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Off-World Metallicity and The Next Great Thing / Brad Guth
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Brad Guth
Jan 6, 2012, 1:04:52 PM1/6/12
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The extremely nearby planet Venus is actually the metallicity mother-
load, not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly deficient nor
offering inert matter. Off-World metallicity is simply offering us
the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly profitable
metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment plus
extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be running
out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe options, not
to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus genetic trauma
that’s causing genetic mutations by existing methods that can be
directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon extractions, various
processing activities and methods of forced cultivation and product
distributions for our use and consumption, in order to sustain the
mainstream status quo that is supposedly never responsible for
anything bad that ever happens.
Assuming our planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, the moon isn’t
going to fall on us and that our current or future leaders are not
going to cause WW3 or any other wars to happen, or that our
terrestrial metallicity cache of common and rare metals, minerals,
hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity are never
going to get depleted past the point of no return, the only valid
reason for going off-world is simply for the greater fun, profits and
affording less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment that seems
to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that our planet
has to accommodate billions more of us humans on their way plus coping
with our escalating GW/AGW factor that’s compromising virtually
everything we know and supposedly cherish about our overpopulated
planet as is.
Therefore, going off-world shouldn’t be such a bad thing, especially
when our trusty moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus are each so
locally accessible, and even our NASA/Apollo era proved how downright
passive and oddly inert our moon was to safely land upon and spend
time without any fears of excessive radiation, thermal shock or other
physical risk. In other words, compared to the use of modern-day
stuff, the fairly primitive applied technology for those Apollo fly-by-
rocket landers plus safely accommodating humans and Kodak film was
more than good enough, even though that naked moon offered no
magnetosphere as defending against those fast arriving protons,
neutrons, electrons as well as X-rays and gamma were each non-issues,
plus oddly the surface of our moon wasn’t even the least bit
physically dark nor anticathode worthy (almost as though they’d
unknowingly landed upon an isolated guano island that was easily
sculpted and landscaped to look kind of moon like).
Unlike the colorblind NASA/Apollo era, whereas any physical dark item
such as coal reflects as a white/off-white near monochromatic spectrum
of pastel grays, even though amateurs photographing our physically
dark moon via narrow bandpass optical filters manage to obtain
whatever those otherwise natural but faint or subdued colors/hues of
the various metallicity elements that can be easily recorded with
sufficient color saturation. This method is actually not introducing
false colors or much less using artificially assigned colors, because
all of those mineral colors are exactly true as to their visual and
secondary/recoil hues of their natural reflective visual spectrum,
plus offering whatever UV illuminated elements should represent.
Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
spectrum sensitivity well terrific sensitivity above and below the
human visual spectrum (not to mention portable gamma spectrometry
offering near 10 db better resolution), is where prospecting for
valuable minerals or metallicity elements is going to be relatively
easy, not that vast surface areas are not well enough metallicity
saturated as is. Of course our metallicity colorblind DARPA and NASA
hasn’t been any too keen on telling us what valuable elements are
there to take, just like their not mentioning what the planet Venus
has to offer, seems to be another taboo/nondisclosure policy of need-
to-know or simply obfuscation in order to avoid sharing the public-
funded whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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load, not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly deficient nor
offering inert matter. Off-World metallicity is simply offering us
the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly profitable
metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment plus
extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be running
out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe options, not
to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus genetic trauma
that’s causing genetic mutations by existing methods that can be
directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon extractions, various
processing activities and methods of forced cultivation and product
distributions for our use and consumption, in order to sustain the
mainstream status quo that is supposedly never responsible for
anything bad that ever happens.
Assuming our planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, the moon isn’t
going to fall on us and that our current or future leaders are not
going to cause WW3 or any other wars to happen, or that our
terrestrial metallicity cache of common and rare metals, minerals,
hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity are never
going to get depleted past the point of no return, the only valid
reason for going off-world is simply for the greater fun, profits and
affording less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment that seems
to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that our planet
has to accommodate billions more of us humans on their way plus coping
with our escalating GW/AGW factor that’s compromising virtually
everything we know and supposedly cherish about our overpopulated
planet as is.
Therefore, going off-world shouldn’t be such a bad thing, especially
when our trusty moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus are each so
locally accessible, and even our NASA/Apollo era proved how downright
passive and oddly inert our moon was to safely land upon and spend
time without any fears of excessive radiation, thermal shock or other
physical risk. In other words, compared to the use of modern-day
stuff, the fairly primitive applied technology for those Apollo fly-by-
rocket landers plus safely accommodating humans and Kodak film was
more than good enough, even though that naked moon offered no
magnetosphere as defending against those fast arriving protons,
neutrons, electrons as well as X-rays and gamma were each non-issues,
plus oddly the surface of our moon wasn’t even the least bit
physically dark nor anticathode worthy (almost as though they’d
unknowingly landed upon an isolated guano island that was easily
sculpted and landscaped to look kind of moon like).
Unlike the colorblind NASA/Apollo era, whereas any physical dark item
such as coal reflects as a white/off-white near monochromatic spectrum
of pastel grays, even though amateurs photographing our physically
dark moon via narrow bandpass optical filters manage to obtain
whatever those otherwise natural but faint or subdued colors/hues of
the various metallicity elements that can be easily recorded with
sufficient color saturation. This method is actually not introducing
false colors or much less using artificially assigned colors, because
all of those mineral colors are exactly true as to their visual and
secondary/recoil hues of their natural reflective visual spectrum,
plus offering whatever UV illuminated elements should represent.
Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
spectrum sensitivity well terrific sensitivity above and below the
human visual spectrum (not to mention portable gamma spectrometry
offering near 10 db better resolution), is where prospecting for
valuable minerals or metallicity elements is going to be relatively
easy, not that vast surface areas are not well enough metallicity
saturated as is. Of course our metallicity colorblind DARPA and NASA
hasn’t been any too keen on telling us what valuable elements are
there to take, just like their not mentioning what the planet Venus
has to offer, seems to be another taboo/nondisclosure policy of need-
to-know or simply obfuscation in order to avoid sharing the public-
funded whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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Brad Guth
Jan 6, 2012, 1:45:43 PM1/6/12
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With many terrestrial elements, it seems we are already approaching
“Peak Ore”, and for some rare-earths it has already gotten us a little
past peak-ore because, the cost of obtaining such natural elements has
gotten more complex and spendy than artificially creating them or
simply doing without by having to substitute with other composite
alloys. Iridium happens to be one of those rare-earth elements,
whereas carboneous chrondite meteors and asteroids known as C(4), and
this type most likely includes portions of our naked moon because it’s
acting as such a terrific anticathode for gamma, can be rather highly
saturated enough to be worth going after. No doubt asteroid YU55 is a
C(4), so perhaps it’s no wonder they (NASA/DARPA/JPL/ASU and all
others associated) obfuscated by having never bothered to get us any
gamma spectrometry for estimating its density and subsequent mass for
2005-YU55, because they don’t seem to want private enterprise getting
wild ideas that could seriously pay off, big time.
It has long been speculated that “Most significantly 25% of the
material in the asteroid belt as well as Demos and Phobos, the moons
of Mars, are made of this same material”
“THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM”
http://pw1.netcom.com/~ncoic/meteor.htm
“There is another feature of the C(4). It is 10,000 times richer in
the platinum series metals (platinum, iridium, osmium, gold, silver)
as the richest ores on the earth! The earth was molten long after its
formation. During this period the heavier metals sank to the core
under gravitational influences making them rare on the minable
surface. Because the material in the asteroid belt was never subjected
to gravitational influence these precious metals are homogenous.
Harvesting this God given bonanza would create a paradigm shift in
industry here on earth. Gold would be so abundant that it could be
used for all electrical circuitry. Alloys of enormously hard metals
like osmium and iridium could be used on the wear points of all
industrial equipment for the production of machines that would not
wear out. All of mankind would benefit !! (all except the monopolists
who depend upon creating shortages for their wealth and power).”
“Dr. John Coleman tells of a BILDERBERGER type meeting held in GREAT
BRITAIN in 1968 attended by the lions of world finance including David
Rockefeller and his operatives Henry Kissinger and Zbignew Brezinski.
After a long procession of speakers denouncing the U.S. space program,
the conference chairman concluded with a demand that the U.S. "shut
down its space program" followed by David Rockfeller's assurance that
this would be done. The unparalleled industrial progress that created
APOLLO was interfering with the elitist plans to deindustrialize the
US. Dr. Coleman has not produced the requested minutes of this meeting
but it rings true to me. In 1973 Nixon devastated NASA by cutting the
budget by 2/3 and throwing 2\3 of the scientists out on the street. It
took me 10 years to learn that the fate of the space program that I
was so dedicated to had already been sealed years before I had even
started.”
“An important part of this betrayal was the STRATEGIC DEFENSE
INITIATIVE. This, the most wasteful of all space programs soaked away
funding from the commercial development of space which was its only
purpose.”
http://www.ncoic.com/
http://pw1.netcom.com/~ncoic/index.html
Going off-world for valuable metallicity and even the likes of
carbonado/diamond is just getting a little easier than we’ve been
told, especially when some of these little to large captured asteroids
become temporary moons as orbiting more than sufficiently nearby.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/21/earth-has-other-moons-astronomer-says/
Unfortunately, it seems our NASA has been systemically colorblind,
therefore whatever deep colors/hues of surface metallicity are not
being made available for our investigative review, such as Vesta by
way of Hubble color and then by way of Dawn is a perfectly good
example of how our NASA can’t seem to cure its own nearsighted
colorblind affliction or dysfunction of such limited dynamic range.
Here’s a typical composite of Hubble and Dawn:
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/slide1_image.jpg
So there’s simply no telling if we’re looking at sodium, gold,
platinum, thorium, carbonado or any lump of coal, and apparently our
gamma spectrometry science of mapping the metallicity of Vesta simply
isn’t working. Apparently, the closer we get to something of an
asteroid or moon, the brighter its albedo and the less color/hue
saturations exist, as well as anything UV reactive simply doesn’t
exist, even though modern cameras have considerably better dynamic
range of contrast and colors (including IR to UV) than any Kodak color
film could possibly offer.
Perhaps going after such off-world metallicity is actually a very good
thing, not that digging up and/or excavating our way through another
fraction of a percent of our Eden, plus extensive recycling shouldn’t
get us by (in between all the usual environmental compromises, mostly
negative consequences, international and racial/ethnicity conflicts
that usually involve some degree of faith-based policy, and wars often
related to terrestrial metallicity and hydrocarbons derived from the
very existence of such elements). Thus far we’ve processed through
and/or having excavated and sucked dry roughly .000001% of our planet
as is, and that ten billionths of our planet is only worth 60 trillion
tonnes. However, adding in what we’ve intentionally and accidentally
cleared and/or having cultivated and helped eroded to death is perhaps
worth an all-inclusive 6 quadrillion tonnes (.0001% or 6000 trillion
tonnes) thus far, so perhaps we’ve still got a really long ways to go
before ever reaching that dreaded point of no return, of our having to
meticulously sift through 0.1% of Earth in order to squeeze out those
last drops or cubic meters of hydrocarbons plus extracting those
valuable metallicity elements, that which might not even be possible
without our going below our relatively thin crust, is another good
thousand years of considerable disparity and wars upon wars away.
Perhaps this is why the ruling oligarchs and Rothschilds of our planet
could honestly care less about funding or allowing any such public or
private investments on behalf of off-world expeditions or advancing
applied technology towards those sorts of metallicity goals, because
we still have sufficient terrestrial resources plus easily contrived
shortages to exploit as is.
In addition to the bedrock and innards of whatever our moon has to
offer, CME sputtering is essentially the solar wind enhancing the
surface metallicity, by further darkening plus further enrichment of
our moon. However, those ionized sodium and potassium elements as
having sublimed from within the moon, as solar heated and
electrostatic suspended within that extremely tenuous lunar atmosphere
is naturally what those CMEs and regular solar winds can most easily
excavate and abscond with, especially good at removing any hydrogen
and helium.
http://sirius.bu.edu/aeronomy/solarwind.pdf
The sodium metallicity cloud and its comet like tail of lunar derived
sodium doesn’t fully disperse below 5 Na/cm3 until having been blown
nearly 900,000 km, whereas above the atmospheric scale height of 120 ±
42 kilometers is still the tremendous volume and considerable mass of
Na that has to be sustained and/or replenished within all of this
surrounding plus its unavoidably trailing cloud, is hardly
representing an insignificant loss of this Na.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/241/4866/675.short
“Spectra of the region just above the bright limb of the Moon show
weak emission features that are attributed to resonant scattering of
sunlight from sodium and potassium vapor in the lunar atmosphere. The
maximum omnidirectional emission flux above the bright limb is 3.8 ±
0.4 kilorayleighs for sodium and 1.8 ± 0.4 kiloray-leighs for
potassium. The zenith column densities above the subsolar point are
estimated to be 8 ± 3 x 108 atoms cm-2 for sodium 1.4 ± 0.3 x 108
atoms cm-2 for potassium. Corresponding surface densities are 67 ± 12
atoms cm-3 and 15 ± 3 atoms cm-3, respectively. The scale height for
the sodium atmosphere is 120 ± 42 kilometers, and for potassium 90 ±
20 kilometers, which implies that the effective temperature of the
sodium and potassium is close to the lunar surface temperature. The
sodium density at the south polar region was found to be similar to
that at the subsolar point, indicating wide-spread distribution of
sodium vapor over the lunar surface. The ratio of the density of
sodium to the density of potassium is (6 ± 3) to 1, which is close to
the sodium to potassium ratio in the lunar surface, suggesting that
the atmosphere originates from the vaporization of surface minerals.”
Actually, gold should always be a highly stable lunar element that’s
still going to remain as a very nifty metal that's always in high
demand, because it’s still extremely good for all sorts of terrific
stuff, besides just always looking good it’ll also be kind of hard to
replace with other alloys that are any easier or less spendy to come
by. By rights our physically dark moon should be saturated with its
fair share of gold deposits and otherwise hosting many other valuable
metallicity elements, because any good color image of the physically
dark lunar surface proves that such a terrific assortment of metal
ores do exist, as well as the sodium atmosphere is another dead give
away that our moon has been giving off loads of that metallicity
element for quite some time.
Perhaps the next time we actually walk upon that physically dark and
metallicity saturated moon of ours (no technological sweat according
to our NASA and DARPA Apollo wizards as of 4+ decades ago), that's
unavoidably paramagnetic basalt and highly anticathode worthy, we
should establish some actual interactive science instruments that'll
provide real-time objective science data on demand. There's always a
first time for everything, so why not accomplish our moon and set up
camp, at least using TBMs for going deep inside where it's going to be
perfectly safe and consistently cozy?
We could deploy a lunar qualified version of R2D2 as our LR2D2
telerobotic android geologist scout, having a few mechanical
prospecting tools and science including gamma spectrometry and of
course multiple 100X zoom optical and 16.8e6 pixel imagers that’ll
cover 350 to 1050 nm plus having at least 8 narrow spectrum bandpass
filters or spectrum enhanced saturation channels plus a visual
bandpass limited spectrum filter to work with. Obviously this LR2D2
could be fairly substantial in its volume and mass, powered by a load
of HTP plus solar that’s now capable of 100% efficiency, and otherwise
a small plutonium powered generator, because according to our Apollo
era stipulated that its dusty surface isn’t very deep and traction is
never a problem with such terrific clumping and surface tension to
work with, and those Apollo controlled soft landings haven’t been an
insurmountable fly-by-rocket problem for roughly five decades.
The moon Io is yet another good example of a dynamically active
resource of terrific metallicity that oddly isn’t the least bit
monochromatic according to those Galileo spacecraft images. Even
though its orbit only varies by 3,400 km (a fraction of what our moon
varies 42,840 km) it seems to get tidal modulated enough in places to
more than fry an egg, though on average radiating only 2 w/m2 (roughly
a tenth that of Venus), so there’s no shortages of Io metallicity nor
local energy for processing.
“The scientists have estimated that Io's magma ocean is some 50km (30
miles) thick, and bubbling away at a temperature above 1,200°C. Its
presence under a low-density crust of around 30 to 50km (20 to 30
miles) explains why the moon's volcanoes are dotted all over its
surface, rather than in "localised hotspots" as happens at the
boundaries of Earth's tectonic plates.”
However, if the NWO or OWG is going to become simply a new and
improved force of evil upon evil, whereas only the bully oligarchs and
Rothschilds as mutually competitive robber barons get to decide most
everything, then it's not going to become such a good thing for off-
world metallicity, much less fair and balanced for the other 99.9999%
of us that’ll always get to work hard in order to keep paying for
everything. Perhaps that’s the most important message in those
Georgia Guide Stones, telling us that a maximum of 500 million get to
remain and dominate this planet because that’s all this nearly spent
planet can possibly accommodate as a fully unified world population
without involving social, political and faith-based insurmountable
issues or environmental consequences from excessive human population
and environmental disregard.
I’m always into rethinking, of what little social/political corruption
is left for grabs is kind of the remainders of crumbs within our
mostly public funded cookie jar, because all of those really good
cookies of unpunishable crimes of greed and corruption at the upper
most social/political and faith-based level have already been taken
and consumed by those truly in charge of whomever we elect or appoint,
and clearly some of the most mainstream religion(s) can’t be trusted
to police its own kind. Without some kind of revised future that’ll
have to include off-world resources or else a substantial reduction in
global population, that’s kind of like our terrestrial God being
forever lost, up that fast moving creek without a prayer, and the
longer we wait the greater risk of losing what little we have becomes
a reality.
Perhaps it's past due that we the evil villagers with each of our fist
full of burning sticks should take charge, and if need be storm and
burn down the castles of those evil robber barons oppressing and
misguiding us, because to William Mook and many others, with applied
physics and existing technology this planet of ours can accommodate
billions more without our having to go off-world in seeking greater
riches and/or in further pursuit of even the basics that’ll be
required for sustaining terrestrial life as we know it. Of course the
already rich and powerful could care less, because they honestly think
they’ve got it made no matters what local or global consequences take
place. So, it's kind of the new evil of us village idiots going up
against the old established collective evil(s), and may the best bad
guys win. Of course it’s only the most evil victors that ever get to
interpret and publish their version of history, so that whatever
mistakes or do-overs at public expense can be forgotten and/or
continually blamed on those other evil bad guys that were the losers.
Clearly, it seems only us few good guys of Usenet/newsgroups are the
losers, perhaps because we didn’t get to cheat and obfuscate our way
to the top.
Supposedly, everything about our precious solar system was created at
the exact same time (+/- a few days or at most years), and everything
of metallicity either existed from the terrific molecular/nebula cloud
or was fabricated from those initial start-up reactions and fusions
within our progenitor sun that’s just a little more massive (perhaps
50% greater) than average, because by far the vast majority of stars
seem to be red dwarfs.
So why are those basalt meteorites made of our physically dark moon
(even confirmed as dark and contrasty by LRO) different than the less
metallicity and less paramagnetic basalt rocks of Earth.? And why is
Venus seemingly acting as a newer planet with its higher saturation of
surface thorium and uranium that should nave sunk into the core along
with most other heavy elements?
Because of the vast amount of the nearly empty space between stars
(other than a few wandering/rogue planets, planetoids, their moons and
asteroids), it’s supposedly unlikely for an established solar system
to capture all that much if anything. However, apparently I’m not the
one and only researcher that has recently interpreted the best
available science as to suggesting otherwise.
Considering the range of 1e29 kg to 1e33 kg as star worthy, kinda
makes a lot of stuff count as stars, not to mention those black holes
that either came from something truly big and massive or materialized
from a collective of many massive stars that terminated as a singular
mass. Even brown dwarfs can merge into becoming a red dwarf, so
perhaps we should include those options as well.
Earth-sized worlds (such as Venus) are becoming detectable out to 1000
ly, and there’s no doubt of detecting more of the same further out is
just a matter of tweaking their software and using newer telescopes to
double/triple check. Of course the vast majority of solar systems are
too far away and not going to be sufficiently aligned on edge enough
to even give the best astrophysics/astronomy any shot at detecting
their existence.
In addition to the K-12 mainstream norm of our galaxy hosing several
hundred billion stars, perhaps there’s trillions of those other
smaller stars and by rights we’re naturally talking of allowing for
trillions of perfectly viable planets that by rights should also exist
within our galaxy. In other words, it’s looking as though we have at
the very least 10 times as many red dwarfs as all other stars
combined.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-12/newly-discovered-cache-red-dwarves-triples-number-known-stars-universe
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/03/there-are-possibly-trillions-of-earths-orbiting-red-dwarf-stars-.html
These many dwarf stars are quantified as something less than half the
mass of our sun, and perhaps most of them are only worth a tenth the
mass. This interpretation doesn’t exclude such red dwarfs from
parenting original planets of their own, and any star that’s half or
less mass than our sun is going to last a very long time, thereby
giving its planet(s) a better chance at evolving complex and even
intelligent other life.
If all the stars we’d thought we’d known of amounted to 5e11, you can
safely bet there’s at least another 5e12 as red dwarfs, and perhaps
there’s yet another ten fold as brown dwarfs or large gas giants with
possibly earth-sized moons, making the all inclusive population of our
galaxy worth 5.55e13 if we’re talking all-inclusive from brown dwarfs
to neutron/quasar and black holes. So it’s not very hard to suggest a
probability of discovering sufficiently Earth like or at least
technically adaptable planets that could easily populate our galaxy at
a few trillion, especially numerous when taking all those wandering/
rogue planets, planetoids and their moons from spent stars as having
turned into white dwarfs that lost planets.
Don’t forget that regular as well as wandering/rogue gas giants as sub-
brown-dwarfs could easily host those Earth-sized moons. Also,
supposedly our very own galaxy manages to reincarnate or give birth to
at least 50 and perhaps near a hundred new stars per year, and if
that’s any linear factor of going back in time, represents for every
billion years might suggest that we have in this one galaxy another 50
to 100 billion new stars with planets to work with, times the number
of billion years old this galaxy is. In other words, there’s
absolutely no shortage of stars nor that of Earth-sized planets to
pick from, and our galaxy mass could easily be worth 1.2e43 kg and the
larger Andromeda galaxy worth perhaps half again that much.
If only 0.1% of those Earth-sized planets managed to originate complex
life that turned into something intelligent (which by the way
shouldn’t have to include radio/microwave communications capability),
doesn’t seem to be nearly so dismal or unlikely as we’re being
informed by our colorblind and observationology dysfunctional peers
that have nothing better to do than topic/author stalk in order to
trash and/or disqualify all outsiders, just like GW Bush, Dick Cheney,
most mainstream faith-based cabals or mafias and naturally Hitler had
to do.
We should always keep asking ourselves; Why bother to look any
further than we have to, especially when the extremely nearby planet
Venus seems to suggest all sorts of possibilities in spite of its
environment not being naked dumbfounded Goldilocks approved.
Fortunately, some of us are more than smart enough to deal with that
geothermally toasty environment, although convincing most others stuck
in mainstream naysay status-quo, is clearly not in the cards.
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
“Peak Ore”, and for some rare-earths it has already gotten us a little
past peak-ore because, the cost of obtaining such natural elements has
gotten more complex and spendy than artificially creating them or
simply doing without by having to substitute with other composite
alloys. Iridium happens to be one of those rare-earth elements,
whereas carboneous chrondite meteors and asteroids known as C(4), and
this type most likely includes portions of our naked moon because it’s
acting as such a terrific anticathode for gamma, can be rather highly
saturated enough to be worth going after. No doubt asteroid YU55 is a
C(4), so perhaps it’s no wonder they (NASA/DARPA/JPL/ASU and all
others associated) obfuscated by having never bothered to get us any
gamma spectrometry for estimating its density and subsequent mass for
2005-YU55, because they don’t seem to want private enterprise getting
wild ideas that could seriously pay off, big time.
It has long been speculated that “Most significantly 25% of the
material in the asteroid belt as well as Demos and Phobos, the moons
of Mars, are made of this same material”
“THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM”
http://pw1.netcom.com/~ncoic/meteor.htm
“There is another feature of the C(4). It is 10,000 times richer in
the platinum series metals (platinum, iridium, osmium, gold, silver)
as the richest ores on the earth! The earth was molten long after its
formation. During this period the heavier metals sank to the core
under gravitational influences making them rare on the minable
surface. Because the material in the asteroid belt was never subjected
to gravitational influence these precious metals are homogenous.
Harvesting this God given bonanza would create a paradigm shift in
industry here on earth. Gold would be so abundant that it could be
used for all electrical circuitry. Alloys of enormously hard metals
like osmium and iridium could be used on the wear points of all
industrial equipment for the production of machines that would not
wear out. All of mankind would benefit !! (all except the monopolists
who depend upon creating shortages for their wealth and power).”
“Dr. John Coleman tells of a BILDERBERGER type meeting held in GREAT
BRITAIN in 1968 attended by the lions of world finance including David
Rockefeller and his operatives Henry Kissinger and Zbignew Brezinski.
After a long procession of speakers denouncing the U.S. space program,
the conference chairman concluded with a demand that the U.S. "shut
down its space program" followed by David Rockfeller's assurance that
this would be done. The unparalleled industrial progress that created
APOLLO was interfering with the elitist plans to deindustrialize the
US. Dr. Coleman has not produced the requested minutes of this meeting
but it rings true to me. In 1973 Nixon devastated NASA by cutting the
budget by 2/3 and throwing 2\3 of the scientists out on the street. It
took me 10 years to learn that the fate of the space program that I
was so dedicated to had already been sealed years before I had even
started.”
“An important part of this betrayal was the STRATEGIC DEFENSE
INITIATIVE. This, the most wasteful of all space programs soaked away
funding from the commercial development of space which was its only
purpose.”
http://www.ncoic.com/
http://pw1.netcom.com/~ncoic/index.html
Going off-world for valuable metallicity and even the likes of
carbonado/diamond is just getting a little easier than we’ve been
told, especially when some of these little to large captured asteroids
become temporary moons as orbiting more than sufficiently nearby.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/21/earth-has-other-moons-astronomer-says/
Unfortunately, it seems our NASA has been systemically colorblind,
therefore whatever deep colors/hues of surface metallicity are not
being made available for our investigative review, such as Vesta by
way of Hubble color and then by way of Dawn is a perfectly good
example of how our NASA can’t seem to cure its own nearsighted
colorblind affliction or dysfunction of such limited dynamic range.
Here’s a typical composite of Hubble and Dawn:
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/slide1_image.jpg
So there’s simply no telling if we’re looking at sodium, gold,
platinum, thorium, carbonado or any lump of coal, and apparently our
gamma spectrometry science of mapping the metallicity of Vesta simply
isn’t working. Apparently, the closer we get to something of an
asteroid or moon, the brighter its albedo and the less color/hue
saturations exist, as well as anything UV reactive simply doesn’t
exist, even though modern cameras have considerably better dynamic
range of contrast and colors (including IR to UV) than any Kodak color
film could possibly offer.
Perhaps going after such off-world metallicity is actually a very good
thing, not that digging up and/or excavating our way through another
fraction of a percent of our Eden, plus extensive recycling shouldn’t
get us by (in between all the usual environmental compromises, mostly
negative consequences, international and racial/ethnicity conflicts
that usually involve some degree of faith-based policy, and wars often
related to terrestrial metallicity and hydrocarbons derived from the
very existence of such elements). Thus far we’ve processed through
and/or having excavated and sucked dry roughly .000001% of our planet
as is, and that ten billionths of our planet is only worth 60 trillion
tonnes. However, adding in what we’ve intentionally and accidentally
cleared and/or having cultivated and helped eroded to death is perhaps
worth an all-inclusive 6 quadrillion tonnes (.0001% or 6000 trillion
tonnes) thus far, so perhaps we’ve still got a really long ways to go
before ever reaching that dreaded point of no return, of our having to
meticulously sift through 0.1% of Earth in order to squeeze out those
last drops or cubic meters of hydrocarbons plus extracting those
valuable metallicity elements, that which might not even be possible
without our going below our relatively thin crust, is another good
thousand years of considerable disparity and wars upon wars away.
Perhaps this is why the ruling oligarchs and Rothschilds of our planet
could honestly care less about funding or allowing any such public or
private investments on behalf of off-world expeditions or advancing
applied technology towards those sorts of metallicity goals, because
we still have sufficient terrestrial resources plus easily contrived
shortages to exploit as is.
In addition to the bedrock and innards of whatever our moon has to
offer, CME sputtering is essentially the solar wind enhancing the
surface metallicity, by further darkening plus further enrichment of
our moon. However, those ionized sodium and potassium elements as
having sublimed from within the moon, as solar heated and
electrostatic suspended within that extremely tenuous lunar atmosphere
is naturally what those CMEs and regular solar winds can most easily
excavate and abscond with, especially good at removing any hydrogen
and helium.
http://sirius.bu.edu/aeronomy/solarwind.pdf
The sodium metallicity cloud and its comet like tail of lunar derived
sodium doesn’t fully disperse below 5 Na/cm3 until having been blown
nearly 900,000 km, whereas above the atmospheric scale height of 120 ±
42 kilometers is still the tremendous volume and considerable mass of
Na that has to be sustained and/or replenished within all of this
surrounding plus its unavoidably trailing cloud, is hardly
representing an insignificant loss of this Na.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/241/4866/675.short
“Spectra of the region just above the bright limb of the Moon show
weak emission features that are attributed to resonant scattering of
sunlight from sodium and potassium vapor in the lunar atmosphere. The
maximum omnidirectional emission flux above the bright limb is 3.8 ±
0.4 kilorayleighs for sodium and 1.8 ± 0.4 kiloray-leighs for
potassium. The zenith column densities above the subsolar point are
estimated to be 8 ± 3 x 108 atoms cm-2 for sodium 1.4 ± 0.3 x 108
atoms cm-2 for potassium. Corresponding surface densities are 67 ± 12
atoms cm-3 and 15 ± 3 atoms cm-3, respectively. The scale height for
the sodium atmosphere is 120 ± 42 kilometers, and for potassium 90 ±
20 kilometers, which implies that the effective temperature of the
sodium and potassium is close to the lunar surface temperature. The
sodium density at the south polar region was found to be similar to
that at the subsolar point, indicating wide-spread distribution of
sodium vapor over the lunar surface. The ratio of the density of
sodium to the density of potassium is (6 ± 3) to 1, which is close to
the sodium to potassium ratio in the lunar surface, suggesting that
the atmosphere originates from the vaporization of surface minerals.”
Actually, gold should always be a highly stable lunar element that’s
still going to remain as a very nifty metal that's always in high
demand, because it’s still extremely good for all sorts of terrific
stuff, besides just always looking good it’ll also be kind of hard to
replace with other alloys that are any easier or less spendy to come
by. By rights our physically dark moon should be saturated with its
fair share of gold deposits and otherwise hosting many other valuable
metallicity elements, because any good color image of the physically
dark lunar surface proves that such a terrific assortment of metal
ores do exist, as well as the sodium atmosphere is another dead give
away that our moon has been giving off loads of that metallicity
element for quite some time.
Perhaps the next time we actually walk upon that physically dark and
metallicity saturated moon of ours (no technological sweat according
to our NASA and DARPA Apollo wizards as of 4+ decades ago), that's
unavoidably paramagnetic basalt and highly anticathode worthy, we
should establish some actual interactive science instruments that'll
provide real-time objective science data on demand. There's always a
first time for everything, so why not accomplish our moon and set up
camp, at least using TBMs for going deep inside where it's going to be
perfectly safe and consistently cozy?
We could deploy a lunar qualified version of R2D2 as our LR2D2
telerobotic android geologist scout, having a few mechanical
prospecting tools and science including gamma spectrometry and of
course multiple 100X zoom optical and 16.8e6 pixel imagers that’ll
cover 350 to 1050 nm plus having at least 8 narrow spectrum bandpass
filters or spectrum enhanced saturation channels plus a visual
bandpass limited spectrum filter to work with. Obviously this LR2D2
could be fairly substantial in its volume and mass, powered by a load
of HTP plus solar that’s now capable of 100% efficiency, and otherwise
a small plutonium powered generator, because according to our Apollo
era stipulated that its dusty surface isn’t very deep and traction is
never a problem with such terrific clumping and surface tension to
work with, and those Apollo controlled soft landings haven’t been an
insurmountable fly-by-rocket problem for roughly five decades.
The moon Io is yet another good example of a dynamically active
resource of terrific metallicity that oddly isn’t the least bit
monochromatic according to those Galileo spacecraft images. Even
though its orbit only varies by 3,400 km (a fraction of what our moon
varies 42,840 km) it seems to get tidal modulated enough in places to
more than fry an egg, though on average radiating only 2 w/m2 (roughly
a tenth that of Venus), so there’s no shortages of Io metallicity nor
local energy for processing.
“The scientists have estimated that Io's magma ocean is some 50km (30
miles) thick, and bubbling away at a temperature above 1,200°C. Its
presence under a low-density crust of around 30 to 50km (20 to 30
miles) explains why the moon's volcanoes are dotted all over its
surface, rather than in "localised hotspots" as happens at the
boundaries of Earth's tectonic plates.”
However, if the NWO or OWG is going to become simply a new and
improved force of evil upon evil, whereas only the bully oligarchs and
Rothschilds as mutually competitive robber barons get to decide most
everything, then it's not going to become such a good thing for off-
world metallicity, much less fair and balanced for the other 99.9999%
of us that’ll always get to work hard in order to keep paying for
everything. Perhaps that’s the most important message in those
Georgia Guide Stones, telling us that a maximum of 500 million get to
remain and dominate this planet because that’s all this nearly spent
planet can possibly accommodate as a fully unified world population
without involving social, political and faith-based insurmountable
issues or environmental consequences from excessive human population
and environmental disregard.
I’m always into rethinking, of what little social/political corruption
is left for grabs is kind of the remainders of crumbs within our
mostly public funded cookie jar, because all of those really good
cookies of unpunishable crimes of greed and corruption at the upper
most social/political and faith-based level have already been taken
and consumed by those truly in charge of whomever we elect or appoint,
and clearly some of the most mainstream religion(s) can’t be trusted
to police its own kind. Without some kind of revised future that’ll
have to include off-world resources or else a substantial reduction in
global population, that’s kind of like our terrestrial God being
forever lost, up that fast moving creek without a prayer, and the
longer we wait the greater risk of losing what little we have becomes
a reality.
Perhaps it's past due that we the evil villagers with each of our fist
full of burning sticks should take charge, and if need be storm and
burn down the castles of those evil robber barons oppressing and
misguiding us, because to William Mook and many others, with applied
physics and existing technology this planet of ours can accommodate
billions more without our having to go off-world in seeking greater
riches and/or in further pursuit of even the basics that’ll be
required for sustaining terrestrial life as we know it. Of course the
already rich and powerful could care less, because they honestly think
they’ve got it made no matters what local or global consequences take
place. So, it's kind of the new evil of us village idiots going up
against the old established collective evil(s), and may the best bad
guys win. Of course it’s only the most evil victors that ever get to
interpret and publish their version of history, so that whatever
mistakes or do-overs at public expense can be forgotten and/or
continually blamed on those other evil bad guys that were the losers.
Clearly, it seems only us few good guys of Usenet/newsgroups are the
losers, perhaps because we didn’t get to cheat and obfuscate our way
to the top.
Supposedly, everything about our precious solar system was created at
the exact same time (+/- a few days or at most years), and everything
of metallicity either existed from the terrific molecular/nebula cloud
or was fabricated from those initial start-up reactions and fusions
within our progenitor sun that’s just a little more massive (perhaps
50% greater) than average, because by far the vast majority of stars
seem to be red dwarfs.
So why are those basalt meteorites made of our physically dark moon
(even confirmed as dark and contrasty by LRO) different than the less
metallicity and less paramagnetic basalt rocks of Earth.? And why is
Venus seemingly acting as a newer planet with its higher saturation of
surface thorium and uranium that should nave sunk into the core along
with most other heavy elements?
Because of the vast amount of the nearly empty space between stars
(other than a few wandering/rogue planets, planetoids, their moons and
asteroids), it’s supposedly unlikely for an established solar system
to capture all that much if anything. However, apparently I’m not the
one and only researcher that has recently interpreted the best
available science as to suggesting otherwise.
Considering the range of 1e29 kg to 1e33 kg as star worthy, kinda
makes a lot of stuff count as stars, not to mention those black holes
that either came from something truly big and massive or materialized
from a collective of many massive stars that terminated as a singular
mass. Even brown dwarfs can merge into becoming a red dwarf, so
perhaps we should include those options as well.
Earth-sized worlds (such as Venus) are becoming detectable out to 1000
ly, and there’s no doubt of detecting more of the same further out is
just a matter of tweaking their software and using newer telescopes to
double/triple check. Of course the vast majority of solar systems are
too far away and not going to be sufficiently aligned on edge enough
to even give the best astrophysics/astronomy any shot at detecting
their existence.
In addition to the K-12 mainstream norm of our galaxy hosing several
hundred billion stars, perhaps there’s trillions of those other
smaller stars and by rights we’re naturally talking of allowing for
trillions of perfectly viable planets that by rights should also exist
within our galaxy. In other words, it’s looking as though we have at
the very least 10 times as many red dwarfs as all other stars
combined.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-12/newly-discovered-cache-red-dwarves-triples-number-known-stars-universe
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/03/there-are-possibly-trillions-of-earths-orbiting-red-dwarf-stars-.html
These many dwarf stars are quantified as something less than half the
mass of our sun, and perhaps most of them are only worth a tenth the
mass. This interpretation doesn’t exclude such red dwarfs from
parenting original planets of their own, and any star that’s half or
less mass than our sun is going to last a very long time, thereby
giving its planet(s) a better chance at evolving complex and even
intelligent other life.
If all the stars we’d thought we’d known of amounted to 5e11, you can
safely bet there’s at least another 5e12 as red dwarfs, and perhaps
there’s yet another ten fold as brown dwarfs or large gas giants with
possibly earth-sized moons, making the all inclusive population of our
galaxy worth 5.55e13 if we’re talking all-inclusive from brown dwarfs
to neutron/quasar and black holes. So it’s not very hard to suggest a
probability of discovering sufficiently Earth like or at least
technically adaptable planets that could easily populate our galaxy at
a few trillion, especially numerous when taking all those wandering/
rogue planets, planetoids and their moons from spent stars as having
turned into white dwarfs that lost planets.
Don’t forget that regular as well as wandering/rogue gas giants as sub-
brown-dwarfs could easily host those Earth-sized moons. Also,
supposedly our very own galaxy manages to reincarnate or give birth to
at least 50 and perhaps near a hundred new stars per year, and if
that’s any linear factor of going back in time, represents for every
billion years might suggest that we have in this one galaxy another 50
to 100 billion new stars with planets to work with, times the number
of billion years old this galaxy is. In other words, there’s
absolutely no shortage of stars nor that of Earth-sized planets to
pick from, and our galaxy mass could easily be worth 1.2e43 kg and the
larger Andromeda galaxy worth perhaps half again that much.
If only 0.1% of those Earth-sized planets managed to originate complex
life that turned into something intelligent (which by the way
shouldn’t have to include radio/microwave communications capability),
doesn’t seem to be nearly so dismal or unlikely as we’re being
informed by our colorblind and observationology dysfunctional peers
that have nothing better to do than topic/author stalk in order to
trash and/or disqualify all outsiders, just like GW Bush, Dick Cheney,
most mainstream faith-based cabals or mafias and naturally Hitler had
to do.
We should always keep asking ourselves; Why bother to look any
further than we have to, especially when the extremely nearby planet
Venus seems to suggest all sorts of possibilities in spite of its
environment not being naked dumbfounded Goldilocks approved.
Fortunately, some of us are more than smart enough to deal with that
geothermally toasty environment, although convincing most others stuck
in mainstream naysay status-quo, is clearly not in the cards.
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
it." / Max Planck
Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Jan 6, 2012, 2:15:30 PM1/6/12
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It seems our current and next generations of K-12s are still being
systematically snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return,
because they still don’t seem to realize what good if anything our
physically dark moon even has to offer.
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/id/density.htm
“Most meteorites are ordinary chondrites, and ordinary chondrites
have a density half as much. Most ordinary chondrites are in the range
3.0 to 3.7 g/cm3, which is denser than most terrestrial rocks. For
example, limestone (2.6 g/cm3 or less), quartzite (2.7 g/cm3), and
granite (2.7-2.8 g/cm3) are all common low-density rocks. Some
meteorites have low densities (<3.0 g/cm3), but such meteorites are
rare among meteorites.”
However, if we are to buy into the notion of planetoids like our moon
being formed by an enormous ejection of molten Earth getting tossed
into LEO, and before cooling gathering into an enormous sphere,
whereas we’d be talking of just an hour for the bulk launch of that
mass transfer from Earth to its initial LEO or possibly passing
through GSO, of such molten material to happen and suddenly reform
into a considerable sphere before its surface solidified, might just
as likely involve the relatively hollow creation of a solidified geode
like sphere that should continually gas from deep within its still
molten interior, creating a somewhat inflated hollow geode that allows
the vast bulk of its heavy metallicity elements as being trapped as
saturated within its extremely thick crust. Of course this will
become a very good thing once the mostly telerobotic TBMs are deep
into mining under the surface, whereas eventually they’ll encounter
lower density or even porous rock before encountering any geode
pockets as hollow crystal lined cavities. Of course, seismic 3D sonar
imaging of our moon could have been accomplished in great detail as of
decades ago.
In addition to our extracting perhaps 0.0001% of the moon (7.35e16 kg)
as valuable metallicity plus carbonado/black-diamond and rare elements
such as He3, it seems slowing our moon’s rotation from 27.3 days to
365.24 days is obviously going to become another one of those complex
requirements for getting it relocated to the Earth L1, where it’ll
start doing us the most good by roughly 3% shading Earth from our less
than ideal sun.
It seems those metallicity colors are not actually hidden from view,
although ignored and/or obfuscated by our colorblind NASA and their
contracted teams of supposed wizards that don’t seem to be the least
bit interested in sharing what our public-funded science has paid them
for. Instead they seem to be holding out on us, by utilizing this
science as leverage for their own job security, and clearly that’s
called extortion, and it’s kind of punishable as an act of treason
because their actions of hoarding tend to affect all of us in a very
negative way.
On Dec 11, 10:15 am, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
“I can't think of anything that would show more color if we were
closer than we can see through a telescope (except for the obvious
case where the color structure is finer than the resolution of the
telescope. Did you have some particular class of object in mind here?”
“except for the obvious case where the color structure is finer than
the resolution of the telescope”
Gee whiz, perhaps this kind of visual interpretation should apply to
our physically dark moon that’s actually quite surface exposed as
metallicity saturated and rather easily digital color image recorded
as such. Of course using narrow color bandpass filters does this
extra saturated natural color rendition of our physically dark moon
even better.
From the distance of Mars, to the naked eye our planet/Earth looks
like a rather pastel bluish dot, whereas that bluish hue has
absolutely nothing to do with the metallicity of Earth, as with
offering no suggestion of any darker substances or much other than
offering its extremely pail bluish UV reactive atmospheric color. The
only reason why our moon looks white or pastel/monochrome light gray
is because it has no significant atmosphere and is otherwise a mostly
physically dark surface of all that metallicity saturated and
paramagnetic basalt plus solar wind darkened material that's being
kept near dark as coal, is what reflects pretty much all possible
colors as a full spectrum composite of near white, especially when
it’s surrounded by the true black of space. If we could see IR is
where that physically dark moon would be rather extremely vibrant
(perhaps too vibrant to look directly at without sunglasses).
Asking ourselves; what sort of color(s) other than a visual
monochrome spectrum of mostly off-whites or pastel carbon grays,
should a nearly dark as coal surface of complex metallicity reflect?
It’s not just our moon that’s monochromatic:
Mars glass tunnels? (without color makes this one a tough call)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_marte/marte39_27.jpg
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/marte/esp_marte_39.htm
“What is now abundantly clear is that the system inside NASA/JPL/ASU
is so poisoned with corruption that nothing short of complete
oversight and entirely new standards of accountability can be
contemplated as a solution to this problem. Until that happens, no one
inside the THEMIS team had better so much as lose their parking place
as a consequence of all of this.”
Surface exposed metallicity always has unavoidable color/hue issues
that even the most politically and faith-based conditional physics
that’s apparently genetically colorblind whenever it comes down to our
moon, can’t forever hide from the rest of us normal humans, and it’s
especially exposed to us by the naked environment of our physically
dark moon (best detected from orbit since nothing of our Apollo era
color seemed to work, much less having recorded anything the least bit
UV reactive). So, perhaps the next great thing will have to be
getting our basic awareness of metallicity color perceptions and that
of its magnetic susceptibility up to snuff.
Of course beyond our human limited visual perceptions there’s gamma
spectrometry that’ll detect surface as well as deeper bedrock
saturations of metallicity, and we’ve certainly had that capability as
of during and ever since our Apollo era. With terrific improvements
in our gamma spectrometry resolution and sensitivity, there’s really
no excuse that I can think of, as to why we haven’t better quantified
and having published those public-funded metallicity results of our
physically dark moon, for all to see.
A natural but obviously color/hue saturation enhanced image (meaning
not actually faked or artificially colorized, but just allowing all
those natural metallicity colors equally boosted) of our physically
dark moon, thereby showing us what sort of minerals or raw metallicity
elements exist upon that physically dark and mostly basalt surface.
Of course, even as of our early NASA/Apollo era utilizing Kodak color
film could have easily accomplished this extra color saturation with
at least ten fold better resolution, obtained as each and every
mission passed gradually through the earth-moon L1 (roughly 60,000 km
above the surface), though of course that sort of terrific science
photo-op never seemed to happen.
http://deepskycolors.com/pics/astro/2008/10/10-12-2008_MoonColor.jpg
Or perhaps this next one could have been obtained from most any
Apollo orbit at 100 km and offering at least 100 fold better
resolution, which again should have been easily accomplished by
pushing color saturation and developing their 100 ASA/ISO film as 25
ASA/ISO.
http://www.astronomie.be/christophe.behaegel/Moon%20in%20Color/slides/moon%20color%20satu.jpg
Instead of K12s and others learning about the various metallicity
elements of our physically dark and naked moon, that should have
offered loads of physically dark color naturals as well as unavoidably
recording those UV reactive bluish, purple and somewhat violet colors,
we keep getting this extremely pastel kind of near monochromatic
grayish terrain that offers a rather terrific albedo that even their
very own LRO mission still can’t seem to reconcile.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Apollo_15_Craters_Carmichael_and_Hill.jpg
Apparently our physically dark moon is the one and only off-world
location that gets to have a remarkably brighter albedo rating (even
along with using a first rate polarized optical element), as well as
physically becomes a whole lot smoother eroded and somehow loses its
color/hue saturations as well as UV reactive secondary fluorescent
colors of whatever metallicity/minerals as the closer you get to it,
so our moon and everything of those six perfection Apollo missions
must have been almost entirely visual spectrum color-blinded plus
otherwise UV inert, because after 5 previous tries it seems they plus
every possible talent and expertise of Kodak and Zeiss still couldn’t
seem to get it right.
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-140-21367HR.jpg
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/images17.html#MagE
Of course this next one of the NASA/Apollo monochromatic moon is
totally bogus, though it clearly demonstrates how such photographics
can be faked and sold off as the real thing, even though it was
technically impossible for Earth to be that low to the horizon and
otherwise depicting such a lander with hardly any full-shade contrast
issues that should have been technically impossible.
http://moonpans.com/prints/wall40_A17eva3_earth.jpg
http://moonpans.com/posters/
http://moonpans.com/
And we still have this infamous “Doble11” image that was initially
created by NASA, officially hyped and sold as an autographed certified
image which further proves the existing Kodak and fellow FUD-master
expertise of that era was virtually undetectable as being faked. In
other words, absolutely anything could be added or subtracted without
the least bit of forensic discovery risk or science compromise.
http://lk.astronautilus.pl/inne/fun/doble11.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/Doble11.JPG
Apparently our NASA wants all of us to dial down the color saturation
on our computers and HDTV sets, so as to see and only interpret
everything in a monochromatic form of colorless gray-tone images,
perhaps so that we don’t have to bother wondering about what sort of
materials or raw elements are being imaged, nor taking into account
the light source spectrum that tends to offer those pesky secondary/
recoil colors in addition to its UV and IR components.
I’m certainly not the only diehard critic that still has photographic
interpretation related issues with our “Apollo image anomalies” and
their still secretive/nondisclosure mission related technology that
others can’t seem to replicate to save their soul, although I seem to
be unique in pointing out their unusually bright albedo and those
extremely low contrast issues (with obvious FOV reference items to
objectively calibrate by), along with the rather smooth/rounded-off
terrain of our naked moon having such total absence of metallicity/
mineral colors, plus the exclusion of all UV secondary/recoil
fluorescent hues. Also, apparently God turned off the cosmic gamma,
as well as having nullified cosmic and solar X-rays in addition to
having nullified all local radioactive metallicity factors for each
and every one of those Apollo missions, so that their Kodak film was
never at risk (eliminating anticathode physics is actually a rather
nifty trick, not hat a little gamma and X-ray dosage can be survived
as long as their exposure time was limited). Remember that upon our
naked and highly electrostatic charged moon that’s also nicely
paramagnetic due to the greater metallicity in its basalt, there is
essentially no local radiation attenuation or magical exclusion from
local radioactive elements or from the very same cosmic and solar
gauntlet that our magnetosphere and Van Allen belts get to deal with,
plus gathering extra dosage because of whatever the electrostatic
charge and gravity manages to hold onto, isn’t exactly helping.
By not having interactive science instruments on the moon is a primary
reason why we still can’t seem to objectively figure out how it was
accomplished and to what extent that environment can be survived by
private individuals going after those local elements (including its
considerable uranium and thorium deposits). So it’s quite obvious and
perfectly clear that our public-funded DARPA, NASA and pretty much
everything the least bit Apollo era related isn’t going to lift a
public-funded finger as to further researching and/or exploiting the
terrific metallicity of our moon, nor much less that of the extremely
nearby planet Venus.
If you happen to have a typically mainstream closed mindset (as per
requirement of that nondisclosure policy you’ve contracted yourself
to), then don't even bother yourself to constructively look at Venus
unless you do not mind discovering what your government and their
insider army of public-funded peers, contractors and FUD-masters
hasn’t been willing to tell us about our paramagnetic moon and
otherwise about such a nearby planet of terrific potential that’s so
geothermally active and metallicity worthy.
systematically snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no return,
because they still don’t seem to realize what good if anything our
physically dark moon even has to offer.
