Halleys and other Comets
Timothy G. Agin
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
> Enough has been said throughout history about comets being indicators of
> disaster or omens of negativity. Often, as with the traditional
> delineation of the planet Saturn, human nature has the inclination to
> dramatize and rationalize negative events with some outer symbol. More
> often than not, the tendency is to assign negativity to those things
> which are a) unfamiliar, and b) unusual or intermittent. This holds true
> for the subject of eclipses as well.
Just a thought along this line. In light of our growing awareness of the threat posed by meteor and comet
strikes on Earth, could this historical mistique be memory of past strikes? A book that I read a few years
ago discussed the evidence for a meteor strike as the cause of the loss of Atlantis and many other historical
events. The book is 'The Secret of Atlantis Revealed' by Otto Muck. The book is very professionally put
together, fully noted, etc. I only recently discovered that Otto Muck was the number two German rocket
scientist under Goddard during WW II. I have not been able to turn up another copy of this book. Any info
would be appreciated. Muck discovered a major meteor strike over Charleston, SC while studying high altitude
spy photos of America's east coast before the war. Otto's studies determined that the strike occured about
10,000 years ago, passing over and showering Charleston with fragments before shattering the Atlantic seabed.
The force was calculated to be enough to ripple the crustle plates and cause the Atlantic to spread in turn
causing a subsidence of the ocean bottom of about 10,000 feet. Muck suggests that Atlantis was what we now
call the Azores. A submerged plateau exists at the 10,000 foot level of the proper size to be Atlantis. Linked
to this also is the Deluge of the Bible. Allowing for error in time passage recording of oral tradition
cultures and calculations of the meteor strike puts the two events in very close proximity to each other. Also
suggested as a result of the meteor was a reason for the ending of the last Ice age. The timing is close
enough that reasonable error range could make them simultanious.
It would be interesting to see a modern study of this subject. Find more links, Study the crater's location in
depth, calculate effects of this proposed crustal shift around the world and try to find physical evidence,
Study of the Azores' Plateau for artifacts. Could be a lot of fun. Maybe the Bermuda Triangle is a result of
the impact crater. Charleston's earthquakes follow the pattern made be approx. 2000 small impacts as the earth
releaves the strain. Strange sand and gasses were spit up during their last quake about 1900. What might be
happening out in the ocean where the main meteor body is located?
An event of this magnitude during mankind's history would definately put a fear of the Gods and objects in the
sky in to any survivor's mind forever.
Enough for now. Anybody who knows where I can get another copy of this book please let me know. Thanks.
Strider.
Timothy G. Agin
Edmond, That last quote of a quote of a quote started to lose me. I hope
you didn't think I was attacking you. I am one among a group of
so-called "Techno-Pagans". My belief is that all things have an answer
that can be linked back to other things that we commonly understand.
Giant leaps of faith and completely mystical explanations without
connecting links cry out for study and understanding. I do not in the
slightest pretend that 'we' have the answers for all the mysterys of
this universe but that doesn't preclude their existence. From what I
understand of the Atlantean story none of the information is first hand,
i.e. artifacts, recognizable ruins, etc. We are left with many rumors. A
good place to start studying but not what you make your conclusions
from. I heard something regarding the crystal skull a year or two ago
saying it was a hoax. Sorry but I don't recall the details. The skull
obviously took skill to make but it is not impossible to do. We are so
atuned to a mechanized society that we have forgotten the skill of our
own hands. Practice, patience, and persistence can creat miracles.
Yours in the wonder of the world. Tim
Edmond Wollmann
Timothy G. Agin wrote:
>
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> >
> > Enough has been said throughout history about comets being indicators of
> > disaster or omens of negativity. Often, as with the traditional
> > delineation of the planet Saturn, human nature has the inclination to
> > dramatize and rationalize negative events with some outer symbol. More
> > often than not, the tendency is to assign negativity to those things
> > which are a) unfamiliar, and b) unusual or intermittent. This holds true
> > for the subject of eclipses as well.
>
> Just a thought along this line. In light of our growing awareness of the threat posed by meteor and comet
> strikes on Earth, could this historical mistique be memory of past strikes? A book that I read a few years
> ago discussed the evidence for a meteor strike as the cause of the loss of Atlantis and many other historical
> events.
Yes and the extiction of the dinosaurs as well-meteoric bombardment.
>The book is 'The Secret of Atlantis Revealed' by Otto Muck. The book is very professionally put
> together, fully noted, etc. I only recently discovered that Otto Muck was the number two German rocket
> scientist under Goddard during WW II.
Yes most of our space program was launched by these German scientists.
> I have not been able to turn up another copy of this book. Any info
> would be appreciated.
I have not heard of it but it sounds interesting. According to Edgar
Cayce it was techtonics that caused the demise of Atlantis.
> Muck discovered a major meteor strike over Charleston, SC while studying high altitude
> spy photos of America's east coast before the war. Otto's studies determined that the strike occured about
> 10,000 years ago, passing over and showering Charleston with fragments before shattering the Atlantic seabed.
Yes this has been verifyed to some degree by sediments found in caves in
the area.
> The force was calculated to be enough to ripple the crustle plates and cause the Atlantic to spread in turn
> causing a subsidence of the ocean bottom of about 10,000 feet.
According to some private sources I know of the misuse of crystal
focusing in Atlantis created a disharmonic alteration that had the effect
of which you speak-hence the effects in the Bermuda triangle on aviation
equipment.
> Muck suggests that Atlantis was what we now
> call the Azores. A submerged plateau exists at the 10,000 foot level of the proper size to be Atlantis. Linked
> to this also is the Deluge of the Bible. Allowing for error in time passage recording of oral tradition
> cultures and calculations of the meteor strike puts the two events in very close proximity to each other.
Yes mythology is usually based in some actual event and transferred this
way to carry instructional elements. If you will notice next time you go
to a museum, observe the astounding similarities to Mayan and Egyptian
artifacts. These are remnants of Atlantis culture also the crystal skull
found in Luubaantum (I believe that is the spelling).
> Also
> suggested as a result of the meteor was a reason for the ending of the last Ice age. The timing is close
> enough that reasonable error range could make them simultanious.
> It would be interesting to see a modern study of this subject.
Well it is my opinion that the dark body counterpart star proposed by
some astronomers of our sun is responsible for these periods and that
they regularly come. When this body enters the solar system it would
peturb much cometary and other material in the Oort cloud at the edge of
our solar system and drag it along as it entered. This is how Jupiter has
gotten so big, because it keeps collecting this debri as it is in the
orbital path of this dark body. This is also the way I believe that
Uranus magnetic poles were shifted.
