Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 times or 580,000%!
> Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance > VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! > 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 > times or 580,000%!
How the HELL do YOU KNOW THAT, PIGGY? lmfjao! Did Allah tell you?
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Everyone should FOLLOW THE PIG! All you'll get from that is MORE PIG SHIT! His postings are FULL OF SHIT! His knowledge of astronomy, orbits, astrophysics and just about EVERYTHING ELSE IS SHIT!
You've posted DISASTER "WARNINGS" so many times and
NOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED!
DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER! and NOTHING HAPPENS!
Your VERY POOR record says it all, PIGGY! Score: ZERO!
Allah HATES YOUR STUPIDITY, MORON!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:49:56 -0800 (PST), Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance >> VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! >> 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 >> times or 580,000%!
It passed One fifth the distance of the moon and about twice as far as our satellites . Thats very very very close indeed and we only hear about it AFTER it passes . Not very reassuring.
On Mar 3, 12:45 pm, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote:
> Everyone should FOLLOW THE PIG! All you'll get from that is MORE PIG > SHIT! His postings are FULL OF SHIT! His knowledge of astronomy, > orbits, astrophysics and just about EVERYTHING ELSE IS SHIT!
> You've posted DISASTER "WARNINGS" so many times and
> NOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED!
> DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER! and NOTHING HAPPENS!
> Your VERY POOR record says it all, PIGGY! Score: ZERO!
> Allah HATES YOUR STUPIDITY, MORON!
> Saul Levy
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:49:56 -0800 (PST), Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >there are more, and will be bigger too...
> >On Mar 3, 7:17 am, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote: > >> Big surprise, huh? lmfjao!
> >> Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance > >> VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! > >> 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 > >> times or 580,000%!
> Everyone should FOLLOW THE PIG! All you'll get from that is MORE PIG > SHIT! His postings are FULL OF SHIT! His knowledge of astronomy, > orbits, astrophysics and just about EVERYTHING ELSE IS SHIT!
> You've posted DISASTER "WARNINGS" so many times and
> NOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED!
> DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER! and NOTHING HAPPENS!
> Your VERY POOR record says it all, PIGGY! Score: ZERO!
> Allah HATES YOUR STUPIDITY, MORON!
> Saul Levy
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:49:56 -0800 (PST), Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >there are more, and will be bigger too...
> >On Mar 3, 7:17 am, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote: > >> Big surprise, huh? lmfjao!
> >> Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance > >> VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! > >> 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 > >> times or 580,000%!
Saul, Have you checked out http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/ ? He and his associates state that these strikes are on the increase and are forerunners of things to come. His premise is that earth goes through periods of meteor strikes every 1500 years, if I'm not mistaken. They come in clusters. Some clusters devastating earth. Has anyone checked out his credentials? Has there been an increase in these strikes to date? Let's face it, you can slam Warhol all you want and deservedly so, but the news is regularly reporting these hits or near misses and I cannot remember a time when NEO's were more prominent in the news. And yes, this site does have a bit of everything and appeals to the New Age doom and gloom group. Just the same, he is an Astronomer. I'm curious concerning your take on this....
2009 DD45 wasn't even a close one! Read about one that came within 4000 MILES! Where was PIGGY in 2004 when that was a GIANT THREAT OF DEATH FROM ABOVE?
He was EATING SHIT SANDWICHES back then too!
Saul Levy
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:17:30 -0700, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote:
>Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance >VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! >46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 >times or 580,000%!
"Vulcan is the distant, yet to be observed, dark star companion of our Sun."
Doesn't this tell you all you need to know, vt? lmfjao! LOW THREAT LEVELS and VULCAN HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BY ANYONE! All his website shows is IT'S ALL MADE UP SHIT based on NOTHING!
Oh, NOTHING HAPPENED IN FEBURARY (SIC!) either! MEDIUM LEVEL, my ASS!
Warmkessel is NOT an astronomer. His belief in Vulcan alone shows this very clearly. Astronomers DO NOT BELIEVE IN VULCAN, PERIOD! Where does it say he's an astronomer? Nowhere I can find... Please quote to me this information...
Vulcan Women? Where's Nancy Lieder then? She is MISSING! Of course, she is ALWAYS MISSING, schizo NUTJOB that she is!
EARTH'S BLEAK FUTURE? This is PURE DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER!
I think his email addy says it all: B.M. Warmkessel! Don't bet the B is for Barry! Looks more like BOWL MOVEMENT to me! lmfjao! His website is ALL SHIT!
Events often occur in THREES! So what? More DOOM AND GLOOM!
You have such a POOR understanding of these issues that you BOUGHT THE BRIDGE, errr, THE FARM, vt! Please name me SOME STRIKES! How many have occurred and how many were KILLED? There hasn't been one since 1908! That's OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS already! I've said over and over that these events are NOT increasing at all. When you have so few of them actually occur, you can NOT make any PREDICTIONS for the future. He reminds me very much of PIGGY'S claims, and you know how reliable the PIGGY is? ZERO!
There are more known NEOs simply because REAL ASTRONOMERS are ACTIVELY SEARCHING for them. But NOTHING HAS HIT THE EARTH hard enough to notice since 1908. The chances of anything doing so during our lifetimes is almost ZERO! It just doesn't happen that often to worry about it! Sure there is always some SLIGHT chance of being hit. So what? What could you do about it anyway?
2012 is coming! Expect lots more DEATH FROM ABOVE until then. Afterwards? It won't decrease then either! The DOOM AND GLOOM and RELIGIOUS NUTS will NEVER stop. The bible (pick any one) says so. Note they NEVER say when! Setting a date is always making a BIG ERROR!
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 04:17:39 -0800 (PST), vtcapo <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Everyone should FOLLOW THE PIG! All you'll get from that is MORE PIG >> SHIT! His postings are FULL OF SHIT! His knowledge of astronomy, >> orbits, astrophysics and just about EVERYTHING ELSE IS SHIT!
>> You've posted DISASTER "WARNINGS" so many times and
>> NOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED!
>> DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER! and NOTHING HAPPENS!
>> Your VERY POOR record says it all, PIGGY! Score: ZERO!
>> Allah HATES YOUR STUPIDITY, MORON!
>> Saul Levy
>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:49:56 -0800 (PST), Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> >> wrote:
>> >there are more, and will be bigger too...
>> >On Mar 3, 7:17 am, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote: >> >> Big surprise, huh? lmfjao!
>> >> Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance >> >> VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! >> >> 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 >> >> times or 580,000%!
>Saul, >Have you checked out http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/ ? He and his >associates state that these strikes are on the increase and are >forerunners of things to come. His premise is that earth goes through >periods of meteor strikes every 1500 years, if I'm not mistaken. They >come in clusters. Some clusters devastating earth. Has anyone checked >out his credentials? Has there been an increase in these strikes to >date? Let's face it, you can slam Warhol all you want and deservedly >so, but the news is regularly reporting these hits or near misses and >I cannot remember a time when NEO's were more prominent in the news. >And yes, this site does have a bit of everything and appeals to the >New Age doom and gloom group. Just the same, he is an Astronomer. >I'm curious concerning your take on this....
On Mar 3, 2:49 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> there are more, and will be bigger too...
If our very own NASA and their vast community of wizards can’t manage to detect and correctly track something as big and nasty as DD45/ K09D45D, then what’s their worth to us or anyone else?
I’d thought they always claimed as having identified each and everything the size of a beer can or larger. Guess that was simply more of their usual policy of obfuscating, as otherwise how could such a substantial and frequent asteroid have gone unnoticed? (perhaps its a Muslim stealth asteroid or a nearly invisible WMD)
It was only by far the largest asteroid in recent history of our having identified such NEOs that ever came within 2xGSO, and to think if its trajectory had only been off my .0001 degree or +/- a few meters/sec, by now we could have been toast. (apparently there's nothing all that newsworthy)
Interesting that there's also no mention of its density and mass (its surface and low albedo kinda looks a bit moon like), and oddly still nothing of its modified orbital parameters that would enable a corrected simulation as to its next encounter with Earth or Selene.
DD45 / K09D45D mass, density and origin still unknown. However, March 2 was the day we find out exactly how close and how fast DD45/K09D45D gets past us and Selene, hopefully learning if there were any sisters (DD45-a/b/c) tagging along for the ride. By now or at least shortly from now we should know of its density, mass and albedo. The unavoidably modified orbit is apparently yet to be plotted, perhaps mostly because unit mass hasn’t been fully established and the combined gravitational stress of Earth and Selene hasn’t been fully added into the JPL orbital simulation.
Apparently by one report it had slowed down to 20 km/s, dropping as much as 5.5 km/s means that it got extremely close (within 66,000 km of Earth’s surface, or twice GSO, not to mention however close to Selene).
This item could very well be a secondary shard from the original Selene-Earth encounter. However, odd for such a significant item that it’s only now discovered, and more oddly there’s still not a published or otherwise posted word as to its density and mass, and therefore there’s no good way of telling what amount of orbital drift or skew is taking place until after the fact. Of those publicly employed and/or funded that should know better are clearly not sharing squat from our own publicly funded science
For future safety and the better part of common sense, I might suggest that we follow the footsteps of those evacuating local observatories. Unfortunately, in my area there isn’t one of those observatories that we can keep an eye on, and if it’s cloudy we will not even see it coming until it’s too late.
If this dark NEO asteroid DD45/K09D45D were correctly impacting our Atlantic Ocean, this unfortunate outcome would certainly be a far better option than any Pacific Ocean encounter as far as I’m concerned. How about yourself? (do you live anywhere near the West coast, or sufficiently inland?). According to Sky and Telescope: “The bad news is that the point of closest approach occurs over the Pacific somewhere west of Tahiti,”
Btw, where exactly is our Selene/moon in all of this? (how NMO or NSO did this sucker get to our Selene?)
Oddly, still nothing in sci.space.news or any other Usenet/newsgroup of the usual context representing our official infomercial hype, as though this kind of incoming threat isn’t nearly a real as were all of those Muslim WMD, or as worrisome as their having to obfuscate over any further SEC approved Ponzi Madoff ruse that might pop up. Perhaps BHO should consider giving our NASA and FEMA a nice bailout bonus for keeping tight lids on this kind of NEO thing. Even their Canadian Space.com partner in infomercial hype and damage control spin kind of sucks, with not a word of mention on their home news page (apparently a substantial NEO has to first impact us before getting newsworthy). However, at least there are any number of hot sex, smut and porn pages using DD45.
2009 DD45/K09D45D, March 2, 2009 13:45 UT, 6:45 AM PST, a near miss of <72e3 km should kick up some terrestrial dust, if not Selene/moon dust. At a semi-icy minimum worth of 82e6 kg and <60 meter diameter, or perhaps a more than likely naked rock+ dense mineral added mass of creating at least 250<500e3 tonnes and 25.5 km/s (not relative to us) should none the less be downright impressive. Actually it’ll be Earth and Selene overrunning us past or possibly into DD45 at roughly 8.8 km/ s, plus whatever the combined pull of Selene+Earth gravity adds a little further attractive insult to that potential injury, which might conceivably represent <10.5 km/s upon impact. (with our crack NASA and FEMA in charge, what could possibly go wrong?)
At magnitude -10 and something greater than 64e3 km (visible with good binoculars), compared to our full moon at -12.6, makes asteroid DD45 a rather typically dark basalt or nearly coal black kind of rock, and otherwise not hardly icy because as such it never stays far enough away from the sun or gets itself near any source of ice.
As we might care to say, the best reason(s) why our NASA didn’t discover or bother telling us about this potentially lethal rocks is that we still have all of our best eggs, talents, technology and field expertise focused upon exterminating Muslims on behalf of Israel. No eggs or brains leftover for any kind of viable Earth defense or even survival instructions against such rocks. So, for now it’s back to the business as usual of counting our lucky stars, pretending that our NASA, DARPA and those of our whiz bang FEMA don’t even exist (at times that's not even any too far fetched).