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/id/density.htm
“Most meteorites are ordinary chondrites, and ordinary chondrites
have a density half as much. Most ordinary chondrites are in the range
3.0 to 3.7 g/cm3, which is denser than most terrestrial rocks. For
example, limestone (2.6 g/cm3 or less), quartzite (2.7 g/cm3), and
granite (2.7-2.8 g/cm3) are all common low-density rocks. Some
meteorites have low densities (<3.0 g/cm3), but such meteorites are
rare among meteorites.”
However, if we are to buy into the notion of planetoids like our moon
being formed by an enormous ejection of molten Earth getting tossed
into LEO, and before cooling gathering into an enormous sphere,
whereas we’d be talking of just an hour for the bulk launch of that
mass transfer from Earth to its initial LEO or possibly passing
through GSO, of such molten material to happen and suddenly reform
into a considerable sphere before its surface solidified, might just
as likely involve the relatively hollow creation of a solidified geode
like sphere that should continually gas from deep within its still
molten interior, creating a somewhat inflated hollow geode that allows
the vast bulk of its heavy metallicity elements as being trapped as
saturated within its extremely thick crust. Of course this will
become a very good thing once the mostly telerobotic TBMs are deep
into mining under the surface, whereas eventually they’ll encounter
lower density or even porous rock before encountering any geode
pockets as hollow crystal lined cavities. Of course, seismic 3D sonar
imaging of our moon could have been accomplished in great detail as of
decades ago.
In addition to our extracting perhaps 0.0001% of the moon (7.35e16 kg)
as valuable metallicity plus carbonado/black-diamond and rare elements
such as He3, it seems slowing our moon’s rotation from 27.3 days to
365.24 days is obviously going to become another one of those complex
requirements for getting it relocated to the Earth L1, where it’ll
start doing us the most good by roughly 3% shading Earth from our less
than ideal sun.
It seems those metallicity colors are not actually hidden from view,
although ignored and/or obfuscated by our colorblind NASA and their
contracted teams of supposed wizards that don’t seem to be the least
bit interested in sharing what our public-funded science has paid them
for. Instead they seem to be holding out on us, by utilizing this
science as leverage for their own job security, and clearly that’s
called extortion, and it’s kind of punishable as an act of treason
because their actions of hoarding tend to affect all of us in a very
negative way.
On Dec 11, 10:15 am, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
“I can't think of anything that would show more color if we were
closer than we can see through a telescope (except for the obvious
case where the color structure is finer than the resolution of the
telescope. Did you have some particular class of object in mind here?”
“except for the obvious case where the color structure is finer than
the resolution of the telescope”
Gee whiz, perhaps this kind of visual interpretation should apply to
our physically dark moon that’s actually quite surface exposed as
metallicity saturated and rather easily digital color image recorded
as such. Of course using narrow color bandpass filters does this
extra saturated natural color rendition of our physically dark moon
even better.
From the distance of Mars, to the naked eye our planet/Earth looks
like a rather pastel bluish dot, whereas that bluish hue has
absolutely nothing to do with the metallicity of Earth, as with
offering no suggestion of any darker substances or much other than
offering its extremely pail bluish UV reactive atmospheric color. The
only reason why our moon looks white or pastel/monochrome light gray
is because it has no significant atmosphere and is otherwise a mostly
physically dark surface of all that metallicity saturated and
paramagnetic basalt plus solar wind darkened material that's being
kept near dark as coal, is what reflects pretty much all possible
colors as a full spectrum composite of near white, especially when
it’s surrounded by the true black of space. If we could see IR is
where that physically dark moon would be rather extremely vibrant
(perhaps too vibrant to look directly at without sunglasses).
Asking ourselves; what sort of color(s) other than a visual
monochrome spectrum of mostly off-whites or pastel carbon grays,
should a nearly dark as coal surface of complex metallicity reflect?
It’s not just our moon that’s monochromatic:
Mars glass tunnels? (without color makes this one a tough call)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_marte/marte39_27.jpg
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/marte/esp_marte_39.htm
“What is now abundantly clear is that the system inside NASA/JPL/ASU
is so poisoned with corruption that nothing short of complete
oversight and entirely new standards of accountability can be
contemplated as a solution to this problem. Until that happens, no one
inside the THEMIS team had better so much as lose their parking place
as a consequence of all of this.”
Surface exposed metallicity always has unavoidable color/hue issues
that even the most politically and faith-based conditional physics
that’s apparently genetically colorblind whenever it comes down to our
moon, can’t forever hide from the rest of us normal humans, and it’s
especially exposed to us by the naked environment of our physically
dark moon (best detected from orbit since nothing of our Apollo era
color seemed to work, much less having recorded anything the least bit
UV reactive). So, perhaps the next great thing will have to be
getting our basic awareness of metallicity color perceptions and that
of its magnetic susceptibility up to snuff.
Of course beyond our human limited visual perceptions there’s gamma
spectrometry that’ll detect surface as well as deeper bedrock
saturations of metallicity, and we’ve certainly had that capability as
of during and ever since our Apollo era. With terrific improvements
in our gamma spectrometry resolution and sensitivity, there’s really
no excuse that I can think of, as to why we haven’t better quantified
and having published those public-funded metallicity results of our
physically dark moon, for all to see.
A natural but obviously color/hue saturation enhanced image (meaning
not actually faked or artificially colorized, but just allowing all
those natural metallicity colors equally boosted) of our physically
dark moon, thereby showing us what sort of minerals or raw metallicity
elements exist upon that physically dark and mostly basalt surface.
Of course, even as of our early NASA/Apollo era utilizing Kodak color
film could have easily accomplished this extra color saturation with
at least ten fold better resolution, obtained as each and every
mission passed gradually through the earth-moon L1 (roughly 60,000 km
above the surface), though of course that sort of terrific science
photo-op never seemed to happen.
http://deepskycolors.com/pics/astro/2008/10/10-12-2008_MoonColor.jpg
Or perhaps this next one could have been obtained from most any
Apollo orbit at 100 km and offering at least 100 fold better
resolution, which again should have been easily accomplished by
pushing color saturation and developing their 100 ASA/ISO film as 25
ASA/ISO.
http://www.astronomie.be/christophe.behaegel/Moon%20in%20Color/slides/moon%20color%20satu.jpg
Instead of K12s and others learning about the various metallicity
elements of our physically dark and naked moon, that should have
offered loads of physically dark color naturals as well as unavoidably
recording those UV reactive bluish, purple and somewhat violet colors,
we keep getting this extremely pastel kind of near monochromatic
grayish terrain that offers a rather terrific albedo that even their
very own LRO mission still can’t seem to reconcile.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Apollo_15_Craters_Carmichael_and_Hill.jpg
Apparently our physically dark moon is the one and only off-world
location that gets to have a remarkably brighter albedo rating (even
along with using a first rate polarized optical element), as well as
physically becomes a whole lot smoother eroded and somehow loses its
color/hue saturations as well as UV reactive secondary fluorescent
colors of whatever metallicity/minerals as the closer you get to it,
so our moon and everything of those six perfection Apollo missions
must have been almost entirely visual spectrum color-blinded plus
otherwise UV inert, because after 5 previous tries it seems they plus
every possible talent and expertise of Kodak and Zeiss still couldn’t
seem to get it right.
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-140-21367HR.jpg
http://next.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/images17.html#MagE
Of course this next one of the NASA/Apollo monochromatic moon is
totally bogus, though it clearly demonstrates how such photographics
can be faked and sold off as the real thing, even though it was
technically impossible for Earth to be that low to the horizon and
otherwise depicting such a lander with hardly any full-shade contrast
issues that should have been technically impossible.
http://moonpans.com/prints/wall40_A17eva3_earth.jpg
http://moonpans.com/posters/
http://moonpans.com/
And we still have this infamous “Doble11” image that was initially
created by NASA, officially hyped and sold as an autographed certified
image which further proves the existing Kodak and fellow FUD-master
expertise of that era was virtually undetectable as being faked. In
other words, absolutely anything could be added or subtracted without
the least bit of forensic discovery risk or science compromise.
http://lk.astronautilus.pl/inne/fun/doble11.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/Doble11.JPG
Apparently our NASA wants all of us to dial down the color saturation
on our computers and HDTV sets, so as to see and only interpret
everything in a monochromatic form of colorless gray-tone images,
perhaps so that we don’t have to bother wondering about what sort of
materials or raw elements are being imaged, nor taking into account
the light source spectrum that tends to offer those pesky secondary/
recoil colors in addition to its UV and IR components.
I’m certainly not the only diehard critic that still has photographic
interpretation related issues with our “Apollo image anomalies” and
their still secretive/nondisclosure mission related technology that
others can’t seem to replicate to save their soul, although I seem to
be unique in pointing out their unusually bright albedo and those
extremely low contrast issues (with obvious FOV reference items to
objectively calibrate by), along with the rather smooth/rounded-off
terrain of our naked moon having such total absence of metallicity/
mineral colors, plus the exclusion of all UV secondary/recoil
fluorescent hues. Also, apparently God turned off the cosmic gamma,
as well as having nullified cosmic and solar X-rays in addition to
having nullified all local radioactive metallicity factors for each
and every one of those Apollo missions, so that their Kodak film was
never at risk (eliminating anticathode physics is actually a rather
nifty trick, not hat a little gamma and X-ray dosage can be survived
as long as their exposure time was limited). Remember that upon our
naked and highly electrostatic charged moon that’s also nicely
paramagnetic due to the greater metallicity in its basalt, there is
essentially no local radiation attenuation or magical exclusion from
local radioactive elements or from the very same cosmic and solar
gauntlet that our magnetosphere and Van Allen belts get to deal with,
plus gathering extra dosage because of whatever the electrostatic
charge and gravity manages to hold onto, isn’t exactly helping.
By not having interactive science instruments on the moon is a primary
reason why we still can’t seem to objectively figure out how it was
accomplished and to what extent that environment can be survived by
private individuals going after those local elements (including its
considerable uranium and thorium deposits). So it’s quite obvious and
perfectly clear that our public-funded DARPA, NASA and pretty much
everything the least bit Apollo era related isn’t going to lift a
public-funded finger as to further researching and/or exploiting the
terrific metallicity of our moon, nor much less that of the extremely
nearby planet Venus.
If you happen to have a typically mainstream closed mindset (as per
requirement of that nondisclosure policy you’ve contracted yourself
to), then don't even bother yourself to constructively look at Venus
unless you do not mind discovering what your government and their
insider army of public-funded peers, contractors and FUD-masters
hasn’t been willing to tell us about our paramagnetic moon and
otherwise about such a nearby planet of terrific potential that’s so
geothermally active and metallicity worthy.
Brad Guth
Jan 6, 2012, 2:28:49 PM1/6/12
to
I’m thinking we’re seriously missing out on a great deal of platinum,
iridium, gold, silver plus those multiple other rare-earths are really
only limited or getting somewhat scarce and even artificially hoarded
here on Earth, whereas upon our moon and especially the extremely
nearby planet Venus is hardly going to be deficient of such
metallicity. With essentially unlimited and actually clean renewable
energy that’s already existing as is, for exploiting our physically
dark moon and especially of the planet Venus that’s still so
geologically active (surface age of something less than 300 million
years), means that at least the necessary energy for those
explorations, extraction, processing and export of such valuable
metallicity shouldn’t be all that problematic. Of course it’ll
involve spendy technology, but there’s no shortage of wealth to pay
for any of that once this ball gets rolling.
This future off-world version of mining what we call rare earths or
even common ore represents a terrific metallicity gold-rush era of
long-term prosperity that could make gold, platinum and even diamonds
too common and perhaps even eventually too cheap to hoard, so that
kind of puts those oligarchs of DeBeers, China and Rothschilds in a
rather poor global market devaluation situation, plus further loss of
authority over the rest of us that once again will become capable of
paying our own way, and then some. Naturally the well established
defenders of our public funded and faith-based mainstream status-quo
would certainly do whatever it takes for keeping such off-world
resources as taboo, forbidden or unattainable in order to sustain
their terrestrial hoarding and artificial scarcity leverage they have
on us. Imagine what dumping a thousand tonnes of platinum or gold
onto the global market would do to its terrestrial value, or even
those elements of radium, rhodium and thorium are not exactly dirt
cheap.
Even though initially spendy for exploiting via such off-world mining,
whereas the positive/constructive tradeoffs seem rather good, instead
of continually impacting our terrestrial environment and risking human
lives it’ll mostly involve robotic excavating, processing and somewhat
automated shipments back to Earth that will likely make those previous
terrestrial gold-rush eras seem like primitive practice dry runs. Off-
world basics of mining carbonado/diamond and even common ores of iron
plus those high concentrations of titanium as well as extracting
thorium, uranium and many other heavy elements are not exactly of
insignificant value to us, and getting especially valuable when
terrestrial resources are either running on near empty or just getting
too artificially inflated and/or too politically and human life risky
to obtain, plus otherwise hoarded and artificially overvalued by those
within upper most 0.0001% (7000 individuals). For example, those
Canadian oil-sands represent a negative energy coefficient factor once
everything gets taken into account, not to mention their horrific
environment impact that has to include more than doubling the carbon
footprint per unit of energy, and otherwise the fracking of deep shale
in order to extract natural gas that has multiple impurities to
process out and involves multiple environmental consequences (all of
which being negative) is also not exactly a viable energy alternative
compared to the relatively failsafe thorium fueled reactors that we
should have been going full steam ahead with as of more than a decade
ago (instead, we get to go to war that costing us twice again as much
in addition to causing horrific trauma plus the ongoing collateral of
making folks dead).
In addition to discovering and exploiting a treasure trove of minerals
or rare element wealth, we should also consider that there are perhaps
safer planets or moons that humanity and all other forms of complex
biodiversity might actually better survive those future asteroid
encounters of the lithobraking impact kind. It’s also understood that
even fast moving molecular/nebula clouds of sufficient metallicity can
become downright lethal to surface life as we know it (such as when
the nearby Sirius B terminated into a white dwarf), as well as our own
sun is perfectly capable of tossing a fast 1e14 kg halo CME at us,
which would easily penetrate our natural global defenses and thereby
cause great amounts of damage to our less than robust infrastructure
(including satellite damage could be rather extensive), though
fortunately and lucky for us that most nasty CMEs have been under 5e13
kg, seldom exceeding 2000 km/s nor having been directed at us.
However, something of good mass (such as a large asteroid or small
planetoid) directly impacting our sun could easily cause a 1e15 kg
CME.
We also do not have forever, because as those Sirius stars close in on
us, their Kuiper belt and considerable Oort cloud of numerous items of
good size and mass could easily interact with our solar system,
including the increasing odds of perturbing something of our own solar
system into impacting us or our sun. Without the likes of JWST along
with a StarShade, we don’t even have a good method of detecting such
icy threats, much less the necessary robust infrastructure with
reserves of most everything it’ll take in order to survive our next
cosmic encounter of the lithobraking impact kind. I’m absolutely
certain if those dinosaurs knew of and had prepared for the worse,
that many of their species would still be alive today, so it would be
a good thing for us to know of any pending doom and gloom.
With certainty, the mostly geothermally made toasty planet Venus
offers terrific potential of becoming safer than Earth when it comes
down to surviving a truly nasty halo CME, plus better situated and
greater shielded as for fending off cosmic energy and those passing
molecular/nebula clouds of any great metallicity, because that’s
exactly what an extremely dense atmosphere that’s continually
replenished from within kind of does. Even asteroids focused upon
impacting Venus are going to get their arrival moderated down to a
dull roar due to the terrific density of its thick atmosphere, whereas
our nearly naked Earth is eventually going to get seriously nailed at
near full velocity. The mostly geothermally heated surface of Venus
is simply better protected from solar and cosmic radiation, as well as
whatever local radioactive deposits are more than a hundred fold
better shielded and/or attenuated by way of the given density of that
mostly CO2 atmosphere. Of course there’s always a systemic risk in
doing most anything on or off-world, however the payback of mining
asteroids plus that of extracting valuable elements from our
physically dark moon as well as going for the extremely nearby planet
Venus seems to suggest a way better investment payback than our
government agencies and their contracted (public funded) partners have
been allowing us to realize.
Heavy metallicity saturated asteroids like YU55 are a dime a dozen, so
to speak. This is simply a perfectly fair cost or investment analogy
relative to the greater worth of their metallicity plus offering a few
off-world OASIS/gateway considerations that could become real handy.
For example, our second moon/asteroid Cruithne would make a very good
outpost/gateway and fuel depot/OASIS, although setting up Venus L2
would certainly be much cooler, stable and reliably passing within 100
LD every 19 months. Even LiftPort is officially doing their LSEI
version of my LSE-CM/ISS (lunar space elevator with its enormous
counter mass hosting its international space station outpost/oasis/
gateway, plus having its secondary tethered science and energy
transfer platform reaching to within 6r of Earth), though LSEI or even
my LSE-CM/ISS is still not nearly as ambitious as relocating our moon
to Earth L1.
I could imagine processing through not more than 10% from any given
asteroid is going to become worth trillions, or in the case of our
moon taking but 0.0001% (7.35e16 kg) could easily represent a hundred
million trillion ($1360/kg), or even worth a billion trillion ($13,600/
kg). Obviously extracting a millionth of the metallicity mass from
our moon couldn’t possibly hurt a damn thing, other than leaving
excavated tunnels within that robust paramagnetic basalt that can be
reutilized as future habitats and off-world infrastructure by way of
TBMs clearing out 10% of lunar volume (2.2e18 m3) from within or
underneath that thick and fully fused paramagnetic basalt crust.
(that’s only providing 220e6 m3 of extremely safe underground habitat
for each of ten billion of us, or 2.2e9 m3 for one billion of us, and
those lunar TBM tailings or spoils from such extensive tunneling can
just get piled up on the surface or dumped into nearby craters for
future processing)
Gold is currently at $60K/kg (should be worth at least $64K/kg by
2012), and we're being informed that terrestrial deposits likely had
something to do with asteroid impacts. I do believe the moon provides
ample evidence of a rather considerable number of asteroid impacts,
and there are certainly more spendy elements than gold, such as the
value of bulk radium (Ra226) can easily fetch $128M/kg (I’ve found
other sources as having specified a production cost of $75M/kg,
although its artificial scarcity and hoarding can easily double that).
‘Today, because of simplified methods of production, the market value
of a gram is $70,000. This means that one ounce of radium would cost
$1,960,000. The New York State Hospital at Buffalo recently bought
$300,000 worth of radium at that rate. Its records show that 800
persons have been cured of cancer since its use there. The invention
of radium emanation apparatus has helped the cause immensely.”
Ra226 at $75K/g and with market profiteers hording radium for medical
and research use, including their artificial rare-earth scarcity
charge of $1K/mg of medical dosage is a market value of $1B/kg,
compared to the nearly worthless element of platinum in bulk is only
good for $54K/kg. Besides various bulk volumes of rare metallicity,
there’s also a cache of He3 for fusion energy applications, and of
course extracting He3 along with water and oxygen as byproducts of
processing lunar basalt bedrock shouldn’t be exactly worthless, and
otherwise I can’t hardly imagine our moon or Venus without radium or
plutonium when they each seem to have indicated as having more than
their fair share of uranium and thorium.
He3 as derived from terrestrial resources is currently pegged as worth
$4M/kg, although that price could easily tank below $1M/kg or less if
it were simply obtained from natural gas that’s still wasting the vast
bulk of it along with venting precious helium.
http://www.lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Helium#Value_of_Lunar_Heliu...
We have consistently disregard and essentially vented all the He3 in
our natural gas, just like we’ve ignored most all the He4 from the
very get-go. At 5 cents/kwhr makes He3 worth $3B/tonne, and with good
automation for obtaining He3 from natural gas should have easily
driven that terrestrial value down below $1B/tonne, and exporting He3
from our moon shouldn’t be all that costly, as long as it’s not the
one and only extracted element. However, a low density asteroid/
planetoid like Cruithne of 1.3e14 kg and even a likely heavy
metallicity density YU55 should also be loaded with He3.
Radium that gives us radon gas is actually a decay byproduct or
secondary element of going after uranium and thorium, as well as
radium that’s contained in spent nuclear fuels (especially found in
MOX, and of course that element of plutonium as a metal being worth
$11M/kg isn’t exactly insignificant value). Of course terrestrial
hydrocarbon fuels have always had trace amounts of radioactive
elements including plutonium and radium, whereas essentially all of
that hydrocarbon laced with elements like plutonium and radium gets
tossed into the environment. (lucky us, and don’t even bother to ask
how much helium gets vented, because you’ll only get yourself
seriously upset or possibly concerned enough to actually do something
about it)
Of course, going off-world for just one specific element as obtained
from our physically dark moon or from Venus would be downright silly
and spendy as hell, especially silly when so many other valuable
metallicity elements plus water, oxygen, hydrocarbons and He3 exist.
William Mook has been telling us for years, and keeps telling us why
and how to go about gathering or rounding up, mining and processing
asteroids. Right now with existing TBM applied technology there are
somewhat limited metallicity deposits (especially of rare earths)
except much deeper within our planet, whereas our going off-world
seems kind of unlimited, especially when considering what our moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus should have to offer. Thereby
investing a trillion to capture a given asteroid and setting up those
mostly robotic methods of mining, processing and exporting is less
than a drop of financial investment in the otherwise overflowing
buckets of investment returns, and no doubt those smarter than us ETs
would naturally have known this. Of course we don’t have to bother
with capturing the asteroid/planetoid Selene that’s worth 7.35e22 kg
of raw elements, because it’s already parked in a relatively stable
orbit, as well as ideal for accommodating the LSE-CM/ISS (aka Lunar
Space Elevator to/from its L1) that I’ve mentioned only a few thousand
times.
Even those relatively common terrestrial elements such as iron have
been causing absolutely horrific environmental trauma and terrain
carnage, not to mention the energy taken for the mining excavations,
heavy transport, processing and finished product distribution, plus
some metals having caused a few social/political tensions that tend to
get some of us killed. Therefore, obtaining such metallicity elements
from a passing asteroid that’s captured, or from that of our moon or
even from the extremely nearby planet Venus seems kind of obvious,
whereas each of those having their very own unlimited renewable energy
and no stinking Greenpeace or any other tree-hugging
environmentalists, biodiversity protectors nor complex regulatory
agencies to contend with, could make our wild west seems like a
preschool temper tantrum because of the wealth and subsequent hording
and greed that’ll likely happen unless private enterprise is allowed
to function without the usual social/political or faith-based
authority getting involved with protecting only the upper most .0001%
of us.
It’s kind of obvious why our DARPA, NASA nor any other public-funded
agency or contracted teams of our supposedly democratic republic are
not going to step-up and announce squat via mainstream media, or
otherwise bother to educate this generation nor even the next K12 and
higher educated republic about such off-world matters, and
unfortunately our President BHO is too preoccupied with his political
damage-control issues of excessive federal debt and local energy
shortages to be of any use, and his somewhat unproductive energy
wizard Steven Chu is also in damage-control mode, plus William Mook as
our resident fly-by-rocket and clean energy wizard of Oz doesn’t seem
to have the necessary resources to accomplish any of this alone. So,
as long as terrestrial geothermal, solar and wind derived energy are
not going to be allowed to flourish on any large scale competitive
basis, is what leaves the rest of us stuck with spendy terrestrial
alternatives or allowing off-world alternatives that may seem like
another wild west kind of gold-rush era because, no government of
Earth can say or enforce squat about individuals and private investors
going after off-world stuff, unless they have their NWO and FEMA plans
of shooting us citizens of Earth out of LEO or otherwise keeping us
away from exploiting our moon, local asteroids and that extremely
nearby planet Venus.
So what the hell are the rest of us village idiots still waiting for?
iridium, gold, silver plus those multiple other rare-earths are really
only limited or getting somewhat scarce and even artificially hoarded
here on Earth, whereas upon our moon and especially the extremely
nearby planet Venus is hardly going to be deficient of such
metallicity. With essentially unlimited and actually clean renewable
energy that’s already existing as is, for exploiting our physically
dark moon and especially of the planet Venus that’s still so
geologically active (surface age of something less than 300 million
years), means that at least the necessary energy for those
explorations, extraction, processing and export of such valuable
metallicity shouldn’t be all that problematic. Of course it’ll
involve spendy technology, but there’s no shortage of wealth to pay
for any of that once this ball gets rolling.
This future off-world version of mining what we call rare earths or
even common ore represents a terrific metallicity gold-rush era of
long-term prosperity that could make gold, platinum and even diamonds
too common and perhaps even eventually too cheap to hoard, so that
kind of puts those oligarchs of DeBeers, China and Rothschilds in a
rather poor global market devaluation situation, plus further loss of
authority over the rest of us that once again will become capable of
paying our own way, and then some. Naturally the well established
defenders of our public funded and faith-based mainstream status-quo
would certainly do whatever it takes for keeping such off-world
resources as taboo, forbidden or unattainable in order to sustain
their terrestrial hoarding and artificial scarcity leverage they have
on us. Imagine what dumping a thousand tonnes of platinum or gold
onto the global market would do to its terrestrial value, or even
those elements of radium, rhodium and thorium are not exactly dirt
cheap.
Even though initially spendy for exploiting via such off-world mining,
whereas the positive/constructive tradeoffs seem rather good, instead
of continually impacting our terrestrial environment and risking human
lives it’ll mostly involve robotic excavating, processing and somewhat
automated shipments back to Earth that will likely make those previous
terrestrial gold-rush eras seem like primitive practice dry runs. Off-
world basics of mining carbonado/diamond and even common ores of iron
plus those high concentrations of titanium as well as extracting
thorium, uranium and many other heavy elements are not exactly of
insignificant value to us, and getting especially valuable when
terrestrial resources are either running on near empty or just getting
too artificially inflated and/or too politically and human life risky
to obtain, plus otherwise hoarded and artificially overvalued by those
within upper most 0.0001% (7000 individuals). For example, those
Canadian oil-sands represent a negative energy coefficient factor once
everything gets taken into account, not to mention their horrific
environment impact that has to include more than doubling the carbon
footprint per unit of energy, and otherwise the fracking of deep shale
in order to extract natural gas that has multiple impurities to
process out and involves multiple environmental consequences (all of
which being negative) is also not exactly a viable energy alternative
compared to the relatively failsafe thorium fueled reactors that we
should have been going full steam ahead with as of more than a decade
ago (instead, we get to go to war that costing us twice again as much
in addition to causing horrific trauma plus the ongoing collateral of
making folks dead).
In addition to discovering and exploiting a treasure trove of minerals
or rare element wealth, we should also consider that there are perhaps
safer planets or moons that humanity and all other forms of complex
biodiversity might actually better survive those future asteroid
encounters of the lithobraking impact kind. It’s also understood that
even fast moving molecular/nebula clouds of sufficient metallicity can
become downright lethal to surface life as we know it (such as when
the nearby Sirius B terminated into a white dwarf), as well as our own
sun is perfectly capable of tossing a fast 1e14 kg halo CME at us,
which would easily penetrate our natural global defenses and thereby
cause great amounts of damage to our less than robust infrastructure
(including satellite damage could be rather extensive), though
fortunately and lucky for us that most nasty CMEs have been under 5e13
kg, seldom exceeding 2000 km/s nor having been directed at us.
However, something of good mass (such as a large asteroid or small
planetoid) directly impacting our sun could easily cause a 1e15 kg
CME.
We also do not have forever, because as those Sirius stars close in on
us, their Kuiper belt and considerable Oort cloud of numerous items of
good size and mass could easily interact with our solar system,
including the increasing odds of perturbing something of our own solar
system into impacting us or our sun. Without the likes of JWST along
with a StarShade, we don’t even have a good method of detecting such
icy threats, much less the necessary robust infrastructure with
reserves of most everything it’ll take in order to survive our next
cosmic encounter of the lithobraking impact kind. I’m absolutely
certain if those dinosaurs knew of and had prepared for the worse,
that many of their species would still be alive today, so it would be
a good thing for us to know of any pending doom and gloom.
With certainty, the mostly geothermally made toasty planet Venus
offers terrific potential of becoming safer than Earth when it comes
down to surviving a truly nasty halo CME, plus better situated and
greater shielded as for fending off cosmic energy and those passing
molecular/nebula clouds of any great metallicity, because that’s
exactly what an extremely dense atmosphere that’s continually
replenished from within kind of does. Even asteroids focused upon
impacting Venus are going to get their arrival moderated down to a
dull roar due to the terrific density of its thick atmosphere, whereas
our nearly naked Earth is eventually going to get seriously nailed at
near full velocity. The mostly geothermally heated surface of Venus
is simply better protected from solar and cosmic radiation, as well as
whatever local radioactive deposits are more than a hundred fold
better shielded and/or attenuated by way of the given density of that
mostly CO2 atmosphere. Of course there’s always a systemic risk in
doing most anything on or off-world, however the payback of mining
asteroids plus that of extracting valuable elements from our
physically dark moon as well as going for the extremely nearby planet
Venus seems to suggest a way better investment payback than our
government agencies and their contracted (public funded) partners have
been allowing us to realize.
Heavy metallicity saturated asteroids like YU55 are a dime a dozen, so
to speak. This is simply a perfectly fair cost or investment analogy
relative to the greater worth of their metallicity plus offering a few
off-world OASIS/gateway considerations that could become real handy.
For example, our second moon/asteroid Cruithne would make a very good
outpost/gateway and fuel depot/OASIS, although setting up Venus L2
would certainly be much cooler, stable and reliably passing within 100
LD every 19 months. Even LiftPort is officially doing their LSEI
version of my LSE-CM/ISS (lunar space elevator with its enormous
counter mass hosting its international space station outpost/oasis/
gateway, plus having its secondary tethered science and energy
transfer platform reaching to within 6r of Earth), though LSEI or even
my LSE-CM/ISS is still not nearly as ambitious as relocating our moon
to Earth L1.
I could imagine processing through not more than 10% from any given
asteroid is going to become worth trillions, or in the case of our
moon taking but 0.0001% (7.35e16 kg) could easily represent a hundred
million trillion ($1360/kg), or even worth a billion trillion ($13,600/
kg). Obviously extracting a millionth of the metallicity mass from
our moon couldn’t possibly hurt a damn thing, other than leaving
excavated tunnels within that robust paramagnetic basalt that can be
reutilized as future habitats and off-world infrastructure by way of
TBMs clearing out 10% of lunar volume (2.2e18 m3) from within or
underneath that thick and fully fused paramagnetic basalt crust.
(that’s only providing 220e6 m3 of extremely safe underground habitat
for each of ten billion of us, or 2.2e9 m3 for one billion of us, and
those lunar TBM tailings or spoils from such extensive tunneling can
just get piled up on the surface or dumped into nearby craters for
future processing)
Gold is currently at $60K/kg (should be worth at least $64K/kg by
2012), and we're being informed that terrestrial deposits likely had
something to do with asteroid impacts. I do believe the moon provides
ample evidence of a rather considerable number of asteroid impacts,
and there are certainly more spendy elements than gold, such as the
value of bulk radium (Ra226) can easily fetch $128M/kg (I’ve found
other sources as having specified a production cost of $75M/kg,
although its artificial scarcity and hoarding can easily double that).
‘Today, because of simplified methods of production, the market value
of a gram is $70,000. This means that one ounce of radium would cost
$1,960,000. The New York State Hospital at Buffalo recently bought
$300,000 worth of radium at that rate. Its records show that 800
persons have been cured of cancer since its use there. The invention
of radium emanation apparatus has helped the cause immensely.”
Ra226 at $75K/g and with market profiteers hording radium for medical
and research use, including their artificial rare-earth scarcity
charge of $1K/mg of medical dosage is a market value of $1B/kg,
compared to the nearly worthless element of platinum in bulk is only
good for $54K/kg. Besides various bulk volumes of rare metallicity,
there’s also a cache of He3 for fusion energy applications, and of
course extracting He3 along with water and oxygen as byproducts of
processing lunar basalt bedrock shouldn’t be exactly worthless, and
otherwise I can’t hardly imagine our moon or Venus without radium or
plutonium when they each seem to have indicated as having more than
their fair share of uranium and thorium.
He3 as derived from terrestrial resources is currently pegged as worth
$4M/kg, although that price could easily tank below $1M/kg or less if
it were simply obtained from natural gas that’s still wasting the vast
bulk of it along with venting precious helium.
http://www.lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Helium#Value_of_Lunar_Heliu...
We have consistently disregard and essentially vented all the He3 in
our natural gas, just like we’ve ignored most all the He4 from the
very get-go. At 5 cents/kwhr makes He3 worth $3B/tonne, and with good
automation for obtaining He3 from natural gas should have easily
driven that terrestrial value down below $1B/tonne, and exporting He3
from our moon shouldn’t be all that costly, as long as it’s not the
one and only extracted element. However, a low density asteroid/
planetoid like Cruithne of 1.3e14 kg and even a likely heavy
metallicity density YU55 should also be loaded with He3.
Radium that gives us radon gas is actually a decay byproduct or
secondary element of going after uranium and thorium, as well as
radium that’s contained in spent nuclear fuels (especially found in
MOX, and of course that element of plutonium as a metal being worth
$11M/kg isn’t exactly insignificant value). Of course terrestrial
hydrocarbon fuels have always had trace amounts of radioactive
elements including plutonium and radium, whereas essentially all of
that hydrocarbon laced with elements like plutonium and radium gets
tossed into the environment. (lucky us, and don’t even bother to ask
how much helium gets vented, because you’ll only get yourself
seriously upset or possibly concerned enough to actually do something
about it)
Of course, going off-world for just one specific element as obtained
from our physically dark moon or from Venus would be downright silly
and spendy as hell, especially silly when so many other valuable
metallicity elements plus water, oxygen, hydrocarbons and He3 exist.
William Mook has been telling us for years, and keeps telling us why
and how to go about gathering or rounding up, mining and processing
asteroids. Right now with existing TBM applied technology there are
somewhat limited metallicity deposits (especially of rare earths)
except much deeper within our planet, whereas our going off-world
seems kind of unlimited, especially when considering what our moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus should have to offer. Thereby
investing a trillion to capture a given asteroid and setting up those
mostly robotic methods of mining, processing and exporting is less
than a drop of financial investment in the otherwise overflowing
buckets of investment returns, and no doubt those smarter than us ETs
would naturally have known this. Of course we don’t have to bother
with capturing the asteroid/planetoid Selene that’s worth 7.35e22 kg
of raw elements, because it’s already parked in a relatively stable
orbit, as well as ideal for accommodating the LSE-CM/ISS (aka Lunar
Space Elevator to/from its L1) that I’ve mentioned only a few thousand
times.
Even those relatively common terrestrial elements such as iron have
been causing absolutely horrific environmental trauma and terrain
carnage, not to mention the energy taken for the mining excavations,
heavy transport, processing and finished product distribution, plus
some metals having caused a few social/political tensions that tend to
get some of us killed. Therefore, obtaining such metallicity elements
from a passing asteroid that’s captured, or from that of our moon or
even from the extremely nearby planet Venus seems kind of obvious,
whereas each of those having their very own unlimited renewable energy
and no stinking Greenpeace or any other tree-hugging
environmentalists, biodiversity protectors nor complex regulatory
agencies to contend with, could make our wild west seems like a
preschool temper tantrum because of the wealth and subsequent hording
and greed that’ll likely happen unless private enterprise is allowed
to function without the usual social/political or faith-based
authority getting involved with protecting only the upper most .0001%
of us.
It’s kind of obvious why our DARPA, NASA nor any other public-funded
agency or contracted teams of our supposedly democratic republic are
not going to step-up and announce squat via mainstream media, or
otherwise bother to educate this generation nor even the next K12 and
higher educated republic about such off-world matters, and
unfortunately our President BHO is too preoccupied with his political
damage-control issues of excessive federal debt and local energy
shortages to be of any use, and his somewhat unproductive energy
wizard Steven Chu is also in damage-control mode, plus William Mook as
our resident fly-by-rocket and clean energy wizard of Oz doesn’t seem
to have the necessary resources to accomplish any of this alone. So,
as long as terrestrial geothermal, solar and wind derived energy are
not going to be allowed to flourish on any large scale competitive
basis, is what leaves the rest of us stuck with spendy terrestrial
alternatives or allowing off-world alternatives that may seem like
another wild west kind of gold-rush era because, no government of
Earth can say or enforce squat about individuals and private investors
going after off-world stuff, unless they have their NWO and FEMA plans
of shooting us citizens of Earth out of LEO or otherwise keeping us
away from exploiting our moon, local asteroids and that extremely
nearby planet Venus.
So what the hell are the rest of us village idiots still waiting for?
Brad Guth
Jan 6, 2012, 3:51:45 PM1/6/12
to
In order to further explore the value/risk and multiple opportunities
of obtaining this off-world metallicity, perhaps we’ll first need to
better appreciate that our physically dark moon represents an
impressive treasure trove that’s extremely nearby, easily accessible
and according to our NASA/Apollo era its offering a perfectly harmless
or passive kind of location for us to access, pillage and plunder. At
least deliveries of home cooked meals, pizza and beer can be
accomplished within as little as 3 days (2 days if we’re talking one-
way disposable deliveries), and otherwise terrific cell-phone service
via an Earth-moon L1 S-band transponder (just like our Apollo era
utilized) would only have a 2.6~2.75 second delay loop (1.3+ sec each
way). Mylar umbrellas of gold reflective surface would give terrific
shade from that direct sunlight, and if need be other gold mylar
reflectors or simply arrays of PV panels capable of converting up to
near 100% of the solar influx could easily fend off the local
secondary/recoil IR from the surrounding surface that’s so physically
dark but potentially worse than too hot to touch without an “Ove
Glove” while secondary IR radiating 1250 w/m2.
On Nov 27, 11:53 am, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > You need to distinguish between the Moon itself, and lunar basalts.
> > They are very different. The Moon is lower metallicity than the Earth,
> > even if some or most of its basalt contains more iron than typical
> > terrestrial basalt.
I agree, but only as a whole is it offering less average density,
whereas the inverse density of its innards below that thick and fused
paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5+ g/cm3 (average could easily be 3.75
g/cm3) is going to offer a considerably lower or inverse interior
density, that could even be somewhat hollow or kinda porous (as well
as gas filled or even conceivable as hosting pockets or layers of
complex hydrocarbons and mineral brines shouldn’t be unexpected).
> > You'll need to phrase the question better. What is "temperature" in
> > this context? Are you asking for the energy density on the lunar
> > surface of earthshine? I can't think of a reasonable way to discuss
> > the effects of earthshine using units of temperature.
Pick a spot, any good old spot on the nearside of our physically dark
moon that gets unobstructed access to full planetshine/earthshine, and
tell us what the added IR influx from full planetshine warms up that
physically dark and otherwise nighttime darkened moon of ours.
We already know that most of the farside nighttime (when receiving no
sunlight or planetshine) and especially deep within polar craters that
also do a good job of shading and/or preventing direct sun or
planetshine illumination, can represent a nighttime surface
temperature of 25 K or possibly less (more recent LROC data has a
polar nearside shaded crater basin pegged at 35 K). So, if given 25 K
as the natural surface nighttime minimum (without sunlight,
planetshine or any local secondary/recoil IR of any sort), then how
much warmer does full-planetshine bring up or boost that nearside
nighttime temperature?
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/index.shtml
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?p=123
“DIVINER, LRO's Lunar Radiometer Experiment, found a record-breaking
temperature of -248 degrees celsius (25 kelvin) in one location.
DIVINER also measured the temperature of the Moon during the recent
lunar eclipse on 15 June, finding an average decrease of 100 kelvin
across the surface as the Moon entered Earth's shadow.”
Of course Earth was still radiating its IR spectrum at 242 w/m2, so
perhaps the full value of planetshine differential is worth something
like 125 K, or full IR planetshine = 20.75 w/m2. Visually the bluish
earthshine/planetshine can be worth 50 times the illumination of what
full moonlight represents to us here on Earth, so even by night it’s
by no means too dark to see really good (especially in the violet to
bluish spectrum of 420~490 nm).
Along with an extra 10 m2 worth of reflective mylar mirror can easily
push that Earthshine/planetshine value up to 200+ watts plus whatever
10 m2 of short-wave PV derived energy from all of that bluish
planetshine should be worth near 1 kw. Now we’re looking at 1.2 kw/10
m2 with hardly any significant applied technology or deployed mass,
and of course by day that available energy density goes way the hell
up. An insulated tank of hot water or HTP that’s purely solar heated
by day plus even getting a little planetshine IR heated by night would
be a really good method of storing surplus energy along with a batter
of fully charged lithium cells that can also get buried in the bedrock
and/or covered by some of that highly reflective and nicely clumping
moon dust for safe keeping at a relatively constant day or nighttime
temperature, according to our NASA/Apollo science and Apollo-13 that
damn near froze to death on their way back home.
As for the basalt metallicity, there’s actually lots of easily
accessible moon basalt on the surface of Earth, and for the most part
it’s quite different than the vast majority of terrestrial basalt
that’s of much lower density and hardly the least bit paramagnetic.
Moon basalt is also physically dark enough to qualify for those .07
albedo areas of our moon. Of course our spendy LROC still can not
reconcile our terrifically dark moon of such physically poor (.07~.24)
albedo and those strong photographic contrast issues (compounded much
worse at low illumination angles), with any of those Apollo mission
obtained images recorded on Kodak film, but that’s just conditional
physics or something totally weird happening, because not even Kodak
is willing to authenticate what those NASA/Apollo images seem to
interpret as a rather unusually pastel grayish environment of hardly
any mineral/metallicity color, of minimal contrast and never any frame
of film affected by X-rays, gamma or heat.
Terrestrial basalts are simply those of less density and less
paramagnetic:
“The basaltic bedrock of the oceanic crust is classified as. (1)
felsic, with a density of 2.7 g/cm3.”
Lunar basalt is typically much heavier as well as fused near carbonado
hard, at 3.5+ g/cm3 (quite possibly averaging 3.75 g/cm3 and
subsequently very paramagnetic). Terrestrial basalts are seldom worth
over 3.1 g/cm3 and much less paramagnetic. The surface of our
physically dark moon is also deposited with large amounts of iron,
titanium, thorium and even greater than Earth amounts or saturations
of uranium, whereas surface mascons that are substantial enough to
affect satellite orbits are suggesting where even greater
concentrations of heavy metallicity elements likely exist.
Only the lower mantel of Earth has 4.5 g/cm3 composites of mostly
silica with a few heavy paramagnetic elements, whereas the upper
mantel offers 3.3 g/cm3. Therefore moon surface bedrock basalts of
3.5+ g/cm3 is a significant factor that’s offering greater metallicity
that somehow entirely alluded our NASA/Apollo era, just like they’d
found no sign of sodium nor having noticed that substantial second
moon, Cruithne.
The relatively small (500~700 km) and speculated as perhaps worth 1100
K of a solidified geothermal core (if it’s mostly iron) is likely
offset towards Earth from center by upwards of 25% (though why such
iron gets to sink while heavier elements floated and got solidified
into the surface basalt still isn’t understood). This relatively
small core could be quite nicely insulated by a near pumice low
density rock of mostly solidified silica that melts at 1600 K, as
perfectly capable of having stored great amounts of gas and
conceivably water in addition to hosting various metallicity elements
of sufficient value, and there’s no good reason to think our moon
doesn’t have a cache of hydrocarbons.
Using a somewhat smaller TBM or just vertical drilling a one meter
diameter geothermal pathway towards the core should give a terrific
Stirling cycle geothermal power source that’s rather enormous and
sustainable for at least a thousand years of pulling out a continuous
terawatt of energy, with no possible harm done. That’s only
extracting 8.7e6 twhr, however there should also be no shortage of
thorium to fuel local reactors that could be polar located so as to
having a continuous benefit of that extremely cool shade within deep
craters that’ll offer something like 45 K for heat-exchanging.
Otherwise 100% plutonium fueled reactors could be relatively compact
and mobile enough to suit powering those large TBMs.
of obtaining this off-world metallicity, perhaps we’ll first need to
better appreciate that our physically dark moon represents an
impressive treasure trove that’s extremely nearby, easily accessible
and according to our NASA/Apollo era its offering a perfectly harmless
or passive kind of location for us to access, pillage and plunder. At
least deliveries of home cooked meals, pizza and beer can be
accomplished within as little as 3 days (2 days if we’re talking one-
way disposable deliveries), and otherwise terrific cell-phone service
via an Earth-moon L1 S-band transponder (just like our Apollo era
utilized) would only have a 2.6~2.75 second delay loop (1.3+ sec each
way). Mylar umbrellas of gold reflective surface would give terrific
shade from that direct sunlight, and if need be other gold mylar
reflectors or simply arrays of PV panels capable of converting up to
near 100% of the solar influx could easily fend off the local
secondary/recoil IR from the surrounding surface that’s so physically
dark but potentially worse than too hot to touch without an “Ove
Glove” while secondary IR radiating 1250 w/m2.
On Nov 27, 11:53 am, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > You need to distinguish between the Moon itself, and lunar basalts.
> > They are very different. The Moon is lower metallicity than the Earth,
> > even if some or most of its basalt contains more iron than typical
> > terrestrial basalt.
I agree, but only as a whole is it offering less average density,
whereas the inverse density of its innards below that thick and fused
paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5+ g/cm3 (average could easily be 3.75
g/cm3) is going to offer a considerably lower or inverse interior
density, that could even be somewhat hollow or kinda porous (as well
as gas filled or even conceivable as hosting pockets or layers of
complex hydrocarbons and mineral brines shouldn’t be unexpected).
> > You'll need to phrase the question better. What is "temperature" in
> > this context? Are you asking for the energy density on the lunar
> > surface of earthshine? I can't think of a reasonable way to discuss
> > the effects of earthshine using units of temperature.
Pick a spot, any good old spot on the nearside of our physically dark
moon that gets unobstructed access to full planetshine/earthshine, and
tell us what the added IR influx from full planetshine warms up that
physically dark and otherwise nighttime darkened moon of ours.
We already know that most of the farside nighttime (when receiving no
sunlight or planetshine) and especially deep within polar craters that
also do a good job of shading and/or preventing direct sun or
planetshine illumination, can represent a nighttime surface
temperature of 25 K or possibly less (more recent LROC data has a
polar nearside shaded crater basin pegged at 35 K). So, if given 25 K
as the natural surface nighttime minimum (without sunlight,
planetshine or any local secondary/recoil IR of any sort), then how
much warmer does full-planetshine bring up or boost that nearside
nighttime temperature?
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/index.shtml
http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/blog/?p=123
“DIVINER, LRO's Lunar Radiometer Experiment, found a record-breaking
temperature of -248 degrees celsius (25 kelvin) in one location.
DIVINER also measured the temperature of the Moon during the recent
lunar eclipse on 15 June, finding an average decrease of 100 kelvin
across the surface as the Moon entered Earth's shadow.”
Of course Earth was still radiating its IR spectrum at 242 w/m2, so
perhaps the full value of planetshine differential is worth something
like 125 K, or full IR planetshine = 20.75 w/m2. Visually the bluish
earthshine/planetshine can be worth 50 times the illumination of what
full moonlight represents to us here on Earth, so even by night it’s
by no means too dark to see really good (especially in the violet to
bluish spectrum of 420~490 nm).
Along with an extra 10 m2 worth of reflective mylar mirror can easily
push that Earthshine/planetshine value up to 200+ watts plus whatever
10 m2 of short-wave PV derived energy from all of that bluish
planetshine should be worth near 1 kw. Now we’re looking at 1.2 kw/10
m2 with hardly any significant applied technology or deployed mass,
and of course by day that available energy density goes way the hell
up. An insulated tank of hot water or HTP that’s purely solar heated
by day plus even getting a little planetshine IR heated by night would
be a really good method of storing surplus energy along with a batter
of fully charged lithium cells that can also get buried in the bedrock
and/or covered by some of that highly reflective and nicely clumping
moon dust for safe keeping at a relatively constant day or nighttime
temperature, according to our NASA/Apollo science and Apollo-13 that
damn near froze to death on their way back home.
As for the basalt metallicity, there’s actually lots of easily
accessible moon basalt on the surface of Earth, and for the most part
it’s quite different than the vast majority of terrestrial basalt
that’s of much lower density and hardly the least bit paramagnetic.
Moon basalt is also physically dark enough to qualify for those .07
albedo areas of our moon. Of course our spendy LROC still can not
reconcile our terrifically dark moon of such physically poor (.07~.24)
albedo and those strong photographic contrast issues (compounded much
worse at low illumination angles), with any of those Apollo mission
obtained images recorded on Kodak film, but that’s just conditional
physics or something totally weird happening, because not even Kodak
is willing to authenticate what those NASA/Apollo images seem to
interpret as a rather unusually pastel grayish environment of hardly
any mineral/metallicity color, of minimal contrast and never any frame
of film affected by X-rays, gamma or heat.
Terrestrial basalts are simply those of less density and less
paramagnetic:
“The basaltic bedrock of the oceanic crust is classified as. (1)
felsic, with a density of 2.7 g/cm3.”
Lunar basalt is typically much heavier as well as fused near carbonado
hard, at 3.5+ g/cm3 (quite possibly averaging 3.75 g/cm3 and
subsequently very paramagnetic). Terrestrial basalts are seldom worth
over 3.1 g/cm3 and much less paramagnetic. The surface of our
physically dark moon is also deposited with large amounts of iron,
titanium, thorium and even greater than Earth amounts or saturations
of uranium, whereas surface mascons that are substantial enough to
affect satellite orbits are suggesting where even greater
concentrations of heavy metallicity elements likely exist.
Only the lower mantel of Earth has 4.5 g/cm3 composites of mostly
silica with a few heavy paramagnetic elements, whereas the upper
mantel offers 3.3 g/cm3. Therefore moon surface bedrock basalts of
3.5+ g/cm3 is a significant factor that’s offering greater metallicity
that somehow entirely alluded our NASA/Apollo era, just like they’d
found no sign of sodium nor having noticed that substantial second
moon, Cruithne.
The relatively small (500~700 km) and speculated as perhaps worth 1100
K of a solidified geothermal core (if it’s mostly iron) is likely
offset towards Earth from center by upwards of 25% (though why such
iron gets to sink while heavier elements floated and got solidified
into the surface basalt still isn’t understood). This relatively
small core could be quite nicely insulated by a near pumice low
density rock of mostly solidified silica that melts at 1600 K, as
perfectly capable of having stored great amounts of gas and
conceivably water in addition to hosting various metallicity elements
of sufficient value, and there’s no good reason to think our moon
doesn’t have a cache of hydrocarbons.
