ESA may go it alone
Ray Vingnutte
This really is bad, if the paranoia in the US have really got
this bad that even ESA is considering Mars rover without the involvement
of NASA then so be it, let ESA and the Russians do it. NASA will surely
lose out in the end.
Twittering One
Ray Vingnutte
Twittering One
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nightbat
nightbat
Correct Officer Ray, not paranoia for war is a sad reality. The
terrorist threat is a real one, check the causalty rates. The ESA is non
program existent presently without NASA subcontracts and money. The Euro
is falling, no European State backing congruency, Russia and Japan also
presently space program subcontractors for Nasa. Money is important to
space programs, no allotable money no programs. Security is paramount
during time of war, joint venture space funding secondary.
carry on,
the nightbat
Ray Vingnutte
I first thought it was bad news but now it's sunk in a bit it may be a
blessing. Maybe just the sort of thing ESA and Russia needs, I'm sure we
have the brains and the technology to do it without NASA. The less money
going from ESA to NASA is fine it just means someone else will get it.
As for war, your country is in Iraq of it's own making and to a lesser
extent us Brits too, our hands are just as dirty in this.
Remember the IRA?, we had bombs going off here for years, you have not
had that, and hopefully never will. They even blew up the British
government in Brighton, the prime minister and the cabinet, but death
was a minimum, we had to deal with it and you people are just going to
have to deal with 9/11. Sure it was a terrible thing but to go down the
road you seem to be going is to me confusing. I don't understand it. The
IRA was well funded(I won't say by whom ;-) and it seems well organised,
Bin Laden is nothing, Al Queda is nothing, it's just a hotch potch of
warring factions squabling amongst themselves and all seem to have
different agendas. How on earth the US would have reacted to something
like a sustained bombing campaign by the IRA is frightning, you would
have probably started world war three.
Sorry about 9/11 but life goes on, if you let the terrorists affect your
way of life and your relations with the rest of the world then the
terrorists have won.
>
> carry on,
> the nightbat
nightbat
Ray Vingnutte wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 06:09:09 -0500
> nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
>
> > nightbat wrote
> >
> > Ray Vingnutte wrote:
> > >
> > > This really is bad, if the paranoia in the US have really got
> > > this bad that even ESA is considering Mars rover without the
> > > involvement of NASA then so be it, let ESA and the Russians do it.
> > > NASA will surely lose out in the end.
> > >
> > > http://www.space.com/spacenews/businessmonday_050530.html
> >
> > nightbat
> >
> > Correct Officer Ray, not paranoia for war is a sad reality.
> > The
> > terrorist threat is a real one, check the causalty rates. The ESA is
> > non program existent presently without NASA subcontracts and money.
> > The Euro is falling, no European State backing congruency, Russia and
> > Japan also presently space program subcontractors for Nasa. Money is
> > important to space programs, no allotable money no programs. Security
> > is paramount during time of war, joint venture space funding
> > secondary.
> >
> > carry on,
> > the nightbat
> Ray
> I first thought it was bad news but now it's sunk in a bit it may be a
> blessing. Maybe just the sort of thing ESA and Russia needs, I'm sure we
> have the brains and the technology to do it without NASA. The less money
> going from ESA to NASA is fine it just means someone else will get it.
nightbat
Low level security transfer or sharing of technology no problem,
in time of war everything is considered risk handling and guarded.
> Ray
> As for war, your country is in Iraq of it's own making and to a lesser
> extent us Brits too, our hands are just as dirty in this.
nightbat
War is dirty but somebody has to do it to hopefully keep the
rest of the peace loving free world clean and safe from it.
> Ray
> Remember the IRA?, we had bombs going off here for years, you have not
> had that, and hopefully never will. They even blew up the British
> government in Brighton, the prime minister and the cabinet, but death
> was a minimum, we had to deal with it and you people are just going to
> have to deal with 9/11. Sure it was a terrible thing but to go down the
> road you seem to be going is to me confusing. I don't understand it. The
> IRA was well funded(I won't say by whom ;-) and it seems well organised,
> Bin Laden is nothing, Al Queda is nothing, it's just a hotch potch of
> warring factions squabling amongst themselves and all seem to have
> different agendas. How on earth the US would have reacted to something
> like a sustained bombing campaign by the IRA is frightning, you would
> have probably started world war three.
nightbat
Clan disputes go on forever, trick is to disperse the clan
mentality through enlightened peaceful education and race population
inter socialization. We have our KKK and you the IRA.
> Ray
> Sorry about 9/11 but life goes on, if you let the terrorists affect your
> way of life and your relations with the rest of the world then the
> terrorists have won.
>
nightbat
Thank you Officer Ray for your thoughtfulness and most are coping
with their mutual effected lives. Remember the terrorist's have declared
war on us not the other way around. All are potentially subject to their
madness just USA and England more so because we intend to stop them.
Until the entire International Community wakes up to the terrorist
threat no true peace can be realized.
Anyway isn't this one of the reasons you wanted and hoped to be taken
off this troubled planet via net reported Darla Starships? The more you
try to make some sense of world affairs the more perplexing they appear?
A Star ride above the madness could be theoretically enlightening and an
opportunity to get a rest from the non positive ground noise instead of
mutually funded space exploration positive one.
carry on,
the nightbat
Ray Vingnutte
nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
Thats fine, but it works both ways too.
>
> > Ray
> > As for war, your country is in Iraq of it's own making and to a
> > lesser extent us Brits too, our hands are just as dirty in this.
>
> nightbat
>
> War is dirty but somebody has to do it to hopefully keep the
> rest of the peace loving free world clean and safe from it.
The rest of the world seems to be doing just fine, sure there are
problems but nothing on the scale your government has you believe.
We have the IRA, Spain has ETA, bit none have gone down the road the US
has.
>
> > Ray
> > Remember the IRA?, we had bombs going off here for years, you have
> > not had that, and hopefully never will. They even blew up the
> > British government in Brighton, the prime minister and the cabinet,
> > but death was a minimum, we had to deal with it and you people are
> > just going to have to deal with 9/11. Sure it was a terrible thing
> > but to go down the road you seem to be going is to me confusing. I
> > don't understand it. The IRA was well funded(I won't say by whom ;-)
> > and it seems well organised, Bin Laden is nothing, Al Queda is
> > nothing, it's just a hotch potch of warring factions squabling
> > amongst themselves and all seem to have different agendas. How on
> > earth the US would have reacted to something like a sustained
> > bombing campaign by the IRA is frightning, you would have probably
> > started world war three.
>
> nightbat
>
> Clan disputes go on forever, trick is to disperse the clan
> mentality through enlightened peaceful education and race population
> inter socialization. We have our KKK and you the IRA.
