SPT: Why Scientology Isn't a Church
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller) wrote:
>>Scientology in sermon title raises eyebrows
>>http://www.sptimes.com/News/090801/NorthPinellas/Scientology_in_sermon.shtml
>>"I don't believe in my memory I've seen any church in Clearwater do that,"
>>said the Rev. Bill Anderson, who for 26 years has led Calvary Baptist
>>Church, which is downtown and near Scientology's facilities.
>That speaks tons for the moral leadership exerted by the local
>Christian community, doesn't it?
I dislike bringing up Nazi Germany but when Christians spoke out too
much, they were killed. I think that Christian leaders not wanting to
speak out is cowardly yet understandable. This Minister knew all about
what the cult would do to him and his congregation yet had the guts to
speak out any way -- good for him! But then he weaseled when the
crooks started their traditional anti-Christian activities against him.
Scientology demands that Jesus Christ never existed yet now they'll
start screaming about "religious persecution" because a Christian church
has the guts to mention the fact.
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>
> tinmi...@hotmail.com (mimus) wrote:
>
> >rke...@netaxs.com (Rod Keller) wrote:
> >>Scientology in sermon title raises eyebrows
> >>http://www.sptimes.com/News/090801/NorthPinellas/Scientology_in_sermon.shtml
> >>"I don't believe in my memory I've seen any church in Clearwater do that,"
> >>said the Rev. Bill Anderson, who for 26 years has led Calvary Baptist
> >>Church, which is downtown and near Scientology's facilities.
>
> >That speaks tons for the moral leadership exerted by the local
> >Christian community, doesn't it?
>
> I dislike bringing up Nazi Germany but when Christians spoke out too
> much, they were killed. I think that Christian leaders not wanting to
> speak out is cowardly yet understandable. This Minister knew all about
> what the cult would do to him and his congregation yet had the guts to
> speak out any way -- good for him! But then he weaseled when the
> crooks started their traditional anti-Christian activities against him.
>
> Scientology demands that Jesus Christ never existed yet now they'll
> start screaming about "religious persecution" because a Christian church
> has the guts to mention the fact.
Just flipping across my cable channels this Sunday morning it's pretty
clear that the Christians don't have any problem "speaking up" and
making their voice heard at will. The Scientology Borg has many areas
worthy of criticism but it doesn't help to have some Christian minister
exploit the notoriety of the Scientology label just to get attention to
peddle his "old-time religion."
stan
religion....
http://clix.to/sdgrimes I support bacteria. It's the only culture some
people get.
M. C. DiPietra
mused on 9/9/01 11:38 PM:
> But is Scientology a religion? There is a difference between church and
> religion....
okay, but it is sort of irrelevant whether it's a 'church' or a 'religion'
that is abusing people and the law.
Scn, Inc. just loves to trip people up with semantic games. They'll say
"Scientology[tm] is a bona fide religion; the Supreme Court said so" which
is a bald-faced lie. They'll then trace it to the IRS's 1993 tax exemption
decision, the secret and disturbing details of which were leaked to the
Washington Post and the New York Times in 1994 or 1995 [memory failure- I
must not be "clear"], and which indicate that 40 years of pressure on the
IRS along with several thousand lawsuits instigated against the IRS by Scn,
Inc. have yielded it special benefits that no other "religion" OR "church"
share [see Forbes article].
I don't care if the organization claims to worship a certain God or not, if
they're abusing people and the law.
FREE KEITH HENSON http://www.operatingthetan.com
M.C.DiPietra <mdip...@earthlink.net>, SP5, KoX
http://mp3.com/MaggieCouncil
"Hell, if you understood everything I say, you'd be me!" -Miles Davis
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
> But is Scientology a religion? There is
> a difference between church and religion....
Well, L. Ron Hubbard tried to market it as a self-help book, found that
there's at least two suckers born every minute, and decided he'd milk it
for all it was worth. He wrote a letteer to his wife Mary Sue Hubbard
discussing work "on the religion angle." That letter was among the many
documents seized by Federal agents oveer thee decades, incidentally.
And numberous ex-followers who were high ranking in the cult have offered
sworn affidavits attesting to thee history of Scientology and they all
mention the fact that the crook's ringleaders were laughing and making
jokes about turning the criminal swindle into a religion solely for the
tax exemption. It was reported that one ringleader laughed and said
that next they'll have to drag in staineed-glass windows to complete
the fraud.
mimus
>"stan" <sdgr...@cqc.com> wrote:
>
>> But is Scientology a religion? There is
>> a difference between church and religion....
>
>Well, L. Ron Hubbard tried to market it as a self-help book, found that
>there's at least two suckers born every minute, and decided he'd milk it
>for all it was worth. He wrote a letteer to his wife Mary Sue Hubbard
>discussing work "on the religion angle." That letter was among the many
>documents seized by Federal agents oveer thee decades, incidentally.
>And numberous ex-followers who were high ranking in the cult have offered
>sworn affidavits attesting to thee history of Scientology and they all
>mention the fact that the crook's ringleaders were laughing and making
>jokes about turning the criminal swindle into a religion solely for the
>tax exemption. It was reported that one ringleader laughed and said
>that next they'll have to drag in staineed-glass windows to complete
>the fraud.
They oughta start touting the SP Building as a cathedral and drag some
no doubt truly unique stained glass in there.
You know, of Elron's pre-Dianetics explorations, researches,
auctorialism and war heroism, and his bringing of his gifts to Man,
and his casting the engrams and BTs out, and his scourging the
bankers, psychs and Marcabians, etc.