In other words, if this bad boy comes back around to haunt us, at the ongoing bankrupt rate we’re headed, we’ll still not be prepared to do much of anything except to better warn folks to move out of the impending target area and downrange path of its glancing impact that could likely put terrestrial secondary stuff in LEO.
None the less, there should have been the official confirmation as to the asteroid mass and of its modified orbit by now.
> 2009 DD45 wasn't even a close one! Read about one that came within > 4000 MILES! Where was PIGGY in 2004 when that was a GIANT THREAT OF > DEATH FROM ABOVE?
> He was EATING SHIT SANDWICHES back then too!
> Saul Levy
> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:17:30 -0700, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> > wrote:
> >Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance > >VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! > >46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 > >times or 580,000%!
Saul, From the internet: "Dr. Barry Warmkessel received his BA in physics from Pomona College and a Ph.D. in physics from Arizona State University. He has been involved with the defense and aerospace industry for 31 years and he has professional experience in radar, communications, electro-optic, electronic warfare (both microwave and optical), and airborne reconnaissance". Your right, he is not an astronomer, go figure.... None the less, he may be on to something. The news in recent months has noted a number of strikes in Canada and the US. An object that comes less than 1 LD from earth IS something to consider. I am sure these strikes are also occuring around the world. All I am interested in, is if there has been a statistically significant increase in these occurrences since records have been kept.
> > Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance > > VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! > > 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 > > times or 580,000%!
Lay down the sword... or you walketh the Plank of my beloved Gran'Da'Dy into the terrible lake fire... and dont forget to prepare Silver for my temple or I wont let you in my promised .
and let remember you that there are many more cometh coming the coming days all with the 1 LD distance from our beloved world...
On Mar 3, 7:31 pm, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Vulcan is the distant, yet to be observed, dark star companion of our > Sun."
> Doesn't this tell you all you need to know, vt? lmfjao! LOW THREAT > LEVELS and VULCAN HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BY ANYONE! All his website > shows is IT'S ALL MADE UP SHIT based on NOTHING!
> Oh, NOTHING HAPPENED IN FEBURARY (SIC!) either! MEDIUM LEVEL, my ASS!
> Warmkessel is NOT an astronomer. His belief in Vulcan alone shows > this very clearly. Astronomers DO NOT BELIEVE IN VULCAN, PERIOD! > Where does it say he's an astronomer? Nowhere I can find... Please > quote to me this information...
> Vulcan Women? Where's Nancy Lieder then? She is MISSING! Of course, > she is ALWAYS MISSING, schizo NUTJOB that she is!
> EARTH'S BLEAK FUTURE? This is PURE DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER!
> I think his email addy says it all: B.M. Warmkessel! Don't bet the B > is for Barry! Looks more like BOWL MOVEMENT to me! lmfjao! His > website is ALL SHIT!
> Events often occur in THREES! So what? More DOOM AND GLOOM!
> You have such a POOR understanding of these issues that you BOUGHT THE > BRIDGE, errr, THE FARM, vt! Please name me SOME STRIKES! How many > have occurred and how many were KILLED? There hasn't been one since > 1908! That's OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS already! I've said over and over > that these events are NOT increasing at all. When you have so few of > them actually occur, you can NOT make any PREDICTIONS for the future. > He reminds me very much of PIGGY'S claims, and you know how reliable > the PIGGY is? ZERO!
> There are more known NEOs simply because REAL ASTRONOMERS are ACTIVELY > SEARCHING for them. But NOTHING HAS HIT THE EARTH hard enough to > notice since 1908. The chances of anything doing so during our > lifetimes is almost ZERO! It just doesn't happen that often to worry > about it! Sure there is always some SLIGHT chance of being hit. So > what? What could you do about it anyway?
> 2012 is coming! Expect lots more DEATH FROM ABOVE until then. > Afterwards? It won't decrease then either! The DOOM AND GLOOM and > RELIGIOUS NUTS will NEVER stop. The bible (pick any one) says so. > Note they NEVER say when! Setting a date is always making a BIG > ERROR!
> NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
> Saul Levy
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 04:17:39 -0800 (PST), vtcapo <vtc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >On Mar 3, 6:45 am, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote: > >> How the HELL do YOU KNOW THAT, PIGGY? lmfjao! Did Allah tell you?
> >> Everyone should FOLLOW THE PIG! All you'll get from that is MORE PIG > >> SHIT! His postings are FULL OF SHIT! His knowledge of astronomy, > >> orbits, astrophysics and just about EVERYTHING ELSE IS SHIT!
> >> You've posted DISASTER "WARNINGS" so many times and
> >> NOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED!
> >> DOOM AND GLOOM FOREVER! and NOTHING HAPPENS!
> >> Your VERY POOR record says it all, PIGGY! Score: ZERO!
> >> Allah HATES YOUR STUPIDITY, MORON!
> >> Saul Levy
> >> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:49:56 -0800 (PST), Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> > >> wrote:
> >> >there are more, and will be bigger too...
> >> >On Mar 3, 7:17 am, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote: > >> >> Big surprise, huh? lmfjao!
> >> >> Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance > >> >> VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! > >> >> 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 > >> >> times or 580,000%!
> >Saul, > >Have you checked outhttp://www.barry.warmkessel.com/? He and his > >associates state that these strikes are on the increase and are > >forerunners of things to come. His premise is that earth goes through > >periods of meteor strikes every 1500 years, if I'm not mistaken. They > >come in clusters. Some clusters devastating earth. Has anyone checked > >out his credentials? Has there been an increase in these strikes to > >date? Let's face it, you can slam Warhol all you want and deservedly > >so, but the news is regularly reporting these hits or near misses and > >I cannot remember a time when NEO's were more prominent in the news. > >And yes, this site does have a bit of everything and appeals to the > >New Age doom and gloom group. Just the same, he is an Astronomer. > >I'm curious concerning your take on this....
I got news for you, physicists know NOTHING about astronomy either, vt! lmfjao!