I don't think the KKK is any comparison to the IRA. Why don't your
government go get Bin Laden, we all know where he is(roughly) in
northern Pakistan and the southern Afghanistan region, don't say no one
has talked, with the price on his head someone has talked by now. I
expect it is because the would the truth would be revealed of what a
pathetic person he really is and what a pathetic lie Al Queda is, i mean
all the while he is at large he can be the dreaded monster that is going
to kill you all can't he, once he's caught the lie is exposed.
>
> > Ray
> > Sorry about 9/11 but life goes on, if you let the terrorists affect
> > your way of life and your relations with the rest of the world then
> > the terrorists have won.
> >
>
> nightbat
>
> Thank you Officer Ray for your thoughtfulness and most are
> coping
> with their mutual effected lives. Remember the terrorist's have
> declared war on us not the other way around. All are potentially
> subject to their madness just USA and England more so because we
> intend to stop them. Until the entire International Community wakes up
> to the terrorist threat no true peace can be realized.
>
> Anyway isn't this one of the reasons you wanted and hoped to be taken
> off this troubled planet via net reported Darla Starships? The more
> you try to make some sense of world affairs the more perplexing they
> appear? A Star ride above the madness could be theoretically
> enlightening and an opportunity to get a rest from the non positive
> ground noise instead of mutually funded space exploration positive
> one.
Yeah to right I want out even more so before the shit hits the fan ;-)
>
> carry on,
> the nightbat
nightbat
nightbat
Yes, you are aware I'm Captain trying Officer Ray, I'll resume
private diplomatic talks now that Darla has mission returned and I'll
keep you posted. Remember, to avoid premature world news reporters I
might have to relay top secret info via private Email and not via public
International net science newsgroups. You are on my list for top
security cleared sharing of higher level data. Please be patient for the
1st Official Contact talks are of a sensitive highest priority.
carry on,
the nightbat
Ray Vingnutte
nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
snip
>
> nightbat
>
> Yes, you are aware I'm Captain trying Officer Ray, I'll resume
> private diplomatic talks now that Darla has mission returned and I'll
> keep you posted. Remember, to avoid premature world news reporters I
> might have to relay top secret info via private Email and not via
> public International net science newsgroups. You are on my list for
> top security cleared sharing of higher level data. Please be patient
> for the 1st Official Contact talks are of a sensitive highest
> priority.
Roger that, you're doing a fine job, said it before and I'll say it
again, credit where it's due I always say.
PS. I'm going back to filtering out many posts, I'll be filtering on
posts that have in the groups line three or more groups so I'll only see
posts posted here and crossposted to ONE other group.
Vingnutte out.
>
> carry on,
> the nightbat
Ray Vingnutte
Charles D. Bohne <sp...@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:32:06 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
> <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
>
> >Sorry about 9/11 but life goes on, if you let the terrorists affect
> >your way of life and your relations with the rest of the world then
> >the terrorists have won.
>
> Absolutely correct.
> C.
>
> P.S.: America is in debts that are higher than the combined
> value of all their assets.
I think they are still borrowing a billion a day just to stay afloat.
Ray Vingnutte
Charles D. Bohne <sp...@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:13:57 -0500, nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com>
> wrote:
>
> >nightbat
> >
> > War is dirty but somebody has to do it to hopefully keep the
> >rest of the peace loving free world clean and safe from it.
>
> There is NO NEED for WAR.
> Nobody asked America to go to war.
> On contrary: millions around the globe asked you to behave
> like a civilized society in the communion of world nations.
> And we still do: stop all your wars and GO HOME - NOW.
Woohooo there's gonna be a fight ;-)
You forgot the abomination that is Quantanamo bay. Torture, humiliation
degredation. If those people are guilty of a crime then charge them
before due process of law. If they are prisoners of war then treat them
as such. If they are neither then let them go.
>
> C.
Double-A
Ironic after Clinton transferred all that missile technology to China,
which made them what they are today!
It is better that the ESA learns to stand on its own two legs anyway,
while NASA relearns how to put its pants on one leg at a time!
Double-A
Double-A
Charles D. Bohne wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:32:06 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
> <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
>
> >Sorry about 9/11 but life goes on, if you let the terrorists affect your
> >way of life and your relations with the rest of the world then the
> >terrorists have won.
>
> Absolutely correct.
> C.
>
> P.S.: America is in debts that are higher than the combined
> value of all their assets.
As are many of its citizens, including yours truly.
Boy when the economy finally collapses, it's really going to collapse!
Double-A
Brad Guth
No wonder this forum that sucks hates your sorry butt.
You're another do-gooder and anti-war freak at that. What good are you
anyway (just kidding)?
~
GUTH Venus township, bridge and ET Park-n-Ride tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
A few other testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Art Deco
Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Another kookfite! Chuckweasel really knows how bring out the best in
them!
--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
<http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/alexa/socks.html>
<http://www.petitmorte.net/cujo/kazoo/kazoo.html>
"We don't live on "islands". The name of my home-world is Manda."
-- Charles D. "Chuckweasel" Bohne
JATO jatobservatory.org>
ITAR is not new and has been in place for years. If other countries don't
want to adhere to the US conditions then they don't get access to our
technology. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Double-A
Charles D. Bohne wrote:
> On 1 Jun 2005 11:34:03 -0700, "Double-A" <doub...@hush.ai> wrote:
>
> >> P.S.: America is in debts that are higher than the combined
> >> value of all their assets.
> >
> >
> >As are many of its citizens, including yours truly.
> >
> Sorry to hear that, Double-A.
>
> Most people in this country own a couple of 10thousand
> SwissFranks (CHF) even when they apply for social aid.
>
> >Boy when the economy finally collapses, it's really going to collapse!
> >
> It will - it's just a matter of "when" because Mr.Greenspan and the CFR
> will make sure it has the major impact on ALL nations - globally.
>
> >Double-A
>
> C.
Here in U.S. we are constantly showered with credit card applications
in the mail. If you have just a few years of good credit behind you,
they will generally approve your application. And you can get lines of
credit from many different banks. In the beginning the will offer you
a generous line of credit an interest rate of perhaps 10 percent. But
later, when owe enough money that you cannot immediately pay it back,
they can increase your interest to 25 percent. This can be triggered
by things beyond your control, such as the Post Office delivering a
payment late. This will then be reported to the credit bureaus and all
your banks have the opportunity to raise your interest. But it also
happens because the bank reassesses the credit worthiness of its
accounts in general, or the account or bank is bought out by another
bank with stricter policies. Of course, if you don't like the new
terms, you can just pay it off. Right?
These policies put many people into holes they cannot climb out of.
The banks show great paper profits on their books because of all these
high interest rates, but how much of their extended loan balance has
become ultimately uncollectible? Any major downturn in the economy
could lead to many bank failures.
