Re The Downfall of George W. Bush
Edmond Wollmann
http://www.bushflash.com/year.html
alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) wrote in message news:<35325a08.0404...@posting.google.com>...
> alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) wrote in message news:<35325a08.0404...@posting.google.com>...
> > The past will come to haunt George W. Bush by November 2 (Pluto conjunct North Node, Saturn return sqaure Mars, ruler of 10, Sun in 4).
> http://houseofbush.com/
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> > alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) wrote in message news:<35325a08.04040...@posting.google.com>...
> > > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl762000644d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=35325a08.0402190953.269fa8e5%40posting.google.com
> > > alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) wrote in message news:<35325a08.0403...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > Accelerates as we move towards Saturn return.
> > > > http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/chart_display.htm
> > > > alsim...@yahoo.com (Edmond H. Wollmann) wrote in message news:<edc1b2f0.0401...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bee40070.0307310910.918e352%40posting.google.com
> > > > ..."He has (mis)used the resources of the most powerful nation on the
> > > > planet, spent billions of dollars of taxpayers money, trumped up and
> > > > falsified information even the intelligence community would not be so
> > > > stupid as to use, and destroyed the credibility and goodwill of the
> > > > US...
> > > > All for a plan of vengence so he could kill Saddam Hussein because his
> > > > father failed and as he puts it: "He tried to kill my daddy."
> > > > What sort of idiots would allow a person of his low intelligence to
> > > > use the resources of the US for such a imbecilic motive and issue at
> > > > the cost of all else?"
> > > > There never were any WMDs and HE KNEW IT, only vengence for daddy.
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> http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#Iraq
"You are what your deep, driving desire is.
As your desire is, so is your will.
As your will is, so is your deed.
As your deed is, so is your destiny."
Brihadaranyaka Upanishad IV. 4.5
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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Spámster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> http://groups.google.com
Where's my lawsuit?
Jim Phillips
<large snip>
> "You are what your deep, driving desire is.
Then your soul must be a dark, unspeakable abomination.
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"The zodiac is about 18 degrees wide, but it has no specific width, or even
*approxmate* width, but it is nevertheless millions of miles wide." - Ray
Murphy
Daedalus
wrote:
cram it with walnuts, kook.
Jade
Inspector senaH namroN
"Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
We will agree on few things Wollman, but you're right about Bush.
He's a criminal who should be tried for war crimes, misuse of public office,
fraud and embezzlement.
Cheney should be there right along with him as chief instigator.
Edmond Wollmann
Instead of calling me a kook and spamming usenet with tripe, a word to
the wise should have been sufficient.
Or did you all not GET my prediction??
"Be silent, be still, that's it.
And look upon this moment. Savor it. Rejoice with great gladness,
great gladness.
Remember it always, for you are joined by it, you are one under the
stars! Remember it well then, this night, this great victory. So that
in the years ahead you can say, 'I was there that night, with Arthur
the King!
...
For it is the doom of men that they forget."
wollma...@spam.free
http://www.nocem.org/
http://www.rahul.net/falk/quickrefs.html#W
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Spámster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
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> Instead of calling me a kook and spamming usenet with tripe
You first, kook.
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John Griffin
> "Inspector senaH namroN" <moron.detect...@your.service.net>
>> "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> <snip>
>
>> We will agree on few things Wollman, but you're right about Bush.
>
>> He's a criminal who should be tried for war crimes, misuse of public
>> office, fraud and embezzlement.
>
>> Cheney should be there right along with him as chief instigator.
>
> Instead of calling me a kook and spamming usenet with tripe, a word to
> the wise should have been sufficient.
> Or did you all not GET my prediction??
Kook, it appears that you might have thought you were replying to
someone else. You could have mentioned the plain fact that that drone
is a mindless store-and-forward device who can only parrot some stuff he
heard somewhere. You could have laughed at the puerility of spelling his
name backward. You could have laughed out loud at the incongruity of
calling himself "moron detection services" instead of "moron
demonstration services." He did not make any mention of the fact that
you're a kook. Your irresponsible accusation probably messed up his
mind even more. Now he'll believe that you called him a kook, because he
clearly believes everything he hears. It's your fault if he's so
embarrassed by calling you a kook, even though he didn't, that he kills
himself tomorrow. Oh...wait...you don't mind killing kids...never mind.
Pedantus
"Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Inspector senaH namroN" <moron.detect...@your.service.net> wrote
in message news:<cbhnh9$krl$1...@news.wplus.net>...
> > "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com...
>
> > <snip>
>
> > We will agree on few things Wollman, but you're right about Bush.
>
> > He's a criminal who should be tried for war crimes, misuse of public
office,
> > fraud and embezzlement.
>
> > Cheney should be there right along with him as chief instigator.
>
> Instead of calling me a kook and spamming usenet with tripe, a word to
> the wise should have been sufficient.
> Or did you all not GET my prediction??
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4121955890d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=8uav32%2469%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
"At 2:18 am EST, November 8, 2000.
Moon opposition Mars applying.
And a sword shall pierce your heart. "
This is a "prediction"? Who got stabbed, Ed?
>
>
> Ed
Bob Chipeska
> Instead of calling me a kook and spamming usenet with tripe, a word to
> the wise should have been sufficient.
> Or did you all not GET my prediction??
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4121955890d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=8uav32%2469%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
What prediction? A sword never pierced my heart.
Edmond Wollmann
> "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com...
> > "Inspector senaH namroN" <moron.detect...@your.service.net> wrote
> in message news:<cbhnh9$krl$1...@news.wplus.net>...
> > > "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com...
> > > <snip>
> > > We will agree on few things Wollman, but you're right about Bush.
> > > He's a criminal who should be tried for war crimes, misuse of public
> office,
> > > fraud and embezzlement.
> > > Cheney should be there right along with him as chief instigator.
> > Instead of calling me a kook and spamming usenet with tripe, a word to
> > the wise should have been sufficient.
> > Or did you all not GET my prediction??
You left out the title of the post:
"CNN Announces George Bush as next president"--wherein I did the chart
for that moment and knew this--
Please note I posted these predictions BEFORE he even took office.
> "At 2:18 am EST, November 8, 2000.
> Moon opposition Mars applying.
> And a sword shall pierce your heart. "
> This is a "prediction"? Who got stabbed, Ed?
The "heart" of the US (New York and Washington), many people were
"stabbed in the heart" (meaning PAIN and loss), several have lost
their heads now by Arabs using swords and knives (The Orion idea is
what I mean by "sword", please see my post on that)...but primarily I
meant that the PEOPLE of the US would experience "pain" (sword
piercing heart) by his deceptive election manipulation (curiously I
underestimated how many and that even foreigners would also experience
this pain).
Also, and anyway, I predicted EXACTLY what his presidency would be all
about:
"The eclipse opposes the US Venus/Jupiter conjunction and is a signal
that
this new president is about to undo UNIFYING prosperity, and lead us
into
foreign, legal, religious and economic conflict. Inflation is a very
high
probability. Arrogance will be the catalyst.
Our current president elect lost the election, not only in terms of
vote
count, but in effectiveness, the ability to wield power, the ability
to
promote agenda, and in the confidence (which he will destroy further)
of the
people. But this is necessary and positive for taking back power. The
eclipse squares George W. Bush's Neptune in house 3 from house 5
reinforcing
the above mentioned issues, especially foreign, which are NOT LIKE
they were
when his father used old beliefs to stir the American populace to
punish
children in Iraq as a propaganda ploy to unite us in a mission. We are
becoming one world united, and this cannot be stopped. This president
will
learn through this co-created (by both the populace and him) powerless
position, that changing one's own beliefs and unifying and DEVELOPING
one's
beliefs is far more powerful than trying to force one's own on
others--be it
country or person. His Sun/Moon fall on the US' own defensive and
insecure
Sun/Saturn square. All of our fears as a nation will now be
unflatteringly
played out--which is another necessary element (along with the Clinton
scandal) to destructurize the delusional beliefs the populace holds
that
these people wo serve are somehow "better" than those they serve. This
president is the symbol of my prediction of the momentum of the
collectivity
to take back power from the government in ways I have previously
outlined
(the first on television in 1991) the first issue being:
A) The evidence that every SINGLE person makes a difference in the
creation
of the world belief and world reality as evidenced in the vote
counting.
B) That when we give power to governmental institutions to take
responsibility for things we are unwilling to, they may USURP power
and take
responsibility (or control of) things we may NOT want them to (Orion
negativity).
These two issues will be the indicator of the beginning of the end of
the US
governmental structure (tactics) as we have known it, and a true
republic
will emerge. By 2012, the changes I have discussed will bring a
dramatic
paradigm shift of consciousness regarding our Galactic membership--the
level
of which--shall be determined by the integration of the necessary
events
from now until then."
What part of that do you find "inaccurate"? Or do you have some other
astrologers or psychics or ANYBODY ON THE PLANETs prediction that even
came CLOSE to my accuracy that is DOCUMENTED so clearly as mine??
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/tableof.htm
Spámster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
> Also, and anyway, I predicted EXACTLY what his presidency would be all
> about:
>
Yawn. Where's my damn lawsuit, punk?
wollma...@spam.free
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Flash Bazbo
Then why didn't you explain this at the time instead of waiting a few years
to see what events you could spin to fit your vague and nonsensical
prediction?
>
> Also, and anyway, I predicted EXACTLY what his presidency would be all
> about:
I'm pretty sure "EXACTLY" is the wrong term to describe your prediction.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=The+Christmas+eclipse+of+2000&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=Se616.24291%24c32.5763270%40typhoon.san.rr.com&rnum=1
>
> "The eclipse opposes the US Venus/Jupiter conjunction and is a signal
> that
> this new president is about to undo UNIFYING prosperity,
It is my understanding that the economy showed signs of slowing prior to
Bush's election. This prediction shows no more insight than that of of
other voters who did not want Bush in office.
and lead us
> into
> foreign, legal, religious and economic conflict.
Name a recent president who has not led us into foreign, legal, religious
conflict. Not a very risky bet here.
Inflation is a very
> high
> probability.
Again, not a very risky bet, yet you felt compelled to hedge by using
probabilities here. Were you scared of the inflation pendulum swinging the
wrong way?
>Arrogance will be the catalyst.
Of course arrogance would be a catalyst. It usually is. And Bush's
personality was well documented years before he ran for the presidency. Not
much of a prediction, ed.
> Our current president elect lost the election, not only in terms of
> vote
> count, but in effectiveness, the ability to wield power, the ability
> to
> promote agenda,
Bush has been very effective in wielding power. He got the war he wanted,
his cronies are feeding at the public trough to an unprecedented degree, his
social agenda is being propagated through the justice and legislative
branches with frightening speed. Just because we don't like his agenda does
not mean he has been ineffective at promoting one.
>and in the confidence (which he will destroy further)
> of the
> people.
You're correct here, but no more than any average political observer with a
liberal bent could have predicted. Did you not see the campaign ads of the
time? To attribute this to some amazing mystical power is really a stretch.
> But this is necessary and positive for taking back power. The
> eclipse squares George W. Bush's Neptune in house 3 from house 5
> reinforcing
> the above mentioned issues, especially foreign, which are NOT LIKE
> they were
> when his father used old beliefs to stir the American populace to
> punish
> children in Iraq as a propaganda ploy to unite us in a mission. We are
> becoming one world united, and this cannot be stopped.
This is a pretty broad claim with little supporting evidence. Prior to
Bush's election the world was hardly one big Coke commercial. While GWB has
set back the cause a few decades the world was hardly on the verge of a
shift in its "vibrational level", as you like to phrase it.
> This president
> will
> learn through this co-created (by both the populace and him)
An unsubstantiated new age crutch, much like Bashar and other inanities used
to sell books the gullible.
> powerless position,
See my earlier argument.
> that changing one's own beliefs and unifying and DEVELOPING
> one's
> beliefs is far more powerful than trying to force one's own on
> others--be it
> country or person.
A nice platitude but not one that has its origins in astrology, particularly
not your brand of astrology.
His Sun/Moon fall on the US' own defensive and
> insecure
> Sun/Saturn square. All of our fears as a nation will now be
> unflatteringly
> played out--
As predicted in every campaign ad of every political persuasion of the last
sixty years. To make your case you need to explain how your prediction
differs from those of other non-astrological pundits.
which is another necessary element (along with the Clinton
> scandal) to destructurize
You really need to stop trying to foist nonsensical word upon the English
language.
> the delusional beliefs the populace holds
> that
> these people wo serve are somehow "better" than those they serve.
You seem to be behind the times, Ed. Remember the '60's, Watergate, AbScam,
the Iranian Embassy, Iran/Contra, the War on Drugs, Garry Hart, Newt
Gingrich, Lewinskygate, "No new taxes"? Your insistence that the populace
holds such a pollyannaish view shows a remarkable naivety.