This was clearly shown at the University of Arizona's Stewart Observatory back in the 1970s. They allowed a bunch of physicists and other non-astronomers into their masters and Ph.D. degree programs.
They knew NO astronomy and drove the teaching staff CRAZY because all the basic astronomy they should have already known had to be TAUGHT TO THEM! An amateur astronomer knew more than they did! Dr. Bart Bok, the Dutch astronomy giant, used to complain about this lack of knowledge. He somewhere in that period was director of Stewart O.
Meanwhile at Kitt Peak I had one of the young astronomers from India tell me how surprised he was to find that I already knew about right Ascension and declination to be able to set a telescope on an object! Previously they had been hiring support staff who had no knowledge of astronomy. I had already been using 31" and 13" telescopes at Allegheny O. in Pittsburgh. You can learn this information, but it takes TIME!
I've worked with a few astronomers who had CRACKPOT ideas. My ex-boss at Kitt Peak had one student from Stewart O. who had a burr up his butt about a wacko theory my boss told him was wrong. The student didn't want to drop his theory and I don't know if that affected his career or not. Just listen to Hoax to Hoax if you want more supposedly sane scientists with CRACKPOT theories! Very few of them are totally SANE!
Warmkessel's website is ALL CRACKPOTISM! Vulcan, E.T.s, impacts, DOOM AND GLOOM, catastrophes, Earth's bleak future, Maitreya, Yellowstone eruptions due to major impacts, Noah's ark, flying saucers, Earth changes, crop circles, Christ, Buddah, etc. Most of these things are no different than what you find on Nancy Lieder's Planet X pages!
He even has an orbit calculator for Vulcan which NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN! Gauss developed back in the 19th century a method for calculating orbits from THREE observations. What is Warmkessel's orbit based on? He's a physicist alright. He even has ERROR limits listed!
I assume that Warmkessel has manipulated the tiny errors from REAL objects (planets, comets or asteroids usually) and made them into Vulcan. Brady did this for Comet Halley in the 1970s and MADE UP a Saturn-sized planet! Astronomers actually looked for Brady's planet (to prove him wrong!). They found NOTHING! Brady had use of a Cray supercomputer at Lawrence Livermore Labs and wanted to show how smart he was. It was suggested that he NOT publish his results, but he did anyway. I couldn't find any links to this event.
Just because egomaniac scientists can make up worthless SHIT and make it look like science to laymen, it's still worthless SHIT! Neither Vulcan nor Planet X exist. No one's ever seen them. The claimed often MAJOR effects from both are NOT real.
One of the debris strikes that crashed into the roof of a house (in Texas as I remember) was from a tree shredder in the neighborhood. The block with 2 hex holes in it that were too hot to touch. Not from space at all. All the early reports made it seem likely it was from crashing satellites or outer space debris!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:35:56 -0800 (PST), vtcapo <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Saul, >From the internet: "Dr. Barry Warmkessel received his BA in physics >from Pomona College and a Ph.D. in physics from Arizona State >University. He has been involved with the defense and aerospace >industry for 31 years and he has professional experience in radar, >communications, electro-optic, electronic warfare (both microwave and >optical), and airborne reconnaissance". Your right, he is not an >astronomer, go figure.... None the less, he may be on to something. >The news in recent months has noted a number of strikes in Canada and >the US. An object that comes less than 1 LD from earth IS something >to consider. I am sure these strikes are also occuring around the >world. All I am interested in, is if there has been a statistically >significant increase in these occurrences since records have been >kept.
>On Mar 3, 2:49 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> there are more, and will be bigger too...
>If our very own NASA and their vast community of wizards can’t manage >to detect and correctly track something as big and nasty as DD45/ >K09D45D, then what’s their worth to us or anyone else?
>I’d thought they always claimed as having identified each and >everything the size of a beer can or larger. Guess that was simply >more of their usual policy of obfuscating, as otherwise how could such >a substantial and frequent asteroid have gone unnoticed? (perhaps its >a Muslim stealth asteroid or a nearly invisible WMD)
>It was only by far the largest asteroid in recent history of our >having identified such NEOs that ever came within 2xGSO, and to think >if its trajectory had only been off my .0001 degree or +/- a few >meters/sec, by now we could have been toast. (apparently there's >nothing all that newsworthy)
>Interesting that there's also no mention of its density and mass (its >surface and low albedo kinda looks a bit moon like), and oddly still >nothing of its modified orbital parameters that would enable a >corrected simulation as to its next encounter with Earth or Selene.
>DD45 / K09D45D mass, density and origin still unknown. However, March >2 was the day we find out exactly how close and how fast DD45/K09D45D >gets past us and Selene, hopefully learning if there were any sisters >(DD45-a/b/c) tagging along for the ride. By now or at least shortly >from now we should know of its density, mass and albedo. The >unavoidably modified orbit is apparently yet to be plotted, perhaps >mostly because unit mass hasn’t been fully established and the >combined gravitational stress of Earth and Selene hasn’t been fully >added into the JPL orbital simulation.
>Apparently by one report it had slowed down to 20 km/s, dropping as >much as 5.5 km/s means that it got extremely close (within 66,000 km >of Earth’s surface, or twice GSO, not to mention however close to >Selene).
>This item could very well be a secondary shard from the original >Selene-Earth encounter. However, odd for such a significant item that >it’s only now discovered, and more oddly there’s still not a published >or otherwise posted word as to its density and mass, and therefore >there’s no good way of telling what amount of orbital drift or skew is >taking place until after the fact. Of those publicly employed and/or >funded that should know better are clearly not sharing squat from our >own publicly funded science
>For future safety and the better part of common sense, I might suggest >that we follow the footsteps of those evacuating local observatories. >Unfortunately, in my area there isn’t one of those observatories that >we can keep an eye on, and if it’s cloudy we will not even see it >coming until it’s too late.
