>>>>>> placed among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>>>>>>> “Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>>>>>>> our perspective: it’s very large, or it’s very old or both.
>>>>>>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>>>>>>> and feel tiny.”
>>>>>>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>>>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>>>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>>>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>>>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>>>>>>> "What would happen inside?"
>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>>>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>>>>>>> “There isn’t a liturgy, there isn’t a Bible,” he says..."
>>>>>>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or
>>>>>>>>>> African churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds
>>>>>>>>>> rather sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: “My
>>>>>>>>>> target of a lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male
>>>>>>>>>> academic from Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is
>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous.” "
>>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>>>>>>> "A key indication of the temple’s popularity will come from its
>>>>>>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>>>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>>>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a
>>>>>>>>>> £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million
>>>>>>>>>> – earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling
>>>>>>>>>> on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, “just like
>>>>>>>>>> Chartres Cathedral”.
>>>>>>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent
>>>>>>>>>> times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for
>>>>>>>>>> an established community and with the promise of a heavenly
>>>>>>>>>> reward. “The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to
>>>>>>>>>> go to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,” he
>>>>>>>>>> says. (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came
>>>>>>>>>> from the lottery or government agencies.)"
>>>>>>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>>>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>>>>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>>>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>>>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that?
>>>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can’t help thinking there is
>>>>>>>>>> something misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful
>>>>>>>>>> is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who made it:
>>>>>>>>>> a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim
>>>>>>>>>> find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an
>>>>>>>>>> abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the way
>>>>>>>>>> they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from
>>>>>>>>>> are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space:
>>>>>>>>>> the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
>>>>>>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding
>>>>>>>>>> Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton
>>>>>>>>>> could hold lectures there and maybe move the School of Life he
>>>>>>>>>> already runs to the site. With his calming voice calling for a
>>>>>>>>>> renewal of “community, beauty, sympathy, kindness, a moral
>>>>>>>>>> structure” – priorities few could disagree with – he might get a
>>>>>>>>>> more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>>>>>>>> Priceless!
>>>>>>>>>> Religion for Atheists is published by Penguin. For details on
>>>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists, visit www.tomgreenall.co.uk and
>>>>>>>>>> www.houseofjonn.com
>>>>>>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident
>>>>>>>>>> anti-religion figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth
>>>>>>>>>> fighting over?
>>>>>>>>> BroilJAB stunned,
>>>>>>>>> I thought DAMN sure you just made this thing
>>>>>>>>> up, Dr.Fasgnadh, until I googled and...hilarious!
>>>>>>>>> Atheism has totally collapsed, wanting Temples then
>>>>>>>>> wanting US to build em for them. They don't get the
>>>>>>>>> whole idea of 'government NOT funding religion'. LOL
>>>>>>>> "No Joke: Alain de Botton Wants To Build Temples To Atheism
>>>>>>>> Let
Discussion subject changed to "Atheists Invent Scientology Mk II - The EVOLVED Version! BWAAHAHAHAHAAA Virgil FORGES fake Dawkins quote! Re: Vurgil can't explain how the atheists IMAGINARY FRIENDS 'came into being'! B^D Re: Atheist LIAR snips the evidence then claims it doesn't exist! B^D Re: "Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D" by fasgnadh
Subject: Atheists Invent Scientology Mk II - The EVOLVED Version! BWAAHAHAHAHAAA Virgil FORGES fake Dawkins quote! Re: Vurgil can't explain how the atheists IMAGINARY FRIENDS 'came into being'! B^D Re: Atheist LIAR snips the evidence then claims it doesn't exist! B^D Re: "Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D
> In article<H43Xq.2770$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
> fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 4/02/2012 12:23 PM, Vurgil wrote:
>>> On 4/02/2012 11:57 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 3/02/2012 9:09 AM, Paul David Wright wrote:
>>>>> fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:hdhWq.2696$%E2.929@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com:
>>>>>> On 1/02/2012 1:37 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <bd582085-1863-4774-b3ad-4a922f224...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>> Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 10:21 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:38 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>>>>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>>>>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>>>>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>>>>>>>> In his poem ³Church Going², Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>>>>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>>>>>>>> ³And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>>>>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky².
>>>>>>>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for Atheists,
>>>>>>>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>>>>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>>>>>>>> nostalgic for its ³consoling, subtle or just charming rituals².
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>>>>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist ,"
>>>>>>>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>>>>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>>>>>>>> architecture especially old churches."
