The Age of Aquarius....Neptune into Aquarius
David Mayhead
Edmond Wollmann
David Mayhead wrote:
> The passage of Neptune into Aquarius on 28 January 1998 has attracted
> much debate amongst astrologers including Jonathan Cainer a respected
> professional writing for the Daily Mail a UK National newspaper. He
> asserts that the "Age of Aquarius" is coming.
Neptune's transits and natal position reflect where we need to dissolve
the rigid and self centered focus from being oriented around ego.
Neptune in Capricorn dissolved many boundries of status and material
gain etc. Our system has been forever changed by the recognition that
-for example the stock market is really maintained by nothing more than
belief-sice a realistic appraisal would crash it into oblivion based on
"facts."
Neptune in Aquarius will dissolve the boundries ego has constructed
relative to a recognition of our personal creative interaction with one
another and how we give love. This is being played out to some degree
here on the usenet groups. It has been said that certain persons are
kooks-one of the things that dissolves boundries is compassion and
empathy. We see "kooks" everyday sitting or standing by the stoplights
(at least here in La Jolla) who for one reason or another cannot believe
in their own creative force to create the reality they prefer-hence they
beg for food or work etc. (some of course are scammers)-but if these
persons are "kooks" what would a person be who torments them and taunts
them?
Our comnpassion needs evolving along with reason-the age of Aquarius
will be the age when reason and intuition merge and blend into one
knowing consciousness.
> To paraphrase his
> interpretation of events in 1998 he forecasts crises in world
> economics and weather but attaches the "innovation and inventiveness"
> of Aquarius to a "happy ending".
Innovation" is simply the conscious minds waking up to the recognition
of the unlimited creative power of the whole self, and that we have a
choice in the creation of our reality.
> The recent problems in the Japanese
> and Korean economies, and extreme weather conditions in certain parts
> of the world are, in his opinion, samples of what we can expect in
> 1998.
"Problems" are the effect of the belief in separation and the resistance
to growth in a direction DIFFERENT from expectations. Aquarius has much
to do with EXPECTATIONS and our "goals" or "hopes" are often just
unrealisitic expectations.
> Mr Cainer is a Sagittarian optimist and observes mankind
> pulling itself up by its bootlaces and sounding the cavalry charge in
> the nick of time.
There will always be those who welcome developmental tension and change
and grow and experience no "turmoil" (like myself") despite what others
"believe" they are experiencing-these will be the persons who have
allowed EXPECTATIONS to dissolve and allow whatever is there to be there
for a reason-KNOWING it is the product of their creative force and
therefore ALLOW it to be innovative- a new way to experience an "old"
idea.
> What does the passage of Neptune into Aquarius mean and can it be
> emphasised in the simplistic manner described by Mr Cainer or is this
> yet another example of astrological marketing and hype?
Resistance to growth and judgments are what cause pain and suffering-and
as always, there will be some who grow and change and some who stay
"stuck" in the old paradigm. There is no "thats the way it will be for
everyone" because each and every individual LIVES ON A DIFFERENT EARTH.
The one we see is the one we believe is the "real" one. Therefore as
always it will be an outer marker so to speak (Neptune's transit) of the
changing consciousness toward creatorhood interactions and appreciation
of each others uniqueness-but each will create their version of what it
"is".
> Mr Cainer
> seems to imply that Neptune in Aquarius will somehow provide the
> answers
Planets and things outside the self reflect our consiousness because our
consciousness is not IN our body-but our body is IN and moves through
our consciousness (the very reason that astrology "works" to begin
with). They do not "provide" anything but a reflection of what we have
en mass decided to collectively create as the "collective consciousness"
issue at this timing.
> to a brighter tomorrow and yet all my knowledge of astrology
> implies that Neptune is deep, hidden and illusionary.
Integration is the key to any "brighter tomorrow"-that is functioning
and ACTING like a INTEGRAL whole being knowing that we are as powerful
as we need to be to create whatever we desire to create in our
reality-Neptune's transit of Aquarius will allow us-or those inclined
and willing-to dissolve the judgments of "worth" and possessions as
being a determinant of "creative force or resourcefullness"-and that
love is truly recognizing the unlimeted co-creative ability of beings to
create preference through this understanding.
> Aquarius
> involves collective global issues, and the combination, with Uranus
> thrown in for good measure, seems to indicate that humanity is in
> danger of being "found out" rather than finding expedient solutions to
> its myriad problems.