>If this dark NEO asteroid DD45/K09D45D were correctly impacting our >Atlantic Ocean, this unfortunate outcome would certainly be a far >better option than any Pacific Ocean encounter as far as I’m >concerned. How about yourself? (do you live anywhere near the West >coast, or sufficiently inland?). According to Sky and Telescope: “The >bad news is that the point of closest approach occurs over the Pacific >somewhere west of Tahiti,”
>Btw, where exactly is our Selene/moon in all of this? (how NMO or NSO >did this sucker get to our Selene?)
>Oddly, still nothing in sci.space.news or any other Usenet/newsgroup >of the usual context representing our official infomercial hype, as >though this kind of incoming threat isn’t nearly a real as were all of >those Muslim WMD, or as worrisome as their having to obfuscate over >any further SEC approved Ponzi Madoff ruse that might pop up. Perhaps >BHO should consider giving our NASA and FEMA a nice bailout bonus for >keeping tight lids on this kind of NEO thing. Even their Canadian >Space.com partner in infomercial hype and damage control spin kind of >sucks, with not a word of mention on their home news page (apparently >a substantial NEO has to first impact us before getting newsworthy). >However, at least there are any number of hot sex, smut and porn pages >using DD45.
>2009 DD45/K09D45D, March 2, 2009 13:45 UT, 6:45 AM PST, a near miss >of <72e3 km should kick up some terrestrial dust, if not Selene/moon >dust. At a semi-icy minimum worth of 82e6 kg and <60 meter diameter, >or perhaps a more than likely naked rock+ dense mineral added mass of >creating at least 250<500e3 tonnes and 25.5 km/s (not relative to us) >should none the less be downright impressive. Actually it’ll be Earth >and Selene overrunning us past or possibly into DD45 at roughly 8.8 km/ >s, plus whatever the combined pull of Selene+Earth gravity adds a >little further attractive insult to that potential injury, which might >conceivably represent <10.5 km/s upon impact. (with our crack NASA and >FEMA in charge, what could possibly go wrong?)
>At magnitude -10 and something greater than 64e3 km (visible with good >binoculars), compared to our full moon at -12.6, makes asteroid DD45 a >rather typically dark basalt or nearly coal black kind of rock, and >otherwise not hardly icy because as such it never stays far enough >away from the sun or gets itself near any source of ice.
>As we might care to say, the best reason(s) why our NASA didn’t >discover or bother telling us about this potentially lethal rocks is >that we still have all of our best eggs, talents, technology and field >expertise focused upon exterminating Muslims on behalf of Israel. No >eggs or brains leftover for any kind of viable Earth defense or even >survival instructions against such rocks. So, for now it’s back to >the business as usual of counting our lucky stars, pretending that our >NASA, DARPA and those of our whiz bang FEMA don’t even exist (at times >that's not even any too far fetched).
>In other words, if this bad boy comes back around to haunt us, at the >ongoing bankrupt rate we’re headed, we’ll still not be prepared to do >much of anything except to better warn folks to move out of the >impending target area and downrange path of its glancing impact that >could likely put terrestrial secondary stuff in LEO.
>None the less, there should have been the official confirmation as to >the asteroid mass and of its modified orbit by now.
> Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance > VERY WRONG! They said it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! > 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 > times or 580,000%!
Between now and 2012, a lot could still go wrong: So what if this Y2K12 thing comes and goes as having delivered the worse dosage of solar CMEs and highly charged solar wind on record, whereas consequently nearly all of our sensitive technology is lost in the year 2012? It seems we have far worse matters to ponder, like Earth getting seriously whacked by a million tonne asteroid that our crack NASA wizards failed to notice until it was too late.
Our NASA seems to live by coincidence and a great deal of random happenstance that fits their style of PR motivated hype and anomaly damage-control via spin and obfuscation whenever current and future funding seems at risk, suggesting they supposedly know a mission critical thing or two and thereby deserve being kept alive, such as just in case another stealth asteroid sneaks under their radar. Lo and behold, the latest potential threat that was a whole lot bigger than a breadbox, as such they didn’t have a clue or much less see this quarter million tonnes coming until it was too late. Matters of solar halo CMEs have been better covered by TRACE, ESA and JAXA anyway, and now ISRO is taking over the bulk of accomplishing all things pertaining to our Selene/moon, with CNSA not far behind.
Meanwhile, SRBs and the OCO clamshell remains too complex for our NASA to deal with.
If our very own NASA and their vast community of public funded wizards can’t manage to detect and correctly track something as terribly big and nasty as DD45/K09D45D, then what’s their worth to us or anyone else?
I’d thought they always insisted as having identified each and everything the size of a beer can or larger that’s of any significant threat to satellites or us. Guess that was simply more of their usual policy of obfuscating, as otherwise how could such a substantial and frequent asteroid have gone unnoticed? (perhaps its a Muslim stealth asteroid, or a nearly invisible WMD)
It was only by far the largest asteroid in recent history, of our having identified such NEOs that have ever gotten within 2xGSO, and to think if its trajectory had only been off my .0001 degree or +/- a few meters/sec, by now we could have been toast. (apparently, unless we’re impacted there's nothing all that newsworthy)
Further interesting is that there's also no mention of its density and mass (its surface and low albedo kinda looks a bit moon like), and oddly still nothing of its modified orbital parameters that would enable a corrected simulation as to its next encounter with Earth or Selene.
DD45 / K09D45D mass, density and origin still unknown. However, March 2 was the close encounter day we find out exactly how close and how fast DD45/K09D45D gets past us and Selene, hopefully learning if there were any sisters (DD45-a/b/c) tagging along for the ride. By now or at least shortly from now we should know of its density, mass and albedo. The unavoidably modified orbit is apparently yet to be plotted, perhaps mostly because unit mass hasn’t been fully established and the combined gravitational alignment of Earth and Selene hasn’t been fully added into the JPL orbital simulation.
By one report it had slowed down to 20 km/s, dropping as much as 5.5 km/s means that it got extremely close (within 66,000 km of Earth’s surface, or twice GSO, not to mention however close to Selene), passing by at 8.8 km/sec relative to Earth.
