Retrograde planets in natal chart
micheal
are in retrograde, and the house the planets fall in.
CAnne16560
learned the meaning of them and how they affect my life.
Hugh Jeffcoat
Retrogradation of a planet has no discernable astrological effect
other than to prolong the influence of that planet as it appearently
slows in its orbit and stations on a particular power point in your
chart, if any. Those who say that a retrograding planet is somehow
negative in effect are simply wrong. The forward or backward motion
of a planet has no effect whatsoever on that planet's "good" or "bad"
quality.
SIDEREAL (!) JEFF
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EHWollmann
>learned the meaning of them and how they affect my life.
>
Astrology reflects the path you are. It does not affect the path you are.
Because you are one of the ways the infinite creator has, of expressing itself.
Retrogrades reflect the concept of reassessment of concepts. The astrological
signs and planets, are archetypes that reflect issues we experience here on
earth.
Here is a short delineation of planets in Rx. I believe this may serve you in
some way.
Thank you for your sharing.
The retrogradation of the inner planets represent the functions of the
personality, and conscious mind. They are the archetypes that are the "closest"
to the primary idea we chose to express in physical reality (the Sun) as
opposed to the outer planets that are more unconscious and subconscious in
meaning.
Retrogradation of either inner or outer planets reflect the judgement and
repression of the planet involved. There is a reassessment of the idea
(archetypical) that the planet retrograde represents. The sign of the template
that the planet is in will reflect what the issues of reassessment will revolve
around. The self believes it cannot "move forward" with the idea of the
archetype that the planet represents. Rx is, psychologically speaking, a
paradoxical conflict for the individual as they seek a balance in the
expression of the archetype. There is much untangling to be done concerning the
function and archetype of the planet and sign involved. Reflecting a "retake"
through successive incarnations- it is as if "at first you don't succeed try
try again."
First and foremost, the retrograde condition is the effect of value judging the
idea the planet reflects i.e. Mars= the need to prove the self. We all choose
to incarnate to experience and express certain ideas. But it is this conscious
mind judgement of "things" that creates the pendulum swing. The injection of
values. The oversoul or higher self chooses scenarios (that may appear to be
"fated") to assist the individual to learn to place the archetype function into
proper perspective. The psychological, and often unconscious effect of the
retrograde condition manifests as an extreme focus on the retrograde planet.
The planet reflects an overcompensatory state.
There are other delineations in the chart that will confirm these deductions
when traced. For example in the Mars Rx person's overcompensation, a further
deduction of a negative belief about the archetype, would be the planet's
placement in the signs Libra (social acceptance) or Cancer (emotional
security). It is the negative attitude, approach and the belief the person
holds that causes the problems. When this changes so does the momentum.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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Spamster
EHWollmann wrote:
> >Me too...I have several planets retrograde in my natal chart and have never
> >learned the meaning of them and how they affect my life.
> >
>
> Astrology reflects the path you are.
So why did you chose the kook path?
Ken Anglesea
wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:50:19 -0400 (EDT), driftin...@webtv.net
>(micheal) wrote:
>
>>I was wondering if anyone can tell me a little about the planets that
>>are in retrograde, and the house the planets fall in.
>>
>
>Retrogradation of a planet has no discernable astrological effect
>other than to prolong the influence of that planet as it appearently
>slows in its orbit and stations on a particular power point in your
>chart, if any. Those who say that a retrograding planet is somehow
>negative in effect are simply wrong. The forward or backward motion
>of a planet has no effect whatsoever on that planet's "good" or "bad"
>quality.
See this Eddie?.
Only a few lines of mumbo Jumbo, not like the screed you posted.
> SIDEREAL (!) JEFF
>
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Hugh Jeffcoat
>Astrology reflects the path you are. It does not affect the path you are.
JEFF SAYS: Are you saying planetary and mundane angle transits to
natal planets and angles do not affect us ? I have to disagree. I see
such effects every day. In my life, and in the lives of others around
me, there is abundent observable evidence of life changes (path
changes) seemingly directly caused by planetary hits to natal and
planetary angles and planets. Those are what the study of astrology
enables us to access.
>Retrogrades reflect the concept of reassessment of concepts.
