What if (on White Dwarfs)
G=EMC^2 Glazier
point of light blink? We would know it had in its solar system a planet
the size of Jupiter. We would be observing a total eclipse of a star
many LY away. I predict this would happen. It would cost little time
and money. It could get me a Nobel if proven. Bert
Hagar
"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbert...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21628-462...@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net...
Ah, Beeert, I think they have been doing just that for some time now,
monitoring changes in brightness, which would indicate a planetary
transition. This is on top of measuring red and blue shifts in the spectrum
of stars to indicate a wobble, caused by the larger gas giants that may be
out there .....
Sorry to blow away your Nobel aspirations.
G=EMC^2 Glazier
brightness in hopes of proving a Sun like star has planets.My difference
is I'm using a star the size of the Earth,and going for a total eclipse.
That would be a first,and also prove a white dwarf having great
gravitation can have a solar system. Bert
Phineas T Puddleduck
herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
You truly have no idea.
--
Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
John "C"
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-5...@news.octanews.com...
> In article <6290-462...@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net>,
> herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
>
> > Hagar(not to horrible) Yes they have been looking for changes in
> > brightness in hopes of proving a Sun like star has planets.My difference
> > is I'm using a star the size of the Earth,and going for a total eclipse.
> > That would be a first,and also prove a white dwarf having great
> > gravitation can have a solar system. Bert
>
>
>
> You truly have no idea.
>
Daffy Duck is an Idiot!
Double-A
The theories I've seen about the transition of our own Sun into a
white dwarf do not suggest the destruction of the outer planets, and
it is thought that even the Earth might survive, although probably as
a burnt cinder. A total eclipse of a white dwarf by a planet like
Jupiter or Saturn should not be unlikely if the alignment were right.
In fact a planet of about 2.5 the size of Jupiter has been found
orbiting a white dwarf and neutron star double. See:
http://www.science.psu.edu/alert/Sigurdsson7-2003.htm
So white dwarf solar systems do exist.
Double-A
Phineas T Puddleduck
Double-A <doub...@hush.ai> wrote:
> The theories I've seen about the transition of our own Sun into a
> white dwarf do not suggest the destruction of the outer planets, and
> it is thought that even the Earth might survive, although probably as
> a burnt cinder. A total eclipse of a white dwarf by a planet like
> Jupiter or Saturn should not be unlikely if the alignment were right.
> In fact a planet of about 2.5 the size of Jupiter has been found
> orbiting a white dwarf and neutron star double. See:
>
> http://www.science.psu.edu/alert/Sigurdsson7-2003.htm
>
> So white dwarf solar systems do exist.
So you think the planets will survive the descent from MS star to Red
Giant, and the final ejection of its outer layers?
Double-A
wrote:
> In article <1176823373.159133.59...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
The sources I have found indicate that at least the outer planets
would survive. Can you cite sources to the contrary?
Double-A
Phineas T Puddleduck
Double-A <doub...@hush.ai> wrote:
>
> The sources I have found indicate that at least the outer planets
> would survive. Can you cite sources to the contrary?
>
> Double-A
Single planets != system. Bert and you seem to be postulating that life
bearing type planets will survive. As I showed, the act of becoming a
white dwarf is a cataclysmic process and the BEST you can hope for is
the largest planet surviving - which by nature of its very size (and the
fact it will need to be far enough away from the host sun to survive
within the system) is enough to discount it as a life bearing planet.
Note the link says
1) Its (AFAIK) the sole detection of a planet around a stellar remnant
2) "The pulsar, sun, and planet were themselves flung by gravitational
recoil into the less-dense outer regions of the cluster. Eventually, as
the star aged it ballooned to a red giant and spilled matter onto the
pulsar. The momentum carried with this matter caused the neutron star to
"spin-up" and re-awaken as a millisecond pulsar. Meanwhile, the planet
continued on its leisurely orbit at a distance of about 2 billion miles
from the pair (approximately the same distance Uranus is from our Sun).
It is likely that the planet is a gas giant, without a solid surface
like the Earth. Because it was formed so early in the life of the
universe, it probably doesn't have abundant quantities of elements such
as carbon and oxygen. For these reasons, it is very improbable the
planet would host life. Even if life arose on, for example, a solid moon
orbiting the planet, it is unlikely to have survived the intense x-ray
blast that would have accompanied the spin-up of the pulsar.
Regrettably, it is unlikely that any civilization witnessed and recorded
the dramatic history of this planet, which began at nearly the beginning
of time itself."
Any more cowardly anonymous nominations coming AA? I note you didn't
answer me last time...
Hagar
"Double-A" <doub...@hush.ai> wrote in message
news:1176828255.0...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
When the transition from Star to White Dwarf is complete (through the Red
Giant stage), the original mass of the star will be greatly reduced, since
the Red Giant phase blasts most of its outer layers into space, in repeated
convulsions. It is thus doubtful that the resulting White Dwarf has enough
gravity to keep the outer planets in a stable orbit. Neptune, Uranus and
Pluto (and their moons) will probably drift off into the Oort cloud and
beyond and may well wind up as true wandering planets in the Kuiper belt.
G=EMC^2 Glazier
think white dwarfs don't have planets is far out thinking. They say when
the Sun uses up it fuel it will fan out radiation as far out as Mars. I
say it will be gentler and reach only venus,with just a tiny radiation
out to 100,000,000 miles. Earth has life a the bottom of the sea,and 6
miles underground,and this life could survive,and the Earth also in the
spaceTime of 5 billion years would have a much greater orbit. Lots of
stuff has to be taken into account before you say that the Earth,and its
life forms are all destroyed. I see some give and take needed here
Bert
Phineas T Puddleduck
herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
> Double-A Thanks for that white dwarf solar system information. To
> think white dwarfs don't have planets is far out thinking.
More unsupported nonsense.
> They say when
> the Sun uses up it fuel it will fan out radiation as far out as Mars. I
> say it will be gentler and reach only venus,with just a tiny radiation
> out to 100,000,000 miles.
