An Astrological Picture Of The Tragedy
Fredric L. Rice
> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
>
> > Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >> In my opinion, Dark Moon Lilith was the trigger, moving as it does 3
> >> degrees per day.
> > Ah, so it _wasn't_ religious extremism then? It was
> > the position of the planets. Amazing!
>
> Forgive me for stating the obvious, and for making the assumption that you
> have the mental capacity to understand this, but besides the obvious human
> element, there is an astrological timing device at work, which I refer to
> as a trigger.
What utterly insane bullshit. One can count on all of the
lunatics coming out of the wood work after the fact making
all kinds of insane bullshit claims so I wasn't at all surprised
by such idiot bullshit. Get yourself a frocking science text
book and read up a little on physics and astronomy, then
maybe you'll be qualified to research State terrorism and
integrate cause and effect a little better.
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Fredric L. Rice
> Yep, Pluto goes direct - death follows.
How utterly, mind-twistingly insane.
Caliban Crowe
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
> > "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >
> > > Caliban Crowe wrote:
> > >> In my opinion, Dark Moon Lilith was the trigger, moving as it does 3
> > >> degrees per day.
> > > Ah, so it _wasn't_ religious extremism then? It was
> > > the position of the planets. Amazing!
> >
> > Forgive me for stating the obvious, and for making the assumption that you
> > have the mental capacity to understand this, but besides the obvious human
> > element, there is an astrological timing device at work, which I refer to
> > as a trigger.
>
> What utterly insane bullshit. One can count on all of the
> lunatics coming out of the wood work after the fact making
> all kinds of insane bullshit claims so I wasn't at all surprised
> by such idiot bullshit.
This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
It's done every day with all kinds of events. It's nothing new, nor does it
require any special abilities. Just a basic knowledge of astrology. Oops, sorry,
you don't have that knowledge.
> Get yourself a frocking science text
> book and read up a little on physics and astronomy, then
> maybe you'll be qualified to research State terrorism and
> integrate cause and effect a little better.
Oh, I see. It wasn't a fanatic fringe that did this. It was a combination of
physics and astronomy. What happened, a rogue quark bumped into bit of lunar
dust?
Caliban
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Caliban Crowe
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
> > Yep, Pluto goes direct - death follows.
>
> How utterly, mind-twistingly insane.
I've seen your links. Pot-Kettle-Black, shit brain.
>
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Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
Fredric L. Rice
> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> > Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >>> Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >>>> In my opinion, Dark Moon Lilith was the trigger, moving as it does 3
> >>>> degrees per day.
> >>> Ah, so it _wasn't_ religious extremism then? It was
> >>> the position of the planets. Amazing!
> >> Forgive me for stating the obvious, and for making the assumption that you
> >> have the mental capacity to understand this, but besides the obvious human
> >> element, there is an astrological timing device at work, which I refer to
> >> as a trigger.
> > What utterly insane bullshit. One can count on all of the
> > lunatics coming out of the wood work after the fact making
> > all kinds of insane bullshit claims so I wasn't at all surprised
> > by such idiot bullshit.
>
> This was not a prediction, nor a claim.
I didn't claim it was. I stated unambiguously that it
was insane bullshit. How _anybody_ can still cling to
a belief in astrology in this day and age with the advent
of free access to libraries and cheap access to the
Internet... Well it's beyond reason.
Fredric L. Rice
> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
>
> > Caliban Crowe wrote:
> > > Yep, Pluto goes direct - death follows.
> > How utterly, mind-twistingly insane.
>
> I've seen your links. Pot-Kettle-Black, shit brain.
Whereas I can provide evidence for anything you care
to complain about on any of my links, you'll be hard
pressed to find any scientific evidence backing up your
uinsane notions.
Fredric L. Rice
And not the first. All of the nutters have come out of the
wood work and I hate to report that some anti-Scientology
cult activists have also advanced idiotic notions about the
terrorist attacks. I'm going to have to visit alt.tarot to see
what _those_ nutters have come up with.
Wally Anglesea™
Well it certainly didn't happen because of any alignment of the
planets, so any study of the "astrological influences" is a wasted
exercise isn't it?