Using a somewhat smaller TBM or just vertical drilling a one meter
diameter geothermal pathway towards the core should give a terrific
Stirling cycle geothermal power source that’s rather enormous and
sustainable for at least a thousand years of pulling out a continuous
terawatt of energy, with no possible harm done. That’s only
extracting 8.7e6 twhr, however there should also be no shortage of
thorium to fuel local reactors that could be polar located so as to
having a continuous benefit of that extremely cool shade within deep
craters that’ll offer something like 45 K for heat-exchanging.
Otherwise 100% plutonium fueled reactors could be relatively compact
and mobile enough to suit powering those large TBMs.
On Jan 6, 10:04 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hägar
Jan 6, 2012, 7:20:56 PM1/6/12
to
"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:63f19823-aa51-4765...@q8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
The extremely nearby planet Venus is actually the metallicity mother-
load,
*** you ignorant twerp, mother load, indeed ... everywhere
load,
else it's called mother lode ... but you are too _____________
(fill in appropriate description.)
not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly deficient nor
offering inert matter. Off-World metallicity is simply offering us
the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly profitable
metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment
melting point of lead will certainly melt the lead in your pencil,
you Venusian Geek ...
Brad Guth
Jan 6, 2012, 8:31:02 PM1/6/12
to
On Jan 6, 4:20 pm, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly deficient nor
> offering inert matter. Off-World metallicity is simply offering us
> the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly profitable
> metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment
>
> *** the commute is a bit long and the temperature around the
> melting point of lead will certainly melt the lead in your pencil,
> you Venusian Geek ...
Venus comes to within 100 LD from us every 19 months, so that's really
close. Any closer and it would be classified as a very big NEO.
Only you and your dumbfounded redneck Goldilocks sister would use
lead, tin or anything plastic.
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:63f19823-aa51-4765...@q8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> The extremely nearby planet Venus is actually the metallicity mother-
> load,
>
> *** you ignorant twerp, mother load, indeed ... everywhere
> else it's called mother lode ... but you are too _____________
> (fill in appropriate description.)
In redneck popup book format, what sort of popup means "mother lode"?
> news:63f19823-aa51-4765...@q8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> The extremely nearby planet Venus is actually the metallicity mother-
> load,
>
> *** you ignorant twerp, mother load, indeed ... everywhere
> else it's called mother lode ... but you are too _____________
> (fill in appropriate description.)
>
> not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly deficient nor
> offering inert matter. Off-World metallicity is simply offering us
> the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly profitable
> metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment
>
> *** the commute is a bit long and the temperature around the
> melting point of lead will certainly melt the lead in your pencil,
> you Venusian Geek ...
close. Any closer and it would be classified as a very big NEO.
Only you and your dumbfounded redneck Goldilocks sister would use
lead, tin or anything plastic.
Brad Guth
Jan 7, 2012, 10:56:57 AM1/7/12
to
Those mostly carbon elements of metallicity have to include
hydrocarbons, because at least our form of life being carbon based
instead of silica is perhaps why most other life and chemistry as we
know it has to evolve along with and/or coexist with carbons.
Are those terrestrial hydrocarbons forever?
Are hydrocarbons abiogenic a form of metallicity and geology?
Is Earth as our compatible Eden as good as it gets for intelligent
life?
Can’t truly intelligent other life adapt via applied physics, science
and research for the general betterment of their life as they know it?
(or are they and their planet doomed as badly as us?)
How dead-certain are we that our government hasn’t been telling us
fibs or lies, by way of obfuscation and/or by simply banishing anyone
that knows the least bit of anything valid or informative about off-
world matters. Our government and those above such elected and/or
appointed authority certainly don’t want the rest of us to have
anything to do with William Mook or his Mokenergy/Mokaerospace, and
yet he seems relatively harmless though bipolar and somewhat survival
eccentric on steroids, but at least he’s informative and willing to
share most of his ideas that’ll usually require the wizard of Oz along
with the financial resources of the Rothschilds and Bilderbergs to
accomplish, mostly because the rest of us are kind of tapped out
because of how our government has failed us.
Why should we seriously bother with going after off-world metallicity?
(or perhaps a whole lot better question is; why the hell not?)
Are we actually that totally confident that our hydrocarbon fuels
(liquids, gasses and solids) are forever? (are those social/political
and environmental consequences still entirely worth it? or is the
global impression of us overreacting getting a little too real and
even thermonuclear risky?) Of course with our NIF developing fusion
bombs, at least it could be a relatively clean 6.5 billion kill, and
eventually the environment should recover without fear of genetic
mutations from excessive or accumulative radiation.
Perhaps with our advanced WMD ability to deploy and utilize as much
lethal force and false flags as necessary, and to otherwise dominate
the electronic/internet media and utilize its data to the point of
eavesdropping and controlling all global banking, investments and
insurance that can be manipulated to suit, is perhaps what other
nations have to fear the most, about us becoming another one of “The
Gods of Eden”
http://www.ukrytesprawy.org/inne/William_Bramley_-_The_Gods_of_Eden.pdf
Instead of continually pushing our global resources and the frail
environment towards the point of no return, how about considering the
greater good and benefits of creating those lifetime and multi-
generation-proof jobs by the millions, not to mention reduced
environmental trauma and eliminating our trade imbalance with a
healthy surplus of products and energy to spare, making America the
global robber barons in charge of hoarding and profiting at just about
everything, essentially kicking out the likes of any Rothschilds or
Bank of China because we’d have at least twice the wealth and
authority of those two combined.
Earth certainly isn’t depleted of metallicity, because supposedly it
still has absolutely everything we need and then some, although much
of the really good stuff that used to be easy to come by seems to have
become scarce as well as artificially hoarded, as well as geologically
hidden or simply deeply sequestered within Earth, and perhaps that’s a
darn good thing since much of it and its processing is relatively
toxic to our surface environment. Even thorium and uranium are better
left in the soil and rock, rather than gathered up and concentrated
enough for fissions to take place, not to mention those secondary
fission byproducts created by processing and especially using uranium
seems to have become highly problematic and spendy as hell for us
(especially when those conventional reactors spit-up and/or blow their
guts out, not to mention their considerable spent fuel and always the
lingering threat of those pesky WMD considerations that utilize
plutonium), so perhaps the annual off-world supply of either of those
elements would highly benefit us.
The natural evolving geology of Earth is yet another consideration
that has certain limits and variables, whereas globally we get to deal
with something like 4~5 km3 of volcanic solids and perhaps 4~5e3 km3
in composite gas vapors per year. Most of what comes out is somewhat
destructive, as well as disruptive and naturally much heavier
metallicity worthy than helium, and thus forever sticks with us or at
least ends up in the oceans and atmosphere. Vented helium on the
other hand doesn’t stick or molecular bind with anything, and unless
gathered up and contained it tends to migrate away from Earth because
it’s easily solar wind extracted.
That's certainly taking this a little off-topic, but indirectly it
actually means a lot to those few of us that honestly care. If we can
manage to reduce the physical trauma to our environment without our
having to do without essential metallicity, would be a very good
thing. Better yet is when the off-world metallicity is of higher
quality and cheaper than terrestrial alternatives, reducing social/
political tensions seems like another terrific benefit, not to mention
the new and improved job security might also be considered by some of
us as a good thing, such as by obtaining 10% of the annual metallicity
from off-world resources could easily provide a million high paying
jobs with no end in sight, and each of those jobs could easily spawn
ten others.
Of course any 10% of annual metallicity supply may not seem all that
super terrific, but considering the all-inclusive global savings and
reduced trauma to our environment plus a terrific energy savings
should offer a fairly impressive win-win kind of solution. William
Mook and a few others used to highly promote the vast wealth and
benefits of their off-world mining solutions, such as obtained from
those asteroids passing nearby, or from a few orbital planetoids that
could be relocated into a somewhat closer LEO or smacked into the
farside of our moon for processing, which might also be a terrific
option for terminating those items that could impose some future
direct threat, as to diverting their otherwise potential of impacting
Earth. Last time I’d checked, avoiding any asteroid imposed damage to
our planet could be worth many trillions, and possibly even worth a
quadrillion, plus this impact avoidance could easily save more than a
billion of us from certain death and others from the trauma of trying
to survive and rebuild everything.
So, how about a global supply of pure thorium as easily obtained from
our physically dark moon, shouldn’t be scoffed at unless you have a
better idea. Many other valuable rare elements should also be
considered as a supplement or alternative to terrestrial derived
elements, unless you think our planet and its inhabitants can take all
the punishment that can be attributed, and then some. Though perhaps
if you don’t like the idea of anyone messing with our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon that’s always mainstream hyped as supposedly
made out of Earth, there’s always the extremely nearby and totally
vibrant plus geologically active planet Venus to pillage and plunder,
whereas “Guth Venus” represents just one of many locations on Venus
that should be dominated and controlled by our guys, instead of
Muslims or some other cranky group that might not share.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
hydrocarbons, because at least our form of life being carbon based
instead of silica is perhaps why most other life and chemistry as we
know it has to evolve along with and/or coexist with carbons.
Are those terrestrial hydrocarbons forever?
Are hydrocarbons abiogenic a form of metallicity and geology?
Is Earth as our compatible Eden as good as it gets for intelligent
life?
Can’t truly intelligent other life adapt via applied physics, science
and research for the general betterment of their life as they know it?
(or are they and their planet doomed as badly as us?)
How dead-certain are we that our government hasn’t been telling us
fibs or lies, by way of obfuscation and/or by simply banishing anyone
that knows the least bit of anything valid or informative about off-
world matters. Our government and those above such elected and/or
appointed authority certainly don’t want the rest of us to have
anything to do with William Mook or his Mokenergy/Mokaerospace, and
yet he seems relatively harmless though bipolar and somewhat survival
eccentric on steroids, but at least he’s informative and willing to
share most of his ideas that’ll usually require the wizard of Oz along
with the financial resources of the Rothschilds and Bilderbergs to
accomplish, mostly because the rest of us are kind of tapped out
because of how our government has failed us.
Why should we seriously bother with going after off-world metallicity?
(or perhaps a whole lot better question is; why the hell not?)
Are we actually that totally confident that our hydrocarbon fuels
(liquids, gasses and solids) are forever? (are those social/political
and environmental consequences still entirely worth it? or is the
global impression of us overreacting getting a little too real and
even thermonuclear risky?) Of course with our NIF developing fusion
bombs, at least it could be a relatively clean 6.5 billion kill, and
eventually the environment should recover without fear of genetic
mutations from excessive or accumulative radiation.
Perhaps with our advanced WMD ability to deploy and utilize as much
lethal force and false flags as necessary, and to otherwise dominate
the electronic/internet media and utilize its data to the point of
eavesdropping and controlling all global banking, investments and
insurance that can be manipulated to suit, is perhaps what other
nations have to fear the most, about us becoming another one of “The
Gods of Eden”
http://www.ukrytesprawy.org/inne/William_Bramley_-_The_Gods_of_Eden.pdf
Instead of continually pushing our global resources and the frail
environment towards the point of no return, how about considering the
greater good and benefits of creating those lifetime and multi-
generation-proof jobs by the millions, not to mention reduced
environmental trauma and eliminating our trade imbalance with a
healthy surplus of products and energy to spare, making America the
global robber barons in charge of hoarding and profiting at just about
everything, essentially kicking out the likes of any Rothschilds or
Bank of China because we’d have at least twice the wealth and
authority of those two combined.
Earth certainly isn’t depleted of metallicity, because supposedly it
still has absolutely everything we need and then some, although much
of the really good stuff that used to be easy to come by seems to have
become scarce as well as artificially hoarded, as well as geologically
hidden or simply deeply sequestered within Earth, and perhaps that’s a
darn good thing since much of it and its processing is relatively
toxic to our surface environment. Even thorium and uranium are better
left in the soil and rock, rather than gathered up and concentrated
enough for fissions to take place, not to mention those secondary
fission byproducts created by processing and especially using uranium
seems to have become highly problematic and spendy as hell for us
(especially when those conventional reactors spit-up and/or blow their
guts out, not to mention their considerable spent fuel and always the
lingering threat of those pesky WMD considerations that utilize
plutonium), so perhaps the annual off-world supply of either of those
elements would highly benefit us.
The natural evolving geology of Earth is yet another consideration
that has certain limits and variables, whereas globally we get to deal
with something like 4~5 km3 of volcanic solids and perhaps 4~5e3 km3
in composite gas vapors per year. Most of what comes out is somewhat
destructive, as well as disruptive and naturally much heavier
metallicity worthy than helium, and thus forever sticks with us or at
least ends up in the oceans and atmosphere. Vented helium on the
other hand doesn’t stick or molecular bind with anything, and unless
gathered up and contained it tends to migrate away from Earth because
it’s easily solar wind extracted.
That's certainly taking this a little off-topic, but indirectly it
actually means a lot to those few of us that honestly care. If we can
manage to reduce the physical trauma to our environment without our
having to do without essential metallicity, would be a very good
thing. Better yet is when the off-world metallicity is of higher
quality and cheaper than terrestrial alternatives, reducing social/
political tensions seems like another terrific benefit, not to mention
the new and improved job security might also be considered by some of
us as a good thing, such as by obtaining 10% of the annual metallicity
from off-world resources could easily provide a million high paying
jobs with no end in sight, and each of those jobs could easily spawn
ten others.
Of course any 10% of annual metallicity supply may not seem all that
super terrific, but considering the all-inclusive global savings and
reduced trauma to our environment plus a terrific energy savings
should offer a fairly impressive win-win kind of solution. William
Mook and a few others used to highly promote the vast wealth and
benefits of their off-world mining solutions, such as obtained from
those asteroids passing nearby, or from a few orbital planetoids that
could be relocated into a somewhat closer LEO or smacked into the
farside of our moon for processing, which might also be a terrific
option for terminating those items that could impose some future
direct threat, as to diverting their otherwise potential of impacting
Earth. Last time I’d checked, avoiding any asteroid imposed damage to
our planet could be worth many trillions, and possibly even worth a
quadrillion, plus this impact avoidance could easily save more than a
billion of us from certain death and others from the trauma of trying
to survive and rebuild everything.
So, how about a global supply of pure thorium as easily obtained from
our physically dark moon, shouldn’t be scoffed at unless you have a
better idea. Many other valuable rare elements should also be
considered as a supplement or alternative to terrestrial derived
elements, unless you think our planet and its inhabitants can take all
the punishment that can be attributed, and then some. Though perhaps
if you don’t like the idea of anyone messing with our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon that’s always mainstream hyped as supposedly
made out of Earth, there’s always the extremely nearby and totally
vibrant plus geologically active planet Venus to pillage and plunder,
whereas “Guth Venus” represents just one of many locations on Venus
that should be dominated and controlled by our guys, instead of
Muslims or some other cranky group that might not share.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
On Jan 6, 10:04 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hägar
Jan 7, 2012, 11:41:52 AM1/7/12
to
news:de047efb-0e43-42eb...@u32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_lode
>
> not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly deficient nor
> offering inert matter. Off-World metallicity is simply offering us
> the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly profitable
> metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment
>
> *** the commute is a bit long and the temperature around the
> melting point of lead will certainly melt the lead in your pencil,
> you Venusian Geek ...
Venus comes to within 100 LD from us every 19 months, so that's really
close. Any closer and it would be classified as a very big NEO.
Only you and your dumbfounded redneck Goldilocks sister would use
lead, tin or anything plastic.
*** which, at Venus' surface temperature would only exist in a
liquid state, you moron.
On Jan 6, 4:20 pm, "H gar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:63f19823-aa51-4765...@q8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> The extremely nearby planet Venus is actually the metallicity mother-
> load,
>
> *** you ignorant twerp, mother load, indeed ... everywhere
> else it's called mother lode ... but you are too _____________
> (fill in appropriate description.)
In redneck popup book format, what sort of popup means "mother lode"?
*** Just for you, you dumb-ass mother fucker:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:63f19823-aa51-4765...@q8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> The extremely nearby planet Venus is actually the metallicity mother-
> load,
>
> *** you ignorant twerp, mother load, indeed ... everywhere
> else it's called mother lode ... but you are too _____________
> (fill in appropriate description.)
In redneck popup book format, what sort of popup means "mother lode"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_lode
>
> not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly deficient nor
> offering inert matter. Off-World metallicity is simply offering us
> the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly profitable
> metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment
>
> *** the commute is a bit long and the temperature around the
> melting point of lead will certainly melt the lead in your pencil,
> you Venusian Geek ...
Venus comes to within 100 LD from us every 19 months, so that's really
close. Any closer and it would be classified as a very big NEO.
Only you and your dumbfounded redneck Goldilocks sister would use
lead, tin or anything plastic.
liquid state, you moron.
Brad Guth
Jan 7, 2012, 11:46:54 AM1/7/12
to
No doubt powerful TBMs can tunnel through enough of Earth in order to
extract those elements of metallicity plus make cozy room for billions
more of us, and there’s always my 100 km tall spires with their 10:1
ratio of a 10 x 10 km (100 km2) surface base area (+10% larger
foundation) and its 1 km2 top floor could easily help accommodate
billions more at the least amount of energy and outside resources, not
that many of us even deserve to have this planet as is, and naturally
because this isn’t your idea means that it isn’t ever going to
happen. Instead the continued protection of those idiots in charge of
our government and their many agencies is perhaps the main reason why
the rest of us are forever stuck with having to elect idiots instead
of the sorts of expertise that yourself and only a few others
represent.
Problem is, as long as history that's published as K-12 textbooks and
only verified by the victors, can't ever get independently revised in
order to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth, kind of
insures that nothing major is ever going to change for the better.
Mook can't even get his better stuff off the ground (so to speak), and
that $18 million dollar island for his new and improved energy
independent republic is just another example of what's not going to
happen, at least not in his lifetime. So instead, we all get older,
crankier and eventually die with absolutely nothing about history
revised or seeing any shift in policy that could reduce the social/
political disparity that has so many of us financially drained and in
the dumps.
Perhaps the next energy starved generation(s) will get to takeover
where you and I left off, though somehow I kind of doubt they'll be
either smart enough or brave enough to do so.
-
Since there are only a few of us trying to honestly make a positive/
constructive difference, whereas the vast majority in these Usenet/
newsgroups are only here as mainstream FUD-masters in order to
accomplish as much damage-control as possible, is why newcomers or the
general public of K-12 and higher educated need to remain tough at
taking mainstream flack from most every angle, because topics like
this one can get downright testy at returning the favor with all the
love and affection that I can muster.
Terrestrial hydrocarbons are in fact going to become our most damaging
folly towards expediting the ongoing demise of our frail environment,
not that hydrocarbons haven’t contributed to the advancements of
humanity in spite of their already having done more damage than good
by indirectly fueling our faith-based cultivated rage and distrust of
most other humans, plus expediting the systematic demise of far too
many highly complex species that took millions of years to evolve
before any embryo of a primitive human ever existed, whereas we’ve
managed to eradicate them within a few centuries (most extensively
during this last century).
In spite of nature venting plus how extra dreadful we’ve made this
world for most of us, the staggering task of salvaging Earth and
accommodating billions more of us is still going to be relatively easy
compared to going after the greater off-world prosperity that’s
represented by our moon and Venus, replacing hydrocarbons with rare
metallicity and preferably using hydrogen, thorium, geothermal and
Li-6 + H-D fusion instead of our perpetual dependency on
hydrocarbons. This doesn’t mean that hydrocarbons are going to get
banished or otherwise entirely excluded, but instead more selectively
utilized along with HTP that’s easily formulated to suit, or nearly
replaced by using hydrogen and thereby stretching those expensive
hydrocarbons and minimizing their impact by at least a good 5 fold,
along with considerable health benefits that are at least worth a
thousand fold.
One option is to allow competitive off-world metallicity resourcing.
Naturally the off-world cost of anything is kind of relative, such as
how Big Energy managed to go along with starting and sustaining bogus
wars is what also enabled our very own oil explorations and
extractions to become viable, as well as those oily-sands as Canadian
alternatives that are clearly a negative energy coefficient and a
maximum pollution tradeoff that our next ten generations will never
see any direct nor indirect benefit from, but what the hell, at least
it’s keeping our hydrocarbon addiction going. This same global
inflation makes spent or depleted mineral mining viable and even worth
the extra energy and human risk, all because of the contrived
shortages and obvious hoarding by those that could care less what
global trauma and carnage takes place.
No doubt the surface environment of Venus is going to remain much
worse than any hot potato. However, that scorching hot planet has
lots of its metallicity in those valuable raw elements to offer, and
fortunately there’s no shortage of renewable energy to process any of
it. But naturally, we can just keep ignoring this and/or avoiding the
opportunity to take our fair share of its valuable elements that could
make our world a whole lot better and safer place to live, as I'm
certain that our terrestrial robber-baron oligarchs and Rothschilds
would dearly love if we'd just forget about ever exploiting the likes
of our moon and that extremely nearby planet, Venus.
Going after off-world elements (including hydrocarbons) may at first
seem kind of spendy, although once past their breakeven point it’s all
good, and off-world metallicity alone can make that investment
breakeven happen much sooner than our mainstream mafia oligarchs and
Rothschilds are putting us on about. Unlike terrestrial hydrocarbons
costing us trillions each and every year, from our direct consumption
plus via industrial, commercial and government spending on such that’s
strictly need-to-know because they (DoD, Pentagon and a good dozen
other agencies) seriously manage to consume mass quantities of
hydrocarbons, in that some of which gets paid for in ways other than
direct currency (such as in exchange for their off-shore facilities,
drugs and weapons, or in exchange for certain social/political favors
that the next generations gets to pay for in ways of consequences and/
or as karma that’s even more convoluted and spendy than we’re being
told).
Obviously I’m not suggesting that actual liquids or even solid forms
of hydrocarbons be exploited away from off-world resources, because
that’s just silly, however there are a number of hydrocarbon related
products or synthetic derivatives which might qualify. Even 90% HTP
can be bulk manufactured for as little as $0.5/kg (cheaper if produced
via Mokenergy as solar derived HTP) and has a wholesale value of $10/
kg (not including its spendy shipping that’s based almost entirely on
FUD orchestrated paranoia, that could easily double that cost) and
when diluted 30:1 brings its wholesale worth up to roughly $300/kg,
though perhaps a solid cryogenic inert form of 99% HTP or even
modified as a crystallized Acetone Peroxide could become further
modified in order to suit its extremely high density form of 5.3 km/
sec explosive energy, by adding something for stabilization that could
be easily removed.
http://www.peroxidepropulsion.com/hydrogen-peroxide.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide
Raw hydrocarbons via coal, oil and natural gas are always laced with
all sorts of other undesirable elements, some of which are nearly
inert or quite harmless, others potentially valuable while many are
just downright nasty and spendy to safely get rid of, such as the safe
removal and storage or disposal of mercury from coal is so nasty and
spendy to accomplish that most global Big Energy consumption of coal
doesn’t hardly bother, because it’s always the old and next generation
that get to suffer and pay for everything (including our paying for
whatever future genetic mutations plus environmental consequences that
are pretty much all bad).
So, instead of our going for as much as possible all-electric by using
renewable resources plus failsafe thorium which Earth has way more
than enough as is (wouldn’t have cost us 10% of using conventional
uranium fueled reactors), why is the honest all-inclusive cost and/or
impact of even astronomy and so many other research things so often
impossible for us to quantify? (especially whenever public-funded
special interest groups or just Big Energy plus metallicity hoarding
gets involved by forcing us to stick with their terrestrial resources
that are knowingly toxic and getting spendy in more ways than anyone
cares to mention). In other words, supposedly it all adds up, but
without the honest accounting there’s simply nothing that’s
sufficiently all-inclusive to add up, and apparently that’s exactly
how those in charge intend to keep it.
Even the ongoing and artificially accelerated rate of helium loss
isn’t allowed to be discussed, as though it’s another one of those
need-to-know or nondisclosure taboo topics that simply offers too much
potential doom and gloom even for our resident FUD-masters to spin
into something harmless. Obviously the eliminations and/or
orchestrated demise of such Earth science missions like OCO was a
critical damage-control accomplishment that directly benefits Big
Energy, as well as covers any number of government butts, because
quantifying and mapping global pollution from natural and artificial
sources is obviously something best left hidden or simply obfuscated/
excluded from the rest of us, and it’s either minimized and/or
discredited within any serious Usenet newsgroup topics that mainstream
investigative media might accidentally stumble upon.
Perhaps if we collectively blowout the equivalent of that Gulf BP
fiasco every other month or so could make this planet better implode.
By dumping plus venting six million tonnes of hydrocarbons per year in
addition to what those not so little volumes we manage to consume,
could actually be a very good thing that we’re just not quite smart
enough to appreciate the benefits of CO2, CO, NOx and those sooty and
acidic water vapor variations plus loads of extra helium and a good
dozen other unnatural elements (some fortified with the genetically
toxic molecular mutagen of Corexit), that instead should have stayed
deep underground until we have a failsafe method of extracting only
the methane without having to process and/or release those nasty
elements.
Without a good enough reason or motivation for creating and consuming
vast amounts of renewable hydrogen that’s easily and cheaply made via
solar energy or derived from most any form of surplus energy (same
goes for creating HTP), much less bothering to use Li-6 + H-D for its
terrific fusion energy, perhaps there’s no reason to kid ourselves
that remaining hooked on terrestrial hydrocarbons is supposedly a good
thing and well worth all the wars, pollution, global inflation and the
wealth disparity it can muster. Perhaps we just need to rethink like
an oligarch Rothschild, and everything will turn out perfectly fine
and dandy, in spite of all the helium loss plus hydrocarbon trauma
we’ve imposed upon our world.
Oops! there I go, ranting off like a village idiot again, by this
manifesto mentioning that very bad word “helium”. Sorry about that.
“In the Earth's atmosphere, the concentration of helium by volume is
only 5.2 parts per million. The concentration is low and fairly
constant despite the continuous production of new helium because most
helium in the Earth's atmosphere escapes into space by several
processes.”
Unavoidably we get a little extra shot of helium(He) with every
extracted barrel of oil, plus lots more with every cubic meter of
natural gas, to go along with those amounts of He outflux given off by
natural geology, and that’s even human assisted because our biology
and most of whatever we do really doesn’t require nor retain helium.
Essentially, every kg of He that comes out of Earth plus via nuclear
reactors is leaked, vented or essentially given away because it isn’t
getting forever stored nor put back into Earth.
It’s suggested that the natural leakage of helium that’s sustaining
our atmospheric 5.24 ppm is only worth 3000 tonnes per year, but
that’s a total crock. All one needs to do is add up all the vented,
flared and consumed natural gas that always has a percentage of
helium, though most of it is below 1% and only some of it gets as high
as 7% He saturated. As per consuming 3.65e12 m3/yr and given only
0.1% as He = 650,000 tonnes/year, and try to remember that’s using
just an extremely conservative 0.1% as He, and that’s also not
accounting for those blowouts, flaring, leakage nor the volumes taken
directly by Big Energy consumption that supposedly doesn’t count, so
more than likely from natural gas alone we’re looking at 6.5e6 tonnes/
yr that’s getting away from us, because it sure as hell isn’t getting
put back underground, nor is it sticking with the gravity of Earth,
along with our failing geomagnetic force isn’t exactly helping to hold
onto what we and the natural geothermal ventings are releasing. For
all w know, the all-inclusive helium loss could be as great as 3e7
tonnes/year, though eventually this should reduce or taper off, simply
because we’ll eventually be running ourselves out of methods for
extracting hydrocarbons, and then it’ll only be the natural outflux of
helium taking place.
You’d think by now we’d have a better objective scientific map and
monitor of this volume of helium leakage, but sadly we don’t and as
far as I can tell no one actually cares. So the best we can do is to
independently investigate and further estimate from secondary sources
and to use deductive science in order to determine the extent of our
helium loss, and to otherwise further appreciate the consequences
(none of which are positive, because this planet can not afford to
keep losing its precious cache of helium). Of course any planet or
moon that over time weighs less is going to heat and cool faster, not
that any one seems to care about that either.
However, just to imagine if 10% of the necessary metallicity for
sustaining those future generations that’ll be paying rather dearly
for their hydrocarbons plus whatever terrestrial metals were instead
obtained via off-world resources should seem like a really good idea,
as well as a representing those necessary steps in the right direction
for humanity to expand off-world instead of always having to make due
with ten billion cranky humans on a world that can’t honestly afford
to do so. Only our resident naysayers would object to this
interpretation and alternative policy of being perfectly honest, but
instead they have not only their motives, opportunity and the means,
but their boss also has multiple consequences if any of his/her troops
should fail to prevail at keeping their mainstream status-quo in
charge of everything.
extract those elements of metallicity plus make cozy room for billions
more of us, and there’s always my 100 km tall spires with their 10:1
ratio of a 10 x 10 km (100 km2) surface base area (+10% larger
foundation) and its 1 km2 top floor could easily help accommodate
billions more at the least amount of energy and outside resources, not
that many of us even deserve to have this planet as is, and naturally
because this isn’t your idea means that it isn’t ever going to
happen. Instead the continued protection of those idiots in charge of
our government and their many agencies is perhaps the main reason why
the rest of us are forever stuck with having to elect idiots instead
of the sorts of expertise that yourself and only a few others
represent.
Problem is, as long as history that's published as K-12 textbooks and
only verified by the victors, can't ever get independently revised in
order to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth, kind of
insures that nothing major is ever going to change for the better.
Mook can't even get his better stuff off the ground (so to speak), and
that $18 million dollar island for his new and improved energy
independent republic is just another example of what's not going to
happen, at least not in his lifetime. So instead, we all get older,
crankier and eventually die with absolutely nothing about history
revised or seeing any shift in policy that could reduce the social/
political disparity that has so many of us financially drained and in
the dumps.
Perhaps the next energy starved generation(s) will get to takeover
where you and I left off, though somehow I kind of doubt they'll be
either smart enough or brave enough to do so.
-
Since there are only a few of us trying to honestly make a positive/
constructive difference, whereas the vast majority in these Usenet/
newsgroups are only here as mainstream FUD-masters in order to
accomplish as much damage-control as possible, is why newcomers or the
general public of K-12 and higher educated need to remain tough at
taking mainstream flack from most every angle, because topics like
this one can get downright testy at returning the favor with all the
love and affection that I can muster.
Terrestrial hydrocarbons are in fact going to become our most damaging
folly towards expediting the ongoing demise of our frail environment,
not that hydrocarbons haven’t contributed to the advancements of
humanity in spite of their already having done more damage than good
by indirectly fueling our faith-based cultivated rage and distrust of
most other humans, plus expediting the systematic demise of far too
many highly complex species that took millions of years to evolve
before any embryo of a primitive human ever existed, whereas we’ve
managed to eradicate them within a few centuries (most extensively
during this last century).
In spite of nature venting plus how extra dreadful we’ve made this
world for most of us, the staggering task of salvaging Earth and
accommodating billions more of us is still going to be relatively easy
compared to going after the greater off-world prosperity that’s
represented by our moon and Venus, replacing hydrocarbons with rare
metallicity and preferably using hydrogen, thorium, geothermal and
Li-6 + H-D fusion instead of our perpetual dependency on
hydrocarbons. This doesn’t mean that hydrocarbons are going to get
banished or otherwise entirely excluded, but instead more selectively
utilized along with HTP that’s easily formulated to suit, or nearly
replaced by using hydrogen and thereby stretching those expensive
hydrocarbons and minimizing their impact by at least a good 5 fold,
along with considerable health benefits that are at least worth a
thousand fold.
One option is to allow competitive off-world metallicity resourcing.
Naturally the off-world cost of anything is kind of relative, such as
how Big Energy managed to go along with starting and sustaining bogus
wars is what also enabled our very own oil explorations and
extractions to become viable, as well as those oily-sands as Canadian
alternatives that are clearly a negative energy coefficient and a
maximum pollution tradeoff that our next ten generations will never
see any direct nor indirect benefit from, but what the hell, at least
it’s keeping our hydrocarbon addiction going. This same global
inflation makes spent or depleted mineral mining viable and even worth
the extra energy and human risk, all because of the contrived
shortages and obvious hoarding by those that could care less what
global trauma and carnage takes place.
No doubt the surface environment of Venus is going to remain much
worse than any hot potato. However, that scorching hot planet has
lots of its metallicity in those valuable raw elements to offer, and
fortunately there’s no shortage of renewable energy to process any of
it. But naturally, we can just keep ignoring this and/or avoiding the
opportunity to take our fair share of its valuable elements that could
make our world a whole lot better and safer place to live, as I'm
certain that our terrestrial robber-baron oligarchs and Rothschilds
would dearly love if we'd just forget about ever exploiting the likes
of our moon and that extremely nearby planet, Venus.
Going after off-world elements (including hydrocarbons) may at first
seem kind of spendy, although once past their breakeven point it’s all
good, and off-world metallicity alone can make that investment
breakeven happen much sooner than our mainstream mafia oligarchs and
Rothschilds are putting us on about. Unlike terrestrial hydrocarbons
costing us trillions each and every year, from our direct consumption
plus via industrial, commercial and government spending on such that’s
strictly need-to-know because they (DoD, Pentagon and a good dozen
other agencies) seriously manage to consume mass quantities of
hydrocarbons, in that some of which gets paid for in ways other than
direct currency (such as in exchange for their off-shore facilities,
drugs and weapons, or in exchange for certain social/political favors
that the next generations gets to pay for in ways of consequences and/
or as karma that’s even more convoluted and spendy than we’re being
told).
Obviously I’m not suggesting that actual liquids or even solid forms
of hydrocarbons be exploited away from off-world resources, because
that’s just silly, however there are a number of hydrocarbon related
products or synthetic derivatives which might qualify. Even 90% HTP
can be bulk manufactured for as little as $0.5/kg (cheaper if produced
via Mokenergy as solar derived HTP) and has a wholesale value of $10/
kg (not including its spendy shipping that’s based almost entirely on
FUD orchestrated paranoia, that could easily double that cost) and
when diluted 30:1 brings its wholesale worth up to roughly $300/kg,
though perhaps a solid cryogenic inert form of 99% HTP or even
modified as a crystallized Acetone Peroxide could become further
modified in order to suit its extremely high density form of 5.3 km/
sec explosive energy, by adding something for stabilization that could
be easily removed.
http://www.peroxidepropulsion.com/hydrogen-peroxide.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide
Raw hydrocarbons via coal, oil and natural gas are always laced with
all sorts of other undesirable elements, some of which are nearly
inert or quite harmless, others potentially valuable while many are
just downright nasty and spendy to safely get rid of, such as the safe
removal and storage or disposal of mercury from coal is so nasty and
spendy to accomplish that most global Big Energy consumption of coal
doesn’t hardly bother, because it’s always the old and next generation
that get to suffer and pay for everything (including our paying for
whatever future genetic mutations plus environmental consequences that
are pretty much all bad).
So, instead of our going for as much as possible all-electric by using
renewable resources plus failsafe thorium which Earth has way more
than enough as is (wouldn’t have cost us 10% of using conventional
uranium fueled reactors), why is the honest all-inclusive cost and/or
impact of even astronomy and so many other research things so often
impossible for us to quantify? (especially whenever public-funded
special interest groups or just Big Energy plus metallicity hoarding
gets involved by forcing us to stick with their terrestrial resources
that are knowingly toxic and getting spendy in more ways than anyone
cares to mention). In other words, supposedly it all adds up, but
without the honest accounting there’s simply nothing that’s
sufficiently all-inclusive to add up, and apparently that’s exactly
how those in charge intend to keep it.
Even the ongoing and artificially accelerated rate of helium loss
isn’t allowed to be discussed, as though it’s another one of those
need-to-know or nondisclosure taboo topics that simply offers too much
potential doom and gloom even for our resident FUD-masters to spin
into something harmless. Obviously the eliminations and/or
orchestrated demise of such Earth science missions like OCO was a
critical damage-control accomplishment that directly benefits Big
Energy, as well as covers any number of government butts, because
quantifying and mapping global pollution from natural and artificial
sources is obviously something best left hidden or simply obfuscated/
excluded from the rest of us, and it’s either minimized and/or
discredited within any serious Usenet newsgroup topics that mainstream
investigative media might accidentally stumble upon.
Perhaps if we collectively blowout the equivalent of that Gulf BP
fiasco every other month or so could make this planet better implode.
By dumping plus venting six million tonnes of hydrocarbons per year in
addition to what those not so little volumes we manage to consume,
could actually be a very good thing that we’re just not quite smart
enough to appreciate the benefits of CO2, CO, NOx and those sooty and
acidic water vapor variations plus loads of extra helium and a good
dozen other unnatural elements (some fortified with the genetically
toxic molecular mutagen of Corexit), that instead should have stayed
deep underground until we have a failsafe method of extracting only
the methane without having to process and/or release those nasty
elements.
Without a good enough reason or motivation for creating and consuming
vast amounts of renewable hydrogen that’s easily and cheaply made via
solar energy or derived from most any form of surplus energy (same
goes for creating HTP), much less bothering to use Li-6 + H-D for its
terrific fusion energy, perhaps there’s no reason to kid ourselves
that remaining hooked on terrestrial hydrocarbons is supposedly a good
thing and well worth all the wars, pollution, global inflation and the
wealth disparity it can muster. Perhaps we just need to rethink like
an oligarch Rothschild, and everything will turn out perfectly fine
and dandy, in spite of all the helium loss plus hydrocarbon trauma
we’ve imposed upon our world.
Oops! there I go, ranting off like a village idiot again, by this
manifesto mentioning that very bad word “helium”. Sorry about that.
“In the Earth's atmosphere, the concentration of helium by volume is
only 5.2 parts per million. The concentration is low and fairly
constant despite the continuous production of new helium because most
helium in the Earth's atmosphere escapes into space by several
processes.”
Unavoidably we get a little extra shot of helium(He) with every
extracted barrel of oil, plus lots more with every cubic meter of
natural gas, to go along with those amounts of He outflux given off by
natural geology, and that’s even human assisted because our biology
and most of whatever we do really doesn’t require nor retain helium.
Essentially, every kg of He that comes out of Earth plus via nuclear
reactors is leaked, vented or essentially given away because it isn’t
getting forever stored nor put back into Earth.
It’s suggested that the natural leakage of helium that’s sustaining
our atmospheric 5.24 ppm is only worth 3000 tonnes per year, but
that’s a total crock. All one needs to do is add up all the vented,
flared and consumed natural gas that always has a percentage of
helium, though most of it is below 1% and only some of it gets as high
as 7% He saturated. As per consuming 3.65e12 m3/yr and given only
0.1% as He = 650,000 tonnes/year, and try to remember that’s using
just an extremely conservative 0.1% as He, and that’s also not
accounting for those blowouts, flaring, leakage nor the volumes taken
directly by Big Energy consumption that supposedly doesn’t count, so
more than likely from natural gas alone we’re looking at 6.5e6 tonnes/
yr that’s getting away from us, because it sure as hell isn’t getting
put back underground, nor is it sticking with the gravity of Earth,
along with our failing geomagnetic force isn’t exactly helping to hold
onto what we and the natural geothermal ventings are releasing. For
all w know, the all-inclusive helium loss could be as great as 3e7
tonnes/year, though eventually this should reduce or taper off, simply
because we’ll eventually be running ourselves out of methods for
extracting hydrocarbons, and then it’ll only be the natural outflux of
helium taking place.
You’d think by now we’d have a better objective scientific map and
monitor of this volume of helium leakage, but sadly we don’t and as
far as I can tell no one actually cares. So the best we can do is to
independently investigate and further estimate from secondary sources
and to use deductive science in order to determine the extent of our
helium loss, and to otherwise further appreciate the consequences
(none of which are positive, because this planet can not afford to
keep losing its precious cache of helium). Of course any planet or
moon that over time weighs less is going to heat and cool faster, not
that any one seems to care about that either.
However, just to imagine if 10% of the necessary metallicity for
sustaining those future generations that’ll be paying rather dearly
for their hydrocarbons plus whatever terrestrial metals were instead
obtained via off-world resources should seem like a really good idea,
as well as a representing those necessary steps in the right direction
for humanity to expand off-world instead of always having to make due
with ten billion cranky humans on a world that can’t honestly afford
to do so. Only our resident naysayers would object to this
interpretation and alternative policy of being perfectly honest, but
instead they have not only their motives, opportunity and the means,
but their boss also has multiple consequences if any of his/her troops
should fail to prevail at keeping their mainstream status-quo in
charge of everything.
On Jan 6, 10:04 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Jan 8, 2012, 11:53:47 AM1/8/12
to
I’ve always known that REE(rare earth elements) are not exactly rare
or even all that hard to find, but only because of their minimal
portion or PPB(parts per billion) of any given soil, rock or even from
concentrated ore samples means that several metallicity elements which
are extremely useful and often in high demand are made even more
spendy, due to the need of such volumetric excavating and processing.
This rare element value gets further exaggerated when such REEs are
being horded by a few insiders or those pesky oligarchs (aka
Bilderbergs and Rothschilds) that always seem to know a good thing to
exploit.
TBMs(tunnel boring machines) and automation makes for extracting REEs
a whole lot more viable, although the impact on the local environment
and energy consumed (often including vast amounts of fresh water
consumption and otherwise causing pollution that includes releasing
toxins and even radioactive elements plus always releasing trapped
hydrogen and helium) is kind of getting out of hand, not to mention
for the lives of miners continually put at risk and too often killed
by the thousands every year just by going after common hydrocarbons.
William Mook knows more than most of us combined about the potential
values and risk of terrestrial and off-world mining for REEs and
REOs(rare earth oxides). He often researches extensively through
public documents and is always willing to share those findings.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2002/fs087-02/
““Rare” earth elements is a historical misnomer; persistence of the
term reflects unfamiliarity rather than true rarity. The more abundant
REE are each similar in crustal concentration to commonplace
industrial metals such as chromium, nickel, copper, zinc, molybdenum,
tin, tungsten, or lead (fig. 4). Even the two least abundant REE (Tm,
Lu) are nearly 200 times more common than gold. However, in contrast
to ordinary base and precious metals, REE have very little tendency to
become concentrated in exploitable ore deposits. Consequently, most of
the world’s supply of REE comes from only a handful of sources.”
“Differences in abundances of individual REE in the upper continental
crust of the Earth (figs. 3, 4) represent the super-position of two
effects, one nuclear and one geochemical. First, REE with even atomic
numbers (58Ce, 60Nd, …) have greater cosmic and terrestrial abundances
than adjacent REE with odd atomic numbers (57La, 59Pr, …). Second, the
lighter REE are more incompatible (because they have larger ionic
radii) and therefore more strongly concentrated in the continental
crust than the heavier REE. In most rare earth deposits, the first
four REE—La, Ce, Pr, and Nd—constitute 80 to 99% of the total.
Therefore, deposits containing relatively high grades of the scarcer
and more valuable heavy REE (HREE: Gd to Lu, Y) and Eu are
particularly desirable.”
So it’s kind of imperative to keep this REE and REO stuff in
perspective as to the market demand and the necessary efforts for
obtaining such without destroying our environment, bankrupting us or
getting anyone killed in the process, much less causing wars or even
unnecessary disparity.
Ideally, going off-world kind of minimizes the terrestrial environment
impact, as well as reducing the expended energy per given kg or tonne
of whatever REE and REO. If the off-world exploitation of a given
asteroid, moon or other planet is mostly robotic is yet another great
advantage whenever miners do not have to needlessly risk their lives.
Better yet is when these off-world mining, processing and final export
of pure elements are sent back to Earth is extensively accomplished
with off-world energy resources.
A nearly carbonado hard kind of fused crust of mostly paramagnetic
basalt that our moon seems to be made of, is certainly going to
represent a tough issue for TBMs. However, a much thinner and
geothermally active crust such as represented by the planet Venus
isn’t going to be nearly as problematic, especially when so much of
its metallicity is getting actively delivered to the surface via
natural vents and numerous volcanic lava/mud discharges. There’s also
no shortage of local energy on Venus, not to mention the terrific
benefits of that highly protective atmosphere, 10% less gravity and
the 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy seems rather hard to ignore.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
or even all that hard to find, but only because of their minimal
portion or PPB(parts per billion) of any given soil, rock or even from
concentrated ore samples means that several metallicity elements which
are extremely useful and often in high demand are made even more
spendy, due to the need of such volumetric excavating and processing.
This rare element value gets further exaggerated when such REEs are
being horded by a few insiders or those pesky oligarchs (aka
Bilderbergs and Rothschilds) that always seem to know a good thing to
exploit.
TBMs(tunnel boring machines) and automation makes for extracting REEs
a whole lot more viable, although the impact on the local environment
and energy consumed (often including vast amounts of fresh water
consumption and otherwise causing pollution that includes releasing
toxins and even radioactive elements plus always releasing trapped
hydrogen and helium) is kind of getting out of hand, not to mention
for the lives of miners continually put at risk and too often killed
by the thousands every year just by going after common hydrocarbons.
William Mook knows more than most of us combined about the potential
values and risk of terrestrial and off-world mining for REEs and
REOs(rare earth oxides). He often researches extensively through
public documents and is always willing to share those findings.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2002/fs087-02/
““Rare” earth elements is a historical misnomer; persistence of the
term reflects unfamiliarity rather than true rarity. The more abundant
REE are each similar in crustal concentration to commonplace
industrial metals such as chromium, nickel, copper, zinc, molybdenum,
tin, tungsten, or lead (fig. 4). Even the two least abundant REE (Tm,
Lu) are nearly 200 times more common than gold. However, in contrast
to ordinary base and precious metals, REE have very little tendency to
become concentrated in exploitable ore deposits. Consequently, most of
the world’s supply of REE comes from only a handful of sources.”
“Differences in abundances of individual REE in the upper continental
crust of the Earth (figs. 3, 4) represent the super-position of two
effects, one nuclear and one geochemical. First, REE with even atomic
numbers (58Ce, 60Nd, …) have greater cosmic and terrestrial abundances
than adjacent REE with odd atomic numbers (57La, 59Pr, …). Second, the
lighter REE are more incompatible (because they have larger ionic
radii) and therefore more strongly concentrated in the continental
crust than the heavier REE. In most rare earth deposits, the first
four REE—La, Ce, Pr, and Nd—constitute 80 to 99% of the total.
Therefore, deposits containing relatively high grades of the scarcer
and more valuable heavy REE (HREE: Gd to Lu, Y) and Eu are
particularly desirable.”
So it’s kind of imperative to keep this REE and REO stuff in
perspective as to the market demand and the necessary efforts for
obtaining such without destroying our environment, bankrupting us or
getting anyone killed in the process, much less causing wars or even
unnecessary disparity.
Ideally, going off-world kind of minimizes the terrestrial environment
impact, as well as reducing the expended energy per given kg or tonne
of whatever REE and REO. If the off-world exploitation of a given
asteroid, moon or other planet is mostly robotic is yet another great
advantage whenever miners do not have to needlessly risk their lives.
Better yet is when these off-world mining, processing and final export
of pure elements are sent back to Earth is extensively accomplished
with off-world energy resources.
A nearly carbonado hard kind of fused crust of mostly paramagnetic
basalt that our moon seems to be made of, is certainly going to
represent a tough issue for TBMs. However, a much thinner and
geothermally active crust such as represented by the planet Venus
isn’t going to be nearly as problematic, especially when so much of
its metallicity is getting actively delivered to the surface via
natural vents and numerous volcanic lava/mud discharges. There’s also
no shortage of local energy on Venus, not to mention the terrific
benefits of that highly protective atmosphere, 10% less gravity and
the 65+ kg/m3 buoyancy seems rather hard to ignore.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
On Jan 6, 10:04 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Jan 8, 2012, 1:33:53 PM1/8/12
to
Venus might as well be considered an exoplanet, that’s not only too
far away but otherwise strictly forbidden or mainstream taboo/
nondisclosure rated (at least that’s what our resident FUD-masters
prefer). However, once you have evolved with IR visual sensitivity,
even the nighttime season on Venus becomes nearly as bright as day.
This is still not saying that Venusian Goldilocks get to frolic about
outside in the nude.
The seemingly intentional quarry, moving and arranging of big rocks
might tend to suggest great strength and resolve on behalf of such
usage of rock as having been cut, designed and engineered to suit, as
offering some intelligent degree of rational function that’s most
likely habitat and survival related. For example, those clearly side
by side and multiple rectangular quarry sites on Venus many offer a
perfectly deductive indication as to where some of their basic
construction materials came from. (as well as no sense going any
further than you have to)
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Thumbnail images, including the mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
Of course those quarry operations and moving of really big rocks on
such a unique planet as Venus is extremely simple and efficient when
you’ve got unlimited local energy that’s clean and renewable, only
90.5% gravity and a whopping 65 kg/m3 of atmospheric buoyancy to work
with. However, at best Venus is not going to represent any Avatar
Pandora nor like any other kind of science fiction depicted planet or
moon of forbidden nature, at least not to most of us, because it’s
still extremely hot (though relatively dry and inert).
Unlike the naked surface of our physically dark moon that’s of a
mostly thick crusted kind of fused basalt, as having sufficient
metallicity of magnetic susceptibility as to being highly
paramagnetic, which also gets direct cosmic and solar wind blasted as
well as getting roasted by day plus cryogenic traumatized by night and
always physically pulverized to death by everything it runs into,
whereas the kind of newish reformed surface of Venus is rather nicely
protected from the influx of such potentially devastating elements
such as solar and cosmic radiation and even direct physical trauma is
minimized, as well as the toasty environment below those highly
protective clouds is relatively uniform and calm unless your composite
rigid airship is going directly over a geothermal vent.
From what little I know of thermal insulation and refrigeration or air
conditioning, it doesn’t take much rock to fabricate into well
insulated structures, especially when common basalt can be so easily
processed into terrific fibers and micro-spheres or milli-spheres that
can achieve R-1024/meter as offering a thermal insulation barrier
coefficient transfer of .0009765 watt per meter per K of whatever
thermal differential you’d care to achieve, simply isn’t going to
demand all that much energy to offset 450 K, whereas only .44 w/m2 is
necessary if you wanted a 300 K interior. Even a few extra meters of
solid rock is perfectly capable of fending off huge amounts of thermal
energy (unless whatever’s inside is hotter than outside is obviously
going to be problematic, such as the geothermal interior of Venus).
Of course you can always pretend that the one and only intelligence in
the universe that counts is stuck right here on Earth, and therefore
anything that looks the least bit complex infrastructure worthy about
Venus can be safely naysay and thought of as just highly unusual
geology that accomplishes weird stuff that’s unheard of and somewhat
beyond the known laws of physics, just like we can keep pretending
that Muslims always had those WMD and that our government with their
vast array of agencies that so often get to do as they please, had
absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with causing 9/11 or the systemic
demise of our investments, job security and global inflation that
hurts the lower 99.9% at least ten fold worse than it hurts the upper
most 0.1% that always get and/or simply take whatever compensations as
well as receiving public bailout loot to suit their personal needs
above all others.