Planetary nebulae? Planetary nebulae are characterized by a shell of material
(of mass roughly 10 to 20 % of a solar mass) moving away from a hot
(temperatures of 20,000 to more than 100,000 Kelvins), faint star (in their
center) at a speed of 10 to 30 kilometers per second.
Bzzt wrong again Beert.
http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/messier/planetar.html
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~imamura/208/feb22/feb22.html
> Earth has life a the bottom of the sea,and 6
> miles underground,and this life could survive,and the Earth also in the
> spaceTime of 5 billion years would have a much greater orbit.
Really? How does this greater orbit come about. Please tell, loon
> Lots of
> stuff has to be taken into account before you say that the Earth,and its
> life forms are all destroyed. I see some give and take needed here
> Bert
More unsupported nonsense.
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within. Coffee boy to the
rich and famous
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
Scott Miller
A planet in an orbital plane in the line of sight to us to eclipse
Sirius B would also produce measurable Doppler effect. No such effect
has been observed in the spectra of Sirius B. That just about rules out
a Jupiter mass planet orbiting that object.
Scott Miller
Small problem there - the Sun's increased luminosity over the next half
billion years is likely to evaporate our atmosphere. With no atmosphere
to keep the water on the surface, no water. Therefore, by the time the
Sun does become a red giant and char the Earth, it will be charring a
lifeless world.
G=EMC^2 Glazier
it bounced back. A white dwarfs very long life would make renewing life
even more probable Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
deep space. White dwarfs going through space for 100 billion years has
a good chance of capturing them,and giving them the right stuff to
create life. Reality is "spacetime" is on my side of this discussion.
Red giant stage is short. Even how much long term damage it does to
planets 100 million miles from the expanding star going through its red
giant stage is not really known. Best to keep in mind the Earth
was a hot glowing red rock 5 billion years ago,and look at it now
Bert
Phineas T Puddleduck
herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Bert, with every post you dig yourself into a deeper hole.
G=EMC^2 Glazier
trillions of white dwarfs in the universe can never happen. It is only
very recently that we have the telescopes to observe such events. Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
when 3 feet away from its burning source. Space is a great diluter of
EM energy. We would have no night sky if this was not reality. Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
half billion years. More like 5 billion. I can say in that long time
humankind will move the Earth out of the red giant area.Man will have so
much energy that making the Earth'[s orbit larger will be easy
engineering. The Earth will be a true spaceship. No matter what
direction catastrophes come man will move the Earth in a safe direction.
I relate that to "No matter which way the wind blows I set my sails in
the right direction" Bert
John "C"
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Bert, with every post you dig yourself into a deeper hole.
>
Gay Duck, with every date with Art your "A" hole gets wider.
HJ
Phineas T Puddleduck
herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
> Scott Miller The Earth's water surface will be around for more than a
> half billion years. More like 5 billion.
The oceans will not last that long....
Phineas T Puddleduck
herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Did you even read that link?
Phineas T Puddleduck
herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
What?
G=EMC^2 Glazier
half billion years,and like waves coming to shore it will have a white
foam. There is no need for nature to recycle me(reborn) if this is not
reality bert PS CHEERS
G=EMC^2 Glazier
spinning gyro that in the eyes of an 8 year old kid was defying
gravity,that gave me an interest in science. It even gave you an
interest to flame all of my science thoughts. If you don't find my
ideas interesting than you are making a big fool out of yourself.
Keep in mind "Only fools rush in" Bert
Phineas T Puddleduck
herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
No, fools post obviously unscientific nonsense...
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within. Coffee boy to the
rich and famous. Proud owner of the Mop Jockey.
brad...@gmail.com
> Small problem there - the Sun's increased luminosity over the next half
> billion years is likely to evaporate our atmosphere. With no atmosphere
> to keep the water on the surface, no water. Therefore, by the time the
> Sun does become a red giant and char the Earth, it will be charring a
> lifeless world.
A more recent fault will be from the ongoing demise of our
magnetoshpere, as being the cause of Earth losing much of its
atmosphere that's protecting us from the gauntlet of solar and cosmic
energy that's not very DNA/RNA friendly, that is unless we move
underground or under sufficient water.
-
Brad Guth
brad...@gmail.com
> G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
> > Hagar(not to horrible) Yes they have been looking for changes in
> > is I'm using a star the size of the Earth,and going for a total eclipse.
> > That would be a first,and also prove a white dwarf having great
> > gravitation can have a solar system. Bert
>
> A planet in an orbital plane in the line of sight to us to eclipse
> Sirius B would also produce measurable Doppler effect. No such effect
> has been observed in the spectra of Sirius B. That just about rules out
> a Jupiter mass planet orbiting that object.
That's also true, unless the item is somewhat smaller and being the
density of a spent white dwarf core.
The ability to monitor the likes of Sirius isn't good enough for us to
tell what's there to behold, as something of a sizable item is perhaps
Sirius C, that's just too close or somewhat skewed into an orbit
that's just weird enough as to keeping itself out of sight.
-
Brad Guth
brad...@gmail.com
> What if we keep a camera continually on Sirius B,and we see its bright
> point of light blink? We would know it had in its solar system a planet
> the size of Jupiter. We would be observing a total eclipse of a star
> many LY away. I predict this would happen. It would cost little time
> and money. It could get me a Nobel if proven. Bert
That's very true, but easier said than accomplished unless using a 20
DB CCD along with a near-UV and/or UV-a band-pass element, of which
such items do exist, and for best results of getting that camera and
of its mirror optics and band-pass filters outside of our polluted
atmosphere, so that all of those pesky Sirius-A photons don't keep us
so blinded by the light (sort of speak).
We should be able to identify a Venus/Earth class of planet, if any
exist.
BTW; how fast are we moving towards Sirius?
-
Brad Guth
Art Deco
alt.astronomy is the place for you, Brad; just like the saucerheads,
you refuse to consider that your goofy notions are dead wrong.