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Caliban Crowe
el...@no.spam wrote:
What gain?
Caliban Crowe
"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
Science has confirmed the effects of the Moon on human behavior, and the Moon's
aspects, in this case, seem to play a role in providing the energy needed for the New
York and Washington insanity to fully express itself through the actions of
terrorists.
Is that too difficult for you to grasp?
Caliban
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Caliban Crowe
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
> > "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >
> > > Caliban Crowe wrote:
> > > > Yep, Pluto goes direct - death follows.
> > > How utterly, mind-twistingly insane.
> >
> > I've seen your links. Pot-Kettle-Black, shit brain.
>
> Whereas I can provide evidence for anything you care
> to complain about on any of my links, you'll be hard
> pressed to find any scientific evidence backing up your
> uinsane notions.
Science is like statistics. It can be used to support any idiocy.
Astrology is no exception - crackpots abound, just like in Science, just
like you.
Caliban
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Wally Anglesea™
<caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
>
>> Caliban Crowe wrote:
>>
>> > "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
>> >
>> > > Caliban Crowe wrote:
>> > > > Yep, Pluto goes direct - death follows.
>> > > How utterly, mind-twistingly insane.
>> >
>> > I've seen your links. Pot-Kettle-Black, shit brain.
>>
>> Whereas I can provide evidence for anything you care
>> to complain about on any of my links, you'll be hard
>> pressed to find any scientific evidence backing up your
>> uinsane notions.
>
>Science is like statistics. It can be used to support any idiocy.
You don't actually understand science, do you?
>Astrology is no exception - crackpots abound, just like in Science, just
>like you.
The difference with science, is that crackpots get weeded out,
eventually. Astrology by definition is maintained by crackpots.
Wally Anglesea™
<caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Science has confirmed the effects of the Moon on human behavior, and the Moon's
>aspects, in this case, seem to play a role in providing the energy needed for the New
>York and Washington insanity to fully express itself through the actions of
>terrorists.
>
>Is that too difficult for you to grasp?
>
really? Please cite the scientific evidence, and the peer reviewed
study.
Is that too difficult for you to do?
http://skepdic.com/fullmoon.html
el...@no.spam
Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Science is like statistics. It can be used to support any idiocy.
>Astrology is no exception - crackpots abound, just like in Science, just
>like you.
Science is constantly tested and produces real results. That computer
you are typing on wasn't produced by astro-ghouls assholes like you,
shithead.
Go fuck yourself, carrion eater!
Caliban Crowe
"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:49:26 GMT, Caliban Crowe
> <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Science has confirmed the effects of the Moon on human behavior, and the Moon's
> >aspects, in this case, seem to play a role in providing the energy needed for the New
> >York and Washington insanity to fully express itself through the actions of
> >terrorists.
> >
> >Is that too difficult for you to grasp?
> >
>
> really? Please cite the scientific evidence, and the peer reviewed
> study.
>
> Is that too difficult for you to do?
>
> http://skepdic.com/fullmoon.html
Here you go:
J Clin Psychiatry 1978 May;39(5):385-392
Related Articles, Books
Human aggression and the lunar synodic cycle.
Lieber AL.
Data on five aggressive and/or violent human behaviors were
examined by computer to determine whether a relationship exists
between the lunar syndoic cycle and human aggression. Homicides,
suicides, fatal traffic accidents, aggravated assaults and psychiatric
emergency room visits occurring in Dade County, Florida all show
lunar periodicities. Homicides and aggravated assaults demonstrate
statistically significant clustering of cases around full moon.
Psychiatric emergency room visits cluster around first quarter and shows a
significantly decreased frequency around new and full moon. The
suicide curve shows correlations with both aggravated assaults and
fatal traffic accidents, suggesting a self-destructive component
for each of these behaviors. The existence of a biological rhythm of
human aggression which resonates with the lunar synodic cycle is
postulated.
PMID: 641019 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Caliban
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> el...@no.spam wrote:
>
> > In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
> > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
> >
> > You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
>
> And not the first. All of the nutters have come out of the
> wood work and I hate to report that some anti-Scientology
> cult activists have also advanced idiotic notions about the
> terrorist attacks. I'm going to have to visit alt.tarot to see
> what _those_ nutters have come up with.