This heavy looking item could very well be a secondary shard from the original Selene-Earth encounter. However, odd for such a significant item that it’s only now discovered, and more oddly there’s still not a published or otherwise posted word as to its density and mass, and therefore there’s no good way of telling what amount of orbital drift or skew is taking place until after the fact. Of those publicly employed and/or funded that should know better are clearly not sharing squat from our own publicly funded science
For future safety and the better part of common sense, I might suggest that we follow the footsteps of those evacuating local observatories. Unfortunately, in my area there isn’t one of those observatories that we can keep an eye on, and if it’s cloudy we will not even see it coming until it’s too late.
If this dark NEO asteroid DD45/K09D45D were correctly impacting our Atlantic Ocean, this unfortunate outcome would certainly be a far better option than any Pacific Ocean encounter as far as I’m concerned. How about yourself? (do you live anywhere near the West coast, or sufficiently inland?). According to Sky and Telescope: “The bad news is that the point of closest approach occurs over the Pacific somewhere west of Tahiti,”
Btw, where exactly was our Selene/moon in all of this? (how NMO or NSO did this sucker get to our Selene?)
Oddly, still nothing in sci.space.news or any other Usenet/newsgroup of the usual context representing our official infomercial hype, as though this kind of incoming threat isn’t nearly a real as were all of those Muslim WMD, or as worrisome as their having to obfuscate over any further SEC approved Ponzi Madoff ruse that might pop up. Perhaps BHO should consider giving our NASA and FEMA a nice bailout bonus for keeping tight lids on this kind of NEO thing. Even their Canadian Space.com partner in infomercial hype and damage control spin kind of sucks, with not a word of mention on their home news page (apparently a substantial NEO has to first impact us before getting newsworthy). However, at least there are any number of hot sex, smut and porn pages using DD45.
2009 DD45/K09D45D, March 2, 2009 13:45 UT, 6:45 AM PST, a near miss of <72e3 km should kick up some terrestrial dust, if not Selene/moon dust. At a semi-icy minimum worth of 82e6 kg and <60 meter diameter, or perhaps a more than likely naked rock+ dense mineral added mass of creating at least 250<500e3 tonnes and 25.5 km/s (not relative to us) should none the less be downright impressive. Actually it’ll be Earth and Selene overrunning us past or possibly into DD45 at roughly 8.8 km/ s, plus whatever the combined pull of Selene+Earth gravity adds a little further attractive insult to that potential injury, which might conceivably represent <10.5 km/s upon impact. (with our crack NASA and FEMA in charge, what could possibly go wrong?)
At magnitude -10 and something a little greater than 64e3 km (visible with good binoculars), compared to our full moon at -12.6, makes asteroid DD45 a rather typically dark basalt or nearly coal black kind of rock, and otherwise not hardly icy because as such it never stays far enough away from the sun or gets itself near any source of ice.
As we might care to say, the best reason(s) why our NASA didn’t discover or bother telling us about this potentially lethal rocks is that we still have all of our best eggs, talents, technology and field expertise focused upon exterminating Muslims on behalf of Israel. No eggs or brains leftover for any kind of viable Earth defense or even survival instructions against such rocks. So, for now it’s back to the business as usual of counting our lucky stars, pretending that our NASA, DARPA and those of our whiz bang FEMA don’t even exist (at times that's not even any too far fetched).
In other words, if this bad boy comes back around to haunt us, at the ongoing bankruptcy rate we’re headed, we’ll still not be prepared to do much of anything except to better warn folks to move out of the impending target area and downrange path of its glancing impact, that could likely put terrestrial secondary stuff briefly in LEO.
None the less, there should have been the official confirmation as to the asteroid mass and of its modified orbit by now, and not by way of their infomercial eye-candy passive simulator they keep suggesting is accurate, because other planets and even solar variations in gravity doesn’t seem to affect its orbit over a great deal of +/- time, in any way that seems remotely real. If that public displayed simulator is any demonstration of the best output they can muster, then no wonder we’re at risk. I guess our spendy 2048 CPU supercomputer at JPL is simply too busy downloading/uploading and otherwise sharing live smut, to otherwise bother with real issues.
If our satellites can’t survive the next robust cycle of halo CMEs, then perhaps we shouldn’t be placing our even more frail human DNA at such risk by having these brave folks outside of our failing but still protective magnetosphere. (I know for a matter of fact that our late Dr. Van Allen would agree)
> I got news for you, physicists know NOTHING about astronomy either, > vt! lmfjao!
> This was clearly shown at the University of Arizona's Stewart > Observatory back in the 1970s. They allowed a bunch of physicists and > other non-astronomers into their masters and Ph.D. degree programs.
> They knew NO astronomy and drove the teaching staff CRAZY because all > the basic astronomy they should have already known had to be TAUGHT TO > THEM! An amateur astronomer knew more than they did! Dr. Bart Bok, > the Dutch astronomy giant, used to complain about this lack of > knowledge. He somewhere in that period was director of Stewart O.
> Meanwhile at Kitt Peak I had one of the young astronomers from India > tell me how surprised he was to find that I already knew about right > Ascension and declination to be able to set a telescope on an object! > Previously they had been hiring support staff who had no knowledge of > astronomy. I had already been using 31" and 13" telescopes at > Allegheny O. in Pittsburgh. You can learn this information, but it > takes TIME!
> I've worked with a few astronomers who had CRACKPOT ideas. My ex-boss > at Kitt Peak had one student from Stewart O. who had a burr up his > butt about a wacko theory my boss told him was wrong. The student > didn't want to drop his theory and I don't know if that affected his > career or not. Just listen to Hoax to Hoax if you want more > supposedly sane scientists with CRACKPOT theories! Very few of them > are totally SANE!
> Warmkessel's website is ALL CRACKPOTISM! Vulcan, E.T.s, impacts, DOOM > AND GLOOM, catastrophes, Earth's bleak future, Maitreya, Yellowstone > eruptions due to major impacts, Noah's ark, flying saucers, Earth > changes, crop circles, Christ, Buddah, etc. Most of these things are > no different than what you find on Nancy Lieder's Planet X pages!