This
> president is the symbol of my prediction of the momentum of the
> collectivity
> to take back power from the government in ways I have previously
> outlined
> (the first on television in 1991)
And I suspect the last time you'll be on TV; barring, of course, the
horrific killing spree that is likely to result when you realize your legal
campaign against the spinics has ended in its inevitable failure.
the first issue being:
> A) The evidence that every SINGLE person makes a difference in the
> creation
> of the world belief and world reality as evidenced in the vote
> counting.
How was this evidenced in the vote counting? Was it that a single Secretary
of State could influence the outcome of the vote, nullifying the difference
that thousands of other individuals could have made?
> B) That when we give power to governmental institutions to take
> responsibility for things we are unwilling to, they may USURP power
> and take
> responsibility (or control of) things we may NOT want them to (Orion
> negativity).
Again, you are taking an long established social concept and attributing it
to your *special* brand of astrology.
>
> These two issues will be the indicator of the beginning of the end of
> the US
> governmental structure (tactics) as we have known it, and a true
> republic
> will emerge. By 2012, the changes I have discussed will bring a
> dramatic
> paradigm shift of consciousness regarding our Galactic membership--the
> level
> of which--shall be determined by the integration of the necessary
> events
> from now until then."
Now that the Millennium has passed every new age huckster on the planet has
retreated to this mystic 2012 fallback position. I predict that by 2012 the
guru industry will have discovered another "sacred date", say 2026, at which
point the collective consciousness will shift and we will live in perfect
harmony with our galactic brothers.
>
> What part of that do you find "inaccurate"?
Some parts are innarcurate as I have pointed out. Others can be easily
attributed to a casual observation of the American political system. None
of it can be claimed as the direct result of an elevated spiritual
awareness.
Or do you have some other
> astrologers or psychics or ANYBODY ON THE PLANETs prediction that even
> came CLOSE to my accuracy that is DOCUMENTED so clearly as mine??
I can't. But then prophets are a dime a dozen. Just listen to just about
any Art Bell program and you will hear the same type of prognosticator, each
claiming the same imprimatur of mystical divination, each willing to back up
their predictions with loads of supporting evidence. To keep track of all
this noise would quickly become a life's work. Face it, ed. You may be the
most amusing dancing pig at the Usenet County Fair but you are nothing
special in the real world.
That Wollmann Asshole
> "Pedantus" <peda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<MLbDc.393065$M3.1...@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
>> "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com...
>> > "Inspector senaH namroN"
>> > <moron.detect...@your.service.net> wrote
>> in message news:<cbhnh9$krl$1...@news.wplus.net>...
>> > > "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com...
>
>> > > <snip>
>
>> > > We will agree on few things Wollman, but you're right about Bush.
>
>> > > He's a criminal who should be tried for war crimes, misuse of
>> > > public
>> office,
>> > > fraud and embezzlement.
>
>> > > Cheney should be there right along with him as chief instigator.
>
>> > Instead of calling me a kook and spamming usenet with tripe, a word
>> > to the wise should have been sufficient.
>> > Or did you all not GET my prediction??
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl4121955890d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF
> -&oe=UTF-8&selm=8uav32%2469%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
You also predicted you'd be suing me in February of 2002, you'd bring a
police escort to PF Chang's and I'd be in jail.
My police record is cleaner than a Minnesota kitchen, convict.
What happened to those predictions?
> You left out the title of the post:
> "CNN Announces George Bush as next president"--wherein I did the chart
> for that moment and knew this--
> Please note I posted these predictions BEFORE he even took office.
You also said he'd lose and never take office, Pantyhead.
>> "At 2:18 am EST, November 8, 2000.
>> Moon opposition Mars applying.
>
>> And a sword shall pierce your heart. "
>
>> This is a "prediction"? Who got stabbed, Ed?
>
> The "heart" of the US (New York and Washington),
I wasn't aware the United States read Usenet.
> many people were
> "stabbed in the heart" (meaning PAIN and loss),
Which never happened at any other time. <snarf>
> several have lost
> their heads now by Arabs using swords and knives (The Orion idea is
> what I mean by "sword", please see my post on that)
Is Orion still a star in your reality? <chortle>
> ...but primarily I
> meant that the PEOPLE of the US would experience "pain" (sword
> piercing heart) by his deceptive election manipulation (curiously I
> underestimated how many and that even foreigners would also experience
> this pain).
Other than your ghoulish glee at fitting a vague prediction, I see
nothing. Has nymmie ever paid you damages like you specifically
predicted? SPNAK!
> Also, and anyway, I predicted EXACTLY what his presidency would be all
> about:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=The+Christmas+eclipse+of+2000&hl=en&l
> r=&ie=UTF-8&selm=Se616.24291%24c32.5763270%40typhoon.san.rr.com&rnum=1
What presidency, Edmo? You said he wouldn't be president, asshole.
> "The eclipse opposes the US Venus/Jupiter conjunction and is a signal
> that
> this new president is about to undo UNIFYING prosperity, and lead us
> into
> foreign, legal, religious and economic conflict. Inflation is a very
> high probability. Arrogance will be the catalyst.
All you predicted were vague Turi-like nonsensical things. It seems like
anything you were specific about never happened.
I seem to recall you predicted earthquakes in Califirnia one week, which
you kookily defined as 15 days, and as safe as that prediction was you
still failed.
Nice rant. Sorry to hear that even the rubes are laughing at you,
scumbag.
> These two issues will be the indicator of the beginning of the end of
> the US
> governmental structure (tactics) as we have known it, and a true
> republic
> will emerge. By 2012, the changes I have discussed will bring a
> dramatic
> paradigm shift of consciousness regarding our Galactic membership--the
> level
> of which--shall be determined by the integration of the necessary
> events
> from now until then."
Eight years until "Galactic Membership"? That's hilarious!
> What part of that do you find "inaccurate"? Or do you have some other
> astrologers or psychics or ANYBODY ON THE PLANETs prediction that even
> came CLOSE to my accuracy that is DOCUMENTED so clearly as mine??
I do have a Magic 8-ball that does better. It even provides specific
answers most of the time!
Let me try it now:
"Is Edmond the Pantyhead the greatest Usenet kook ever?"
Magic 8-ball says "Yes"!
Mine works better. I understand that you're under the handicap of having
no balls, but you'll get no sympathy for that.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
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news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com:
> "Inspector senaH namroN" <moron.detect...@your.service.net>
> wrote in message news:<cbhnh9$krl$1...@news.wplus.net>...
>> "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com...
>
>> <snip>
>
>> We will agree on few things Wollman, but you're right about Bush.
>
>> He's a criminal who should be tried for war crimes, misuse of public
>> office, fraud and embezzlement.
>
>> Cheney should be there right along with him as chief instigator.
>
> Instead of calling me a kook and spamming usenet with tripe, a word to
> the wise should have been sufficient.
> Or did you all not GET my prediction??
Way to go Ed. Somebody makes a concessionary attempt to be nice and you
clobber 'em! Ziff! Boom! Bam!
Kooka Doodle Doo!!!!!!!!!!!
While we're at it, shouldn't a prediction be just a wee bit more specific?
I mean, piercing a heart with a sword is very Shakspearian, but a heart of
what? A butterfly, pig, politician? You didn't really specify anything
in particular.
It's a stretch to say you predicted anything specific. After reading your
"prediction", I thought you were predicting the end result of an Islamic
Jihad on a helpless civilian.
See why you have such a hard time convincing skeptics?
DrPostman
>In article <35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com>,
>You predicted he would never take office AT ALL.
>
>> > "At 2:18 am EST, November 8, 2000.
>> > Moon opposition Mars applying.
>>
>> > And a sword shall pierce your heart. "
>>
>> > This is a "prediction"? Who got stabbed, Ed?
>>
>> The "heart" of the US (New York and Washington), many people were
>> "stabbed in the heart" (meaning PAIN and loss), several have lost
>> their heads now by Arabs using swords and knives (The Orion idea is
>> what I mean by "sword", please see my post on that)...but primarily I
>> meant that the PEOPLE of the US would experience "pain" (sword
>> piercing heart) by his deceptive election manipulation (curiously I
>> underestimated how many and that even foreigners would also experience
>> this pain).
>
>Looks more to me like you are forcing reality to fit a vague prediction
>that could cover just about anything unfortunate.
>
>> Also, and anyway, I predicted EXACTLY what his presidency would be all
>> about:
>
>You and the entire Democratic National Committee. Now sit back down.
>
>> These two issues will be the indicator of the beginning of the end of
>> the US
>> governmental structure (tactics) as we have known it, and a true
>> republic
>> will emerge.
>
>Not with the present cast of characters in Washington it won't.
>
>> By 2012, the changes I have discussed will bring a
>> dramatic
>> paradigm shift of consciousness regarding our Galactic membership--the
>> level
>> of which--shall be determined by the integration of the necessary
>> events
>> from now until then."
>
>You can't pain yourself to tell us exactly what paradigm is going to
>shift, can you?
>
>> What part of that do you find "inaccurate"? Or do you have some other
>> astrologers or psychics or ANYBODY ON THE PLANETs prediction that even
>> came CLOSE to my accuracy that is DOCUMENTED so clearly as mine??
>
>Louis Turi.
Louis is the King of vague predictions. Wollkook can't hold a candle
to Turi.
--
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Pedantus
Hmmmm....let's see.....the speach that warns "beware the ides of
March...."?
Well, you could have been discussing a fallout between Caesar and Brutus,
until we see the delusional alien/galactic membership thing...cute...:) You
were making a joke right?
>
> Ed
Edmond Wollmann
> "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com...
> > "Pedantus" <peda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<MLbDc.393065$M3.1...@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
> > > "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com...
> > > > "Inspector senaH namroN" <moron.detect...@your.service.net>
> wrote
> in message news:<cbhnh9$krl$1...@news.wplus.net>...
> > > > > "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > We will agree on few things Wollman, but you're right about Bush.
Thank you.
> > > > > He's a criminal who should be tried for war crimes, misuse of public
> office,
> > > > > fraud and embezzlement.
He should be impeached, instead we impeach Clinton for getting a blow
job--something every president gets.
> > > > > Cheney should be there right along with him as chief instigator.
> > > > Instead of calling me a kook and spamming usenet with tripe, a word to
> > > > the wise should have been sufficient.
> > > > Or did you all not GET my prediction??
> > You left out the title of the post:
> > "CNN Announces George Bush as next president"--wherein I did the chart
> > for that moment and knew this--
> > Please note I posted these predictions BEFORE he even took office.
> > > "At 2:18 am EST, November 8, 2000.
> > > Moon opposition Mars applying.
> > > And a sword shall pierce your heart. "
> > > This is a "prediction"? Who got stabbed, Ed?
> > The "heart" of the US (New York and Washington), many people were
> > "stabbed in the heart" (meaning PAIN and loss), several have lost
> > their heads now by Arabs using swords and knives (The Orion idea is
> > what I mean by "sword", please see my post on that)...but primarily I
> > meant that the PEOPLE of the US would experience "pain" (sword
> > piercing heart) by his deceptive election manipulation (curiously I
> > underestimated how many and that even foreigners would also experience
> > this pain).
> Then why didn't you explain this at the time instead of waiting a few years
> to see what events you could spin to fit your vague and nonsensical
> prediction?
Because spinics are the only ones idiotic enough to actually assert
that some idiot might believe it means every person in the world who
read the post was going to have a "sword pierce their heart"???
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
You call that an argument?? What ON EARTH ELSE could it mean to a
thinking person? That we were going to have 4 years of fun and
frolic????
> > Also, and anyway, I predicted EXACTLY what his presidency would be all
> > about:
> I'm pretty sure "EXACTLY" is the wrong term to describe your prediction.
I'm not just pretty sure, but POSITIVE you are a spinic who can't even
post under a real identity because you are so aware of your own
bullshit.
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=The+Christmas+eclipse+of+2000&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=Se616.24291%24c32.5763270%40typhoon.san.rr.com&rnum=1
> > "The eclipse opposes the US Venus/Jupiter conjunction and is a signal
> > that
> > this new president is about to undo UNIFYING prosperity,
> It is my understanding that the economy showed signs of slowing prior to
> Bush's election. This prediction shows no more insight than that of of
> other voters who did not want Bush in office.
That's what the Republicans have brain washed you to believe.
Clinton's policies created 22 million jobs--more than ANY president in
the last 20 years.
> and lead us
> > into
> > foreign, legal, religious and economic conflict.
> Name a recent president who has not led us into foreign, legal, religious
> conflict. Not a very risky bet here.