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen
"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen
Phineas T Puddleduck
Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
> >The ability to monitor the likes of Sirius isn't good enough for us to
> >tell what's there to behold, as something of a sizable item is perhaps
> >Sirius C, that's just too close or somewhat skewed into an orbit
> >that's just weird enough as to keeping itself out of sight.
>
> alt.astronomy is the place for you, Brad; just like the saucerheads,
> you refuse to consider that your goofy notions are dead wrong.
He reminds me of a goldfish in some respects. He's been told several times
there is no concrete evidence for a Sirius C - yet continues to blather on
about it.
He'd make a great Propaganda Minister for Frooty.
John "C"
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> He'd make a great Propaganda Minister for Frooty.
>
A GAY Duck calling someone fruity!?!
HJ
brad...@gmail.com
> When the transition from Star to White Dwarf is complete (through the Red
> Giant stage), the original mass of the star will be greatly reduced, since
> the Red Giant phase blasts most of its outer layers into space, in repeated
> convulsions. It is thus doubtful that the resulting White Dwarf has enough
> gravity to keep the outer planets in a stable orbit. Neptune, Uranus and
> Pluto (and their moons) will probably drift off into the Oort cloud and
>
> - Show quoted text -
I tend to agree, and just where the hell otherwise do you folks think
our extremely unusual moon and that of Venus came from, and remotely
even that of good old proto-Earth?
However, of such other discards by so many other red giant fiascos
having tossed out their outter and/or more robust Venus like planets
along with whatever spare moons, of which obviously those items had to
go somewhere, and that somewhere could just as easily become that of a
tough old white dwarf.
How about a few pesky planets orbiting the likes of Sirius A?
-
Brad Guth
Art Deco
>In article <190420071117538076%er...@caballista.org>,
> Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
>
>> >The ability to monitor the likes of Sirius isn't good enough for us to
>> >tell what's there to behold, as something of a sizable item is perhaps
>> >Sirius C, that's just too close or somewhat skewed into an orbit
>> >that's just weird enough as to keeping itself out of sight.
>>
>> alt.astronomy is the place for you, Brad; just like the saucerheads,
>> you refuse to consider that your goofy notions are dead wrong.
>
>
>He reminds me of a goldfish in some respects. He's been told several times
>there is no concrete evidence for a Sirius C - yet continues to blather on
>about it.
>
>He'd make a great Propaganda Minister for Frooty.
Brad for Kooki Information Minister?
Phineas T Puddleduck
Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
> Phineas T Puddleduck <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <190420071117538076%er...@caballista.org>,
> > Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
> >
> >> >The ability to monitor the likes of Sirius isn't good enough for us to
> >> >tell what's there to behold, as something of a sizable item is perhaps
> >> >Sirius C, that's just too close or somewhat skewed into an orbit
> >> >that's just weird enough as to keeping itself out of sight.
> >>
> >> alt.astronomy is the place for you, Brad; just like the saucerheads,
> >> you refuse to consider that your goofy notions are dead wrong.
> >
> >
> >He reminds me of a goldfish in some respects. He's been told several times
> >there is no concrete evidence for a Sirius C - yet continues to blather on
> >about it.
> >
> >He'd make a great Propaganda Minister for Frooty.
>
> Brad for Kooki Information Minister?
I think so. I mean, compare him to Baghdad Bob, they have (had) the same denial
of reality field generator....
brad...@gmail.com
Of willie-nillie planets wandering in space is not all that likely,
even if having been shot out of a cosmic cannon, as even small
individual or multi-stellar bangs are not actually making that
original matter go away, just making their original gravity somewhat
less focused.
BTW; Earth as of a billion some odd years ago was actually more Venus
like.
On Apr 17, 12:01 pm, "Hagar" <h...@sahm.name> wrote:
> When the transition from Star to White Dwarf is complete (through the Red
> Giant stage), the original mass of the star will be greatly reduced, since
> the Red Giant phase blasts most of its outer layers into space, in repeated
> convulsions. It is thus doubtful that the resulting White Dwarf has enough
> gravity to keep the outer planets in a stable orbit. Neptune, Uranus and
> Pluto (and their moons) will probably drift off into the Oort cloud and
> beyond and may well wind up as true wandering planets in the Kuiper belt.
I tend to agree with Hagar, although just where the hell otherwise do
you folks think our extremely unusual moon and that of Venus came
from, and remotely even that of good old proto-Earth?
However, of such other discards by so many other red giant fiascos
having tossed out their outter and/or more robust Venus like planets,
along with whatever spare moons, of which obviously those items had to
go somewhere, and that somewhere could just as easily become that of a
tough old white dwarf.
How about a few pesky planets orbiting the photon motherload likes of
Art Deco
>In article <190420071141122001%er...@caballista.org>,
> Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
>
>> Phineas T Puddleduck <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <190420071117538076%er...@caballista.org>,
>> > Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >The ability to monitor the likes of Sirius isn't good enough for us to
>> >> >tell what's there to behold, as something of a sizable item is perhaps
>> >> >Sirius C, that's just too close or somewhat skewed into an orbit
>> >> >that's just weird enough as to keeping itself out of sight.
>> >>
>> >> alt.astronomy is the place for you, Brad; just like the saucerheads,
>> >> you refuse to consider that your goofy notions are dead wrong.
>> >
>> >
>> >He reminds me of a goldfish in some respects. He's been told several times
>> >there is no concrete evidence for a Sirius C - yet continues to blather on
>> >about it.
>> >
>> >He'd make a great Propaganda Minister for Frooty.
>>
>> Brad for Kooki Information Minister?
>
>
>I think so. I mean, compare him to Baghdad Bob, they have (had) the same
>denial
>of reality field generator....
OK then. For his steadfast adherence to his notion that a "Sirius C"
exists despite all attempts to educate him (ditto for his moon hoax
rants), I nominate Brad Guth for the Kooki Information Minister.
Seconds?