Oops, I sort of got myself into my old cranky manifesto, as thinking
those of authority have been taking us lower 99.9% to the cleaners,
and that it’s directly because of their faith-based and/or political
policies of self preservation is why we haven’t accomplished anything
with our moon or Venus. No doubt the top priority of their FUD-
masters is to keep the rest of us as village idiots full of “Fear,
Uncertainty and Doubt”, so that we don’t bother to consider anything
about our moon or Venus as ever humanly viable. In other words, we’re
supposed to forget about physics, science and technology that could
make most any environment (hot or cold, vacuum or pressure) into a
perfectly survivable situation, not to mention whatever a little
genetic engineering plus biological and physiological modifications to
suit could manage.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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far away but otherwise strictly forbidden or mainstream taboo/
nondisclosure rated (at least that’s what our resident FUD-masters
prefer). However, once you have evolved with IR visual sensitivity,
even the nighttime season on Venus becomes nearly as bright as day.
This is still not saying that Venusian Goldilocks get to frolic about
outside in the nude.
The seemingly intentional quarry, moving and arranging of big rocks
might tend to suggest great strength and resolve on behalf of such
usage of rock as having been cut, designed and engineered to suit, as
offering some intelligent degree of rational function that’s most
likely habitat and survival related. For example, those clearly side
by side and multiple rectangular quarry sites on Venus many offer a
perfectly deductive indication as to where some of their basic
construction materials came from. (as well as no sense going any
further than you have to)
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Thumbnail images, including the mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
Of course those quarry operations and moving of really big rocks on
such a unique planet as Venus is extremely simple and efficient when
you’ve got unlimited local energy that’s clean and renewable, only
90.5% gravity and a whopping 65 kg/m3 of atmospheric buoyancy to work
with. However, at best Venus is not going to represent any Avatar
Pandora nor like any other kind of science fiction depicted planet or
moon of forbidden nature, at least not to most of us, because it’s
still extremely hot (though relatively dry and inert).
Unlike the naked surface of our physically dark moon that’s of a
mostly thick crusted kind of fused basalt, as having sufficient
metallicity of magnetic susceptibility as to being highly
paramagnetic, which also gets direct cosmic and solar wind blasted as
well as getting roasted by day plus cryogenic traumatized by night and
always physically pulverized to death by everything it runs into,
whereas the kind of newish reformed surface of Venus is rather nicely
protected from the influx of such potentially devastating elements
such as solar and cosmic radiation and even direct physical trauma is
minimized, as well as the toasty environment below those highly
protective clouds is relatively uniform and calm unless your composite
rigid airship is going directly over a geothermal vent.
From what little I know of thermal insulation and refrigeration or air
conditioning, it doesn’t take much rock to fabricate into well
insulated structures, especially when common basalt can be so easily
processed into terrific fibers and micro-spheres or milli-spheres that
can achieve R-1024/meter as offering a thermal insulation barrier
coefficient transfer of .0009765 watt per meter per K of whatever
thermal differential you’d care to achieve, simply isn’t going to
demand all that much energy to offset 450 K, whereas only .44 w/m2 is
necessary if you wanted a 300 K interior. Even a few extra meters of
solid rock is perfectly capable of fending off huge amounts of thermal
energy (unless whatever’s inside is hotter than outside is obviously
going to be problematic, such as the geothermal interior of Venus).
Of course you can always pretend that the one and only intelligence in
the universe that counts is stuck right here on Earth, and therefore
anything that looks the least bit complex infrastructure worthy about
Venus can be safely naysay and thought of as just highly unusual
geology that accomplishes weird stuff that’s unheard of and somewhat
beyond the known laws of physics, just like we can keep pretending
that Muslims always had those WMD and that our government with their
vast array of agencies that so often get to do as they please, had
absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with causing 9/11 or the systemic
demise of our investments, job security and global inflation that
hurts the lower 99.9% at least ten fold worse than it hurts the upper
most 0.1% that always get and/or simply take whatever compensations as
well as receiving public bailout loot to suit their personal needs
above all others.
Oops, I sort of got myself into my old cranky manifesto, as thinking
those of authority have been taking us lower 99.9% to the cleaners,
and that it’s directly because of their faith-based and/or political
policies of self preservation is why we haven’t accomplished anything
with our moon or Venus. No doubt the top priority of their FUD-
masters is to keep the rest of us as village idiots full of “Fear,
Uncertainty and Doubt”, so that we don’t bother to consider anything
about our moon or Venus as ever humanly viable. In other words, we’re
supposed to forget about physics, science and technology that could
make most any environment (hot or cold, vacuum or pressure) into a
perfectly survivable situation, not to mention whatever a little
genetic engineering plus biological and physiological modifications to
suit could manage.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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Brad Guth
Jan 8, 2012, 10:36:30 PM1/8/12
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Brad Guth
Jan 9, 2012, 12:38:53 PM1/9/12
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as well as for utilizing composites that could care less about
pressure, heat or even hot acids?
Should be lots of gold on Venus, so why not use an alloy of gold
instead of lead?
Unless water is frozen solid, you can't walk on it. So, why bother
trying prove otherwise?
Are all ZNR approved rednecks as easily snookered and dumbfounded as
yourself?
Brad Guth
Jan 9, 2012, 1:23:46 PM1/9/12
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With many of our terrestrial elements, it seems we are already
Perhaps it's past due that we the evil unstatus-quo villagers with
evil(s), and may the best bad-guys win. Of course it’s only the most
each of our fist full of burning sticks should take charge, and if
need be storm and burn down the castles of those evil robber barons
oppressing and misguiding us, because to William Mook and many others,
with applied physics and existing technology this planet of ours can
accommodate billions more without our having to go off-world in
seeking greater riches and/or in further pursuit of even the basics
that’ll be required for sustaining terrestrial life as we know it. Of
course the already rich and powerful could care less, because they
honestly think they’ve got it made no matters what local or global
consequences take place. So, it's kind of the new evil of us village
idiots going up against the old established collective oligarch
need be storm and burn down the castles of those evil robber barons
oppressing and misguiding us, because to William Mook and many others,
with applied physics and existing technology this planet of ours can
accommodate billions more without our having to go off-world in
seeking greater riches and/or in further pursuit of even the basics
that’ll be required for sustaining terrestrial life as we know it. Of
course the already rich and powerful could care less, because they
honestly think they’ve got it made no matters what local or global
consequences take place. So, it's kind of the new evil of us village
evil(s), and may the best bad-guys win. Of course it’s only the most
evil victors that ever get to interpret and publish their version of
history, so that whatever mistakes or do-overs at public expense can
be forgotten and/or continually blamed on those other evil bad guys
that were the losers. Clearly, it seems only us few good guys of
Usenet/newsgroups are the losers, perhaps because we didn’t get to
cheat and obfuscate our way to the top.
history, so that whatever mistakes or do-overs at public expense can
be forgotten and/or continually blamed on those other evil bad guys
that were the losers. Clearly, it seems only us few good guys of
Usenet/newsgroups are the losers, perhaps because we didn’t get to
cheat and obfuscate our way to the top.
Brad Guth
Jan 9, 2012, 5:55:47 PM1/9/12
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With many of our terrestrial elements, it seems we are already
approaching “Peak Ore”, and for some rare-earths it has already gotten
us a little past peak-ore because, the inflated cost of obtaining such
approaching “Peak Ore”, and for some rare-earths it has already gotten
natural elements has gotten more complex and spendy than artificially
creating some of them, or simply doing without by having to substitute
with other composite alloys. Iridium happens to be one of those rare-
earth elements, whereas carboneous chrondite meteors and asteroids
known as C(4), and this type most likely includes portions of our
naked moon because it’s acting as such a terrific anticathode for
gamma, can be rather highly saturated enough to be worth going after.
No doubt asteroid YU55 is a C(4), so perhaps it’s no wonder they (NASA/
DARPA/JPL/ASU and all others associated) obfuscated by having never
earth elements, whereas carboneous chrondite meteors and asteroids
known as C(4), and this type most likely includes portions of our
naked moon because it’s acting as such a terrific anticathode for
gamma, can be rather highly saturated enough to be worth going after.
No doubt asteroid YU55 is a C(4), so perhaps it’s no wonder they (NASA/
though modern cameras have considerably better dynamic range of
contrast and colors (including IR to UV) than any Kodak color film
could possibly offer.
Perhaps going after such off-world metallicity is actually a very good
thing, not that digging up and/or excavating our way through another
fraction of a percent of our Eden, plus extensive recycling shouldn’t
get us by (in between all the usual environmental compromises, mostly
negative consequences, international and racial/ethnicity conflicts
that usually involve some degree of faith-based policy, and wars often
related to terrestrial metallicity and hydrocarbons derived from the
very existence of such elements that are getting harder to come by).
contrast and colors (including IR to UV) than any Kodak color film
could possibly offer.
Perhaps going after such off-world metallicity is actually a very good
thing, not that digging up and/or excavating our way through another
fraction of a percent of our Eden, plus extensive recycling shouldn’t
get us by (in between all the usual environmental compromises, mostly
negative consequences, international and racial/ethnicity conflicts
that usually involve some degree of faith-based policy, and wars often
related to terrestrial metallicity and hydrocarbons derived from the
Thus far we’ve processed through and/or having excavated and sucked
dry roughly .000001% of our planet as is, and that ten billionths of
our planet is only worth 60 trillion tonnes. However, adding in what
we’ve intentionally and accidentally cleared and/or having cultivated
and helped erode to death is perhaps worth an all-inclusive 6
dry roughly .000001% of our planet as is, and that ten billionths of
our planet is only worth 60 trillion tonnes. However, adding in what
we’ve intentionally and accidentally cleared and/or having cultivated
quadrillion tonnes (.0001% or 6000 trillion tonnes) thus far (not
including the glacial ice we’re melting), so perhaps we’ve still got a
really long ways to go before ever reaching that dreaded point of no
return, of our having to meticulously sift through 0.1% of Earth in
order to squeeze out those last drops or cubic meters of hydrocarbons
plus extracting those valuable metallicity elements, that which might
not even be possible without our going below our relatively thin
crust, is another good thousand years of considerable disparity and
wars upon wars away.
Perhaps this is why the ruling oligarchs and Rothschilds of our planet
could honestly care less about funding or allowing any such public or
private investments on behalf of going after any off-world expeditions
return, of our having to meticulously sift through 0.1% of Earth in
order to squeeze out those last drops or cubic meters of hydrocarbons
plus extracting those valuable metallicity elements, that which might
not even be possible without our going below our relatively thin
crust, is another good thousand years of considerable disparity and
wars upon wars away.
Perhaps this is why the ruling oligarchs and Rothschilds of our planet
could honestly care less about funding or allowing any such public or
or advancing applied technology towards those sorts of metallicity
goals, because we still have sufficient terrestrial resources plus
easily contrived shortages to exploit as is, and why spoil a good
goals, because we still have sufficient terrestrial resources plus
thing.
Brad Guth
Jan 9, 2012, 6:58:44 PM1/9/12
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The extremely nearby planet Venus is actually the ultimate metallicity
mother-lode, not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly
deficient nor offering inert matter as highly reflective and
monochromatic as depicted by most of those NASA/Apollo and Kodak film
recoded images of those mostly monochromatic pastel grays with no hint
of paramagnetic or diamagnetic metallicity nor anything the least bit
UV reactive. Such off-world metallicity is simply offering us the
isn’t going to implode on us, the moon isn’t ever going to fall back
on us, Sirius will miss us by light years and that our current or
to-know or simply applied obfuscation in order to avoid sharing the
public-funded whole truth and nothing but the truth.
> http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/21/earth-has-other-moons-astro...
mother-lode, not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly
deficient nor offering inert matter as highly reflective and
monochromatic as depicted by most of those NASA/Apollo and Kodak film
recoded images of those mostly monochromatic pastel grays with no hint
of paramagnetic or diamagnetic metallicity nor anything the least bit
UV reactive. Such off-world metallicity is simply offering us the
next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly profitable metallicity
prosperity era providing darn good employment plus extremely valuable
resources that our planet as is seems to be running out of affordable
and much less environmentally failsafe options, not to mention the
past and ongoing environmental plus genetic trauma that’s causing
genetic mutations by existing methods that can be directly linked to
existing mining, hydrocarbon extractions, various processing
activities and methods of forced cultivation and product distributions
for our use and consumption, in order to sustain the mainstream status
quo that is supposedly never responsible for anything bad that ever
happens.
Assuming our sun is good to go for billions of years, our planet Earth
prosperity era providing darn good employment plus extremely valuable
resources that our planet as is seems to be running out of affordable
and much less environmentally failsafe options, not to mention the
past and ongoing environmental plus genetic trauma that’s causing
genetic mutations by existing methods that can be directly linked to
existing mining, hydrocarbon extractions, various processing
activities and methods of forced cultivation and product distributions
for our use and consumption, in order to sustain the mainstream status
quo that is supposedly never responsible for anything bad that ever
happens.
isn’t going to implode on us, the moon isn’t ever going to fall back
on us, Sirius will miss us by light years and that our current or
future leaders are not going to cause WW3 or any other wars to happen,
or that our terrestrial metallicity cache of common and rare metals,
minerals, hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity
are never going to get depleted past the point of no return, the only
valid reason for going off-world is simply for the greater fun,
profits and affording less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment
that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that
our planet has to accommodate billions more of us humans on their way,
or that our terrestrial metallicity cache of common and rare metals,
minerals, hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity
are never going to get depleted past the point of no return, the only
valid reason for going off-world is simply for the greater fun,
profits and affording less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment
that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that
plus coping with our escalating GW/AGW factor that’s compromising
virtually everything we know and supposedly cherish about our
overpopulated planet as is.
Therefore, regardless of the initial cost for going off-world
virtually everything we know and supposedly cherish about our
overpopulated planet as is.
shouldn’t be such a bad thing, especially when our trusty moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus are each so locally accessible, and even
our NASA/Apollo era proved how downright passive and oddly inert our
moon was to safely land upon and spend time without any fears of
excessive radiation, thermal shock or other physical risk. In other
words, compared to the use of modern-day stuff, the fairly primitive
applied technology for those Apollo fly-by-rocket landers plus safely
extremely nearby planet Venus are each so locally accessible, and even
our NASA/Apollo era proved how downright passive and oddly inert our
moon was to safely land upon and spend time without any fears of
excessive radiation, thermal shock or other physical risk. In other
words, compared to the use of modern-day stuff, the fairly primitive
public-funded whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Brad Guth
Jan 10, 2012, 9:58:23 AM1/10/12
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A little more in depth about the use of exoplanets, such as the
exoplanet named LLPOF(liar, liar, pants on fire), whereas we get to
send all of our politicians to govern us from this politically
saturated LLPOF exoplanet. This one would also be a darn good place
for the likes of our FEMA and the UN to operate from. Of course TBMs
excavating inside of our moon could more than accommodate everyone,
and then some, not to mention what the extremely nearby planet Venus
could have to offer.
If this LLPOF exoplanet were situated 100 ly from us would be just
about right for us, whereas whatever they care to do or not to do
would have a built-in minimum 200+ year lag from the time any
information or request is sent, and whenever their solution or new
policy for redirecting us is received. In the mean time, we'll get to
go about our daily, weekly, annual and centennial business of trading
and bartering exactly as we should, as well as creating William Mook’s
renewable energy that’s relatively cheap and environmentally friendly
(as well as including thorium fueled reactors that are also cheap and
failsafe, plus having our storm/earthquake proof energy grids brought
up to snuff and greatly expanded), as well as exploiting our moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus for all they're each worth.
No doubt whatsoever that we’ll need a perfectly devout ZNR exoplanet
(same as GOP redneck qualified), as well as having others set aside
for each and every mainstream religion (except spaced the further
apart the better). A few exoplanet prisons would also come in real
handy, whereas designated inmates are put into a biological holding
status while in transit for whatever decades that takes, then revived
upon their arriving at whatever exoplanet prison that suits their
crime(s). Come to think about it, this is probably how the most
recent species of dysfunctional humans first arrived on Earth, and it
seems from time to time others keep arriving.
Guess what; The mainstream gauntlet of Usenet/newsgroup naysayers
and status quo FUD-masters (mostly those of the redneck pretend-
Atheist, Semitic acting and ZNR nasty oligarch kind) have already had
their multiple do-overs, and thus far they've managed to screw it up
each and every time, mostly because they refuse to police their own
kind. Fix that little SNAFU and almost any planet or moon will do
quite nicely for terraforming, or simply made suitable enough for
going about adapting ourselves to its unique environment.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
exoplanet named LLPOF(liar, liar, pants on fire), whereas we get to
send all of our politicians to govern us from this politically
saturated LLPOF exoplanet. This one would also be a darn good place
for the likes of our FEMA and the UN to operate from. Of course TBMs
excavating inside of our moon could more than accommodate everyone,
and then some, not to mention what the extremely nearby planet Venus
could have to offer.
If this LLPOF exoplanet were situated 100 ly from us would be just
about right for us, whereas whatever they care to do or not to do
would have a built-in minimum 200+ year lag from the time any
information or request is sent, and whenever their solution or new
policy for redirecting us is received. In the mean time, we'll get to
go about our daily, weekly, annual and centennial business of trading
and bartering exactly as we should, as well as creating William Mook’s
renewable energy that’s relatively cheap and environmentally friendly
(as well as including thorium fueled reactors that are also cheap and
failsafe, plus having our storm/earthquake proof energy grids brought
up to snuff and greatly expanded), as well as exploiting our moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus for all they're each worth.
No doubt whatsoever that we’ll need a perfectly devout ZNR exoplanet
(same as GOP redneck qualified), as well as having others set aside
for each and every mainstream religion (except spaced the further
apart the better). A few exoplanet prisons would also come in real
handy, whereas designated inmates are put into a biological holding
status while in transit for whatever decades that takes, then revived
upon their arriving at whatever exoplanet prison that suits their
crime(s). Come to think about it, this is probably how the most
recent species of dysfunctional humans first arrived on Earth, and it
seems from time to time others keep arriving.
Guess what; The mainstream gauntlet of Usenet/newsgroup naysayers
and status quo FUD-masters (mostly those of the redneck pretend-
Atheist, Semitic acting and ZNR nasty oligarch kind) have already had
their multiple do-overs, and thus far they've managed to screw it up
each and every time, mostly because they refuse to police their own
kind. Fix that little SNAFU and almost any planet or moon will do
quite nicely for terraforming, or simply made suitable enough for
going about adapting ourselves to its unique environment.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Jan 10, 2012, 1:33:59 PM1/10/12
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Game changing is going to be absolutely imperative if this planet of
lost souls starving for hydrocarbons and other resources of basic
sustenance is ever going to stabilize and prosper as intended by those
having created and/or having allowed us to use this planet. Of course
Zionist/Jews seem to think this entire planet was specifically
intended for only their use and benefit, not that a few other
religions haven’t developed that same notion in order to survive in
spite of what the upper caste of Zionist/Jews have been getting away
with doing.
Political, corporate and especially their cloak of faith-based
corruption has to be eliminated or at least tamed unless the same old
do-overs of spendy and too often bloody failures, greed and hoarding
is what remains as our one and only mainstream status-quo option of
creating and/or sustaining disparity. Unfortunately, whomever our
republic elects to represent us as our president is still quite
deluded to think that others above this level of presidency are not
pulling strings on their own behalf, and as long as the whole truth
and nothing but the truth of our history can't ever be revised and
told to the current and next K-12 generations, there's going to be a
perpetual continuation of the same old policies that got us into this
mess of energy plus other resource depletions and/or artificial
scarcity to begin with.
Off-world exploitations of our moon and of that extremely nearby
planet Venus would make a truly big difference, as a serious game
changer that should easily prevent WW3, as well as minimize any chance
of seeing another 9/11, and you are absolutely correct that "The
corporate international energy fascists will stop at NOTHING" /
Forrest Piper.
With many of our terrestrial elements, it seems we are already
approaching “Peak Ore”, and for some rare-earths it has already gotten
us a little past Peak-Ore because, the inflated cost of obtaining such
natural elements has gotten more complex and spendy than having to
artificially create some of them, or simply further complicated by
having to doing without and/or by having to substitute with other
gamma and hard X-rays, can be rather highly saturated enough to be
seriously worth going after. No doubt asteroid YU55 is a C(4), so
perhaps it’s no wonder they (NASA/DARPA/JPL/ASU and all others
associated) obfuscated as much as they could by having never bothered
private enterprise getting wild ideas of exploiting such items that
> http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/21/earth-has-other-moons-astro...
lost souls starving for hydrocarbons and other resources of basic
sustenance is ever going to stabilize and prosper as intended by those
having created and/or having allowed us to use this planet. Of course
Zionist/Jews seem to think this entire planet was specifically
intended for only their use and benefit, not that a few other
religions haven’t developed that same notion in order to survive in
spite of what the upper caste of Zionist/Jews have been getting away
with doing.
Political, corporate and especially their cloak of faith-based
corruption has to be eliminated or at least tamed unless the same old
do-overs of spendy and too often bloody failures, greed and hoarding
is what remains as our one and only mainstream status-quo option of
creating and/or sustaining disparity. Unfortunately, whomever our
republic elects to represent us as our president is still quite
deluded to think that others above this level of presidency are not
pulling strings on their own behalf, and as long as the whole truth
and nothing but the truth of our history can't ever be revised and
told to the current and next K-12 generations, there's going to be a
perpetual continuation of the same old policies that got us into this
mess of energy plus other resource depletions and/or artificial
scarcity to begin with.
Off-world exploitations of our moon and of that extremely nearby
planet Venus would make a truly big difference, as a serious game
changer that should easily prevent WW3, as well as minimize any chance
of seeing another 9/11, and you are absolutely correct that "The
corporate international energy fascists will stop at NOTHING" /
Forrest Piper.
With many of our terrestrial elements, it seems we are already
approaching “Peak Ore”, and for some rare-earths it has already gotten
natural elements has gotten more complex and spendy than having to
artificially create some of them, or simply further complicated by
having to doing without and/or by having to substitute with other
composite alloys. Iridium happens to be one of those rare-earth
elements, whereas carboneous chrondite meteors and asteroids known as
C(4), and this type most likely includes portions of our naked moon
because it’s acting as such a terrific anticathode for giving off
elements, whereas carboneous chrondite meteors and asteroids known as
C(4), and this type most likely includes portions of our naked moon
gamma and hard X-rays, can be rather highly saturated enough to be
seriously worth going after. No doubt asteroid YU55 is a C(4), so
perhaps it’s no wonder they (NASA/DARPA/JPL/ASU and all others
associated) obfuscated as much as they could by having never bothered
to get us any gamma spectrometry for estimating its density and
subsequent mass of asteroid 2005-YU55, because they don’t seem to want
private enterprise getting wild ideas of exploiting such items that
On Jan 9, 2:55 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Jan 10, 2012, 2:26:47 PM1/10/12
to
On Jan 10, 7:44 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:
“Watch Our Own Babylon Fall in the Name of Oily Zionism”
:
: So the NWO 'script' for world control is to socialize the oil
: industry, in order to create class dependency, and thus by causing
: another war, we have depression, which equals dependency, and then
: oppression of the revolutionary energy technolog(ies), and then
: possession of the means to control the way that the anti-traction
of
: the 'revolutionary, yankee ingenuity' technolog(ies) can exempt
the
: status-quo from ever participating.
:
: What ever happened to off-planet industrialization? Globalists must
: also perceive that theirs is the only stepping stone to owning the
: universe, which is absurd...
:
: Is the U.S. Military (Ron Paul Overlords) Fighting Only for Israel's
God?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ex-adviser-obama-ready-to-strike-to-stop-iran.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/when-war-games-go-live-preparing-to-attack-iran-simulating-world-war-iii.html
> How does it do this?
> It does it by ignoring and/or avoiding the exposure of Ron Paul to the
> average voter at all costs:
> http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-ally-huntsman-is-the-establishments......
> But does this mean that Ron Paul himself is NOT an oily Zionist? IMO
> not as long as a more free international energy market represents a
> geopolitical game-changer throughout the rest of the world.
> Ron Paul himself has been silent on this - probably because even his
> constituents are only slowly beginning to awake from the last 100
> years or so, of the progressive influence on corporate America
> worldwide.
> The corporate international energy fascists will stop at NOTHING,
> including creating WWIII, in order to force the free energy markets
> into even greater subversion - but history reveals that, all
> mechanizations of war that sought to subdue peace with their own
> military strength (Spartans), and not Almighty YHWH, were eventually
> subdued themselves by other nations who recognized their bloodlust-
> gone-rampant.
have followed suit in order to survive in spite of what the upper
caste of Semites are doing to us and our world.
Political, corporate and especially their always handy cloak of faith-
based corruption has to be eliminated unless the same old do-overs of
> http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/21/earth-has-other-moons-astro...
wrote:
“Watch Our Own Babylon Fall in the Name of Oily Zionism”
:
: So the NWO 'script' for world control is to socialize the oil
: industry, in order to create class dependency, and thus by causing
: another war, we have depression, which equals dependency, and then
: oppression of the revolutionary energy technolog(ies), and then
: possession of the means to control the way that the anti-traction
of
: the 'revolutionary, yankee ingenuity' technolog(ies) can exempt
the
: status-quo from ever participating.
:
: What ever happened to off-planet industrialization? Globalists must
: also perceive that theirs is the only stepping stone to owning the
: universe, which is absurd...
:
: Is the U.S. Military (Ron Paul Overlords) Fighting Only for Israel's
God?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ex-adviser-obama-ready-to-strike-to-stop-iran.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/when-war-games-go-live-preparing-to-attack-iran-simulating-world-war-iii.html
> How does it do this?
> It does it by ignoring and/or avoiding the exposure of Ron Paul to the
> average voter at all costs:
> http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-ally-huntsman-is-the-establishments......
> But does this mean that Ron Paul himself is NOT an oily Zionist? IMO
> not as long as a more free international energy market represents a
> geopolitical game-changer throughout the rest of the world.
> Ron Paul himself has been silent on this - probably because even his
> constituents are only slowly beginning to awake from the last 100
> years or so, of the progressive influence on corporate America
> worldwide.
> The corporate international energy fascists will stop at NOTHING,
> including creating WWIII, in order to force the free energy markets
> into even greater subversion - but history reveals that, all
> mechanizations of war that sought to subdue peace with their own
> military strength (Spartans), and not Almighty YHWH, were eventually
> subdued themselves by other nations who recognized their bloodlust-
> gone-rampant.
Game changing is going to be absolutely imperative if this planet of
lost souls is ever going to stabilize and prosper as intended by those
having created and/or having allowed us to use this planet. Of course
Zionist/Jews seem to think this entire planet was specifically
intended for only their use, and other faith-based groups or cabals
Zionist/Jews seem to think this entire planet was specifically
have followed suit in order to survive in spite of what the upper
caste of Semites are doing to us and our world.
Political, corporate and especially their always handy cloak of faith-
based corruption has to be eliminated unless the same old do-overs of
bloody failures, greed and hoarding is what remains as our one and
only mainstream status-quo option of creating and/or sustaining
disparity. Whomever our republic elects to represent us as our
only mainstream status-quo option of creating and/or sustaining
president is still quite deluded to think that others above this level
of presidency are not pulling strings on their own behalf, and as long
as the whole truth and nothing but the truth of our history can't ever
be revised and told to the current and next K-12 generations, there's
going to be a perpetual continuation of the same old policies that got
us into this mess of energy plus other resource depletions and/or
artificial scarcity to begin with.
Off-world exploitations of our moon and of that extremely nearby
planet Venus would make a truly big difference, as a serious game
changer that should easily prevent WW3, as well as minimize any chance
of seeing another 9/11, and you are absolutely correct that "The
corporate international energy fascists will stop at NOTHING" /Forrest
Piper.
of presidency are not pulling strings on their own behalf, and as long
as the whole truth and nothing but the truth of our history can't ever
be revised and told to the current and next K-12 generations, there's
going to be a perpetual continuation of the same old policies that got
us into this mess of energy plus other resource depletions and/or
artificial scarcity to begin with.
Off-world exploitations of our moon and of that extremely nearby
planet Venus would make a truly big difference, as a serious game
changer that should easily prevent WW3, as well as minimize any chance
of seeing another 9/11, and you are absolutely correct that "The
corporate international energy fascists will stop at NOTHING" /Forrest
Piper.
On Jan 9, 2:55 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Jan 10, 2012, 2:33:32 PM1/10/12
to
On Jan 9, 2:55 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Jan 11, 2012, 12:14:07 AM1/11/12
to
The extremely nearby planet Venus is actually the ultimate metallicity
mother-lode, not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly
deficient nor offering inert matter as highly reflective and
monochromatic as typically depicted by most of those NASA/Apollo and
mother-lode, not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly
deficient nor offering inert matter as highly reflective and
Kodak film recoded images offering mostly monochromatic pastel grays
with no hint of paramagnetic or diamagnetic metallicity nor anything
the least bit UV reactive. Such off-world metallicity is simply
offering us the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly
profitable metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment
plus extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be
running out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe
options, not to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus
genetic trauma that’s causing genetic mutations by existing methods
that can be directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon
extractions, various processing activities and methods of forced
cultivation and product distributions for our use and consumption, in
order to sustain the mainstream status quo that is supposedly never
responsible for anything bad that ever happens.
profitable metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment
plus extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be
running out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe
options, not to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus
genetic trauma that’s causing genetic mutations by existing methods
that can be directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon
extractions, various processing activities and methods of forced
cultivation and product distributions for our use and consumption, in
order to sustain the mainstream status quo that is supposedly never
responsible for anything bad that ever happens.
Assuming our sun is good to go for billions of years, our planet Earth
isn’t going to implode on us, the moon isn’t ever going to fall back
on us, Sirius will miss us by light years and that our current or
isn’t going to implode on us, the moon isn’t ever going to fall back
future leaders are not going to cause WW3 or any other wars to happen,
or that our terrestrial metallicity cache of common and rare metals,
minerals, hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity
are never going to get depleted past the point of no return, the only
valid reason for going off-world is simply for the greater fun,
profits and affording less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment
that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that
our planet has to accommodate billions more of us humans on their way,
or that our terrestrial metallicity cache of common and rare metals,
minerals, hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity
are never going to get depleted past the point of no return, the only
valid reason for going off-world is simply for the greater fun,
profits and affording less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment
that seems to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that
plus coping with our escalating GW/AGW factor that’s compromising
virtually everything we know and supposedly cherish about our
overpopulated planet as is.
Therefore, regardless of the initial cost for going off-world
virtually everything we know and supposedly cherish about our
overpopulated planet as is.
shouldn’t be such a bad thing, especially when our trusty moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus are each so locally accessible, and even
our NASA/Apollo era proved how downright passive and oddly inert our
moon was to safely land upon and spend time without any fears of
excessive radiation, thermal shock or other physical risk. In other
words, compared to the use of modern-day stuff, the fairly primitive
applied technology for those Apollo fly-by-rocket landers plus safely
extremely nearby planet Venus are each so locally accessible, and even
our NASA/Apollo era proved how downright passive and oddly inert our
moon was to safely land upon and spend time without any fears of
excessive radiation, thermal shock or other physical risk. In other
words, compared to the use of modern-day stuff, the fairly primitive
public-funded whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Brad Guth
Jan 11, 2012, 12:39:02 PM1/11/12
to
Just because our early NASA/Apollo era was essentially color blind,
but certainly not unable to doctor those Kodak film recorded images by
way of dodging, burning and physically stacking in order to create new
transparency masters that fully simulate and even equal the best of
any modern PhotoShop expertise, doesn’t mean that our moon is actually
limited as to inert pastel grays that somehow managed to reflect their
visual spectrum so much better the closer they got to it.
Natural plus UV illumination along with merely enhanced color
saturation reveals the sorts of secondary/recoil fluorescents of those
mineral colors of our otherwise physically dark moon that many others
claim is perfectly monochromatic and inert.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42&start=45
Future game changing is going to be absolutely imperative if this
planet of lost souls starving for hydrocarbons and other mineral
resources of basic sustenance and other essential mineral or raw
element needs is ever going to stabilize and prosper, perhaps as
simpler needs and lacking the same level of tenacity towards creating
artificial scarcity via hoarding and greed can’t be so easily blamed
for any of this global disparity.
Political, corporate and especially their usual cloak of faith-based
corruption has to be eliminated or at least tamed unless the same old
do-overs of spendy and too often bloody failures, greed and hoarding
Unfortunately, whomever our republic elects to represent us as our
president are still quite deluded to think that others above this
seriously worth going after. No doubt asteroid YU55 is a C(4), so
perhaps it’s no wonder they (NASA/DARPA/JPL/ASU and all others
associated) obfuscated as much information as they could by having
don’t seem to want private enterprise getting wild ideas of exploiting
such items that could seriously pay off, big time.
carbonado/black-diamond is just getting a little easier than we’ve
voodoo, and wars often related to terrestrial metallicity and always
hydrocarbons derived from the very geological existence of such
ever fussing with anything off-world unless it comes to us in the form
of a nasty asteroid that plows directly into us.
Perhaps this is why the ruling oligarchs and Rothschilds of our planet
could honestly care less about funding or allowing any such public or
private investments on behalf of going after any off-world expeditions
or advancing applied technology towards those sorts of metallicity
goals, because we still have sufficient terrestrial resources plus
easily contrived shortages to exploit as is, and why spoil a good
thing.
In addition to the bedrock and innards of whatever our moon has to
offer, CME sputtering is essentially the solar wind enhancing the
surface metallicity, by further darkening plus further enrichment of
our moon. However, those ionized sodium and potassium elements as
having sublimed from within the moon, as solar heated and
electrostatic suspended within that extremely tenuous lunar atmosphere
is naturally what those CMEs and regular solar winds can most easily
excavate and abscond with, especially good at removing any hydrogen
and helium.
http://sirius.bu.edu/aeronomy/solarwind.pdf
The sodium metallicity cloud and its comet like tail of lunar derived
sodium doesn’t fully disperse below 5 Na/cm3 until having been blown
nearly 900,000 km, whereas above the atmospheric scale height of 120 ±
42 kilometers is still the tremendous volume and considerable mass of
Na that has to be sustained and/or replenished within all of this
surrounding plus its unavoidably trailing cloud, is hardly
representing an insignificant loss of this Na element. Of course
lunar helium loss is yet another given.
saturated ores do exist, as well as that terrific sodium atmosphere is
an egg, though on average radiating only 2 w/m2 (roughly a tenth of
what Venus is getting rid of), so there’s no shortages of Io
metallicity nor local geothermal energy for processing.
“The scientists have estimated that Io's magma ocean is some 50km (30
miles) thick, and bubbling away at a temperature above 1,200°C. Its
presence under a low-density crust of around 30 to 50km (20 to 30
miles) explains why the moon's volcanoes are dotted all over its
surface, rather than in "localised hotspots" as happens at the
boundaries of Earth's tectonic plates.”
However, if the NOW/ OWG is going to become simply a new and improved
benefit from most everything, then it's not going to become such a
good thing for off-world metallicity, much less fair and balanced for
environmental disregard.
I’m always into rethinking about what little social/political
corruption is left for grabs, is kind of the remainders of crumbs
corruption at the upper most social/political and faith-based levels
have already been taken, and consumed by those truly in charge of
whomever we elect or appoint, and otherwise some of the most
mainstream religion(s) can’t be trusted to police their own kind.
Thereby without some kind of revised future that’ll have to include
harsh and spendy reality.
Perhaps it's past due, that we the evil unstatus-quo villagers with
technology this planet of ours can at least technically accommodate
elements that’ll be required for sustaining terrestrial life as we
know it. Of course the already rich and powerful could honestly care
less, because they truly think they’ve got it made no matters what
local or global good or bad consequences take place.
So, it's kind of the new evil of us village idiots going up against
the old and well established collective oligarch and Rothschild
the intended losers, perhaps because we didn’t get to cheat, steal and
obfuscate our way to the top, plus getting public-funded bailouts to
boot.
but certainly not unable to doctor those Kodak film recorded images by
way of dodging, burning and physically stacking in order to create new
transparency masters that fully simulate and even equal the best of
any modern PhotoShop expertise, doesn’t mean that our moon is actually
limited as to inert pastel grays that somehow managed to reflect their
visual spectrum so much better the closer they got to it.
Natural plus UV illumination along with merely enhanced color
saturation reveals the sorts of secondary/recoil fluorescents of those
mineral colors of our otherwise physically dark moon that many others
claim is perfectly monochromatic and inert.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42&start=45
Future game changing is going to be absolutely imperative if this
planet of lost souls starving for hydrocarbons and other mineral
resources of basic sustenance and other essential mineral or raw
element needs is ever going to stabilize and prosper, perhaps as
intended by those having created and/or having allowed us to use this
planet. Of course Zionist/Jews seem to think this entire planet was
planet. Of course Zionist/Jews seem to think this entire planet was
specifically intended for only their use and benefit, not that a few
other religions haven’t developed that very same notion in order to
survive in spite of what the upper caste of Zionist/Jews have been
getting away with. Oddly, many other religions because of their much
simpler needs and lacking the same level of tenacity towards creating
artificial scarcity via hoarding and greed can’t be so easily blamed
for any of this global disparity.
Political, corporate and especially their usual cloak of faith-based
corruption has to be eliminated or at least tamed unless the same old
do-overs of spendy and too often bloody failures, greed and hoarding
is what remains as our one and only mainstream status-quo option of
creating and/or sustaining global and even local disparity.
Unfortunately, whomever our republic elects to represent us as our
president are still quite deluded to think that others above this
level of presidency are not pulling strings on their own behalf, and
as long as the whole truth and nothing but the truth of our history
can't ever be revised and told to the current and next K-12
generations, there's going to be a perpetual continuation of the same
old status-quo policies that got us into this mess of energy plus
as long as the whole truth and nothing but the truth of our history
can't ever be revised and told to the current and next K-12
generations, there's going to be a perpetual continuation of the same
other resource depletions and/or artificial scarcity to begin with.
Off-world exploitations of our moon and of that extremely nearby
planet Venus would make a truly big difference, as a serious game
changer that should easily prevent WW3, as well as minimize any chance
of seeing another 9/11, and unfortunately you are absolutely correct
Off-world exploitations of our moon and of that extremely nearby
planet Venus would make a truly big difference, as a serious game
changer that should easily prevent WW3, as well as minimize any chance
that "The corporate international energy fascists will stop at
NOTHING"/Forrest Piper.
NOTHING"/Forrest Piper.
With many of our terrestrial elements, it seems we are already
approaching “Peak Ore”, and for some rare-earths it has already gotten
approaching “Peak Ore”, and for some rare-earths it has already gotten
us a little past Peak-Ore because, the inflated cost of obtaining such
natural elements has gotten more complex and spendy than having to
artificially create some of them, or simply further complicated by
having to doing without and/or by having to substitute with other
natural elements has gotten more complex and spendy than having to
artificially create some of them, or simply further complicated by
composite alloys. Iridium happens to be one of those rare-earth
elements, whereas carboneous chrondite meteors and asteroids known as
C(4), whereas this type most likely includes portions of our naked
elements, whereas carboneous chrondite meteors and asteroids known as
moon because it’s acting as such a terrific anticathode for giving off
gamma and hard X-rays, can be rather highly saturated enough to be
seriously worth going after. No doubt asteroid YU55 is a C(4), so
perhaps it’s no wonder they (NASA/DARPA/JPL/ASU and all others
associated) obfuscated as much information as they could by having
never bothered to get us any gamma spectrometry for estimating its
density and the subsequent mass of asteroid 2005-YU55, because they
don’t seem to want private enterprise getting wild ideas of exploiting
such items that could seriously pay off, big time.
been told, especially when some of these little to large captured
asteroids become temporary moons as orbiting more than sufficiently
nearby.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/21/earth-has-other-moons-astronomer-says/
asteroids become temporary moons as orbiting more than sufficiently
nearby.
Unfortunately, it seems our NASA has been systemically colorblind,
therefore whatever deep colors/hues of surface metallicity are not
being made available for our investigative review, such as Vesta by
way of Hubble color and then by way of Dawn is a perfectly good
example of how our NASA can’t seem to cure its own nearsighted
colorblind affliction or dysfunction of such limited dynamic range.
Here’s a typical composite of Hubble and Dawn:
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/slide1_image.jpg
So there’s simply no telling if we’re looking at sodium, gold,
platinum, thorium, carbonado or any lump of coal, and apparently our
gamma spectrometry science of mapping the metallicity of Vesta simply
isn’t working. Apparently, the closer we get to something of an
asteroid or moon, the brighter its albedo and the less color/hue
saturations exist, as well as anything UV reactive simply doesn’t
exist (at least that’s what our Apollo moon turned out to be), even
though modern cameras have considerably better dynamic range of
contrast and colors (including IR to UV) than any Kodak color film
could possibly offer.
Perhaps going after such off-world metallicity is actually a very good
thing, not that digging up and/or excavating our way through another
fraction of a percent of our Eden, plus extensive recycling shouldn’t
get us by (in between all the usual environmental compromises, mostly
negative consequences, international and racial/ethnicity conflicts
that usually involve some degree of faith-based policy or satanic
therefore whatever deep colors/hues of surface metallicity are not
being made available for our investigative review, such as Vesta by
way of Hubble color and then by way of Dawn is a perfectly good
example of how our NASA can’t seem to cure its own nearsighted
colorblind affliction or dysfunction of such limited dynamic range.
Here’s a typical composite of Hubble and Dawn:
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/slide1_image.jpg
So there’s simply no telling if we’re looking at sodium, gold,
platinum, thorium, carbonado or any lump of coal, and apparently our
gamma spectrometry science of mapping the metallicity of Vesta simply
isn’t working. Apparently, the closer we get to something of an
asteroid or moon, the brighter its albedo and the less color/hue
saturations exist, as well as anything UV reactive simply doesn’t
exist (at least that’s what our Apollo moon turned out to be), even
though modern cameras have considerably better dynamic range of
contrast and colors (including IR to UV) than any Kodak color film
could possibly offer.
Perhaps going after such off-world metallicity is actually a very good
thing, not that digging up and/or excavating our way through another
fraction of a percent of our Eden, plus extensive recycling shouldn’t
get us by (in between all the usual environmental compromises, mostly
negative consequences, international and racial/ethnicity conflicts
voodoo, and wars often related to terrestrial metallicity and always
hydrocarbons derived from the very geological existence of such
elements that are getting harder to come by). Thus far we’ve
processed through and/or having excavated and sucked dry roughly .
000001% of our planet as is, and that ten billionths of our planet is
only worth 60 trillion tonnes. However, adding in what we’ve
intentionally and accidentally cleared and/or having cultivated and
helped erode to death is perhaps worth an all-inclusive 6 quadrillion
tonnes (.0001% or 6000 trillion tonnes) thus far (not including the
glacial ice we’re melting), so perhaps we’ve still got a really long
ways to go before ever reaching that dreaded point of no return, of
our having to meticulously sift through 0.1% of Earth in order to
squeeze out those last drops or cubic meters of hydrocarbons plus
extracting all of those valuable metallicity elements, that which
processed through and/or having excavated and sucked dry roughly .
000001% of our planet as is, and that ten billionths of our planet is
only worth 60 trillion tonnes. However, adding in what we’ve
intentionally and accidentally cleared and/or having cultivated and
helped erode to death is perhaps worth an all-inclusive 6 quadrillion
tonnes (.0001% or 6000 trillion tonnes) thus far (not including the
glacial ice we’re melting), so perhaps we’ve still got a really long
ways to go before ever reaching that dreaded point of no return, of
our having to meticulously sift through 0.1% of Earth in order to
squeeze out those last drops or cubic meters of hydrocarbons plus
might not even be possible without our going below our relatively thin
crust, is another good thousand years of considerable disparity and
wars upon wars away. So we’re perfectly good to go as is, without our
crust, is another good thousand years of considerable disparity and
ever fussing with anything off-world unless it comes to us in the form
of a nasty asteroid that plows directly into us.
Perhaps this is why the ruling oligarchs and Rothschilds of our planet
could honestly care less about funding or allowing any such public or
private investments on behalf of going after any off-world expeditions
or advancing applied technology towards those sorts of metallicity
goals, because we still have sufficient terrestrial resources plus
easily contrived shortages to exploit as is, and why spoil a good
thing.
In addition to the bedrock and innards of whatever our moon has to
offer, CME sputtering is essentially the solar wind enhancing the
surface metallicity, by further darkening plus further enrichment of
our moon. However, those ionized sodium and potassium elements as
having sublimed from within the moon, as solar heated and
electrostatic suspended within that extremely tenuous lunar atmosphere
is naturally what those CMEs and regular solar winds can most easily
excavate and abscond with, especially good at removing any hydrogen
and helium.
http://sirius.bu.edu/aeronomy/solarwind.pdf
The sodium metallicity cloud and its comet like tail of lunar derived
sodium doesn’t fully disperse below 5 Na/cm3 until having been blown
nearly 900,000 km, whereas above the atmospheric scale height of 120 ±
42 kilometers is still the tremendous volume and considerable mass of
Na that has to be sustained and/or replenished within all of this
surrounding plus its unavoidably trailing cloud, is hardly
lunar helium loss is yet another given.
another dead give away that our moon has been giving off loads of that
metallicity element for quite some time.
Perhaps the next time we actually walk upon that physically dark and
metallicity saturated moon of ours (of no technological sweat
metallicity element for quite some time.
Perhaps the next time we actually walk upon that physically dark and
according to our NASA and DARPA Apollo wizards as of 4+ decades ago),
that's unavoidably paramagnetic basalt and highly anticathode worthy,
we should establish some actual interactive science instruments
that'll provide real-time objective science data on demand. There's
always a first time for everything, so why not accomplish our moon and
set up camp, at least using TBMs for going deep inside where it's
going to be perfectly safe and consistently cozy?
We could deploy a lunar qualified version of R2D2 as our LR2D2
telerobotic android geologist scout, having a few mechanical
prospecting tools and science including gamma spectrometry and of
course multiple 100X zoom optical and 16.8e6 pixel imagers that’ll
cover 350 to 1050 nm plus having at least 8 narrow spectrum bandpass
filters or spectrum enhanced saturation channels plus a purely visual
that's unavoidably paramagnetic basalt and highly anticathode worthy,
we should establish some actual interactive science instruments
that'll provide real-time objective science data on demand. There's
always a first time for everything, so why not accomplish our moon and
set up camp, at least using TBMs for going deep inside where it's
going to be perfectly safe and consistently cozy?
We could deploy a lunar qualified version of R2D2 as our LR2D2
telerobotic android geologist scout, having a few mechanical
prospecting tools and science including gamma spectrometry and of
course multiple 100X zoom optical and 16.8e6 pixel imagers that’ll
cover 350 to 1050 nm plus having at least 8 narrow spectrum bandpass
bandpass limited spectrum filter to work with. Obviously this LR2D2
could be fairly substantial in its volume and mass, powered by a load
of HTP plus solar PVs that’s now capable of 100% efficiency, and
could be fairly substantial in its volume and mass, powered by a load
otherwise a small plutonium powered generator, because according to
our Apollo era having stipulated that its dusty surface isn’t very
deep and traction is never a problem with such terrific clumping and
surface tension to work with, and those Apollo controlled soft
landings haven’t been an insurmountable fly-by-rocket problem for
roughly five decades.
The moon Io is yet another perfectly good example of a dynamically
surface tension to work with, and those Apollo controlled soft
landings haven’t been an insurmountable fly-by-rocket problem for
roughly five decades.
active resource of terrific metallicity that oddly isn’t the least bit
monochromatic nor metallicity deficient according to those Galileo
spacecraft images. Even though its orbit only varies by 3,400 km (a
fraction of what our moon varies 42,840 km) it seems to get tidal
modulated enough so that in a whole lot of places it can more than fry
fraction of what our moon varies 42,840 km) it seems to get tidal
an egg, though on average radiating only 2 w/m2 (roughly a tenth of
what Venus is getting rid of), so there’s no shortages of Io
metallicity nor local geothermal energy for processing.
“The scientists have estimated that Io's magma ocean is some 50km (30
miles) thick, and bubbling away at a temperature above 1,200°C. Its
presence under a low-density crust of around 30 to 50km (20 to 30
miles) explains why the moon's volcanoes are dotted all over its
surface, rather than in "localised hotspots" as happens at the
boundaries of Earth's tectonic plates.”
force of evil upon evil, whereas only the bully oligarchs and
Rothschilds as mutually competitive robber barons get to decide and
benefit from most everything, then it's not going to become such a
good thing for off-world metallicity, much less fair and balanced for
the other 99.9999% of us that’ll always get to work hard in order to
keep paying for everything. Perhaps that’s the most important message
in those Georgia Guide Stones, telling us that a maximum of 500
million get to remain and dominate this planet because that’s all this
nearly spent planet can possibly accommodate as a fully unified world
population without involving social, political and faith-based
insurmountable issues or environmental consequences from excessive
human population and their always not-my-fault as to whatever
keep paying for everything. Perhaps that’s the most important message
in those Georgia Guide Stones, telling us that a maximum of 500
million get to remain and dominate this planet because that’s all this
nearly spent planet can possibly accommodate as a fully unified world
population without involving social, political and faith-based
insurmountable issues or environmental consequences from excessive
environmental disregard.
I’m always into rethinking about what little social/political
corruption is left for grabs, is kind of the remainders of crumbs
within our mostly public funded cookie jar, because all of those
really good cookies of unpunishable crimes of greed, hoarding and
corruption at the upper most social/political and faith-based levels
have already been taken, and consumed by those truly in charge of
whomever we elect or appoint, and otherwise some of the most
mainstream religion(s) can’t be trusted to police their own kind.
Thereby without some kind of revised future that’ll have to include
off-world resources or else a substantial reduction in global
population, that’s kind of like our terrestrial God being forever
lost, up that fast moving creek without a prayer, and the longer we
wait the greater risk of losing what little we have left becomes a
population, that’s kind of like our terrestrial God being forever
lost, up that fast moving creek without a prayer, and the longer we
harsh and spendy reality.