Did you leave out economic purposely Mr. Disingenuous? Lincoln and
many other Presidents did NOT lead us into foreign conflict, nor
religious, many have had to lead us into legal and economic conflict
in order to correct the past presidents short-sightedness. There were
INFINITE events and issues that George W COULD have taken us into--I
was the ONLY person on the planet that I am aware of who so accurately
described EXACTLY WHAT. Except for those insiders who work with him to
abuse the power of the presidency and remain out of integrity.
> Inflation is a very
> > high
> > probability.
> Again, not a very risky bet, yet you felt compelled to hedge by using
> probabilities here. Were you scared of the inflation pendulum swinging the
> wrong way?
If it wasn't for Greenspan keeping interest rates down, Bush WOULD
have sent us into the second great depression--but now that refinance
and mortgages have been exausted--that is exactly what is possible
now. I feel sorry for Kerry if he does win--what will he win? A GIANT
DESTROYED US GOVERNMENT.
> >Arrogance will be the catalyst.
> Of course arrogance would be a catalyst. It usually is. And Bush's
> personality was well documented years before he ran for the presidency. Not
> much of a prediction, ed.
I see, so you and everyone else KNEW he would destroy the good status
and credibility of the US around the world? I bet you voted for him
too.
> > Our current president elect lost the election, not only in terms of
> > vote
> > count, but in effectiveness, the ability to wield power, the ability
> > to
> > promote agenda,
> Bush has been very effective in wielding power. He got the war he wanted,
WRONG, he is like the vicious dog chasing the car--he caught it now
what's he gonna do with it??? NOTHING. Because he aroused so much
opposition and FOCUS on his crimes that he can't execute them.
> his cronies are feeding at the public trough to an unprecedented degree, his
> social agenda is being propagated through the justice and legislative
> branches with frightening speed. Just because we don't like his agenda does
> not mean he has been ineffective at promoting one.
What does a man have if he gains the world and loses his soul?...and
his credibility, and his status in history, his credibility around the
world, and his eventual chance of a lifetime to do right all the while
ruining the entire work of past great presidents?? NOTHING. NOthing he
does will stand.
> >and in the confidence (which he will destroy further)
> > of the
> > people.
> You're correct here, but no more than any average political observer with a
> liberal bent could have predicted. Did you not see the campaign ads of the
> time? To attribute this to some amazing mystical power is really a stretch.
I see, so you knew all along (with all the others in the US who have
evidently been lying in the polls when they did NOT share my views)
that he would destroy the US credibility and confidence of not only
his own people but those around the world?? And what have you done to
help us REVERSE that trend then if you were so clear about it?? Oh
hypocrite, you sit and wait and watch all the while knowing I was
correct and never uttered a word in agreement or opposition to this 4
years of destruction? What sort of person are you to ignore your own
world??
> > But this is necessary and positive for taking back power. The
> > eclipse squares George W. Bush's Neptune in house 3 from house 5
> > reinforcing
> > the above mentioned issues, especially foreign, which are NOT LIKE
> > they were
> > when his father used old beliefs to stir the American populace to
> > punish
> > children in Iraq as a propaganda ploy to unite us in a mission. We are
> > becoming one world united, and this cannot be stopped.
> This is a pretty broad claim with little supporting evidence. Prior to
I have REAMS of supporting evidence--charts of every kind --YOU have
no evidence because your a bigot and that does not allow you to access
the SAME reams of evidence I have--that is YOUR problem, not mine.
> Bush's election the world was hardly one big Coke commercial. While GWB has
> set back the cause a few decades the world was hardly on the verge of a
> shift in its "vibrational level", as you like to phrase it.
WRONG! Because it is necessary for a complacent and prosperous public
to have their little world disrupted to wake them up to the abuse that
occurs when you hand over power to imbeciles and let them manage your
money and world because you are too lazy to take responsibility for
your own reality and even go VOTE!
> > This president
> > will
> > learn through this co-created (by both the populace and him)
> An unsubstantiated new age crutch, much like Bashar and other inanities used
> to sell books the gullible.
In your small, uninformed, uninsightful and bigoted view--which no one
with a thinking critical mind will support. You spinics assertion that
people like me take abuse and harassment from lessers like you for 7
years because of money making schemes tells us far more of YOU than
me. I make nothing from your abuse.
> > powerless position,
> See my earlier argument.
You haven't MADE an argument yet.
A valid and sound deductive argument is one that has a true premises
and a true conclusion-it is deductive, which contains nothing new in
the conclusion (like math). Inductive arguments are weak or strong
(never certain which all are here inductive) if they have a true
premises and true conclusion (strong and cogent) or true premises and
(probably) false conclusion (weak uncogent). In this way they are
determined to be cogent or not based on strong argument+True premises.
sound argument=valid deductive argument + true premises=definite true
conclusion
cogent argument=strong inductive argument + true premises=probably
true conclusion
> > that changing one's own beliefs and unifying and DEVELOPING
> > one's
> > beliefs is far more powerful than trying to force one's own on
> > others--be it
> > country or person.
> A nice platitude but not one that has its origins in astrology, particularly
> not your brand of astrology.
It's not a platitude idiot--it is the CORE ISSUE, people and countries
who must FORCE their views and small minded beliefs on others is an
indication of POWERLESSNESS, and is a sure sign the agenda will
FAIL--just like you spinics have FAILED to do anything but reveal your
LACK of proper intention, goodwill, good sense, and solid
understanding of ANYTHING.
The US came to power BECAUSE of self-empowering views, and it will
lose its power for the same reasons.
> His Sun/Moon fall on the US' own defensive and
> > insecure
> > Sun/Saturn square. All of our fears as a nation will now be
> > unflatteringly
> > played out--
> As predicted in every campaign ad of every political persuasion of the last
> sixty years. To make your case you need to explain how your prediction
> differs from those of other non-astrological pundits.
I see. Every campaign ad showed the two towers being destroyed whilst
Bush sat in a classroom for a photo op??? Are you for real???
> which is another necessary element (along with the Clinton
> > scandal) to destructurize
> You really need to stop trying to foist nonsensical word upon the English
> language.
We need to DESTRUCTUREIZE our complacent beliefs that the populace
has, that simply ignoring the truth about matters will somehow
magically make them go away.
> > the delusional beliefs the populace holds
> > that
> > these people wo serve are somehow "better" than those they serve.
> You seem to be behind the times, Ed. Remember the '60's, Watergate, AbScam,
> the Iranian Embassy, Iran/Contra, the War on Drugs, Garry Hart, Newt
> Gingrich, Lewinskygate, "No new taxes"? Your insistence that the populace
> holds such a pollyannaish view shows a remarkable naivety.
The POLLS PROVE that I was one of the VERY FEW who acurately knew what
would become of our country and president. The polls only shifted in
the last 2 weeks that the war was probably not worth it--or that it
made the country safer against terrorism--or that Saddam had anything
to do with anything--I TOLD YOU ALL THAT THE NIGHT HE WAS ELECTED.
That was FOUR years ago--in case you have forgotten. Even the
astrologers at the meetings I went to, were wasting time trying to see
when Saddam would be captured--as IF THAT MEANT ANY THING. Instread, I
said it would--and did--mean nothing--I was correct and they were
silly.
Not very many people GET IT. That is why I stay here--to HELP THEM GET
IT.
> This
> > president is the symbol of my prediction of the momentum of the
> > collectivity
> > to take back power from the government in ways I have previously
> > outlined
> > (the first on television in 1991)
> And I suspect the last time you'll be on TV; barring, of course, the
I have been on television since then--but your arguments are
irrelevant anyway. How does that have anything to do with the accuracy
of my predictions or the force of your argument Mr. Fallacious ad
hominem boy?
> horrific killing spree that is likely to result when you realize your legal
> campaign against the spinics has ended in its inevitable failure.
It hasn't even started punk--but thanks for acknowledging that they
are just spinics. Spin-doctoring-propagandic-cynics. You and they are
not important enough for me to focus on, nor is it necessary that I
concern myself with it much because of your ineffectiveness, and
stupidity to continue the very acts I can take legal action for--which
means my statutes of limits never runs.
> the first issue being:
> > A) The evidence that every SINGLE person makes a difference in the
> > creation
> > of the world belief and world reality as evidenced in the vote
> > counting.
> How was this evidenced in the vote counting? Was it that a single Secretary
Ahhhh, you don't get it? People are lazy and complacent. They don't
vote. An idiot gets into office precisely because they do not take
responsibility for their own country and issues, and ruins all the
things that made them complacent--they now real-ize they "should" have
taken responsibility, they vote in huge numbers and drive the imbecile
out.
Get it?? THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON MAKES A DIFFERENCE, because the
overtaking of the country was so close. Precisely as I also
predicted--that Gore won. But the Judicial branch decided an
election--the first overturning of our constitution as the criminal
took office.
> of State could influence the outcome of the vote, nullifying the difference
> that thousands of other individuals could have made?
No, it was a bunch of cronies working together--Bush has POWER AND
MONEY, he has abused it and will have to reap what he has sewn.
> > B) That when we give power to governmental institutions to take
> > responsibility for things we are unwilling to, they may USURP power
> > and take
> > responsibility (or control of) things we may NOT want them to (Orion
> > negativity).
> Again, you are taking an long established social concept and attributing it
> to your *special* brand of astrology.
No, it is simple psychology, you cannot give power to others out of
laziness and then cry when they abuse it.
> > These two issues will be the indicator of the beginning of the end of
> > the US
> > governmental structure (tactics) as we have known it, and a true
> > republic
> > will emerge. By 2012, the changes I have discussed will bring a
> > dramatic
> > paradigm shift of consciousness regarding our Galactic membership--the
> > level
> > of which--shall be determined by the integration of the necessary
> > events
> > from now until then."
> Now that the Millennium has passed every new age huckster on the planet has
I never said anything about the Millenium except about the economic
and religious restructuring:
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/saturn.htm
Which I was ALSO correct about (Enron and the Catholic church).
> retreated to this mystic 2012 fallback position. I predict that by 2012 the
> guru industry will have discovered another "sacred date", say 2026, at which
> point the collective consciousness will shift and we will live in perfect
> harmony with our galactic brothers.
And I predict (someone who actually has accurate predictions under his
belt) that you will be as wrong then and ineffectual as you have been
here for the last however many years you have asserted your bigotry.
> > What part of that do you find "inaccurate"?
> Some parts are innarcurate as I have pointed out. Others can be easily
> attributed to a casual observation of the American political system. None
The purpose of my work is to help inform and inspire others to do the
integral thing and to take responsibility for their reality on all
levels. I don't care what losers and bigots think.
> of it can be claimed as the direct result of an elevated spiritual
> awareness.
One thing is for sure, I have elevated far more than any spinic will.
> Or do you have some other
> > astrologers or psychics or ANYBODY ON THE PLANETs prediction that even
> > came CLOSE to my accuracy that is DOCUMENTED so clearly as mine??
> I can't. But then prophets are a dime a dozen. Just listen to just about
> any Art Bell program and you will hear the same type of prognosticator, each
> claiming the same imprimatur of mystical divination, each willing to back up
> their predictions with loads of supporting evidence. To keep track of all
> this noise would quickly become a life's work. Face it, ed. You may be the
> most amusing dancing pig at the Usenet County Fair but you are nothing
> special in the real world.
I see, and you are? Van Gogh was nothing in his time either, but rest
assured my legacy will endure long after you grow some balls to post
under a real identity and perhaps take the smallest responsibility for
your meager reality.
Realism and idealism work hand in hand in my world, I have found a way
to be what you can only hope of becoming.
"Starry starry night, portraits hung in empty halls,
frameless heads on nameless walls, with eyes that watch the world and
can't forget...
like the strangers that you've met, the ragged men in ragged clothes,
the silver thorn of bloody rose,
lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow.
Now I think I know, what you tried to say to me,
and how you suffered for your sanity,
and how you tried to set them free, they would not listen...
they're not listening still,
perhaps they never will." "Vincent" Don McClean
Bob Chipeska
news:35325a08.04062...@posting.google.com...
> Because spinics are the only ones idiotic enough to actually assert
> that some idiot might believe it means every person in the world who
> read the post was going to have a "sword pierce their heart"???
> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Mr. Wollmann, please don't do us an favors.
Sincerely,
John Kerry Presidential Campaign
Spámster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
> I'm not just pretty sure, but POSITIVE you are a spinic who can't even
> post under a real identity because you are so aware of your own
> bullshit.
>
So says John Ingram, hypocritial freak.
Flash Bazbo
Your sword piercing prediction, when not used as a literal expression, is a
vague statement that tells us little of value. Your explanation *now* of
what you meant *then* is fairly detailed and far more specific. My
question, the one you are avoiding, is why weren't you equally detailed and
specific in the first place instead of using the sword analogy? Could you
not foresee the criticism that would result from applying such a vague
prediction to specific events?