Phineas T Puddleduck
Meat Plow <me...@meatplow.local> wrote:
> >
> > OK then. For his steadfast adherence to his notion that a "Sirius C"
> > exists despite all attempts to educate him (ditto for his moon hoax
> > rants), I nominate Brad Guth for the Kooki Information Minister.
> >
> > Seconds?
>
> Certainly! Good call.
Thanks. Having someone else second nom's for a.a. means the little saucerheads
can't start their usual crap about me.
We they will, but they'll have to come up with me forgetting a full stop, or an
apostrophe in the wrong place.
John "C"
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> We they will, but they'll have to come up with me forgetting a full stop,
or an
> apostrophe in the wrong place.
>
"We they will"???
wtf, <over>
HJ
brad...@gmail.com
> What if we keep a camera continually on Sirius B,and we see its bright
> point of light blink? We would know it had in its solar system a planet
> the size of Jupiter. We would be observing a total eclipse of a star
> many LY away. I predict this would happen. It would cost little time
> and money. It could get me a Nobel if proven. Bert
Using a healthy DR worth of 20 DB in a resolution capable CCD with a
good set of mirror optics (perhaps 1000X), along with a bandpass
element of say 300 < 400 nm, should work wonders at seeing watever's
associated with Sirius B. As little as one good frame per day should
do the trick of identifying even an Earth/Venus class of planet.
I'd agree or otherwise argue that a good place for the likes of Earth,
Venus and a spare icy moon here or there to be derived from, is in
fact that of a complex Sirius like environment, and of its extensive
Oort cloud. At some unavoidable times in the past, our Oort clouds
had to have gotten into a cosmic road-rage game of chicken, although
I'd tend to favor they were merging in the same direction unless
certain all-knowing folks with our taxpayer bought supercomputers and
via those nifty 3D orbital simulators can say otherwise.
As things stand, Mars is simply interpreting as older than, and Venus
is simply coming across as less old than Earth, and our unusually
massive and nearby moon is just plain old salty and by all other
standards weird. We could be talking +/- a good billion years offset
either way from the age of Earth, as it takes time for the planet's
core worth of thermal energy to expend itself, whereas of a small and
freshwater Mars like orb is where that amount of time is much less
than for a salty Earth or toasty Venus like orb (especially if
surrounded by a fairly robust S8/Co2 atmosphere along with a thick
layer of those unusually high density acidic clouds to boot).
-
Brad Guth
Hagar
"John "C"" <hones...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:ePqdnZ5IW6_SI7rb...@centurytel.net...
HJ, do you understand what that idiot is babbling about ?? I really think
that Fart DickLess' relentless assaults on the Quack's pooper do show the
expected results ... drastic brain cell reduction and neuron calcification.
Coupled with his impulsive habit of flogging his Johnson, he should go over
the edge in no time. The big question is: what will Dickless do then ...
ahh, screw him.
Art Deco
brad...@gmail.com
> What if we keep a camera continually on Sirius B,and we see its bright
> point of light blink? We would know it had in its solar system a planet
> the size of Jupiter. We would be observing a total eclipse of a star
> many LY away. I predict this would happen. It would cost little time
> and money. It could get me a Nobel if proven. Bert
I agree in your "what if" of natural evolution needs those extended
stellar life cycles, such as those afforded by white dwarfs sharing
those extra billions worth of their highly favorable cosmic
happenstance years, plus one hell of a lot of dumb luck. I personally
do not believe Earth by itself is old enough, and I otherwise believe
the likes of Mars is simply a tad bit too old and having been icy dead
to the core for much too long. The only viable option for populating
the relatively newish likes of our salty and extremely wet Earth
within less time, as suggested by our faith-based and otherwise hocus-
pocus leaders, is via ET intelligent design or otherwise derived from
one hell of a beginners lucky crapshoot as tossed by their terrestrial
limited God that apparently a whole lot more Jewish than not.
Using a healthy DR worth of 20 DB in a sufficient pixel resolution
capable CCD format, plus incorporating a good set of mirror optics
(perhaps 1000X worth), along with a bandpass element of say 300 < 400
nm, should work wonders at seeing and thus recording watever's
associated with Sirius B. As little as one good frame per night
should do the trick of eventually identifying even as little as an
Earth/Venus class of planet from the shift in stellar illumination and/
or from its spectrum. Being that it could be a fairly nearby orbit,
getting one frame per minute would obviously be worth doing,
especially since there so little cost involved.
I'd agree or otherwise argue in good faith that a nifty place for the
likes of Earth, Venus and a spare icy moon here or there to be derived
from, is in fact from that of a complex Sirius like environment, and
of its extensive Oort cloud. At some unavoidable times in the past,
our Oort clouds had to have gotten into a cosmic road-rage game of
chicken, although I'd tend to favor they were merging in the same
direction, that is unless certain all-knowing folks with our taxpayer
bought supercomputers and via those nifty 3D orbital simulators can
say otherwise.
As things stand, Mars is simply interpreting as older than, and Venus
is simply coming across as much less old than Earth, and our unusually
massive and nearby moon is just plain old salty and by all other
standards weird. We could be talking +/- a good billion years offset
either way from the age of Earth, as it takes time for the planet's
core worth of thermal energy to expend itself, whereas of a small and
freshwater Mars like orb is where that amount of time is much less
than for a salty Earth or toasty Venus like orb (especially if
surrounded by a fairly robust S8/Co2 atmosphere along with a thick
layer of those unusually high density acidic clouds to boot).
BTW; it takes a good +/- 10 w/m2 in order to make or break a given
ice age. We have nothing within Earth or from our local realm of Sol
that'll accomplish that horrific effort. That leaves us with
something cosmological to deal with, such as for our Sol's orbit of
Sirius.
-
Brad Guth
Phineas T Puddleduck
Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
> Hagar <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
> >"John "C"" <hones...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> >news:ePqdnZ5IW6_SI7rb...@centurytel.net...
> >>
> >> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >>> We they will, but they'll have to come up with me forgetting a full stop,
> >> or an
> >>> apostrophe in the wrong place.