And the fact that our big brother, the government, is setting the bad
example of running on borrowed money does not tend to give us
responsible attitudes.
Double-A
Ray Vingnutte
thats fine, you go it alone, you will do ESA and Russia and others a big
favour in the long run.
Ray Vingnutte
"Double-A" <doub...@hush.ai> wrote:
It's pretty much similar here with regard to easy borrowing on plastic
and how it's thrown at you as though the banks are doing you a favour.
>
> And the fact that our big brother, the government, is setting the bad
> example of running on borrowed money does not tend to give us
> responsible attitudes.
House prices here have been high for some time, when it falls as it
surely will there's gonna be some headaches ;-)
>
> Double-A
>
Ray Vingnutte
You will get all those billions spent on Iraq back eventually
and probably some extra too now that you have control of Iraq oil
supplies, and the UK cut too ;-)
>
> Double-A
>
G=EMC^2 Glazier
can create. NASA is washed up. The Discovery won't fly on July 13
NASA knows that is a very tricky time weather wise,and that is the
reason it was chosen. Right now we are getting continuos rain,and it is
expected to last another week. Continuos rain is more typical for Boston
weather,not Orlando (go figure) My theory is the Earth's ocean's have
warmed because its inner heat is venting up from the ocean floor,and our
surface volcanoes are showing us this. Best to keep in mind how much
further down the ocean floor is. Deep water can hid these heat vents.
Water is a good conductor of heat. The ice caps are getting thinner.
Florida lakes are much to warm. Nature is raising its flame,and
humankind is adding insulation to the atmosphere making sure the night
time stays warm Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
these religious fanatics terrorists. We use the word terrorists,but we
know their true source of identity. Last week they would have liked to
kill the person that flushed one of their bible books down the
toilet.Hmmmm that has to tell you something. We fell on our knees
prying that they would forgive us. Hmmmm that has to tell you something.
The way things are with these religious nuts blowing themselves up in
the name of their God,and killing woman and children I would see that no
cars are on the roads,and they can't wear sheets. Why should they drive
around when they see to it that our flying around can come to a stop.
To sum it up the only way humankind can get rid of its religious plague
is with about 3,000 H-bombs Bert
Ray Vingnutte
Sounds quite nice over there, lots of rain, hope it's cool too.
Have a read of this, I wonder if the end of the shuttle is closer than
we think, looks like alternatives may be needed and quickly ;-)
http://www.space.com/news/ft_050601_gao_shuttle.html
>
Double-A
Why Bert, you're beginning to sound like Bob Kolker over in
sci.physics: a nuclear solution to the Muslim problem! Stop reading
his stuff. It's making you turn violent!
Double-A
Brad Guth
course you've still got absolutely nothing that's the least bit
on-topic.
How about a little something as to the MI6/NSA spooks that are running
this NASA/ESA puppet show?
~
My GUTH Venus township, bridge and ET Park-n-Ride tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
A few other hot & testy topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
[[The Commentator]]
What the hell are you ranting about now, k00k?
Art Deco
G=EMC^2 Glazier
disgusted. I see no end in Iraq,Iran,N, Korea,and China We
are out numbered,and one man can theoretically kill hundreds. The most
deadly weapon the Japs had in WW2 was the kamikaze pilot. The trade
center was destroyed by two planes. How many were killed at the
pentagon? The only balance we have is the H-bomb. Only
Darla,or the right time to use the H-bomb can save the free world Bert
JATO jatobservatory.org>
<rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:05:41 GMT
>JATO <jato@<No-Canned-Ham>jatobservatory.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:45:31 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
>> <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >This really is bad, if the paranoia in the US have really got
>> >this bad that even ESA is considering Mars rover without the
>> >involvement of NASA then so be it, let ESA and the Russians do it.
>> >NASA will surely lose out in the end.
>> >
>> >
>> >http://www.space.com/spacenews/businessmonday_050530.html
>>
>>
>> ITAR is not new and has been in place for years. If other countries
>> don't want to adhere to the US conditions then they don't get access
>> to our technology. I don't see anything wrong with that.
>
>thats fine, you go it alone, you will do ESA and Russia and others a big
>favour in the long run.
>
>
OK
Raving Loonie
Are PDP-11 computers still on the restricted technology list ?
Raving Loonie
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:05:41 GMT
> JATO <jato@<No-Canned-Ham>jatobservatory.org> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:45:31 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
> > <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >This really is bad, if the paranoia in the US have really got
> > >this bad that even ESA is considering Mars rover without the
> > >involvement of NASA then so be it, let ESA and the Russians do it.
> > >NASA will surely lose out in the end.
> > >
> > >
> > >http://www.space.com/spacenews/businessmonday_050530.html
Does the tech transfer ban include 8" floppies ?
> > ITAR is not new and has been in place for years. If other countries
> > don't want to adhere to the US conditions then they don't get access
> > to our technology. I don't see anything wrong with that.
>
> thats fine, you go it alone, you will do ESA and Russia and others a big
> favour in the long run.
"For Old Parts, NASA Boldly Goes . . . on eBay"
see http://tinyurl.com/clm6r for NYT article
RL
Ray Vingnutte
"Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, national security, can't answer that, and you may be tortured for
even asking it ;-)
>
Ray Vingnutte
"Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ray Vingnutte wrote:
> > On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:05:41 GMT
> > JATO <jato@<No-Canned-Ham>jatobservatory.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:45:31 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
> > > <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >This really is bad, if the paranoia in the US have really got
> > > >this bad that even ESA is considering Mars rover without the
> > > >involvement of NASA then so be it, let ESA and the Russians do
> > > >it. NASA will surely lose out in the end.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >http://www.space.com/spacenews/businessmonday_050530.html
>
>
> Does the tech transfer ban include 8" floppies ?
Er, sorry national security, can't comment, I don't want to end up in
quantanamo being tortured thank you.
>
>
> > > ITAR is not new and has been in place for years. If other
> > > countries don't want to adhere to the US conditions then they
> > > don't get access to our technology. I don't see anything wrong
> > > with that.
> >
> > thats fine, you go it alone, you will do ESA and Russia and others a
> > big favour in the long run.
>
> "For Old Parts, NASA Boldly Goes . . . on eBay"
>
> see http://tinyurl.com/clm6r for NYT article
You have to laugh, but I didn't really I'm just saying I did, national
security you see ;-)
>
> RL
>
Ray Vingnutte
JATO <jato@<No-Canned-Ham>jatobservatory.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:26:38 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
> <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:05:41 GMT
> >JATO <jato@<No-Canned-Ham>jatobservatory.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:45:31 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
> >> <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >This really is bad, if the paranoia in the US have really got
> >> >this bad that even ESA is considering Mars rover without the
> >> >involvement of NASA then so be it, let ESA and the Russians do it.