>
> > > Also, and anyway, I predicted EXACTLY what his presidency would be all
> > > about:
>
> > I'm pretty sure "EXACTLY" is the wrong term to describe your prediction.
>
> I'm not just pretty sure, but POSITIVE you are a spinic
Ad hominem attack, Ed. Just thought I'd point that out since you seem to be
blind to your own posting behavior.
>who can't even
> post under a real identity because you are so aware of your own
> bullshit.
I can post under my real identity, and have in the past. I choose not to
because people like you and Ray K. and Pete Stapleton fail to see Usenet for
the sandbox that it is. I see no reason to take these pissing contests into
my real world and I don't want to spend my hard earned money on attorney
fees fighting some nuisance lawsuit. By the way, what was the outcome of
your tort filing?
>
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=The+Christmas+eclipse+of+2000&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=Se616.24291%24c32.5763270%40typhoon.san.rr.com&rnum=1
>
> > > "The eclipse opposes the US Venus/Jupiter conjunction and is a signal
> > > that
> > > this new president is about to undo UNIFYING prosperity,
>
> > It is my understanding that the economy showed signs of slowing prior to
> > Bush's election. This prediction shows no more insight than that of of
> > other voters who did not want Bush in office.
>
> That's what the Republicans have brain washed you to believe.
> Clinton's policies created 22 million jobs--more than ANY president in
> the last 20 years.
He was in office for eight years, Ed, plenty of time for the economy cycle
from positive to negative. Were those jobs created at a constant rate for
all eight years? Or were most created in his first six years, with the
slide starting thereafter? Regardless, the point isn't who created more
jobs. The point is was your prediction any more insightful than one made by
the average non-astrologer who keeps track of economic indicators? I think
not.
>
> > and lead us
> > > into
> > > foreign, legal, religious and economic conflict.
>
> > Name a recent president who has not led us into foreign, legal,
religious
> > conflict. Not a very risky bet here.
>
> Did you leave out economic purposely Mr. Disingenuous?
Nope, just lost track of how many things we were talking about. My mistake.
However, I had already asserted that the economy was showing signs of a
slowdown by the time you made your prediction so I think I can be forgiven
not addressing it again in this paragraph.
> Lincoln
Did you ignore the term "recent president" purposely Mr. Disingenuous?
and
> many other Presidents did NOT lead us into foreign conflict,
Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton did. That seems to cover most recent
president's, don'tcha think?
nor
> religious,
Bosnia was not a religious conflict? What newspapers do you read?
many have had to lead us into legal and economic conflict
> in order to correct the past presidents short-sightedness. There were
> INFINITE events and issues that George W COULD have taken us into--I
> was the ONLY person on the planet that I am aware of who so accurately
> described EXACTLY WHAT. Except for those insiders who work with him to
> abuse the power of the presidency and remain out of integrity.
No, you stated generalities that pretty much every president must face these
days. A specific prediction would have been "there will be a terrorist
attack early in Bush's first term, in New York city, that will be so
horrific that Bush will be compelled to destroy the terrorist camps in
Afghanistan along with the religious regime that supports them. Bush will
then use the terrorist threat argument and alleged WMD's as a pretext for
invading Iraq." Now that would have been an EXACT prediction.
>
> > Inflation is a very
> > > high
> > > probability.
>
> > Again, not a very risky bet, yet you felt compelled to hedge by using
> > probabilities here. Were you scared of the inflation pendulum swinging
the
> > wrong way?
>
> If it wasn't for Greenspan keeping interest rates down, Bush WOULD
> have sent us into the second great depression--but now that refinance
> and mortgages have been exausted--that is exactly what is possible
> now. I feel sorry for Kerry if he does win--what will he win? A GIANT
> DESTROYED US GOVERNMENT.
But that isn't what your prediction stated, Ed. You predicted very high
inflation; no mention of Greenspan at all. Why not if it was all so clear
to you?
>
> > >Arrogance will be the catalyst.
>
> > Of course arrogance would be a catalyst. It usually is. And Bush's
> > personality was well documented years before he ran for the presidency.
Not
> > much of a prediction, ed.
>
> I see, so you and everyone else KNEW he would destroy the good status
> and credibility of the US around the world? I bet you voted for him
> too.
I live in Texas, Ed. So yes, I did believe Bush would be a national
embarrassment. I also happened to work with the wife of a member of Bush's
Secret Service detail when he was just Son of the President, so I had a
little insider information on his personality. Obviously not everyone
shared my opinion, but I had come to the same conclusion as you without
benefit of any astrological charts. That's kind of weird, ain't it, Ed?
>
> > > Our current president elect lost the election, not only in terms of
> > > vote
> > > count, but in effectiveness, the ability to wield power, the ability
> > > to
> > > promote agenda,
>
> > Bush has been very effective in wielding power. He got the war he
wanted,
>
> WRONG, he is like the vicious dog chasing the car--he caught it now
> what's he gonna do with it??? NOTHING. Because he aroused so much
> opposition and FOCUS on his crimes that he can't execute them.
He wanted to topple Iraq. He toppled Iraq. He wanted his friends to get
the meaty portion of the rebuilding and oil contracts. Bingo, his buddies
start counting their loot. He wants to appear tough on terrorists by
chucking away Constitutional and Geneva Convention protections for
prisoners? No problem. Gut the EPA? Sure, go right ahead.
Face it, Ed. Bush is implementing his agenda like Godzilla strolling
through Tokyo. Your prediction failed on this point.
>
> > his cronies are feeding at the public trough to an unprecedented degree,
his
> > social agenda is being propagated through the justice and legislative
> > branches with frightening speed. Just because we don't like his agenda
does
> > not mean he has been ineffective at promoting one.
>
> What does a man have if he gains the world and loses his soul?...and
> his credibility, and his status in history, his credibility around the
> world, and his eventual chance of a lifetime to do right all the while
> ruining the entire work of past great presidents?? NOTHING. NOthing he
> does will stand.
That's not the point. You were wrong. Bush has been effective wielding
power.
>
> > >and in the confidence (which he will destroy further)
> > > of the
> > > people.
>
> > You're correct here, but no more than any average political observer
with a
> > liberal bent could have predicted. Did you not see the campaign ads of
the
> > time? To attribute this to some amazing mystical power is really a
stretch.
>
> I see, so you knew all along (with all the others in the US who have
> evidently been lying in the polls when they did NOT share my views)
Most people are unaware of your existence, let alone your views, ed.
> that he would destroy the US credibility and confidence of not only
> his own people but those around the world??
I did not "know". I highly suspected and voted accordingly.
And what have you done to
> help us REVERSE that trend then if you were so clear about it??
I voted my conscience.
Oh
> hypocrite, you sit and wait and watch all the while knowing I was
> correct and never uttered a word in agreement or opposition to this 4
> years of destruction?
Oh lordy! How does one respond to this grandiose prose?
Not every word I utter is uttered on Usenet, ed; and while uttering those
words, knowledge of whether you were right or wrong never entered my mind.
>What sort of person are you to ignore your own
> world??
Where did you get the impression that I do?
>
> > > But this is necessary and positive for taking back power. The
> > > eclipse squares George W. Bush's Neptune in house 3 from house 5
> > > reinforcing
> > > the above mentioned issues, especially foreign, which are NOT LIKE
> > > they were
> > > when his father used old beliefs to stir the American populace to
> > > punish
> > > children in Iraq as a propaganda ploy to unite us in a mission. We are
> > > becoming one world united, and this cannot be stopped.
>
> > This is a pretty broad claim with little supporting evidence. Prior to
>
> I have REAMS of supporting evidence--charts of every kind --YOU have
> no evidence because your a bigot and that does not allow you to access
> the SAME reams of evidence I have--that is YOUR problem, not mine.
You have reams of charts measuring an intangible concept like World Unity?
Do you know your charts are correct because they just feel right or is there
an objective standard we can use to gauge your success?
Oh, nice ad hominem, too.
>
> > Bush's election the world was hardly one big Coke commercial. While GWB
has
> > set back the cause a few decades the world was hardly on the verge of a
> > shift in its "vibrational level", as you like to phrase it.
>
> WRONG! Because it is necessary for a complacent and prosperous public
> to have their little world disrupted to wake them up to the abuse that
> occurs when you hand over power to imbeciles and let them manage your
> money and world because you are too lazy to take responsibility for
> your own reality and even go VOTE!
Missed the point again, ed. The world before Bush was in a fractious state.
Today it is still in a fractious state. I suspect that after 2012 the world
will still be in a fractious state.
>
> > > This president
> > > will
> > > learn through this co-created (by both the populace and him)
>
> > An unsubstantiated new age crutch, much like Bashar and other inanities
used
> > to sell books the gullible.
>
> In your small, uninformed, uninsightful and bigoted view--which no one
> with a thinking critical mind will support. You spinics assertion that
> people like me take abuse and harassment from lessers like you for 7
> years because of money making schemes tells us far more of YOU than
> me. I make nothing from your abuse.
You make pretty much nothing elsewhere, too. Where is your proof of a
co-created reality? What evidence have you that Bashar even exists? Why is
your pet theory of reality any better than mine? Because you can draw an
astrological chart as supposed evidence of your profundity?
> > > powerless position,
>
> > See my earlier argument.
>
> You haven't MADE an argument yet.
> A valid and sound deductive argument is one that has a true premises
> and a true conclusion-it is deductive, which contains nothing new in
> the conclusion (like math). Inductive arguments are weak or strong
> (never certain which all are here inductive) if they have a true
> premises and true conclusion (strong and cogent) or true premises and
> (probably) false conclusion (weak uncogent). In this way they are
> determined to be cogent or not based on strong argument+True premises.
>
> sound argument=valid deductive argument + true premises=definite true
> conclusion
> cogent argument=strong inductive argument + true premises=probably
> true conclusion
Quit hiding behind your textbooks, ed. This quotation fixation does nothing
to advance your point.
>
> > > that changing one's own beliefs and unifying and DEVELOPING
> > > one's
> > > beliefs is far more powerful than trying to force one's own on
> > > others--be it
> > > country or person.
>
> > A nice platitude but not one that has its origins in astrology,
particularly
> > not your brand of astrology.
>
> It's not a platitude idiot--it is the CORE ISSUE, people and countries
> who must FORCE their views and small minded beliefs on others is an
> indication of POWERLESSNESS, and is a sure sign the agenda will
> FAIL--just like you spinics have FAILED to do anything but reveal your
> LACK of proper intention, goodwill, good sense, and solid
> understanding of ANYTHING.
I'm not forcing my belief on you, ed. I'm defending my opinion that your
prediction was totally useless as an indicator of Bush's performance in
office and that the efficacy of your astrology is highly suspect. I can
accept your opposing opinion without resorting to capitalizations and ad
hominems and declarations of faux victories. It is called civil discourse,
ed.
> The US came to power BECAUSE of self-empowering views, and it will
> lose its power for the same reasons.
Still, the concept empowerment through self improvement rather than
coercion of others is not original to your astrology, ed.
>
> > His Sun/Moon fall on the US' own defensive and
> > > insecure
> > > Sun/Saturn square. All of our fears as a nation will now be
> > > unflatteringly
> > > played out--
>
> > As predicted in every campaign ad of every political persuasion of the
last
> > sixty years. To make your case you need to explain how your prediction
> > differs from those of other non-astrological pundits.
>
> I see. Every campaign ad showed the two towers being destroyed whilst
> Bush sat in a classroom for a photo op??? Are you for real???
Are you that dense? Every campaign of the last sixty years has painted its
opponent in the least favorable light. Remember Johnson's anti-Goldwater
commercial? The Bush Sr. campaign implying Dukakis would parole murderers
and rapists? This technique far preceeds this latest campaign yet you act
as though it is unique to your prediction. And I have yet to see any of
your predictions mention the destruction of the WTC towers or Bush's
activities on that day. So who are you to throw stones?
>
> > which is another necessary element (along with the Clinton
> > > scandal) to destructurize
>
> > You really need to stop trying to foist nonsensical word upon the
English
> > language.
>
> We need to DESTRUCTUREIZE our complacent beliefs that the populace
> has, that simply ignoring the truth about matters will somehow
> magically make them go away.
There you go again.
>
> > > the delusional beliefs the populace holds
> > > that
> > > these people wo serve are somehow "better" than those they serve.
>
> > You seem to be behind the times, Ed. Remember the '60's, Watergate,
AbScam,
> > the Iranian Embassy, Iran/Contra, the War on Drugs, Garry Hart, Newt
> > Gingrich, Lewinskygate, "No new taxes"? Your insistence that the
populace
> > holds such a pollyannaish view shows a remarkable naivety.
>
> The POLLS PROVE that I was one of the VERY FEW who acurately knew what
> would become of our country and president.
No pollsters asked my opinion.