> >>>
> >> "We they will"???
> >>
> >> wtf, <over>
> >>
> >> HJ
> >
> >HJ, do you understand what that idiot is babbling about ?? I really think
> >that Fart DickLess' relentless assaults on the Quack's pooper do show the
> >expected results ... drastic brain cell reduction and neuron calcification.
> >Coupled with his impulsive habit of flogging his Johnson, he should go over
> >the edge in no time. The big question is: what will Dickless do then ...
> >ahh, screw him.
>
> Careful, the Pit Yorkie is likely to bite your hand.
The irresistible slurp is meeting the immovable kook.
Phineas T Puddleduck
brad...@gmail.com wrote:
> BTW; it takes a good +/- 10 w/m2 in order to make or break a given
> ice age. We have nothing within Earth or from our local realm of Sol
> that'll accomplish that horrific effort. That leaves us with
> something cosmological to deal with, such as for our Sol's orbit of
> Sirius.
Sol is NOT ORBITING SIRIUS!
brad...@gmail.com
wrote:
> In article <1177020576.697571.195...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> bradg...@gmail.com wrote:
> > BTW; it takes a good +/- 10 w/m2 in order to make or break a given
> > ice age. We have nothing within Earth or from our local realm of Sol
> > that'll accomplish that horrific effort. That leaves us with
> > something cosmological to deal with, such as for our Sol's orbit of
> > Sirius.
>
> Sol is NOT ORBITING SIRIUS!
You are still not playing this game correctly. You're supposed to lay
whatever hard numbers or at least your best swag on the line, that'll
stipulate as to where Sol is headed, if not headed back towards
Sirius.
Sol is not one of those 'willie nillie' stars running amuck, and much
less with nowhere specifically to go.
If to be merging at 7.6 km/s and of only 1.339 arcseconds/year worth
of proper motion to work with, as such isn't exactly heading away from
us, nor us from Sirius.
-
Brad Guth
Scott Miller
> Hagar(not so horrible)Glad you mentioned there are"wondering planets in
> deep space. White dwarfs going through space for 100 billion years has
> a good chance of capturing them,and giving them the right stuff to
> create life. Reality is "spacetime" is on my side of this discussion.
> Red giant stage is short. Even how much long term damage it does to
> planets 100 million miles from the expanding star going through its red
> giant stage is not really known. Best to keep in mind the Earth
> was a hot glowing red rock 5 billion years ago,and look at it now
> Bert
>
Given an average stellar separation of about 4 to 7 lightyears,
calculate the probability of a close encounter between a white dwarf and
one of these rogue planets. As a further exercise, calculate the
probablity of capture using representative speeds for both bodies.
Scott Miller
> Scott Miller Only a long spacetime will prove an eclipse of the
> trillions of white dwarfs in the universe can never happen. It is only
> very recently that we have the telescopes to observe such events. Bert
>
We were talking Sirius B here. Changing the topic does not get you off
the hook on this one.
Scott Miller
> Scott Miller The Earth's water surface will be around for more than a
> half billion years. More like 5 billion. I can say in that long time
> humankind will move the Earth out of the red giant area.Man will have so
> much energy that making the Earth'[s orbit larger will be easy
> engineering. The Earth will be a true spaceship. No matter what
> direction catastrophes come man will move the Earth in a safe direction.
> I relate that to "No matter which way the wind blows I set my sails in
> the right direction" Bert
>
And so we venture the discussion from a possible scientific one to one
with not basis in reality. Nice change of topic when your back was
placed against the wall. Keep on topic and leave out what might or
might not be done by humans. Before we can "discover and harness" such
vast amounts of energy, we would first need to learn to be globally at
peace with each other. It is not a human trait to do that because even
in the most utopian of situations, breakdowns do occur.
So, the topic is white dwarfs and how they might capture rogue planets
on which life might spontaneously appear once the planet is in orbit. I
asked earlier for the calculation of the probability of such a close
pass, and what the parameters would have to be for capture. I assumed
you were prepared to do those calculations and were not simply waving
your hands around.
Scott Miller
I am not sure what you mean by a white dwarf core. A white dwarf is by
its nature a core, the degenerate core of a dead star, made mostly of
helium or carbon, depending on how far the star got in its fusion processes.
And, our technology is more than up to the task of detecting doppler
shifts of either Sirius A or Sirius B if an additional object was there.
As I mentioned in another post to you, there was a paper reporting this
possibility back in 1994 and they even worked out the orbital path of
such an object if it did in fact exist. There has been nothing
mentioned more recently of such an object, likely because better
measurements have all but ruled it out.
John "C"
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> The irresistible slurp is meeting the immovable kook.
>
That was really close to being funny, Duckie-Boi, but no cigar.
However Art will give you his "cigar" anytime you want one.
HJ
John "C"
"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
news:190420071608383913%er...@caballista.org...
> Hagar <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
> >"John "C"" <hones...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> >news:ePqdnZ5IW6_SI7rb...@centurytel.net...
> >>
> >> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >>> We they will, but they'll have to come up with me forgetting a full
stop,
> >> or an
> >>> apostrophe in the wrong place.
> >>>
> >> "We they will"???
> >>
> >> wtf, <over>
> >>
> >> HJ
> >
> >HJ, do you understand what that idiot is babbling about ?? I really
think
> >that Fart DickLess' relentless assaults on the Quack's pooper do show the
> >expected results ... drastic brain cell reduction and neuron
calcification.
> >Coupled with his impulsive habit of flogging his Johnson, he should go
over
> >the edge in no time. The big question is: what will Dickless do then ...
> >ahh, screw him.
>
> Careful, the Pit Yorkie is likely to bite your hand.
>
Why would I do that, Pedo Deco?
Hagar is a perfect gentleman and is doing a fine job conveying what a total
loser you are to all usenet.
Night...night...bugger-boi,
HJ
brad...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
What part of taboo/nondisclosure do you folks not appreciate?