JEFF SAYS: How can our perception of a planet's direction change that
planet's astrological value ? We respond to the astrological energy
of the planet, not to our concept of that energy. Just as we respond
to the difference of the presence or absense of the sun, as in night
and day, so to we respond to the vibration set up by each of the
planets, regardless of their appearant direction of travel.
The human herd has evolved to respond this way. We do not consciously
respond to the astrological quality of the planets. We do so
innately, without thought, without consideration. You speak as if we
had a choice in the matter. We do not. Oh, we do have a limited
choice in the acting out after stimulation. When MARS transits our
SUN we all automatically experience agitation and the beginnings of
senseless anger or fear. It is in the expression of our individual
reactions to this internal turmoil that our will can be employed.
> Retrogradation of either inner or outer planets reflect the judgement and
>repression of the planet involved.
JEFF SAYS: Seems to me the words "judgement" and "repression" carry
decidedly "negative" connoctations. Thus, even tho' you take pains to
try to give the impression that you are not saying the retrograde
period brings negativity, in almost the next breath you mention these
negative ideas associated with retrograde planets.
EHWollmann
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:50:19 -0400 (EDT), driftin...@webtv.net
>>(micheal) wrote:
>>
>>>I was wondering if anyone can tell me a little about the planets that
>>>are in retrograde, and the house the planets fall in.
>>>
>>
>>Retrogradation of a planet has no discernable astrological effect
>>other than to prolong the influence of that planet as it appearently
>>slows in its orbit and stations on a particular power point in your
>>chart, if any. Those who say that a retrograding planet is somehow
>>negative in effect are simply wrong. The forward or backward motion
>>of a planet has no effect whatsoever on that planet's "good" or "bad"
>>quality.
>
>
>
>See this Eddie?.
>Only a few lines of mumbo Jumbo, not like the screed you posted.
Yes, and it is incomplete compared to mine. And Rx does have discernable
reflection other than the person stated.
Rx = reassessment.
Spamster
EHWollmann wrote:
> >On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:26:41 GMT, jef...@accutek.com (Hugh Jeffcoat)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:50:19 -0400 (EDT), driftin...@webtv.net
> >>(micheal) wrote:
> >>
> >>>I was wondering if anyone can tell me a little about the planets that
> >>>are in retrograde, and the house the planets fall in.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Retrogradation of a planet has no discernable astrological effect
> >>other than to prolong the influence of that planet as it appearently
> >>slows in its orbit and stations on a particular power point in your
> >>chart, if any. Those who say that a retrograding planet is somehow
> >>negative in effect are simply wrong. The forward or backward motion
> >>of a planet has no effect whatsoever on that planet's "good" or "bad"
> >>quality.
> >
> >
> >
> >See this Eddie?.
> >Only a few lines of mumbo Jumbo, not like the screed you posted.
>
> Yes, and it is incomplete compared to mine.
Agreed. You're screed is the most complete.
Beep
>Yes, and it is incomplete compared to mine. And Rx does have discernable
>reflection other than the person stated.
>Rx = reassessment.
>
This wouldn't have anything to do with you having natal Saturn and
Neptune Rx, of course...
Pam
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EHWollmann wrote in message
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>>On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:26:41 GMT, jef...@accutek.com (Hugh Jeffcoat)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:50:19 -0400 (EDT), driftin...@webtv.net
>>>(micheal) wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was wondering if anyone can tell me a little about the planets that
>>>>are in retrograde, and the house the planets fall in.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Retrogradation of a planet has no discernable astrological effect
>>>other than to prolong the influence of that planet as it appearently
>>>slows in its orbit and stations on a particular power point in your
>>>chart, if any. Those who say that a retrograding planet is somehow
>>>negative in effect are simply wrong. The forward or backward motion
>>>of a planet has no effect whatsoever on that planet's "good" or "bad"
>>>quality.
>>
>>
>>
>>See this Eddie?.
>>Only a few lines of mumbo Jumbo, not like the screed you posted.
>
>Yes, and it is incomplete compared to mine. And Rx does have discernable
>reflection other than the person stated.
It does nothing, you fucking kook.
>Rx = reassessment.