> He even has an orbit calculator for Vulcan which NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN! > Gauss developed back in the 19th century a method for calculating > orbits from THREE observations. What is Warmkessel's orbit based on? > He's a physicist alright. He even has ERROR limits listed!
> I assume that Warmkessel has manipulated the tiny errors from REAL > objects (planets, comets or asteroids usually) and made them into > Vulcan. Brady did this for Comet Halley in the 1970s and MADE UP a > Saturn-sized planet! Astronomers actually looked for Brady's planet > (to prove him wrong!). They found NOTHING! Brady had use of a Cray > supercomputer at Lawrence Livermore Labs and wanted to show how smart > he was. It was suggested that he NOT publish his results, but he did > anyway. I couldn't find any links to this event.
> Just because egomaniac scientists can make up worthless SHIT and make > it look like science to laymen, it's still worthless SHIT! Neither > Vulcan nor Planet X exist. No one's ever seen them. The claimed > often MAJOR effects from both are NOT real.
> One of the debris strikes that crashed into the roof of a house (in > Texas as I remember) was from a tree shredder in the neighborhood. > The block with 2 hex holes in it that were too hot to touch. Not from > space at all. All the early reports made it seem likely it was from > crashing satellites or outer space debris!
> Saul Levy
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:35:56 -0800 (PST), vtcapo <vtc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >Saul, > >From the internet: "Dr. Barry Warmkessel received his BA in physics > >from Pomona College and a Ph.D. in physics from Arizona State > >University. He has been involved with the defense and aerospace > >industry for 31 years and he has professional experience in radar, > >communications, electro-optic, electronic warfare (both microwave and > >optical), and airborne reconnaissance". Your right, he is not an > >astronomer, go figure.... None the less, he may be on to something. > >The news in recent months has noted a number of strikes in Canada and > >the US. An object that comes less than 1 LD from earth IS something > >to consider. I am sure these strikes are also occuring around the > >world. All I am interested in, is if there has been a statistically > >significant increase in these occurrences since records have been > >kept.
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Saul, I know this is a doom and gloom site and it does resemble Nancy and Company in many ways. However, the question is, has there been sufficient data collected since the tracking of NEO's began to determine if a significant increase has occurred in NEO activity?
> On Mar 3, 7:42 pm, Saul Levy <saulle...@cox.net> wrote:
> > I got news for you, physicists know NOTHING about astronomy either, > > vt! lmfjao!
> > This was clearly shown at the University of Arizona's Stewart > > Observatory back in the 1970s. They allowed a bunch of physicists and > > other non-astronomers into their masters and Ph.D. degree programs.
> > They knew NO astronomy and drove the teaching staff CRAZY because all > > the basic astronomy they should have already known had to be TAUGHT TO > > THEM! An amateur astronomer knew more than they did! Dr. Bart Bok, > > the Dutch astronomy giant, used to complain about this lack of > > knowledge. He somewhere in that period was director of Stewart O.
> > Meanwhile at Kitt Peak I had one of the young astronomers from India > > tell me how surprised he was to find that I already knew about right > > Ascension and declination to be able to set a telescope on an object! > > Previously they had been hiring support staff who had no knowledge of > > astronomy. I had already been using 31" and 13" telescopes at > > Allegheny O. in Pittsburgh. You can learn this information, but it > > takes TIME!
> > I've worked with a few astronomers who had CRACKPOT ideas. My ex-boss > > at Kitt Peak had one student from Stewart O. who had a burr up his > > butt about a wacko theory my boss told him was wrong. The student > > didn't want to drop his theory and I don't know if that affected his > > career or not. Just listen to Hoax to Hoax if you want more > > supposedly sane scientists with CRACKPOT theories! Very few of them > > are totally SANE!
> > Warmkessel's website is ALL CRACKPOTISM! Vulcan, E.T.s, impacts, DOOM > > AND GLOOM, catastrophes, Earth's bleak future, Maitreya, Yellowstone > > eruptions due to major impacts, Noah's ark, flying saucers, Earth > > changes, crop circles, Christ, Buddah, etc. Most of these things are > > no different than what you find on Nancy Lieder's Planet X pages!
> > He even has an orbit calculator for Vulcan which NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN! > > Gauss developed back in the 19th century a method for calculating > > orbits from THREE observations. What is Warmkessel's orbit based on? > > He's a physicist alright. He even has ERROR limits listed!
> > I assume that Warmkessel has manipulated the tiny errors from REAL > > objects (planets, comets or asteroids usually) and made them into > > Vulcan. Brady did this for Comet Halley in the 1970s and MADE UP a > > Saturn-sized planet! Astronomers actually looked for Brady's planet > > (to prove him wrong!). They found NOTHING! Brady had use of a Cray > > supercomputer at Lawrence Livermore Labs and wanted to show how smart > > he was. It was suggested that he NOT publish his results, but he did > > anyway. I couldn't find any links to this event.
> > Just because egomaniac scientists can make up worthless SHIT and make > > it look like science to laymen, it's still worthless SHIT! Neither > > Vulcan nor Planet X exist. No one's ever seen them. The claimed > > often MAJOR effects from both are NOT real.
> > One of the debris strikes that crashed into the roof of a house (in > > Texas as I remember) was from a tree shredder in the neighborhood. > > The block with 2 hex holes in it that were too hot to touch. Not from > > space at all. All the early reports made it seem likely it was from > > crashing satellites or outer space debris!
> > Saul Levy
> > On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:35:56 -0800 (PST), vtcapo <vtc...@gmail.com> > > wrote:
> > >Saul, > > >From the internet: "Dr. Barry Warmkessel received his BA in physics > > >from Pomona College and a Ph.D. in physics from Arizona State > > >University. He has been involved with the defense and aerospace > > >industry for 31 years and he has professional experience in radar, > > >communications, electro-optic, electronic warfare (both microwave and > > >optical), and airborne reconnaissance". Your right, he is not an > > >astronomer, go figure.... None the less, he may be on to something. > > >The news in recent months has noted a number of strikes in Canada and > > >the US. An object that comes less than 1 LD from earth IS something > > >to consider. I am sure these strikes are also occuring around the > > >world. All I am interested in, is if there has been a statistically > > >significant increase in these occurrences since records have been > > >kept.