>Find more links, Study the crater's location in
> depth, calculate effects of this proposed crustal shift around the world and try to find physical evidence,
> Study of the Azores' Plateau for artifacts. Could be a lot of fun. Maybe the Bermuda Triangle is a result of
> the impact crater.
Well it is pretty well known that the gulf of Mexico is one.
> Charleston's earthquakes follow the pattern made be approx. 2000 small impacts as the earth
> releaves the strain. Strange sand and gasses were spit up during their last quake about 1900. What might be
> happening out in the ocean where the main meteor body is located?
> An event of this magnitude during mankind's history would definately put a fear of the Gods and objects in the
> sky in to any survivor's mind forever.
Exactly! That is how mythology gets started.
> Enough for now. Anybody who knows where I can get another copy of this book please let me know. Thanks.
> Strider.
Thanks for your sharing very interesting isn't it? I believe we have had
major civilizations on this planet for millions of years. Have you ever
heard of a metal geode that was obviously constructed that dates to over
a million years in age? I have seen some things on this but was looking
for more info on it.
Ed
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Mathias Karlsson
In article <32061E...@mail.sdsu.edu>,
Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>Timothy G. Agin wrote:
>According to some private sources I know of the misuse of crystal
>focusing in Atlantis created a disharmonic alteration that had the effect
>of which you speak-hence the effects in the Bermuda triangle on aviation
>equipment.
Ah, another newage (rhymes with sewage) person who was the High Priestess in
Atlantis who has reincarnated? I have yet to find a cleaning maid from
Atlantis reincarnated...
>Well it is my opinion that the dark body counterpart star proposed by
>some astronomers of our sun is responsible for these periods and that
>they regularly come. When this body enters the solar system it would
If a body big enough to cause the shifts in Plutos orbit would *enter* the
solar system as far as Jupiter it would make mayhem out of Earths orbit. And
every other planet around...
>peturb much cometary and other material in the Oort cloud at the edge of
>our solar system and drag it along as it entered. This is how Jupiter has
>gotten so big, because it keeps collecting this debri as it is in the
This IS how Jupiter got so big? A nice astronomical statement backed up by
enormous amounts of fact I take it? Or might there be some other theories that
are backed by a wee bit more than guesswork out there? *cough* *cough*
>Thanks for your sharing very interesting isn't it? I believe we have had
>major civilizations on this planet for millions of years. Have you ever
>heard of a metal geode that was obviously constructed that dates to over
>a million years in age? I have seen some things on this but was looking
>for more info on it.
Millions of years? You mean that Lucy and her friends constructed
civilizations, and on top of that, civilizations found only by fringe groups?
You know, some mighty queer things are bound to happen by chance, and just a
geode is not enough to back up a claim of ancient civilizations. If you find a
geode together with organic waste, ceramic shards, bones with cutting marks
and whatnot, you might begin to consider a civilization...
>Ed
Edmond Wollmann
Mathias Karlsson wrote:
> In article <32061E...@mail.sdsu.edu>,
> Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
> >Timothy G. Agin wrote:
> >focusing in Atlantis created a disharmonic alteration that had the effect
> >of which you speak-hence the effects in the Bermuda triangle on aviation
> >equipment.
> Atlantis who has reincarnated? I have yet to find a cleaning maid from
> Atlantis reincarnated...
Ahh yes, another objective observer who somehow cannot read. please
identitfy where the discussion of INCARNATING from Atlantis was
discussed. Is your life so meaningless that you must make up and attach
issues to postings that never had that issue just to feel important?
> >Well it is my opinion that the dark body counterpart star proposed by
> >some astronomers of our sun is responsible for these periods and that
> >they regularly come. When this body enters the solar system it would
> If a body big enough to cause the shifts in Plutos orbit would *enter* the
> solar system as far as Jupiter it would make mayhem out of Earths orbit. And
> every other planet around...
Ahh, Mr. Objective speaks again. Please identify where I proclaimed the
SIZE of this body-or that it caused shifts in Pluto's orbit. You are not
seriously thinking you are being logically argumentative are you? Better
to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, rather than open it and
remove all doubt.
> >peturb much cometary and other material in the Oort cloud at the edge of
> >our solar system and drag it along as it entered. This is how Jupiter has
> >gotten so big, because it keeps collecting this debri as it is in the
> This IS how Jupiter got so big? A nice astronomical statement backed up by
> enormous amounts of fact I take it? Or might there be some other theories that
> are backed by a wee bit more than guesswork out there? *cough* *cough*
Well any student of astronomy (which I also am) would agree that Jupiters
size and placement is pretty generally thought to be the effect of
collecting cometary material. Did you not see Schumaker/Levi comet
collide with it? It was on all the television stations-what planet were
you on when this occurred? I would say that that "actually" happened.
> >Thanks for your sharing very interesting isn't it? I believe we have had
> >major civilizations on this planet for millions of years. Have you ever
> >heard of a metal geode that was obviously constructed that dates to over
> >a million years in age? I have seen some things on this but was looking
> >for more info on it.
> Millions of years? You mean that Lucy and her friends constructed
> civilizations, and on top of that, civilizations found only by fringe groups?
Boy you are gullible. Lucy is a hominid that is still under much scrutiny
as to what it is exactly "she" is. And dating keeps moving around all the
time. It has been revised upwards to more like 5 million and there are
differing opinions on the whole matter. That also does not mean that
hominids were not existing at the same time as modern humans either.
Remember (if you actually know of what you speak-which I doubt)
Neaderthals were thought to exist separately and are now know to have
co-existed with modern man. Please avail yourself of current thinking at
your nearest library.
> You know, some mighty queer things are bound to happen by chance, and just a
> geode is not enough to back up a claim of ancient civilizations. If you find a
> geode together with organic waste, ceramic shards, bones with cutting marks
> and whatnot, you might begin to consider a civilization...
It was what was in it that was astounding-and it wasn't any "bone
cutting" tool. It must be great to be so sure of things -or is that a
sign of your ignorance? History has proven my perspective more logical
than yours. But then I don't have any dogma to protect.
Silveroak
Mathias Karlsson (eg...@oden.se) wrote:
:
: Ah, another newage (rhymes with sewage) person who was the High Priestess in
: Atlantis reincarnated...
:
: >Well it is my opinion that the dark body counterpart star proposed by
: >some astronomers of our sun is responsible for these periods and that
: >they regularly come. When this body enters the solar system it would
:
: If a body big enough to cause the shifts in Plutos orbit would *enter* the
: solar system as far as Jupiter it would make mayhem out of Earths orbit. And
: every other planet around...
not really... after all, Pluto is much smaller than earth, to the point that
scientists are considering reclassifying it as a asteroid.