SPIRIT needs incorporating into our "resource base".
> In my opinion economic and climatic changes are
> just symptoms of much more deep seated problems facing the human race
> and the message of Neptune may expose more of the symptoms without
> ever hinting at the causes.
Climactic changes like ALL external changes are the effect of the change
in consciousness of those who create it -US.
> The Uranus influence indicates a
> surprising or shocking outcome,
Surpirising and shocking things are only that way to those who resist
waking up to the infinite power of their own creatorhood...
> whilst Aquarius is about action for
> its own sake rather than for the "good" of all. Our history of
> understanding the worse excesses of human nature does not suggest any
> interest in dealing with "real" problems, be it poverty, environment,
> religion, culture, political or economic power. We must face up to the
> simple fact that with "real" intent these problems would have been
> eliminated long ago, and I would suggest that we are currently at a
> spiritual low in the cycle rather than at the high the "New Age"
> marketeers would have us believe.
Yes, by eliminating our "shells" of defense as seen here by these
so-called skeptics-removing ourselves from the true sources of issues by
labeling, and creating "images" of what we FEAR things are rather than
directly confronting and dealing with the ISSUES we have.
> Neptune in Aquarius may challenge our trusts and beliefs, and Uranus
> may see much innovation and tampering in the panic following each
> crises faced but is the real problem our lack of spiritual depth
> exposed when Neptune moves into Pisces and all our activity is seen to
> add up to a deficit of the same problems we started with - poverty,
> environment, culture, political and economic power? An analogy of
> Neptune in Aquarius is discovering that the distance between the Sun
> and Earth is 93 million miles, with Neptune in Pisces saying "Nice
> assumption but it could just as easily be a distance of 1 widget!".
> The intrinsic spiritual value of ancient stories of prophets is that
> it is not important to be alive but it is important what you do whilst
> you are alive. Time after time planets return to Pisces to drum home
> this message, and time after time we miss the point. The true
> challenge facing mankind now is the same as it was at the beginning of
> this millenium - what are we really here for? It will take a gigantic
> leap of spiritual faith to get off the bandwagon we are currently
> driving hell for leather in the dark, stand still for a while,
> discover exactly where we are and find out where we went wrong, and I
> do not believe that time is yet here. The bandwagon is still gathering
> speed, the darkness is still closing in, and Neptune in Aquarius may
> just contain the gut rending crash we all fear most. Maybe we will
> learn from the accident and work on increasing true spiritual values
> and maybe we will not.
It is simply the time to wake up-and dream the dream you prefer to
dream.
> The "New Age" syndrome seeks to convert laudable spiritual values into
> methods for obtaining personal life style enhancement, be it
> "success", "wealth", "better personal relationships" or whatever. To
> be a "better person" first requires someone to outline what a "better
> person" is, and that needs someone to define what we are really here
> for.
Better is a subjective value judgment-but a more integral or acting from
KNOWINGNESS and empowerment will definitly be the issue-especially in
February and March of 98 when we start to real-ize the vastness of our
"world" by including space and beyond.
We need to be able to transform this "shell" defensive response to
issues and deal with the heart of our creatorhood.
> The prophets of the past seem to have delivered at least part of
> that definition and I do not recall "success, wealth or better
> personal relationships" figuring anywhere. Is Neptune in Aquarius
> about to hijack our "New Age" sophistication and expose it for what it
> is? Global warming has received much focus but is countered by those
> who suggest it is a cyclical change that has happened before. In
> reality our fragile economic structure could not cope with the changes
> we would have to make to eliminate harmful pollution anyway and we are
> relying on Nature to help us out. Is Neptune in Aquarius about to
> demonstrate that it is not only global warming that threatens our
> economic "gods"? Is Neptune in Aquarius about to begin the
> destruction of our twentieth century economic and political dynasties
> returning the issue of survival of the species and our planet to the
> top of our agenda?
It is the return of the grail-nature INTENDS the grail-that we and our
world are one-we must integrate the native American spiritual growth and
the European industrial intellectual growth into ONE COHERENT KNOWING
MENTALITY THAT ACTS FROM
CONVICTION-TRUST-UNDERSTANDING-TRUTH-INSPIRATION WITH FULL ACCEPTANCE
AND DISMISSAL OF EXPECTATIONS. That THE TRUTH is the cpomposition of ALL
truths-this is the return of the christ consciousness-that I and the
father are one in the same-INTEGRAL is the message from all time and
history.