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>>>>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>>>>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>>>>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>>>>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>>>>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate conclusions!
>>>>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>>>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile
>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit Number Whatever
>>>>>>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-
>>>>> 7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>>>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>>>>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>>>>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>>>>>>>> across the country."
>>>>>>>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>>>>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>>>>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower
>>>>>>>>>>> placed among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>>>>>>>> ³Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>>>>>>>> our perspective: it¹s very large, or it¹s very old or both.
>>>>>>>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>>>>>>>> and feel tiny.²
>>>>>>>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>>>>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>>>>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>>>>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>>>>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>>>>>>>> "What would happen inside?"
>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>>>>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>>>>>>>> ³There isn¹t a liturgy, there isn¹t a Bible,² he says..."
>>>>>>>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or
>>>>>>>>>>> African churches are very distant from his vision: it all sounds
>>>>>>>>>>> rather sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: ³My
>>>>>>>>>>> target of a lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male
>>>>>>>>>>> academic from Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is
>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous.² "
>>>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>>>>>>>> "A key indication of the temple¹s popularity will come from its
>>>>>>>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>>>>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours of a
>>>>>>>>>>> £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25 million
>>>>>>>>>>> earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than calling
>>>>>>>>>>> on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, ³just like
>>>>>>>>>>> Chartres Cathedral².
>>>>>>>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more recent
>>>>>>>>>>> times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing so for
>>>>>>>>>>> an established community and with the promise of a heavenly
>>>>>>>>>>> reward. ³The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to
>>>>>>>>>>> go to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,² he
>>>>>>>>>>> says. (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came
>>>>>>>>>>> from the lottery or government agencies.)"
>>>>>>>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>>>>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state? B^]
>>>>>>>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>>>>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want that?
>>>>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can¹t help thinking there is
>>>>>>>>>>> something misconceived about the project. What we find beautiful
>>>>>>>>>>> is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who made it:
>>>>>>>>>>> a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a Muslim
>>>>>>>>>>> find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an
>>>>>>>>>>> abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the way
>>>>>>>>>>> they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from
>>>>>>>>>>> are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space:
>>>>>>>>>>> the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
>>>>>>>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding
>>>>>>>>>>> Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton
>>>>>>>>>>> could hold lectures there and maybe move the School of Life he
>>>>>>>>>>> already runs to the site. With his calming voice calling for a
>>>>>>>>>>> renewal of ³community, beauty, sympathy, kindness, a moral
>>>>>>>>>>> structure² priorities few could disagree with he might get a
>>>>>>>>>>> more devoted following than he imagines."
>>>>>>>>>>> Priceless!
>>>>>>>>>>> Religion for Atheists is published by Penguin. For details on
>>>>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists, visit www.tomgreenall.co.uk and
>>>>>>>>>>> www.houseofjonn.com
>>>>>>>>>>> So many atheists want to "reclaim atheism from strident
>>>>>>>>>>> anti-religion figures such as Richard Dawkins" but is it worth
>>>>>>>>>>> fighting over?
Discussion subject changed to "How does the merely plausible (according to Dawkins) become so actual (according to fasgnadh) that it needs proof?" by Vurgil
> # "After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks far afield.
> # He talks of the possibility that we might co-evolve with computers, a
> # silicon destiny. And he¹s intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring
> # writings of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
> #
> # 'In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years
> # into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into
> # something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
> #
> # Doesn¹t that description sound an awful lot like God?
> #
> # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It¹s highly plausible that
> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
> #
> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he¹s gone around a
> # religious bend. "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
> # incremental evolution."'
> #
> # Could they be immortal? The professor shrugs.
> #
> # ³Probably not.² He smiles and adds, ³But I
> # wouldn¹t want to be too dogmatic about that.²"
> So, which atheist is going to explain the inexplicable,
> unscientific, BELIEF in "these {atheist] Gods", with no proof
> whatsoever, and show us the evidence of how, and where, God evolved?
Since Dawkins only concedes plausibility, not actuality, no one but you theists are claiming actuality, so no one but your lot needs any proofs.