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> Saul, > I know this is a doom and gloom site and it does resemble Nancy and > Company in many ways. However, the question is, has there been > sufficient data collected since the tracking of NEO's began to > determine if a significant increase has occurred in NEO activity?
> RT
You are asking a devout pretend-Atheist (aka republican Zionist Nazi rabbi) about science and physics. Do you really think you're getting honest information from such a certified racist bigot?
btw, at least my serious stuff is not doom and gloom.
> On Mar 4, 9:52 am, vtcapo <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Saul, > > I know this is a doom and gloom site and it does resemble Nancy and > > Company in many ways. However, the question is, has there been > > sufficient data collected since the tracking of NEO's began to > > determine if a significant increase has occurred in NEO activity?
> > RT
> You are asking a devout pretend-Atheist (aka republican Zionist Nazi > rabbi) about science and physics. Do you really think you're getting > honest information from such a certified racist bigot?
> btw, at least my serious stuff is not doom and gloom.
> ~ BG
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BG, The question is addressed to all. Do we have sufficient data to determine if NEO's are on the increase?
RT
PS do you guys really hate each other or is it an act??? PPS in any event, it's great entertainment....
> Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance > VERY WRONG! Theysaid it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! > 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 > times or 580,000%!
probably just had their fingers on the wrong row of the calculator keys
mk5000
"You told me you can't match your clothes. Remember that? I confessed that when I laugh sometimes I'm crying. And we sat and didn't talk for half an hour."--ben folds wandering
On Mar 4, 12:08 pm, vtcapo <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The question is addressed to all. Do we have sufficient data to > determine if NEO's are on the increase?
Apparently we don't, because we didn't detect this relatively large DD45 until it was too late to do anything constructive.
As far as I can tell, a great deal of our public funded science is need-to-know or otherwise taboo/nondisclosure rated. However, a search for the public catalog or archive of NEOs shouldn't all that insurmountable. Is that what you are asking of others to do on your behalf?
Without even looking at the catalog of NEO's, I'd say the rate of close encounters has been increasing in numbers and in mass.
>> Hoax to Hoax just described this result, but got the minimum distance >> VERY WRONG! Theysaid it was a 40,000 FOOT miss (less than 8 MILES)! >> 46,478.5 MILES was the actual distance! That's an error of over 5800 >> times or 580,000%!
On Mar 3, 7:01 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It passed One fifth the distance of the moon and about twice as far as > our satellites . Thats very very very close indeed and we only hear > about it AFTER it passes . Not very reassuring.
I said this in another thread and I'll say it here.
What do you expect NASA to do? Make an announcement that a big rock is coming, it PROBABLY won't hit but if it does it could destroy life as we know it? How would that be "reassuring?"
> On Mar 4, 12:08 pm, vtcapo <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The question is addressed to all. Do we have sufficient data to > > determine if NEO's are on the increase?
> Apparently we don't, because we didn't detect this relatively large > DD45 until it was too late to do anything constructive.
> As far as I can tell, a great deal of our public funded science is > need-to-know or otherwise taboo/nondisclosure rated. However, a > search for the public catalog or archive of NEOs shouldn't all that > insurmountable. Is that what you are asking of others to do on your > behalf?
> Without even looking at the catalog of NEO's, I'd say the rate of > close encounters has been increasing in numbers and in mass.
> ~ BG
BG, You guys are the astronomers amateur or otherwise and have been watching the sky. I rely on this and other NG's to help provide me with info if it saves me time. So excuse me for asking. By the way, I did pick up some interesting info on this very question in a different thread, just by asking.
The Holocene Impact Working Group supports the arguement that meteor hits are NOT a rare occurrence.
Astronomers, I'm keeping my mountain property in VT.... I'd start looking, you never know..............2012 and all that.
> On Mar 5, 12:38 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 12:08 pm, vtcapo <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The question is addressed to all. Do we have sufficient data to > > > determine if NEO's are on the increase?
> > Apparently we don't, because we didn't detect this relatively large > > DD45 until it was too late to do anything constructive.
> > As far as I can tell, a great deal of our public funded science is > > need-to-know or otherwise taboo/nondisclosure rated. However, a > > search for the public catalog or archive of NEOs shouldn't all that > > insurmountable. Is that what you are asking of others to do on your > > behalf?
> > Without even looking at the catalog of NEO's, I'd say the rate of > > close encounters has been increasing in numbers and in mass.
> > ~ BG
> BG, > You guys are the astronomers amateur or otherwise and have been > watching the sky. I rely on this and other NG's to help provide me > with info if it saves me time. So excuse me for asking. By the way, I > did pick up some interesting info on this very question in a different > thread, just by asking.
> The Holocene Impact Working Group supports the arguement that meteor > hits are NOT a rare occurrence.
> Astronomers, I'm keeping my mountain property in VT.... I'd start > looking, you never know..............2012 and all that.
> RT
High ground is a safe bet, even if you need to dig yourself a deep hole in that high ground, whereas at least you'll emerge after 2012 or survive whatever else comes our way.
However, it would have been nice if our NASA could have given us a 2 or 3 month heads up on DD45. As I'd said, 7 weeks out, 0.1 degree of a trajectory shift and some of us could have been toast or swimming for our lives, with our FEMA still trying to figure out what just happened.
A good many of us escaped sudden death by the mere cosmic skin of our teeth. That’s how close 2xGSO really is, and to think the skewed orbit from this close encounter may have sealed our coffins shut for the next time. How the hell did it get missed until the last few days, as well as unknown back in Feb1984, and again back in April/ March 1973? (because it’s really not that small or too dark).
The NEO catalog is just of those we know about, with thousands more likely to be added within the next year or so as our ability to detect and track improves. Fortunately, most of the NEOs are not of the Apollo group, meaning they do not ever get inside of our lunar orbit unless something else interacts with their established orbits.