Got any proof of that, you asshole?
el...@no.spam
EHWollmann <ehwol...@aol.com> wrote:
>>See this Eddie?.
>>Only a few lines of mumbo Jumbo, not like the screed you posted.
>Yes, and it is incomplete compared to mine.
Yeah, your mumbo Jumbo is much more wordy.
Hugh Jeffcoat
>>>>
>>>
>>>Retrogradation of a planet has no discernable astrological effect
>>>other than to prolong the influence of that planet as it appearently
>>>slows in its orbit and stations on a particular power point in your
>>>chart, if any. Those who say that a retrograding planet is somehow
>>>negative in effect are simply wrong. The forward or backward motion
>>>of a planet has no effect whatsoever on that planet's "good" or "bad"
>>>quality.
>>
>>
>>
>>See this Eddie?.
>>Only a few lines of mumbo Jumbo, not like the screed you posted.
>
>Yes, and it is incomplete compared to mine. And Rx does have discernable
>reflection other than the person stated.
>Rx = reassessment.
>
>
>Edmond H. Wollmann
Rx planets = planetary business as usual only over a longer than usual
time span.
Ken Anglesea
wrote:
>On 12 Jul 2000 22:52:43 GMT, ehwol...@aol.com (EHWollmann) wrote:
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Retrogradation of a planet has no discernable astrological effect
>>>>other than to prolong the influence of that planet as it appearently
>>>>slows in its orbit and stations on a particular power point in your
>>>>chart, if any. Those who say that a retrograding planet is somehow
>>>>negative in effect are simply wrong. The forward or backward motion
>>>>of a planet has no effect whatsoever on that planet's "good" or "bad"
>>>>quality.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>See this Eddie?.
>>>Only a few lines of mumbo Jumbo, not like the screed you posted.
>>
>>Yes, and it is incomplete compared to mine. And Rx does have discernable
>>reflection other than the person stated.
>>Rx = reassessment.
>>
>>
>>Edmond H. Wollmann
>
>Rx planets = planetary business as usual only over a longer than usual
>time span.
Can you both make up your minds?.
Rx planets or Rx = reassessment.
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pete
(micheal) wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone can tell me a little about the planets that
>are in retrograde, and the house the planets fall in.
>
Pete comments; retro grade planets do not exist within the celestial
sphere. Hence, the only place "retrograde" is important is within
todays tropical housology. This is so since those who use houses to
do what they call astrology do not use anything that actually exists
within the celestial sphere to do there psychic reception.
If it isn't up there - then it cannot be astrological.
Pete
EHWollmann
wrote:
>On 11 Jul 2000 19:32:29 GMT, ehwol...@aol.com (EHWollmann) wrote:
>>Astrology reflects the path you are. It does not affect the path you are.
>JEFF SAYS: Are you saying planetary and mundane angle transits to
>natal planets and angles do not affect us ? I have to disagree. I see
>such effects every day.
That is because believing is seeing. You believe thus, hence you "see it".
Do you have any education in psychology and the workings of the unconscious? Or
do you believe you are different from the rest of society and don't have one?
So you believe yourself separate from the unbroken wholeness of the "ALL THAT
IS"? (the Uni-verse or Multi-verse whichever you prefer). It is this type of
belief that is SATURNIAN.
Please see:
http://astroconsulting.com/FAQs/neptune.htm
Are you saying that the fish in the ocean is "affected" by the ocean? Or is it
more true that the ocean and fish are a SYSTEM interacting with each other as
the SAME ONE THING?
> In my life, and in the lives of others around
>me,
Ah, ah! You cannot create others versions of what they see and experience in
their reality. This is YOUR version of what you BELIEVE and wish to believe is
true ABOUT their version.
This is a fallacious defective illogical argument as well:
"Hasty generalization" is a fallacy that affects inductive
generalizations....an inductive generalization is an argument that draws a
conclusion about all members of a group from evidence that pertains to a
selected example. The fallacy occurs when there is a reasonable likelihood that
the sample is not representative of the group. Such a likelihood is likely if
the sample is either too small or not randomly selected." Logic, Hurley, 4th
edition, 1991.
>there is abundent observable evidence of life changes (path
>changes) seemingly directly caused by planetary hits to natal and
>planetary angles and planets.