> >> >NASA will surely lose out in the end.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >http://www.space.com/spacenews/businessmonday_050530.html
> >>
> >>
> >> ITAR is not new and has been in place for years. If other countries
> >> don't want to adhere to the US conditions then they don't get
> >access> to our technology. I don't see anything wrong with that.
> >
> >thats fine, you go it alone, you will do ESA and Russia and others a
> >big favour in the long run.
> >
> >
>
> OK
Well you be carefull what you post now, I wouldn't want you to break any
homeland security laws by posting something that could be seen as
information possibly usefull to or aiding a terrorist.
Watch out, Bin Laden's about....He's coming to get you....Spook.
Raving Loonie
I'm not laughing.
Are PDP-11 computers still on the restricted technology list?
Is it illegal to throw them in the garbage ?
I am concerned.
Ray Vingnutte
"Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote:
Be very very concerned, posting something that to us is innocent and
harmless could be construed by the paranoid US as something very
dangerous to their very existence.
Be as free as you want to the rest of the world, but do be carefull when
it comes to the US. I have every confidence that my government(UK) would
willingly hand me over to be tortured by the US if I say something that
is likely now against some US law.
Even talking about NASA now may be illegal if you are posting from
within the US to destinations and people outside the US, such as here on
a newsgroup, one slip, one wrong word and zap, your're being tortured.
Watch out, Bin Ladens about.....
>
Double-A
Ray Vingnutte wrote:
[snip]
> Even talking about NASA now may be illegal if you are posting from
> within the US to destinations and people outside the US, such as here on
> a newsgroup, one slip, one wrong word and zap, your're being tortured.
Boy is Bert in trouble!
Double-A
Raving Loonie
> On 2 Jun 2005 23:03:42 -0700
> "Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Raving Loonie wrote:
> > > JATO wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:26:38 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
> > > > <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:05:41 GMT
> > > > >JATO <jato@<No-Canned-Ham>jatobservatory.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:45:31 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
> > > > >> <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
[ CENSORED ]
> > Is it illegal to throw them in the garbage ?
> >
> > I am concerned.
>
> Be very very concerned, posting something that to us is innocent and
> harmless could be construed by the paranoid US as something very
> dangerous to their very existence.
>
> Be as free as you want to the rest of the world, but do be carefull when
> it comes to the US. I have every confidence that my government(UK) would
> willingly hand me over to be tortured by the US if I say something that
> is likely now against some US law.
>
> Even talking about NASA now may be illegal if you are posting from
> within the US to destinations and people outside the US, such as here on
> a newsgroup, one slip, one wrong word and zap, your're being tortured.
>
> Watch out, Bin Ladens about.....
... with all this concern, should I enquire about one of these ?
see ~~~~~~> http://tinyurl.com/2djxy
Ray Vingnutte
"Double-A" <doub...@hush.ai> wrote:
Yeah well, there's no Geneva convention or human rights to protect you,
probably won't even be allowed legal representation.
Bert, if they torture your testicles I'm really sorry mate ;-)
>
> Double-A
>
Ray Vingnutte
"Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why?, what are you afraid of?, are you up to no good?, are you fearing a
terrorist attack?, do you know of an impending terrorist attack?, I
think we need to talk to you further sir. Just put your testicles in
this vice please and we will.....aaaaaarrrrrggggghhh
>
Raving Loonie
It is you, sir who are ' misinformed '.
Have you not noticed ?
You are trapped in a time-warp. ... existing on the other side of the
international date-line as I write this very post.
Raving Loonie Jun 3, 2:32 am
Ray Vingnutte wrote:
> On 2 Jun 2005 23:03:42 -0700
> "Raving Loonie" <raving.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
The conspiracy is quite real !
Raving Loonie
I would also wish to point out that this 'item' has a classic millitary
oxymoron applied to it ...
"This is not only an innovative piece of military equipment, but also
an incredible weapon against natural disasters" General Erik Shinseki,
Chief of Staff of the United States Army, Washington D.C.
the Raving Loonie
Ray Vingnutte
"Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote:
Please stop it Raving, you are scaring me. You post about equipment that
could be usefull to NASA, then you post about a bunker, I think there is
more to these questions than you are letting on, you seem a very dodgy
character to be asking those sort of questions.
Obviously I'm joking, while I still can ;-)
But this is how paranoia gets you, it starts off pretty harmless then
before you know it there are bumps and spooks and enemies everywhere.
And remember, these posts are entering the US, you have been warned.
Watch out, Bin Ladens about...
>
Raving Loonie
Bert could try one of these http://tinyurl.com/32322 for a quick, safe
getaway.
.... I wonder what they could do with a surplus Atlas 3 Centaur ?
RL
Ray Vingnutte
"Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Double-A wrote:
> > Ray Vingnutte wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Even talking about NASA now may be illegal if you are posting from
> > > within the US to destinations and people outside the US, such as
> > > here on a newsgroup, one slip, one wrong word and zap, your're
> > > being tortured.
> >
> >
> > Boy is Bert in trouble!
> >
> > Double-A
>
> Bert could try one of these http://tinyurl.com/32322 for a quick,
> safe getaway.
That is an amazing idea, not sure I would like the plane turning with
the wind direction though, what of strong winds or a hurrican, could be
nauseating spinning round like that.
As for planning permission that would raise some eyebrows at the
council.
Raving Loonie
Wouldn't it make for the perfect eccentric English home ?
Ray Vingnutte
"Raving Loonie" <raving...@gmail.com> wrote:
Certainly would, you could turn it into a money spinner(no pun intended)
too, hotel perhaps, bed and breakfast.
>
Raving Loonie
It would seem that WH Clark
has some first hand experience with corruption and NASA culture
... see http://www.lulu.com/content/131483
RL
nightbat
"Charles D. Bohne" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:13:57 -0500, nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com>
> wrote:
>
> >nightbat
> >
> > War is dirty but somebody has to do it to hopefully keep the
> >rest of the peace loving free world clean and safe from it.
>
> There is NO NEED for WAR.
> Nobody asked America to go to war.
> On contrary: millions around the globe asked you to behave
> like a civilized society in the communion of world nations.
> And we still do: stop all your wars and GO HOME - NOW.
>
> C.
nightbat
Officer Bohne, and number #1 net Officer in Command, in the
course of human history, powerful united friends in high and low places
are always helpful and good against concerted dangerous organized or
single determined negative aggressive actions of single or directed
collective enemies. You say, there is no need for war like an unchecked
uncontrolled raging fire amongst intelligent advanced or just peace
loving folks. Potential predator criminal reality, organized or not,
sadly is part of every society where humans are concerned. Ignoring it
places all in danger against criminal types prone to individual or
united collective negative acts and taking advantage of all peaceful
types in general. Yes, how we would better be able to apply wasted
resources of criminal housing and care of jailed inmates and abolished
need for counter war effects to constructive humanity and society ends.