:
: >peturb much cometary and other material in the Oort cloud at the edge of
: >our solar system and drag it along as it entered. This is how Jupiter has
: >gotten so big, because it keeps collecting this debri as it is in the
:
: This IS how Jupiter got so big? A nice astronomical statement backed up by
: enormous amounts of fact I take it? Or might there be some other theories that
: are backed by a wee bit more than guesswork out there? *cough* *cough*
:
Not to mention the very thin evidence for the *existance* of an Oort
cloud...
SKE
Mathias Karlsson wrote:
>
> In article <32061E...@mail.sdsu.edu>,
> Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
> >Timothy G. Agin wrote:
>
> >focusing in Atlantis created a disharmonic alteration that had the effect
> >of which you speak-hence the effects in the Bermuda triangle on aviation
> >equipment.
>
> Atlantis who has reincarnated? I have yet to find a cleaning maid from
> Atlantis reincarnated...
>
> >some astronomers of our sun is responsible for these periods and that
> >they regularly come. When this body enters the solar system it would
>
> solar system as far as Jupiter it would make mayhem out of Earths orbit. And
> every other planet around...
>
> >our solar system and drag it along as it entered. This is how Jupiter has
> >gotten so big, because it keeps collecting this debri as it is in the
>
> enormous amounts of fact I take it? Or might there be some other theories that
> are backed by a wee bit more than guesswork out there? *cough* *cough*
>
> >major civilizations on this planet for millions of years. Have you ever
> >heard of a metal geode that was obviously constructed that dates to over
> >a million years in age? I have seen some things on this but was looking
> >for more info on it.
>
> civilizations, and on top of that, civilizations found only by fringe groups?
> geode is not enough to back up a claim of ancient civilizations. If you find a
> geode together with organic waste, ceramic shards, bones with cutting marks
> and whatnot, you might begin to consider a civilization...
>
Mathias, you must not challenge Ed's amusing theories. He's sure to barrage you
with a load of insults, including but not limited to how your basic insecurity
and unfilled need for recognition from your childhood causes you to ... (snip
psychobabble nonsense) or state that you are "autistic", and then promptly killfile
you.
It's his standard defensive response.
By the way Paul or anyone else -- the "dark body" mentioned above by Ed is I
presume the same one he was referring to in an earlier post ("Eons ago, the
dark body Nemesis passed through the solar system and ..." or something similar
-- I think the post was called "Uranus and Projection").He wrote about it having
a near-miss with Uranus or something as I recall (sorry if I am off on the details)
which shifted its axis.
Is there any scientific evidence that such a "dark body" (is that a real term
in astronomy? I've heard of dark matter, but not dark bodies) does pass through
the solar system, etc?
//SKE
D. Berry
Silveroak wrote:
>
> Mathias Karlsson (eg...@oden.se) wrote:
> :
> : Ah, another newage (rhymes with sewage) person who was the High Priestess in
> : Atlantis who has reincarnated? I have yet to find a cleaning maid from
> : Atlantis reincarnated...
>
> :
> : >some astronomers of our sun is responsible for these periods and that
> : >they regularly come. When this body enters the solar system it would
> : If a body big enough to cause the shifts in Plutos orbit would *enter* the
> : solar system as far as Jupiter it would make mayhem out of Earths orbit. And
> : every other planet around...
>
> scientists are considering reclassifying it as a asteroid.
>
> :
> : >our solar system and drag it along as it entered. This is how Jupiter has
> : >gotten so big, because it keeps collecting this debri as it is in the
> : This IS how Jupiter got so big? A nice astronomical statement backed up by
> : enormous amounts of fact I take it? Or might there be some other theories that
> : are backed by a wee bit more than guesswork out there? *cough* *cough*
>
> Not to mention the very thin evidence for the *existance* of an Oort
> cloud...
LIGHTEN UP! That's an order.
G1
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"Have a nice day" (J. Dauhmer)
D. Berry
While really really really PISSED! Mathias Karlsson wrote:
>
> In article <32061E...@mail.sdsu.edu>,
> Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
> >Timothy G. Agin wrote:
>
> >focusing in Atlantis created a disharmonic alteration that had the effect
> >of which you speak-hence the effects in the Bermuda triangle on aviation
> >equipment.
>
> Atlantis who has reincarnated? I have yet to find a cleaning maid from
> Atlantis reincarnated...
Well - I was a janitoress and a lowly midwife assistant in Atlantis.
I suppose that cleaning all those latrines is the reason that I'm a goddess now.
Y'know... Deposits in the karma bank, and all? Paybacks? But wouldn't ya
know that I'd get reincarnated as a goddess (finally) in a time where goddi
are no longer revered?
> >Well it is my opinion that the dark body counterpart star proposed by
> >some astronomers of our sun is responsible for these periods and that
> >they regularly come. When this body enters the solar system it would
>
> If a body big enough to cause the shifts in Plutos orbit would *enter* the
> solar system as far as Jupiter it would make mayhem out of Earths orbit.
> And
> every other planet around...
Righty-O
> >peturb much cometary and other material in the Oort cloud at the edge of
> >our solar system and drag it along as it entered. This is how Jupiter has
> >gotten so big, because it keeps collecting this debri as it is in the
>
> This IS how Jupiter got so big? A nice astronomical statement backed up > > by
Uh.. hold it. I was also the Keeper of the Emphatic in Atlantis, and your
emphatic is incorrect here. The correct emphatic would be: "THIS is how
Jupiter.. etc???" Otherwise you're just too burlesque. See the diff?
> enormous amounts of fact I take it? Or might there be some other theories
> that
> are backed by a wee bit more than guesswork out there? *cough* *cough*
Hmm.. as a midwife, I can't help that cough.. BUT if you ever suffer from
PMS or breech delivery, give me a call.
> >Thanks for your sharing very interesting isn't it? I believe we have had
> >major civilizations on this planet for millions of years. Have you ever
> >heard of a metal geode that was obviously constructed that dates to over
> >a million years in age? I have seen some things on this but was looking
> >for more info on it.
>
> Millions of years? You mean that Lucy and her friends constructed
> civilizations, and on top of that, civilizations found only by fringe groups?
Sure. What? You haven't met them???
> You know, some mighty queer things are bound to happen by chance, and
> just a geode is not enough to back up a claim of ancient civilizations. If you
> find a geode together with organic waste, ceramic shards, bones with
> cutting marks and whatnot, you might begin to consider a civilization..
>
> >Ed
Ah, le bon chance! Vive l'chance! (I'd argue about the cutting marks on
bones, though. Too often gnaw marks are mistaken for actual cuts. And the
ceramic shards aren't always required. But you simply cannot consider a
civilization without the 'whatnot'.)