The very same degree of infomercial damage control has been ongoing
with Venus, and even somewhat with our moon. Christ almighty on
another stick, even that of our moon's L1 has been taboo/nondisclosure
rated, as well as Venus L2(VL2) being off limits.
-
Brad Guth
G=EMC^2 Glazier
going through space and capturing a big rock it would be very slime.
Best to keep in mind there are trillions of white dwarfs,and that
changes the odds in my favor. Must also keep bringing in their
strong gravity,and we know now that not all that circles the Sun came
from the Sun's nebula. Even our Moon could have arrived into our solar
system's space area 6 billion years ago. Its rocks tell this. Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
red giant stage might not hit it. At best it will happen about 5 billion
years from now. I think saying how this future event will effect the
Earth can't be carved in stone. If humankind is still part of the earth
anything can happen. bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
size) Hotter than the Sun (its white),but faint(small size) and has a
very dense mass. Best to keep in mind "temperature" and "mass"(surface
area) determine the luminosity. Throw this in. Not to confuse a "red
giant" with a "super giant"(both are red) Their difference in mass
density shows what it can do in the end. Looking at the
picture of a while dwarf as I type taken by the Hubble. Next picture
I'm looking at is an interacting binary system in which a "red dwarf
star" is orbiting its close companion a 'white dwarf" So close that the
white dwarf has captured material from the red dwarf and put this
material in orbit around it(made a gas disk) that's interesting Hmmm
Could it be making a solar system? Or again in time create to much mass
and have a nuclear explosion? Read that binary stars are most common
being of three stars,but even six star systems have been directed. I
seem very garrulous this morning so I'll keep on typing. Variables can
be created two ways. Star can pulsate,and its surface gets bigger and
smaller,or hopefully in a white dwarfs case it can get eclipsed. The
best system I know of is the famous "Algol system" It is spectacular.
I hope today you Scotty,and all those in Alt Astronomy will look at the
Eskimo nebular,and see how beautiful it is. Bert
Phineas T Puddleduck
herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
> Scott Miller The chances are if you just went with one white dwarf
> going through space and capturing a big rock it would be very slime.
> Best to keep in mind there are trillions of white dwarfs,and that
> changes the odds in my favor.
And the distances between them are phenomenal - again against you.
Greg Neill
> In article <4992-462...@storefull-3336.bay.webtv.net>,
> herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
>
> > Scott Miller The chances are if you just went with one white dwarf
> > going through space and capturing a big rock it would be very slime.
> > Best to keep in mind there are trillions of white dwarfs,and that
> > changes the odds in my favor.
>
>
> And the distances between them are phenomenal - again against you.
Not to mention that a capture in a two-body encounter
is energetically unlikely in the extreme. The bodies
would have to be initially traveling at almost the
same speed in the same direction (total mechanical
energy of the two body system must be negative).
Phineas T Puddleduck
"Greg Neill" <gnei...@VEsympatico.ca> wrote:
Start with the easy ones for Bert ;-)
G=EMC^2 Glazier
makes a lot of them to keep the odds with her Universes would be very
unlikely events,and yet mother nature made more of them than snow flakes
in an endless storm Go figure Bert
Scott Miller
>
> What part of taboo/nondisclosure do you folks not appreciate?
>
> The very same degree of infomercial damage control has been ongoing
> with Venus, and even somewhat with our moon. Christ almighty on
> another stick, even that of our moon's L1 has been taboo/nondisclosure
> rated, as well as Venus L2(VL2) being off limits.
> -
> Brad Guth
>
I have no idea where this is coming from. Please provide verifiable
information that there is some conspiracy in science regarding any of
the topics you now bring to this discusssion (none of which are related
to the topic mentioned).
Scott Miller
No they don't. They are quite similar in makeup to Earth rocks.
Claiming the contrary simply makes you contrary. As the Sun itself is
postulated to be 5 billion years old, having the Moon enter the picture
a billion years earlier makes no difference either.
Scott Miller
How big the Sun is 5 billion years ago is not important to what
condition the Earth is in because of the increase in luminosity of the
Sun over the next 5 billion years. The increase likely to occur based
on current models indicates the Earth's surface will be evacuated of
water as the atmosphere boils away.
That is not carved in stone, and I welcome you to explore the
mathematics of the current models of stellar evolution and find the
flaws in the mathematics used to predict the future luminosity of the Sun.
Scott Miller
As I mentioned in an earlier post - speed is important when forming
planets in a protoplanetary disk. The material coming from the stellar
companion to the white dwarf is not going to exist in that disk long
enough to form into planets as it is going to be falling onto the
surface of the white dwarf as friction within the disk causes material
to loose its orbital velocity. Such a high friction situation with
material migrating to the surface of the white dwarf are not those
condusive to forming planets.
brad...@gmail.com
That's the problem with this anti-think-tank Usenet of theirs, and of
all their insurmountable naysayism. It seem they and of their incest
mutated DNA simply can't "go figure", at least not without totally
imploding upon their own black hole they insist represents that one
and only truth, as based entirely upon their highly conditional laws
of physics and of otherwise having excluded all other evidence that
even potentially rocks their good ship LOLLIPOP. Either that or it's
merely a Jewish thing.
These folks are deathly afraid of their own shadow, so much so that
they wouldn't dare to think outside the box.
-
Brad Guth
Phineas T Puddleduck
brad...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> These folks are deathly afraid of their own shadow, so much so that
> they wouldn't dare to think outside the box.
No - we don't rely on extreme artifacts caused by excessive Photoshopping.
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
brad...@gmail.com
As long as we have enough magnetosphere, we shouldn't have to worry.
Why do you silly folks keep ignoring our rather badly failing
magnetosphere?
Why do you folks have to exclude so much other than mainstream worthy
evidence?
What's wrong with Earth having obtained that pesky moon as of the last
ice age this unusually moon gifted, extremely wet and salty planet
will ever see?
What's wrong with Earth or otherwise a few other nifty items having
arrived from the likes of Sirius?