Caliban is a well-known Kook here sir! When he first showed he claimed
he could "cure" HIV/AIDs with a magic ritual. When asked for evidence
he refused.
He has done similar claims as the years have gone by. He is just
trying to show his "superior" knowledge!
Not all Pagans are airheads like he (I am a PhD candidate in
chemistry.. then again I am no Wiccan either)
Caliban Crowe
Noinden wrote:
> "Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message news:<3B9FD36C...@SkepticTank.ORG>...
> > el...@no.spam wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
> > > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
> > >
> > > You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
> >
> > And not the first. All of the nutters have come out of the
> > wood work and I hate to report that some anti-Scientology
> > cult activists have also advanced idiotic notions about the
> > terrorist attacks. I'm going to have to visit alt.tarot to see
> > what _those_ nutters have come up with.
>
> Caliban is a well-known Kook here sir! When he first showed he claimed
> he could "cure" HIV/AIDs with a magic ritual. When asked for evidence
> he refused.
(sigh) You can't get even the simplest detail correct, can you? I never claimed that. I said a student of
mine used a ritual that I gave him, and experienced a remission of the disease which continues to this
day. If you insist on lying about my statement, then post the thread.
>
>
> He has done similar claims as the years have gone by. He is just
> trying to show his "superior" knowledge!
What similar claims? And if you feel inferior to me, grow smarter.
>
>
> Not all Pagans are airheads like he (I am a PhD candidate in
> chemistry.. then again I am no Wiccan either)
You're the Gemini. That makes you the airhead.
Caliban Crowe
el...@no.spam wrote:
You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
brain, and come up with some original stuff.
Wally Anglesea™
<caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:49:26 GMT, Caliban Crowe
>> <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Science has confirmed the effects of the Moon on human behavior, and the Moon's
>> >aspects, in this case, seem to play a role in providing the energy needed for the New
>> >York and Washington insanity to fully express itself through the actions of
>> >terrorists.
>> >
>> >Is that too difficult for you to grasp?
>> >
>>
>> really? Please cite the scientific evidence, and the peer reviewed
>> study.
>>
>> Is that too difficult for you to do?
>>
>> http://skepdic.com/fullmoon.html
>
>Here you go:
>
> J Clin Psychiatry 1978 May;39(5):385-392
>
Since the later information, and study done by people who actually
tested a lot of this stuff properly refutes this idiocy, your claim is
without foundation. That's how science works, I'm afraid.
Sorry about that.
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el...@no.spam
Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
>brain, and come up with some original stuff.
Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
birdtribe
el...@no.spam wrote:
A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
BirdTribe
--
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visit http://www.birdtribe.net for games, animations, keys
Caliban Crowe
"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:21:56 GMT, Caliban Crowe
> <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:49:26 GMT, Caliban Crowe
> >> <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Science has confirmed the effects of the Moon on human behavior, and the Moon's
> >> >aspects, in this case, seem to play a role in providing the energy needed for the New
> >> >York and Washington insanity to fully express itself through the actions of
> >> >terrorists.
> >> >
> >> >Is that too difficult for you to grasp?
> >> >
> >>
> >> really? Please cite the scientific evidence, and the peer reviewed
> >> study.
> >>
> >> Is that too difficult for you to do?
> >>
> >> http://skepdic.com/fullmoon.html
> >
> >Here you go:
> >
> > J Clin Psychiatry 1978 May;39(5):385-392
> >
> Since the later information, and study done by people who actually
> tested a lot of this stuff properly refutes this idiocy, your claim is
> without foundation. That's how science works, I'm afraid.
>
> Sorry about that.
I provided what you asked for. I can't make you accept it, so please continue in your
ignorance. You may go now.
Caliban
>
>
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Caliban Crowe
el...@no.spam wrote:
Brilliant. What a word-meister you are!
Caliban Crowe
birdtribe wrote:
> el...@no.spam wrote:
>
> > In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
> > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
> > >brain, and come up with some original stuff.
> >
> > Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
>
> A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
> erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
> AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
They're the rats following their Piper. I'm leading them into the ocean of the
damned, and they haven't a clue!