The polls only shifted in
> the last 2 weeks that the war was probably not worth it--or that it
> made the country safer against terrorism--or that Saddam had anything
> to do with anything--I TOLD YOU ALL THAT THE NIGHT HE WAS ELECTED.
What makes you different from the millions of other voters who did not
support Bush? Does a Usenet posting give you exclusive ownership of a
political stance?
> That was FOUR years ago--in case you have forgotten. Even the
> astrologers at the meetings I went to, were wasting time trying to see
> when Saddam would be captured--as IF THAT MEANT ANY THING. Instread, I
> said it would--and did--mean nothing--I was correct and they were
> silly.
> Not very many people GET IT. That is why I stay here--to HELP THEM GET
> IT.
I stay here to help you get it but you are a very slow learner.
>
> > This
> > > president is the symbol of my prediction of the momentum of the
> > > collectivity
> > > to take back power from the government in ways I have previously
> > > outlined
> > > (the first on television in 1991)
>
> > And I suspect the last time you'll be on TV; barring, of course, the
>
> I have been on television since then
"America's Most Wanted"?
--but your arguments are
> irrelevant anyway. How does that have anything to do with the accuracy
> of my predictions or the force of your argument Mr. Fallacious ad
> hominem boy?
Just a little ego puncturing jab, ed.
>
> > horrific killing spree that is likely to result when you realize your
legal
> > campaign against the spinics has ended in its inevitable failure.
>
> It hasn't even started punk
Want me to make your day, Clint?
--but thanks for acknowledging that they
> are just spinics.
When arguing against the mentally challenged it is useful to use words they
understand.
Spin-doctoring-propagandic-cynics. You and they are
> not important enough for me to focus on, nor is it necessary that I
> concern myself with it much because of your ineffectiveness, and
> stupidity to continue the very acts I can take legal action for--which
> means my statutes of limits never runs.
Apparently we are important enough for you archive thousands of posts on
your hard drive, send complaints to ISP's, file tort actions with the State
of California (whatever happened there?), and pester NANAU with edited
copies of our posts.
>
> > the first issue being:
> > > A) The evidence that every SINGLE person makes a difference in the
> > > creation
> > > of the world belief and world reality as evidenced in the vote
> > > counting.
>
> > How was this evidenced in the vote counting? Was it that a single
Secretary
>
> Ahhhh, you don't get it? People are lazy and complacent. They don't
> vote. An idiot gets into office precisely because they do not take
> responsibility for their own country and issues, and ruins all the
> things that made them complacent--they now real-ize they "should" have
> taken responsibility, they vote in huge numbers and drive the imbecile
> out.
> Get it?? THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON MAKES A DIFFERENCE, because the
> overtaking of the country was so close. Precisely as I also
> predicted--that Gore won. But the Judicial branch decided an
> election--the first overturning of our constitution as the criminal
> took office.
Millions of people did vote. If more had voted what evidence do you that
the election would have swung more favorably toward Gore? More of your
charts?
>
> > of State could influence the outcome of the vote, nullifying the
difference
> > that thousands of other individuals could have made?
>
> No, it was a bunch of cronies working together--Bush has POWER AND
> MONEY, he has abused it and will have to reap what he has sewn.
The word you were looking for is "sown", mister double major with Ph.D.
clients. And yes, I agree with your statement here. Your assesment is not
unique and can be found among the non-astrological community.
>
> > > B) That when we give power to governmental institutions to take
> > > responsibility for things we are unwilling to, they may USURP power
> > > and take
> > > responsibility (or control of) things we may NOT want them to (Orion
> > > negativity).
>
> > Again, you are taking an long established social concept and attributing
it
> > to your *special* brand of astrology.
>
> No, it is simple psychology, you cannot give power to others out of
> laziness and then cry when they abuse it.
Simple psychology is all you've been trained to handle. Why not go for an
advanced psychology degree? At least then you could spout your babble with
a modicum of authority.
>
> > > These two issues will be the indicator of the beginning of the end of
> > > the US
> > > governmental structure (tactics) as we have known it, and a true
> > > republic
> > > will emerge. By 2012, the changes I have discussed will bring a
> > > dramatic
> > > paradigm shift of consciousness regarding our Galactic membership--the
> > > level
> > > of which--shall be determined by the integration of the necessary
> > > events
> > > from now until then."
>
> > Now that the Millennium has passed every new age huckster on the planet
has
>
> I never said anything about the Millenium except about the economic
> and religious restructuring:
> http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/saturn.htm
> Which I was ALSO correct about (Enron and the Catholic church).
Corporate fraud and clerical scandals were nothing new or unique to the
millenium. Just another example of your claiming special knowledge
concerning mundane events.
>
> > retreated to this mystic 2012 fallback position. I predict that by 2012
the
> > guru industry will have discovered another "sacred date", say 2026, at
which
> > point the collective consciousness will shift and we will live in
perfect
> > harmony with our galactic brothers.
>
> And I predict (someone who actually has accurate predictions under his
> belt) that you will be as wrong then and ineffectual as you have been
> here for the last however many years you have asserted your bigotry.
Be careful when you swing that "ineffectual" club, ed. We're still waiting
for your list of the hundreds of spinic accounts you have killed. I've
repeatedly challenged you to kill mine, yet here I am. We're still awaiting
the lawsuits, the smoking crater that will be Usenet, the castle and
airstrip, etc.
>
> > > What part of that do you find "inaccurate"?
>
> > Some parts are innarcurate as I have pointed out. Others can be easily
> > attributed to a casual observation of the American political system.
None
>
> The purpose of my work is to help inform and inspire others to do the
> integral thing and to take responsibility for their reality on all
> levels. I don't care what losers and bigots think.
Your responses indicate the contrary.
>
> > of it can be claimed as the direct result of an elevated spiritual
> > awareness.
>
> One thing is for sure, I have elevated far more than any spinic will.
Why doesn't it show in your postings?
>
> > Or do you have some other
> > > astrologers or psychics or ANYBODY ON THE PLANETs prediction that even
> > > came CLOSE to my accuracy that is DOCUMENTED so clearly as mine??
>
> > I can't. But then prophets are a dime a dozen. Just listen to just
about
> > any Art Bell program and you will hear the same type of prognosticator,
each
> > claiming the same imprimatur of mystical divination, each willing to
back up
> > their predictions with loads of supporting evidence. To keep track of
all
> > this noise would quickly become a life's work. Face it, ed. You may be
the
> > most amusing dancing pig at the Usenet County Fair but you are nothing
> > special in the real world.
>
> I see, and you are? Van Gogh was nothing in his time either,
I've seen your art pages. You are no Van Gogh.
but rest
> assured my legacy will endure
I'm sure it will. But your legacy is one of a blustering buffoon who has
made Usenet history through bullying and temper tantrums. Is that how you
want history to remember you?
>long after you grow some balls
Did the Wollmann Testicle Fund finally come through for ya?
> to post
> under a real identity and perhaps take the smallest responsibility for
> your meager reality.
I have posted under my real name, ed. I choose not to because of the
irrational sensiblities of people like you.
> Realism and idealism work hand in hand in my world, I have found a way
> to be what you can only hope of becoming.
I have no desire to become what you are, ed.
<snip inapplicable song lyrics>
Seth Bullock
Edmond Wollmann
> > Thank you.
There is no prediction of "THE" future, I have explained this many
times. Please research my posts more completely so you do not get
lost.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3847682884d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3440720C.4D57%40aznet.net&rnum=1
> > Because spinics are the only ones idiotic enough to actually assert
> > that some idiot might believe it means every person in the world who
> > read the post was going to have a "sword pierce their heart"???
> > Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
> > You call that an argument?? What ON EARTH ELSE could it mean to a
> > thinking person? That we were going to have 4 years of fun and
> > frolic????
> Your sword piercing prediction, when not used as a literal expression, is a
> vague statement that tells us little of value. Your explanation *now* of
> what you meant *then* is fairly detailed and far more specific. My
> question, the one you are avoiding, is why weren't you equally detailed and
> specific in the first place instead of using the sword analogy? Could you
I did not avoid it, there is NO PREDICTION of "THE" future--there is
NO SUCH THING, because we all have free will and much depends on the
choices of all involved, I simply read the energy and make a
prediction based on the MOST LIKELY EVENTS and "theme" to happen IF
everyone involved does not alter their beliefs. I do a pretty good job
of predicting (I predicted major quakes and other events very closely)
and you are criticising an impossible feat to begin with, with minutia
that is irrelevant only to bolster your bigotry and hatred of me and
try to "prove" what I do is meaningless-which you will never do.
> not foresee the criticism that would result from applying such a vague
> prediction to specific events?
This applies only in your small world egoism, where you strin at gnats
and swallow camels. It is not ABOUT me "proving things" egotistically,
it is about me being of service to NOTIFY others with my best
assessment of what they are creating as a collective reality and if
they don't prefer that likelyhood (not predetermined prediction) then
they MUST CHANGE it.
> > > > Also, and anyway, I predicted EXACTLY what his presidency would be all
> > > > about:
> > > I'm pretty sure "EXACTLY" is the wrong term to describe your prediction.
> > I'm not just pretty sure, but POSITIVE you are a spinic
> Ad hominem attack, Ed. Just thought I'd point that out since you seem to be
> blind to your own posting behavior.
I am blind to nothing YOU can "point out to me" because I am far more
aware than you will ever be judging by your momentum to be a cynic.
> >who can't even
> > post under a real identity because you are so aware of your own
> > bullshit.
> I can post under my real identity, and have in the past. I choose not to
> because people like you and Ray K. and Pete Stapleton fail to see Usenet for
> the sandbox that it is. I see no reason to take these pissing contests into
> my real world and I don't want to spend my hard earned money on attorney
This is an aspect of the REAL WORLD! There is no truth I tell here
that I would not tell to your face--on the other hand you spinics are
so out of integrity that you must hide as you lie, cheat and fabricate
to denigrate me.
I see, so in your warped mind there ARE reasons to hide even though
you are asserting you are in integrity??? NOT POSSIBLE. Why do I not
have to hide? How is it I can take thousands of harassing and
denigrating posts that are fjull of lies and misleading fabrications
and STILL maintain integrity and service, but you must hide?
> fees fighting some nuisance lawsuit. By the way, what was the outcome of
> your tort filing?
Irrelevant. If you are a part of my legal cases, you will know.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=The+Christmas+eclipse+of+2000&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=Se616.24291%24c32.5763270%40typhoon.san.rr.com&rnum=1
> > > > "The eclipse opposes the US Venus/Jupiter conjunction and is a signal
> > > > that
> > > > this new president is about to undo UNIFYING prosperity,
> > > It is my understanding that the economy showed signs of slowing prior to
> > > Bush's election. This prediction shows no more insight than that of of
> > > other voters who did not want Bush in office.
> > That's what the Republicans have brain washed you to believe.
> > Clinton's policies created 22 million jobs--more than ANY president in
> > the last 20 years.
> He was in office for eight years, Ed, plenty of time for the economy cycle
> from positive to negative. Were those jobs created at a constant rate for
> all eight years? Or were most created in his first six years, with the
> slide starting thereafter? Regardless, the point isn't who created more
> jobs. The point is was your prediction any more insightful than one made by
No, that is PRECISELY the point, because business is based on the
collective confidence of the buyers--the people. And the people are
moved or not by the undertones and overtones of the person they see as
their representative.
> the average non-astrologer who keeps track of economic indicators? I think
> not.
It is never about predictions, you along with other spinics are
short-sighted in this way, in the same way it is not about
astrological insight on natal charts that is the issue and astrologers
are typically short sighted in THAT way, it is WHAT A PERSON CAN DO
with the information provided. And as you can see, MOST people do
nothing. Just like you, you focus on minor irrelevant details that
CANNOT be predicted with confidence instead of using the information
in a positive way to understand the momentum being conveyed. That is
why I focus on self-empowerment, not "predictions." Which, like stock
market, medical, or any OTHER information base is irrelevant if you
don't have a plan ot IMPLEMENT said information.
> > > and lead us
> > > > into
> > > > foreign, legal, religious and economic conflict.
> > > Name a recent president who has not led us into foreign, legal,
> religious
> > > conflict. Not a very risky bet here.
> > Did you leave out economic purposely Mr. Disingenuous?
> Nope, just lost track of how many things we were talking about. My mistake.
> However, I had already asserted that the economy was showing signs of a
> slowdown by the time you made your prediction so I think I can be forgiven
> not addressing it again in this paragraph.
But our economy has NOT responded the way it has in the past, which
was to go through inflationary and expansion cycles.
> > Lincoln
> Did you ignore the term "recent president" purposely Mr. Disingenuous?
No recent president has lead us into religious conflict.
> and
> > many other Presidents did NOT lead us into foreign conflict,
> Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton did. That seems to cover most recent
> president's, don'tcha think?