-
Brad Guth
Phineas T Puddleduck
brad...@gmail.com wrote:
> As long as we have enough magnetosphere, we shouldn't have to worry.
>
> Why do you silly folks keep ignoring our rather badly failing
> magnetosphere?
>
> Why do you folks have to exclude so much other than mainstream worthy
> evidence?
>
> What's wrong with Earth having obtained that pesky moon as of the last
> ice age this unusually moon gifted, extremely wet and salty planet
> will ever see?
>
> What's wrong with Earth or otherwise a few other nifty items having
> arrived from the likes of Sirius?
> -
You have been given several TIMES the proof that lunar tides are in the fossil
record
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/22/9/791
The oldest known tidal rhythmites, identified in the Big Cottonwood Formation,
Utah, are Late to Middle Proterozoic in age (800 Ma to 1.0 Ga), approximately
250 to 400 m.y. older than the previously oldest known tidal rhythmites. Four
tidally forced cycles and one nontidal (seasonal) cycle control lamina
thickness patterns. All of these cycles are recognized in outcrop and core and
include cycles associated with daily, semimonthly (synodic), monthly
(anomalistic), semiyearly, and yearly (seasonal) events. These features form
the oldest geological record of lunar-solar tidal forcing and show that the
middle to late Precambrian lunar- and solar-generated tides behaved in a manner
very similar to that of today. The analysis also suggests that the Big
Cottonwood Formation may have undergone a seasonal climate.
G=EMC^2 Glazier
it gets cooler less. If it gets bigger it will spread more photons
more,and if smaller less. White dwarfs got a lot smaller,but hotter.
So my thinking is a larger rock water planet than the Earth,and in
closer would be the best. All this is not carved in stone. Its all
part of uncertainty. Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
has water underground. Yet the fact is inside of Mars rocks not one
molecule of water has been found in one part in a billion. The Sun's
radiation will not let hydrogen,and oxygen to stay together,and that's a
fact
Haydn Bradley
G=EMC^2 Glazier
forming large rock objects from space dust. They don't fuse
together,and large rocks hitting only make smaller rocks. I have an
idea comets have evolved into asteroids. Tempel1 gives me that idea
Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
Scott Miller
The magnetosphere protects us from charged particles, not from
electromagnetic radiation.
As to the rest of your rambling - what evidence do you provide to
support your claims? And, are they verifiable scientifically?
Scott Miller
Why don't you just say "I can't do the math you require as part of a
scientific proof. I am just waving my hands idly". That would be more
honest than your attempted comeback here.
Scott Miller
And yet there are water vapor clouds seen in the atmosphere of Mars and
evidence of water in its ice caps. Water that seeped underground before
what was left on the surface evaporated away would be kept there by the
overlying rock layers. That is an example of using current knowledge
and extending it to realistic possibilities, a talent you can't even
begin to grasp.
Scott Miller
Why is it you are so wrapped up about gravity and then you deny its
ability to do anything? Rocks hitting other rocks may break them up,
but the material may then recombine to form a larger rock given time and
gravity.
As to comets becoming asteroids, that is not a new thought but one that
has been proposed for some sources of meteor showers that are not
comets. The Draconid meteor shower I believe is from debris in the
orbit of a an asteroid and it is thought to have been a comet in the
past that has lost much of its icy layer.
brad...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
The regular laws of physics (including mass and gravity) apply to my
arguments. Can you say the same?
That pesky magnetosphere, that we're losing our grip upon by roughly -.
05%/year, is worth something more to our survival and that of our
global atmospheric surrounded environment than you're giving it
credit.
Ice core samples have been telling us a lot about Earth's previous ice
age environments, and the proper motions of stellar items has been
telling us another perfectly viable story of what's off-world that
must have had an impact upon our environment, and therefore having
likely contributed to our complex DNA, that's still far from anything
but all it can be.
Just the near miss of an arriving icy proto-moon would have caused
great if not insormountable planetology trauma for that of morphing
our surface environment, whereas the final lithobraking encounter
itself would have been impressive but otherwise survivable for at
least 10% of life on Earth. (I'm thinking 50% of life on Earth was
exterminated/vaporised on the spot, and half of the remaining life was
traumatised past the point of no return, thus leaving perhaps 25% to
restart from scratch)
There are more than enough spare supercomputers and all the necessary
simulation software, that's bought and paid for several times over
with public funds. So, we should run off a few of these simulations
in order to exclude upon whatever's unlikely, as opposed to otherwise
proving out whatever's technically doable.
Are you folks game?
-
Brad Guth
brad...@gmail.com
What are you folks so deathly afraid of this time around?
Why don't you folks run off those fully interactive 3D simulations?
-
Brad Guth
brad...@gmail.com
But they obviously don't care about such fact's, do they. Scott even
tells us our Magnetosphere has no measurable affect upon sustaining
our atmospheric environment, therefore w/o magnetosphere is apparently
of no great loss. Arnt those hocus-pocus conditional laws of physics
special?
-
Brad Guth
Red
whisker-biscuit.com> wrote:
NO,NO,NO! It is politically incorrect to use the word "white" in any
context. To do so will arouse the ire of AL & Jesse.
John "C"
"Red" <Red...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177266173....@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Starlord
it. It's is what's left of a star that was at one time the same as our own
Sun which is a star. And this will not be cross posted either.