Discussion subject changed to "Desperate Lying atheist tools FORGE false Dawkins quotes! 8^o Re: Atheists Invent Scientology Mk II - The EVOLVED Version! BWAAHAHAHAHAAA Virgil FORGES fake Dawkins quote! Re: Vurgil can't explain how the atheists IMAGINARY FRIENDS 'came into being'! B^D Re: Atheist LIAR snips the evidence then claims it doesn't exist! B^D Re: "Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D" by fasgnadh
Subject: Desperate Lying atheist tools FORGE false Dawkins quotes! 8^o Re: Atheists Invent Scientology Mk II - The EVOLVED Version! BWAAHAHAHAHAAA Virgil FORGES fake Dawkins quote! Re: Vurgil can't explain how the atheists IMAGINARY FRIENDS 'came into being'! B^D Re: Atheist LIAR snips the evidence then claims it doesn't exist! B^D Re: "Alain de Botton puts faith in temples for atheists" - Religion, for Atheists! and the hypocrites want the taxpayer to fund it! B^D
>> But that's how the ATHEISTS READ OTHER PEOPLE'S TEXTS! B^]
>>> In article<H43Xq.2770$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
>>> fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/02/2012 12:23 PM, Vurgil wrote:
>>>>> On 4/02/2012 11:57 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/02/2012 9:09 AM, Paul David Wright wrote:
>>>>>>> fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:hdhWq.2696$%E2.929@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com:
>>>>>>>> On 1/02/2012 1:37 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <bd582085-1863-4774-b3ad-4a922f224...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>> Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 10:21 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:38 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/01/2012 7:20 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In his poem ³Church Going², Philip Larkin anticipates
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a time when faith completely vanishes from England.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ³And what remains when disbelief has gone?/ Grass,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky².
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alain de Botton disagrees. In his new book Religion for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the popular sage argues that, although many in the West have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> little time for organised religion, they still have feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nostalgic for its ³consoling, subtle or just charming rituals².
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists are Interested in the Fruit without the Tree! B^D
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "De Botton, who was raised an atheist ,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...most people grow out of as they develop rational
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking skills and become mature adults...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "..likewise feels an affinity for religiously inspired
>>>>>>>>>>>>> architecture especially old churches."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, the architecture, music, sculpture, science and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> secular democracies inspired built and sustained by majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious societies provide immense beauty and have created
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the very civilisations we all enjoy.. atheist states have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all been bleak, grey, dull, monotonous TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you would think atheists could draw the appropriate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusions!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "de Botton has come up with ambitious scheme that he calls
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Temples for Atheists. "
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation: Debunking Flatnads Juvenile
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit Number Whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-
>>>>>>> 7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "These will be secular spaces for contemplation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh the theists have provided those already..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are called PARKS! The national ones are great!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "starting with one in London but then spreading
>>>>>>>>>>>>> across the country."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How sad that the separation of Church and State will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent them from receiving any taxpayer funds. B^]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The proposed London temple, designed jointly by the architect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Greenall and Jordan Hodgson, will be a huge black tower
>>>>>>>>>>>>> placed among the skyscrapers in the City of London.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ³Often a religious building plays around with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our perspective: it¹s very large, or it¹s very old or both.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It recalibrates us in space or time, so you walk in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and feel tiny.²
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "De Botton once wrote a book called The Architecture of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Happiness... "
>>>>>>>>>>>>> B^D how apt, the atheists just had a thread asking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What, to you, is fun, in atheism"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they all answered there was none in atheism per se!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What would happen inside?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hilarious.. like all reactionary atheists, he defines it by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what it ISN'T:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ³There isn¹t a liturgy, there isn¹t a Bible,² he says..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> " The inspirational singing you find in at Sufi shrines or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> African churches are very distant from his vision: it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather sedate and middle class. De Botton admits as much: ³My
>>>>>>>>>>>>> target of a lot of this is kind of the sixtysomething male
>>>>>>>>>>>>> academic from Oxford who attacks believers and says religion is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous.² "
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAAAA Tired old atheism!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "A key indication of the temple¹s popularity will come from its
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fund-raising."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes indeed! B^]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> De Botton is personally extremely wealthy (there are rumours
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> £200 million trust fund, but he insists he has only £7.25
>>>>>>>>>>>>> million
>>>>>>>>>>>>> earned from book sales and teaching), but, rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on rich pals, he would prefer small donations, ³just like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chartres Cathedral².