But the reality is that there are collective or individuals not
interested in astronomy, as you know trolls and such and at anytime bent
on depriving you of net speech liberty, peace, and happiness, for their
own personal deluded agendas, real or imagined. Are the net Darla Star
folks far advanced as they state they are and reportedly afraid of us
collectively, yes, because of the uncertainty of Star Race stated long
observed human multi race or individual positive or negative potential
nature and behavior. Do you ever remember doing one foolish regrettable
negative thing in your life time, ever? That in a way would or could be
disastrous aboard a tightly run all systems and crew member critically
inter-dependent Star Ship. On a larger social scale it has been proven
by attempt at placating or ignoring criminal individual single or
collective abuse of power and public displayed disrespect for civil law
only leads to potential inter race social deterioration, holocaust, war,
and mass scale death. Full blown war is a negative symptom to particular
peaceful collective diplomatic failed stop of violating power head
offending race or in question negative organization attempts to aggress
and united community peaceful failed effort to prevent said in question
body's disregard of use of power, freedom suppression subjugation
efforts, or continued endangering another sovereignty or all. Always
civil offender against defender but no true winners ever, from a huge
potential loss of life including use up of limited critical resources
frame. True, a warring divided house can never stand, but a peace loving
collective house that is asleep like in a fire will quickly be overrun
if it does not contain threat of criminal individual or collective abuse
of power imposing agenda violator lacking respect for human dignity and
continued hate mongering. The well known war referenced all hell
breaking loose low IQ mob like acting, grudge holding, immature
individual or clannish, you're with me or against me mentality. Unless
you have experienced it and intelligently understand its anytime
potentially erupting and astutely guard against and contain it, like a
fire, heaven help you.
" By the time you potentially hear the rumble of approaching war, it's
too late to stop it. " " Your job, all our jobs, is therefore to
diplomatically try to prevent it from happening, by united suppressing
the one that potentially has endangered all of us, caused it. " " May
your continued efforts at Earth peace always be a fruitful one. "
alt.astronomy poster, the one and only net Captain General of entire
Earth Darla Star Race United Federation Fleet Liaison Elect 1st Official
Contact Day Officer the nightbat
" We didn't start the fire, but we tried to stop it. " American music
author, artist, and performer Billy Joel
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Joel
" Only You can prevent forest fires " Smokey the Bear American fire
prevention safety character
See Also:
http://www.smokeybear.com/
About war:
http://www.multcolib.org/homework/warwldhc.html
carry on,
the nightbat
nightbat
Ray Vingnutte wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:56:46 +0200
> Charles D. Bohne <sp...@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:32:06 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
> > <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >Sorry about 9/11 but life goes on, if you let the terrorists affect
> > >your way of life and your relations with the rest of the world then
> > >the terrorists have won.
> >
> > Absolutely correct.
> > C.
> >
> > P.S.: America is in debts that are higher than the combined
> > value of all their assets.
>
> I think they are still borrowing a billion a day just to stay afloat.
nightbat
Don't worry Earth English Officers elect, one American Yankee
Captain nightbat mutually acquired honorable Galactic Council Darla
Starship will more then make up for it and be well worth it. Common on
fellows, they have net reported already having named a Starship after
me, and the discretionary invited scientific view and potential reserved
wealth and power from above should be priceless.
carry on,
the nightbat
Ray Vingnutte
It can't come soon enough, you know the heat may be rising Nightbat and
you may find it increasingly difficult to keep control.
As for wealth and power gain I'm not really interested, as for the alien
beauty star maidens again I'm not really interested, I'm not gay but
just find it all too complicated and too time consuming, and then theres
all the nagging. Any star maidens come my way I'll gladly forward them
onto you.
Vingnutte out.
>
> carry on,
> the nightbat
nightbat
Ray Vingnutte wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:00:39 +0200
> Charles D. Bohne <sp...@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 07:13:57 -0500, nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >nightbat
> > >
> > > War is dirty but somebody has to do it to hopefully keep the
> > >rest of the peace loving free world clean and safe from it.
> > Bohne
> > There is NO NEED for WAR.
> > Nobody asked America to go to war.
> > On contrary: millions around the globe asked you to behave
> > like a civilized society in the communion of world nations.
> > And we still do: stop all your wars and GO HOME - NOW.
> >
> > C.
> Ray
> Woohooo there's gonna be a fight ;-)
>
> You forgot the abomination that is Quantanamo bay. Torture, humiliation
> degredation. If those people are guilty of a crime then charge them
> before due process of law. If they are prisoners of war then treat them
> as such. If they are neither then let them go.
>
nightbat
We are at duty station home already remember Earth Science
Officers, waiting to be picked up by a net purported kinder more
benevolent far advanced Darla Star Race. Terrorist's on the world scene
I understand are not considered customary military soldiers but
organized criminals posing behind and using religious non peaceful
twisted dogma. Please don't get lost in the apparent never ending Earth
political and pseudo bent agenda religious ground wars, for the stars
beckon us upward and onward, leave all your cares behind. Ha, ha, ha,
your talking so much about war, what, does it make you want to start one
on the net too? Shush, you might confirm their observing apprehensions
and frighten the potential visiting Darla Star Race away, come on. All
goal loyalty trying to secure a Starship belongs to the protective
always concerned about your human welfare Captain. Please remember your
stations, duty, and obligations to science, not petty Earth inhabitant
can't get along disputes, for we will hopefully soon be above all that,
maybe.
carry on,
the nightbat
nightbat
Ray Vingnutte wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:23:28 -0500
> nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
>
> snip
>
> >
> > nightbat
> >
> > Yes, you are aware I'm Captain trying Officer Ray, I'll resume
> > private diplomatic talks now that Darla has mission returned and I'll
> > keep you posted. Remember, to avoid premature world news reporters I
> > might have to relay top secret info via private Email and not via
> > public International net science newsgroups. You are on my list for
> > top security cleared sharing of higher level data. Please be patient
> > for the 1st Official Contact talks are of a sensitive highest
> > priority.
> >
> > carry on,
> > the nightbat
> Ray
> Roger that, you're doing a fine job, said it before and I'll say it
> again, credit where it's due I always say.
>
> PS. I'm going back to filtering out many posts, I'll be filtering on
> posts that have in the groups line three or more groups so I'll only see
> posts posted here and crossposted to ONE other group.
>
> Vingnutte out.
>
nightbat
Message received, roger, over and out.
the nightbat
Ray Vingnutte
If they are criminals then charge them appropriately and put them before
a civilian court of law with full legal representation. That is all the
world would like to see you do.
All the while you see quantanamo bay as a perfectly alright place to
exist then you cannot be considered a free democratic society that
honours civil liberties and due process of law, both domestic law and
international law.