G1
*********************************************************
Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
And the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they
pissed me off. (J. G. Bullers)
Edmond Wollmann
Ross Levis wrote:
> This is all very interesting. I've read a few spirit channeling books
> which say very similar things about Atlantis and past civilisations.
> According to these channnelers there have been many civilizations
> throughout the history of this planet and 1 or 2 other planets in our
> solar system.
I wrote this in 1994
It definitely will be a diminution to the ego of this civilization when
it discovers the remains of its' past, where it never learned this
lesson (about domination), in the red ruins of the ancient "God of War",
Mars.
> The Atlantians were fully conscious beings that had a very advanced
> civilization. It was much unlike our own however. They did not need
> electricity or electronics etc. Apparently a group of them could travel
> in a vehicle large distances by using their combined mind power.
This is how aliens travel by linking their mind to the craft.To space
travel you must time travel, as they are both "aspects" of 3D
physicality.
> Unfortunately, they got a bit power hungry and started playing around
> with things that they should have left alone. eg. DNA manipulation among
> others. Apparently we now are the result of these manipulations in that
> they reduced the number of DNA strands (or something) and reduced our
> ability to obtain full spiritual consciousness. Something to do with
> keeping others in the dark to give themselves more power. This is also
> how the so called Greek (and other) Gods found there way into
> mythology. They were just ordinary Atlantians that were fully
> conscious and therefore, in the eyes of the peasants, had God like
> abilities.
Yes, and the domination and extinction of the neaderthals is the result
of this "fall" into domination. The US is the reincarnation collectively
of the Atlantean idea-hence the race issues. The pyramid with the eye at
the apex is listed on our own currency!
> This only scrapes the surface of the history of the earth.
> Evidence is out there somewhere.
And it will begin to accelarate, and by 2015 a powerful paradigm shift
occurs.
> --
> Ross Levis
"Oh but its hard to live by the rules, I never did and STILL never do!
Heros and such never bother me! I call the shots-and they follow!"
The Pretenders
Ross Levis
This is all very interesting. I've read a few spirit channeling books
which say very similar things about Atlantis and past civilisations.
According to these channnelers there have been many civilizations
throughout the history of this planet and 1 or 2 other planets in our
solar system.
The Atlantians were fully conscious beings that had a very advanced
civilization. It was much unlike our own however. They did not need
electricity or electronics etc. Apparently a group of them could travel
in a vehicle large distances by using their combined mind power.
Unfortunately, they got a bit power hungry and started playing around
with things that they should have left alone. eg. DNA manipulation among
others. Apparently we now are the result of these manipulations in that
they reduced the number of DNA strands (or something) and reduced our
ability to obtain full spiritual consciousness. Something to do with
keeping others in the dark to give themselves more power. This is also
how the so called Greek (and other) Gods found there way into
mythology. They were just ordinary Atlantians that were fully
conscious and therefore, in the eyes of the peasants, had God like
abilities.
This only scrapes the surface of the history of the earth.
Evidence is out there somewhere.
--
Ross Levis
Troy Will
In article <320881...@enternet.co.nz>,
Ross Levis <ro...@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
>
>Unfortunately, they got a bit power hungry and started playing around
>with things that they should have left alone. eg. DNA manipulation among
>others. Apparently we now are the result of these manipulations in that
>they reduced the number of DNA strands (or something) and reduced our
>ability to obtain full spiritual consciousness. Something to do with
>keeping others in the dark to give themselves more power. This is also
>how the so called Greek (and other) Gods found there way into
>mythology. They were just ordinary Atlantians that were fully
>conscious and therefore, in the eyes of the peasants, had God like
>abilities.
I thought Ialdabaoth did that.
Cheers,
--
Troy Will
troy...@math.ohio-state.edu
Joyce Hoen
MK> Ah, another newage (rhymes with sewage) person who was the High Priestess
MK> in Atlantis who has reincarnated? I have yet to find a cleaning maid from
MK> Atlantis reincarnated...
Mathias: there might really not be so much difference between these two..
except that you have social status in your mind which is not the right
perspective in terms of evolution.
Regards,
Joyce (who now lives in a 450 yr old house where she was a cleaning maid in
centuries past...)
---
Carla Gilless
Mathias Karlsson wrote:
>
> In article <32061E...@mail.sdsu.edu>,
> Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
> >Timothy G. Agin wrote:
>
> >focusing in Atlantis created a disharmonic alteration that had the effect
> >of which you speak-hence the effects in the Bermuda triangle on aviation
> >equipment.
>
> Atlantis who has reincarnated? I have yet to find a cleaning maid from
> And the private source is, most likely, a very bad B movie made in the 50's or 60's, whose title I forget
exactly but is something like "The Sinking of Atlantis". The plot is that a poor Greek fisherman finds a
'nubile' young woman floating on a raft in the sea, rescues her and takes her home for recuperation. She, of
course, is an Atlantean princess whose submarine (!) was attacked by a giant squid. She steals his boat
(ungrateful wretch) to go home to Papa, he follows, and her submarine catches up to them. In Atlantis, after
various heroic challenges, he uncovers the nefarious plot by the high priest to use...aha...giant crystals to
defeat the rest of the world and make Atlantis supreme. Of course, the crystals are too powerful to control,
being much bigger than the ones used for 'normal energy' use in Atlantis, and our hero and heroine, turn them
on Atlantis itself--which thereupon sinks into the sea and all of its survivors go to the four corners of the
world.
Isn't it amazing how so many of the 'newage' ideas and past life delusions resemble Hollywood at its' campiest
best? And we all know that only the high born reincarnate, the slaves, serfs and other poor folk come back as
cattle--or sheep.
Carla G.
Opinions, biased and otherwise, are mine--all mine--so get your own.
Edmond Wollmann
Carla Gilless wrote:
> Mathias Karlsson wrote:
> > In article <32061E...@mail.sdsu.edu>,
> > Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
> > >Timothy G. Agin wrote:
> > >According to some private sources I know of the misuse of crystal
> > >focusing in Atlantis created a disharmonic alteration that had the effect
> > >of which you speak-hence the effects in the Bermuda triangle on aviation
> > >equipment.
> > Ah, another newage (rhymes with sewage) person who was the High Priestess in
> > Atlantis who has reincarnated? I have yet to find a cleaning maid from
> > Atlantis reincarnated...
> > And the private source is, most likely, a very bad B movie made in the 50's or 60's, whose title I forget
> exactly but is something like "The Sinking of Atlantis".
Since this was posted to new age newsgroups, and you answered, what was
it that you would like to discuss about this idea?-or is this your debate
material here- because if it is your in trouble. If you are addressing me
directly I suggest your attack be head on.