I see, where is this evidence?
I see that it CORREALATES to my version of experiences I create in my life
synchronistically. But this is NOT evidence that externals are "affecting me".
In order to make causal statements with regard to correlations one must
have;
1) Cause must precede effect.
2) Cause and effect must co-vary.
3) All other possible explanations between cause and effect must be
ruled out.
You have no evidence for any of the above. If you do, please cite it.
Correlations do not imply explanation or proof of affect. A correlation is a
QUANTITATIVE
description of the strength and direction of the two variables. TWO. How many
are there in astrology?
Most astrological interpretations are QUALITATIVE.
> Those are what the study of astrology
>enables us to access.
Astrology allows us to better understand how we create our reality by looking
into the MIRROR of astrological significators.
Does a mirror "cause" your hair to need combing?
You are not thinking clearly.
Woodenheaded thinking="assessing a situation in terms of preconceived fixed
notions while ignoring or rejecting any contrary signs" (Tuchman, 1984, p. 7).
>>Retrogrades reflect the concept of reassessment of concepts.
>JEFF SAYS: How can our perception of a planet's direction change that
>planet's astrological value ?
It has no value to begin with. The universe has no built-in meaning we GIVE it
meaning by what we believe or have been taught to believe is true.
Backtracking--we have over MILLIONS of years have GIVEN the IMPLIED value to
"mean" (significance is real or implied):
Reassess. Retrace, rehash, reintegrate....
> We respond to the astrological energy
>of the planet,
Ah, ah! Please present some evidence for this "astrological energy." This is
another fallacious defective assertion:
"Begging the question" occurs when an arguer uses some form of phraseology that
tends to conceal the questionably true character of a key premise. If the
reader or the listener is deceived into thinking that a key premise is true, he
or she will accept the argument as sound, when in fact, it may not be." Hurley
1991, 4th edition, Logic.
> not to our concept of that energy.
WRONG!!!!! We create our ENTIRE experiential reality by what WE BELIEVE AND
DEFINE IT TO BE or have been TAUGHT to believe it is. All assertions are
CONSTRUCTS to EXPLAIN our experiences of reality--INCLUDING science, they do
not = "THE TRUTH". The only ONE truth is that THE truth is the composition of
ALL TRUTHS.
"It is the theory that determines WHAT we can observe." Albert Einstein
> Just as we respond
>to the difference of the presence or absense of the sun, as in night
>and day,
We naturally reflect the unbroken wholeness of the ALL of which WITHIN THAT
WHOLE, we are one of the ways it has of expressing itself as ONE THING (Uranus)
not separate, limiting, affecting, "things" (Saturn illusion).
Constructs are SATURNIAN.
"I am able to prove," wrote the great German mathematician, Leibnitz
"that not only light, color, heat, and the like, but motion, shape, and
extension too are mere apparent qualities."
"The Universe and Dr. Einstein"
"Thus gradually philosophers and scientists arrived at the startling
conclusion that since every object is simply the sum of its qualities,
and since qualities exist only in the mind, the whole objective universe of
matter and energy, atoms and stars, does not exist except as a construction of
the consciousness, an edifice of conventional symbols shaped by the senses of
man."
"The Universe and Dr. Einstein"
"All the choir of heaven and furniture of earth, in a word all those
bodies which compose the mighty frame of the world, have not any substance
without the mind....So long as they are not actually percieved by me, or do not
exist in my mind, or that of any other created spirit, they must either have no
existance at all, or else subsist in the mind of some eternal spirit."
Berkeley
"Just as there is no such thing as color without an eye to discern it, so an
instant or an hour or a day is nothing without an event to mark it." Lincoln
Barnett
"Common sense is actually nothing more than a deposit of predjudices laid down
in the mind prior to the age of 18. Every new idea one encounters in later
years must combat this accretion of "self-evident" concepts." Albert Einstein
"In mans brief tenancy on earth he egocentrically orders events in his
mind according to his own feelings of past, present and future. But
except on the reels of ones own consciousness, the universe, the
objective world of reality, does not "happen"-it simply exists."