--
There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
The Church of Eternity
http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html
AD World
http://www.adworld.netfirms.com/
"Red" <Red...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177266173....@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
G=EMC^2 Glazier
be H^20 ice water,steam,or liquid water.??? To bad gravity does not
pull some of this fairy tale water into the rovers to give its some lab
testing Ohya Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
small dust, rocks and all large rock planets have cooled off. Now its
not like the spacetime when hot rocks use to glow. Now is dry dust,and
powdery rocks,and now they don't fuse(stick together) gravity for small
rocks has no way to fuse them. Rocks hit and form craters and blow the
stuff into space as a fine powder. Not all but 99%. Very cold dry snow
is hard to make into a ball,and dry dust is harder still. Gravity does
play a large part in my thinking,and it wins in the end,but with space
so cold and hits can go much faster than 85,000 mph that can give a
Bucky ball density mass object great force. To much for gravity. Bert
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
Red <Red...@hotmail.com> wrote:
pigment dehanced mass challenged stars
whats the sudden fixation with home repair and security alarms
(clipped)
meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space
major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite
impeach the bastard - the airtight garage has you neo
G=EMC^2 Glazier
They fudge a lot. I go with one of the worlds great mathematician who
said "math is not all that needed(Godel) It has its place,but let the
powerful computers do the math. They do it faster and better. Earth
needs a magnetosphere,and I did know it was getting weaker.. I can think
of a few ways to make sure harmful radiation will not strike the Earth's
surface,and we have the technology to do it at our present time. Bert
brad...@gmail.com
> Guth I use the term hocus pocus a lot. Mathematicians use it the most.
> They fudge a lot. I go with one of the worlds great mathematician who
> powerful computers do the math. They do it faster and better. Earth
> of a few ways to make sure harmful radiation will not strike the Earth's
We've got perhaps a thousand years before that pesky SAA touches all
the way down to the surface, and of its expanding contour covers
nearly a third of Earth as a NO FLY zone. Other than that, there's no
great hurry.
How about a little intelligent design on behalf of rad-hard human DNA,
especially since we're also going to lose a fair portion of our
atmospheric shield along with each of those bad halo CME kind of solar
days to come.
-
Brad Guth
Scott Miller
Let's see - water vapor. That implies that it would be water in a
vaporous form. Observed in HST images of Mars, and other Earth-based
telescopes. Usually seen around the volcanoes and in low areas. I
assumed since you knew everything you knew of these observations.
Scott Miller
Your rambling again. The low density of matter between the planets in
our solar system pretty much negates any new bodies forming in this
solar system from it. That is not the same as when the solar system
formed.
But the fact is that if two of those dust particles, traveling in the
same orbit and at nearly the same speed were to overtake each other,
they would likely stick together. Their relative speed would be very
low even though their absolute speed might be quite high.
Scott Miller
Once again we see a challenge turned down. Typical of the
scientifically illiterate. They feel science ignores them, so science
must be bad, simply because it doens't support their fantasies.
Apparently all you have is your fantasies.
Scott Miller
Geez, now you are fantasizing about what I said. How pathetic. You
really have gone over the edge, haven't you?
brad...@gmail.com
> bradg...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 5:23 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
>
> >>has water underground. Yet the fact is inside of Mars rocks not one
> >>molecule of water has been found in one part in a billion. The Sun's
> >>radiation will not let hydrogen,and oxygen to stay together,and that's a
> >>fact
>
> > But they obviously don't care about such fact's, do they. Scott even
> > tells us our Magnetosphere has no measurable affect upon sustaining
> > our atmospheric environment, therefore w/o magnetosphere is apparently
> > of no great loss. Arnt those hocus-pocus conditional laws of physics
> > special?
>
> Geez, now you are fantasizing about what I said. How pathetic. You
> really have gone over the edge, haven't you?
At least my edge isn't one that's having taken spendy and bloody
decades worth of perpetrated cold wars, or that of using such hocus
pocus based physics that supposedly had our rad hard DNA walking upon
that absolutely nasty moon of ours.
You're such a born-again liar in denial, in that you folks still can't
even say 'anticathode', or much less tell us where the hell Venus was
as of any NASA/Apollo mission, can you.
Why is it that you folks can take whatever out of context and then
summarly distort the jest of whatever, whereas oddly we outsiders
can't return the very same warm and fuzzy favor?
It seems as though, your silly game of fuckology upon all of humanity
and otherwise against protecting or even salvaging our environment
just isn't fair, now is it.
-
Brad Guth
brad...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
You're talking about yourself, arnt you. As otherwise, where the heck
are those supercomputer generated simulations?
-
Brad Guth
brad...@gmail.com
> But the fact is that if two of those dust particles, traveling in the
> same orbit and at nearly the same speed were to overtake each other,
> they would likely stick together. Their relative speed would be very
> low even though their absolute speed might be quite high.
You're blowing smoke out your infomercial spewing ass again, arnt you.
If there was ever a sufficient planet worthy solar system formation
via hot dust, as such it would have taken a few billion extra years,
plus a great deal of extra influx to boot. Our wussy little Sol
doesn't seem to have enough of what it takes, unless a great deal of
dumb luck and hocus-pocus counts, whereas 5 or perhaps even 10 billion
years is simply less than a drop in such a cosmic forming via dust
bucket.
Since we'll need fairly large globs of matter to start off with, let
us run off a few of those pesky simulations, just as having been asked
of you folks for decades.
-
Brad Guth
brad...@gmail.com
> > be H^20 ice water, steam, or liquid water.??? To bad gravity does not
> > pull some of this fairy tale water into the rovers to give its some lab
> > testing Ohya Bert
>
> Let's see - water vapor. That implies that it would be water in a
> vaporous form. Observed in HST images of Mars, and other Earth-based
> telescopes. Usually seen around the volcanoes and in low areas. I
> assumed since you knew everything you knew of these observations.
GOT OBSERVATIONS? (I don't think so, as frozen CO2 doesn't count)
You can't even honestly see Venus for what water it has to offer, such
as within those 28e18 m3 worth of robust though obviously acidic
clouds and haze, plus having a nifty layer of O2 on top of all that.
With you and others of your silly kind, it's all a ruse about Mars,
again and again. How sad.
-
Brad Guth
Art Deco
>As otherwise, where the heck
>are those supercomputer generated simulations?
Still trying to get others to do your own work, Brad?
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
John "C"
"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
news:230420070823222427%er...@caballista.org...
> <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >As otherwise, where the heck
> >are those supercomputer generated simulations?
>
> Still trying to get others to do your own work, Brad?
>
HJ