<Sarcasm in the attempt to be derogatory without real confrontation
deleted>
> Isn't it amazing how so many of the 'newage' ideas and past life delusions resemble Hollywood at its' campiest
> best?
Please explain. No one was even discussing reincarnation of Atlanteans at
at all but it seems the two of you were poised and ready to present
sarcasm with no facts. Which new age ideas are you talking about?, and
what facts do you have or coherent arguments to present so that I can
understand your disgust for something you obviously haven't thought twice
about. Please explain the construction methods of the crystal skull
(Mitchell-Hedges discovery in 27) and how this item was created. It
cannot be replicated with todays technology and is well over 3000 years
old.
> And we all know that only the high born reincarnate, the slaves, serfs and other poor folk come back as
> cattle--or sheep.
You cannot reincarnate to a lower level (at least in my understanding of
the scheme)animals are in a group consciousness.It seems that you came
back to meet me-well here I am-engage.
> Carla G.
>
> Opinions, biased and otherwise, are mine--all mine--so get your own.
I did not detect any opinions, and believe me I have some.
"He who thinks he knows doesn't, but he who knows he doesn't know-does"
Joeseph Campbell-The Power of the Myth
"I don't want to BE right, I want to know WHETHER I am right."
Albert Einstein
Edmond Wollmann
Timothy G. Agin wrote:
>
> Edmond, That last quote of a quote of a quote started to lose me. I hope
> you didn't think I was attacking you.
Best I can tell others interrupted our interesting conversation and
started trying to run down Atlantis. Go back and see if I am correct or
not. I believe we were generally in agreement and talking about meteoric
bombardment and the like. I am lost as well and will refrain from
answering because I don't want to promote fallaciousness. This is what
happens when naysayers just wish to jump in to put there 2 cents which is
usually the extent of the contribution.
Thanks
Ed
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Timothy G. Agin (tga...@txdirect.net) wrote:
: Edmond Wollmann wrote:
: >
: > Enough has been said throughout history about comets being indicators of
: > disaster or omens of negativity. Often, as with the traditional
: > delineation of the planet Saturn, human nature has the inclination to
: > dramatize and rationalize negative events with some outer symbol. More
: > often than not, the tendency is to assign negativity to those things
: > which are a) unfamiliar, and b) unusual or intermittent. This holds true
: > for the subject of eclipses as well.
: Just a thought along this line. In light of our growing awareness of the threat posed by meteor and comet
: strikes on Earth, could this historical mistique be memory of past strikes? A book that I read a few years
: ago discussed the evidence for a meteor strike as the cause of the loss of Atlantis and many other historical
: events. The book is 'The Secret of Atlantis Revealed' by Otto Muck. The book is very professionally put
: together, fully noted, etc. I only recently discovered that Otto Muck was the number two German rocket
: scientist under Goddard during WW II. I have not been able to turn up another copy of this book. Any info
: would be appreciated. Muck discovered a major meteor strike over Charleston, SC while studying high altitude
: spy photos of America's east coast before the war. Otto's studies determined that the strike occured about
: 10,000 years ago, passing over and showering Charleston with fragments before shattering the Atlantic seabed.
: The force was calculated to be enough to ripple the crustle plates and cause the Atlantic to spread in turn
: causing a subsidence of the ocean bottom of about 10,000 feet. Muck suggests that Atlantis was what we now
: call the Azores. A submerged plateau exists at the 10,000 foot level of the proper size to be Atlantis. Linked
: to this also is the Deluge of the Bible. Allowing for error in time passage recording of oral tradition
: cultures and calculations of the meteor strike puts the two events in very close proximity to each other. Also
: suggested as a result of the meteor was a reason for the ending of the last Ice age. The timing is close
: enough that reasonable error range could make them simultanious.
: It would be interesting to see a modern study of this subject. Find more links, Study the crater's location in
: depth, calculate effects of this proposed crustal shift around the world and try to find physical evidence,
: Study of the Azores' Plateau for artifacts. Could be a lot of fun. Maybe the Bermuda Triangle is a result of
: the impact crater. Charleston's earthquakes follow the pattern made be approx. 2000 small impacts as the earth
: releaves the strain. Strange sand and gasses were spit up during their last quake about 1900. What might be
: happening out in the ocean where the main meteor body is located?
: An event of this magnitude during mankind's history would definately put a fear of the Gods and objects in the
: sky in to any survivor's mind forever.
: Enough for now. Anybody who knows where I can get another copy of this book please let me know. Thanks.
: Strider.
Atlantis has already been found, off the coast of Greece, by jacque
coustoue, right where homer said it would be
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Mathias Karlsson
In article <32076...@mail.sdsu.edu>,
Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>Ahh yes, another objective observer who somehow cannot read. please
>identitfy where the discussion of INCARNATING from Atlantis was
>discussed. Is your life so meaningless that you must make up and attach
>issues to postings that never had that issue just to feel important?
Ah, sorry, I took for granted that all "crystals in Atlantis" people were in
the reincarnation leaugue. If you are not, cough up your evidence for the
crystal view.
>Well any student of astronomy (which I also am) would agree that Jupiters
>size and placement is pretty generally thought to be the effect of
>collecting cometary material. Did you not see Schumaker/Levi comet
>collide with it? It was on all the television stations-what planet were
>you on when this occurred? I would say that that "actually" happened.
I know that it sucks up comets now. But it must have started out pretty big to
begin to draw in enough comets to build some significant mass. The moon has
had it's share of comets without such a radical growth. (And theories on the
gaseous giants are pretty divergent. I can dig in a few weeks when I get back
to my universities library. (And my professors.))
>Boy you are gullible. Lucy is a hominid that is still under much scrutiny
>as to what it is exactly "she" is. And dating keeps moving around all the
>time. It has been revised upwards to more like 5 million and there are
>differing opinions on the whole matter. That also does not mean that
>hominids were not existing at the same time as modern humans either.
>Remember (if you actually know of what you speak-which I doubt)
>Neaderthals were thought to exist separately and are now know to have
>co-existed with modern man. Please avail yourself of current thinking at
>your nearest library.
Ah, so if Neanderthals (with archeological evidence to support it) existed at
the same time as Homo Sapiens then Lucy did too? (Without archeological
evidence to support it.) The hominids were the highest evolved (if you see
humans as the peak) around at that time, according to archeological finds. But
if you want to invent a new race based on one single piece of metal, be my
guest.
>It was what was in it that was astounding-and it wasn't any "bone
>cutting" tool.
So, state what it was, and how you can be certain that there was a whole
civilization around to produce one queer artefact.
>It must be great to be so sure of things -or is that a
>sign of your ignorance?
