Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: ehwollm...@aol.com (EHWollmann)
Date: 2000/07/27
Subject: Re: Retrograde planets in natal chart
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>On 11 Jul 2000 19:32:29 GMT, ehwollm...@aol.com (EHWollmann) wrote: That is because believing is seeing. You believe thus, hence you "see it". >>Astrology reflects the path you are. It does not affect the path you are. >JEFF SAYS: Are you saying planetary and mundane angle transits to >natal planets and angles do not affect us ? I have to disagree. I see >such effects every day. Do you have any education in psychology and the workings of the unconscious? Or do you believe you are different from the rest of society and don't have one? So you believe yourself separate from the unbroken wholeness of the "ALL THAT IS"? (the Uni-verse or Multi-verse whichever you prefer). It is this type of belief that is SATURNIAN. Please see: http://astroconsulting.com/FAQs/neptune.htm Are you saying that the fish in the ocean is "affected" by the ocean? Or is it > In my life, and in the lives of others around Ah, ah! You cannot create others versions of what they see and experience in >me, their reality. This is YOUR version of what you BELIEVE and wish to believe is true ABOUT their version. This is a fallacious defective illogical argument as well: "Hasty generalization" is a fallacy that affects inductive generalizations....an inductive generalization is an argument that draws a conclusion about all members of a group from evidence that pertains to a selected example. The fallacy occurs when there is a reasonable likelihood that the sample is not representative of the group. Such a likelihood is likely if the sample is either too small or not randomly selected." Logic, Hurley, 4th edition, 1991. >there is abundent observable evidence of life changes (path I see, where is this evidence? >changes) seemingly directly caused by planetary hits to natal and >planetary angles and planets. I see that it CORREALATES to my version of experiences I create in my life synchronistically. But this is NOT evidence that externals are "affecting me". In order to make causal statements with regard to correlations one must You have no evidence for any of the above. If you do, please cite it. Correlations do not imply explanation or proof of affect. A correlation is a > Those are what the study of astrology Astrology allows us to better understand how we create our reality by looking >enables us to access. into the MIRROR of astrological significators. Does a mirror "cause" your hair to need combing? You are not thinking clearly. Woodenheaded thinking="assessing a situation in terms of preconceived fixed >>Retrogrades reflect the concept of reassessment of concepts. It has no value to begin with. The universe has no built-in meaning we GIVE it >JEFF SAYS: How can our perception of a planet's direction change that >planet's astrological value ? meaning by what we believe or have been taught to believe is true. Backtracking--we have over MILLIONS of years have GIVEN the IMPLIED value to "mean" (significance is real or implied): Reassess. Retrace, rehash, reintegrate.... > We respond to the astrological energy Ah, ah! Please present some evidence for this "astrological energy." This is >of the planet, another fallacious defective assertion: "Begging the question" occurs when an arguer uses some form of phraseology that tends to conceal the questionably true character of a key premise. If the reader or the listener is deceived into thinking that a key premise is true, he or she will accept the argument as sound, when in fact, it may not be." Hurley 1991, 4th edition, Logic. > not to our concept of that energy. WRONG!!!!! We create our ENTIRE experiential reality by what WE BELIEVE AND DEFINE IT TO BE or have been TAUGHT to believe it is. All assertions are CONSTRUCTS to EXPLAIN our experiences of reality--INCLUDING science, they do not = "THE TRUTH". The only ONE truth is that THE truth is the composition of ALL TRUTHS. "It is the theory that determines WHAT we can observe." Albert Einstein > Just as we respond We naturally reflect the unbroken wholeness of the ALL of which WITHIN THAT >to the difference of the presence or absense of the sun, as in night >and day, WHOLE, we are one of the ways it has of expressing itself as ONE THING (Uranus) not separate, limiting, affecting, "things" (Saturn illusion). Constructs are SATURNIAN. "I am able to prove," wrote the great German mathematician, Leibnitz "Thus gradually philosophers and scientists arrived at the startling "All the choir of heaven and furniture of earth, in a word all those "Just as there is no such thing as color without an eye to discern it, so an "Common sense is actually nothing more than a deposit of predjudices laid down "In mans brief tenancy on earth he egocentrically orders events in his "The physicist has no need of the flow of time or the now in the world of "In short, the world is not a collection of separate but coupled THINGS; rather "The common division of the world into subject and object, inner world > so to we respond to the vibration set up by each of the "Setting up" is a Saturnian perspective. We ARE them, one level reflecting back >planets, to another while experiencing the ILLUSION of time/space that ALLOWS the apparent externalization of ourselves as "other" things. > regardless of their appearant direction of travel. Herd! :-))) >The human herd has evolved to respond this way. >We do not consciously You always have a choice in reality to choose anything. LIFE is a configuration >respond to the astrological quality of the planets. We do so >innately, without thought, without consideration. You speak as if we >had a choice in the matter. We do not. of choices. http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/essays_2.htm#how The self reflective nature of the Multiverse is If you have a habit, it is unconscious. If you have a recognition through In this way it can be real-ized that because of the physical illusion of time, It is therefore not WHETHER we fit within the infinite "path" but how. You CANNOT experience a reality and vibration that you do not believe to be > Oh, we do have a limited Mars reflects the FREE WILL of the physical self that then CHOOSES to act on >choice in the acting out after stimulation. >When MARS transits our the FREE WILL OF THE HIGHER SELF, that CHOSE the chart you now have (the MOMENTUM of the idea you are--the PATH you are)--it is all choice, and you ALWAYS have free will to change the path you are, even when you use 100% of it to create the illusion you have 0. >SUN we all automatically experience agitation and the beginnings of I have faith in you; that you can transcend Saturn and move to the awakening >senseless anger or fear. It is in the expression of our individual >reactions to this internal turmoil that our will can be employed. RECOGNITION OF CHOICE AND FREE WILL at Uranus (through the transition of consciousness at Chiron from the "wounding by BUYING INTO physical effects") no matter HOW crystallized and limiting (Saturn) you CHOOSE to INSIST (believe) it is. >> Retrogradation of either inner or outer planets reflect the judgement and Not necessarily, is rebooting the computer necessarily negative? While it is >>repression of the planet involved. >JEFF SAYS: Seems to me the words "judgement" and "repression" carry >decidedly "negative" connoctations. down, the chip is repressed,-- upon restart, it makes a discernment to re-integrate the folders and files, and when reassessed returns more integrated and efficiently functioning than it was previously-- imbalances are reworked--or not if it is not capable of using the "reboot" to do so. This is reflected in MERCURY and the mind's (conscious mind) need to reassess the life experience it has just created on the unconscious level--hence the counterparts of the SUN/URANUS reflect this awakening and co-creation. >Thus, even tho' you take pains to WRONG!!! This tells us ONLY of your versions and beliefs ABOUT reality and what >try to give the impression that you are not saying the retrograde >period brings negativity, in almost the next breath you mention these >negative ideas associated with retrograde planets. "reassessment" MUST mean (in your limited world), and HENCE although you deny free will and our consistent use of it on all levels that astrology only reflects like the MIRROR, you immediately and clearly demonstrate the truth and accuracy of my assertions regarding this from square one by the insightless response that demonstrates your CHOICE to be limited, and allows me to demonstrate the truth of what I have asserted from the begining with confidence. Next defect. "The senses turn outward; Man therefore looks towards what is outside, and sees Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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