Lincoln Barnett
"The physicist has no need of the flow of time or the now in the world of
physics. Indeed the theory of relativity rules out a universal present for all
observers. If there is any meaning at all to these concepts (and many
philosophers, such as McTaggart, deny that there is) then it would seem to
belong to psychology rather than physics." Paul Davies on Time
"In short, the world is not a collection of separate but coupled THINGS; rather
it is a network of relations." David Bohm
"The common division of the world into subject and object, inner world
and outer world, body and soul is no longer adequate." Werner Heisenberg
> so to we respond to the vibration set up by each of the
>planets,
"Setting up" is a Saturnian perspective. We ARE them, one level reflecting back
to another while experiencing the ILLUSION of time/space that ALLOWS the
apparent externalization of ourselves as "other" things.
> regardless of their appearant direction of travel.
>The human herd has evolved to respond this way.
Herd! :-)))
>We do not consciously
>respond to the astrological quality of the planets. We do so
>innately, without thought, without consideration. You speak as if we
>had a choice in the matter. We do not.
You always have a choice in reality to choose anything. LIFE is a configuration
of choices.
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/essays_2.htm#how
The self reflective nature of the Multiverse is
evidenced by the ability to have recognitions that move beyond the self, that
allow for transcendence, that allow for the existential view.
If you live in a "Valley" the landscape of that valley is all you know,
and are not real clear on the appearance of that valley while you are in it.
Except from the perspective of being "in" the valley. When you climb to the
mountaintop you are now able to view the valley from a different perspective,
to get a bigger picture-an awareness of the "Landscape" of the valley. Before
you climbed this mountain there would have been a habitual way of perceiving
the valley which has now changed through the removal of the lens of the self
and its participation in the landscape of the valley.
If you have a habit, it is unconscious. If you have a recognition through
awareness of the habit-you know longer-by definition-have it. This ability for
a recognition outside of or beyond is in a sense proof that consciousness must
be of a non-physical nature to begin with, for the ability to view the pattern
from another point of view is to stand outside the paradigm that you are. The
infinite and non-physical requirements for this self reflective ability is
implicate and necessary for a Multiverse that CANNOT be "hard wired". For a
"hard wired" or close ended Multiverse would-by definition-not contain this
parameter for transcendent perspectives to be created. It is a loop or a
mirror-another view other than what you define yourself to be that IMPLIES
something beyond the reality you immediately inhabit. And the ability to move
beyond the valley and to the mountain is the effect of self-awareness,---
the goal of any metaphysical endeavor---.
In this way it can be real-ized that because of the physical illusion of time,
we actually exist everywhere at once-non physical and infinite co-creators with
"All That Is". We are the reality that physicality
deceives the conscious mind into believing it exists within.
It is therefore not WHETHER we fit within the infinite "path" but how.
The more conviction and trust we express in the creation of our reality-the
less time it takes to get to this mountaintop. Transcendence and transformation
is NOT the product of mediocrity, NOT the product of placing power outside the
self, NOT the product of acquiescence, and NOT the product of conscious mind
recognitions alone.
You CANNOT experience a reality and vibration that you do not believe to be
true for you-on all levels-with conviction. All experience serves to TELL you
the vibration you are at any given moment.
> Oh, we do have a limited
>choice in the acting out after stimulation. >When MARS transits our
Mars reflects the FREE WILL of the physical self that then CHOOSES to act on
the FREE WILL OF THE HIGHER SELF, that CHOSE the chart you now have (the
MOMENTUM of the idea you are--the PATH you are)--it is all choice, and you
ALWAYS have free will to change the path you are, even when you use 100% of it
to create the illusion you have 0.
>SUN we all automatically experience agitation and the beginnings of
>senseless anger or fear. It is in the expression of our individual
>reactions to this internal turmoil that our will can be employed.
I have faith in you; that you can transcend Saturn and move to the awakening
RECOGNITION OF CHOICE AND FREE WILL at Uranus (through the transition of
consciousness at Chiron from the "wounding by BUYING INTO physical effects") no
matter HOW crystallized and limiting (Saturn) you CHOOSE to INSIST (believe) it
is.
>> Retrogradation of either inner or outer planets reflect the judgement and
>>repression of the planet involved.