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mention that the people who funded Chartres and, in more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> times, the Hindu Temple in Neasden, west London were doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an established community and with the promise of a heavenly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reward. ³The Tate Modern was funded not by people who wanted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to heaven but people who thought it was a good project,² he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> says. (In fact, more than half of the £134 million it cost came
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the lottery or government agencies.)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ATHEISTS WANT PUBLIC MONEY FOR *THEIR* TEMPLE! 8^o
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HYPOCRITES! What happened to separation of Church and state?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "De Botton wants to reclaim atheism from strident anti-religion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> figures such as Richard Dawkins."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, doesn't all the thinking rational atheists want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> B^]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> " While this is a laudable aim, I can¹t help thinking there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something misconceived about the project. What we find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is inevitably bound up with the values of the people who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made it:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Protestant may recoil from a rococo Italian church or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Muslim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a synagogue too plain for his tastes not because of an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> abstract aesthetic sense but because it seems foreign to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they worship. The strict beliefs that de Botton shies away from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are exactly what thrill and terrify visitors to a sacred space:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thought that it was built in the name of truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is another possible future for this impressive-sounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Temple for Atheists. If not enough people wander in, de Botton
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could hold lectures there and maybe move the
>>>> But that's how the ATHEISTS READ OTHER PEOPLE'S TEXTS! B^]
....
>>>>> according to Dawkins,
>>>>> it will be the case that "these Gods will have came into being
Virgul and and his Kook Sucker believe they can forge text
and if they are exposed they will just snip the evidence,
repeat their lies, and complain "The Evidence of atheist lies
is just too BIG"
>> Where in that article did Dawkins say any such thing?
Vurgul has fucked off.. he has no answer, he lied about
what Dawkins said and the Kook-Sucker steps in to do the big snip
for him..
It's like a tag team composed of a liar and self-styled style consultant
(Net Nazi) for Usenet..
They really deserve each other.
>> You lying shitpigs sink to EVER LOWER DEPTHS of despicable dishonesty!
here's what Dawkins actually said and what the Lying
atheist and his Kook Sucking, arse licking, bum boy snipped;
...
# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being
When did that happen? where? How many 'came into being'?
Do they have names?
>>>> Dawkins never said that, you lying atheist shitpig
>>>> YOU HAVE MANUFACTURED FALSE TEXT!
>>>> Fuck off, you atheist FORGER and FRAUD!
>>> Since Dawkins only concedes plausibility,
>> So you atheists all think "God's are Plausible", eh?
>> I think that should go on some T-Shirts!?
>> "God is plausible" - Dawkins
>> along with my favourite..
>> "These Gods Came into being" - Arch-Deacon Dawkins!
>>> not actuality,
>> No no of course he's not an ACTUAL Arch-Deacon,
>> he's more of a Cake Boi in a Nun's habit at Gay Mardi Gras
>> Has anyone seen the atheist Gods anywhere?
>>> no one
>>> but you theists
>> I'm not a theist, you have reached your Limit of LIES;
>> falsus in uno, falsis in omnibus
The Kook Suckers, like Lemon, can't operate at a level higher
than weak flames about post-size, and Net Nanny whining;
pouting, stamping it's little hoof and demanding no one
posts more ideas in a thread than it will allow!
and you think anyone will pay you the slightest bit of notice?
B^D
Ok, Grandma, so forging a quote and presenting it as Dawkin's words
is your idea of netiquette, and "big posts" are the target of
YOUR Crusade to Make Usenet a Better Place! BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
So you defend the forgery and whine about
"too many wurds hurts Lemon's brane."
Aw.. sorry Grandma, did we spill our lemonade on your needlepoint!
Fuck off back to kook land.. you have nothing to say worth hearing.
> people who don't want to scroll through over nine hundred fucking
> lines
usually those that don't want to read my posts simply DON'T..
just like no one reads your endless Kook Sucker mass-debates...
but apparently your Life's Work is to read my posts, have nothing
to say about the content.. tell us you haven't read it because,
like penises and brains, no one should have a BIGGER ONE
than you.. and then spend your entire post WHINING about it!
< Snipped empty rhetoric, ad hom and whining.. nothing left>.
> Snarky
I suspect it's because you don't get laid.
I have passed your professional Net Nanny Whining
on to the Nanny Authority, who think they may
have a job for you in the Department of Kook
Krossposting to Komplain about Krossposting;
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--
So, which atheist is going to explain the inexplicable,
unscientific, BELIEF in "these {atheist] Gods", with no proof
whatsoever, and show us the evidence of how, and where, God evolved?