>
>
> BirdTribe
>
> --
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Wally Anglesea™
<caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:21:56 GMT, Caliban Crowe
>> <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:49:26 GMT, Caliban Crowe
>> >> <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Science has confirmed the effects of the Moon on human behavior, and the Moon's
>> >> >aspects, in this case, seem to play a role in providing the energy needed for the New
>> >> >York and Washington insanity to fully express itself through the actions of
>> >> >terrorists.
>> >> >
>> >> >Is that too difficult for you to grasp?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> really? Please cite the scientific evidence, and the peer reviewed
>> >> study.
>> >>
>> >> Is that too difficult for you to do?
>> >>
>> >> http://skepdic.com/fullmoon.html
>> >
>> >Here you go:
>> >
>> > J Clin Psychiatry 1978 May;39(5):385-392
>> >
>> Since the later information, and study done by people who actually
>> tested a lot of this stuff properly refutes this idiocy, your claim is
>> without foundation. That's how science works, I'm afraid.
>>
>> Sorry about that.
>
>I provided what you asked for. I can't make you accept it, so please continue in your
>ignorance. You may go now.
So in other words, a scientific study which shows the "Full Moon" shit
to be that, shit doesn't count huh?
Not surprising really. That's why you are a credophile, and believe
in weird shit.
Kurt Doughty
el...@no.spam wrote in message <10003295...@no.spam>...
And _you_ know this how?
Kurt Doughty
Fredric L. Rice wrote in message <3B9FD36C...@SkepticTank.ORG>...
>el...@no.spam wrote:
>
>> In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
>> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an
event.
>>
>> You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
>
>And not the first. All of the nutters have come out of the
>wood work and I hate to report that some anti-Scientology
>cult activists have also advanced idiotic notions about the
>terrorist attacks. I'm going to have to visit alt.tarot to see
>what _those_ nutters have come up with.
>
Sure...Go stir up more dissent... It's the American way huh?
Brad Filippone
: In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
: Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
: You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
How is this for Caliban's own gain? Caliban is merely doing an
astrological analysis.
Brad
Brad Filippone
: Caliban Crowe wrote:
: > "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
: > > Caliban Crowe wrote:
: > >> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
: > >>> Caliban Crowe wrote:
: > >>>> In my opinion, Dark Moon Lilith was the trigger, moving as it does 3
: > >>>> degrees per day.
: > >>> Ah, so it _wasn't_ religious extremism then? It was
: > >>> the position of the planets. Amazing!
: > >> Forgive me for stating the obvious, and for making the assumption that you
: > >> have the mental capacity to understand this, but besides the obvious human
: > >> element, there is an astrological timing device at work, which I refer to
: > >> as a trigger.
: > > What utterly insane bullshit. One can count on all of the
: > > lunatics coming out of the wood work after the fact making
: > > all kinds of insane bullshit claims so I wasn't at all surprised
: > > by such idiot bullshit.
: >
: > This was not a prediction, nor a claim.
: I didn't claim it was. I stated unambiguously that it
: was insane bullshit. How _anybody_ can still cling to
: a belief in astrology in this day and age with the advent
: of free access to libraries and cheap access to the
: Internet... Well it's beyond reason.
And you're on this group for what reason???
Brad
Jim Phillips
>
>
> el...@no.spam wrote:
>
> > In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
> > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
> > >brain, and come up with some original stuff.
> >
> > Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
>
> A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
> erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
> AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
No, it's simple disgust with those who take advantage of a tragedy
in order to advance their agenda. There are plenty of astrology-skeptic
friendships in alt.astrology (in fact ellis has more than his fair share of
astrology friends), so this "Anti Astrology Jihad" is only in your head
(certainly a charming touch on your part, accusing those you don't like of
being part of a "Jihad").
--
Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net
"Voyager doesn't have the stones to acknowledge Daffy Duck as a cultural
force." -- Reason #561, "Why Babylon 5 Is Better Than Voyager"
Brad Filippone
: "Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message news:<3B9FD36C...@SkepticTank.ORG>...