Perhaps it's past due, that we the evil unstatus-quo villagers with
each of our fist full of burning sticks should take charge, and if
need be storm and burn down those castles of those evil robber barons
oppressing and misguiding us, because to William Mook and many others
telling the rest of us, that with applied physics and existing
technology this planet of ours can at least technically accommodate
billions more without our having to go off-world in seeking greater
riches and/or in further pursuit of even the basics of metallicity
elements that’ll be required for sustaining terrestrial life as we
know it. Of course the already rich and powerful could honestly care
less, because they truly think they’ve got it made no matters what
local or global good or bad consequences take place.
So, it's kind of the new evil of us village idiots going up against
evil(s), and may the best bad-guys win. Of course it’s only the most
evil victors that ever get to interpret and publish their version of
history, so that whatever mistakes or do-overs at public expense can
be forgotten (aka obfuscated or banished from the records) and/or
evil victors that ever get to interpret and publish their version of
history, so that whatever mistakes or do-overs at public expense can
continually blamed on those other evil bad guys that were the losers.
Clearly, it seems that only us few good guys of Usenet/newsgroups are
the intended losers, perhaps because we didn’t get to cheat, steal and
obfuscate our way to the top, plus getting public-funded bailouts to
boot.
Brad Guth
Jan 16, 2012, 7:40:02 AM1/16/12
to
On Jan 10, 9:14 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides clear/white
diamonds or even gold (not that either of those should be in any short
supply).
If we can’t manage to supply our own hydrocarbons at the lowest price
on Earth (similar to how Venezuela manages their hydrocarbons), much
less having any surplus for export, and instead we have to keep the
social/political pressure on those which do seem to have more than
their fair share by way of our maintaining artificial scarcity and/or
via insider trading plus hording, bullying and covert false-flag and/
or special ops that can manage to get away with pretty much anything
(including assassinations and war), then we’re in a whole lot bigger
and nastier immoral pot of trouble than we’re being allowed to know
about.
60 Minutes interview of Qatar “Rising From the Sand”, has certainly
developed their rather large surplus of oil and natural gas, of which
they also refine their own oil plus process and liquefy their NG
mostly for export. Of course natural gas isn’t just CH4, and oil
isn’t just one kind of fluid petrochemical hydrocarbon, so there’s any
number of other valuable fluids and gasses which they also get to
market to the highest bidders. Qatar has more than proven how the
world can be way better off with a surplus of energy, and especially
when so many others are either hydrocarbon deficient or simply too
greedy and careless with their mass consumption that’s very addictive
plus otherwise artificially made essential to sustaining their way and
quality of life.
According to others, including William Mook and myself, there have
always been perfectly viable alternatives and/or substitutes that in
many applications are every bit as good or better than natural
hydrocarbons, as well as way better for the global environment
(including better quality and less spendy synfuel from coal). This
doesn’t mean that any 100% shift away from conventional hydrocarbons
is necessary, but it does mean that we need to get ourselves a whole
lot smarter about such hydrocarbons and other energy usage, because
having to lose thousands of folks per year (not even including
military losses) and artificially manipulating global markets and/or
going to war on false pretexts isn’t exactly a viable long-term
alternative.
Going off-world has certain spendy and human risk factors, but it also
offers multiple alternatives for obtaining valuable metallicity and
unlimited energy for the extracting, processing and exporting such
elements back to Earth, at a fraction of the negative environmental
impact that our all-inclusive terrestrial alternatives would involve.
This means we need to look long and hard at our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon, as well as to further consider what the extremely
nearby planet Venus has to offer.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Jan 16, 2012, 2:04:17 PM1/16/12
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The extremely nearby planet Venus is actually offering us the ultimate
terrain of pastel grays with no hint of anything the least bit
best available science, it’s apparent that such off-world metallicity
(except Oort clouds badly interacting), and that our current or future
leaders are not going to artificially cause WW3 or any other wars to
point of no return, whereas the only valid reason for going off-world
of excessive radiation, thermal shock or much other physical risk. In
plus safely accommodating humans and exposure sensitive Kodak film was
apparently more than good enough, even though that naked moon offered
collectively non-issues, plus oddly the surface of our moon wasn’t
island that was easily sculpted and landscaped to look kind of smooth
and monochromatic moon like).
Unlike the colorblind NASA/Apollo era, whereas any physically dark
item such as coal reflects as a near white/off-white or monochromatic
mineral colors/hues of the various metallicity elements that can be
easily recorded when given sufficient color saturation. This improved
dynamic range method is actually not introducing false colors or much
hues of their natural reflective visual spectrum, as offering whatever
below the human visual spectrum (not to mention the newest portable
well enough metallicity saturated and mapped as is. Of course our
metallicity colorblind DARPA, NASA, JPL and ASU hasn’t been any too
keen on telling us what sorts of valuable elements are there for us to
metallicity mother-lode, not that our metallicity saturated moon is
exactly deficient nor offering inert matter as highly reflective and
monochromatic as typically depicted by most of those NASA/Apollo and
Kodak film recoded images that depicted a mostly monochromatic soft
exactly deficient nor offering inert matter as highly reflective and
monochromatic as typically depicted by most of those NASA/Apollo and
terrain of pastel grays with no hint of anything the least bit
paramagnetic or diamagnetic metallicity nor anything the least bit UV
reactive or anti-cathode. However, by way of others interpreting the
best available science, it’s apparent that such off-world metallicity
is simply offering us the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a
highly profitable metallicity prosperity era providing darn good
employment plus extremely valuable resources that our planet as is
seems to be running out of affordable and much less environmentally
failsafe options, not to mention the past and ongoing environmental
plus genetic trauma that’s causing genetic mutations by existing
methods that can be directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon
extractions, various processing activities and methods of forced
cultivation and product distributions for our use and consumption, in
order to sustain the mainstream status quo that is supposedly never
responsible for anything bad that ever happens.
Assuming our sun is perfectly good to go for billions of years, our
highly profitable metallicity prosperity era providing darn good
employment plus extremely valuable resources that our planet as is
seems to be running out of affordable and much less environmentally
failsafe options, not to mention the past and ongoing environmental
plus genetic trauma that’s causing genetic mutations by existing
methods that can be directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon
extractions, various processing activities and methods of forced
cultivation and product distributions for our use and consumption, in
order to sustain the mainstream status quo that is supposedly never
responsible for anything bad that ever happens.
planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, the moon isn’t ever going
to fall back on us, Sirius will manage to miss us by light years
(except Oort clouds badly interacting), and that our current or future
leaders are not going to artificially cause WW3 or any other wars to
happen, or that our terrestrial metallicity cache of common and rare
metals, minerals, hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global
biodiversity are never going to get depleted or too toxic past the
metals, minerals, hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global
point of no return, whereas the only valid reason for going off-world
is simply for the greater fun, profits and affording less terrestrial
trauma to our frail environment that seems to be in great need of
salvaging as is, not to mention that our planet has to accommodate
billions more of us humans on their way, plus coping with our
trauma to our frail environment that seems to be in great need of
salvaging as is, not to mention that our planet has to accommodate
escalating GW/AGW factor that’s compromising virtually everything we
know and supposedly cherish about our overpopulated planet as is.
Therefore, regardless of the initial cost for going off-world
know and supposedly cherish about our overpopulated planet as is.
shouldn’t be such a bad thing, especially when our trusty moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus are each so locally accessible, and even
our NASA/Apollo era proved how downright passive and oddly inert our
moon was to safely land upon and spend lots of time without any fears
extremely nearby planet Venus are each so locally accessible, and even
our NASA/Apollo era proved how downright passive and oddly inert our
of excessive radiation, thermal shock or much other physical risk. In
other words, compared to the use of modern-day stuff, the fairly
primitive applied technology for those Apollo fly-by-rocket landers
plus safely accommodating humans and exposure sensitive Kodak film was
apparently more than good enough, even though that naked moon offered
no magnetosphere as defending against those fast arriving protons,
neutrons, electrons as well as X-rays and gamma were each and
collectively non-issues, plus oddly the surface of our moon wasn’t
even the least bit physically dark nor anticathode worthy (almost as
though they’d unknowingly landed upon an isolated guano/phosphate
island that was easily sculpted and landscaped to look kind of smooth
and monochromatic moon like).
Unlike the colorblind NASA/Apollo era, whereas any physically dark
item such as coal reflects as a near white/off-white or monochromatic
spectrum of pastel grays, even though amateurs photographing our
physically dark moon via narrow bandpass optical filters manage to
obtain whatever those otherwise natural but faint or subdued surface
physically dark moon via narrow bandpass optical filters manage to
mineral colors/hues of the various metallicity elements that can be
easily recorded when given sufficient color saturation. This improved
dynamic range method is actually not introducing false colors or much
less using artificially assigned colors, because all of those mineral
colors are exactly true as to their visual and UV secondary/recoil
hues of their natural reflective visual spectrum, as offering whatever
UV illuminated elements should represent.
Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
spectrum bandwidth ensitivity with terrific sensitivity above and
Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
below the human visual spectrum (not to mention the newest portable
gamma spectrometry offering near 10 db better resolution), is where
prospecting for valuable minerals or metallicity elements is going to
be relatively easy, not that vast surface areas are not going to be
prospecting for valuable minerals or metallicity elements is going to
well enough metallicity saturated and mapped as is. Of course our
metallicity colorblind DARPA, NASA, JPL and ASU hasn’t been any too
keen on telling us what sorts of valuable elements are there for us to
take, just like their not mentioning what the planet Venus has to
offer, seems to be another taboo/nondisclosure policy of need-to-know
or simply applied obfuscation in order to avoid sharing the public-
offer, seems to be another taboo/nondisclosure policy of need-to-know
funded whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
Brad Guth
Jan 16, 2012, 4:16:16 PM1/16/12
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According to our resident parrot “Sam Wormley”, the making of planets
has little if anything to do with any creation process of a main
sequence star, because supposedly planets just manage to create and
evolve themselves with no special metallicity contributed assistance
from their nearby and rapidly spinning progenitor star that just so
happed to form at roughly the same place and time, and having evolved
from that very same molecular/nebula cloud that already contained
these following elements:
: Hydrogen 73.46%
: Helium 24.85%
: Oxygen 0.77%
: Carbon 0.29%
: Iron 0.16%
: Neon 0.12%
: Nitrogen 0.09%
: Silicon 0.07%
: Magnesium 0.05%
: Sulfur 0.04%
So, we must have within our galaxy at the very least 1e13 wandering/
rogue planets in addition to those randomly captured by the raw
happenstance encounter of any given nearby star. Since there’s way
more red dwarfs than stars like our sun, this might tend to suggest
that brown dwarfs are going to be even much greater populating our
galaxy, and so forth greater yet would be the vast numbers of planets,
planetoids, moons and asteroids that supposedly had little if anything
to do with the creations of any past, current of future stars
(according to Sam Wormley).
Perhaps the terrific metallicity of that molecular/nebula cloud (worth
upwards of 2.5e37 kg) which created those nearby and extremely vibrant
Sirius stars, also managed to produce at least a thousand planets,
planetoids, moons and significantly lethal gauntlet of 1e18 kg and
larger asteroids per star (plus a good million worth of smaller
items), because most likely there was no shortage of molecular/nebula
metallicity mass to begin with.
Perhaps our spendy and badly delayed JWST is going to have a very
tough time of looking in any direction without finding loads of those
rogue cool planets, planetoids, moon and asteroids as just icy covered
items wandering every which way.
Perhaps when that very same Sirius molecular/nebula cloud surrounded
our sun is when the planet Venus came to be, and no doubt some of that
passing metallicity interacted with our naked moon, or conceivably
having contributed that moon from the vast surplus of items which
originated along with those nearby Sirius stars.
has little if anything to do with any creation process of a main
sequence star, because supposedly planets just manage to create and
evolve themselves with no special metallicity contributed assistance
from their nearby and rapidly spinning progenitor star that just so
happed to form at roughly the same place and time, and having evolved
from that very same molecular/nebula cloud that already contained
these following elements:
: Hydrogen 73.46%
: Helium 24.85%
: Oxygen 0.77%
: Carbon 0.29%
: Iron 0.16%
: Neon 0.12%
: Nitrogen 0.09%
: Silicon 0.07%
: Magnesium 0.05%
: Sulfur 0.04%
So, we must have within our galaxy at the very least 1e13 wandering/
rogue planets in addition to those randomly captured by the raw
happenstance encounter of any given nearby star. Since there’s way
more red dwarfs than stars like our sun, this might tend to suggest
that brown dwarfs are going to be even much greater populating our
galaxy, and so forth greater yet would be the vast numbers of planets,
planetoids, moons and asteroids that supposedly had little if anything
to do with the creations of any past, current of future stars
(according to Sam Wormley).
Perhaps the terrific metallicity of that molecular/nebula cloud (worth
upwards of 2.5e37 kg) which created those nearby and extremely vibrant
Sirius stars, also managed to produce at least a thousand planets,
planetoids, moons and significantly lethal gauntlet of 1e18 kg and
larger asteroids per star (plus a good million worth of smaller
items), because most likely there was no shortage of molecular/nebula
metallicity mass to begin with.
Perhaps our spendy and badly delayed JWST is going to have a very
tough time of looking in any direction without finding loads of those
rogue cool planets, planetoids, moon and asteroids as just icy covered
items wandering every which way.
Perhaps when that very same Sirius molecular/nebula cloud surrounded
our sun is when the planet Venus came to be, and no doubt some of that
passing metallicity interacted with our naked moon, or conceivably
having contributed that moon from the vast surplus of items which
originated along with those nearby Sirius stars.
Brad Guth
Jan 22, 2012, 9:48:37 AM1/22/12
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Off-world metallicity isn’t just about going after bling, because
there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides clear/white
diamonds or even gold (not that either of those should be in any short
supply). No doubt our naked moon and its mascons offer the likes of
there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides clear/white
diamonds or even gold (not that either of those should be in any short
Co-60 in addition to thorium, uranium and a few other heavy elements,
such as gold and platinum.
The fracking of deep bedrock shale in order to release natural gas is
a clinical form of hydrocarbon desperation on steroids, though
technically doable as long as the energy derived is at least 10% above
the all-inclusive required energy input, and there’s no complaints
about earthquakes or ground water getting saturated toxins, nor
mention anything about the additional release of helium.
However, if we can’t manage to supply our own hydrocarbons at the
lowest price on Earth (similar to how Venezuela manages to locally
distribute their hydrocarbons), much less having any surplus for
export, and instead we have to keep the social/political pressure on
those which do seem to have more than their fair share by way of our
maintaining artificial scarcity and/or via insider trading plus
hording, bullying and covert false-flag and/or special ops that can
those which do seem to have more than their fair share by way of our
maintaining artificial scarcity and/or via insider trading plus
manage to get away with pretty much anything (including assassinations
and war), then we’re in a whole lot bigger and nastier immoral pot of
trouble than we’re being allowed to know about.
60 Minutes interview of Qatar “Rising From the Sand”, has certainly
developed their rather large surplus of oil and natural gas, of which
they also refine their own oil plus process and liquefy their NG
mostly for export. Of course natural gas isn’t just CH4, and oil
isn’t just one kind of fluid petrochemical hydrocarbon, so there’s any
number of other valuable fluids and gasses which they also get to
market to the highest bidders. Qatar has more than proven how the
world can be way better off with a surplus of energy, and especially
when so many others are either hydrocarbon deficient or simply too
greedy and careless with their mass consumption that’s very addictive
plus otherwise artificially made essential to sustaining their way and
quality of life.
According to others, including William Mook and myself, there have
always been perfectly viable energy alternatives and/or substitutes
and war), then we’re in a whole lot bigger and nastier immoral pot of
trouble than we’re being allowed to know about.
60 Minutes interview of Qatar “Rising From the Sand”, has certainly
developed their rather large surplus of oil and natural gas, of which
they also refine their own oil plus process and liquefy their NG
mostly for export. Of course natural gas isn’t just CH4, and oil
isn’t just one kind of fluid petrochemical hydrocarbon, so there’s any
number of other valuable fluids and gasses which they also get to
market to the highest bidders. Qatar has more than proven how the
world can be way better off with a surplus of energy, and especially
when so many others are either hydrocarbon deficient or simply too
greedy and careless with their mass consumption that’s very addictive
plus otherwise artificially made essential to sustaining their way and
quality of life.
According to others, including William Mook and myself, there have
that in many applications are every bit as good or better than natural
hydrocarbons, as well as way better for the global environment
(including better quality and less spendy synfuel from coal via
hydrocarbons, as well as way better for the global environment
Mokenergy). This certainly doesn’t mean that any 100% shift away from
conventional hydrocarbons is necessary, but it does mean that we need
to get ourselves a whole lot smarter about such hydrocarbons and other
energy usage, because having to lose thousands of folks per year (not
even including military losses) and artificially manipulating global
markets and/or going to war on false pretexts isn’t exactly a viable
long-term alternative.
Going off-world has certain spendy and human risk factors, but it also
offers multiple alternatives for obtaining valuable metallicity and
unlimited energy for the extracting, processing and exporting such
elements back to Earth, at a fraction of the negative environmental
impact that our all-inclusive terrestrial alternatives would involve.
This means we need to look long and hard at the treasure trove of our
to get ourselves a whole lot smarter about such hydrocarbons and other
energy usage, because having to lose thousands of folks per year (not
even including military losses) and artificially manipulating global
markets and/or going to war on false pretexts isn’t exactly a viable
long-term alternative.
Going off-world has certain spendy and human risk factors, but it also
offers multiple alternatives for obtaining valuable metallicity and
unlimited energy for the extracting, processing and exporting such
elements back to Earth, at a fraction of the negative environmental
impact that our all-inclusive terrestrial alternatives would involve.
physically dark and paramagnetic moon, as well as to further consider
whatever that extremely nearby planet Venus has to offer.
Brad Guth
Jan 22, 2012, 10:06:51 AM1/22/12
to
Off-world metallicity isn’t just about going after bling, because
there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides clear/white
diamonds or even black diamonds and gold (not that either of those
there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides clear/white
should be in any short supply). No doubt our naked moon and its
mascons offer the likes of Co-60 in addition to thorium, uranium and a
few other heavy elements, such as common titanium, gold and platinum.
mascons offer the likes of Co-60 in addition to thorium, uranium and a
Terrestrial hydrocarbons are getting in short supply, because the
fracking of deep bedrock shale in order to release natural gas is a
clinical form of hydrocarbon desperation on steroids, though
technically doable as long as the energy derived is at least 10% above
the all-inclusive required energy input (though Canada keeps making
clinical form of hydrocarbon desperation on steroids, though
technically doable as long as the energy derived is at least 10% above
big bucks off of us when it produces oil at a net energy loss, so
apparently it doesn’t even need to be a breakeven), and bet if there’s
no complaints about earthquakes or ground water getting saturated
toxins, nor mention anything about the additional release of helium.
However, if we can’t manage to supply our own hydrocarbons at the
lowest price on Earth (similar to how Venezuela has managed to locally
toxins, nor mention anything about the additional release of helium.
However, if we can’t manage to supply our own hydrocarbons at the
distribute their hydrocarbons at less than 10% of what we get to pay),
much less having any surplus for export, and instead we have to keep
the social/political pressure on those which do seem to have more than
their fair share by way of our maintaining artificial scarcity and/or
via insider trading plus hording, bullying and covert false-flag and/
or special ops that can manage to get away with pretty much anything
(including assassinations and war), then we’re in a whole lot bigger
and nastier immoral pot of trouble than we’re being allowed to know
about.
That recent 60 Minutes interview of Qatar “Rising From the Sand”, has
the social/political pressure on those which do seem to have more than
their fair share by way of our maintaining artificial scarcity and/or
via insider trading plus hording, bullying and covert false-flag and/
or special ops that can manage to get away with pretty much anything
(including assassinations and war), then we’re in a whole lot bigger
and nastier immoral pot of trouble than we’re being allowed to know
about.
certainly developed their rather large surplus of oil and natural gas,
of which they also refine their own oil plus process and liquefy their
NG mostly for export. Of course natural gas isn’t just CH4, and oil
isn’t just one kind of fluid petrochemical hydrocarbon, so there’s any
number of other valuable fluids and gasses which they also get to
market to the highest bidders. Qatar has more than proven how the
world can be way better off with a surplus of energy, and especially
when so many others are either hydrocarbon deficient or simply too
greedy and careless with their mass consumption, that’s very addictive
of which they also refine their own oil plus process and liquefy their
NG mostly for export. Of course natural gas isn’t just CH4, and oil
isn’t just one kind of fluid petrochemical hydrocarbon, so there’s any
number of other valuable fluids and gasses which they also get to
market to the highest bidders. Qatar has more than proven how the
world can be way better off with a surplus of energy, and especially
when so many others are either hydrocarbon deficient or simply too
plus otherwise artificially made essential to sustaining their modern
way and quality of life.
According to others, including William Mook and myself, there have
always been perfectly viable energy alternatives and/or substitutes
that in many applications are every bit as good or better than natural
hydrocarbons, as well as way better for the global environment
(including better quality and less spendy synfuel from coal via
Mokenergy). This certainly doesn’t mean that any 100% shift away from
conventional hydrocarbons is necessary, but it does mean that we need
to get ourselves a whole lot smarter about such hydrocarbons and other
energy usage, because having to lose thousands of folks per year (not
even including military losses) and artificially manipulating global
markets and/or going to war on false pretexts isn’t exactly a viable
long-term alternative.
Going off-world has certain spendy and obvious human risk factors, but
According to others, including William Mook and myself, there have
always been perfectly viable energy alternatives and/or substitutes
that in many applications are every bit as good or better than natural
hydrocarbons, as well as way better for the global environment
(including better quality and less spendy synfuel from coal via
Mokenergy). This certainly doesn’t mean that any 100% shift away from
conventional hydrocarbons is necessary, but it does mean that we need
to get ourselves a whole lot smarter about such hydrocarbons and other
energy usage, because having to lose thousands of folks per year (not
even including military losses) and artificially manipulating global
markets and/or going to war on false pretexts isn’t exactly a viable
long-term alternative.
it also offers multiple alternatives for obtaining valuable
metallicity and unlimited energy for the extracting, processing and
exporting such elements back to Earth, at a fraction of the negative
environmental impact that our all-inclusive terrestrial alternatives
would involve, not to mention resolving multiple international and
metallicity and unlimited energy for the extracting, processing and
exporting such elements back to Earth, at a fraction of the negative
environmental impact that our all-inclusive terrestrial alternatives
social/political issues by avoiding needless global inflation and
wars.
This means we need to look long and hard at the existing treasure
trove of our physically dark and paramagnetic moon, as well as to
further consider whatever that extremely nearby planet Venus has to
offer.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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On Jan 6, 10:04 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
further consider whatever that extremely nearby planet Venus has to
offer.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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> The extremely nearby planet Venus is actually the metallicity mother-
> load, not that our metallicity saturated moon is exactly deficient nor
> offering inert matter. Off-World metallicity is simply offering us
> the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as creating a highly profitable
> metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment plus
> extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be running
> out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe options, not
> to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus genetic trauma
> that’s causing genetic mutations by existing methods that can be
> directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon extractions, various
> processing activities and methods of forced cultivation and product
> distributions for our use and consumption, in order to sustain the
> mainstream status quo that is supposedly never responsible for
> anything bad that ever happens.
>
> extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be running
> out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe options, not
> to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus genetic trauma
> that’s causing genetic mutations by existing methods that can be
> directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon extractions, various
> processing activities and methods of forced cultivation and product
> distributions for our use and consumption, in order to sustain the
> mainstream status quo that is supposedly never responsible for
> anything bad that ever happens.
>
> Assuming our planet Earth isn’t going to implode on us, the moon isn’t
> going to fall on us and that our current or future leaders are not
> going to cause WW3 or any other wars to happen, or that our
> terrestrial metallicity cache of common and rare metals, minerals,
> hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity are never
> going to get depleted past the point of no return, the only valid
> hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity are never
> reason for going off-world is simply for the greater fun, profits and
> affording less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment that seems
> to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that our planet
> has to accommodate billions more of us humans on their way plus coping
> affording less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment that seems
> to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that our planet
> with our escalating GW/AGW factor that’s compromising virtually
> everything we know and supposedly cherish about our overpopulated
> planet as is.
>
> Therefore, going off-world shouldn’t be such a bad thing, especially
> everything we know and supposedly cherish about our overpopulated
> planet as is.
>
> when our trusty moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus are each so
> locally accessible, and even our NASA/Apollo era proved how downright
> passive and oddly inert our moon was to safely land upon and spend
> time without any fears of excessive radiation, thermal shock or other
> locally accessible, and even our NASA/Apollo era proved how downright
> passive and oddly inert our moon was to safely land upon and spend
> physical risk. In other words, compared to the use of modern-day
> stuff, the fairly primitive applied technology for those Apollo fly-by-
> rocket landers plus safely accommodating humans and Kodak film was
> stuff, the fairly primitive applied technology for those Apollo fly-by-
> more than good enough, even though that naked moon offered no
> magnetosphere as defending against those fast arriving protons,
> neutrons, electrons as well as X-rays and gamma were each non-issues,
> magnetosphere as defending against those fast arriving protons,
> plus oddly the surface of our moon wasn’t even the least bit
> physically dark nor anticathode worthy (almost as though they’d
> unknowingly landed upon an isolated guano island that was easily
> physically dark nor anticathode worthy (almost as though they’d
> sculpted and landscaped to look kind of moon like).
>
> Unlike the colorblind NASA/Apollo era, whereas any physical dark item
> such as coal reflects as a white/off-white near monochromatic spectrum
> of pastel grays, even though amateurs photographing our physically
> dark moon via narrow bandpass optical filters manage to obtain
> dark moon via narrow bandpass optical filters manage to obtain
> whatever those otherwise natural but faint or subdued colors/hues of
> the various metallicity elements that can be easily recorded with
> sufficient color saturation. This method is actually not introducing
> the various metallicity elements that can be easily recorded with
> false colors or much less using artificially assigned colors, because
> all of those mineral colors are exactly true as to their visual and
> all of those mineral colors are exactly true as to their visual and
> secondary/recoil hues of their natural reflective visual spectrum,
> plus offering whatever UV illuminated elements should represent.
>
> Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
> east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
> spectrum sensitivity well terrific sensitivity above and below the
> Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
> east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
> human visual spectrum (not to mention portable gamma spectrometry
> offering near 10 db better resolution), is where prospecting for
> valuable minerals or metallicity elements is going to be relatively
> easy, not that vast surface areas are not well enough metallicity
> valuable minerals or metallicity elements is going to be relatively
> saturated as is. Of course our metallicity colorblind DARPA and NASA
> hasn’t been any too keen on telling us what valuable elements are
> there to take, just like their not mentioning what the planet Venus
> has to offer, seems to be another taboo/nondisclosure policy of need-
> to-know or simply another obfuscation in order to avoid sharing the
> public-funded whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Brad Guth
Jan 22, 2012, 1:37:39 PM1/22/12
to
offering us the ultimate metallicity mother-lode, not that our
metallicity saturated moon is exactly deficient nor offering inert
matter that’s highly reflective and monochromatic as typically
depicted by most of those NASA/Apollo and Kodak film recoded images,
that depicted a mostly monochromatic soft eroded terrain of pastel
grays with no hint of anything the least bit paramagnetic or of
diamagnetic metallicity nor anything the least bit UV reactive or anti-
cathode worthy, such as cobalt, titanium and many other heavy
elements. However, by way of others interpreting the best available
science, it’s perfectly apparent that such off-world metallicity is
there and simply offering us the next great future gold-rush x 1000,
as a highly profitable metallicity prosperity era providing darn good
employment plus extremely valuable resources that our planet as is
seems to be running out of affordable and much less environmentally
failsafe options, not to mention the past and ongoing environmental
plus genetic trauma that’s causing DNA mutations by existing methods
seems to be running out of affordable and much less environmentally
failsafe options, not to mention the past and ongoing environmental
that can be directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon
extractions, various processing activities and certain methods of
forced cultivation and product distributions for our use and
consumption, in order to sustain the mainstream status quo that is
supposedly never the least bit responsible for anything bad that ever
consumption, in order to sustain the mainstream status quo that is
happens.
Assuming our sun is perfectly good to go for billions of years
going to implode on us, the moon isn’t ever going to fall back on us,
Sirius will manage to miss us by light years (except dueling Oort
clouds should badly interact), and that our current or future leaders
are not going to artificially cause WW3 or any other wars to happen,
or that our terrestrial metallicity cache of common and rare metals,
minerals, hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity
are never going to get depleted or become too toxic past the point of
minerals, hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity
no return, whereas the only valid reason for going off-world is simply
for the greater fun, profits and affording less terrestrial trauma to
our frail environment that seems to be in great need of salvaging as
is, not to mention that our planet has to accommodate billions more of
us humans on their way, plus coping with our escalating GW/AGW factor
our frail environment that seems to be in great need of salvaging as
is, not to mention that our planet has to accommodate billions more of
that’s compromising virtually everything we know and supposedly
cherish about our overpopulated planet as is.
Therefore, regardless of the initial cost for going off-world
cherish about our overpopulated planet as is.
shouldn’t be such a bad thing, especially when our trusty moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus are each so locally accessible, and even
our NASA/Apollo era having proven how downright passive and oddly
extremely nearby planet Venus are each so locally accessible, and even
inert our moon was to safely land upon and spend lots of time out and
about without any fears of excessive radiation, thermal shock or much
other physical risk. In other words, compared to the use of modern-
day terrestrial stuff, the fairly primitive applied technology for
those Apollo fly-by-rocket landers plus safely accommodating humans
and their exposure sensitive Kodak film was apparently more than good
enough proof, even though that naked moon offered no magnetosphere as
defending against those fast arriving protons, neutrons, electrons as
well as X-rays and cosmic gamma were each and collectively non-issues,
plus oddly the surface of our moon wasn’t even the least bit
physically dark nor otherwise anticathode worthy (almost as though
they’d unknowingly landed upon an isolated guano/phosphate island that
was easily sculpted and landscaped to look kind of smooth and
monochromatic moon like).
Unlike the colorblind and dynamic range kind of photographic
dysfunctional NASA/Apollo era, whereas any physically dark item such
as coal reflects as a near white/off-white or monochromatic spectrum
of pastel grays when viewed from Earth, even though amateurs
photographing our physically dark moon via narrow bandpass optical
filters manage to obtain whatever those otherwise naturally faint or
subdued surface mineral colors/hues of the various metallicity
elements that can be easily recorded as scientific eyecandy when given
sufficient color saturation. This improved dynamic range method is
actually not introducing false or much less using artificially
assigned colors, because all of those mineral colors or hues are
exactly true as to their visual and UV secondary/recoil of their
natural reflective visual spectrum, as offering whatever UV
illuminated elements should represent.
Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
spectrum bandwidth sensitivity with terrific range above and below the
Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
human visual spectrum (not to mention what the newest portable gamma
spectrometry offering near 10 db better resolution), is where
prospecting for valuable minerals or metallicity elements from orbit
is going to be relatively easy, not that vast surface areas are not
going to be well enough metallicity saturated and having been nicely
mapped as is. Of course our metallicity colorblind DARPA, NASA, JPL
and ASU hasn’t been exactly any too keen on telling us what sorts of
valuable elements are there for us to take, just like their not
mentioning what the planet Venus has to offer, seems to be another
taboo/nondisclosure policy of need-to-know or simply applied
obfuscation in order to avoid sharing the public-funded whole truth
and nothing but the truth.
and nothing but the truth.
Brad Guth
Jan 22, 2012, 4:02:11 PM1/22/12
to
Just because our early NASA/Apollo era was essentially a cold-war ruse
continuation and whatever science was secondary if not worse, as well
as their being colorblind, but certainly not unable to doctor those
moon, that many others claim is perfectly monochromatic and inert
(lacking any paramagnetic or diamagnetic metallicity).
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42&start=45
Some kind of future game changing is going to be absolutely imperative
forgiven as well as whenever possible continually blamed on those
within our grasp.
continuation and whatever science was secondary if not worse, as well
as their being colorblind, but certainly not unable to doctor those
Kodak film recorded images by way of dodging, burning and physically
stacking in order to create new transparency masters that fully
simulate and even equal the best of any modern PhotoShop expertise,
doesn’t mean that our moon is actually limited as to inert pastel
grays that somehow managed to reflect their visual spectrum so much
better the closer they got to it.
Raw natural sunlight plus its UV illumination along with merely
stacking in order to create new transparency masters that fully
simulate and even equal the best of any modern PhotoShop expertise,
doesn’t mean that our moon is actually limited as to inert pastel
grays that somehow managed to reflect their visual spectrum so much
better the closer they got to it.
enhanced color saturation reveals the sorts of secondary/recoil
fluorescents off those mineral colors of our otherwise physically dark
moon, that many others claim is perfectly monochromatic and inert
(lacking any paramagnetic or diamagnetic metallicity).
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42&start=45
Some kind of future game changing is going to be absolutely imperative
if this planet of lost souls starving for hydrocarbons and other
mineral resources of basic sustenance and other essential minerals or
other evil bad guys that were the losers. Clearly, it seems that only
us few good guys of Usenet/newsgroups are the intended losers, perhaps
because we didn’t get to cheat, steal and obfuscate our way to the
top, plus getting those public-funded bailouts to boot wasn’t ever
us few good guys of Usenet/newsgroups are the intended losers, perhaps
because we didn’t get to cheat, steal and obfuscate our way to the
within our grasp.
Brad Guth
Jan 23, 2012, 2:28:46 PM1/23/12
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Orbiting gamma spectrometry can resolve enough details as to the
surface metallicity of a given planet, moon or asteroid, as well as
penetrating somewhat below its surface. At least that has become
mainstream science status quo as of more than a decade ago.
Unfortunately, that public-funded science isn't being made available
except on a "need to know" and nondisclosure basis. So, it’s kind of
hard to tell what other planets and moons truly have to offer, without
our having to interpret the best available science that is released.
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
terrestrial, is easier said than done, even from orbiting Earth isn’t
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
within the Goldilocks zone of many (perhaps most) other viable stars.
Adding in atmospheric pressure and temperature is certainly not a deal-
breaker when it comes down to another planet or moon hosting complex
forms of life. In fact atmospheric pressure and temperature should be
considered as something positive or at least constructively worth
having, as opposed to the Vacuum of Mars or worse being that of our
physically dark moon.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor
politically independent. These folks typically claim being peers of
Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that there’s noting
new or improved that can get past their naysay gauntlet.
Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who they
really are, so basically these Usenet/newsgroup overlords as topic/
author stalking pimps could be most anyone with ulterior motives or
simply doing their damage-control jobs of public media FUD-master and
otherwise brown-nosed clowns.
Roughly 0.00002% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last
300 million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
slight portion of our evolution represents the sort of focused
microwaves and laser beams ETs could possibly detect even if their
best technology had been specifically focused upon our solar system
with its one measly naked Goldilocks certified planet. So it’s kind
of hard to automatically exclude all other planets and moons as being
unlikely host of intelligence, especially when other solar systems
could be not only older than ours but having a more desirable sun.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
intelligence not only surviving their own environments, but certainly
essential for whatever off-world explorations and the exploiting of
other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby planet Venus,
there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any mineral or
metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes of easily
accessible water held extensively within those acidic clouds, plus
always more water from within that geodynamically active planet that’s
continually being vented.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
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surface metallicity of a given planet, moon or asteroid, as well as
penetrating somewhat below its surface. At least that has become
mainstream science status quo as of more than a decade ago.
Unfortunately, that public-funded science isn't being made available
except on a "need to know" and nondisclosure basis. So, it’s kind of
hard to tell what other planets and moons truly have to offer, without
our having to interpret the best available science that is released.
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
terrestrial, is easier said than done, even from orbiting Earth isn’t
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
within the Goldilocks zone of many (perhaps most) other viable stars.
Adding in atmospheric pressure and temperature is certainly not a deal-
breaker when it comes down to another planet or moon hosting complex
forms of life. In fact atmospheric pressure and temperature should be
considered as something positive or at least constructively worth
having, as opposed to the Vacuum of Mars or worse being that of our
physically dark moon.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor
politically independent. These folks typically claim being peers of
Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that there’s noting
new or improved that can get past their naysay gauntlet.
Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who they
really are, so basically these Usenet/newsgroup overlords as topic/
author stalking pimps could be most anyone with ulterior motives or
simply doing their damage-control jobs of public media FUD-master and
otherwise brown-nosed clowns.
Roughly 0.00002% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last
300 million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
slight portion of our evolution represents the sort of focused
microwaves and laser beams ETs could possibly detect even if their
best technology had been specifically focused upon our solar system
with its one measly naked Goldilocks certified planet. So it’s kind
of hard to automatically exclude all other planets and moons as being
unlikely host of intelligence, especially when other solar systems
could be not only older than ours but having a more desirable sun.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
intelligence not only surviving their own environments, but certainly
essential for whatever off-world explorations and the exploiting of
other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby planet Venus,
there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any mineral or
metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes of easily
accessible water held extensively within those acidic clouds, plus
always more water from within that geodynamically active planet that’s
continually being vented.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
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Brad Guth
Jan 23, 2012, 3:07:47 PM1/23/12
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same original cosmic stuff that produced our galaxy. Obviously there
are secondary, third and other most recent stellar, planet, moon and
asteroid generation age differences, as well as wandering nebulas and
individual saturation differences plus always the random happenstance
wild-card of whatever novas and supernovas managed to stimulate some
of these assorted solar systems and wandering/rogue items of
sufficient water and metallicity, plus more than a few physical
encounters that seldom ended with anything better off than before.
Orbiting gamma spectrometry can resolve enough details as to the
surface metallicity of a given planet, moon or asteroid, as well as
become mainstream science status quo as of more than a decade ago.
Unfortunately, that sort of public-funded science isn't being made
available except on a "need to know" and nondisclosure basis. So,
it’s kind of hard to tell what other planets and moons truly have to
offer, without our having to interpret the best available science that
is selectively released.
it’s kind of hard to tell what other planets and moons truly have to
offer, without our having to interpret the best available science that
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
terrestrial, is easier said than done, even from orbiting Earth isn’t
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
within the Goldilocks zone of many (perhaps most) other viable stars.
Adding in atmospheric pressure and temperature is certainly not a deal-
breaker when it comes down to another planet or moon hosting complex
forms of life. In fact atmospheric pressure and temperature should be
considered as something positive or at least constructively worth
physically dark moon.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor
politically independent. These folks typically claim being peers of
Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that there’s noting
new or improved that can get past their naysay gauntlet.
Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who they
really are, so basically these Usenet/newsgroup overlords as topic/
author stalking pimps could be most anyone with ulterior motives or
simply doing their damage-control jobs of public media FUD-master and
otherwise brown-nosed clowns.
Roughly 0.00002% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last
300 million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
extremely slight portion of our evolution represents the sort of
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
that are clearly telling us what they represent isn’t Atheist nor
politically independent. These folks typically claim being peers of
Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that there’s noting
new or improved that can get past their naysay gauntlet.
Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who they
really are, so basically these Usenet/newsgroup overlords as topic/
author stalking pimps could be most anyone with ulterior motives or
simply doing their damage-control jobs of public media FUD-master and
otherwise brown-nosed clowns.
Roughly 0.00002% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last
300 million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
focused microwaves and laser beams ETs could possibly detect even if
their best technology had been specifically focused upon our solar
system with its one measly naked Goldilocks certified planet. So it’s
kind of hard for myself to automatically exclude all other planets and
their best technology had been specifically focused upon our solar
system with its one measly naked Goldilocks certified planet. So it’s
moons as being unlikely host of intelligence, especially when other
solar systems could be not only older than ours but having a more
desirable sun.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
intelligence not only surviving their own environments, but certainly
essential for whatever off-world explorations and the exploiting of
other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby planet Venus,
there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any mineral or
metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes of easily
accessible water held extensively within those acidic clouds, plus
always more water from within that geodynamically active planet that’s
continually being vented.
solar systems could be not only older than ours but having a more
desirable sun.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
intelligence not only surviving their own environments, but certainly
essential for whatever off-world explorations and the exploiting of
other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby planet Venus,
there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any mineral or
metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes of easily
accessible water held extensively within those acidic clouds, plus
always more water from within that geodynamically active planet that’s
continually being vented.
Brad Guth
Jan 24, 2012, 12:17:37 AM1/24/12
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All planets, moons and asteroids are essentially made of and
subsequently derived from the exact same original cosmic stuff that
produced our galaxy. Obviously there have been secondary, third and
saturation differences, plus always the random happenstance wild-card
subsequently derived from the exact same original cosmic stuff that
produced our galaxy. Obviously there have been secondary, third and
other most recent stellar, planet, moon and asteroid generation age
differences, as well as wandering nebulae and individual metallicity
saturation differences, plus always the random happenstance wild-card
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
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http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
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Brad Guth
Jan 24, 2012, 1:45:16 PM1/24/12
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There's no doubt whatsoever that the surface of Venus is one seriously
hot rock that seems to act as though it’s less than 300 million years
old. Considering that Venus has no moon to tidal modulate anything.
the geothermal heated surface is where the vast bulk of its
atmospheric heat comes from, and it is so much so geothermally and
geologically active that it’s creating that rather substantial
atmosphere with acidic clouds plus layers of haze worthy of at least
500 teratonnes of water, that at least is technically rather easily
accessible.
Unfortunately, our always warm and fuzzy mainstream status-quo (that’s
mostly public funded and otherwise Semitic) is pretty much all about
topic/author stalking others and protecting and/or hyping their own
mainstream faith-based version of “magical hocus-pocus” via
conditional physics and science obfuscation, especially justified and
defended to their death against any outsiders that might dare suggest
other interpretations, and the only valid reason(s) why they even
bother to topic/author stalk the likes of myself is because I happen
to represent a real bona-fide threat.
This universe, our galaxy and even our insignificant speck of a solar
system are extremely complex, and yet with only a limited degree of
survival intelligence and applied physics is what makes a good deal of
it accessible to us, or to anyone else as having accomplished space
travel. Of course the mainstream status-quo isn’t buying into
anything that wasn’t entirely of their idea and authority to begin
with.
Obviously there are certain extremes that are off-limits, but clearly
our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus are not on any NO FLY
list.
hot rock that seems to act as though it’s less than 300 million years
old. Considering that Venus has no moon to tidal modulate anything.
the geothermal heated surface is where the vast bulk of its
atmospheric heat comes from, and it is so much so geothermally and
geologically active that it’s creating that rather substantial
atmosphere with acidic clouds plus layers of haze worthy of at least
500 teratonnes of water, that at least is technically rather easily
accessible.
Unfortunately, our always warm and fuzzy mainstream status-quo (that’s
mostly public funded and otherwise Semitic) is pretty much all about
topic/author stalking others and protecting and/or hyping their own
mainstream faith-based version of “magical hocus-pocus” via
conditional physics and science obfuscation, especially justified and
defended to their death against any outsiders that might dare suggest
other interpretations, and the only valid reason(s) why they even
bother to topic/author stalk the likes of myself is because I happen
to represent a real bona-fide threat.
This universe, our galaxy and even our insignificant speck of a solar
system are extremely complex, and yet with only a limited degree of
survival intelligence and applied physics is what makes a good deal of
it accessible to us, or to anyone else as having accomplished space
travel. Of course the mainstream status-quo isn’t buying into
anything that wasn’t entirely of their idea and authority to begin
with.
Obviously there are certain extremes that are off-limits, but clearly
our moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus are not on any NO FLY
list.
Brad Guth
Jan 26, 2012, 6:41:07 AM1/26/12
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All planets, moons and asteroids are essentially made of and
subsequently derived from the exact same original cosmic stuff that
produced our galaxy (namely molecular/nebula clouds). Obviously there
subsequently derived from the exact same original cosmic stuff that
have been secondary, third and other most recent stellar, planet, moon
and asteroid generation age differences, as well as compounded by
wandering nebulae and individual metallicity saturation differences,
plus always the random happenstance wild-card of whatever novas and
supernovas managed to stimulate some of these assorted solar systems
and wandering/rogue items of sufficient water and metallicity, plus
more than a few physical encounters that seldom ended with anything
better off or less metallicity worthy than before.
plus always the random happenstance wild-card of whatever novas and
supernovas managed to stimulate some of these assorted solar systems
and wandering/rogue items of sufficient water and metallicity, plus
more than a few physical encounters that seldom ended with anything
Orbiting gamma spectrometry can resolve with enough resolution of
details as to the surface metallicity of a given planet, moon or
asteroid, as well as capable of penetrating somewhat below its
surface. At least that has become mainstream science status quo as of
more than a few decades ago. Unfortunately, that sort of public-
asteroid, as well as capable of penetrating somewhat below its
surface. At least that has become mainstream science status quo as of
funded science isn't being made available except on a "need to know"
and nondisclosure basis, so it’s kind of hard to tell what other
planets and moons truly have to offer, without our having to interpret
the best available science that is only selectively released or as
having been scientifically encrypted in order to mask whatever they
elect not to be telling us.
Remote intercepting and/or interpreting intelligent life other than
always a sure thing unless the form of life detected is either very
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
infrastructure or leave unmistakable trails and other signs of their
large or gathered in sufficient communities that developed substantial
having modified something. Unfortunately, with digital imaging it’s
entirely possible to add or subtract as much data as you like, so
there no real telling unless the raw original image data is made
available prior to any modification attempts.
It’s perfectly clear that other wet planets do exist, and they exist
viable stars. Obviously not all stars are going to be or forever
remain as planet worthy. Adding in atmospheric pressure and
temperature is certainly not a deal-breaker when it comes down to
another planet or moon hosting complex forms of life. In fact,
atmospheric pressure and temperature should be considered as something
positive or at least constructively worth having, as opposed to the
vacuum of Mars or worse being that of our physically dark moon that’s
positive or at least constructively worth having, as opposed to the
offering that near ideal vacuum.
Of course the mainstream status quo is dominated by the most faith-
based kind of closed mindset that typically claim being Atheist and
even politically independent. The only problem is with their actions
least bit politically independent. These folks typically claim being
peers of Einstein, thereby knowing all there is to know, so that
there’s noting new or improved that can ever get past their naysay
gauntlet. Unfortunately, these same folks can’t seem honest as to who
they really are or who they represent, so basically these Usenet/
newsgroup overlord peers as topic/author stalking pimps could be most
anyone with ulterior motives or simply doing their damage-control jobs
of public media FUD-master and otherwise performing as brown-nosed
clowns.
Roughly .00003% of our human intelligence evolution as of the last 300
million years involves modern radio, and perhaps only half of that
extremely slight portion of our evolution represents the past 45 years
of focused microwaves and laser beams that exoplanet ETs could
possibly detect even if their best technology had been specifically
focused upon our solar system with its one measly naked Goldilocks
certified planet. So it’s kind of hard for myself to automatically
exclude all other planets and moons as being unlikely host of
intelligence, especially when other solar systems could be not only
older than ours but having a more desirable sun, not to mention having
focused upon our solar system with its one measly naked Goldilocks
certified planet. So it’s kind of hard for myself to automatically
exclude all other planets and moons as being unlikely host of
intelligence, especially when other solar systems could be not only
just one less needless war would have put them many trillions of
dollars better off and easily decades more advanced if everything else
was the same.
Basically, having survival intelligence of any complex other life need
not involve astronomy, microwaves nor much less space travel
expertise. So, we need to consider other alternatives unless we’re
only intent upon spotting their advanced WMD before they spot us.
Knowing that available energy is always key to any advanced forms of
certainly essential for whatever off-world explorations and the
exploiting of other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby
planet Venus, there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any
mineral or metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes
of easily accessible water held extensively within those acidic
clouds, plus always more water from within that geodynamically active
planet that’s continually venting in order to replenish its otherwise
exploiting of other worlds. Fortunately for the extremely nearby
planet Venus, there’s no shortage of local energy, and unlikely any
mineral or metallicity deficiency, not to mention the 500+ teratonnes
of easily accessible water held extensively within those acidic
clouds, plus always more water from within that geodynamically active
unprotected atmosphere.
Brad Guth
Jan 29, 2012, 2:15:36 PM1/29/12
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Our trusty old moon is perhaps a little more complex and exoplanet
worthy than we’re giving it credit, as well as the planet Venus just
doesn’t seem to fit very well either.
It’s certainly not that a very large number of other planets,
planetoids, moons and asteroids haven’t existed before our solar
system was even a twinkle in the eye of god, nor is it even remotely
the case of the billions of others not having been created and/or
released to wander about since our sun and its planets took shape as
our solar system.
The extremely nearby planet Venus (passing a little over 100 LD every
19 months) is perhaps offering us the ultimate metallicity mother-
lode, not that our metallicity saturated moon and its inverse density
interior that’s safely sequestered below its extremely thick and tough
crust is exactly mineral deficient, nor is that moon offering any
surface of merely inert matter that’s so highly reflective and
nor offering anything the least bit UV reactive or much less anti-
cathode worthy, such as platinum, cobalt, nickel, iron, titanium and
many other heavy elements that according to old and recent gamma
spectrometry includes elements of thorium and uranium, which means
there also has to be radium. However, by way of a few others besides
myself interpreting the best available science, it’s perfectly
apparent that such off-world metallicity is there and simply offering
us the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly profitable
dueling Oort clouds should badly interact), and that our current or
future leaders are not going to artificially allow or cause WW3 or any
other social/political nasty events to happen, nor that our
terrestrial cache of valuable metallicity of common and rare metals,
no return, whereas the only valid reason for going off-world is simply
for the greater job security as well as fun, profits and affording
increasing disparity along with our escalating GW/AGW factor that’s
they’d unknowingly landed upon an isolated guano/phosphate island that
was easily sculpted and landscaped to look kind of smooth and
monochromatic moon like).
Unlike the colorblind and rather oddly extreme dynamic range kind of
as a monochromatic spectrum of pastel grays when viewed from Earth,
dynamic range method is actually not introducing false or much less
using artificially assigned colors or faking mineral hues, because all
of those mineral colors or secondary UV fluorescent hues are actually
depicted as true to their visual and UV secondary/recoil of the
natural reflective visual spectrum, as offering a method for
interpreting whatever UV plus natural illuminated elements of physical
darkness should represent.
Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
bandwidth sensitivity with terrific range above and below the human
visual spectrum (not to mention what the newest satellite gamma
spectrometry that capable of offering or tracking near 8 db better
resolution than our Apollo era), is where detailed prospecting for
metallicity quantified as is. Of course our metallicity dysfunctional
and colorblind DARPA, NASA, JPL and ASU hasn’t been exactly any too
keen on telling us what sorts of valuable elements are there for us to
worthy than we’re giving it credit, as well as the planet Venus just
doesn’t seem to fit very well either.