My ignorance of what? The total truth of Däniken?
>History has proven my perspective more logical
>than yours.
What is your perspective? That science is not always right, then you can make
up any theory you want?
>But then I don't have any dogma to protect.
Sure sounds like you do.
Mathias Karlsson
In article <87c_960...@idn.nl>,
joyce...@astronet.idn.nl (Joyce Hoen) wrote:
>
> MK> Ah, another newage (rhymes with sewage) person who was the High
Priestess
> MK> in Atlantis who has reincarnated? I have yet to find a cleaning maid
from
> MK> Atlantis reincarnated...
>
>Mathias: there might really not be so much difference between these two..
>except that you have social status in your mind which is not the right
>perspective in terms of evolution.
I don't mind cleaning maids myself. Helpful critters. :) But I have met my
share of newagers who are reincarnated High Priestesses. (Throws a bit of
suspicion on their intervening lives, but still...) Unless offcourse the
cleaning maids were the upper casts, and High Priestesses were 13 to a dozen
in Atlantis. That would explain it all... ;)
Mathias Karlsson
In article <3208B3...@mail.sdsu.edu>,
Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>This is how aliens travel by linking their mind to the craft.To space
You *know* how aliens travel? How did you obtain this information?
>travel you must time travel, as they are both "aspects" of 3D
>physicality.
Yes, you "time travel" every time you take the car down to the local mall.
>And it will begin to accelarate, and by 2015 a powerful paradigm shift
>occurs.
Exactly in that year, or in the vicinity? Is this a prophecy (of the vaguest
sort) or just guesswork?
EWollmann
In article <32076...@mail.sdsu.edu>,
Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>Ahh yes, another objective observer who somehow cannot read. please
>identitfy where the discussion of INCARNATING from Atlantis was
>discussed. Is your life so meaningless that you must make up and attach
>issues to postings that never had that issue just to feel important?
Ah, sorry, I took for granted that all "crystals in Atlantis" people were
in
the reincarnation leaugue. If you are not, cough up your evidence for the
crystal view.
A) I believe in reincarnation. B) The point was you didn't read the
subject matter you just started criticising which is the sign of 1) you
don't know how to read or 2) you know how to read and therefore ignore
content. So that C) You are killfile material, because you are not
questioning, you are a cynic.
>Well any student of astronomy (which I also am) would agree that
Jupiter's
>size and placement is pretty generally thought to be the effect of
>collecting cometary material. Did you not see Schumaker/Levi comet
>collide with it? It was on all the television stations-what planet were
>you on when this occurred? I would say that that "actually" happened.
I know that it sucks up comets now. But it must have started out pretty
big to
begin to draw in enough comets to build some significant mass. The moon
has
had it's share of comets without such a radical growth. (And theories on
the
gaseous giants are pretty divergent. I can dig in a few weeks when I get
back
to my universities library. (And my professors.))
Orbital placement, and isn't your university library open in the summer?
Mine is.
>Boy you are gullible. Lucy is a hominid that is still under much scrutiny
>as to what it is exactly "she" is. And dating keeps moving around all the
>time. It has been revised upwards to more like 5 million and there are
>differing opinions on the whole matter. That also does not mean that
>hominids were not existing at the same time as modern humans either.
>Remember (if you actually know of what you speak-which I doubt)
>Neaderthals were thought to exist separately and are now know to have
>co-existed with modern man. Please avail yourself of current thinking at
>your nearest library.
Ah, so if Neanderthals (with archeological evidence to support it) existed
at
the same time as Homo Sapiens then Lucy did too? (Without archeological
evidence to support it.)
Where's Lucy's skull? Isn't that a pretty important piece? There is just a
sprinkling of bones that archeaologists have and there's a whole theory
constructed on that, so you are walking on thin ice talking about
evidence.
The hominids were the highest evolved (if you see
humans as the peak) around at that time, according to archeological finds.
Correction-based on the theories of the most forceful and influencial
proponents ABOUT the finds-which are very minimal.
But
if you want to invent a new race based on one single piece of metal, be my
guest.
Why not archeaologists, Egyptologists-and many other disciplines do it all
the time. But thats not what I said anyway, I was speculating on the
possibility of existance being older than proposed by these "proponents".
>It was what was in it that was astounding-and it wasn't any "bone
>cutting" tool.
So, state what it was, and how you can be certain that there was a whole
civilization around to produce one queer artefact.
Nor is it intelligent to build one's whole of the mental agility and
substance around the opinions of a few hardheads with very few facts or
evidence-but you seem to be content with that.
>It must be great to be so sure of things -or is that a
>sign of your ignorance?
My ignorance of what? The total truth of D niken?
Your obvious ignorance-of the "truth" of anything. Who said anything about
Daniken? This demonstrates that you have no current knowledge of physics
or metaphysics. You are a cynic, who substitutes straw men and subjects to
replace the actual content of a discussion you weren't even involved in,
because you cannot add anything of substance either in support or
detraction - therefore you'll get no answers and be killfiled. If you were
capable of presenting arguments without bringing irrelevance in, in order
to gain some "coloring" advantage, I may have continued.
>History has proven my perspective more logical
>than yours.
What is your perspective? That science is not always right, then you can
make
up any theory you want?
This is an "argumentum ad ignorantium" fallacy (appeal to ignorance) in
which you commit it in an attempt to create the straw man which you would
then attempt knock down. This can also be found in your library when you
go back, its called logic. I know more about science than you do about
metaphysics, therefore you teach best what you need to learn.
>But then I don't have any dogma to protect.
Sure sounds like you do.
Who would feel more secure, a person clinging by their fingernails on the
side of a 10,000ft cliff, or a person stable, comfortable and relaxing in
their lounge chair or sofa at home? Rigid rules are for cliffhangers. I
can move anywhere with ease.
Edmond Wollmann
Begin standard cynic response;
Cynics will not "believe" things regardless of "factors" because it is a
matter of belief. It would therefore be foolish to chase the obviously
futile and speculative arguments with skeptical minds. Analytical
discernment begs for efficiency. I therefore respectfully beg to differ
and offer sincere success in your future search for truths. There is no
one truth EXCEPT that THE truth is the composition of all truths. Absence
of evidence is not evidence of absence-it may be a difference in root
assumptions.
My particular "Universes of inquiry" are psychology and astrology, I
respect all inquiry and the paradigms that articulate them.