: > el...@no.spam wrote:
: >
: > > In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
: > > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > >
: > > >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
: > >
: > > You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
: >
: > And not the first. All of the nutters have come out of the
: > wood work and I hate to report that some anti-Scientology
: > cult activists have also advanced idiotic notions about the
: > terrorist attacks. I'm going to have to visit alt.tarot to see
: > what _those_ nutters have come up with.
: Caliban is a well-known Kook here sir! When he first showed he claimed
: he could "cure" HIV/AIDs with a magic ritual. When asked for evidence
: he refused.
Well, I wouldn't know about that, I'm rather new here. All I know is that
astrology works for a lot of people who there must be something in it.
: He has done similar claims as the years have gone by. He is just
: trying to show his "superior" knowledge!
: Not all Pagans are airheads like he (I am a PhD candidate in
: chemistry.. then again I am no Wiccan either)
Please clarify this for me. Are you calling all people airheads who
believe in astrology?
Brad
Caliban Crowe
Jim Phillips wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, birdtribe wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > el...@no.spam wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
> > > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
> > > >brain, and come up with some original stuff.
> > >
> > > Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
> >
> > A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
> > erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
> > AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
>
> No, it's simple disgust with those who take advantage of a tragedy
> in order to advance their agenda. There are plenty of astrology-skeptic
> friendships in alt.astrology (in fact ellis has more than his fair share of
> astrology friends), so this "Anti Astrology Jihad" is only in your head
> (certainly a charming touch on your part, accusing those you don't like of
> being part of a "Jihad").
In your case, it applies quite well.
>
>
> --
> Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net
> "Voyager doesn't have the stones to acknowledge Daffy Duck as a cultural
> force." -- Reason #561, "Why Babylon 5 Is Better Than Voyager"
--
The Olphardt
Kurt Doughty <dou...@dam.com> wrote in message
news:tq17l9e...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Sure...Go stir up more dissent... It's the American way huh?
> >--
>
Joe
tim gueguen
"Wally AngleseaT" <wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote in message
news:k130qt4m0k41119a5...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:49:26 GMT, Caliban Crowe
> <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Science has confirmed the effects of the Moon on human behavior, and the
Moon's
> >aspects, in this case, seem to play a role in providing the energy needed
for the New
> >York and Washington insanity to fully express itself through the actions
of
> >terrorists.
> >
> >Is that too difficult for you to grasp?
> >
>
> really? Please cite the scientific evidence, and the peer reviewed
> study.
>
> Is that too difficult for you to do?
>
claim their work is scientific when its nothing of the sort.
tim gueguen 101867
birdtribe
tim gueguen wrote:
Like you skeptiks. heh.. You have never disproven anything. ..especially the
notion you are halfwits. Do not confuse being an abderitic scofflaw with
science.
Yer Pal
BirdTribe
>
>
> tim gueguen 101867
N.A.G.
"Jim Phillips" <jphi...@bcpl.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1010913094447.7325A-100000@mail...
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, birdtribe wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > el...@no.spam wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
> > > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders,
grow a
> > > >brain, and come up with some original stuff.
> > >
> > > Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
> >
> > A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
> > erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from
the
> > AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
>
> No, it's simple disgust with those who take advantage of a tragedy
> in order to advance their agenda. There are plenty of astrology-skeptic
> friendships in alt.astrology (in fact ellis has more than his fair share
of
> astrology friends), so this "Anti Astrology Jihad" is only in your head
> (certainly a charming touch on your part, accusing those you don't like of
> being part of a "Jihad").
Sometime an outsider's eyes see clearer than those directly involved.
Knowing the parties involved only clouds the vision with emotions, either
pro or con.
I see the same thing.
Nikaia
Kurt Doughty
The Olphardt wrote in message ...
birdtribe
"N.A.G." wrote:
The man, Caliban did an analysis of the events astrological alignments. This is
pertinent to those of us in the Craft to discern the larger forces at work. For
this he was accused of furthering his agenda for profit, which was not the case
and then accused of being a ghoul as if he was delighting in these deaths
instead of attempting to understand the whole picture.