It’s certainly not that a very large number of other planets,
planetoids, moons and asteroids haven’t existed before our solar
system was even a twinkle in the eye of god, nor is it even remotely
the case of the billions of others not having been created and/or
released to wander about since our sun and its planets took shape as
our solar system.
The extremely nearby planet Venus (passing a little over 100 LD every
19 months) is perhaps offering us the ultimate metallicity mother-
lode, not that our metallicity saturated moon and its inverse density
interior that’s safely sequestered below its extremely thick and tough
crust is exactly mineral deficient, nor is that moon offering any
surface of merely inert matter that’s so highly reflective and
monochromatic as typically depicted by most of those NASA/Apollo and
Kodak film recoded images, suggesting a mostly monochromatic soft
eroded terrain of pastel grays with no hint of anything the least bit
physically dark, paramagnetic or even diamagnetic metallicity worthy,
nor offering anything the least bit UV reactive or much less anti-
cathode worthy, such as platinum, cobalt, nickel, iron, titanium and
many other heavy elements that according to old and recent gamma
spectrometry includes elements of thorium and uranium, which means
there also has to be radium. However, by way of a few others besides
myself interpreting the best available science, it’s perfectly
apparent that such off-world metallicity is there and simply offering
us the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly profitable
metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment plus
extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be running
out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe options, not
to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus genetic trauma
that’s causing DNA mutations by existing methods that can be directly
extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be running
out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe options, not
to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus genetic trauma
linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon extractions, various processing
activities and certain methods of forced cultivation and product
distributions for our use and consumption, in order to sustain the
mainstream status quo that is supposedly never the least bit
responsible for anything bad that ever happens.
Assuming our sun is perfectly good to go for billions of years (as
well as assuming global warming is purely imaginary), our planet Earth
isn’t going to implode on us, the moon isn’t ever going to fall back
on us, Sirius will manage to miss us by light years (except our
dueling Oort clouds should badly interact), and that our current or
future leaders are not going to artificially allow or cause WW3 or any
other social/political nasty events to happen, nor that our
terrestrial cache of valuable metallicity of common and rare metals,
minerals, hydrocarbons, fresh water and our vast global biodiversity
are never going to get depleted or become too toxic past the point of
no return, whereas the only valid reason for going off-world is simply
for the greater job security as well as fun, profits and affording
less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment that seems to be in
great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that our planet has to
accommodate billions more of us humans on their way, plus coping with
great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that our planet has to
increasing disparity along with our escalating GW/AGW factor that’s
compromising virtually everything we know and supposedly cherish about
our overpopulated planet as is.
Therefore, regardless of the initial cost for going off-world
our overpopulated planet as is.
shouldn’t be such a bad thing, especially when our trusty moon and the
extremely nearby planet Venus are each so locally accessible, and even
extremely nearby planet Venus are each so locally accessible, and even
our NASA/Apollo era having proven how downright passive and oddly
inert our moon was to safely land upon and spend lots of time out and
about without any fears of excessive radiation, thermal shock or much
inert our moon was to safely land upon and spend lots of time out and
other physical risk. In other words, compared to the use of modern-
day terrestrial stuff, the fairly primitive applied technology for
those Apollo fly-by-rocket landers plus safely accommodating humans
and their exposure sensitive Kodak film was apparently more than good
enough proof, even though that naked moon offered no magnetosphere as
those Apollo fly-by-rocket landers plus safely accommodating humans
and their exposure sensitive Kodak film was apparently more than good
defending against those fast arriving protons, neutrons, electrons as
well as X-rays and cosmic gamma were each and collectively non-issues,
plus oddly the surface of our moon wasn’t even the least bit
physically dark nor otherwise anticathode worthy (almost as though
they’d unknowingly landed upon an isolated guano/phosphate island that
was easily sculpted and landscaped to look kind of smooth and
monochromatic moon like).
Unlike the colorblind and rather oddly extreme dynamic range kind of
photographic dysfunctional NASA/Apollo era, whereas any physically
dark item such as coal reflects as a near white/off-white or looking
as a monochromatic spectrum of pastel grays when viewed from Earth,
even though amateurs photographing our physically dark moon via narrow
bandpass optical filters manage to obtain whatever those otherwise
bandpass optical filters manage to obtain whatever those otherwise
naturally faint or subdued surface mineral colors/hues of the various
metallicity elements that can be easily recorded as scientific
eyecandy when given sufficient color saturation. This improved color
metallicity elements that can be easily recorded as scientific
dynamic range method is actually not introducing false or much less
using artificially assigned colors or faking mineral hues, because all
of those mineral colors or secondary UV fluorescent hues are actually
depicted as true to their visual and UV secondary/recoil of the
natural reflective visual spectrum, as offering a method for
interpreting whatever UV plus natural illuminated elements of physical
darkness should represent.
Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
visual spectrum (not to mention what the newest satellite gamma
spectrometry that capable of offering or tracking near 8 db better
resolution than our Apollo era), is where detailed prospecting for
valuable minerals or metallicity elements from orbit is going to be
relatively easy, not that vast surface areas are not going to be well
enough metallicity saturated and having been nicely mapped and
relatively easy, not that vast surface areas are not going to be well
metallicity quantified as is. Of course our metallicity dysfunctional
and colorblind DARPA, NASA, JPL and ASU hasn’t been exactly any too
keen on telling us what sorts of valuable elements are there for us to
take, just like their not mentioning what the planet Venus has to
offer, seems to be another taboo/nondisclosure policy of need-to-know
or simply applied obfuscation in order to avoid sharing the public-
offer, seems to be another taboo/nondisclosure policy of need-to-know
funded whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Brad Guth
Feb 2, 2012, 2:19:05 AM2/2/12
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inert, highly reflective and has only a percent or two of its crater
ejected material, and it's perfectly harmless to stand on its naked
surface. Go figure.
Brad Guth
Feb 4, 2012, 12:19:21 AM2/4/12
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On Jan 16, 10:57 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
wrote:
> Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> writes:
> > The Origin and Nature of Lunar Mascons
> > http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1970/RS005i002p00313.shtml
> > "...The mascons arose in four steps:
> > (1) excavation of a large crater by meteoritic impact at a time
> > close to the moon's origin,
> > (2) subsequent isostatic adjustment of its rim and true floor,
> > (3) rigidification of the crater and extensive depositon of
> > sediments in its interior while an atmosphere and hydrosphere
> > existed, and
> > (4) eventual dessication of the sediments in the floor when the
> > atmosphere and hydrosphere vanished.
>
> Is there any evidence the moon had either liquid water or an atmosphere
> of any sort, ever?
Yes, it’s entirely possible that our moon was once covered in a very
thick layer of ice, and there’s at least some evidence interpreted
that we can find some of that old ice in deep polar craters that have
never seen the light of day.
It seems to me, as an arriving icy planetoid Selene, of perhaps worth
as great as 7.5e22 kg, that it once had a hell of a lot of frozen
water and at least some degree of an atmosphere (especially as it
migrated closer to the sun and giving off serious water vapors just
prior to impacting Earth, whereas at least prior to its glancing
lithobraking encounter with Earth there may have been a rather
considerable atmosphere protecting that moon), and encountering an icy
Earth could have easily made that 2500 km polar crater that’s kind of
similar to our Arctic ocean basin.
>
> I figured the mascons were probably either the cores of iron/nickel
> asteroids or perhaps leftover chunks of the core of the planet that
> impacted earth.
That's entirely possible. Too bad we still, after all these fly-by-
rocket decades, have nothing truly objective to go by.
What we'll need besides another good gamma spectrometry map of our
moon, are some detailed 3D seismic imaging of its interior below that
terribly thick and paramagnetic basalt crust that seems fully fused
and perhaps nearly as tough as carbonado.
As of a decade ago, those JAXA LUNAR-A missions were going to
accomplish exactly that sort of better science, except those missions
got terminated before ever getting out the R&D doors. Plus there had
been another newer and more advanced UK/European version of 3D seismic
imaging via surface perpetrators that also got ignored, as though our
DARPA and NASA had something of great value to hide from us.
http://www.eri.u-tokyo.ac.jp/takeuchi/publications/09PSS.pdf
http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/library/3-04aLunar-A-Kato.pdf
http://www.glyncollinson.co.uk/space/space-moonlite.html
http://www.glyncollinson.co.uk/space/collinson_et_al_jbis_%2061_2008.pdf
With better science comes an understanding of what makes our moon
tick, so to speak. This 3D imaging of its interior is essential if
those future TBMs are going to head in the best possible directions.
What’s under the thin crust of Venus is of course rather nasty molten
hot and perhaps even fluid enough to make near any sort of TBM
applications unlikely, so we need not bother.
wrote:
> Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> writes:
> > The Origin and Nature of Lunar Mascons
> > http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1970/RS005i002p00313.shtml
> > "...The mascons arose in four steps:
> > (1) excavation of a large crater by meteoritic impact at a time
> > close to the moon's origin,
> > (2) subsequent isostatic adjustment of its rim and true floor,
> > (3) rigidification of the crater and extensive depositon of
> > sediments in its interior while an atmosphere and hydrosphere
> > existed, and
> > (4) eventual dessication of the sediments in the floor when the
> > atmosphere and hydrosphere vanished.
>
> Is there any evidence the moon had either liquid water or an atmosphere
> of any sort, ever?
Yes, it’s entirely possible that our moon was once covered in a very
thick layer of ice, and there’s at least some evidence interpreted
that we can find some of that old ice in deep polar craters that have
never seen the light of day.
It seems to me, as an arriving icy planetoid Selene, of perhaps worth
as great as 7.5e22 kg, that it once had a hell of a lot of frozen
water and at least some degree of an atmosphere (especially as it
migrated closer to the sun and giving off serious water vapors just
prior to impacting Earth, whereas at least prior to its glancing
lithobraking encounter with Earth there may have been a rather
considerable atmosphere protecting that moon), and encountering an icy
Earth could have easily made that 2500 km polar crater that’s kind of
similar to our Arctic ocean basin.
>
> I figured the mascons were probably either the cores of iron/nickel
> asteroids or perhaps leftover chunks of the core of the planet that
> impacted earth.
That's entirely possible. Too bad we still, after all these fly-by-
rocket decades, have nothing truly objective to go by.
What we'll need besides another good gamma spectrometry map of our
moon, are some detailed 3D seismic imaging of its interior below that
terribly thick and paramagnetic basalt crust that seems fully fused
and perhaps nearly as tough as carbonado.
As of a decade ago, those JAXA LUNAR-A missions were going to
accomplish exactly that sort of better science, except those missions
got terminated before ever getting out the R&D doors. Plus there had
been another newer and more advanced UK/European version of 3D seismic
imaging via surface perpetrators that also got ignored, as though our
DARPA and NASA had something of great value to hide from us.
http://www.eri.u-tokyo.ac.jp/takeuchi/publications/09PSS.pdf
http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/library/3-04aLunar-A-Kato.pdf
http://www.glyncollinson.co.uk/space/space-moonlite.html
http://www.glyncollinson.co.uk/space/collinson_et_al_jbis_%2061_2008.pdf
With better science comes an understanding of what makes our moon
tick, so to speak. This 3D imaging of its interior is essential if
those future TBMs are going to head in the best possible directions.
What’s under the thin crust of Venus is of course rather nasty molten
hot and perhaps even fluid enough to make near any sort of TBM
applications unlikely, so we need not bother.
On Jan 29, 11:15 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 4, 2012, 1:11:38 AM2/4/12
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Just because our early NASA/Apollo era was essentially a cold-war ruse
continuation, and whatever science was at best secondary if not worse,
as well as their being colorblind, but certainly not unable to doctor
those Kodak film recorded images by way of dodging, burning and
physically stacking in order to create new transparency masters that
fully simulate and even equal the best of any modern PhotoShop
expertise, doesn’t mean that our moon is actually limited as to
offering only those inert pastel grays that somehow managed to reflect
those Kodak film recorded images by way of dodging, burning and
physically stacking in order to create new transparency masters that
fully simulate and even equal the best of any modern PhotoShop
expertise, doesn’t mean that our moon is actually limited as to
their visual spectrum so much better (roughly three times better) and
with less personal as well as Kodak film safety issues the closer they
got to it.
Raw natural sunlight plus its considerable UV illumination along with
merely enhanced color saturation reveals the sorts of secondary/recoil
fluorescents of those typically dark mineral colors of our otherwise
physically dark moon, that many others claim is perfectly
monochromatic of pastel grays and otherwise relatively inert (lacking
any paramagnetic or diamagnetic metallicity).
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42&start=45
Some kind of future game changing is going to be absolutely imperative
if this planet of lost souls that’s starving for hydrocarbons and
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42&start=45
Some kind of future game changing is going to be absolutely imperative
other mineral resources of basic sustenance and other essential
minerals or raw element needs is ever going to stabilize and prosper,
perhaps as intended by those having created and/or having allowed us
to use this planet. Of course certain Zionists/Jews seem to think
minerals or raw element needs is ever going to stabilize and prosper,
perhaps as intended by those having created and/or having allowed us
this entire planet was specifically intended for only their use and
benefit, not that a few other religions haven’t developed that very
same notion in order to survive in spite of what the upper caste of
Zionist-Jews have been getting away with. Oddly, many other religions
benefit, not that a few other religions haven’t developed that very
same notion in order to survive in spite of what the upper caste of
because of their much simpler needs and lacking the same level of
tenacity towards creating artificial scarcity via hoarding and greed,
can’t be so easily blamed for any of this global disparity and its
social/political dysfunctions.
Political, corporate and especially their usual faith-based cloak of
insider trading and unlimited corruption has to be eliminated or at
least tamed unless the same old do-overs of spendy and too often
bloody failures, greed and hoarding is what remains as our one and
only mainstream status-quo option, of creating and/or sustaining
bloody failures, greed and hoarding is what remains as our one and
global and even local disparity. Unfortunately, whomever our republic
elects to represent us as our President, are still quite deluded to
think that others above this level of presidency are not pulling
strings on their own behalf, and as long as the whole truth and
nothing but the truth of our history can't ever be revised and told to
the current and next K-12 generations, there's going to be a perpetual
continuation of the same old status-quo policies that got us into this
mess of energy deficiencies plus other resource depletions and/or
strings on their own behalf, and as long as the whole truth and
nothing but the truth of our history can't ever be revised and told to
the current and next K-12 generations, there's going to be a perpetual
continuation of the same old status-quo policies that got us into this
inflation via artificial scarcity to begin with.
I’m thinking off-world exploitations of our moon and of that extremely
nearby planet Venus would make a truly big difference, as a serious
game changer that should easily prevent WW3, as well as minimize any
chance of seeing another 9/11, and unfortunately Forrest Piper is
game changer that should easily prevent WW3, as well as minimize any
absolutely correct that "The corporate international energy fascists
will stop at NOTHING".
platinum, thorium, carbonado or any old lump of coal, and apparently
our gamma spectrometry science of mapping the metallicity of Vesta
simply isn’t working well enough. Apparently, the closer we get to
something of an asteroid or moon, the brighter its albedo and the less
color/hue saturations exist, as well as anything UV reactive simply
doesn’t exist (at least that’s what our Apollo era moon turned out to
color/hue saturations exist, as well as anything UV reactive simply
be), even though modern cameras have considerably better dynamic range
of contrast and colors (including IR to UV) than any Kodak color film
could possibly offer, so that we seem to have been metallicity blind.
of contrast and colors (including IR to UV) than any Kodak color film
Perhaps going after such off-world metallicity is actually a very good
thing, not that digging up and/or excavating our way through another
shouldn’t get us by (in between all the usual environmental
compromises, mostly negative consequences, international and racial/
ethnicity conflicts that usually involve some degree of faith-based
policy or satanic voodoo, and wars often related to terrestrial
metallicity and always hydrocarbons derived from the very geological
existence of such elements that are getting harder to come by). Thus
far we’ve processed through and/or having excavated and sucked dry
roughly .000001% of our planet as is, and that ten billionths of our
compromises, mostly negative consequences, international and racial/
ethnicity conflicts that usually involve some degree of faith-based
policy or satanic voodoo, and wars often related to terrestrial
metallicity and always hydrocarbons derived from the very geological
existence of such elements that are getting harder to come by). Thus
far we’ve processed through and/or having excavated and sucked dry
planet is only worth 60 trillion tonnes. However, adding in what
we’ve intentionally and accidentally cleared and/or having cultivated
and helped erode to death is perhaps worth an all-inclusive 6
quadrillion tonnes (.0001% or 6000 trillion tonnes) thus far (not
including the glacial ice we’re melting), so perhaps we’ve still got a
really long ways to go before ever reaching that dreaded point of no
return, of our having to meticulously sift through 0.1% of Earth in
order to squeeze out those last drops or cubic meters of hydrocarbons
plus extracting all of those valuable metallicity elements, that which
might not even be possible without our going below our relatively thin
crust, is another good thousand years of considerable disparity and
wars upon wars away. So we’re perfectly good to go as is, without our
ever fussing with anything off-world unless it comes to us in the form
of a nasty asteroid that plows directly into us.
Perhaps this is why the ruling oligarchs and Rothschilds of our planet
could honestly care less about allowing any funding of public or
we’ve intentionally and accidentally cleared and/or having cultivated
and helped erode to death is perhaps worth an all-inclusive 6
quadrillion tonnes (.0001% or 6000 trillion tonnes) thus far (not
including the glacial ice we’re melting), so perhaps we’ve still got a
really long ways to go before ever reaching that dreaded point of no
return, of our having to meticulously sift through 0.1% of Earth in
order to squeeze out those last drops or cubic meters of hydrocarbons
plus extracting all of those valuable metallicity elements, that which
might not even be possible without our going below our relatively thin
crust, is another good thousand years of considerable disparity and
wars upon wars away. So we’re perfectly good to go as is, without our
ever fussing with anything off-world unless it comes to us in the form
of a nasty asteroid that plows directly into us.
Perhaps this is why the ruling oligarchs and Rothschilds of our planet
private investments on behalf of going after off-world expeditions, or
advancing applied technology towards those sorts of metallicity goals,
because we still have sufficient terrestrial resources plus easily
contrived shortages to exploit as is, and why spoil a very good
because we still have sufficient terrestrial resources plus easily
thing. In other words, even if that moon offered a million tonnes of
easily extracted pure platinum and ten million tonnes of gold, why
bother when the terrestrial rich and powerful are living quite large
as is?
lunar element that’s still going to remain as a very nifty metal
that's always in high demand, because it’s still extremely good for
all sorts of terrific stuff, besides just always looking good it’ll
also be kind of hard to replace with other alloys that are any easier
or less spendy to come by. By rights our physically dark moon should
be saturated with its fair share of gold deposits, and otherwise
that's always in high demand, because it’s still extremely good for
all sorts of terrific stuff, besides just always looking good it’ll
also be kind of hard to replace with other alloys that are any easier
or less spendy to come by. By rights our physically dark moon should
perfectly capable of hosting many other valuable metallicity elements,
because any good color image of the physically dark lunar surface
proves that such a terrific assortment of metal saturated ores do
exist, as well as that terrific sodium atmosphere is kind of another
proves that such a terrific assortment of metal saturated ores do
dead giveaway that our moon has been giving off loads of that
metallicity element for quite some time.
Perhaps the next time we actually walk upon that physically dark and
metallicity saturated moon of ours (of no technological sweat
according to our NASA and DARPA Apollo wizards as of 4+ decades ago),
that's unavoidably paramagnetic basalt and highly anticathode worthy,
we should establish some actual interactive science instruments
that'll provide real-time objective science data on demand. There's
always a first time for everything, so why not accomplish our moon and
set up camp, at least using TBMs for going deep inside where it's
going to be perfectly safe and consistently cozy?
We could deploy a lunar qualified version of R2D2 as our LR2D2
telerobotic android geologist scout, outfitted with a few mechanical
Perhaps the next time we actually walk upon that physically dark and
metallicity saturated moon of ours (of no technological sweat
according to our NASA and DARPA Apollo wizards as of 4+ decades ago),
that's unavoidably paramagnetic basalt and highly anticathode worthy,
we should establish some actual interactive science instruments
that'll provide real-time objective science data on demand. There's
always a first time for everything, so why not accomplish our moon and
set up camp, at least using TBMs for going deep inside where it's
going to be perfectly safe and consistently cozy?
We could deploy a lunar qualified version of R2D2 as our LR2D2
prospecting tools and science including gamma spectrometry and of
course multiple 100X zoom optical and 16.8e6 pixel imagers that’ll
cover 350 to 1050 nm plus having at least 8 narrow spectrum bandpass
filters or spectrum enhanced saturation channels plus a purely visual
bandpass limited spectrum filter to work with. Obviously this LR2D2
could be fairly substantial in its volume and mass, powered by a load
of HTP plus solar PVs that’s now capable of 100% efficiency, and
otherwise a small plutonium powered generator, because according to
our Apollo era having stipulated that its dusty surface isn’t very
deep and traction is never a problem with such terrific clumping and
surface tension to work with, and those Apollo controlled soft
landings that haven’t been an insurmountable fly-by-rocket problem for
course multiple 100X zoom optical and 16.8e6 pixel imagers that’ll
cover 350 to 1050 nm plus having at least 8 narrow spectrum bandpass
filters or spectrum enhanced saturation channels plus a purely visual
bandpass limited spectrum filter to work with. Obviously this LR2D2
could be fairly substantial in its volume and mass, powered by a load
of HTP plus solar PVs that’s now capable of 100% efficiency, and
otherwise a small plutonium powered generator, because according to
our Apollo era having stipulated that its dusty surface isn’t very
deep and traction is never a problem with such terrific clumping and
surface tension to work with, and those Apollo controlled soft
each of our fist full of burning sticks should take charge, and if
need be storm and burn down those castles of those evil robber barons
oppressing and misguiding us, because to William Mook and many others
telling the rest of us, that with applied physics and existing
technology this planet of ours can at least technically accommodate
billions more without our having to go off-world in seeking greater
riches and/or in further pursuit of even the basics of metallicity
elements that’ll be required for sustaining terrestrial life as we
know it. Of course the already rich and powerful could honestly care
less, because they truly think they’ve got it made no matters what
local or global good or bad consequences take place.
So, it's kind of the new evil of us village idiots going up against
the old and well established collective oligarch and Rothschild
evil(s), and may the best bad-guys win. Of course it’s only the most
evil victors that ever get to interpret and publish their version of
history, so that whatever mistakes or do-overs at public expense can
be forgotten (aka obfuscated or banished from the records) and/or
forgiven as well as whenever possible continually blamed on those
other evil bad guys that were the losers. Clearly, it seems that only
us few good guys of Usenet/newsgroups are the intended losers, perhaps
because we didn’t get to cheat, steal and obfuscate our way to the
top, plus getting those public-funded bailouts to boot wasn’t ever
within our grasp.
need be storm and burn down those castles of those evil robber barons
oppressing and misguiding us, because to William Mook and many others
telling the rest of us, that with applied physics and existing
technology this planet of ours can at least technically accommodate
billions more without our having to go off-world in seeking greater
riches and/or in further pursuit of even the basics of metallicity
elements that’ll be required for sustaining terrestrial life as we
know it. Of course the already rich and powerful could honestly care
less, because they truly think they’ve got it made no matters what
local or global good or bad consequences take place.
So, it's kind of the new evil of us village idiots going up against
the old and well established collective oligarch and Rothschild
evil(s), and may the best bad-guys win. Of course it’s only the most
evil victors that ever get to interpret and publish their version of
history, so that whatever mistakes or do-overs at public expense can
be forgotten (aka obfuscated or banished from the records) and/or
forgiven as well as whenever possible continually blamed on those
other evil bad guys that were the losers. Clearly, it seems that only
us few good guys of Usenet/newsgroups are the intended losers, perhaps
because we didn’t get to cheat, steal and obfuscate our way to the
top, plus getting those public-funded bailouts to boot wasn’t ever
within our grasp.
On Jan 29, 11:15 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 4, 2012, 12:31:09 AM2/4/12
to
Off-world metallicity isn’t just about going after bling, because
there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides clear/white
diamonds or even black carbonado diamonds and gold (not that either of
there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides clear/white
those should be in any short supply). No doubt our naked moon and its
considerable mascons offer the likes of cobalt(Co-60) in addition to
thorium, uranium and a few other heavy elements, such as common
titanium, gold and platinum shouldn’t be unlikely.
Terrestrial hydrocarbons are getting in short supply, because the
fracking of deep bedrock shale in order to release natural gas is a
clinical form of hydrocarbon desperation on steroids, though
technically doable as long as the energy derived is at least 10% above
the all-inclusive required energy input (though Canada keeps making
big bucks off of us when it produces oil at a net energy loss, so
there’s no complaints about earthquakes or ground water getting
saturated toxins, nor mention anything about the additional release of
helium.
However, if we can’t manage to supply our own hydrocarbons at the
lowest price on Earth (similar to how Venezuela has managed to locally
distribute their hydrocarbons at less than 10% of what we get to pay),
much less having any surplus for export, and instead we have to keep
the social/political pressure on those which do seem to have more than
their fair share by way of our maintaining artificial scarcity and/or
via insider trading plus hording, bullying and covert false-flag and/
or special ops that can manage to get away with pretty much anything
(including assassinations and war), then we’re in a whole lot bigger
and nastier immoral pot of trouble than we’re being allowed to know
about.
That recent 60 Minutes interview of Qatar “Rising From the Sand”, has
certainly developed their rather large surplus of oil and natural gas,
of which they also refine their own crude oil plus process and liquefy
saturated toxins, nor mention anything about the additional release of
helium.
However, if we can’t manage to supply our own hydrocarbons at the
lowest price on Earth (similar to how Venezuela has managed to locally
distribute their hydrocarbons at less than 10% of what we get to pay),
much less having any surplus for export, and instead we have to keep
the social/political pressure on those which do seem to have more than
their fair share by way of our maintaining artificial scarcity and/or
via insider trading plus hording, bullying and covert false-flag and/
or special ops that can manage to get away with pretty much anything
(including assassinations and war), then we’re in a whole lot bigger
and nastier immoral pot of trouble than we’re being allowed to know
about.
That recent 60 Minutes interview of Qatar “Rising From the Sand”, has
certainly developed their rather large surplus of oil and natural gas,
their NG mostly for export. Of course natural gas isn’t just CH4, and
oil isn’t just one kind of fluid petrochemical hydrocarbon, so there’s
any number of other valuable fluids and gasses which they also get to
market to the highest bidders. Qatar has more than proven how the
world can be way better off with a surplus of energy, and especially
when so many others are either hydrocarbon deficient or simply too
greedy and careless with their mass consumption, that’s very addictive
plus otherwise artificially made essential to sustaining their modern
way and quality of life.
According to others, including William Mook and myself, there have
always been perfectly viable energy alternatives and/or substitutes
that in many applications are every bit as good or better than natural
hydrocarbons, as well as way better for the global environment
(including highest quality and less spendy synfuel from coal via
oil isn’t just one kind of fluid petrochemical hydrocarbon, so there’s
any number of other valuable fluids and gasses which they also get to
market to the highest bidders. Qatar has more than proven how the
world can be way better off with a surplus of energy, and especially
when so many others are either hydrocarbon deficient or simply too
greedy and careless with their mass consumption, that’s very addictive
plus otherwise artificially made essential to sustaining their modern
way and quality of life.
According to others, including William Mook and myself, there have
always been perfectly viable energy alternatives and/or substitutes
that in many applications are every bit as good or better than natural
hydrocarbons, as well as way better for the global environment
Mokenergy). This certainly doesn’t mean that any 100% shift away from
conventional hydrocarbons is necessary, but it does mean that we need
to get ourselves a whole lot smarter about consuming such hydrocarbons
conventional hydrocarbons is necessary, but it does mean that we need
and other energy usage, because having to lose thousands of folks per
year (not even including military losses) and artificially
manipulating global markets and/or going to war on false pretexts
isn’t exactly a viable long-term alternative.
Going off-world has certain spendy and obvious human risk factors, but
it also offers multiple alternatives for obtaining valuable
metallicity and unlimited energy for the extracting, processing and
exporting such pure elements back to Earth, at a fraction of the
year (not even including military losses) and artificially
manipulating global markets and/or going to war on false pretexts
isn’t exactly a viable long-term alternative.
Going off-world has certain spendy and obvious human risk factors, but
it also offers multiple alternatives for obtaining valuable
metallicity and unlimited energy for the extracting, processing and
negative environmental impact that our all-inclusive terrestrial
alternatives would continually involve, not to mention resolving
multiple international and social/political issues by avoiding
needless global inflation and wars.
This means we need to look long and hard at the existing treasure
trove of our physically dark and paramagnetic moon (especially looking
needless global inflation and wars.
This means we need to look long and hard at the existing treasure
inside of it), as well as to further consider whatever that extremely
nearby planet Venus has to offer.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
On Jan 29, 11:15 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 4, 2012, 2:50:18 AM2/4/12
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No doubt powerful TBMs can tunnel through enough of Earth in order to
extract those valuable elements of metallicity, plus making cozy room
for billions more of us, and there’s always my 100 km tall condo
spires with their 10:1 ratio of a 10 x 10 km (100 km2) surface base
floor area (+10% larger foundation that’s .5 km deep) and its 1 km2
top floor could easily help accommodate billions more at the least
amount of energy and minimal outside resources, not that many of us
even deserve to have this planet as is, and quite naturally because
this isn’t your idea means that it isn’t ever going to happen.
Instead we have the continued with our protection of those idiots in
charge of our government and their many agencies, is perhaps the main
reason why the rest of us are forever stuck with having to elect
idiots instead of the sorts of expertise that perhaps yourself and
only a few others represent.
Problem is, as long as history that's published as K-12 textbooks and
only verified by the victors, can't ever get independently edited and
revised in order to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth,
kind of insures that nothing major is ever going to change for the
better. Mook can't even get his better stuff off the ground (so to
speak), and that cheap 18 million dollar island for his new and
improved energy independent republic is just another example of what's
not going to happen, at least not within his lifetime. So instead, we
all get older, crankier and eventually die with absolutely nothing
about history revised or seeing any shift in policy that could reduce
the social/political disparity that has so many of us financially
drained and in the dumps.
Perhaps the next energy starved generation(s) will get to takeover
where Mook and myself left off, though somehow I kind of doubt they'll
be either half smart enough or brave enough to do so.
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Since there are only a few of us trying to honestly make a positive/
constructive difference, whereas the vast majority in these Usenet/
newsgroups are only here as mainstream FUD-masters in order to
accomplish as much damage-control as possible, is why newcomers or the
general public of K-12s and higher educated need to remain tough at
taking mainstream flack from most every angle, because topics like
this one can get downright testy at returning the favor with all the
love and affection that I can muster.
Terrestrial hydrocarbons are in fact going to become our most damaging
folly towards expediting the ongoing demise of our frail environment,
not that hydrocarbons haven’t contributed to the advancements of
humanity in spite of their already having done more damage than good
by indirectly fueling our faith-based cultivated rage and distrust of
most other humans, plus expediting the systematic demise of far too
many highly complex species that took millions of years to evolve
before any embryo of a primitive human ever existed, whereas we’ve
managed to eradicate them within a few centuries (most extensively
during this last century).
In spite of nature venting plus how extra dreadful we’ve made this
world for most of us, the staggering task of salvaging Earth and
accommodating billions more of us is still going to be relatively easy
compared to going after the greater off-world prosperity that’s
represented by our moon and Venus, replacing hydrocarbons with rare
metallicity and preferably using hydrogen, thorium, geothermal and
Li-6 + H-D fusion instead of our perpetual dependency on
hydrocarbons. This doesn’t mean that hydrocarbons are going to get
banished or otherwise entirely excluded, but instead more selectively
utilized along with HTP that’s easily formulated to suit, or nearly
replaced by using hydrogen and thereby stretching those expensive
hydrocarbons and minimizing their impact by at least a good 5 fold,
along with considerable health benefits that are at least worth a
thousand fold.
One option is to allow competitive off-world metallicity resourcing.
Naturally the off-world cost of anything is kind of relative, such as
how Big Energy managed to go along with starting and sustaining bogus
wars is what also enabled our very own oil explorations and
extractions to become viable, as well as those oily-sands as Canadian
alternatives that are clearly a negative energy coefficient and a
maximum pollution tradeoff that our next ten generations will never
see any direct nor indirect benefit from, but what the hell, at least
it’s keeping our hydrocarbon addiction going. This same global
inflation makes spent or depleted mineral mining viable and even worth
the extra energy and human risk, all because of the contrived
shortages and obvious hoarding by those that could care less what
global trauma and carnage takes place.
No doubt the surface environment of Venus is going to remain much
worse than any hot potato. However, that scorching hot planet has
lots of its metallicity in those valuable raw elements to offer, and
fortunately there’s no shortage of renewable energy to process any of
it. But naturally, we can just keep ignoring this and/or avoiding the
opportunity to take our fair share of its valuable elements that could
make our world a whole lot better and safer place to live, as I'm
certain that our terrestrial robber-baron oligarchs and Rothschilds
would dearly love if we'd just forget about ever exploiting the likes
of our moon and that extremely nearby planet, Venus.
Going after off-world elements (including hydrocarbons) may at first
seem kind of spendy, although once past their breakeven point it’s all
good, and off-world metallicity alone can make that investment
breakeven happen much sooner than our mainstream mafia oligarchs and
Rothschilds are putting us on about. Unlike terrestrial hydrocarbons
costing us trillions each and every year, from our direct consumption
plus via industrial, commercial and government spending on such that’s
strictly need-to-know because they (DoD, Pentagon and a good dozen
other agencies) seriously manage to consume mass quantities of
hydrocarbons, in that some of which gets paid for in ways other than
direct currency (such as in exchange for their off-shore facilities,
drugs and weapons, or in exchange for certain social/political favors
that the next generations gets to pay for in ways of consequences and/
or as karma that’s even more convoluted and spendy than we’re being
told).
Obviously I’m not suggesting that actual liquids or even solid forms
of hydrocarbons be exploited away from off-world resources, because
that’s just silly, however there are a number of hydrocarbon related
products or synthetic derivatives which might qualify. Even 90% HTP
can be bulk manufactured for as little as $0.5/kg (cheaper if produced
via Mokenergy as solar derived HTP) and has a wholesale value of $10/
kg (not including its spendy shipping that’s based almost entirely on
FUD orchestrated paranoia, that could easily double that cost) and
when diluted 30:1 brings its wholesale worth up to roughly $300/kg,
though perhaps a solid cryogenic inert form of 99% HTP or even
modified as a crystallized Acetone Peroxide could become further
modified in order to suit its extremely high density form of 5.3 km/
sec explosive energy, by adding something for stabilization that could
be easily removed.
http://www.peroxidepropulsion.com/hydrogen-peroxide.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide
Raw hydrocarbons via coal, oil, natural gas and even via abiogenic
means are always laced with all sorts of other undesirable elements,
some of which are nearly inert or quite harmless, others potentially
valuable, while many are just downright nasty and spendy to safely
deal with or get rid of, such as the safe removal and storage or
disposal of mercury from coal is so nasty and spendy to accomplish
that most global Big Energy consumption of coal doesn’t hardly bother,
because it’s always the old and next generation that get to suffer and
pay for everything (including our paying for whatever future genetic
mutations plus environmental consequences that are pretty much all
bad).
So, instead of our going for as much as possible all-electric by using
renewable resources plus failsafe thorium which Earth has way more
than enough as is (wouldn’t have cost us 10% of using conventional
uranium fueled reactors), why is the honest all-inclusive cost and/or
impact of even astronomy and so many other research things so often
impossible for us to quantify? (especially whenever public-funded
special interest groups or just Big Energy plus metallicity hoarding
gets involved by forcing us to stick with their terrestrial resources
that are knowingly toxic and getting spendy in more ways than anyone
cares to mention). In other words, supposedly it all adds up, but
without the honest accounting there’s simply nothing that’s
sufficiently all-inclusive to add up, and apparently that’s exactly
how those in charge intend to keep it.
Even the ongoing and artificially accelerated rate of helium loss
isn’t a topic context that’s allowed to be discussed, as though it’s
another one of those need-to-know or nondisclosure taboo topics that
simply offers too much potential doom and gloom even for our resident
FUD-masters to spin into something harmless. Obviously the
eliminations and/or orchestrated demise of such Earth science missions
like OCO was a critical damage-control accomplishment that directly
benefits Big Energy, as well as covers any number of government butts,
because quantifying and mapping global pollution from natural and
artificial sources is obviously something best left hidden or simply
obfuscated/excluded from the rest of us, and it’s either minimized and/
or discredited within any serious Usenet newsgroup topics that
mainstream investigative media might accidentally stumble upon.
Perhaps if we collectively blowout the equivalent of that Gulf BP
fiasco every other month or so could make this planet better implode.
By dumping plus venting six million tonnes of hydrocarbons per year in
addition to what those not so little volumes we manage to consume,
could actually be a very good thing that we’re just not quite smart
enough to appreciate the benefits of CO2, CO, NOx and those sooty and
acidic water vapor variations plus loads of extra helium and a good
dozen other unnatural elements (some fortified with the genetically
toxic molecular mutagen of Corexit), that instead should have stayed
deep underground until we have a failsafe method of extracting only
the methane without having to process and/or release those nasty
elements.
Without a good enough reason or motivation for creating and consuming
vast amounts of renewable hydrogen that’s easily and cheaply made via
solar energy or derived from most any form of surplus energy (same
goes for creating HTP), much less bothering to use Li-6 + H-D for its
terrific fusion energy, perhaps there’s no reason to kid ourselves
that remaining hooked on terrestrial hydrocarbons is supposedly a good
thing and well worth all the wars, pollution, global inflation and the
wealth disparity it can muster. Perhaps we just need to rethink like
an oligarch Rothschild, and everything will turn out perfectly fine
and dandy, in spite of all the helium loss plus the hydrocarbon trauma
we’ve imposed upon our world.
Oops! there I go, ranting off like a village idiot again, by way of
this manifesto mentioning that very bad word “helium”. Sorry about
that.
“In the Earth's atmosphere, the concentration of helium by volume is
only 5.2 parts per million. The concentration is low and fairly
constant despite the continuous production of new helium because most
helium in the Earth's atmosphere escapes into space by several
processes.”
Unavoidably we get a little extra shot of helium(He) along with every
extracted barrel of oil, plus lots more with every cubic meter of
natural gas, to go along with those amounts of He outflux given off by
natural geology, and that’s even human assisted because our biology
and most of whatever we do really doesn’t require nor retain helium.
Essentially, every kg of He that comes out of Earth plus via nuclear
reactors is eventually leaked, vented or essentially given away
because it isn’t getting forever stored nor put back into Earth.
It’s suggested that the natural leakage of helium that’s sustaining
our atmospheric 5.24 ppm is only worth 3000 tonnes per year, but
that’s a total crock. All one needs to do is add up all the vented,
flared and consumed natural gas that always has a percentage of
helium, though most of it is below 1% and only some of it gets as high
as 7% He saturated. As per consuming 3.65e12 m3/yr and given only
0.1% as He = 650,000 tonnes/year, and try to remember that’s using
just an extremely conservative 0.1% as He, and that’s also not
accounting for those multiple blowouts, flaring, leakage nor the
volumes taken directly by Big Energy consumption that supposedly
doesn’t count, so more than likely from natural gas alone we’re
looking at an extra loss of 6.5e6 tonnes/yr (206 kg/sec) that’s
getting away from us, because it sure as hell isn’t getting put back
underground, nor is it sticking with the gravity of Earth, along with
our failing geomagnetic force isn’t exactly helping to hold onto what
we and the natural geothermal ventings are releasing. For all w know,
the all-inclusive helium loss could be as great as 3e7 tonnes/year,
though eventually this should reduce or taper off, simply because
we’ll eventually be running ourselves out of methods for extracting
hydrocarbons, and then it’ll only be the natural outflux of helium
taking place.
You’d think by now we’d have a better objective scientific map and
good monitoring of this volume of helium leakage, but sadly we don’t
and as far as I can tell there’s no one that actually cares. So the
best we can do is to independently investigate and further estimate
from secondary sources and to use deductive science in order to
determine the extent of our helium loss, and to otherwise further
appreciate the consequences (none of which are positive, because this
planet can not afford to keep losing its precious cache of helium).
Of course any planet or moon that over time weighs less is going to
heat and cool faster, not that any one seems to care about that
either.
However, just to imagine if 10% of the necessary metallicity for
sustaining those future generations that’ll be paying rather dearly
for their hydrocarbons plus whatever terrestrial metals were instead
obtained via off-world resources should seem like a really good idea,
as well as a representing those necessary steps in the right direction
for humanity to expand off-world instead of always having to make due
with ten billion cranky humans on a world that can’t honestly afford
to do so. Only our resident naysayers would object to this
interpretation and alternative policy of being perfectly honest, but
instead they have not only their motives, opportunity and the means,
but their boss also has multiple consequences ready if any of his/her
troops should fail to prevail at keeping their mainstream status-quo
in charge of everything.
extract those valuable elements of metallicity, plus making cozy room
for billions more of us, and there’s always my 100 km tall condo
spires with their 10:1 ratio of a 10 x 10 km (100 km2) surface base
floor area (+10% larger foundation that’s .5 km deep) and its 1 km2
top floor could easily help accommodate billions more at the least
amount of energy and minimal outside resources, not that many of us
even deserve to have this planet as is, and quite naturally because
this isn’t your idea means that it isn’t ever going to happen.
Instead we have the continued with our protection of those idiots in
charge of our government and their many agencies, is perhaps the main
reason why the rest of us are forever stuck with having to elect
idiots instead of the sorts of expertise that perhaps yourself and
only a few others represent.
Problem is, as long as history that's published as K-12 textbooks and
only verified by the victors, can't ever get independently edited and
revised in order to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth,
kind of insures that nothing major is ever going to change for the
better. Mook can't even get his better stuff off the ground (so to
speak), and that cheap 18 million dollar island for his new and
improved energy independent republic is just another example of what's
not going to happen, at least not within his lifetime. So instead, we
all get older, crankier and eventually die with absolutely nothing
about history revised or seeing any shift in policy that could reduce
the social/political disparity that has so many of us financially
drained and in the dumps.
Perhaps the next energy starved generation(s) will get to takeover
where Mook and myself left off, though somehow I kind of doubt they'll
be either half smart enough or brave enough to do so.
-
Since there are only a few of us trying to honestly make a positive/
constructive difference, whereas the vast majority in these Usenet/
newsgroups are only here as mainstream FUD-masters in order to
accomplish as much damage-control as possible, is why newcomers or the
general public of K-12s and higher educated need to remain tough at
taking mainstream flack from most every angle, because topics like
this one can get downright testy at returning the favor with all the
love and affection that I can muster.
Terrestrial hydrocarbons are in fact going to become our most damaging
folly towards expediting the ongoing demise of our frail environment,
not that hydrocarbons haven’t contributed to the advancements of
humanity in spite of their already having done more damage than good
by indirectly fueling our faith-based cultivated rage and distrust of
most other humans, plus expediting the systematic demise of far too
many highly complex species that took millions of years to evolve
before any embryo of a primitive human ever existed, whereas we’ve
managed to eradicate them within a few centuries (most extensively
during this last century).
In spite of nature venting plus how extra dreadful we’ve made this
world for most of us, the staggering task of salvaging Earth and
accommodating billions more of us is still going to be relatively easy
compared to going after the greater off-world prosperity that’s
represented by our moon and Venus, replacing hydrocarbons with rare
metallicity and preferably using hydrogen, thorium, geothermal and
Li-6 + H-D fusion instead of our perpetual dependency on
hydrocarbons. This doesn’t mean that hydrocarbons are going to get
banished or otherwise entirely excluded, but instead more selectively
utilized along with HTP that’s easily formulated to suit, or nearly
replaced by using hydrogen and thereby stretching those expensive
hydrocarbons and minimizing their impact by at least a good 5 fold,
along with considerable health benefits that are at least worth a
thousand fold.
One option is to allow competitive off-world metallicity resourcing.
Naturally the off-world cost of anything is kind of relative, such as
how Big Energy managed to go along with starting and sustaining bogus
wars is what also enabled our very own oil explorations and
extractions to become viable, as well as those oily-sands as Canadian
alternatives that are clearly a negative energy coefficient and a
maximum pollution tradeoff that our next ten generations will never
see any direct nor indirect benefit from, but what the hell, at least
it’s keeping our hydrocarbon addiction going. This same global
inflation makes spent or depleted mineral mining viable and even worth
the extra energy and human risk, all because of the contrived
shortages and obvious hoarding by those that could care less what
global trauma and carnage takes place.
No doubt the surface environment of Venus is going to remain much
worse than any hot potato. However, that scorching hot planet has
lots of its metallicity in those valuable raw elements to offer, and
fortunately there’s no shortage of renewable energy to process any of
it. But naturally, we can just keep ignoring this and/or avoiding the
opportunity to take our fair share of its valuable elements that could
make our world a whole lot better and safer place to live, as I'm
certain that our terrestrial robber-baron oligarchs and Rothschilds
would dearly love if we'd just forget about ever exploiting the likes
of our moon and that extremely nearby planet, Venus.
Going after off-world elements (including hydrocarbons) may at first
seem kind of spendy, although once past their breakeven point it’s all
good, and off-world metallicity alone can make that investment
breakeven happen much sooner than our mainstream mafia oligarchs and
Rothschilds are putting us on about. Unlike terrestrial hydrocarbons
costing us trillions each and every year, from our direct consumption
plus via industrial, commercial and government spending on such that’s
strictly need-to-know because they (DoD, Pentagon and a good dozen
other agencies) seriously manage to consume mass quantities of
hydrocarbons, in that some of which gets paid for in ways other than
direct currency (such as in exchange for their off-shore facilities,
drugs and weapons, or in exchange for certain social/political favors
that the next generations gets to pay for in ways of consequences and/
or as karma that’s even more convoluted and spendy than we’re being
told).
Obviously I’m not suggesting that actual liquids or even solid forms
of hydrocarbons be exploited away from off-world resources, because
that’s just silly, however there are a number of hydrocarbon related
products or synthetic derivatives which might qualify. Even 90% HTP
can be bulk manufactured for as little as $0.5/kg (cheaper if produced
via Mokenergy as solar derived HTP) and has a wholesale value of $10/
kg (not including its spendy shipping that’s based almost entirely on
FUD orchestrated paranoia, that could easily double that cost) and
when diluted 30:1 brings its wholesale worth up to roughly $300/kg,
though perhaps a solid cryogenic inert form of 99% HTP or even
modified as a crystallized Acetone Peroxide could become further
modified in order to suit its extremely high density form of 5.3 km/
sec explosive energy, by adding something for stabilization that could
be easily removed.
http://www.peroxidepropulsion.com/hydrogen-peroxide.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide
Raw hydrocarbons via coal, oil, natural gas and even via abiogenic
means are always laced with all sorts of other undesirable elements,
some of which are nearly inert or quite harmless, others potentially
valuable, while many are just downright nasty and spendy to safely
deal with or get rid of, such as the safe removal and storage or
disposal of mercury from coal is so nasty and spendy to accomplish
that most global Big Energy consumption of coal doesn’t hardly bother,
because it’s always the old and next generation that get to suffer and
pay for everything (including our paying for whatever future genetic
mutations plus environmental consequences that are pretty much all
bad).
So, instead of our going for as much as possible all-electric by using
renewable resources plus failsafe thorium which Earth has way more
than enough as is (wouldn’t have cost us 10% of using conventional
uranium fueled reactors), why is the honest all-inclusive cost and/or
impact of even astronomy and so many other research things so often
impossible for us to quantify? (especially whenever public-funded
special interest groups or just Big Energy plus metallicity hoarding
gets involved by forcing us to stick with their terrestrial resources
that are knowingly toxic and getting spendy in more ways than anyone
cares to mention). In other words, supposedly it all adds up, but
without the honest accounting there’s simply nothing that’s
sufficiently all-inclusive to add up, and apparently that’s exactly
how those in charge intend to keep it.
Even the ongoing and artificially accelerated rate of helium loss
isn’t a topic context that’s allowed to be discussed, as though it’s
another one of those need-to-know or nondisclosure taboo topics that
simply offers too much potential doom and gloom even for our resident
FUD-masters to spin into something harmless. Obviously the
eliminations and/or orchestrated demise of such Earth science missions
like OCO was a critical damage-control accomplishment that directly
benefits Big Energy, as well as covers any number of government butts,
because quantifying and mapping global pollution from natural and
artificial sources is obviously something best left hidden or simply
obfuscated/excluded from the rest of us, and it’s either minimized and/
or discredited within any serious Usenet newsgroup topics that
mainstream investigative media might accidentally stumble upon.
Perhaps if we collectively blowout the equivalent of that Gulf BP
fiasco every other month or so could make this planet better implode.
By dumping plus venting six million tonnes of hydrocarbons per year in
addition to what those not so little volumes we manage to consume,
could actually be a very good thing that we’re just not quite smart
enough to appreciate the benefits of CO2, CO, NOx and those sooty and
acidic water vapor variations plus loads of extra helium and a good
dozen other unnatural elements (some fortified with the genetically
toxic molecular mutagen of Corexit), that instead should have stayed
deep underground until we have a failsafe method of extracting only
the methane without having to process and/or release those nasty
elements.
Without a good enough reason or motivation for creating and consuming
vast amounts of renewable hydrogen that’s easily and cheaply made via
solar energy or derived from most any form of surplus energy (same
goes for creating HTP), much less bothering to use Li-6 + H-D for its
terrific fusion energy, perhaps there’s no reason to kid ourselves
that remaining hooked on terrestrial hydrocarbons is supposedly a good
thing and well worth all the wars, pollution, global inflation and the
wealth disparity it can muster. Perhaps we just need to rethink like
an oligarch Rothschild, and everything will turn out perfectly fine
and dandy, in spite of all the helium loss plus the hydrocarbon trauma
we’ve imposed upon our world.
Oops! there I go, ranting off like a village idiot again, by way of
this manifesto mentioning that very bad word “helium”. Sorry about
that.
“In the Earth's atmosphere, the concentration of helium by volume is
only 5.2 parts per million. The concentration is low and fairly
constant despite the continuous production of new helium because most
helium in the Earth's atmosphere escapes into space by several
processes.”
Unavoidably we get a little extra shot of helium(He) along with every
extracted barrel of oil, plus lots more with every cubic meter of
natural gas, to go along with those amounts of He outflux given off by
natural geology, and that’s even human assisted because our biology
and most of whatever we do really doesn’t require nor retain helium.
Essentially, every kg of He that comes out of Earth plus via nuclear
reactors is eventually leaked, vented or essentially given away
because it isn’t getting forever stored nor put back into Earth.