>JEFF SAYS: Seems to me the words "judgement" and "repression" carry
>decidedly "negative" connoctations.
Not necessarily, is rebooting the computer necessarily negative? While it is
down, the chip is repressed,-- upon restart, it makes a discernment to
re-integrate the folders and files, and when reassessed returns more integrated
and efficiently functioning than it was previously-- imbalances are
reworked--or not if it is not capable of using the "reboot" to do so.
This is reflected in MERCURY and the mind's (conscious mind) need to reassess
the life experience it has just created on the unconscious level--hence the
counterparts of the SUN/URANUS reflect this awakening and co-creation.
>Thus, even tho' you take pains to
>try to give the impression that you are not saying the retrograde
>period brings negativity, in almost the next breath you mention these
>negative ideas associated with retrograde planets.
WRONG!!! This tells us ONLY of your versions and beliefs ABOUT reality and what
"reassessment" MUST mean (in your limited world), and HENCE although you deny
free will and our consistent use of it on all levels that astrology only
reflects like the MIRROR, you immediately and clearly demonstrate the truth and
accuracy of my assertions regarding this from square one by the insightless
response that demonstrates your CHOICE to be limited, and allows me to
demonstrate the truth of what I have asserted from the begining with
confidence.
Next defect.
"The senses turn outward; Man therefore looks towards what is outside, and sees
not the inward being. Rare is the wise man who shuts his eyes to outward things
and so beholds the glory of the Atman within." The Upanishads
Cujo
EHWollmann wrote in message
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>>jef...@accutek.com (Hugh Jeffcoat) in his ego zeal and blindness to truth
>wrote:
>
>>On 11 Jul 2000 19:32:29 GMT, ehwol...@aol.com (EHWollmann) wrote:
>
>>>Astrology reflects the path you are. It does not affect the path you are.
>
>>JEFF SAYS: Are you saying planetary and mundane angle transits to
>>natal planets and angles do not affect us ? I have to disagree. I see
>>such effects every day.
>
>That is because believing is seeing. You believe thus, hence you "see it".
I believe you're a fucking kook. I 'see' what an asshole you are. I hope
that's close enough.
Peat Jeffcoat
misdemeanor (PC 555- Unlawful Entry), fined, and placed on probation,
sued for Unlawful Detainer and evicted in 3/96, past violator of Federal
and State game laws for abusing wildlife, and remorseless confessed
killer of someone's child, and remarkably cowardly yellow bellied pussy
who didn't show up for lunch at PF Chang's even though it was only five
minutes from his place and after he claimed he would meet people there
with a police escort wrote:
>
> >jef...@accutek.com (Hugh Jeffcoat) in his ego zeal and blindness to truth
> wrote:
>
> >On 11 Jul 2000 19:32:29 GMT, ehwol...@aol.com (EHWollmann) wrote:
>
> >>Astrology reflects the path you are. It does not affect the path you are.
>
> >JEFF SAYS: Are you saying planetary and mundane angle transits to
> >natal planets and angles do not affect us ? I have to disagree. I see
> >such effects every day.
>
> That is because believing is seeing.
AH, SHADDAP, KOOK!
~T
Peat Jeffcoat wrote in message <39826671...@wollmann.com>...
>Edmond Heinz Wollmann, convicted in San Diego on 6/28/98 of a
>misdemeanor (PC 555- Unlawful Entry), fined, and placed on probation,
>sued for Unlawful Detainer and evicted in 3/96, past violator of Federal
>and State game laws for abusing wildlife, and remorseless confessed
>killer of someone's child, and remarkably cowardly yellow bellied pussy
>who didn't show up for lunch at PF Chang's even though it was only five
>minutes from his place and after he claimed he would meet people there
>with a police escort wrote:
>
>>
truth
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 11 Jul 2000 19:32:29 GMT, ehwol...@aol.com (EHWollmann) wrote:
>>
>> >>Astrology reflects the path you are. It does not affect the path you
are.
>>
>> >JEFF SAYS: Are you saying planetary and mundane angle transits to
>> >natal planets and angles do not affect us ? I have to disagree. I see
>> >such effects every day.
>>
>> That is because believing is seeing.
>
He's not even a good kook. A disappointing kook to say the very least.