None of them led us into religious conflict--this is IRRELEVANT, the
negativity of this president is UNPRECEDENTED, and you arguing that is
a sure sign of your speciousness.
> nor
> > religious,
> Bosnia was not a religious conflict? What newspapers do you read?
Of course, almost all conflicts are, but WE DID NOT CHOOSE a "right
and wrong", "axis of evil" idiotic judgment about it as this imbecile
has. This president invoking "GOD" as his guide is no different than
Osama invoking GOD and he is too STUPID to lead this country. The
creator of a 15 billion light years of space does not take IDIOTIC
sides of its own creation.
> many have had to lead us into legal and economic conflict
> > in order to correct the past presidents short-sightedness. There were
> > INFINITE events and issues that George W COULD have taken us into--I
> > was the ONLY person on the planet that I am aware of who so accurately
> > described EXACTLY WHAT. Except for those insiders who work with him to
> > abuse the power of the presidency and remain out of integrity.
> No, you stated generalities that pretty much every president must face these
> days. A specific prediction would have been "there will be a terrorist
> attack early in Bush's first term, in New York city, that will be so
> horrific that Bush will be compelled to destroy the terrorist camps in
> Afghanistan along with the religious regime that supports them. Bush will
> then use the terrorist threat argument and alleged WMD's as a pretext for
> invading Iraq." Now that would have been an EXACT prediction.
NOT POSSIBLE, by anyone on the planet EVER. Because we are NOT
predetermined and have no FATE either on the collective level or on
the personal level--and anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. I
argue just as much with the simpleton astrologers about this as I do
you spinics.
> > > Inflation is a very
> > > > high
> > > > probability.
> > > Again, not a very risky bet, yet you felt compelled to hedge by using
> > > probabilities here. Were you scared of the inflation pendulum swinging
> the
> > > wrong way?
> > If it wasn't for Greenspan keeping interest rates down, Bush WOULD
> > have sent us into the second great depression--but now that refinance
> > and mortgages have been exausted--that is exactly what is possible
> > now. I feel sorry for Kerry if he does win--what will he win? A GIANT
> > DESTROYED US GOVERNMENT.
> But that isn't what your prediction stated, Ed. You predicted very high
YOU are in a pissing contest all by yourself--I don't CARE if I got
details or not. That is IRRELEVANT. Except for your denigration
program.
You just don't get it, and I have little time to educate you, please
read my 7 years of posts about the nature of reality with an open mind
and sincere heart and maybe you will get some of it.
SNIP!
Today they cut and run out of Iraq because we were DEFEATED, all of
their propaganda is just that, we lost, were defeated and now the
chickens head home as I predicted (Saturn Return for George W.--look
it up)
He has not nor will he succeed in any way--Failures of the BUSH
agenda:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/28/scotus.enemy.combatants.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/28/iraq.main/index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/main541815.shtml
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them
better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives
valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again because there
is no effort without error and short-comings, who knows the great
devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows
in the end the high achievement of triumph and who at worst, if he
fails while daring greatly, knows his place shall never be with those
timid and cold souls who know neither victory nor defeat." THEODORE
ROOSEVELT, 26th U.S. President
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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>
> I did not avoid it, there is NO PREDICTION of "THE" future
Yes there is. Watch me, I'll give it a go. I hereby predict that you
will *never* :
1) Sue anyone
2) Post the list of accounts you claim I've lost
3) Produce evidence of my supposed Sekrit Identitiez
4) Stop whining about the Wollmannizer
5) Get any accounts closed other that your own
6) Stop being a misogynist pig
7) Stop being a plagiarizing fuckhole
8) Learn to reign in your rampant OCD/NPD issues
9) Stop trying to control unmoderated alt. groups
10) Have the ego security to admit when you're wrong
11) Stop needing to be validated by others on Usenet
12) Stop projecting your faults onto others
13) Take responsibility for your own actions
14) Submit a paper on your gravity / dinosaur 'theory' for peer review
15) Stop being such an all around ass-chancre for once in your
misbegotten life
If you do manage to do any of the above then my prediction will have
failed and I will join the rest of Usenet's failed seers like Trui,
S*ll*g, and ... well, *you*.
Fuckhead.
--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
I am a minion of Satan, but my powers are mainly administrative.
Hail the un-alive
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:40E0531F...@invalid.com:
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>>
>> I did not avoid it, there is NO PREDICTION of "THE" future
>
> Yes there is. Watch me, I'll give it a go. I hereby predict that you
> will *never* :
>
> 1) Sue anyone
> 2) Post the list of accounts you claim I've lost
> 3) Produce evidence of my supposed Sekrit Identitiez
> 4) Stop whining about the Wollmannizer
> 5) Get any accounts closed other that your own
> 6) Stop being a misogynist pig
> 7) Stop being a plagiarizing fuckhole
> 8) Learn to reign in your rampant OCD/NPD issues
> 9) Stop trying to control unmoderated alt. groups
> 10) Have the ego security to admit when you're wrong
> 11) Stop needing to be validated by others on Usenet
> 12) Stop projecting your faults onto others
> 13) Take responsibility for your own actions
> 14) Submit a paper on your gravity / dinosaur 'theory' for peer review
> 15) Stop being such an all around ass-chancre for once in your
> misbegotten life
16) Show up at PF Chang's with a police escort.
17) Have me thrown in jail like you promised.
18) Produce proof that I ever hacked Amazon.
19) Produce proof of a tort against SDSU
20) Stop lying so clumsily.
21) Stop being an asshole, misogynist and coward.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
"An award that you PAID FOR! 2nd place out of TWO BOOKS! That means
you won FIRST LOSER and LAST PLACE both at the same time!" - Edmo
the loser has to face the reality of his loserdom.
Spámster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
>>fees fighting some nuisance lawsuit. By the way, what was the outcome of
>>your tort filing?
>
>
> Irrelevant. If you are a part of my legal cases, you will know.
>
>
We already know the outcome, blowhard.
Kali
posted Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:50:01 -0600, Phoenix
eatd...@be.merry was in the mood to post and the following
gems of wisdom spewed forth...
:In article <cbplhi$qqf$2...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
: Cujo DeSockpuppet <cu...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
:
:> Dan Baldwin <dan_b...@invalid.com> wrote in
:22) Produce any objective evidence you were awarded any college diploma.
:23) Have any long-term relationship with an intelligent woman.
:24) Stop making a fool of yourself in public.
:25) Stop breaking the law.
26) Provide evidence of your original experimental research.
27) Provide evidence of your counseling qualifications.
28) Grow up.
--
Troika Woman
Peter Hood #4
Sekrit Agent
CARNIVORE/3.0
section 811(c).
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:MPG.1b4a3cf41...@news.east.earthlink.net:
29) Defeat anyone.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
""Screed"?, you mean my offer of service in astrological
writings that I also post in the proper groups--Because I am
EXTREMELY competant, I am able to carry 30 units, write
articles, date 25 year olds, kill spinics accounts, do artworks
of high calibur, and read 10 books at a time. Where do
Dan Baldwin
31) Figure out how to use commas and/or hyphens.
Flash Bazbo
Note that nowhere in this thread have I used the phrase "predicting the
future". I, like you, have referred to your heart piercing statement as
simply a "prediction".
> > > Because spinics are the only ones idiotic enough to actually assert
> > > that some idiot might believe it means every person in the world who
> > > read the post was going to have a "sword pierce their heart"???
> > > Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
> > > You call that an argument?? What ON EARTH ELSE could it mean to a
> > > thinking person? That we were going to have 4 years of fun and
> > > frolic????
>
> > Your sword piercing prediction, when not used as a literal expression,
is a
> > vague statement that tells us little of value. Your explanation *now*
of
> > what you meant *then* is fairly detailed and far more specific. My
> > question, the one you are avoiding, is why weren't you equally detailed
and
> > specific in the first place instead of using the sword analogy? Could
you
>
> I did not avoid it, there is NO PREDICTION of "THE" future--there is
> NO SUCH THING, because we all have free will and much depends on the
> choices of all involved, I simply read the energy and make a
> prediction based on the MOST LIKELY EVENTS and "theme" to happen IF
> everyone involved does not alter their beliefs.
Apparently you were heavy on theme and light on most likely events in this
prediction. Hell, I might even have respected you a little bit if you had
mentioned a few likely events. Even if they didn't come to pass at least
you would have shown some cajones. Your use of a theme may be appropriate
for the senior prom (had you finished high school) but is useless as a
predictive tool.
I do a pretty good job
> of predicting (I predicted major quakes and other events very closely)
> and you are criticising an impossible feat to begin with, with minutia
> that is irrelevant only to bolster your bigotry and hatred of me and
> try to "prove" what I do is meaningless-which you will never do.
If your past predictions were also themes then I have no doubt you could
claim all sorts of hits. Let me try one.
THE OWL FLIES IN SILENCE.
Check back with me in four years and I'll let you know how well I did.
>
> > not foresee the criticism that would result from applying such a vague
> > prediction to specific events?
>
> This applies only in your small world egoism, where you strin at gnats
> and swallow camels. It is not ABOUT me "proving things" egotistically,
> it is about me being of service to NOTIFY others with my best
> assessment of what they are creating as a collective reality and if
> they don't prefer that likelyhood (not predetermined prediction) then
> they MUST CHANGE it.
But it *is* about you proving things egotistically and your statement here
proves it. You have just said that if we don't prefer the reality *you*
present then we MUST CHANGE it. Why are you limiting the possibilities to
US CHANGING? Isn't it just as likely that your best assessment is really
not that useful and we, recognizing your poor predictive abilities, continue
to live our lives blissfully ignoring that plaintive wailing sound emanating
the general direction of San Diego?
>
> > > > > Also, and anyway, I predicted EXACTLY what his presidency would be
all
> > > > > about:
>
> > > > I'm pretty sure "EXACTLY" is the wrong term to describe your
prediction.
>
> > > I'm not just pretty sure, but POSITIVE you are a spinic
>
> > Ad hominem attack, Ed. Just thought I'd point that out since you seem
to be
> > blind to your own posting behavior.
>
> I am blind to nothing YOU can "point out to me" because I am far more
> aware than you will ever be judging by your momentum to be a cynic.
I pointed out your misuse of the word "sewn". Granted it was a lame
vocabulary flame on my part but it was something to which you were
apparently blind. If your expanded awareness is incapable mastering
something as basic as your native language imagine how badly it is
butchering the complexities of the Universe.
>
> > >who can't even
> > > post under a real identity because you are so aware of your own
> > > bullshit.
>
> > I can post under my real identity, and have in the past. I choose not
to
> > because people like you and Ray K. and Pete Stapleton fail to see Usenet
for
> > the sandbox that it is. I see no reason to take these pissing contests
into
> > my real world and I don't want to spend my hard earned money on attorney
>
> This is an aspect of the REAL WORLD! There is no truth I tell here
> that I would not tell to your face
As evidenced by the P.F. Chang's episode?
--on the other hand you spinics are
> so out of integrity that you must hide as you lie, cheat and fabricate
> to denigrate me.
> I see, so in your warped mind there ARE reasons to hide even though
> you are asserting you are in integrity??? NOT POSSIBLE. Why do I not
> have to hide? How is it I can take thousands of harassing and
> denigrating posts that are fjull of lies and misleading fabrications
> and STILL maintain integrity and service, but you must hide?
I remain anonymous because you and your ilk® show no sense of proportion or
restraint in you internet escapades. Oh, and also to avoid spam.
>
> > fees fighting some nuisance lawsuit. By the way, what was the outcome
of
> > your tort filing?
>
> Irrelevant. If you are a part of my legal cases, you will know.
You have claimed that you would not rest until every last spinic is behind
bars. That makes it relevant to me. And apparently none of us here on
Usenet are part of your legal cases since none of us know of any pending
action. That leads me to ask just how many people outside of Usenet are
suing you?
This thread is about your prediction, its correlation to actual events, and
whether a reasonably astute non-astrologer could have done just as well.
Please try to pay attention.
>
> > the average non-astrologer who keeps track of economic indicators? I
think
> > not.
>
> It is never about predictions, you along with other spinics are
> short-sighted in this way,
Sheesh.
in the same way it is not about
> astrological insight on natal charts that is the issue and astrologers
> are typically short sighted in THAT way, it is WHAT A PERSON CAN DO
> with the information provided. And as you can see, MOST people do
> nothing. Just like you, you focus on minor irrelevant details that
> CANNOT be predicted with confidence instead of using the information
> in a positive way to understand the momentum being conveyed. That is
> why I focus on self-empowerment, not "predictions." Which, like stock
> market, medical, or any OTHER information base is irrelevant if you
> don't have a plan ot IMPLEMENT said information.
But the information you supplied was useless as a guidepost for future
action.