Paradigms form from sets of beliefs and assumptions. To clarify the idea
of
paradigms here is a quote from experimentation in abnormal psychology
taken from Thomas Kuhn's veiw, author of the widely acknowledged "The
Structure Of Scientific Revolutions";
"We believe every effort should be made to study abnormal behavior
according to scientific principles. It should be clear at this point
however, that science is NOT a completely objective and certain
enterprise. Rather, as we can infer by the comment from Kuhn, subjective
factors, as well as limitations in our perspective on the universe, enter
into the conduct of scientific enquiry. Central to any application of
scientific principles, in Kuhn's veiw, is the concept of a paradigm, a
conceptual framework or approach within which a scientist works. A
paradigm according to Kuhn, is a set of basic assumptions that outline
the PARTICULAR UNIVERSE OF SCIENTIFIC ENQUIRY..." (my emphasis) University
of Southern California", State University of New York" Davidson and Neale,
6th
edition, 1996. Wiley and sons publishers.
"It is the theory that determines what we can observe." Albert Einstein
Thank you for your contributions.
This is also available at your university library.
EWollmann
In article <3208B3...@mail.sdsu.edu>,
Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>This is how aliens travel by linking their mind to the craft.To space
You *know* how aliens travel? How did you obtain this information?
Connections!:-)))
>travel you must time travel, as they are both "aspects" of 3D
>physicality.
Yes, you "time travel" every time you take the car down to the local mall.
Read some relativity theories, space and time are ASPECTS of physicality
or 3D.
>And it will begin to accelarate, and by 2015 a powerful paradigm shift
>occurs.
Exactly in that year, or in the vicinity? Is this a prophecy (of the
vaguest
sort) or just guesswork?
2012-2015-culminating in 2015. Precise astrological calculations, a
recognition of the momentum of the collectivity, and psychological
awareness-you'll be there probably so we'll see if I am correct or not.
There is an article I have coming out soon entitled "Paradigm shift 2012"
if you are really interested, you can reveiw it, I will announce it when I
know the publication date.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A., AFAN, ISAR
Jonathan Pixley
Timothy G. Agin (tga...@txdirect.net) wrote:
: Just a thought along this line. In light of our growing awareness of the
: threat posed by meteor and comet
: strikes on Earth, could this historical mistique be memory of past strikes?
: A book that I read a few years
: ago discussed the evidence for a meteor strike as the cause of the loss of
: Atlantis and many other historical
: events. The book is 'The Secret of Atlantis Revealed' by Otto Muck. The book
: is very professionally put
: together, fully noted, etc. I only recently discovered that Otto Muck was
: the number two German rocket
Look for a book by Charles Pellegrino (sp?) called
_Unearthing_Atlantis_. They found it. It's a tiny Greek island called
Thera. No really. Part of the old Minoan civilization. Hate to be the
one to break it to you. (well, not enough to not do it)
Jon
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Joyce Hoen
JP> Look for a book by Charles Pellegrino (sp?) called
JP> _Unearthing_Atlantis_. They found it. It's a tiny Greek island called
JP> Thera. No really. Part of the old Minoan civilization. Hate to be the
Global Synchronicity : just yesterday I read about the origins of the word
Therapy/ Therapeutae: apparently meaning disciples or sons of Thera.
In the hierarchical order of Buddhist monks Thera was the abt, and putra is
Sanskrit for son. (Source: Selvarajan Yesudian).
(Sorry has nothing to do with comets unless comets are seen as messengers
announcing the coming and going of "Thera" or Masters, as in the case of
Halley and Krishnamurti)
greetings,
Joyce
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Dan Evens wrote:
>
> Joyce Hoen wrote:
> > Global Synchronicity : just yesterday I read about the origins of the word
> > Therapy/ Therapeutae: apparently meaning disciples or sons of Thera.
> > In the hierarchical order of Buddhist monks Thera was the abt, and putra is
> > Sanskrit for son. (Source: Selvarajan Yesudian).
>
>
> NL therapia < Gk therapeia *healing*
>
> Meaning, therapy is from neo-latin, descended from the greek,
> and means "healing."
>
I'm afraid I have to agree with Dan. My "Dictionary of Word Origins"
(which does take into account Sanskrit origins as well), says:
"Greek théraps denoted an attendant. From it was derived the verb
therapeuein, attend, administer treatment to--which itself produced two
further derivatives : therapeia "treatment" which gave English
therapy..."
I'm sure Achillles Sulking can back Dan and me up on this one. Achilles:
get out of your tent and strap on your shield!!! Hector's about to flame
the Athenians.
Scribbler
Dan Evens
Joyce Hoen wrote:
> Global Synchronicity : just yesterday I read about the origins of the word
> Therapy/ Therapeutae: apparently meaning disciples or sons of Thera.
> In the hierarchical order of Buddhist monks Thera was the abt, and putra is
> Sanskrit for son. (Source: Selvarajan Yesudian).
From Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary:
NL therapia < Gk therapeia *healing*
Meaning, therapy is from neo-latin, descended from the greek,
and means "healing."
--
The preceding are my opinions alone and have nothing
whatever to do with my employer. I don't even know what my
employer thinks. I'm not even real sure who the CEO is.
Dan Evens
Paul Rydeen
Dan Evens wrote:
> (snip)
The origin of the word "therapist" is even more interesting. Therapist = the rapist!
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Joyce Hoen (joyce...@astronet.idn.nl) wrote:
: JP> Look for a book by Charles Pellegrino (sp?) called
: JP> _Unearthing_Atlantis_. They found it. It's a tiny Greek island called
: JP> Thera. No really. Part of the old Minoan civilization. Hate to be the
: Global Synchronicity : just yesterday I read about the origins of the word
: Therapy/ Therapeutae: apparently meaning disciples or sons of Thera.
: In the hierarchical order of Buddhist monks Thera was the abt, and putra is
: Sanskrit for son. (Source: Selvarajan Yesudian).
: (Sorry has nothing to do with comets unless comets are seen as messengers
: announcing the coming and going of "Thera" or Masters, as in the case of
: Halley and Krishnamurti)
: greetings,
: Joyce
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: * The Future is the Present liberated from the Past *
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Thats what I said, but jacque cousteau found it a long time ago,
but now there just starting to check on it
Gregoire
= the rapist!
-> --
-> Paul Rydeen
And "assure's" "origin" is "ass-you-are". Etymology is something
quite different from breaking words up to make smaller words.
(Try "therap-", Anatolian prefix meaning attendant.)
--
Gregoire (Mer...@servtech.com)
"Please, can someone direct me to the beginning of things?"
Gregoire
Tom Gossard
In article <4v5i03$b...@access4.digex.net>, dick...@access4.digex.net
(Dick Eney) wrote:
>In article <3215FD...@ktc.com>, Paul Rydeen <pjry...@ktc.com> wrote:
>>Dan Evens wrote:
>>> (snip)
>>
>>The origin of the word "therapist" is even more interesting. Therapist
= the rapist!