>
> carry on,
> the nightbat
Ray Vingnutte
Charles D. Bohne <sp...@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:47:22 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
> <rvmo...@againnospam.our.uk> wrote:
>
> >Any star maidens come my way I'll gladly forward them
> >onto you.
> >
> >Vingnutte out.
>
> Hear, hear! Now that are the words of a truly wise man!
Well you can only take so much nagging can't you, maybe I was a little
quick on the power and wealth thing, perhaps just a little then, not
that I would enjoy it of course.
> C.
G=EMC^2 Glazier
thinner I forgot to add this question. Can an ice cube melt on just one
side? I know ice water will stay at 32 till the last piece of ice has
melted. I think it is time to protect the ice at the South pole. I
know ice will stay a solid at 32,but will not turn to ice at 32,and that
begs the question how much colder do you need to kick start it so the
molecules will start to form crystals? Bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
above all laws made by humankind.They don't give a hoot about
constitutional laws. Its money all the way down. You are right Double
-A I( do have to worry about Pee-Air's jewels. It is really all I have
worth protecting. If NASA does send a New Jersey sharp shooter to shut
me let it be known we both stood at attention,and my last thought before
hitting the ground was we did it for our country... What Nixon tried
to do and failed(thanks to the Washington post) NASA is doing now,and
succeeding. Bert + Pee-Air can't do it alone
G=EMC^2 Glazier
out to get me my only hope is Darla will hid me aboard her space craft.
I know she would do this for me because of our mutual love for each
other. bert
G=EMC^2 Glazier
used as a plane you did not get even a bag of peanuts Biggest draw back
is where do you flush the toilets? When in the air the toilets
flushed over New Jersey when flying in the states,and flushed over Iraq
when over seas. Bert
Double-A
Then maybe Bert wasn't so far off base after all when he made reference
to "crack pipes" on the Shuttle!
Ha! Ha!
Double-A
Double-A
You know, when they can put the label of "illegal combatant" on you,
then you have no rights at all under international law. You are like
any soldier caught behind enemy lines without his uniform on: just
fodder for the firing squad or the hangman's noose. Hardly any of the
local combatants in Afghanistan were wearing military uniforms, so
"illegal combatants" were easy pickings. You might have noticed that
one of the first things the U.S. did when they allied themselves with
the Northern Alliance was to give them all spiffy new uniforms to
protect their status under international law.
Keeping the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba keeps them outside the
jusisdictions of U.S. courts that would grant them some human and
Constitutional rights if they had the chance.
> All the while you see quantanamo bay as a perfectly alright place to
> exist then you cannot be considered a free democratic society that
> honours civil liberties and due process of law, both domestic law and
> international law.
Well I suppose I am quite cynical, but I regard the above concepts as
merely party line stuff anyway.
Double-A
Double-A
G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
> Hi Ray When answering your post,and I mentioned ice caps getting
> thinner I forgot to add this question. Can an ice cube melt on just one
> side?
Turn your blow dryer on one side of an ice cube and see what happens!
> I know ice water will stay at 32 till the last piece of ice has
> melted. I think it is time to protect the ice at the South pole.
We could designate it an endangered species!
> I
> know ice will stay a solid at 32,but will not turn to ice at 32,and that
> begs the question how much colder do you need to kick start it so the
> molecules will start to form crystals? Bert
31 works pretty well. In the place I used to live, we would get into a
weather pattern where there would be a constant drizzle of rain coming
in form the west, while a constant ground wind kept blowing from the
east at about 31 degrees. This could last for days! Ice would
continually build up thicker and thicker on everything. After a while
you would start hearing cracking sounds as the trees started breaking
down from the weight. Power lines would break too and electric power
would be gone for the duration. Had to have heating that was not
dependant on electricity.
Double-A
Ray Vingnutte
I suppose you could melt one side only, Double A's suggestion of a blow
dryer with maybe some way of preventing the warm air circulating to any
other surface.
As for the ice caps, not sure what we can do if they are melting, a
normal phase that has no doubt happened before. I would think there is
very little we could do, it would mean somehow changing the whole cycle
of weather on the planet and I have no idea how we could do that.
>
Ray Vingnutte
"Double-A" <doub...@hush.ai> wrote:
I don't see how they can be outside the law, they are in the
care(laughable) of the US government, regardless of location.
Therefor not only do you have a duty to treat those people with respect
it certainly does not give you the right to torture and humiliate them
and such behaviour is almost certainly a criminal offence, if not under
your domestic laws then certainly under international law.
Someone here(UK) I think it was once said you can judge a society by the
way it treats it's prisoners. Well maybe so or maybe not, but whichever
way you look at it what you are doing in Guantanamo is without doubt
wrong and a blot on your world reputation.
How you can possibly criticise other countries for human rights abuses
now is going to be interesting to see.
>
>
> > All the while you see quantanamo bay as a perfectly alright place to
> > exist then you cannot be considered a free democratic society that
> > honours civil liberties and due process of law, both domestic law
> > and international law.
>
> Well I suppose I am quite cynical, but I regard the above concepts as
> merely party line stuff anyway.
My government tried locking people up on the say so of a politician, in
this instance the home secretary, without due process of law, much like
you do in Gauntanamo, excpet we were not torturing these people they
were in a normal criminal prison. The Law Lords ruled this to be illegal
and the people had to be released, and rightly so.
Once you go down the road of allowing the politicians to decide who
should be locked up rather than the courts then you know your society is
on a very very slippery slope. It didn't work here, but it is working in
your country right now with Guantanamo, don't say it's in Cuba and not
your problem, it is your problem and it is your doing.
>
> Double-A
>
Ray Vingnutte
Heh, Well what can I say, no one could ever accuse you Bert of not
speaking your mind, I like that, thats good. As long as you can stand
tall and erect and speak your mind then things can't be all bad can they
;-)
>
Double-A
I think the problem is that there is no U.S. court that has been
assigned jurisdiction over Guantanamo. The Supreme Court would have
jurisdiction, but the problem is how to get a case to them, since most
cases have to be initiated in a lower court first. The Bush
administration is making full use of this loophole in order to avoid
interference with whatever they're doing in Guantanamo. As "illegal
combatants", the prisoners are afforded no protection under the Geneva
Convention. Of course outright torture is I think prohibited by an
international treaty, if the U.S. ever signed it. The U.S. has coyly
refused to sign some of those treaties, such as the one against using
chemical weapons.
Isn't that ironic! After all the bitching about Saddam using chemical
weapons, the U.S. has never agreed not to use them! In fact there is a
dangerous, rusting stockpile of them not so far from where I live left
over from WWII times, and the government can't figure out what to do
with them.
But don't think for a minute that I, or many other Americans, like
what's going on at Guantanamo.