> We have seen stupendous scientific "advance" in the past few hundred
> years with technology in transport, computers and genetics receiving
> focus in the past few decades. Is Neptune in Aquarius about to
> demonstrate our ignorance in tampering with the fundamentals of life -
> communication, movement and reproduction? We all want a better life
> but I do not believe we are in touch with "quality". Our focus seems
> intent on speed and quantity, on marketing mediocrity as exceptional.
> Is Neptune in Aquarius ready to slow us down, reduce our greed and
> restore the gift of real talent?
PHYSICS WILL CONFIRM METAPHYSICS and a return to source for those who
can see.
> The last time Neptune visited Aquarius Victorian Britain was in a
> technological revolution but for most people that amounted to
> exploitation and inadequate living conditions. The wealthy increased
> their power over the poor and it was a long time before relief came.
> Is Neptune in Aquarius this time about to swing the balance the other
> way, or are we in for another repetition of the dismissive attitude of
> the wealthy for the poor? Is it time for the poor to stop chasing the
> "rainbow" and redefine their quality of life? Is that the real meaning
> of the Age of Aquarius?
The EQUALITY AND VALIDITY OF ALL BEINGS WITHIN THE "ALL THAT IS"
CO-CREATING AND LIVING AS ONE.
Tis up to each and every one in this the transformational age-but
transformation is NOT the product of mediocrity-as always it will
require boldness, strength and conviction acting from trust. Before
kingdoms can change-MEN must change.
> Andrew David
> "To be with someone is not important but to be with someone important
> is."
We deserve happiness, abundance and ecstasy JUST BECAUSE WE EXIST.
We don't need any other reasons. Here lies your truth.
--
"Sail away, sail away, sail away, Carry me on the waves to the lands
I've never seen, carry me on the waves to the lands I've never been-we
can sigh and say goodbye (sail away, sail away, sail away) we can see
it, we can see it." Enya "Orinoco Flow (Sail Away)"
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 1997 Altair Publications
Astrological Consulting
http://www.flex.com/~jai/astrology/info/alt.astrology.faq.html
Edmond Wollmann
RLS wrote:
> edmond:
> would you please site references for jonathan cainer and where this material
> was taken from.
WHY? I have nothing to do with that portion, you best learn how to read
a newsgroup partner. I reponded to the person who wrote of that.
> i would be interested in reading his published writings on
> astrology or metaphysics, although i have been unable to find any, anywhere
> to date.
You'll have to ask him then now won't you?
> i am unaware of any credentials pertaining to him in the field of astrology,
> and i can only find him listed under "tabloid" when i search for his
> material. i also note, that he is of the 1-900 genre whereas many
> "respected" professional astrologers are not. i have been unable to find
> anything of substance written or published by him, but would be most
> interested in reading it....if it does exist.
Guess you'll have to ask the last poster then. I know nothing of it.
> i am not surprised this was posted through you......and i doubt you can site
> any authentic reference. i knew everyone in this news group could not be
> wrong.....they are absolutely right.....you are a supreme unethical,
> unprofessional, mendacious and sneaky hypocrit, but i shall not let it bare
> on those more sincere and talented in your profession.
Oh I see, joining in on the old smear Wollmann bandwagon-well sir I
would be much more impressed if you had half the balls I do and poosted
under your real name.
> you need help.
Yeah right.
--
"A man never discloses his own character so clearly as when he describes
another's." Jean Paul Richter
Edmond Wollmann
RLS
edmond:
would you please site references for jonathan cainer and where this material
was taken from. i would be interested in reading his published writings on
astrology or metaphysics, although i have been unable to find any, anywhere
to date.
i am unaware of any credentials pertaining to him in the field of astrology,
and i can only find him listed under "tabloid" when i search for his
material. i also note, that he is of the 1-900 genre whereas many
"respected" professional astrologers are not. i have been unable to find
anything of substance written or published by him, but would be most
interested in reading it....if it does exist.
i am not surprised this was posted through you......and i doubt you can site
any authentic reference. i knew everyone in this news group could not be
wrong.....they are absolutely right.....you are a supreme unethical,
unprofessional, mendacious and sneaky hypocrit, but i shall not let it bare
on those more sincere and talented in your profession.
you need help.