(And maybe a few of the more lurid scenes from his various
observations of cosmic history.)
>Send information concerning incidents of racketeering and
>terrorism by the Scientology cult to the Domestic Terrorism
>Task Force at nor...@fbi.gov http://www.skeptictank.org/
>Scientology's L. Ron Hubbard: http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/
>PGP Key: http://www.skeptictank.org/frice.pgp
I saw
many people
reduced to
incoherent babbling,
stripping off clothes,
crawling around on the ground,
banging heads, limbs and other body parts
against furniture and walls,
barking,
losing all sense of one's identity
and intense and persistent suicidal ideation.
--Declaration of Andre Tabayoyon
I'm an OT.--Lisa McPherson
If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists
posting on the Internet every few days,
we'll just run the SP's right off the system.
It will be quite simple, actually.
--Elaine Siegel, OSA INT (1996)
Case 5/BTLA/SP1/BAD
KSJ
M. C. DiPietra
tinmi...@hotmail.com mused on 9/10/01 11:42 PM:
> fr...@NOSPAMskeptictank.org (Rev. Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>
>> "stan" <sdgr...@cqc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But is Scientology a religion? There is
>>> a difference between church and religion....
>>
>> Well, L. Ron Hubbard tried to market it as a self-help book, found that
>> there's at least two suckers born every minute, and decided he'd milk it
>> for all it was worth. He wrote a letteer to his wife Mary Sue Hubbard
>> discussing work "on the religion angle." That letter was among the many
>> documents seized by Federal agents oveer thee decades, incidentally.
>> And numberous ex-followers who were high ranking in the cult have offered
>> sworn affidavits attesting to thee history of Scientology and they all
>> mention the fact that the crook's ringleaders were laughing and making
>> jokes about turning the criminal swindle into a religion solely for the
>> tax exemption. It was reported that one ringleader laughed and said
>> that next they'll have to drag in staineed-glass windows to complete
>> the fraud.
>
> They oughta start touting the SP Building as a cathedral and drag some
> no doubt truly unique stained glass in there.
>
> You know, of Elron's pre-Dianetics explorations, researches,
> auctorialism and war heroism, and his bringing of his gifts to Man,
> and his casting the engrams and BTs out, and his scourging the
> bankers, psychs and Marcabians, etc.
>
> (And maybe a few of the more lurid scenes from his various
> observations of cosmic history.)
>
ROTFL!
Maybe they could just put up a big screen and show the BE trailer over and
over...you know they want to cover up window glass, anyway; don't want
anyone looking outside, there might be *signs*!
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>fr...@NOSPAMskeptictank.org (Rev. Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>"stan" <sdgr...@cqc.com> wrote:
>>> But is Scientology a religion? There is
>>> a difference between church and religion....
...cuts...flr...
>>jokes about turning the criminal swindle into a religion solely for the
>>tax exemption. It was reported that one ringleader laughed and said
>>that next they'll have to drag in staineed-glass windows to complete
>>the fraud.
>They oughta start touting the SP Building as a cathedral and drag some
>no doubt truly unique stained glass in there.
>You know, of Elron's pre-Dianetics explorations, researches,
>auctorialism and war heroism, and his bringing of his gifts to Man,
>and his casting the engrams and BTs out, and his scourging the
>bankers, psychs and Marcabians, etc.
Such a stained-glass exhibit would be wonderful art, yes, simply because
of the bizarre delusions he suffered from. The curious mix of flying
saucers and locomotives on Venus -- depicted in stained glass -- would be
a collector's item even to non-cult affectionadoes.
>(And maybe a few of the more lurid scenes from his various
>observations of cosmic history.)
You would be hard pressed to limit the number of subjects to depict in
a limited number of square feet, yeah.
---
mimus
>tinmi...@hotmail.com (mimus) wrote:
>
>>fr...@NOSPAMskeptictank.org (Rev. Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>
>>>"stan" <sdgr...@cqc.com> wrote:
>>>> But is Scientology a religion? There is
>>>> a difference between church and religion....
>...cuts...flr...
>>>jokes about turning the criminal swindle into a religion solely for the
>>>tax exemption. It was reported that one ringleader laughed and said
>>>that next they'll have to drag in staineed-glass windows to complete
>>>the fraud.
>
>>They oughta start touting the SP Building as a cathedral and drag some
>>no doubt truly unique stained glass in there.
>
>>You know, of Elron's pre-Dianetics explorations, researches,
>>auctorialism and war heroism, and his bringing of his gifts to Man,
>>and his casting the engrams and BTs out, and his scourging the
>>bankers, psychs and Marcabians, etc.
>
>Such a stained-glass exhibit would be wonderful art, yes, simply because
>of the bizarre delusions he suffered from. The curious mix of flying
>saucers and locomotives on Venus -- depicted in stained glass -- would be
>a collector's item even to non-cult affectionadoes.
Maybe we can have Lianna or someone do a nice collection of such
patterns? It would make a helluva screensaver, too.
>>(And maybe a few of the more lurid scenes from his various
>>observations of cosmic history.)
>
>You would be hard pressed to limit the number of subjects to depict in
>a limited number of square feet, yeah.
I was thinking Incidents One and Two, and then, of course, you'd have
to have the "gorilla goals" . . . .
>Send information concerning incidents of racketeering and
>terrorism by the Scientology cult to the Domestic Terrorism
>Task Force at nor...@fbi.gov http://www.skeptictank.org/
>Scientology's L. Ron Hubbard: http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/
>PGP Key: http://www.skeptictank.org/frice.pgp
>
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