>
> > > > and lead us
> > > > > into
> > > > > foreign, legal, religious and economic conflict.
>
> > > > Name a recent president who has not led us into foreign, legal,
> > religious
> > > > conflict. Not a very risky bet here.
>
> > > Did you leave out economic purposely Mr. Disingenuous?
>
> > Nope, just lost track of how many things we were talking about. My
mistake.
> > However, I had already asserted that the economy was showing signs of a
> > slowdown by the time you made your prediction so I think I can be
forgiven
> > not addressing it again in this paragraph.
>
> But our economy has NOT responded the way it has in the past, which
> was to go through inflationary and expansion cycles.
What's your point? How does this relate to the question of whether your
astrology is a better predictive tool than a study of conventional economi
indicators?
>
> > > Lincoln
>
> > Did you ignore the term "recent president" purposely Mr. Disingenuous?
>
> No recent president has lead us into religious conflict.
Reagan in Lebanon, Clinton in Bosnia.
>
> > and
> > > many other Presidents did NOT lead us into foreign conflict,
>
> > Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton did. That seems to cover most recent
> > president's, don'tcha think?
>
> None of them led us into religious conflict
You contradict yourself about 10 lines down from here.
>--this is IRRELEVANT, the
> negativity of this president is UNPRECEDENTED, and you arguing that is
> a sure sign of your speciousness.
We are debating issues that you use to support the validity of your "stabbed
hearts" prediction. How can that be IRRELEVANT? The items in this section
are the benchmark issues you are using to measure the extent of Bush's
UNPRECEDENTED negativity.
>
> > nor
> > > religious,
>
> > Bosnia was not a religious conflict? What newspapers do you read?
>
> Of course, almost all conflicts are, but WE DID NOT CHOOSE a "right
> and wrong", "axis of evil" idiotic judgment about it as this imbecile
> has. This president invoking "GOD" as his guide is no different than
> Osama invoking GOD and he is too STUPID to lead this country. The
> creator of a 15 billion light years of space does not take IDIOTIC
> sides of its own creation.
This is starting to stray from the central issue so I'll just ask you to
name a single president who has not invoked God as his guide?
>
> > many have had to lead us into legal and economic conflict
> > > in order to correct the past presidents short-sightedness. There were
> > > INFINITE events and issues that George W COULD have taken us into--I
> > > was the ONLY person on the planet that I am aware of who so accurately
> > > described EXACTLY WHAT. Except for those insiders who work with him to
> > > abuse the power of the presidency and remain out of integrity.
>
> > No, you stated generalities that pretty much every president must face
these
> > days. A specific prediction would have been "there will be a terrorist
> > attack early in Bush's first term, in New York city, that will be so
> > horrific that Bush will be compelled to destroy the terrorist camps in
> > Afghanistan along with the religious regime that supports them. Bush
will
> > then use the terrorist threat argument and alleged WMD's as a pretext
for
> > invading Iraq." Now that would have been an EXACT prediction.
>
> NOT POSSIBLE, by anyone on the planet EVER. Because we are NOT
> predetermined and have no FATE either on the collective level or on
> the personal level--and anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. I
> argue just as much with the simpleton astrologers about this as I do
> you spinics.
Then why do you claim a remarbly accurate predictive ability when you belive
it to be impossible?
>
> > > > Inflation is a very
> > > > > high
> > > > > probability.
>
> > > > Again, not a very risky bet, yet you felt compelled to hedge by
using
> > > > probabilities here. Were you scared of the inflation pendulum
swinging
> > the
> > > > wrong way?
>
> > > If it wasn't for Greenspan keeping interest rates down, Bush WOULD
> > > have sent us into the second great depression--but now that refinance
> > > and mortgages have been exausted--that is exactly what is possible
> > > now. I feel sorry for Kerry if he does win--what will he win? A GIANT
> > > DESTROYED US GOVERNMENT.
>
> > But that isn't what your prediction stated, Ed. You predicted very high
>
> YOU are in a pissing contest all by yourself
No, I'm pissing on your leg. It is remarkably easy to hit the target and
you are powerless to stop it.
>--I don't CARE if I got
> details or not. That is IRRELEVANT.
In the prognostication game details are everything.
> Except for your denigration
> program.
> You just don't get it, and I have little time to educate you, please
> read my 7 years of posts about the nature of reality with an open mind
> and sincere heart and maybe you will get some of it.
>
> SNIP!
That, ladies and gentlemen, is the sound Ed makes as he takes the ball runs
home in a huff.
>
> Today they cut and run out of Iraq because we were DEFEATED, all of
> their propaganda is just that, we lost, were defeated and now the
> chickens head home as I predicted (Saturn Return for George W.--look
> it up)
> He has not nor will he succeed in any way
You know, ed, I think Teddy Roosevelt described this last statement best
when he said ""It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out
how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them
better."
Perhaps you should channel your impotent anger and frustration into
something more tangible than nonsensical predictions about Bush's
presidency. Why help out a voter registration campaign? Just don't tell
them you were an astrologer a 1000 times in Babylon.
Dan Baldwin
>
> "Edmond Wollmann" <alcha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:35325a08.0406...@posting.google.com...
> > aware than you will ever be judging by your momentum to be a cynic.
>
> I pointed out your misuse of the word "sewn". Granted it was a lame
> vocabulary flame on my part but it was something to which you were
> apparently blind. If your expanded awareness is incapable mastering
> something as basic as your native language imagine how badly it is
> butchering the complexities of the Universe.
I can not help but agree with this post.
Bob Chipeska
> > Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton did. That seems to cover most recent
> > president's, don'tcha think?
>
> None of them led us into religious conflict--
Hello? Anyone home?
What was that whole Bosnia thing about? You remember. That war where we went
in and bombed the living shit out of a whole bunch of people without getting
UN approval. And I seem to recall an incident with Reagan ordering US
Marines into Beirut and a whole bunch of our boys getting killed.
Why do you constantly make claims that are patently false?
Edmond Wollmann
"Monks and scholars should accept my word not out of respect, but upon
analyzing it as a goldsmith analyzes gold; through cutting melting,
scraping and rubbing it." Buddha
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:35325a08.04071...@posting.google.com:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl774388925d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-
> 8&selm=35325a08.0404090831.197c52cd%40posting.google.com
>
> "Monks and scholars should accept my word not out of respect, but upon
> analyzing it as a goldsmith analyzes gold; through cutting melting,
> scraping and rubbing it." Buddha
Your abortion of verbiage has has numerous D&C's[1] done upon it, kook.
It's all half-formed ideas that aren't viable.
For the sake of further laughs at the expense of your stupidity, let's
examine a few of them:
"What sort of idiots would allow a person of his low intelligence to
use the resources of the US for such a imbecilic motive and issue at
the cost of all else?"
What sort of idiot claims that you can create your own reality and whines
about it being everyone else's fault?
You.
"We will delineate all the way up to his critical period in June of
2004, when impulse and defensiveness will reign, and a loss of control
of information cover-up will allow the propaganda machine to crumble."
So what happened, asshole?
You delineated nothing.
How does it feel to create a reality where you're powerless, incompetant
and incoherent?
So when is this "Excalibur-like blow" going to fall, Eddieeeeeeee?
[1] dilation and curettage.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
"Should I notify the police thaqt a gay stalker freak has been
stalking me for years on end? I don't know you, find something else
to do or get a boyfriend. Comprende?" - Ed the paranoid homophobe.
Spámster
Olaf Krugre
news:35325a08.04071...@posting.google.com:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl774388925d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-
> 8&selm=35325a08.0404090831.197c52cd%40posting.google.com
>
> "Monks and scholars should <\0/>
smoke what I'm smoking..."
Seth Bullock
"Monks and scholars should accept my word not out of respect, but
as the lunatic rantings of a raving buffoon.
Right Sock
news:35325a08.04071...@posting.google.com:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl774388925d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-
> 8&selm=35325a08.0404090831.197c52cd%40posting.google.com
>
> "Monks and scholars should accept my word not out of respect, but upon
> analyzing it as a goldsmith analyzes gold; through cutting melting,
> scraping and rubbing it." Buddha
>
> Edmond H. Wollmann
There must be something in New Mexico's water supply. Either Ed is drunk
or he's having more pronounced delusions than usual.
Dan Baldwin
>
> "Monks and scholars
think that endlessly following up to one's own posts on Usenet is a sure
sign of insanity. By way of example they would like to introduce you to
Edmo "OCD/NPD" Wollmann.
Chris Krolczyk
(Link o' Screed deleted)
Dekookified:
> "Morons and simpleton should accept my word not out of respect, but upon
> realizing that I am one of their kind; through spamming, screeding,
> whining and posting bilge." -Edmo
> Edmond H. Wollmann P.I.N.H.E.A.D.
> © 2004 Arsehole Publications, SNUH 299-5603
> Asshological Consulting http://www.asshologicalconsulting.com/
> Plagiarism http://www.asshologicalconsulting.com/plagiariasm/
> http://home.dipshit.net/~edmoisafreakandisproudofit/
-Chris "Whither the Cancelmoose?" Krolczyk
Edmond Wollmann
> On 10 Jul 2004, alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) posted some
> news:35325a08.04071...@posting.google.com:
> > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl774388925d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=35325a08.0404090831.197c52cd%40posting.google.com
> > "Monks and scholars should accept my word not out of respect, but upon
> > analyzing it as a goldsmith analyzes gold; through cutting melting,
> > scraping and rubbing it." Buddha
> or he's having more pronounced delusions than usual.
You spinics obviously did not read the information provided in the
link:
"We will delineate (George W. Bush' chart) all the way up to his
critical period in June of 2004, when impulse and defensiveness will
reign, and a loss of control of information cover-up will allow the
propaganda machine to crumble."
What part of that prediction do you all find incorrect? You have all
forgotten, you were focusing on Saddam and the rightness of the war,
whilst I had already predicted the frauds misleading of the American
people and that "all of our fears will be played out unflattetringly"
the NIGHT HE WAS ELECTED.
"Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance."
- Will Durant
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
Spámster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
> You spinics obviously did not read the information provided in the
> link:
>
Why would anyone want to read your screed, OCDboi?
wollma...@spam.free
http://www.nocem.org/
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Jim Phillips
> Right Sock <noton...@mailbox.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9523F401D1...@64.0.17.11>...
> > On 10 Jul 2004, alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) posted some
> > news:35325a08.04071...@posting.google.com:
>
> > > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl774388925d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=35325a08.0404090831.197c52cd%40posting.google.com
>
> > > "Monks and scholars should accept my word not out of respect, but upon
> > > analyzing it as a goldsmith analyzes gold; through cutting melting,
> > > scraping and rubbing it." Buddha
>
> > There must be something in New Mexico's water supply. Either Ed is drunk
> > or he's having more pronounced delusions than usual.
>
> You spinics obviously did not read the information provided in the
> link:
"Bush will lose" -- Eddy the failed prophet/profit.
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"Insurgents are blowing up pipelines and police stations, geysers of sewage
are erupting from the streets, and the electricity is off most of the time,
but we've given Iraq the gift of supply-side economics." -- Paul Krugman
Cujo DeSockpuppet
> Right Sock <noton...@mailbox.net> wrote in message
> news:<Xns9523F401D1...@64.0.17.11>...
>> On 10 Jul 2004, alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) posted some
>> news:35325a08.04071...@posting.google.com:
>
>> > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl774388925d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=U
>> > TF-8&selm=35325a08.0404090831.197c52cd%40posting.google.com
>
>> > "Monks and scholars should accept my word not out of respect, but
>> > upon analyzing it as a goldsmith analyzes gold; through cutting
>> > melting, scraping and rubbing it." Buddha
>
>> There must be something in New Mexico's water supply. Either Ed is
>> drunk or he's having more pronounced delusions than usual.
>
> You spinics obviously did not read the information provided in the
> link:
> "We will delineate (George W. Bush' chart) all the way up to his
> critical period in June of 2004, when impulse and defensiveness will
> reign, and a loss of control of information cover-up will allow the
> propaganda machine to crumble."
>
> What part of that prediction
What prediction, kook? Nothing specific there, you asshole.
> do you all find incorrect? You have all
> forgotten, you were focusing on Saddam and the rightness of the war,
> whilst I had already predicted the frauds misleading of the American
> people and that "all of our fears will be played out unflattetringly"
Incoherence noted, dipshit.
> the NIGHT HE WAS ELECTED.
Which you predicted wouldn't happen, dumbfuck.
I'd suggest you try a better argument. You've been failing with that one
for 3.5 years, fuckhole.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
"I won long ago. They just don't realize its over." - Ed wins another
important court decision in the Court of Kookiness and Delusion.
Fritz Wuehler
SPNAK!!1!!