RLS
oh yeah, ed....i am sure you know nothing about it...quite like everything
else. why would i give my full name to a man who has proven himself a
complete ass of a delusional sociopath? good try. LOL. you are the last
person i would
ever, ever need or seek to impress and nor do i feel the compelling,
compulsive need to do anything of the sort as you do. those who are truly
happy with themselves do not seek to impress anybody. that is the job of
those with inferiority complexes, which is evident in your case. hmmm, maybe
i will call my uncle in the fbi.....who will probably tell me that you have
clearance for human testing. (damn, that's it!)
ed, have you ever considered that you suffer brain damage from all that you
went through in your past? oops, i guess everyone has realized that
already... that is exactly what the evidence of your behavior bears out.
Edmond Wollmann wrote in message <34A89C...@pacbell.net>...
>>--
>"A man never discloses his own character so clearly as when he describes
>another's." Jean Paul Richter
here's one for you ed: "a man never discloses just how shallow he is as when
he constantly uses the words of others to fake what he does not himself
have residing inside his own soul".......RLS
Edmond Wollmann
RLS wrote:
>
> oh yeah, ed....i am sure you know nothing about it...quite like everything
> else. why would i give my full name to a man who has proven himself a
> complete ass of a delusional sociopath? good try. LOL. you are the last
> person i would
Ho hum.
RLS
Edmond Wollmann wrote in message <34A89C...@pacbell.net>...
>RLS wrote:
>
>"A man never discloses his own character so clearly as when he describes
>another's." Jean Paul Richter
>--
ROFLMFAO. so ed....when a psychologist diagnosis' a patient, he speaks of
himself? when a consumer advocate uncovers a fraudulent businessman, he
calls himself a fraud? a parent who tells their child to stay away from the
known or convicted pediphile speaks of themself? you really talk out of your
rhetoric ridden ass.
"those who fear character assessment have the most to hide"....RLS. that is
the TRUTH.
paul mccartney et al would never write another word, let alone puke if he
knew i guy like you were quoting him....but manson and freud would truly
appreciate it....
>Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
>Š 1997 Altair Publications
>Astrological Consulting
>http://www.flex.com/~jai/astrology/info/alt.astrology.faq.html
RLS
ho hum, ed....that is just about all you can say when using your own
words!!!! ROFLMAO.
Edmond Wollmann wrote in message <34A8BC...@pacbell.net>...
>RLS wrote:
>>
>> oh yeah, ed....i am sure you know nothing about it...quite like
everything
>> else. why would i give my full name to a man who has proven himself a
>> complete ass of a delusional sociopath? good try. LOL. you are the last
>> person i would
>SNIP!
>Ho hum.
RLS
ho hum??....this is the extent of your personal vocabulary. no wonder
nothing is published yet....you would have to plagerize.
Edmond Wollmann wrote in message <34A8BC...@pacbell.net>...
>RLS wrote:
>>
>> oh yeah, ed....i am sure you know nothing about it...quite like
everything
>> else. why would i give my full name to a man who has proven himself a
>> complete ass of a delusional sociopath? good try. LOL. you are the last
>> person i would
>SNIP!
>Ho hum.
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quote"The passage of Neptune into Aquarius on 28 January 1998 has attracted =
quote"much debate amongst astrologers including Jonathan Cainer a respected =
quote"professional writing for the Daily Mail a UK National newspaper. He =
quote"asserts that the "Age of Aquarius" is coming. To paraphrase his =
quote"interpretation of events in 1998 he forecasts crises in world economics =
quote"and weather but attaches the "innovation and inventiveness" of Aquarius =
quote"to a "happy ending". The recent problems in the Japanese and Korean =
quote"economies, and extreme weather conditions in certain parts of the world =
quote"are, in his opinion, samples of what we can expect in 1998. Mr Cainer =
quote"is a Sagittarian optimist and observes mankind pulling itself up by its =
quote"bootlaces and sounding the cavalry charge in the nick of time.=20
Pete stapleton comments: David Mayhead, Where is this Aquarius which Neptune
is moving into on January 28,1998? It is my understanding Neptune will not
enter the astrological influence of (greek) Aquarius until sometime in 2009.
If you are saying that Neptune will enter into the TROPICAL SIGN of Aquarius
in 1998 you are correct. But if this is true, then why do you suggest there
is some astrological effect due to this change? I'm certain you are aware the
tropical "signs" are not found in the sky - and hence, do not measure or
describe any astrological influence whatever. I'm certain do you do agree
the tropical zodiac is based upon a mathmatical fiction used by astronomers
to measure their celestial sphere - and has never described any astrological
influences. So, why then do you suggest there is some extra astrological
significance being added to Neptune present transit of the astrological
(found up in the sky) influence we label Capricorn?