Double-A
Art Deco
> But the reality is that there are collective or individuals not
> interested in astronomy, as you know trolls and such and at anytime bent
> on depriving you of net speech liberty, peace, and happiness, for their
> own personal deluded agendas, real or imagined.
As usual, this is all wrong. Who exactly is trying to deprive you of
"net speech liberty, peace, and happiness, for their own personal
deluded agendas, real or imagined," nightbat? Your ravings are
entertaining.
--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
<http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/alexa/socks.html>
<http://www.petitmorte.net/cujo/kazoo/kazoo.html>
"We don't live on "islands". The name of my home-world is Manda."
-- Charles D. "Chuckweasel" Bohne
Ray Vingnutte
"Double-A" <doub...@hush.ai> wrote:
Thats reassuring, I would hate to think that the majority would consider
it ok.
It would be interesting to see what would happen now if an extradition
order were placed from the US to the UK for a UK or non UK person, as we
don't, or shouldn't anyway, hand over any one to a country where the
individual concerned may suffer torture. I would like to think that a UK
court would not allow such an extradition request.
Had to snip a lot out as news server kept complaing about too many quoted lines.
>
> Double-A
>
Double-A
The US is already having trouble extraditing people from many countries
when they might face the death penalty here.
Double-A
nightbat
Art Deco wrote:
>
> nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
>
> > But the reality is that there are collective or individuals not
> > interested in astronomy, as you know trolls and such and at anytime bent
> > on depriving you of net speech liberty, peace, and happiness, for their
> > own personal deluded agendas, real or imagined.
> Art Deco
> As usual, this is all wrong.
nightbat
Thank you Art for finally agreeing with the Captain because
folks who act like trolls on the net as usual are all wrong. For
instance at many times you and net boy friends negative like going after
Officer Bohne for his dedication to science research and providing
correlating net link proper info sources yet which perhaps are demeaning
to those who may not be able to understand, remain on, or keep up with
pertinent deep scientific topics.
> Art Deco
> Who exactly is trying to deprive you of
> "net speech liberty, peace, and happiness, for their own personal
> deluded agendas, real or imagined," nightbat? Your ravings are
> entertaining.
nightbat
As per response post to you the above referenced negative term
troll is applied to someone whom net resultantly acts as one. Why,
because they otherwise show a certain level of good intelligence and
ability but choose to lower themselves to constant petty childish
teasing and net beguiling. The true anti social trolls however that I
originally subject referred to and was addressing and in which you
inquired about were reference net trolls including terrorists that use
any means to disrupt the course of daily world wide internet activity.
The kind that even went so far and planned and brought down the World
Trade Center twin towers. That try breaking into personal, education,
military, and business computers or send viruses, worms, non requested
spying shareware programs, repetitive pop ups, religious repetitive
posts. Unsolicited E-mail, Trojan attachments, and general malaise to
advertise, spy on, obstruct, or push their personal or collective
agendas. Including the mindless troll twisted net accessing terrorists
that deprived all those free folks in the hijacked American airlines,
pre 9/11 Towers, and Pentagon, of their posting net speech liberty,
peace, and happiness, because they viewed them as an affront and World
symbols to how they think people should only complying think or post.
Truth and freedom is dangerous to petty dogmatic minds, and the net
opens the possibility to let some honest alternate respectful opinion
light in. But hateful trolls view it as an affront and possibility of
losing control to their local ancient male obsessed secrete domineering
long held beliefs and dogma. The American Twin towers and top security
Pentagon, and apparently also targeted England Big Ben Clock Tower or
French Eiffel Tower and other world high security placed antennas
apparently were too much for the militant trolls to take and symbolized
broadcasting truth counter to their negative held twisted biased
beliefs. Remember how the defeated former military leaders trolled all
was well and that they were purportedly winning the war in Iraq to the
very end until their own criminal held news station antenna was finally
torn down in defeat? A true troll is anyone who hates individual free
posting rights of others, is net reflective affronted by it, and tries
to antagonize, belittle, or prevent freedom of posting opinion without
just cause or merit. Continued stalking abusive trolling is net abuse
and representative of the negative elements taken to the extreme and
human dignity disrespectful and violating upon mentioned or referred to.
Every fire starts with a spark, and the Captain humbly reminds of
Smokey's message, only you can prevent forest fires. Net flame wars are
no different, try blowing them out with love, correlating helpful
knowledge or net link, and understanding kindness. If that doesn't work,
offer the antagonistic clueless a Darla Starship ride and tell them to
get in line until they hopefully science redeem themselves to get a
ticket. Per net far advanced Star Race Darla, only 17 crew members are
permitted on each Starship.
By the way Art, because of some of your otherwise at times redeeming
values, you did make the potential Darla Starship and Hollywood
inquiring producers movie credit roster even though it's a small part as
Officer Bohne's coffee boy to start.
carry hopefully better on,
the nightbat
Art Deco
> nightbat wrote
>
> Art Deco wrote:
> >
> > nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
> >
> > > But the reality is that there are collective or individuals not
> > > interested in astronomy, as you know trolls and such and at anytime bent
> > > on depriving you of net speech liberty, peace, and happiness, for their
> > > own personal deluded agendas, real or imagined.
>
> > Art Deco
> > As usual, this is all wrong.
>
> nightbat
>
> Thank you Art for finally agreeing with the Captain because
> folks who act like trolls on the net as usual are all wrong.
So, reading English isn't your strong suit, at least this is now well
established.
> For
> instance at many times you and net boy friends negative like going after
> Officer Bohne for his dedication to science research and providing
> correlating net link proper info sources yet which perhaps are demeaning
> to those who may not be able to understand, remain on, or keep up with
> pertinent deep scientific topics.
I guess you've never been on the receiving end of any of Chuckweasel's
vague death and legal threats, nightbat.
As far as I have seen, 99% of the "pertinent deep scientific"
discussions by the Darla saucerhead group delusion members in
alt.astronomy consist of word salad attempts to exceed the speed of
light and deny the Michaelson-Morley experiment in order to impose an
ether model. All without a single shred of experimental evidence or
mathematical modeling.
Nice rant and meltdown, nightbat. In a single paragraph, you managed
to evade my question, accuse me net abuse and a part in the WTC
"conspiracy", and demonstrate you don't understand what the term
"troll" means.
Care to provide evidence that I "hate individual free posting rights of
others"?
Care to explain exactly what the phrase "is net reflective affronted by
it" means?
Care to provide evidence that I have tried to "prevent freedom of
posting opinion without just cause or merit"?
> By the way Art, because of some of your otherwise at times redeeming
> values, you did make the potential Darla Starship and Hollywood
> inquiring producers movie credit roster even though it's a small part as
> Officer Bohne's coffee boy to start.