Seth Bullock
> Right Sock <noton...@mailbox.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9523F401D1...@64.0.17.11>...
>
>>On 10 Jul 2004, alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) posted some
>>news:35325a08.04071...@posting.google.com:
>
>
>
>>>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl774388925d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=35325a08.0404090831.197c52cd%40posting.google.com
>
>
>
>>>"Monks and scholars should accept my word not out of respect, but upon
>>>analyzing it as a goldsmith analyzes gold; through cutting melting,
>>>scraping and rubbing it." Buddha
>
>
>
>>There must be something in New Mexico's water supply. Either Ed is drunk
>>or he's having more pronounced delusions than usual.
>
>
> You spinics obviously did not read the information provided
Of course not, Ed, you freak. You've established yourself as such zany
buffoon that no one takes anything you say seriously.
Chris Krolczyk
> Right Sock <noton...@mailbox.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9523F401D1...@64.0.17.11>...
> > On 10 Jul 2004, alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) posted some
> > news:35325a08.04071...@posting.google.com:
>
> > > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl774388925d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=35325a08.0404090831.197c52cd%40posting.google.com
>
> > > "Monks and scholars should accept my word not out of respect, but upon
> > > analyzing it as a goldsmith analyzes gold; through cutting melting,
> > > scraping and rubbing it." Buddha
>
> > There must be something in New Mexico's water supply. Either Ed is drunk
> > or he's having more pronounced delusions than usual.
>
> You spinics obviously did not read the information provided in the
> link:
Information? Heh. Here's your "information":
> "We will delineate (George W. Bush' chart) all the way up to his
> critical period in June of 2004, when impulse and defensiveness will
> reign, and a loss of control of information cover-up will allow the
> propaganda machine to crumble."
Oh, "information" means "stating the obvious by pouring all sorts
of astrological gibberish over it to disguise the fact". Big whoop.
> What part of that prediction do you all find incorrect? You have all
> forgotten, you were focusing on Saddam and the rightness of the war,
> whilst I had already predicted the frauds misleading of the American
> people and that "all of our fears will be played out unflattetringly"
> the NIGHT HE WAS ELECTED.
So Dubya is a shitty president. You're a shitty everything *else*,
which means that you two should get a room. Fair enough?
-Chris Krolczyk
Jim Phillips
> In article <c743abb.04071...@posting.google.com>,
> Chris Krolczyk <chrisk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >So Dubya is a shitty president. You're a shitty everything *else*,
> >which means that you two should get a room. Fair enough?
>
> Gawk! What if they breed??????????????
Just because Eddy doesn't have any balls doesn't mean he has to
have a uterus.
Jim Phillips
> In article <cd1db2$3ub$0...@pita.alt.net>,
> Seth Bullock <se...@ydeadwoodsdhardware.net> wrote:
>
> >Of course not, Ed, you freak. You've established yourself as
> >such zany buffoon that no one takes anything you say seriously.
>
> Nobody? Not even the raytard?
Lapdogs don't count.
Edmond Wollmann
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/22/911.report/index.html
"Your government has failed you"...
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl492641421d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=d_q8c.301880%24B81.4503735%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
"The
eclipse squares George W. Bush's Neptune in house 3 from house 5
reinforcing
the above mentioned issues, especially foreign, which are NOT LIKE
they were
when his father used old beliefs to stir the American populace to
punish
children in Iraq as a propaganda ploy to unite us in a mission. We are
becoming one world united, and this cannot be stopped. This president
will
learn through this co-created (by both the populace and him) powerless
position, that changing one's own beliefs and unifying and DEVELOPING
one's
beliefs is far more powerful than trying to force one's own on
others--be it
country or person. His Sun/Moon fall on the US' own defensive and
insecure
Sun/Saturn square. All of our fears as a nation will now be
unflatteringly
played out--which is another necessary element (along with the Clinton
scandal) to destructurize the delusional beliefs the populace holds
that
these people wo serve are somehow "better" than those they serve. This
president is the symbol of my prediction of the momentum of the
collectivity
to take back power from the government in ways I have previously
outlined
(the first on television in 1991) the first issue being:
A) The evidence that every SINGLE person makes a difference in the
creation
of the world belief and world reality as evidenced in the vote
counting.
B) That when we give power to governmental institutions to take
responsibility for things we are unwilling to, they may USURP power
and take
responsibility (or control of) things we may NOT want them to (Orion
negativity).
These two issues will be the indicator of the beginning of the end of
the US
governmental structure (tactics) as we have known it, and a true
republic
will emerge. By 2012, the changes I have discussed will bring a
dramatic
paradigm shift of consciousness regarding our Galactic membership--the
level
of which--shall be determined by the integration of the necessary
events
from now until then.
Edmond Wollmann, 12/23/2000, documented for all to see.
alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) wrote in message news:<35325a08.04071...@posting.google.com>...
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Flash Bazbo
wrote:
> And where does the "buck stop" in this administration?
<snip>
Give it up, ed. You didn't predict anything near what has actually
happened to this administration. Your continued flogging of this topic is
just plain pathetic.
EHWollmann
>Message-id: <opsbjwk2...@64-48-236-144-dal-01.cvx.algx.net>
><snip>
I predicted it 100% accurately. Where is your prediction Mr. Flash Bazbo? Or is
that your real name Mr. Coward?
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(C) 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
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Dan Baldwin
>
> And where does the "buck stop" in this admi<PAF>
And where does the "screed stop" from your keyboard, spammer?
Dan Baldwin
EHWollmann wrote:
>
> >From: "Flash Bazbo" asd...@ssafasdf.dcg
>
> >Message-id: <opsbjwk2...@64-48-236-144-dal-01.cvx.algx.net>
>
> >On 22 Jul 2004 10:32:47 -0700, Edmond Wollmann <alcha...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >> And where does the "buck stop" in this administration?
>
> ><snip>
>
> >Give it up, ed. You didn't predict anything near what has actually
> >happened to this administration. Your continued flogging of this topic is
> >just plain pathetic.
>
> I predicted i<slap>
I predicted you would act like a complete pussy and be unable to present
any evidence of the multiple accounts you've claimed I've lost, or any
proof of the multiple Sekrit Identitiez you claim I have.
No astrology, tarot cards, augury, or other acts of divination were
needed. I just looked at your past as a cowardly, bilious fuckstain and
figured you'd stay the same way. Lo and behold, I was right.
Flash Bazbo
>> From: "Flash Bazbo" asd...@ssafasdf.dcg
>
>> Message-id: <opsbjwk2...@64-48-236-144-dal-01.cvx.algx.net>
>
>> On 22 Jul 2004 10:32:47 -0700, Edmond Wollmann <alcha...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> And where does the "buck stop" in this administration?
>
>> <snip>
>
>> Give it up, ed. You didn't predict anything near what has actually
>> happened to this administration. Your continued flogging of this topic
>> is
>> just plain pathetic.
I noticed you trimmed the headers, ed. I'll just replace those groups
since you deemed this thread to be on topic there.
>
> I predicted it 100% accurately.
In this what you tell your Ph.D. clients? If they believe that line they
need to have their credentials revoked by whatever internet diploma mill
from which they graduated.
> Where is your prediction Mr. Flash Bazbo?
I'll type this slowly just for you, ed. I have made no predictions
concerning the Bush presidency. I have expressed my opinion that GWB
would be a disaster as president, which in hindsight was a lot more
specific than your wacky "sword will pierce their hearts" nonsense. I
arrived at that opinion without benefit of any astrological or channelled
resources. I also am not so vainglorious as to proclaim that I was alone
in that opinion. Do you understand my point, ed? Or should I break out
the hand puppets?
> Or is that your real name Mr. Coward?
If you had an ounce of brain matter you would be able to discover my real
name. Besides, I'm not the one who quivers in terror at the sight of crab
wontons.
Cujo LeSockpuppet
news:20040722143839...@mb-m04.aol.com:
>>From: "Flash Bazbo" asd...@ssafasdf.dcg
>
>>Message-id: <opsbjwk2...@64-48-236-144-dal-01.cvx.algx.net>
>
>>On 22 Jul 2004 10:32:47 -0700, Edmond Wollmann <alcha...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>
>>> And where does the "buck stop" in this administration?
>
>><snip>
>
>>Give it up, ed. You didn't predict anything near what has actually
>>happened to this administration. Your continued flogging of this
>>topic is just plain pathetic.
>
> I predicted it 100% accurately.
You predicted nothing. By your logic you also predicted Gore to win.
> Where is your prediction Mr. Flash Bazbo?
Just because you're stupid enough to make predictions doesn't mean that
everyone else should be just as stupid as you. He never claimed he made
any predictions either, kook.
While we're talking about predictions, I'd love to know about your
earthquake predictions for California that you never mention anymore.
You know the one where you took a 12 day window for the *week* you
predicted an earthquake and none actually happened?
How about your prediction that February of 2002 you would have me in
court?
How about Nymmie paying you damages 6 years ago?
> Or is that your real name Mr. Coward?
Whatever you say, Mr. Ingram.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
"I am entertaining, but not as a clown, but as a thinker who forces
others to think." - Edmo on a pre-meltdown rant.
Spámster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> And where does the "buck stop" in this administration?
Where do the delusions stop in your reality?
Spámster
EHWollmann wrote:
>
>>Give it up, ed. You didn't predict anything near what has actually
>>happened to this administration. Your continued flogging of this topic is
>>just plain pathetic.
>
>
> I predicted it 100% accurately.
And we all predicted that nobody would ever see a lawsuit.
Jim Phillips
> >From: "Flash Bazbo" asd...@ssafasdf.dcg
>
> >Message-id: <opsbjwk2...@64-48-236-144-dal-01.cvx.algx.net>
>
> >On 22 Jul 2004 10:32:47 -0700, Edmond Wollmann <alcha...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >> And where does the "buck stop" in this administration?
>
> ><snip>
>
> >Give it up, ed. You didn't predict anything near what has actually
> >happened to this administration. Your continued flogging of this topic is
> >just plain pathetic.
>
> I predicted it 100% accurately.
"Bush will lose" -- Eddy Wollmann's prediction about the 2000
election.
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
There is one terrifying word in the world of nuclear physics: Oops.
Chris Krolczyk
> >From: "Flash Bazbo" asd...@ssafasdf.dcg
>
> >Message-id: <opsbjwk2...@64-48-236-144-dal-01.cvx.algx.net>
>
> >On 22 Jul 2004 10:32:47 -0700, Edmond Wollmann <alcha...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >> And where does the "buck stop" in this administration?
>
> ><snip>
>
> >Give it up, ed. You didn't predict anything near what has actually
> >happened to this administration. Your continued flogging of this topic is
> >just plain pathetic.
>
> I predicted it 100% accurately.
As usual, Edmo misses the point.
I much as I despise Dubya, the reason why he's knee-deep in shit
has nothing to do with *your* predictions, based as they are on
the usual astrokookical twaddle you pass off as "counseling".
> Where is your prediction Mr. Flash Bazbo?
Where did it say he has to have one, Ms. Pantyhead?
Is Flash claiming to be an astrologer?
If yes, feel free to post the headers to the post
for this claim.
If not, do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
> Or is
> that your real name Mr. Coward?
Howzabout you, "Al"?
-Chris Krolczyk
Seth Bullock
> And where does the "buck stop" in this administration?
>
Why? Hoping for more food stamps?
Seth Bullock
>>From: "Flash Bazbo" asd...@ssafasdf.dcg
>
>
>>Message-id: <opsbjwk2...@64-48-236-144-dal-01.cvx.algx.net>
>
>
>>On 22 Jul 2004 10:32:47 -0700, Edmond Wollmann <alcha...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>
>
>>>And where does the "buck stop" in this administration?
>
>
>><snip>
>
>
>>Give it up, ed. You didn't predict anything near what has actually
>>happened to this administration. Your continued flogging of this topic is
>>just plain pathetic.
>
>
> I predicted it 100% accurately.
No, you didn't, you fucking liar.
You even predicted that Bush would lose. He won.
Seth Bullock
Nowhere! ;-)
Dr_Postman
wrote:
>In article <35325a08.04072...@posting.google.com>, Edmond Wollmann
>says...
>>
>>And where does the "buck stop" in this administration?
>
>I'll venture a serious guess - Douglas Feith?
Eddie won't have a clue about him.
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com
"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.
Edmond Wollmann
And my prediction that his downfall will be complete at Saturn return,
is now a given.
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/chart_display.htm
Kerry will defeat Bush, after the (computer) election fraud that is
sure to arise is discovered (US SR progressed moon conjunct Neptune).
But before this, mid-August will bring the defining perpetration of
fraud that will mark this president historically.
Spámster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> alcha...@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) wrote in message news:<35325a08.04072...@posting.google.com>...
How does it serve you to reply to yourself, freak?