I'm certain you will answer - help me understand why you use a mathematical
fiction which doesn't exist in the sky as an astrological zodiac.
Regards, Pete
Lynn
"David Mayhead" <perk...@msn.com.remove> wrote:
>:What does the passage of Neptune into Aquarius mean and can it be =
>:emphasised in the simplistic manner described by Mr Cainer or is this =
>:yet another example of astrological marketing and hype? Mr Cainer seems =
>:to imply that Neptune in Aquarius will somehow provide the answers to a =
>:brighter tomorrow and yet all my knowledge of astrology implies that =
>:Neptune is deep, hidden and illusionary. Aquarius involves collective =
>:global issues, and the combination, with Uranus thrown in for good =
>:measure, seems to indicate that humanity is in danger of being "found =
>:out" rather than finding expedient solutions to its myriad problems. In =
>:my opinion economic and climatic changes are just symptoms of much more =
>:deep seated problems facing the human race and the message of Neptune =
>:may expose more of the symptoms without ever hinting at the causes. The =
>:Uranus influence indicates a surprising or shocking outcome, whilst =
>:Aquarius is about action for its own sake rather than for the "good" of =
>:all. Our history of understanding the worse excesses of human nature =
>:does not suggest any interest in dealing with "real" problems, be it =
>:poverty, environment, religion, culture, political or economic power. We =
>:must face up to the simple fact that with "real" intent these problems =
>:would have been eliminated long ago, and I would suggest that we are =
>:currently at a spiritual low in the cycle rather than at the high the =
>:"New Age" marketeers would have us believe.
You make some excellent points. Many neo-spiritual people try to
achieve nirvana through denial. This is a classic Neptunian fault.
The only way to defeat darkness, Jung declared, is to face it in
ourselves, embrace it, and find out what it wants from us - or what it
wants to give us.
Neptune in Capricorn has seen the dissolution of so many ossified
social structures, the answer to many prayers, but... one does wonder
about today's "great pirates" and their attempts to dominate the world
with American corporate/commercial values. What will happen when they
are unhampered by Neptunian confusion?
In our logos-oriented culture, Neptune's influence does seem mainly
disruptive. I'm not looking forward to its entering the sign of my
MC. When Neptune is involved, it seems especially important to
actively practice its virtues, because it's so easy to slide off into
its vices, and if we do, it's a long way down...
What are Neptune's virtues? Being able to proceed on radical faith
helps us keep moving through the confusion. Faith is, as St. Paul
wrote, "the evidence of things unseen, the substance of things hoped
for". Cultivating compassion and humility, an ability to release
attachments; honing our intuitive skills, these are the tools we need
for Neptune in Aquarius.
It's in the midst of choas that the subtle powers of consciousness
have their most measurable influence. So each of us in our thoughts
and actions affects the outcome of Neptune in Aquarius.
We've already had a tutorial in how to handle Neptune-in-Aquarius-type
events. As Neptune and Uranus have been traveling closely for several
years, every hard aspect, from the four monthly moon aspects outward,
has given us ample opportunity to practice! So I'm not sure we'll see
a dramatic change, positive or negative.
DLS
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"RLS" <rls...@jersey.net> wrote:
>:i am not surprised this was posted through you......and i doubt you can site
>:any authentic reference.
it's a small point I know, but I just thought I'd *cite* that a "site"
is a location.
DLS
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that you for that correction, lynn. cite, site, sight...
Lynn wrote in message <68bddp$m...@nntp02.primenet.com>...
Cleopatme
who is this jonathan cainer and how has he become a respected professional? i
thought he was a journalist who merely did sun sign columns out of necessity
and that he is not a professional astrologer. my friends and i used to visit
his web-site and once we even e-mailed him only to find that when we called his
1-900 line that he was reading our letters and comments back to us. naturally,
we were confused because we did not consider this astrology, rather it seemed
sort of scammish.
since then we have tried to find something he has written on either astrology
or metaphysics, but we can only find beginner astrology books on sun-signs and
nothing more.
why would a professional astrologer consider him respectable in the field?
this makes me think twice about the motives of astrologers, particularly those
who write their forecasts like scripts off of letters they recieve.
i think there is a difference between honest astrologers and those who use the
medium and their audience as a money farm.
just my opinion.