It’s suggested that the natural leakage of helium that’s sustaining
our atmospheric 5.24 ppm is only worth 3000 tonnes per year, but
that’s a total crock. All one needs to do is add up all the vented,
flared and consumed natural gas that always has a percentage of
helium, though most of it is below 1% and only some of it gets as high
as 7% He saturated. As per consuming 3.65e12 m3/yr and given only
0.1% as He = 650,000 tonnes/year, and try to remember that’s using
just an extremely conservative 0.1% as He, and that’s also not
accounting for those multiple blowouts, flaring, leakage nor the
volumes taken directly by Big Energy consumption that supposedly
doesn’t count, so more than likely from natural gas alone we’re
looking at an extra loss of 6.5e6 tonnes/yr (206 kg/sec) that’s
getting away from us, because it sure as hell isn’t getting put back
underground, nor is it sticking with the gravity of Earth, along with
our failing geomagnetic force isn’t exactly helping to hold onto what
we and the natural geothermal ventings are releasing. For all w know,
the all-inclusive helium loss could be as great as 3e7 tonnes/year,
though eventually this should reduce or taper off, simply because
we’ll eventually be running ourselves out of methods for extracting
hydrocarbons, and then it’ll only be the natural outflux of helium
taking place.
You’d think by now we’d have a better objective scientific map and
good monitoring of this volume of helium leakage, but sadly we don’t
and as far as I can tell there’s no one that actually cares. So the
best we can do is to independently investigate and further estimate
from secondary sources and to use deductive science in order to
determine the extent of our helium loss, and to otherwise further
appreciate the consequences (none of which are positive, because this
planet can not afford to keep losing its precious cache of helium).
Of course any planet or moon that over time weighs less is going to
heat and cool faster, not that any one seems to care about that
either.
However, just to imagine if 10% of the necessary metallicity for
sustaining those future generations that’ll be paying rather dearly
for their hydrocarbons plus whatever terrestrial metals were instead
obtained via off-world resources should seem like a really good idea,
as well as a representing those necessary steps in the right direction
for humanity to expand off-world instead of always having to make due
with ten billion cranky humans on a world that can’t honestly afford
to do so. Only our resident naysayers would object to this
interpretation and alternative policy of being perfectly honest, but
instead they have not only their motives, opportunity and the means,
but their boss also has multiple consequences ready if any of his/her
troops should fail to prevail at keeping their mainstream status-quo
in charge of everything.
On Jan 29, 11:15 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 4, 2012, 10:46:37 AM2/4/12
to
Besides metallicity solids and various carbonado bling (including
clear diamond), there’s likely fluid and gas hydrocarbons to be
found. Not that importing raw oil and gas from off-world resources is
any good idea.
Obviously the moon Titan with its oceans of cool methane and no other
sign or indications of anything biological, is kind of an anti-fossil
or non-organic fuel creation consideration. So, there must be other
ways of planets and moons creating their own hydrocarbons.
Abiotic hydrocarbons (aka oil and natural gas)
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/energy-intelligence/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
This kind of secondary metallicity benefit, that which under the right
conditions creates hydrocarbons is actually a very good thing,
especially if those off-world hydrocarbons can be utilized to help
power up these remote locations. Of course any lack of oxygen makes
off-world notions of using hydrocarbons kind of pointless, although O2
extracted from the crust and interior of other planets and moons can’t
be all that insurmountable. With applied technology, enough O2 can
even be extracted from that thin air of Mars, although it’s uncertain
if any natural geology resource is going to resupply that oxygen,
because thus far there’s nothing organic or biologically happening on
Mars unless it’s active deep underground.
clear diamond), there’s likely fluid and gas hydrocarbons to be
found. Not that importing raw oil and gas from off-world resources is
any good idea.
Obviously the moon Titan with its oceans of cool methane and no other
sign or indications of anything biological, is kind of an anti-fossil
or non-organic fuel creation consideration. So, there must be other
ways of planets and moons creating their own hydrocarbons.
Abiotic hydrocarbons (aka oil and natural gas)
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/energy-intelligence/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
This kind of secondary metallicity benefit, that which under the right
conditions creates hydrocarbons is actually a very good thing,
especially if those off-world hydrocarbons can be utilized to help
power up these remote locations. Of course any lack of oxygen makes
off-world notions of using hydrocarbons kind of pointless, although O2
extracted from the crust and interior of other planets and moons can’t
be all that insurmountable. With applied technology, enough O2 can
even be extracted from that thin air of Mars, although it’s uncertain
if any natural geology resource is going to resupply that oxygen,
because thus far there’s nothing organic or biologically happening on
Mars unless it’s active deep underground.
On Jan 29, 11:15 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 4, 2012, 2:15:30 PM2/4/12
to
With only 2% of Earth suitable for naked Goldilocks to survive upon,
and at most 5% of Earth viable for accommodating the rest of us on dry
land that’ll sustain us (possibly utilizing 10% or 5e13 m2 with
sufficiently advanced technology applied), is kind of why this planet
of ours is getting overcrowded and otherwise resource compromised.
So, it might be a good idea to at least think constructively about
exploiting the innards of our moon, as well as the literally hot
prospects of our utilizing Venus which offers unlimited renewable
energy and 100% of its surface plus terrific atmospheric buoyancy for
us to utilize, because technology does exist that’s suited for 811 K,
and otherwise the extremely well protected innards of our moon can’t
possibly be all that TBM insurmountable or much less humanly
forbidden. Of course exoplanets and even their moons can be quite
nice too, other than unobtainable for the foreseeable future of many
thousand generations to come, that is unless those Star Trek
transporters moving our frail genetic DNA code at c, and properly
reassembling us at whatever given destination, turns out being safely
doable.
Besides metallicity solids and various carbonado bling (including
clear diamond), there’s likely fluid and gas hydrocarbons to be
found. Not that importing raw oil and gas from off-world resources is
any good idea.
Obviously the moon Titan with its oceans of cool methane and no other
signs or indications of anything biological, is kind of an anti-fossil
and at most 5% of Earth viable for accommodating the rest of us on dry
land that’ll sustain us (possibly utilizing 10% or 5e13 m2 with
sufficiently advanced technology applied), is kind of why this planet
of ours is getting overcrowded and otherwise resource compromised.
So, it might be a good idea to at least think constructively about
exploiting the innards of our moon, as well as the literally hot
prospects of our utilizing Venus which offers unlimited renewable
energy and 100% of its surface plus terrific atmospheric buoyancy for
us to utilize, because technology does exist that’s suited for 811 K,
and otherwise the extremely well protected innards of our moon can’t
possibly be all that TBM insurmountable or much less humanly
forbidden. Of course exoplanets and even their moons can be quite
nice too, other than unobtainable for the foreseeable future of many
thousand generations to come, that is unless those Star Trek
transporters moving our frail genetic DNA code at c, and properly
reassembling us at whatever given destination, turns out being safely
doable.
Besides metallicity solids and various carbonado bling (including
clear diamond), there’s likely fluid and gas hydrocarbons to be
found. Not that importing raw oil and gas from off-world resources is
any good idea.
Obviously the moon Titan with its oceans of cool methane and no other
or non-organic fuel creation consideration. So, there must be other
ways of planets and moons creating their own hydrocarbons.
Abiotic hydrocarbons (aka oil and natural gas)
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/energy-intelligence/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
This kind of secondary metallicity benefit, that which under the right
conditions creates hydrocarbons is actually a very good thing,
especially if those off-world hydrocarbons can be utilized to help
power up these remote locations. Of course any lack of oxygen makes
off-world notions of using hydrocarbons kind of pointless, although O2
extracted from the crust and interior of other planets and moons can’t
be all that insurmountable. With applied technology, enough O2 can
even be extracted from that thin air of Mars, although it’s uncertain
if any natural geology resource is going to resupply that oxygen,
because thus far there’s nothing organic or biologically happening on
Mars unless it’s active deep underground.
ways of planets and moons creating their own hydrocarbons.
Abiotic hydrocarbons (aka oil and natural gas)
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/energy-intelligence/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
This kind of secondary metallicity benefit, that which under the right
conditions creates hydrocarbons is actually a very good thing,
especially if those off-world hydrocarbons can be utilized to help
power up these remote locations. Of course any lack of oxygen makes
off-world notions of using hydrocarbons kind of pointless, although O2
extracted from the crust and interior of other planets and moons can’t
be all that insurmountable. With applied technology, enough O2 can
even be extracted from that thin air of Mars, although it’s uncertain
if any natural geology resource is going to resupply that oxygen,
because thus far there’s nothing organic or biologically happening on
Mars unless it’s active deep underground.
On Jan 29, 11:15 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 4, 2012, 3:24:06 PM2/4/12
to
Clearly the all-inclusive birth to grave issues of us being the one
and only species that uses hydrocarbons, and fights to our death over
it's availability and the artificial scarcity that makes for the
terrific wealth, authority and social/political power disparity that
has many nations in a tailspin, as such has a considerable degree of
consequences for those of us that fail to adapt to this new and
improved level of greed and insider orchestrated skullduggery.
Keeping us from going off-world in pursuit of alternative energy and
metallicity of great value, seems kind of expected of what our
oligarch peers intend to do with many of us. The last thing they want
is to allow private individuals to greatly profit or even indirectly
benefit from off-world exploitations.
With only 2% of Earth suitable for naked Goldilocks to survive upon,
and at most 5% of Earth viable for accommodating the rest of us on dry
land that’ll sustain us (possibly utilizing 10% or 5e13 m2 with
sufficiently advanced technology applied), is kind of why this planet
of ours is getting overcrowded and otherwise resource compromised.
So, it might be a good idea to at least think constructively about
exploiting the innards of our moon, as well as the literally hot
prospects of our utilizing Venus which offers unlimited renewable
energy and 100% of its surface plus terrific atmospheric buoyancy for
us to utilize, because technology does exist that’s suited for 811 K,
and otherwise the extremely well protected innards of our moon can’t
possibly be all that TBM insurmountable or much less humanly
forbidden. Of course exoplanets and even their moons can be quite
nice too, other than unobtainable for the foreseeable future of many
thousand generations to come, that is unless those Star Trek
transporters moving our frail genetic DNA code at c, and properly
reassembling us at whatever given destination, turns out being safely
doable.
Besides metallicity solids and various carbonado bling (including
clear diamond), there’s likely solid, fluid and gas hydrocarbons to be
found. Not that importing raw coal, oil and gas from off-world
habitats that are relatively safe, and especially safe if there was a
60 km thick crust of fused basalt to work with, and having only
insignificant seismic issues compared to Earth.
and only species that uses hydrocarbons, and fights to our death over
it's availability and the artificial scarcity that makes for the
terrific wealth, authority and social/political power disparity that
has many nations in a tailspin, as such has a considerable degree of
consequences for those of us that fail to adapt to this new and
improved level of greed and insider orchestrated skullduggery.
Keeping us from going off-world in pursuit of alternative energy and
metallicity of great value, seems kind of expected of what our
oligarch peers intend to do with many of us. The last thing they want
is to allow private individuals to greatly profit or even indirectly
benefit from off-world exploitations.
With only 2% of Earth suitable for naked Goldilocks to survive upon,
and at most 5% of Earth viable for accommodating the rest of us on dry
land that’ll sustain us (possibly utilizing 10% or 5e13 m2 with
sufficiently advanced technology applied), is kind of why this planet
of ours is getting overcrowded and otherwise resource compromised.
So, it might be a good idea to at least think constructively about
exploiting the innards of our moon, as well as the literally hot
prospects of our utilizing Venus which offers unlimited renewable
energy and 100% of its surface plus terrific atmospheric buoyancy for
us to utilize, because technology does exist that’s suited for 811 K,
and otherwise the extremely well protected innards of our moon can’t
possibly be all that TBM insurmountable or much less humanly
forbidden. Of course exoplanets and even their moons can be quite
nice too, other than unobtainable for the foreseeable future of many
thousand generations to come, that is unless those Star Trek
transporters moving our frail genetic DNA code at c, and properly
reassembling us at whatever given destination, turns out being safely
doable.
Besides metallicity solids and various carbonado bling (including
found. Not that importing raw coal, oil and gas from off-world
resources is any good idea.
Obviously the moon Titan with its oceans of cool methane and no other
signs or indications of anything biological, is kind of an anti-fossil
or non-organic fuel creation consideration. So, there must be other
ways of planets and moons creating their own hydrocarbons.
Abiotic hydrocarbons (aka oil and natural gas)
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/energy-intelligence/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
This kind of secondary metallicity benefit, that which under the right
conditions creates hydrocarbons is actually a very good thing,
especially if those off-world hydrocarbons can be utilized to help
power up these remote locations. Of course any lack of oxygen makes
off-world notions of using hydrocarbons kind of pointless, although O2
extracted from the crust and interior of other planets and moons can’t
be all that insurmountable. With applied technology, enough O2 can
even be extracted from that thin air of Mars, although it’s uncertain
if any natural geology resource is going to resupply that oxygen,
because thus far there’s nothing organic or biologically happening on
Mars unless it’s active deep underground.
Using large scale TBMs could easily create terrestrial and off-world
Obviously the moon Titan with its oceans of cool methane and no other
signs or indications of anything biological, is kind of an anti-fossil
or non-organic fuel creation consideration. So, there must be other
ways of planets and moons creating their own hydrocarbons.
Abiotic hydrocarbons (aka oil and natural gas)
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/energy-intelligence/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
This kind of secondary metallicity benefit, that which under the right
conditions creates hydrocarbons is actually a very good thing,
especially if those off-world hydrocarbons can be utilized to help
power up these remote locations. Of course any lack of oxygen makes
off-world notions of using hydrocarbons kind of pointless, although O2
extracted from the crust and interior of other planets and moons can’t
be all that insurmountable. With applied technology, enough O2 can
even be extracted from that thin air of Mars, although it’s uncertain
if any natural geology resource is going to resupply that oxygen,
because thus far there’s nothing organic or biologically happening on
Mars unless it’s active deep underground.
habitats that are relatively safe, and especially safe if there was a
60 km thick crust of fused basalt to work with, and having only
insignificant seismic issues compared to Earth.
On Jan 29, 11:15 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 4, 2012, 5:43:58 PM2/4/12
to
Clearly the all-inclusive birth to grave issues of us being the one
and only species that uses hydrocarbons, and fights to our death over
its availability and the artificial scarcity that makes for the
and only species that uses hydrocarbons, and fights to our death over
terrific wealth, authority and social/political power of applied
disparity that has many nations in a tailspin, as such has a
considerable degree of mostly negative consequences for those of us
that fail to adapt to this new and improved level of greed and insider
orchestrated skullduggery that always put a very happy smile on those
oligarch Rothschild faces.
The mainstream that’s keeping us from going off-world in pursuit of
alternative energy and metallicity of great value, seems kind of
expected of what our oligarch peers intend to do with many of us. The
absolute last thing they want is to allow private individuals to
expected of what our oligarch peers intend to do with many of us. The
greatly profit or even indirectly benefit from off-world
exploitations.
With only 2% of Earth suitable for naked Goldilocks to survive upon,
and at most 5% of Earth viable for accommodating the rest of us on dry
land that’ll sustain us (possibly utilizing 10% or 5e13 m2 with
sufficiently advanced technology applied), is kind of why this planet
of ours is getting overcrowded and otherwise resource compromised.
So, it might be a good idea to at least think constructively about
exploiting the innards of our moon, as well as the literally hot
prospects of our utilizing Venus which offers unlimited renewable
energy and 100% of its surface plus terrific atmospheric buoyancy for
us to utilize to any extent we can imagine, because technology does
exploitations.
With only 2% of Earth suitable for naked Goldilocks to survive upon,
and at most 5% of Earth viable for accommodating the rest of us on dry
land that’ll sustain us (possibly utilizing 10% or 5e13 m2 with
sufficiently advanced technology applied), is kind of why this planet
of ours is getting overcrowded and otherwise resource compromised.
So, it might be a good idea to at least think constructively about
exploiting the innards of our moon, as well as the literally hot
prospects of our utilizing Venus which offers unlimited renewable
energy and 100% of its surface plus terrific atmospheric buoyancy for
exist that’s suited for 811 K and 100+ bar, and otherwise the
extremely well protected innards of our moon can’t possibly be all
that TBM insurmountable or much less human forbidden. Of course
exoplanets and even their moons can be quite nice too, other than
unobtainable for the foreseeable future of many thousand generations
to come, that is unless those Star Trek transporters moving our frail
genetic DNA code at c, and properly reassembling us at whatever given
destination, turns out being safely doable.
Besides metallicity solids and various carbonado bling (including
clear diamond), there’s likely solid, fluid and gas hydrocarbons to be
found. Not that importing raw coal, oil and gas from off-world
resources is any good idea.
Obviously the moon Titan with its oceans of cool methane and no other
signs or indications of anything biological, is kind of an anti-fossil
or non-organic fuel creation consideration. So, there must be other
ways of planets and moons creating their own hydrocarbons.
Abiotic hydrocarbons (aka oil and natural gas)
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/energy-intelligence/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
This kind of secondary metallicity benefit, that which under the right
conditions creates hydrocarbons, is actually a very good thing to
unobtainable for the foreseeable future of many thousand generations
to come, that is unless those Star Trek transporters moving our frail
genetic DNA code at c, and properly reassembling us at whatever given
destination, turns out being safely doable.
Besides metallicity solids and various carbonado bling (including
clear diamond), there’s likely solid, fluid and gas hydrocarbons to be
found. Not that importing raw coal, oil and gas from off-world
resources is any good idea.
Obviously the moon Titan with its oceans of cool methane and no other
signs or indications of anything biological, is kind of an anti-fossil
or non-organic fuel creation consideration. So, there must be other
ways of planets and moons creating their own hydrocarbons.
Abiotic hydrocarbons (aka oil and natural gas)
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/energy-intelligence/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
This kind of secondary metallicity benefit, that which under the right
learn about, especially if those off-world hydrocarbons can be
utilized to help power up these remote locations. Of course any lack
of oxygen makes off-world notions of using hydrocarbons kind of
pointless, although O2 extracted from the crust and interior of other
planets and moons can’t be all that insurmountable. With applied
technology, enough O2 can even be extracted from that thin air of
Mars, although it’s uncertain if any natural geology resource is going
to resupply that oxygen, because thus far there’s nothing organic or
biologically happening on Mars unless it’s only active deep
of oxygen makes off-world notions of using hydrocarbons kind of
pointless, although O2 extracted from the crust and interior of other
planets and moons can’t be all that insurmountable. With applied
technology, enough O2 can even be extracted from that thin air of
Mars, although it’s uncertain if any natural geology resource is going
to resupply that oxygen, because thus far there’s nothing organic or
underground.
Using large scale TBMs could easily create terrestrial and off-world
habitats that are relatively safe, and they’d especially safe if there
Using large scale TBMs could easily create terrestrial and off-world
was a 60 km thick crust of fused basalt to work with, and having only
insignificant seismic issues compared to Earth. In other words, the
stable thermal gradient and softer innards of our moon could prove
highly advantageous for us.
On Jan 29, 11:15 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 6, 2012, 9:50:04 AM2/6/12
to
Apparently the usual oligarchs and FUD-masters of "alt.astronomy" and
many other newsgroups can't deal with anything that isn't fully
mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science into this public
newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet insiders want to see
happen, but you can read it anyway.
Most K-12s have been automatically excluded or banished via intranet
filters and other methods, including how Google makes access to these
public newsgroups nearly impossible to find, and their "Google+"
version makes it even more restricted and just slower to respond (I
guess that's progress).
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4105e7234409b99?hl=en%01e2d9843fcc79017#
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219b64d99f880?hl=en%01e2d9843fcc79017#
many other newsgroups can't deal with anything that isn't fully
mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science into this public
newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet insiders want to see
happen, but you can read it anyway.
Most K-12s have been automatically excluded or banished via intranet
filters and other methods, including how Google makes access to these
public newsgroups nearly impossible to find, and their "Google+"
version makes it even more restricted and just slower to respond (I
guess that's progress).
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4105e7234409b99?hl=en%01e2d9843fcc79017#
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219b64d99f880?hl=en%01e2d9843fcc79017#
On Jan 29, 11:15 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 8, 2012, 12:36:13 AM2/8/12
to
This is another K-12 alert. Apparently our moon has secrets.
On Feb 6, 6:50 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently the usual oligarchs and FUD-masters of "alt.astronomy" and
> many other newsgroups can't deal with anything that isn't fully
> mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science into this public
> newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet insiders want to see
> happen, but you can read it anyway.
>
> Most K-12s have been automatically excluded or banished via intranet
> filters and other methods, including how Google makes access to these
> public newsgroups nearly impossible to find, and their "Google+"
> version makes it even more restricted and just slower to respond (I
> guess that's progress).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/e4105e...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219...
On Feb 6, 6:50 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently the usual oligarchs and FUD-masters of "alt.astronomy" and
> many other newsgroups can't deal with anything that isn't fully
> mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science into this public
> newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet insiders want to see
> happen, but you can read it anyway.
>
> Most K-12s have been automatically excluded or banished via intranet
> filters and other methods, including how Google makes access to these
> public newsgroups nearly impossible to find, and their "Google+"
> version makes it even more restricted and just slower to respond (I
> guess that's progress).
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219...
Brad Guth
Feb 9, 2012, 9:53:03 PM2/9/12
to
This is another K-12 alert. Apparently our physically dark moon has
secrets, of terrific metallicity and just about anything else you'd
care to go for.
On Feb 6, 6:50 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently the usual oligarchs and FUD-masters of "alt.astronomy" and
> many other newsgroups can't deal with anything that isn't fully
> mainstream approved. Allowing actual new science into this public
> newsgroup medium isn't something these Usenet insiders want to see
> happen, but you can read it anyway.
>
> Most K-12s have been automatically excluded or banished via intranet
> filters and other methods, including how Google makes access to these
> public newsgroups nearly impossible to find, and their "Google+"
> version makes it even more restricted and just slower to respond (I
> guess that's progress).
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/efe219...
Brad Guth
Feb 10, 2012, 5:25:39 PM2/10/12
to
One of the ultimate prices we get to pay for going off-world, is the
accumulative full-body radiations of all the worse kinds of those
potentially lethal spectrums. With medications of steroids and stem
cells, the body can manage to repair some or even most of the damage,
although not everyone is going to achieve the same benefits.
Astronaut Janice Voss takes a 40+ year hit off her previously above
average healthy life, as having died of breast cancer after being full-
body radiated for only 49 days worth of shuttle orbiting exposure of
her otherwise healthy 55 year life. Sure thing, our NASA/Apollo guys
all managed to get zilch worth of radiation while protected on average
with only half as much shielding, as well as spending hours going each
way though parts of our lethal Van Allen belts, orbiting our naked
moon plus spending a day on its physically dark, naked and gamma
radiating surface while walking upon that considerably paramagnetic
metallicity surface, that by day is not only extremely hot but also
functions as a good anticathode by giving off those pesky gamma and
hard X-rays.
Perhaps like all of their Kodak film that was so unusually rad-hard,
their dosimeters were equally acting rad-hard. But at least so far
they’ve been extremely lucky, by not having experienced anything the
least bit negative in consequences from their great exposures to
solar, cosmic and lunar secondary gamma and X-rays, nor anything
related to their portion of time spent within parts of those Van Allen
belts, especially since the exit and return phase wasn’t nearly polar
enough to avoid some of that higher dosage.
Of course there’s still no objective instrumentation data pertaining
to the hard science of those Apollo missions, other than having to
take their interpretation as the one and only last word on
everything. It’s kind of funny how so much of our spendy mission data
got lost and/or tossed out with the garbage.
accumulative full-body radiations of all the worse kinds of those
potentially lethal spectrums. With medications of steroids and stem
cells, the body can manage to repair some or even most of the damage,
although not everyone is going to achieve the same benefits.
Astronaut Janice Voss takes a 40+ year hit off her previously above
average healthy life, as having died of breast cancer after being full-
body radiated for only 49 days worth of shuttle orbiting exposure of
her otherwise healthy 55 year life. Sure thing, our NASA/Apollo guys
all managed to get zilch worth of radiation while protected on average
with only half as much shielding, as well as spending hours going each
way though parts of our lethal Van Allen belts, orbiting our naked
moon plus spending a day on its physically dark, naked and gamma
radiating surface while walking upon that considerably paramagnetic
metallicity surface, that by day is not only extremely hot but also
functions as a good anticathode by giving off those pesky gamma and
hard X-rays.
Perhaps like all of their Kodak film that was so unusually rad-hard,
their dosimeters were equally acting rad-hard. But at least so far
they’ve been extremely lucky, by not having experienced anything the
least bit negative in consequences from their great exposures to
solar, cosmic and lunar secondary gamma and X-rays, nor anything
related to their portion of time spent within parts of those Van Allen
belts, especially since the exit and return phase wasn’t nearly polar
enough to avoid some of that higher dosage.
Of course there’s still no objective instrumentation data pertaining
to the hard science of those Apollo missions, other than having to
take their interpretation as the one and only last word on
everything. It’s kind of funny how so much of our spendy mission data
got lost and/or tossed out with the garbage.
On Jan 29, 11:15 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 10, 2012, 6:09:58 PM2/10/12
to
One of the ultimate prices we’ll get to pay for going off-world, is
the accumulative full-body radiations from all the worse kinds of
those potentially lethal spectrums. However, with proper medications
including steroids and stem cells, the body can manage to repair some
or even most of the cellular DNA damage, although not everyone is
going to achieve the same benefits because there’s no good way of
telling which cells have been most damaged until the natural rejection
process sets in.
Astronaut Janice Voss takes a 40+ year hit off her previously above
average healthy life, as having died of breast cancer after being full-
body radiated for only 49 days worth of shuttle orbiting exposure to
her otherwise healthy 55 year short life. Sure thing, our NASA/Apollo
our physically dark and otherwise paramagnetic basalt tough (nearly
carbonado worthy) moon, is where the outside environment doesn’t
count. We should even be relatively safe and cozy at 0.1 km depth.
the accumulative full-body radiations from all the worse kinds of
those potentially lethal spectrums. However, with proper medications
including steroids and stem cells, the body can manage to repair some
or even most of the cellular DNA damage, although not everyone is
going to achieve the same benefits because there’s no good way of
telling which cells have been most damaged until the natural rejection
process sets in.
Astronaut Janice Voss takes a 40+ year hit off her previously above
average healthy life, as having died of breast cancer after being full-
her otherwise healthy 55 year short life. Sure thing, our NASA/Apollo
guys all managed to get zilch worth of radiation while protected on
average with only half as much shielding, as well as spending hours
going each way though parts of our lethal Van Allen belts, orbiting
our naked moon plus spending a day on its physically dark, naked and
gamma radiating surface while walking upon that considerably
paramagnetic metallicity surface, that by day is not only extremely
hot but also functions as a good anticathode by giving off those pesky
gamma and hard X-rays.
Perhaps like all of their Kodak film that was so unusually rad-hard,
their dosimeters were equally acting rad-hard. But at least so far
they’ve all been extremely lucky, by not having experienced anything
average with only half as much shielding, as well as spending hours
going each way though parts of our lethal Van Allen belts, orbiting
our naked moon plus spending a day on its physically dark, naked and
gamma radiating surface while walking upon that considerably
paramagnetic metallicity surface, that by day is not only extremely
hot but also functions as a good anticathode by giving off those pesky
gamma and hard X-rays.
Perhaps like all of their Kodak film that was so unusually rad-hard,
their dosimeters were equally acting rad-hard. But at least so far
the least bit negative in consequences from their great exposures to
solar, cosmic and lunar secondary gamma and X-rays, nor anything
related to their portion of time spent within parts of those Van Allen
belts, especially since the exit and return phase wasn’t nearly polar
enough to avoid some of that higher dosage.
Of course there’s still no objective instrumentation data pertaining
to the hard science of those Apollo missions, other than having to
take their interpretation as the one and only last word on
everything. It’s kind of funny how so much of our spendy mission data
got lost and/or tossed out with the garbage.
Once those mostly robotic TBMs get us a km underground, such as within
solar, cosmic and lunar secondary gamma and X-rays, nor anything
related to their portion of time spent within parts of those Van Allen
belts, especially since the exit and return phase wasn’t nearly polar
enough to avoid some of that higher dosage.
Of course there’s still no objective instrumentation data pertaining
to the hard science of those Apollo missions, other than having to
take their interpretation as the one and only last word on
everything. It’s kind of funny how so much of our spendy mission data
got lost and/or tossed out with the garbage.
our physically dark and otherwise paramagnetic basalt tough (nearly
carbonado worthy) moon, is where the outside environment doesn’t
count. We should even be relatively safe and cozy at 0.1 km depth.
Brad Guth
Feb 10, 2012, 6:17:52 PM2/10/12
to
Our trusty old moon is perhaps a little more complex and exoplanet
worthy than we’re giving it credit, as well as the adopted or recently
created planet Venus just doesn’t seem to fit very well either, but
none the less it too has a lot going for itself.
It’s certainly not that a very large number of other planets,
planetoids, moons and asteroids haven’t existed before our solar
system was even a twinkle in the eye of god, nor is it even remotely
created and/or released to wander about since our sun and its planets
only took shape as our solar system as of 4.5 billion some odd years
ago, with perhaps another 6 billion years to go before our sun runs
low on hydrogen and turns into yet another white dwarf that can’t hold
onto most of its original planets plus otherwise eats a few nearby
planets in the process (in our case of Mercury and Venus are most
certain to become star poop, although Venus with its highly protective
atmosphere could stand a chance and Earth may survive as a lifeless
hulk, along with other planets sent packing to fend for themselves).
The extremely nearby and seemingly newish planet Venus (passing a
little over 100 LD every 19 months) is perhaps offering us the
ultimate metallicity mother-lode, not that our metallicity saturated
moon and its inverse density interior that’s safely sequestered below
its extremely thick and tough crust is exactly mineral deficient, nor
is that moon offering any surface of merely inert matter that’s so
highly reflective and monochromatic as typically depicted by most of
those NASA/Apollo and Kodak film recoded images, suggesting a mostly
monochromatic soft eroded terrain of pastel grays with no hint of
anything the least bit physically dark, paramagnetic or even
diamagnetic metallicity worthy, nor offering anything the least bit UV
reactive or much less anti-cathode worthy, such as platinum, cobalt,
its extremely thick and tough crust is exactly mineral deficient, nor
is that moon offering any surface of merely inert matter that’s so
highly reflective and monochromatic as typically depicted by most of
those NASA/Apollo and Kodak film recoded images, suggesting a mostly
monochromatic soft eroded terrain of pastel grays with no hint of
anything the least bit physically dark, paramagnetic or even
diamagnetic metallicity worthy, nor offering anything the least bit UV
nickel, iron, titanium and many other heavy elements that according to
old and recent gamma spectrometry includes elements of thorium and
uranium, which means there also has to be radium. However, by way of
a few others besides myself interpreting the best available science,
it’s perfectly apparent that such off-world metallicity is there and
simply offering us the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly
profitable metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment
plus extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be
running out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe
options, not to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus
genetic trauma that’s causing DNA mutations by existing methods that
can be directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon extractions,
various processing activities and certain methods of forced
cultivation and product distributions for our use and consumption, in
order to sustain the mainstream status quo that is supposedly never
the least bit responsible for anything bad that ever happens.
Assuming our sun is perfectly good to go for billions of years (as
well as assuming global warming is purely imaginary because of the
old and recent gamma spectrometry includes elements of thorium and
uranium, which means there also has to be radium. However, by way of
a few others besides myself interpreting the best available science,
it’s perfectly apparent that such off-world metallicity is there and
simply offering us the next great future gold-rush x 1000, as a highly
profitable metallicity prosperity era providing darn good employment
plus extremely valuable resources that our planet as is seems to be
running out of affordable and much less environmentally failsafe
options, not to mention the past and ongoing environmental plus
genetic trauma that’s causing DNA mutations by existing methods that
can be directly linked to existing mining, hydrocarbon extractions,
various processing activities and certain methods of forced
cultivation and product distributions for our use and consumption, in
order to sustain the mainstream status quo that is supposedly never
the least bit responsible for anything bad that ever happens.
Assuming our sun is perfectly good to go for billions of years (as
imaginary ice-age we’re supposedly settling into), our planet Earth
isn’t going to implode on us, the moon isn’t ever going to fall back
on us, Sirius will manage to miss us by a good light year (except our
dueling Oort clouds should rather badly interact), and that our
current or future leaders are not going to artificially allow or cause
WW3 or any other social/political nasty events to happen (oops, too
late on that one), nor that our terrestrial cache of valuable
metallicity of common and rare metals, minerals, hydrocarbons, fresh
water and our vast global biodiversity are never going to get depleted
or become too toxic past the point of no return (oops, too late on
water and our vast global biodiversity are never going to get depleted
that one as well), whereas the only valid reason for going off-world
is simply for the greater job security as well as fun, profits and
affording less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment that seems
to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that our planet
has to accommodate billions more of us humans on their way, plus
coping with increasing disparity along with our escalating GW/AGW
factor that’s compromising virtually everything we know and supposedly
cherish about our overpopulated planet as is.
Therefore, regardless of the initial cost for going off-world being
affording less terrestrial trauma to our frail environment that seems
to be in great need of salvaging as is, not to mention that our planet
has to accommodate billions more of us humans on their way, plus
coping with increasing disparity along with our escalating GW/AGW
factor that’s compromising virtually everything we know and supposedly
cherish about our overpopulated planet as is.
none too cheap, still shouldn’t be such a bad thing, especially when
our trusty moon and the extremely nearby planet Venus are each so
locally accessible, and even our NASA/Apollo era having proven how
downright passive and oddly inert our moon was to safely land upon and
spend lots of time out and about without any fears of excessive
radiation, thermal shock or much other physical risk from passing or
locally accessible, and even our NASA/Apollo era having proven how
downright passive and oddly inert our moon was to safely land upon and
spend lots of time out and about without any fears of excessive
impacting debris. In other words, compared to the use of modern-day
terrestrial stuff, the fairly primitive applied technology for those
Apollo fly-by-rocket landers plus having safely accommodated humans
and their exposure sensitive Kodak film was apparently more than good
enough proof, even though that naked moon offered no magnetosphere as
defending against those fast arriving protons, neutrons, electrons as
well as X-rays and cosmic gamma were each and collectively non-issues,
plus oddly the surface of our moon wasn’t even the least bit
physically dark nor otherwise anticathode worthy (almost as though
they’d unknowingly landed upon an isolated guano/phosphate island that
was easily sculpted and landscaped to look kind of smooth and
monochromatic moon like).
Unlike the colorblind and rather oddly extremely dynamic range kind of
enough proof, even though that naked moon offered no magnetosphere as
defending against those fast arriving protons, neutrons, electrons as
well as X-rays and cosmic gamma were each and collectively non-issues,
plus oddly the surface of our moon wasn’t even the least bit
physically dark nor otherwise anticathode worthy (almost as though
they’d unknowingly landed upon an isolated guano/phosphate island that
was easily sculpted and landscaped to look kind of smooth and
monochromatic moon like).
photographic dysfunctional NASA/Apollo era, whereas any physically
dark item such as coal reflects as a near white/off-white or looking
as a monochromatic spectrum of pastel grays when viewed from Earth,
even though amateurs photographing our physically dark moon via narrow
bandpass optical filters manage to obtain whatever those otherwise
naturally faint or subdued surface mineral colors/hues of the various
metallicity elements that can be easily recorded as scientific
eyecandy when simply given sufficient color saturation. This improved
dark item such as coal reflects as a near white/off-white or looking
as a monochromatic spectrum of pastel grays when viewed from Earth,
even though amateurs photographing our physically dark moon via narrow
bandpass optical filters manage to obtain whatever those otherwise
naturally faint or subdued surface mineral colors/hues of the various
metallicity elements that can be easily recorded as scientific
color dynamic range method is actually not introducing false or much
less using artificially assigned colors or much less having to fake
mineral hues, because all of those mineral colors or secondary UV
fluorescent hues are actually depicted as true to their visual and UV
secondary/recoil of their natural reflective visual spectrum, as
fluorescent hues are actually depicted as true to their visual and UV
offering a method for interpreting whatever UV plus natural
illuminated elements of physical darkness should represent.
Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
color bandwidth sensitivity with terrific range above and below the
illuminated elements of physical darkness should represent.
Of course, nowadays with thermally stabilized CCD imagers having at
east 4 db or sixteen fold better dynamic range than film, plus added
Brad Guth
Feb 10, 2012, 6:29:30 PM2/10/12
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Off-world metallicity isn’t just about going after bling and precious
metals, because there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides
clear/white diamonds or even black carbonado diamonds and the likes of
shouldn’t be all that unlikely.
What’s most valuable could be the interior space that’s so well
protected, and it’s core of geothermal energy (some of which could be
fission), plus having all the elements anyone could possibly want, to
do whatever with.
metals, because there’s a whole lot more that our world needs besides
clear/white diamonds or even black carbonado diamonds and the likes of
gold (not that either of those should be in any short supply). No
doubt our naked moon and its considerable mascons offer the likes of
cobalt(Co-60) in addition to thorium, uranium and a few other heavy
elements, such as common nickel, titanium, gold and platinum really
doubt our naked moon and its considerable mascons offer the likes of
cobalt(Co-60) in addition to thorium, uranium and a few other heavy
shouldn’t be all that unlikely.
What’s most valuable could be the interior space that’s so well
protected, and it’s core of geothermal energy (some of which could be
fission), plus having all the elements anyone could possibly want, to
do whatever with.
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
On Feb 10, 3:09 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 10, 2012, 6:46:37 PM2/10/12
to
Just because our early NASA/Apollo era was essentially a cold-war ruse
continuation, and whatever science was at best secondary if not worse,
as well as their being dynamic range dysfunctional and colorblind, but
continuation, and whatever science was at best secondary if not worse,
certainly not unable to doctor those Kodak film recorded images by way
of dodging, burning and physically stacking in order to create their
new transparency masters that fully simulate and even equal the best
of any modern PhotoShop expertise, doesn’t mean that our moon is
actually limited as to offering only those inert pastel grays that
somehow managed to reflect their visual spectrum so much better
(roughly three times better) and with less personal as well as Kodak
film safety issues the closer they got to it, so that moon must have
of any modern PhotoShop expertise, doesn’t mean that our moon is
actually limited as to offering only those inert pastel grays that
somehow managed to reflect their visual spectrum so much better
(roughly three times better) and with less personal as well as Kodak
been acting as a radiation/neutron neutralizer (similar to reactor
control rods).
Our moon should have all of these, and then some:
“elements with a sufficiently high capture cross section for neutrons
include silver, indium and cadmium. Other elements that can be used
include boron, cobalt, hafnium, dysprosium, gadolinium, samarium,
erbium, and europium, or their alloys and compounds, e.g. high-boron
steel, silver-indium-cadmium alloy, boron carbide, zirconium diboride,
titanium diboride, hafnium diboride, gadolinium titanate, and
dysprosium titanate.”
Raw natural sunlight plus its considerable UV illumination along with
merely enhanced color saturation reveals the sorts of secondary/recoil
fluorescents of those typically dark mineral colors of our otherwise
monochromatic of pastel grays and otherwise relatively inert (lacking
any paramagnetic or diamagnetic metallicity).
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42&start=45
Some kind of future game changing is going to be absolutely imperative
if this planet of lost souls that’s starving for hydrocarbons and
other mineral resources of basic sustenance and many other essential
any paramagnetic or diamagnetic metallicity).
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42&start=45
Some kind of future game changing is going to be absolutely imperative
if this planet of lost souls that’s starving for hydrocarbons and
minerals or raw element needs is ever going to stabilize and prosper,
perhaps as intended by those having created and/or having allowed us
to use this planet. Of course certain upper caste Zionists/Jews seem
perhaps as intended by those having created and/or having allowed us
On Feb 10, 3:09 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 12, 2012, 12:14:24 AM2/12/12
to
Where should the first TBMs get deployed?
http://www.space.com/3090-moon-burps-reveal-volcanic-activity.html
That somewhat recent geology depression/sinkhole is clearly a sign
that the innards of our moon are not quite as solidified and inactive
as some have suggested. That depression might also be a good location
to deploy the first TBMs, although most any deep crater should do
rather nicely.
The average surface temperature of our physically dark moon is between
130 and 220 K, and the subjective swag as to the core temperature is
roughly 1200 K (1700 F), although its center could be as great as 1700
K or even conceivably worth a bit less than 1200 K. The inner shell
of the thick basalt crust could be as toasty as 450K (+/-50 K),
although somewhat less is more likely.
Sadly, none of our Apollo era missions accomplished anything except
superficial surface science (mostly from orbit) of no real depth or
much less basalt bedrock penetration, making this thermogradient issue
all quite speculative and swag worthy, and it seems none of this
public funded science has been independently accessible by anyone
except NASA insiders that have no apparent motivations to tell us what
they know.
http://www.space.com/3090-moon-burps-reveal-volcanic-activity.html
That somewhat recent geology depression/sinkhole is clearly a sign
that the innards of our moon are not quite as solidified and inactive
as some have suggested. That depression might also be a good location
to deploy the first TBMs, although most any deep crater should do
rather nicely.
The average surface temperature of our physically dark moon is between
130 and 220 K, and the subjective swag as to the core temperature is
roughly 1200 K (1700 F), although its center could be as great as 1700
K or even conceivably worth a bit less than 1200 K. The inner shell
of the thick basalt crust could be as toasty as 450K (+/-50 K),
although somewhat less is more likely.
Sadly, none of our Apollo era missions accomplished anything except
superficial surface science (mostly from orbit) of no real depth or
much less basalt bedrock penetration, making this thermogradient issue
all quite speculative and swag worthy, and it seems none of this
public funded science has been independently accessible by anyone
except NASA insiders that have no apparent motivations to tell us what
they know.
On Feb 10, 3:09 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 12, 2012, 12:29:11 AM2/12/12
to
Where should the first TBMs get deployed?
http://www.space.com/3090-moon-burps-reveal-volcanic-activity.html
That somewhat recent geology depression/sinkhole is clearly a sign
that the innards of our moon are not quite as solidified and inactive
as some have suggested. That depression might also be a good location
to deploy the first TBMs, although most any deep crater should do
rather nicely.
The average surface temperature of our physically dark moon is between
130 and 220 K, and the subjective swag as to the core temperature is
roughly 1200 K (1700 F), although its center could be as great as 1700
K or even conceivably worth a bit less than 1200 K. The inner shell
of the thick basalt crust could be as toasty as 450K (+/-50 K),
although somewhat less is more likely.
Sadly, none of our Apollo era missions accomplished anything except
superficial surface science (mostly from orbit) of no real depth or
much less basalt bedrock penetration, making this thermogradient issue
all quite speculative and swag worthy, and it seems none of this
public funded science has been independently accessible by anyone
except NASA insiders that have no apparent motivations to tell us what
they know.
http://www.space.com/3090-moon-burps-reveal-volcanic-activity.html
That somewhat recent geology depression/sinkhole is clearly a sign
that the innards of our moon are not quite as solidified and inactive
as some have suggested. That depression might also be a good location
to deploy the first TBMs, although most any deep crater should do
rather nicely.
The average surface temperature of our physically dark moon is between
130 and 220 K, and the subjective swag as to the core temperature is
roughly 1200 K (1700 F), although its center could be as great as 1700
K or even conceivably worth a bit less than 1200 K. The inner shell
of the thick basalt crust could be as toasty as 450K (+/-50 K),
although somewhat less is more likely.
Sadly, none of our Apollo era missions accomplished anything except
superficial surface science (mostly from orbit) of no real depth or
much less basalt bedrock penetration, making this thermogradient issue
all quite speculative and swag worthy, and it seems none of this
public funded science has been independently accessible by anyone
except NASA insiders that have no apparent motivations to tell us what
they know.
saul...@cox.net
Feb 12, 2012, 1:48:59 PM2/12/12
to
YOUR RECTUM WOULD BE A GOOD START, GOOFY!
Saul Levy
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:29:11 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Where should the first TBMs get deployed?
>
> Brad Guth, EVEN MY RECTUM IS INSANE AND FULL OF SHIT!
Saul Levy
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:29:11 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Where should the first TBMs get deployed?
>
Brad Guth
Feb 13, 2012, 12:48:07 AM2/13/12
to
Where should the first TBMs get deployed?
http://www.space.com/3090-moon-burps-reveal-volcanic-activity.html
That somewhat recent geology depression/sinkhole is clearly a sign
that the innards of our moon are not quite as solidified and inactive
as some have suggested. That depression might also be a good location
to deploy the first TBMs, although most any deep crater should do
rather nicely.
The average surface temperature of our physically dark moon is between
130 and 220 K, and the subjective swag as to the core temperature is
roughly 1200 K (1700 F), although its center could be as great as 1700
K or even conceivably worth a bit less than 1200 K. The inner shell
of the thick basalt crust could be as toasty as 450K (+/-50 K),
although somewhat less is more likely.
Sadly, none of our Apollo era missions accomplished anything except
superficial surface science (mostly from orbit) of no real depth or
much less basalt bedrock penetration, making this thermogradient issue
all quite speculative and swag worthy, and it seems none of this
public funded science has been independently accessible by anyone
except NASA insiders that have no apparent motivations to tell us what
they know.
That somewhat recent geology depression/sinkhole is clearly a sign
that the innards of our moon are not quite as solidified and inactive
as some have suggested. That depression might also be a good location
to deploy the first TBMs, although most any deep crater should do
rather nicely.
The average surface temperature of our physically dark moon is between
130 and 220 K, and the subjective swag as to the core temperature is
roughly 1200 K (1700 F), although its center could be as great as 1700
K or even conceivably worth a bit less than 1200 K. The inner shell
of the thick basalt crust could be as toasty as 450K (+/-50 K),
although somewhat less is more likely.
Sadly, none of our Apollo era missions accomplished anything except
superficial surface science (mostly from orbit) of no real depth or
much less basalt bedrock penetration, making this thermogradient issue
all quite speculative and swag worthy, and it seems none of this
public funded science has been independently accessible by anyone
except NASA insiders that have no apparent motivations to tell us what
they know.
Off-world metallicity isn’t just about going after bling and precious
rare metals, because there’s a whole lot more that our world needs
besides clear/white diamonds or even black carbonado diamonds and the
likes of gold (not that either of those should be in any short
supply). No doubt our naked moon and its considerable mascons offer
the likes of cobalt(Co-60) in addition to thorium, uranium and a few
other heavy elements, such as common nickel, titanium, gold and
platinum really shouldn’t be all that unlikely.
However, what’s most valuable could be the interior space that’s so
likes of gold (not that either of those should be in any short
supply). No doubt our naked moon and its considerable mascons offer
the likes of cobalt(Co-60) in addition to thorium, uranium and a few
other heavy elements, such as common nickel, titanium, gold and
platinum really shouldn’t be all that unlikely.
well protected, and it’s core of geothermal energy (some of which
could be fission), plus having all the necessary elements anyone could
possibly want, to do whatever with.
Terrestrial hydrocarbons are getting in short supply, because the
fracking of deep bedrock shale in order to release natural gas is a
clinical form of our hydrocarbon desperation on steroids, though
Terrestrial hydrocarbons are getting in short supply, because the
fracking of deep bedrock shale in order to release natural gas is a
Brad Guth
Feb 13, 2012, 12:49:56 AM2/13/12
to
Our trusty old moon is perhaps a little more complex and exoplanet
worthy than we’re giving it credit, as well as the adopted or recently
created planet Venus just doesn’t seem to fit very well either, but
none the less it too has a lot of metallicity going for itself.
worthy than we’re giving it credit, as well as the adopted or recently
created planet Venus just doesn’t seem to fit very well either, but
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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Brad Guth
Feb 14, 2012, 1:20:09 AM2/14/12
to
A potential of 10:1 payoff is what our moon represents, not to mention
global stability and a renewed focus on the future of better times.
Wars can be avoided and the environment of Earth can start to recover.
global stability and a renewed focus on the future of better times.
Wars can be avoided and the environment of Earth can start to recover.
Brad Guth
Feb 14, 2012, 1:17:26 AM2/14/12
to
A potential of 10:1 payoff is what our moon represents, not to mention
global stability and a renewed focus on the future of better times.
global stability and a renewed focus on the future of better times.
On Feb 12, 9:48 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 14, 2012, 12:59:59 PM2/14/12
to
Going deep into the moon should be relatively stable. The monthly
tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or roughly ten fold deeper
than the extremely thick and fused paramagnetic basalt crust. This
active geological part of our moon is deep enough that TBMs shouldn’t
have any surprises other than encountering geode pockets of gasses and/
or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through the crust, though
conceivably abiotic hydrocarbons shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
elements that can be excavated, sorted out or processed to near 100%
purity and exported back to Earth with a minimal effort, there’s
likely pockets of gasses and fluids that should be exploited, if for
nothing other than utilizing their pockets or voids for human
habitats.
tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or roughly ten fold deeper
than the extremely thick and fused paramagnetic basalt crust. This
active geological part of our moon is deep enough that TBMs shouldn’t
have any surprises other than encountering geode pockets of gasses and/
or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through the crust, though
conceivably abiotic hydrocarbons shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
elements that can be excavated, sorted out or processed to near 100%
purity and exported back to Earth with a minimal effort, there’s
likely pockets of gasses and fluids that should be exploited, if for
nothing other than utilizing their pockets or voids for human
habitats.
On Feb 12, 9:48 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 14, 2012, 3:28:35 PM2/14/12
to
The off-world metallicity payback:
Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
human habitats.
Of course even though the planet Venus is gradually cooling off, it is
going to be somewhat surface limited and not very TBM worthy, because
its geothermal innards are fairly close to the surface that’s already
capable of offering locations worth near 760 K (a good 35 K above the
average surface atmospheric temperature) as is, not to mention
multiple volcanic and gaseous vents that are literally hotter than
hell, and that’s no due to solar influx or the insulative attributes
of its mostly CO2 atmosphere plus sulfur elements that tend to
compound the active geothermal up-welling situation.
http://www.dlr.de/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-726/1206_read-12453/gallery-1/51_read-4/
4/4 “In analyzing the topographical maps of Venus, which were made in
the 1990s with radar information from the American Magellan mission,
enabled scientists to identify up to 10 000 volcanoes on Venus. Some
of the lava flows from these volcanoes stretch over hundreds of
kilometres, covering areas as large as Germany.”
”The picture shows a radar picture from the Magellan probe of the
Mylitta Fluctus region, in which solidified lava flows can be seen.