Discussion subject changed to "How does the merely plausible (according to Dawkins) become so actual (according to fasgnadh) that it needs proof?" by fasgnadh
> On 5/02/2012 12:02 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 4/02/2012 12:10 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
>>> "shiny" <a@b.ç> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9FEECCA8624C4neon@208.90.168.18...
>>>> Mark Morgan <m...@nospam4me.invalid> sez 03 Feb 2012:
>>>>>>>> I'm sure it was just a suggestion, Mark. No need to get all uppity
>>>>>>>> about it. Why don't you get yourself some kelp, then help yourself
>>>>>>>> to a big hot cup of shut-the-fuck-up?
>>>>>> The Grand Wizard appreciates your campaign speeches, which are
>>>>>> appropriately grunting, profane and monosyllabic. But you must
>>>>>> realize my client Emmett Gulley, the Pissbum Powerhouse, has the
>>>>>> Pathetic Anal Pineapple award in the bag for this month. Still, your
>>>>>> efforts are not in vain. If you keep working hard, I'm sure you will
>>>>>> yourself (or is that yourselves?) rewarded for your efforts next
>>>>>> month. And if Pope Snarky would be so kind as to post evidence that
>>>>>> the MMFC is a one-man band, the Grand Wizard might even be able to get
>>>>>> you drummed into the prestigious Order of the Holey Sockpuppet. I have
>>>>>> some expertise on this topic, being as how I am a sock atop a sock and
>>>>>> wearing a sparkly turban to boot.
>>>>>> The Grand Wizard of AUK has spoken. Thank you all for listening.
>>>>> No one gives a flying fuck, rusty trombone.
>>>> are you the princess in charge of this group?
>>> It's a crying shame how Mr. Tavek turned into just another trite and
>>> boring stAUKer.
>> What was he before he became a bore?
>>> He used to be worth reading, now he's a waste of time.
>> You mean he wasn't always a whiney little Sook who spends his days
>> making pissy crossposted complaints about crossposting and
>> churning out Post-Style and -size flames aimed at those whose
>> threads get more attention than his? Hilarious! B^D
>> Is stAUKer how they self-title themselves..
>> in reality they are just little puppies that yap at one's heels.
> Professor Dawkins replies.
...
> "It¹s very important to understand that
Bukakke thinks it's so important she built an Altar
of Atheism to worship them;
# From: Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID: <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
I told you atheists you were in decline:
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
# "After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins walks far afield.
# He talks of the possibility that we might co-evolve with computers, a
# silicon destiny. And he’s intrigued by the playful, even soul-stirring
# writings of Freeman Dyson, the theoretical physicist.
#
# 'In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years
# into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into
# something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
#
# Doesn’t that description sound an awful lot like God?
#
# "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It’s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
#
# He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he’s gone around a
# religious bend. "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being
When did that happen? where? How many 'came into being'?
Do they have names?
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??
# by an explicable scientific progression of incremental evolution."'
Explain how IMMATERIAL and SUPERNATURAL entities, "superpowerful
intelligent and moral energy" can be affected by Natural Selection,
which occurs in BIOLOGICAL species subject to physical mutations!?
# Could they be immortal? The professor shrugs.
#
# “Probably not.” He smiles and adds, “But I
# wouldn’t want to be too dogmatic about that.”"
So, which atheist is going to explain the inexplicable,
unscientific, BELIEF in "these {atheist] Gods", with no proof
whatsoever, and show us the evidence of how, and where, God evolved?
When did that happen? where? How many 'came into being'?
Do they have names?
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??
..Atheist activist Bukakke has built an Atheist altar to worship them;
# From: Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID: <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
...and national atheist bodies have formally applied to be recognised
as a religion:
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 03:30:34 -0800 (PST), Loirbaj
> <Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>> After Prophet Dawkins converted and declared
>> his Atheist "Gods came into being..."
>> and Bukakke started building an Altar to worship
>> them at, now atheists plan TEMPLES FOR ATHEISTS!
> Wouldn't surprise me. Stupidity is not limited
In fact every atheist who has responded has accepted,
without ANY evidence whatsoever, that Dawkin's Gods are REAL!
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Atheists are in retreat:
Pope Dawkins declares Atheist Gods exist:
# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being
# - Richard Dawkins
When did that happen? where? How many 'came into being'?
Do they have names?
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?!??
..Atheist activist Bukakke has built an Atheist altar to worship them;
# From: Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID: <b5430732-e52e-45b5-abc3-7d0daa253...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
...and national atheist bodies have formally applied to be recognised
as a religion:
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009