I can safely predict that the Darla saucerhead group delusion will
never come to pass, nightbat. Please remove my name from this lits.
> carry hopefully better on,
> the nightbat
Ironic that in the same post where you accuse me of "petty childish
teasing and net beguiling," you then label me as Chuckweasel's "coffee
boy."
Continue kookdancing, please.
Art Deco
> On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 06:25:01 -0500, nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com>
> wrote:
>
> >By the way Art, because of some of your otherwise at times redeeming
> >values, you did make the potential Darla Starship and Hollywood
> >inquiring producers movie credit roster even though it's a small part as
> >Officer Bohne's coffee boy to start.
> >
> > carry hopefully better on,
> > the nightbat
>
> Maybe I can send him OUTSIDE for getting us some coffee two minutes
> before lift-off? :-)
> C.
Was this supposed to be funny, Chuckweasel?
Brad Guth
What part of 'up yours' remains as over your Borg heads?
Is it against your collective borg programming to offer anything that's
on-topic?
~
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[[The Commentator]]
Since you are a k00k, and you are spreading illucid k00kscreeds,
commenting on you and your behavior is perfectly on topic.
Of course you do not know where this is being read, do you, k00k?
Art Deco
As usual, kooks think they are the only ones who post on-topic.
Raving Loonie
> nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
> As far as I have seen, 99% of the "pertinent deep scientific"
> discussions by the Darla saucerhead group delusion members in
> alt.astronomy consist of word salad attempts to exceed the speed of
> light and deny the Michaelson-Morley experiment in order to impose an
> ether model. All without a single shred of experimental evidence or
> mathematical modeling.
>
> > > Art Deco
>
>
> Nice rant and meltdown, nightbat. In a single paragraph, you managed
> to evade my question, accuse me net abuse and a part in the WTC
> "conspiracy", and demonstrate you don't understand what the term
> "troll" means.
>
> Care to provide evidence that I "hate individual free posting rights of
> others"?
>
> Care to explain exactly what the phrase "is net reflective affronted by
> it" means?
>
> Care to provide evidence that I have tried to "prevent freedom of
> posting opinion without just cause or merit"?
Evidence ?
Admittedly, I am ignorant of Art Bell and other events that have taken
place in the past.
Nevertheless the following link suggests that you may be in favor of
well lubricated ' free expression '
Thanks for the reference Double-A
RL
Art Deco
[snecked froups restored]
You seem to be in orbit, Major Tom.
>
> Thanks for the reference Double-A
>
> RL
>
What happened to your "plonker", fanboi?
Raving Loonie
> Raving Loonie <raving...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [snecked froups restored]
>
> > Art Deco wrote:
> > > nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
> >
> > Evidence ?
> >
> > Admittedly, I am ignorant of Art Bell and other events that have taken
> > place in the past.
> >
> > Nevertheless the following link suggests that you may be in favor of
> > well lubricated ' free expression '
> >
> > See http://tinyurl.com/d2csd
>
> You seem to be in orbit, Major Tom.
> >
> > Thanks for the reference Double-A
> >
> > RL
> >
Plonk? You mean this ~~~~~~~~> http://tinyurl.com/bx2n4 ?
> What happened to your "plonker", fanboi?
>
> --
> Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
>
> <http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/alexa/socks.html>
> <http://www.petitmorte.net/cujo/kazoo/kazoo.html>
>
> "We don't live on "islands". The name of my home-world is Manda."
> -- Charles D. "Chuckweasel" Bohne
[snecked as mostly always ...]
I think not.
Nawh. ... I have ADD, Art Dark.
Its easy for me to casually categorize and thence 'forget' you as being
some random bit of pixelated noise on my LCD monitor.
I have no need for a plonker.
Sorry.
RL
Art Deco
[snecked froups restored]
> Art Deco wrote:
> > Raving Loonie <raving...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [snecked froups restored]
> >
> > > Art Deco wrote:
> > > > nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
> > >
>
> > > Evidence ?
> > >
> > > Admittedly, I am ignorant of Art Bell and other events that have taken
> > > place in the past.
> > >
> > > Nevertheless the following link suggests that you may be in favor of
> > > well lubricated ' free expression '
> > >
> > > See http://tinyurl.com/d2csd
> >
> > You seem to be in orbit, Major Tom.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reference Double-A
> > >
> > > RL
> > >
>
> Plonk? You mean this ~~~~~~~~> http://tinyurl.com/bx2n4 ?
Wow, you know how to type a search into google, I'm impressed.
>
> > What happened to your "plonker", fanboi?
> >
> > --
> > Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
> >
> > <http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/alexa/socks.html>
> > <http://www.petitmorte.net/cujo/kazoo/kazoo.html>
> >
> > "We don't live on "islands". The name of my home-world is Manda."
> > -- Charles D. "Chuckweasel" Bohne
Careful, Chuckweasel will issue an deportation order to you if you keep
quoting him.
>
> [snecked as mostly always ...]
The coward's way out.
>
> I think not.
>
> Nawh. ... I have ADD, Art Dark.
>
> Its easy for me to casually categorize and thence 'forget' you as being
> some random bit of pixelated noise on my LCD monitor.
>
> I have no need for a plonker.
>
> Sorry.
>
> RL
So, no fart posts over and over again, fanboi?
Raving Loonie
Art Duck has written:
> So, no fart posts over and over again, fanboi?
... didn't you mean ' phuctoi ', artless fucked-up-duck ?
Frankly you come across as a synthetic cunt ...
... being wholly uninteresting, monotonous, and predictable.
A sex toy to jerk around & about.
IMO, the ' flesh and blod ' variety is way more enjoyable ...
Astronomically more interesting and entertaining.
Immensely more rewarding and satisfying.
Regrettably, the same cannot be said of yourself.
[ Original headers left 'intact' on this occasion for the benefit of
your constituency. Enjoy ]
Art Deco
Suffering from attribution problems, fanboi?
>
> Frankly you come across as a synthetic cunt ...
> ... being wholly uninteresting, monotonous, and predictable.
>
> A sex toy to jerk around & about.
>
> IMO, the ' flesh and blod ' variety is way more enjoyable ...
> Astronomically more interesting and entertaining.
> Immensely more rewarding and satisfying.
>
> Regrettably, the same cannot be said of yourself.
I am not the that posts about farts over and over and over.
>
> [ Original headers left 'intact' on this occasion for the benefit of
> your constituency. Enjoy ]
>
Nice meltdown, fanboi.
Raving Loonie
> Official Associate AFA-B Vote Brown Noser
>
> <http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/alexa/socks.html>
> <http://www.petitmorte.net/cujo/kazoo/kazoo.html>
Awe shucks, Artless
You have " Spank me " written all over you. Enjoy
Double-A
Did it ever occur to you that Art Deco may be a bot?
Double-A