Their structure resembles that of basalt lava flows on Earth. Basalt
an igneous rock which is relatively low in silicon, is fluid as lava
at temperatures around 1000°C, and occurs regularly on the Earth – for
example in the islands of Hawaii, or on the sea bed, which constitutes
two-thirds of the Earth’s crust.”
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
elements that can be TBM excavated, sorted out or processed to near
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
100% purity and exported back to Earth with a minimal effort, there’s
likely pockets of gasses and fluids that should be exploited, if for
nothing other than utilizing their easily emptied pockets or voids for
likely pockets of gasses and fluids that should be exploited, if for
human habitats.
Of course even though the planet Venus is gradually cooling off, it is
going to be somewhat surface limited and not very TBM worthy, because
its geothermal innards are fairly close to the surface that’s already
capable of offering locations worth near 760 K (a good 35 K above the
average surface atmospheric temperature) as is, not to mention
multiple volcanic and gaseous vents that are literally hotter than
hell, and that’s no due to solar influx or the insulative attributes
of its mostly CO2 atmosphere plus sulfur elements that tend to
compound the active geothermal up-welling situation.
http://www.dlr.de/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-726/1206_read-12453/gallery-1/51_read-4/
4/4 “In analyzing the topographical maps of Venus, which were made in
the 1990s with radar information from the American Magellan mission,
enabled scientists to identify up to 10 000 volcanoes on Venus. Some
of the lava flows from these volcanoes stretch over hundreds of
kilometres, covering areas as large as Germany.”
”The picture shows a radar picture from the Magellan probe of the
Mylitta Fluctus region, in which solidified lava flows can be seen.
Their structure resembles that of basalt lava flows on Earth. Basalt
an igneous rock which is relatively low in silicon, is fluid as lava
at temperatures around 1000°C, and occurs regularly on the Earth – for
example in the islands of Hawaii, or on the sea bed, which constitutes
two-thirds of the Earth’s crust.”
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
http://translate.google.com/#
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On Feb 12, 9:48 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 14, 2012, 9:28:47 PM2/14/12
to
On Feb 13, 11:42 pm, John Gogo <jfgog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: You have to look at the natural order of things. 150 years ago we
: were not talking about moon travel because we hadn't even learned
how
: to fly. Now that we have these ass-kicking engines- and the fact
that
: the Apollo had achieved so much- we are now at a stage to simply
fill
: in our own blank. In other words, the next stage is obvious not
: mysterious.
I’d have to agree, although our NASA/Apollo era still has way more
than its fair share of secrets and hocus-pocus than Harry Houdini.
The new and improved Saturn-V could easily deploy double the payload,
and those monsters could be mass produced by China and India at 10% of
what it would otherwise cost us.
Investing a hundred billion per month is going to represent at least
100 million steady jobs, and perhaps at least a fourth of those as
higher paying jobs could be American, another fourth as ESA and
Russian jobs and roughly half as provided via China and India.
In other words, it’s a solid offworld kind of win-win for everything
and everyone. In 20 some odd months of spending like drunken sailors,
we’d have our moon base of TBMs and processing operations up and
running, along with lots of other associated stuff taking place and
only a very bright future of prosperity plus salvaging our global
environment at the same time. Where’s the down side?
On Feb 14, 12:28 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The off-world metallicity payback:
> Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
> environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
> roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
> paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
> carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
> that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
> pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
> the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
> shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
> http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-...
> The off-world metallicity payback:
> Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
> environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
> roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
> paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
> carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
> that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
> pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
> the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
> shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
> http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
>
> So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
> elements that can be TBM excavated, sorted out or processed to near
> 100% purity and exported back to Earth with a minimal effort, there’s
> likely pockets of gasses and fluids that should be exploited, if for
> nothing other than utilizing their easily emptied pockets or voids for
> human habitats.
>
> Of course even though the planet Venus is gradually cooling off, it is
> going to be somewhat surface limited and not very TBM worthy, because
> its geothermal innards are fairly close to the surface that’s already
> capable of offering locations worth near 760 K (a good 35 K above the
> average surface atmospheric temperature) as is, not to mention
> multiple volcanic and gaseous vents that are literally hotter than
> hell, and that’s no due to solar influx or the insulative attributes
> of its mostly CO2 atmosphere plus sulfur elements that tend to
> compound the active geothermal up-welling situation.
> http://www.dlr.de/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-726/1206_read-12453/ga...
> http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
>
> So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
> elements that can be TBM excavated, sorted out or processed to near
> 100% purity and exported back to Earth with a minimal effort, there’s
> likely pockets of gasses and fluids that should be exploited, if for
> nothing other than utilizing their easily emptied pockets or voids for
> human habitats.
>
> Of course even though the planet Venus is gradually cooling off, it is
> going to be somewhat surface limited and not very TBM worthy, because
> its geothermal innards are fairly close to the surface that’s already
> capable of offering locations worth near 760 K (a good 35 K above the
> average surface atmospheric temperature) as is, not to mention
> multiple volcanic and gaseous vents that are literally hotter than
> hell, and that’s no due to solar influx or the insulative attributes
> of its mostly CO2 atmosphere plus sulfur elements that tend to
> compound the active geothermal up-welling situation.
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Brad Guth
Feb 14, 2012, 10:14:18 PM2/14/12
to
On Feb 14, 6:45 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
to
: be all that good. You could make more at McDonald's.
>
> <snip usual Guthspew>
>
Who the hell would ever hire a certified ZNR and serial redneck FUD-
master like yourself Fred J. McCall, especially when better educated
and experienced folks from China and India would gladly accept 10% as
much, as well as not only outperforming but would not have any motives
to lie. However, if you can prove your worth, some of the best will
be getting paid ten grand per month (plus terrific benefits).
Btw; extremely high-tech products are manufactured at less than $300/
month with zero benefits as is.
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I’d have to agree, although our NASA/Apollo era still has way more
> >than its fair share of secrets and hocus-pocus than Harry Houdini.
>
: Hogwash!
>
> >I’d have to agree, although our NASA/Apollo era still has way more
> >than its fair share of secrets and hocus-pocus than Harry Houdini.
>
>
>
>
> >The new and improved Saturn-V could easily deploy double the payload,
>
: Poppycock!
>
>
> >The new and improved Saturn-V could easily deploy double the payload,
>
>
> >and those monsters could be mass produced by China and India at 10% of
> >what it would otherwise cost us.
>
> >Investing a hundred billion per month is going to represent at least
> >100 million steady jobs, and perhaps at least a fourth of those as
> >higher paying jobs could be American, another fourth as ESA and
> >Russian jobs and roughly half as provided via China and India.
>
: Do the math. I wouldn't consider a job that pays 3 figures a month
> >and those monsters could be mass produced by China and India at 10% of
> >what it would otherwise cost us.
>
> >Investing a hundred billion per month is going to represent at least
> >100 million steady jobs, and perhaps at least a fourth of those as
> >higher paying jobs could be American, another fourth as ESA and
> >Russian jobs and roughly half as provided via China and India.
>
to
: be all that good. You could make more at McDonald's.
>
> <snip usual Guthspew>
>
Who the hell would ever hire a certified ZNR and serial redneck FUD-
master like yourself Fred J. McCall, especially when better educated
and experienced folks from China and India would gladly accept 10% as
much, as well as not only outperforming but would not have any motives
to lie. However, if you can prove your worth, some of the best will
be getting paid ten grand per month (plus terrific benefits).
Btw; extremely high-tech products are manufactured at less than $300/
month with zero benefits as is.
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Feb 15, 2012, 12:57:33 AM2/15/12
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 14, 6:45 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> >> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >I’d have to agree, although our NASA/Apollo era still has way more
> >> >than its fair share of secrets and hocus-pocus than Harry Houdini.
>
> >: Hogwash!
>
> >> >The new and improved Saturn-V could easily deploy double the payload,
>
> >: Poppycock!
>
> >> >and those monsters could be mass produced by China and India at 10% of
> >> >what it would otherwise cost us.
>
> >> >Investing a hundred billion per month is going to represent at least
> >> >100 million steady jobs, and perhaps at least a fourth of those as
> >> >higher paying jobs could be American, another fourth as ESA and
> >> >Russian jobs and roughly half as provided via China and India.
>
> >: Do the math. I wouldn't consider a job that pays 3 figures a month to
> >: be all that good. You could make more at McDonald's.
>
> >> <snip usual Guthspew>
>
> >Who the hell would ever hire a certified ZNR and serial redneck FUD-
> >master ...
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 14, 6:45 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> >> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >I’d have to agree, although our NASA/Apollo era still has way more
> >> >than its fair share of secrets and hocus-pocus than Harry Houdini.
>
> >: Hogwash!
>
> >> >The new and improved Saturn-V could easily deploy double the payload,
>
> >: Poppycock!
>
> >> >and those monsters could be mass produced by China and India at 10% of
> >> >what it would otherwise cost us.
>
> >> >Investing a hundred billion per month is going to represent at least
> >> >100 million steady jobs, and perhaps at least a fourth of those as
> >> >higher paying jobs could be American, another fourth as ESA and
> >> >Russian jobs and roughly half as provided via China and India.
>
> >: Do the math. I wouldn't consider a job that pays 3 figures a month to
> >: be all that good. You could make more at McDonald's.
>
> >> <snip usual Guthspew>
>
> >Who the hell would ever hire a certified ZNR and serial redneck FUD-
>
> Thanks for the further demonstration of just what a delusional twat
> you are.
Honest, perfectly is what a twat I are.
>
> >... like yourself Fred J. McCall, especially when better educated
> >and experienced folks from China and India would gladly accept 10% as
> >much, ...
>
> Average annual income in China is around $14,000. Engineers make more
> like $25,000+. In India they make less. The average income is around
> $8,000, with engineers being at $12,000+.
>
> Oh, and they're neither better educated nor more experience than I am.
That's not setting the bar terribly high.
>
>
> >... as well as not only outperforming but would not have any motives
> >to lie. However, if you can prove your worth, some of the best will
> >be getting paid ten grand per month (plus terrific benefits).
>
> >Btw; extremely high-tech products are manufactured at less than $300/
> >month with zero benefits as is.
>
> Well, you go take that job, Guthball. I'll stick with the one I have,
> >be getting paid ten grand per month (plus terrific benefits).
>
> >Btw; extremely high-tech products are manufactured at less than $300/
> >month with zero benefits as is.
>
> thanks anyway.
You don't seem to realize the global austerity measures taking place
because of the corrupted global economy and its growing disparity that
your kind created.
Computers and robotics do the R&D work of more than a hundred fold of
what used to require redneck idiots like yourself. Assembly workers
are currently getting as little as $3/day in China (roughly $11,000/
year based upon 12 hours/day, 6 days per week, 51 weeks per year), and
assembling rockets is noting more complicated.
Thus far, you have demonstrated no special expertise, other than FUD-
master expertise.
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bob haller
Feb 15, 2012, 8:28:45 AM2/15/12
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> >... like yourself Fred J. McCall, especially when better educated
> >and experienced folks from China and India would gladly accept 10% as
> >much, ...
>
> Average annual income in China is around $14,000. Engineers make more
> like $25,000+. In India they make less. The average income is around
> $8,000, with engineers being at $12,000+.
>
> Oh, and they're neither better educated nor more experience than I am.
>
>
>
> >... as well as not only outperforming but would not have any motives
>
> Average annual income in China is around $14,000. Engineers make more
> like $25,000+. In India they make less. The average income is around
> $8,000, with engineers being at $12,000+.
>
> Oh, and they're neither better educated nor more experience than I am.
>
>
>
> >to lie. However, if you can prove your worth, some of the best will
> >be getting paid ten grand per month (plus terrific benefits).
>
> >Btw; extremely high-tech products are manufactured at less than $300/
> >month with zero benefits as is.
>
> >be getting paid ten grand per month (plus terrific benefits).
>
> >Btw; extremely high-tech products are manufactured at less than $300/
> >month with zero benefits as is.
>
> Well, you go take that job, Guthball. I'll stick with the one I have,
> thanks anyway.
>
hey lets outsource freds job to china....:)
> thanks anyway.
>
Brad Guth
Feb 15, 2012, 9:24:09 AM2/15/12
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other than his cyber topic/author stalking and trashing of us here in
Usenet/newsgroups. Fred would not last terribly long in a Chinese
cyber-internet sweatshop of such long hours and 6 days a week with no
benefits or much less paid time off. Of course there's basic food,
water and minimal housing that's a given that'll make the $300/month
seem as not quite so bad, and with long hours, zero mistakes and some
luck of not going batshit crazy, our Fred could work his way up to
earning $1000/month as chief cyberhack.
Global austerity is actually a good thing for improving his policy of
social/political disparity, in that the rich and powerful get richer
and more powerful, and that's what keeps our Fred going day and
night. The good news is that China doesn't have a minimum wage, so
Fred might set the bar really low to begin with, and that would only
piss off all the other workers that'll get paid less because Fred is
so worthless.
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Brad Guth
Feb 15, 2012, 9:27:11 AM2/15/12
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>
>
>
> >> >... like yourself Fred J. McCall, especially when better educated
> >> >and experienced folks from China and India would gladly accept 10% as
> >> >much, ...
>
> >> Average annual income in China is around $14,000. Engineers make more
> >> like $25,000+. In India they make less. The average income is around
> >> $8,000, with engineers being at $12,000+.
>
> >> Oh, and they're neither better educated nor more experience than I am.
>
> >That's not setting the bar terribly high.
>
> But high enough that they want me to keep my job.
>
>
> >> >... like yourself Fred J. McCall, especially when better educated
> >> >and experienced folks from China and India would gladly accept 10% as
> >> >much, ...
>
> >> Average annual income in China is around $14,000. Engineers make more
> >> like $25,000+. In India they make less. The average income is around
> >> $8,000, with engineers being at $12,000+.
>
> >> Oh, and they're neither better educated nor more experience than I am.
>
> >That's not setting the bar terribly high.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >... as well as not only outperforming but would not have any motives
> >> >to lie. However, if you can prove your worth, some of the best will
> >> >be getting paid ten grand per month (plus terrific benefits).
>
> >> >Btw; extremely high-tech products are manufactured at less than $300/
> >> >month with zero benefits as is.
>
> >> Well, you go take that job, Guthball. I'll stick with the one I have,
> >> thanks anyway.
>
> >You don't seem to realize the global austerity measures taking place
> >because of the corrupted global economy and its growing disparity that
> >your kind created.
>
> You don't seem to realize there is a difference between your delusions
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >... as well as not only outperforming but would not have any motives
> >> >to lie. However, if you can prove your worth, some of the best will
> >> >be getting paid ten grand per month (plus terrific benefits).
>
> >> >Btw; extremely high-tech products are manufactured at less than $300/
> >> >month with zero benefits as is.
>
> >> Well, you go take that job, Guthball. I'll stick with the one I have,
> >> thanks anyway.
>
> >You don't seem to realize the global austerity measures taking place
> >because of the corrupted global economy and its growing disparity that
> >your kind created.
>
> and everyone else's reality.
>
>
>
> >Computers and robotics do the R&D work of more than a hundred fold of
> >what used to require redneck idiots like yourself.
>
> Computers and robotics don't "do the R&D work", you clueless git.
>
>
> >Computers and robotics do the R&D work of more than a hundred fold of
> >what used to require redneck idiots like yourself.
>
> That's the place where you still need skilled and knowledgeable
> people.
>
>
>
> >Assembly workers
>
> I'm not an assembly worker and you don't have the skills to become
> one.
>
>
>
> >are currently getting as little as $3/day in China (roughly $11,000/
> >year based upon 12 hours/day, 6 days per week, 51 weeks per year), and
> >assembling rockets is noting more complicated.
>
> Well, yeah, it sort of is.
>
>
> >are currently getting as little as $3/day in China (roughly $11,000/
> >year based upon 12 hours/day, 6 days per week, 51 weeks per year), and
> >assembling rockets is noting more complicated.
>
>
>
>
> >Thus far, you have demonstrated no special expertise, other than FUD-
> >master expertise.
>
> You mean you're still clueless and have all the perception of a brick
>
>
> >Thus far, you have demonstrated no special expertise, other than FUD-
> >master expertise.
>
> or a rock.
>
> Hint: I work as engineering staff for a big aerospace company.
Hint No.2, if any "aerospace company" that I know of had an individual
doing what you do, it wouldn't last very long. Of course Semites
never police their own FUD-master kind, so you're good to go.
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Feb 15, 2012, 9:53:33 AM2/15/12
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>
> Poor batshit Guthball, with his paranoid delusions of 'ZNR'
> conspiracies and 'FUD-master' domination...
Your typical off-topic rant is noted. Seems kind of odd that such an
"aerospace" employed person is so dumbfounded about off-world
metallicity. I guess that's why Fred's aerospace industry is in the
toilet.
Brad Guth
Feb 15, 2012, 9:57:55 AM2/15/12
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On Feb 15, 6:42 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Of course there's basic food,
> >water and minimal housing that's a given that'll make the $300/month
> >seem as not quite so bad, and with long hours, zero mistakes and some
> >luck of not going batshit crazy,
>
> Is that your claim for why you are like you are; insufficient luck?
> >water and minimal housing that's a given that'll make the $300/month
> >seem as not quite so bad, and with long hours, zero mistakes and some
> >luck of not going batshit crazy,
>
>
> --
> "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
> only stupid."
> -- Heinrich Heine
Gosh, got your attention and a reply. You must be having another slow
day at the cybershack aerospace agency that's actually dumb or
desperate enough to hire a FUD-master like yourself.
Brad Guth
Feb 15, 2012, 10:03:42 AM2/15/12
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On Feb 15, 5:28 am, bob haller <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
TBM on the moon.
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Brad Guth
Feb 15, 2012, 10:10:35 AM2/15/12
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On Feb 15, 7:05 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 15, 6:46 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Hint No.2, if any "aerospace company" that I know of had an individual
> >> >doing what you do, it wouldn't last very long. Of course Semites
> >> >never police their own FUD-master kind, so you're good to go.
>
> >> So your insanity doesn't include any aerospace companies, either?
>
> >> Poor batshit Guthball, with his paranoid delusions of 'ZNR'
> >> conspiracies and 'FUD-master' domination...
>
> >Your typical off-topic rant is noted. Seems kind of odd that such an
> >"aerospace" employed person is so dumbfounded about off-world
> >metallicity.
>
> Hint: 'Metallicity' isn't a word. Neither is 'spendy'.
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 15, 6:46 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Hint No.2, if any "aerospace company" that I know of had an individual
> >> >doing what you do, it wouldn't last very long. Of course Semites
> >> >never police their own FUD-master kind, so you're good to go.
>
> >> So your insanity doesn't include any aerospace companies, either?
>
> >> Poor batshit Guthball, with his paranoid delusions of 'ZNR'
> >> conspiracies and 'FUD-master' domination...
>
> >Your typical off-topic rant is noted. Seems kind of odd that such an
> >"aerospace" employed person is so dumbfounded about off-world
> >metallicity.
>
>
> Hint: I never responded to any of your various 'metallicity' loon
> rants, so it's a bit of a stretch to claim I'm 'dumbfounded'. What I
> am is continually astonished that someone as insane as you apparently
> are being allowed access to a computer.
>
> Hint: When you're cross posting to alt.news-media and alt.journalism,
> as you are, just what is 'off-topic'?
>
> Hint: You rant. I ridicule screw-loose idiots like you, because
> everywhere you crosspost to should know as soon as possible just what
> a batshit loony you are. So, when you post in front of me and
> crosspost elsewhere, I poke you to get you to spew like the Guthball
> you are and demonstrate for one and all that not only doesn't your
> elevator go all the way to the top, but the elevator car is missing
> and all you have is an empty shaft full of insects and rodents.
>
>
>
> > I guess that's why Fred's aerospace industry is in the
> >toilet.
>
> You really are quite clueless about reality, aren't you?
>
>
> > I guess that's why Fred's aerospace industry is in the
> >toilet.
>
In other words, little old me makes a FUD-master like yourself jump.
Your oligarch bosses must be so proud of you.
saul...@cox.net
Feb 15, 2012, 12:24:45 PM2/15/12
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METALLICITY SURE IS A WORD, Fred! ASTRONOMERS USE IT ALL THE TIME!
SPENDY IS JUST PURE GOOFBALL!
SEE:
Metallicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Populations III,...|Calculation|Population I...|Population II...
In astronomy and physical cosmology, the metallicity (also called Z)
of an object is the proportion of its matter made up of chemical
elements other than hydrogen and ...
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metallicity - The Worlds of David Darling
A measure of the proportion of "heavy elements" or "metals" (in
astronomy, elements heavier than hydrogen or helium) that a star
contains.
www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/M/metallicity.html - Cached
What is Metallicity? - wiseGEEK: clear answers for common ...
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is a term used in astronomy to refer to the proportion of matter in a
star made of elements ...
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Metallicity: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article
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of an object is the proportion of its matter made up of chemical
element. s other than hydrogen
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relevance in astrophysics.
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the proportion of its matter ma
space.wikia.com/wiki/Metallicity - Cached
Metallicity - Definition | WordIQ.com - Dictionary ...
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Metallicity - eNotes.com Reference
In astronomy and physical cosmology, the metallicity of an object is
the proportion of its matter made up of chemical elements other than
hydrogen and helium.
www.enotes.com/topic/Metallicity - Cached
Metallicity, planet formation, and disc lifetimes | Mendeley
(2009) Ercolano, Clarke. Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical
Society. Read by researchers in: 100% Astronomy / Astrophysics / Space
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Metallicity - PediaView.com Open Source Encyclopedia Supplement
In astronomy and physical cosmology, the metallicity (also called Z
[1]) of an object is the proportion of its matter made up of chemical
elements other than hydrogen ...
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Saul Levy
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:05:58 -0700, Fred J. McCall
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
SPENDY IS JUST PURE GOOFBALL!
SEE:
Metallicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Populations III,...|Calculation|Population I...|Population II...
In astronomy and physical cosmology, the metallicity (also called Z)
of an object is the proportion of its matter made up of chemical
elements other than hydrogen and ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallicity - Cached
More results from en.wikipedia.org »
metallicity - The Worlds of David Darling
A measure of the proportion of "heavy elements" or "metals" (in
astronomy, elements heavier than hydrogen or helium) that a star
contains.
www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/M/metallicity.html - Cached
What is Metallicity? - wiseGEEK: clear answers for common ...
Brief and Straightforward Guide: What is Metallicity? ... Metallicity
is a term used in astronomy to refer to the proportion of matter in a
star made of elements ...
www.wisegeek.com/what-is-metallicity.htm - Cached
More results from wisegeek.com »
Metallicity: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article
In astronomy. and physical cosmology, the metallicity (also called Z)
of an object is the proportion of its matter made up of chemical
element. s other than hydrogen
www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Metallicity - Cached
More results from absoluteastronomy.com »
Talk:Metallicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Corrected a...|Biggest star that...|Merger from...|Population 0...
Links from this article with broken #section links (check): [[Sloan
Digital Sky Survey#SDSS-II |SDSS-II]] "regular chemistry has almost no
relevance in astrophysics.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Metallicity - Cached
Metallicity - Space Wiki
In astronomy and physical cosmology, the metallicity of an object is
the proportion of its matter ma
space.wikia.com/wiki/Metallicity - Cached
Metallicity - Definition | WordIQ.com - Dictionary ...
In astronomy, the metallicity of an object is the proportion of its
matter made up of elements other than hydrogen and helium. All heavier
elements are described in ...
www.wordiq.com/definition/Metallicity - Cached
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Metallicity - eNotes.com Reference
In astronomy and physical cosmology, the metallicity of an object is
the proportion of its matter made up of chemical elements other than
hydrogen and helium.
www.enotes.com/topic/Metallicity - Cached
Metallicity, planet formation, and disc lifetimes | Mendeley
(2009) Ercolano, Clarke. Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical
Society. Read by researchers in: 100% Astronomy / Astrophysics / Space
Science. The formation of ...
www.mendeley.com/research/metallicity-planet-formation... - Cached
Metallicity - PediaView.com Open Source Encyclopedia Supplement
In astronomy and physical cosmology, the metallicity (also called Z
[1]) of an object is the proportion of its matter made up of chemical
elements other than hydrogen ...
pediaview.com/openpedia/Metallicity - Cached
Saul Levy
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:05:58 -0700, Fred J. McCall
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
Brad Guth
Feb 15, 2012, 3:03:15 PM2/15/12
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On Feb 13, 11:42 pm, John Gogo <jfgog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: You have to look at the natural order of things. 150 years ago we
: were not talking about moon travel because we hadn't even learned
: how to fly. Now that we have these ass-kicking engines- and the
: fact that the Apollo had achieved so much- we are now at a stage
: to simply fill in our own blank. In other words, the next stage is
: obvious not mysterious.
: You have to look at the natural order of things. 150 years ago we
: were not talking about moon travel because we hadn't even learned
: how to fly. Now that we have these ass-kicking engines- and the
: fact that the Apollo had achieved so much- we are now at a stage
: to simply fill in our own blank. In other words, the next stage is
: obvious not mysterious.
I’d have to agree, although our NASA/Apollo era still has way more
than its fair share of secrets and hocus-pocus than Harry Houdini.
than its fair share of secrets and hocus-pocus than Harry Houdini.
The new and improved Saturn-V could easily deploy double the payload,
and those monsters could be mass produced by China and India at 10% of
what it would otherwise cost us. Assembled and launched from the
equatorial benefit would in of itself improve payload capability, and
since most of the missions would be robotic flown is what gives
another enormous payload advantage because fewer failsafe backups are
necessary.
Investing a hundred billion per month is going to represent at least
100 million steady jobs, and perhaps at least a fourth of those as
and Russian, and roughly half as provided via China and India.
In other words, it’s a solid offworld kind of win-win for everything
and everyone. In 20 some odd months of spending like drunken sailors,
we’d have our moon base of TBMs and processing operations up and
running, along with lots of other associated stuff taking place and
frail environment at the same time. Where’s the down side?
We could start this off with delivering a 60 tonne pilot TBM. A small
scale operation of perhaps not more than 4 meter diameter capability
that's mostly telerobotic, which could tunnel into the relative
habitat safety of a hollow rill within a very short period of time.
Such remote excavations of the TBM spoils and the necessary inflated
airlock also shouldn't be all that insurmountable if you can believe
half of what our NASA/Apollo era had to show and say about our passive
inert moon.
The initial TBM setup and servicing well be problematic and spendy as
hell, but otherwise essential for accommodating future crews to manage
each mission without unnecessary risks.
On Feb 14, 12:28 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The off-world metallicity payback:
> Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
> environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
> roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
> paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
> carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
> that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
> pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
> the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
> shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
> http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-...
> The off-world metallicity payback:
> Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
> environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
> roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
> paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
> carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
> that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
> pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
> the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
> shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
> http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
>
> So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
> elements that can be TBM excavated, sorted out or processed to near
> 100% purity and exported back to Earth with a minimal effort, there’s
> likely pockets of gasses and fluids that should be exploited, if for
> nothing other than utilizing their easily emptied pockets or voids for
> human habitats.
>
> Of course even though the planet Venus is gradually cooling off, it is
> going to be somewhat surface limited and not very TBM worthy, because
> its geothermal innards are fairly close to the surface that’s already
> capable of offering locations worth near 760 K (a good 35 K above the
> average surface atmospheric temperature) as is, not to mention
> multiple volcanic and gaseous vents that are literally hotter than
> hell, and that’s no due to solar influx or the insulative attributes
> of its mostly CO2 atmosphere plus sulfur elements that tend to
> compound the active geothermal up-welling situation.
> http://www.dlr.de/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-726/1206_read-12453/ga...
> http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
>
> So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
> elements that can be TBM excavated, sorted out or processed to near
> 100% purity and exported back to Earth with a minimal effort, there’s
> likely pockets of gasses and fluids that should be exploited, if for
> nothing other than utilizing their easily emptied pockets or voids for
> human habitats.
>
> Of course even though the planet Venus is gradually cooling off, it is
> going to be somewhat surface limited and not very TBM worthy, because
> its geothermal innards are fairly close to the surface that’s already
> capable of offering locations worth near 760 K (a good 35 K above the
> average surface atmospheric temperature) as is, not to mention
> multiple volcanic and gaseous vents that are literally hotter than
> hell, and that’s no due to solar influx or the insulative attributes
> of its mostly CO2 atmosphere plus sulfur elements that tend to
> compound the active geothermal up-welling situation.
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Brad Guth
Feb 15, 2012, 11:56:58 PM2/15/12
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On Feb 15, 8:00 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 15, 6:42 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Of course there's basic food,
> >> >water and minimal housing that's a given that'll make the $300/month
> >> >seem as not quite so bad, and with long hours, zero mistakes and some
> >> >luck of not going batshit crazy,
>
> >> Is that your claim for why you are like you are; insufficient luck?
>
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 15, 6:42 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Of course there's basic food,
> >> >water and minimal housing that's a given that'll make the $300/month
> >> >seem as not quite so bad, and with long hours, zero mistakes and some
> >> >luck of not going batshit crazy,
>
> >> Is that your claim for why you are like you are; insufficient luck?
>
> >Gosh, got your attention and a reply. You must be having another slow
> >day at the cybershack aerospace agency that's actually dumb or
> >desperate enough to hire a FUD-master like yourself.
>
> All attention is not good attention, Guthball. And I do this from
> >day at the cybershack aerospace agency that's actually dumb or
> >desperate enough to hire a FUD-master like yourself.
>
> home on my own equipment using my own connection.
>
> You know, you're so bad at this that poking you to make you gibber
> rapidly loses whatever small entertainment value it might have.
So, you're always home and getting paid as though you actually have a
job.
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HVAC
Feb 16, 2012, 6:12:43 AM2/16/12
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On 2/15/2012 11:10 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Gosh, got your attention and a reply. You must be having another slow
>> day at the cybershack aerospace agency that's actually dumb or
>> desperate enough to hire a FUD-master like yourself.
>>
>
>
>>>
>>
>> Gosh, got your attention and a reply. You must be having another slow
>> day at the cybershack aerospace agency that's actually dumb or
>> desperate enough to hire a FUD-master like yourself.
>>
>
> All attention is not good attention, Guthball. And I do this from
> home on my own equipment using my own connection.
You ARE being reimbursed for these expenses, aren't you?
> home on my own equipment using my own connection.
If not, file DOD form 946A.
You can get one from your supervisor.
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Brad Guth
Feb 16, 2012, 6:25:03 AM2/16/12
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: On Feb 15, 10:19 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 15, 8:00 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> >> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 15, 8:00 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> >> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 15, 6:42 am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> >> >> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >Of course there's basic food,
> >> >> >water and minimal housing that's a given that'll make the $300/month
> >> >> >seem as not quite so bad, and with long hours, zero mistakes and some
> >> >> >luck of not going batshit crazy,
>
> >> >> Is that your claim for why you are like you are; insufficient luck?
>
> >> >Gosh, got your attention and a reply. You must be having another slow
> >> >day at the cybershack aerospace agency that's actually dumb or
> >> >desperate enough to hire a FUD-master like yourself.
>
> >> All attention is not good attention, Guthball. And I do this from
> >> home on my own equipment using my own connection.
>
> >> You know, you're so bad at this that poking you to make you gibber
> >> rapidly loses whatever small entertainment value it might have.
>
> >So, you're always home and getting paid as though you actually have a
> >job.
>
> Poor Guthball. Try again. You might want to learn to look at
> >> >> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >Of course there's basic food,
> >> >> >water and minimal housing that's a given that'll make the $300/month
> >> >> >seem as not quite so bad, and with long hours, zero mistakes and some
> >> >> >luck of not going batshit crazy,
>
> >> >> Is that your claim for why you are like you are; insufficient luck?
>
> >> >Gosh, got your attention and a reply. You must be having another slow
> >> >day at the cybershack aerospace agency that's actually dumb or
> >> >desperate enough to hire a FUD-master like yourself.
>
> >> All attention is not good attention, Guthball. And I do this from
> >> home on my own equipment using my own connection.
>
> >> You know, you're so bad at this that poking you to make you gibber
> >> rapidly loses whatever small entertainment value it might have.
>
> >So, you're always home and getting paid as though you actually have a
> >job.
>
> timestamps.
>
> And yes, at 6:42 in the morning I am usually home...
Once again, our redneck ZNR Fred is only here as an official
mainstream FUD-master in order to derail and disqualify all that
attempt to resolve world problems with better, cleaner and cheaper
energy and metallicity alternatives that'll create millions of quality
jobs and resolve many environmental issues at the same time.
Any aerospace company that hired the likes of Fred is clearly
dominated by Semites that are deeply concerned as to what some of us
outsiders have to say, because otherwise there'd be no motive or logic
in his topic/author stalking.
The moon and Venus each represent the mother-lode of valuable
metallicity, including uranium and thorium plus just about any and all
other elements one can think of. This off-world resource can be
privately exploited at an invest payback ratio of 10:1, which of
course is only going to piss off the mainstream status quo cabal that
Fred belongs to.
Brad Guth
Feb 16, 2012, 6:40:38 AM2/16/12
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Besides a slew of terrific metallicity as raw elements that can be
easily obtained from off-world locations, such as from our moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus, there are heavy elements of fission
worthy nature that would not only resolve off-world energy needs, but
easily taken home for our terrestrial energy demands, as well as He3
fusion worthy extractions from our naked moon.
There are valid alternatives to hydrocarbons, not that we need to
entirely give up on our addiction to mass consumption of using
hydrocarbons. Besides conventional wind and solar generated energy,
there’s loads of geothermal as well as unlimited solar produced
hydrogen for commercial, residential and transportation powered via
fuel cells, plus even HTP that’ll work absolute wonders along with
Mokenergy coal synfuel.
Thorium as a Secure Nuclear Fuel Alternative / Journal of Energy
Security
http://www.ensec.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=187%3athorium-as-a-secure-nuclear-fuel-alternative&catid=94:0409content&Itemid=342
“Thorium is not new technology, but rather, it is as old as the
nuclear age itself, with research ongoing since its inception. The
first nuclear reactors in America and Russia were fuelled by thorium.
It was then dismissed by policy-makers – the key reason being that the
thorium fuel cycle provides no opportunity for obtaining bomb
materials. The 21st Century is a different era than the Cold War
era. The Obama Administration has recently announced its goal to rid
the entire world of nuclear weapons while it must confront both energy
and environmental crises. Fossil fuels are expensive and experience
wildly volatile price fluctuations. Uranium is in dangerously short
supply. The world was not ready for thorium in the 1950s. Thorium
could not be more appropriate now.”
Thorium is still offering the most failsafe nuclear energy amplifier,
and it’s rather abundant, cheap to obtain, already at 100% purity as
is, and its fission process can be fully controlled on demand. Once
spent, with minimal processing it’s either reusable as is or nearly
daycare approved for sandbox use. A thorium reactor utilizing an
external proton provider can also be as large or small as you like,
because the thorium itself is a 100% pure element as is that only
requires an extra source of protons/neutrons in order to trigger Th232
into fission (“a 1000 MeV beam will create 20-30 spallation neutrons
per proton” and Th232 fission can be easily accomplished with an 800
MeV accelerator).
The element of thorium is up to 5 times more abundant than uranium,
and it’s a pure element that requires only gathering because unlike
uranium it’s 100% pure as is, thereby eliminating the spendy and risky
enrichment process that’s the exact same thing as weapons grade
processing. Thorium fuel is also known as a “Subcritical Reactor”,
because it’ll failsafe shutdown as soon as the extra source of
neutrons are removed or turned off, which is easily accomplished (the
opposite of having to rely on control rods that must absorb fission
neutrons).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subcritical_reactor
“Thorium Fueled Accelerator Driven Subcritical Reactors for Power
Generation”, whereas particle accelerators do not need to be massive
and spendy as hell.
http://energy2050.se/uploads/files/rubbia2.pdf
http://techie-buzz.com/science/miniature-particle-accelerator-thorium.html
“It’s a pocket-sized power plant, just 10 m across. A miniature
particle accelerator, small enough to be stashed away in your
basement, can be used to produce nearly unlimited amounts of nuclear
energy, in a controlled manner, using the radioactive element
thorium.”
There are other more conventional methods of sustaining Th232 fission
that do not involve the use of an accelerator, that are still more
failsafe than anything using uranium or MOX fuel, and the spent Th232
is going to be easily processed to remove those secondary produced
elements, as well as easily traced or tracked due to the gamma that
can’t be easily hidden.
However, instead of advancing our knowledge and expertise with better
alternatives to the mainstream status quo that we have been duped
into, whereas our resident newsgroup rednecks and their usual Big
Energy cabal as well as public-funded army of brown-nosed clowns,
minions and FUD-masters are of course hired and instructed to topic/
author stalk and trash or discredit anyone suggesting the better
alternatives for using thorium as reactor fuel. From K-12 on we’re
being continually duped into believing that only uranium and MOX
fueled reactors are the way to go, as we’ll as we obviously get to pay
for everything that’s at least ten fold all-inclusive greater cost
than using thorium.
Failsafe thorium reactors or problematic MOX doom and gloom reactors:
Thorium mining, processing, reactor fueling, its easily controlled
fuel burning, fuel replenishments, secondary purifying or spent fuel
filtering (on the fly as needed), including spent fuel disposal
management gets down to being practically an insignificant cost
compared to the complex and risky issues of using uranium and MOX, as
well as reactor meltdowns get easily eliminated, along with absolute
minimal environmental impacts and practically zilch worth of WMD or
terrorists issues are all way safer and cheaper to deal with, overall
entirely less problematic and about as freaking failsafe as any form
of truly clean energy gets.
Why are the mainstream ZNRs and their usual redneck army of FUD-
masters always opposed to improving energy safety as well as reducing
the average electric energy rate that customers are paying, to roughly
10% or one cent/kwhr for reliably clean and essentially renewable
energy?
Are they suggesting Earth doesn't have enough thorium, and otherwise
needs all the plutonium plus other nasty elements it can possibly get
from spent uranium and MOX?
Are they further suggesting that our national power grids simply can’t
be greatly improved and expanded?
The all inclusive (birth to grave) cost of reactors using conventional
uranium and/or MOX fueled reactors is costing us at least ten fold
more than going with thorium fueled reactors. So what the hell gives
with that?
easily obtained from off-world locations, such as from our moon and
the extremely nearby planet Venus, there are heavy elements of fission
worthy nature that would not only resolve off-world energy needs, but
easily taken home for our terrestrial energy demands, as well as He3
fusion worthy extractions from our naked moon.
There are valid alternatives to hydrocarbons, not that we need to
entirely give up on our addiction to mass consumption of using
hydrocarbons. Besides conventional wind and solar generated energy,
there’s loads of geothermal as well as unlimited solar produced
hydrogen for commercial, residential and transportation powered via
fuel cells, plus even HTP that’ll work absolute wonders along with
Mokenergy coal synfuel.
Thorium as a Secure Nuclear Fuel Alternative / Journal of Energy
Security
http://www.ensec.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=187%3athorium-as-a-secure-nuclear-fuel-alternative&catid=94:0409content&Itemid=342
“Thorium is not new technology, but rather, it is as old as the
nuclear age itself, with research ongoing since its inception. The
first nuclear reactors in America and Russia were fuelled by thorium.
It was then dismissed by policy-makers – the key reason being that the
thorium fuel cycle provides no opportunity for obtaining bomb
materials. The 21st Century is a different era than the Cold War
era. The Obama Administration has recently announced its goal to rid
the entire world of nuclear weapons while it must confront both energy
and environmental crises. Fossil fuels are expensive and experience
wildly volatile price fluctuations. Uranium is in dangerously short
supply. The world was not ready for thorium in the 1950s. Thorium
could not be more appropriate now.”
Thorium is still offering the most failsafe nuclear energy amplifier,
and it’s rather abundant, cheap to obtain, already at 100% purity as
is, and its fission process can be fully controlled on demand. Once
spent, with minimal processing it’s either reusable as is or nearly
daycare approved for sandbox use. A thorium reactor utilizing an
external proton provider can also be as large or small as you like,
because the thorium itself is a 100% pure element as is that only
requires an extra source of protons/neutrons in order to trigger Th232
into fission (“a 1000 MeV beam will create 20-30 spallation neutrons
per proton” and Th232 fission can be easily accomplished with an 800
MeV accelerator).
The element of thorium is up to 5 times more abundant than uranium,
and it’s a pure element that requires only gathering because unlike
uranium it’s 100% pure as is, thereby eliminating the spendy and risky
enrichment process that’s the exact same thing as weapons grade
processing. Thorium fuel is also known as a “Subcritical Reactor”,
because it’ll failsafe shutdown as soon as the extra source of
neutrons are removed or turned off, which is easily accomplished (the
opposite of having to rely on control rods that must absorb fission
neutrons).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subcritical_reactor
“Thorium Fueled Accelerator Driven Subcritical Reactors for Power
Generation”, whereas particle accelerators do not need to be massive
and spendy as hell.
http://energy2050.se/uploads/files/rubbia2.pdf
http://techie-buzz.com/science/miniature-particle-accelerator-thorium.html
“It’s a pocket-sized power plant, just 10 m across. A miniature
particle accelerator, small enough to be stashed away in your
basement, can be used to produce nearly unlimited amounts of nuclear
energy, in a controlled manner, using the radioactive element
thorium.”
There are other more conventional methods of sustaining Th232 fission
that do not involve the use of an accelerator, that are still more
failsafe than anything using uranium or MOX fuel, and the spent Th232
is going to be easily processed to remove those secondary produced
elements, as well as easily traced or tracked due to the gamma that
can’t be easily hidden.
However, instead of advancing our knowledge and expertise with better
alternatives to the mainstream status quo that we have been duped
into, whereas our resident newsgroup rednecks and their usual Big
Energy cabal as well as public-funded army of brown-nosed clowns,
minions and FUD-masters are of course hired and instructed to topic/
author stalk and trash or discredit anyone suggesting the better
alternatives for using thorium as reactor fuel. From K-12 on we’re
being continually duped into believing that only uranium and MOX
fueled reactors are the way to go, as we’ll as we obviously get to pay
for everything that’s at least ten fold all-inclusive greater cost
than using thorium.
Failsafe thorium reactors or problematic MOX doom and gloom reactors:
Thorium mining, processing, reactor fueling, its easily controlled
fuel burning, fuel replenishments, secondary purifying or spent fuel
filtering (on the fly as needed), including spent fuel disposal
management gets down to being practically an insignificant cost
compared to the complex and risky issues of using uranium and MOX, as
well as reactor meltdowns get easily eliminated, along with absolute
minimal environmental impacts and practically zilch worth of WMD or
terrorists issues are all way safer and cheaper to deal with, overall
entirely less problematic and about as freaking failsafe as any form
of truly clean energy gets.
Why are the mainstream ZNRs and their usual redneck army of FUD-
masters always opposed to improving energy safety as well as reducing
the average electric energy rate that customers are paying, to roughly
10% or one cent/kwhr for reliably clean and essentially renewable
energy?
Are they suggesting Earth doesn't have enough thorium, and otherwise
needs all the plutonium plus other nasty elements it can possibly get
from spent uranium and MOX?
Are they further suggesting that our national power grids simply can’t
be greatly improved and expanded?
The all inclusive (birth to grave) cost of reactors using conventional
uranium and/or MOX fueled reactors is costing us at least ten fold
more than going with thorium fueled reactors. So what the hell gives
with that?
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Feb 16, 2012, 11:01:09 AM2/16/12
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On 2/16/2012 10:29 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>
>>
>> If not, file DOD form 946A.
>> You can get one from your supervisor.
>>
>
> Why the hell would I file a DOD form? I don't work for them. Why the
>
>>
>> If not, file DOD form 946A.
>> You can get one from your supervisor.
>>
>
> hell would my supervisor have one?
Sorry, I though you were a ZNR.
Brad Guth
Feb 16, 2012, 1:25:44 PM2/16/12
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On Feb 15, 5:28 am, bob haller <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
Perhaps our cyber FUD-master Fred can tell us how to put a 600 tonne
TBM on the moon.
Actually his security related aerospace job that covers the the late
TBM on the moon.
evening and morning shift from 10:00 PM to 6:00 AM is in high demand
(because you can't trust just any old redneck), and no doubt he gets
to have a good look-see at whatever's on the tables and drawing boards
or those computer files that remained up and running.
Uncle Steve
Feb 16, 2012, 6:44:31 PM2/16/12
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you do with the competent people? I don't see any, and yet there
ought to be competent people somewhere nearby. Maybe you ate them.
But whatever the cause, this suggests that an investigation should be
undertaken immediately to discover what happened to all of the
competent people.
Sincerely,
Regards,
Uncle Steve
--
I don't even want the Charter back, as it was clearly 'used' by a big
blue dude when he ran out of toilet paper. And the Criminal Code of
Canada is of course now officially listed in Jane's Miscellaneous
Munitions under the Anti-Personnel section.
Brad Guth
Feb 16, 2012, 7:28:53 PM2/16/12
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cabals, pretend-Atheists, rednecks and FUD-masters?
All I see is a dominance of their mainstream status quo, or else.
What's your take or interpretation on the metallicity value of our
moon and the planet Venus?
What's your expertise?
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Feb 16, 2012, 11:41:07 PM2/16/12
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On Feb 16, 7:54 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Poor Guthball. Even when you tell him he can't get it right.
> Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> >Actually his security related ...
>
> Nope. Which part of 'engineering staff' was it that confused you?
>
>
>
> >... aerospace job ...
>
> Well, at least we've finally gotten you THAT far. It certainly took
> long enough for that to sink in.
>
>
>
> >... that covers the the late evening and morning shift
> >from 10:00 PM to 6:00 AM ...
>
> Wrong again. I can pretty much work whatever hours I want to, but
> they do expect me to be around and available during the normal
> workday.
>
>
>
> >... is in high demand ...
>
> High enough to be employed and relatively well paid.
>
>
>
> >(because you can't trust just any old redneck), and no doubt he gets
> >to have a good look-see at whatever's on the tables and drawing boards
> >or those computer files that remained up and running.
>
> Things aren't left around unlocked and unattended.
>
>
> >(because you can't trust just any old redneck), and no doubt he gets
> >to have a good look-see at whatever's on the tables and drawing boards
> >or those computer files that remained up and running.
>
>
> Have you ever held a real job that didn't involve fast food or waste
> management?
Your insecurity is noted, Do any of your coworkers know what you do
in Usenet newsgroups where you act semitic by trashing anyone that
isn't a clone of yourself?
Brad Guth
Feb 16, 2012, 11:46:20 PM2/16/12
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> words. They bear no relationship to any sort of reality, but they're
> other words, right enough.
>
>
>
> >Your oligarch bosses must be so proud of you.
>
> They generally seem to be, yes. But again, that has nothing to do
>
>
> >Your oligarch bosses must be so proud of you.
>
> with anything here.
>
> Once again I am amazed at just how pig ignorant you are....
Your inability to deal with the topic is noted.
<Jewish Freudian crutch removed>
Brad Guth
Feb 17, 2012, 12:11:25 AM2/17/12
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A potential of 10:1 payoff is what our moon represents, not to mention
global stability and a renewed focus on the future of better times and
less environmental trauma. Wars can also be avoided and the frail
environment of Earth can start to recover.
The off-world metallicity payback:
Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
is going to be somewhat surface limited and otherwise not very TBM
page 4/4 “In analyzing the topographical maps of Venus, which were
global stability and a renewed focus on the future of better times and
less environmental trauma. Wars can also be avoided and the frail
environment of Earth can start to recover.
The off-world metallicity payback:
Going deep into the moon should provide a relatively stable
environment. The monthly tidal generated quakes are 700 km deep, or
roughly 10+ fold deeper than the extremely thick and fused
paramagnetic basalt crust, that in places could be as tough as
carbonado. This active geological part of our moon is deep enough
that TBMs shouldn’t have any surprises other than encountering geode
pockets of gasses and/or mineral brines as they penetrate deep through
the crust, though conceivably encountering abiotic hydrocarbons
shouldn’t be entirely discounted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
elements that can be TBM excavated, further sorted out or processed to
http://viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
So, besides various types of bling and rare/valuable metallicity
near 100% purity and exported back to Earth with a minimal effort,
there’s likely pockets of gasses and fluids (possibly hydrocarbons)
that should be exploited, if for nothing other than utilizing their
easily emptied pockets or voids for human habitats.
Of course, even though the planet Venus is gradually cooling off, it
easily emptied pockets or voids for human habitats.
is going to be somewhat surface limited and otherwise not very TBM
worthy, because its geothermal innards are fairly close to the surface
that’s already capable of offering locations worth near 760 K (a good
35 K above the average surface atmospheric temperature) as is, not to
mention multiple volcanic and gaseous vents that are literally hotter
than hell, and that’s no due to solar influx or the insulative
attributes of its mostly CO2 atmosphere plus sulfur elements that tend
to compound the active geothermal up-welling situation.
http://www.dlr.de/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-726/1206_read-12453/gallery-1/51_read-4/
that’s already capable of offering locations worth near 760 K (a good
35 K above the average surface atmospheric temperature) as is, not to
mention multiple volcanic and gaseous vents that are literally hotter
than hell, and that’s no due to solar influx or the insulative
attributes of its mostly CO2 atmosphere plus sulfur elements that tend
to compound the active geothermal up-welling situation.
page 4/4 “In analyzing the topographical maps of Venus, which were
made in the 1990s with radar information from the American Magellan
mission, enabled scientists to identify up to 10 000 volcanoes on
Venus. Some of the lava flows from these volcanoes stretch over
hundreds of kilometres, covering areas as large as Germany.”
”The picture shows a radar picture from the Magellan probe of the
Mylitta Fluctus region, in which solidified lava flows can be seen.
Their structure resembles that of basalt lava flows on Earth. Basalt
an igneous rock which is relatively low in silicon, is fluid as lava
at temperatures around 1000°C, and occurs regularly on the Earth – for
example in the islands of Hawaii, or on the sea bed, which constitutes
two-thirds of the Earth’s crust.”
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
mission, enabled scientists to identify up to 10 000 volcanoes on
Venus. Some of the lava flows from these volcanoes stretch over
hundreds of kilometres, covering areas as large as Germany.”
”The picture shows a radar picture from the Magellan probe of the
Mylitta Fluctus region, in which solidified lava flows can be seen.
Their structure resembles that of basalt lava flows on Earth. Basalt
an igneous rock which is relatively low in silicon, is fluid as lava
at temperatures around 1000°C, and occurs regularly on the Earth – for
example in the islands of Hawaii, or on the sea bed, which constitutes
two-thirds of the Earth’s crust.”
Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj
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