>>--
>>Paul Rydeen
>>mailto:pjry...@ktc.com
>>http://stargate.nortel.net/~pjrydeen/pjrydeen.html
>>
>>Ablanathanalba.
Origin of that joke was Benny Hill, years ago.
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"I believe in everything; nothing is sacred.
. . .
I believe in nothing; everything is sacred."
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Ilya Shambat
Paul Rydeen (pjry...@ktc.com) wrote:
: The origin of the word "therapist" is even more interesting. Therapist
: = the rapist!
As the Resident Psychopath Psychotherapist, I concur.
Always ready to admit new patients,
- DR. ROCKET.
JMWindgate
The origin cited seems very clear and correct for me. I am in therapy and
it does involve a great deal of healing. I would not be able to go
outside if I had not healed a great deal. Truly....
Be well....
Shalom,
Nicole Maschke
aka Jupiter Nicole Windgate
Human Rights Web Site: http://members.aol.com/jmwindgate/wingate.html
Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102
Email: jmwin...@aol.com
Entropy
> Dan Evens wrote:
> > (snip)
>
> The origin of the word "therapist" is even more interesting. Therapist
= the rapist!
Paul, what joy do you get from posting such bullshit?
Therapy, from the latin therapia, "healing."
and
Therapeutic, from the latin therapeuticus, "to attend, to treat medically."
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>Joyce Hoen (joyce...@astronet.idn.nl) wrote:
>: greetings,
>: Joyce
WOULD YOU KINDLY LOOK FOR THE _RELEVANT_ NEWSGROUPS BEFORE YOU
CROSS-POST A LOT OF OFF-TOPIC RAMBLINGS.
THIS WAS POSTED TO ALT.RELIGION.SHAMANISM TOGETHER WITH AT LEAST A
DOZEN OF OTHERS.
IF YOU ENJOY SPAMMING AND COMMERCIALIZING YOU SPIRITUALITY THAT'S
FINE, BUT SPARE THE REST OF THE WORLD!
IF YOU HAVE AN EGO THAT NEEDS TO BE CONFIRMED THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE
THAT A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE CAN HEAR YOU, MAY I SUGGEST GOING OUT AND
SHOUTING IN THE STREETS?
"What's the difference between New Age and Pagan?
About $500.00 a weekend."
Sinclair Andersen, Sweden, Europe
MLYoung
: JP> Look for a book by Charles Pellegrino (sp?) called
: JP> _Unearthing_Atlantis_. They found it. It's a tiny Greek island
called
: JP> Thera. No really. Part of the old Minoan civilization. Hate to
be the
.
--
Thats what I said, but jacque cousteau found it a long time ago,
but now there just starting to check on it
--
Thira's not underwater and the small island is better known as
Santorini. There's an ongoing excavation of a large Minoan city--
so large that it's estimated that it will take 100 years to complete--
so far they've 20 years under their belt. Given that Santorini is
a sliver of a large island that blew up, who knows what other cities
there might have been on the original island that were completely
destroyed. Certainly, the one on Santorini's quite sophisticated.
margaret
Ern
Joyce Hoen
+HH?> WOULD YOU KINDLY LOOK FOR THE _RELEVANT_ NEWSGROUPS BEFORE YOU
+HH?> CROSS-POST A LOT OF OFF-TOPIC RAMBLINGS.
I must admit it is quite a strange experience for me to just post an
observation to Alt. Astrology to find out a few days later that other people
react to it and crosspost it to many other newsgroups and to find all kinds of
crazy comments in my email... I don't understand either why this happens.
regards,
Ronald
On 22 Aug 96 08:17:03 , joyce...@astronet.idn.nl (Joyce Hoen) wrote:
>I must admit it is quite a strange experience for me to just post an
>observation to Alt. Astrology to find out a few days later that other people
>react to it and crosspost it to many other newsgroups and to find all kinds of
>crazy comments in my email... I don't understand either why this happens.
For some cross posting is a toy they have just discovered and they
want to play. Others think that what they have to say is very
important and they seek a wider audience.
For those who still believe in netiquette there are three simple
rules:
- don't post off-topic
- don't spam
- don't crosspost, and when you do restrict the number of groups.
Unfortunately many newbies try to invent the wheel over and over
again. Others just don't care or refuse to understand.
Ronald
jos...@we.got.net
In article <868_960...@idn.nl> joyce...@astronet.idn.nl (Joyce
Hoen) writes:
> JP> Look for a book by Charles Pellegrino (sp?) called
> JP> _Unearthing_Atlantis_. They found it. It's a tiny Greek
> JP> island called Thera. No really. Part of the old Minoan
> JP> civilization.
old news.
> Global Synchronicity : just yesterday I read about the origins of
> the word Therapy/ Therapeutae: apparently meaning disciples or
> sons of Thera.
source?
> In the hierarchical order of Buddhist monks Thera was the abt, and
> putra is Sanskrit for son. (Source: Selvarajan Yesudian).
is he really deriving old greek from sanskrit? I thought that the two
were more divergent from the PIE stem for that to be valid. still,
interesting.
more critically, is he actually deriving a greek word in common
ancient use from a particular historical buddhist abbot? I find that
to be unlikely on the face of it.
josh
jos...@we.got.net
Joyce Hoen
Op Donderdag 29 Augustus 1996 om 12:20 schreef jos...@we.got.net o.a. aan
All:
>> Global Synchronicity : just yesterday I read about the origins of
>> the word Therapy/ Therapeutae: apparently meaning disciples or
>> sons of Thera.
jgn> source?
See below.
>> In the hierarchical order of Buddhist monks Thera was the abt, and
>> putra is Sanskrit for son. (Source: Selvarajan Yesudian).
jgn> is he really deriving old greek from sanskrit? I thought that the two
jgn> were more divergent from the PIE stem for that to be valid. still,
jgn> interesting.
jgn> more critically, is he actually deriving a greek word in common
jgn> ancient use from a particular historical buddhist abbot? I find that
jgn> to be unlikely on the face of it.
Dear Josh,
maybe, maybe not.
Apart from all the literalness or truth of this, the reminder of therapists
being disciples of an abbot, brings in the idea of therapists being servants
or disciples of God, or an ultimate Source, which is why I liked the
comparison, though I realize most people won't see it this way.
Another post mentioned therapist meaning just simply "healer" from Greek.
But what is the fundamental Source of Healing? It is love and compassion, and
who owns those? Where does it come from?
Anyway, according to the source quoted, (the book in German is called "Steh
Auf und sei Frei" ) this derivation of the word therapist came to Swami
Vivekananda in a lucid dream when he was aboard a ship near the isle of Crete,
Greece, early january 1897.
Greetings,