BirdTribe
>
>
> Nikaia
>
> >
> > --
> > Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net
> > "Voyager doesn't have the stones to acknowledge Daffy Duck as a cultural
> > force." -- Reason #561, "Why Babylon 5 Is Better Than Voyager"
> >
--
Fredric L. Rice
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:05:24 GMT, Caliban Crowe
> <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >> Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >>> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >>>> Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >>>>> In my opinion, Dark Moon Lilith was the trigger, moving as it does 3
> >>>>> degrees per day.
> >>>> Ah, so it _wasn't_ religious extremism then? It was
> >>>> the position of the planets. Amazing!
> >>> Forgive me for stating the obvious, and for making the assumption that you
> >>> have the mental capacity to understand this, but besides the obvious human
> >>> element, there is an astrological timing device at work, which I refer to
> >>> as a trigger.
> >> What utterly insane bullshit. One can count on all of the
> >> lunatics coming out of the wood work after the fact making
> >> all kinds of insane bullshit claims so I wasn't at all surprised
> >> by such idiot bullshit.
> >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
> >It's done every day with all kinds of events. It's nothing new, nor does it
> >require any special abilities. Just a basic knowledge of astrology. Oops, sorry,
> >you don't have that knowledge.
> >> Get yourself a frocking science text
> >> book and read up a little on physics and astronomy, then
> >> maybe you'll be qualified to research State terrorism and
> >> integrate cause and effect a little better.
> >Oh, I see. It wasn't a fanatic fringe that did this. It was a combination of
> >physics and astronomy. What happened, a rogue quark bumped into bit of lunar
> >dust?
>
> Well it certainly didn't happen because of any alignment of the
> planets, so any study of the "astrological influences" is a wasted
> exercise isn't it?
It's so much easier to blame planets and stars on events
than to expend the effort needed to acquire an education,
perform research, and investigate the complex and varied
causes which lead up to events. "God dun it" is exactly as
pathetically ignorant as claiming the planets and stars have
anything to do or say about it.
<heh> I apologize for lecturing. I've had about all the
religious ignorance I can stand for this week.
Fredric L. Rice
> el...@no.spam wrote:
>
> > In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
> > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
> > You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
>
> What gain?
Merely emotive, I think. Astrologers engage in pointless
exercises yet fortunately it's a rare occasion when some
government idiot defrauds the populace due to their
astrology beliefs (Orange County's bankruptcy still stands
as the largest such incident.) Blaming terrorism on planets
other than Earth is, well, profoundly stupid.
Some criminal cults _have_ started exploiting the terrorist
attacks for monetary gain -- among the most notorious and
criminal is Scientology who's ordered some of their followers
to fly to New York to start working over the family members
of victims. Humanity disgusts me to no end at times yet it's
uplifting to see that there's only a few sick, insane, and
disgusting percentage of Americans working to swindle victims
and advance their agendas of hatred in the aftermath.
N.A.G.
"birdtribe" <bird...@birdtribe.net> wrote in message
news:3BA0FB60...@birdtribe.net...
We *are* x-posted to alt.astrology, correct? I could understand these kind
of responses from alt.astronomy [a whole different fish] but not from this
group.
Nikaia
Caliban Crowe
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
> > el...@no.spam wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
> > > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
> > > You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
> >
> > What gain?
>
> Merely emotive, I think. Astrologers engage in pointless
> exercises yet fortunately it's a rare occasion when some
> government idiot defrauds the populace due to their
> astrology beliefs (Orange County's bankruptcy still stands
> as the largest such incident.) Blaming terrorism on planets
> other than Earth is, well, profoundly stupid.
If you believed they were just pointless exercises, you wouldn't have such a
vociferous animosity against those who practice astrology. No, I'd say there was a
more traumatic event that caused this tic of yours - this anti-astrology vehemence.
I'd like to look at your birthchart. Care to give out your info - birthday, place and
time?
Caliban
>
>
> Some criminal cults _have_ started exploiting the terrorist
> attacks for monetary gain -- among the most notorious and
> criminal is Scientology who's ordered some of their followers
> to fly to New York to start working over the family members
> of victims. Humanity disgusts me to no end at times yet it's
> uplifting to see that there's only a few sick, insane, and
> disgusting percentage of Americans working to swindle victims
> and advance their agendas of hatred in the aftermath.
>
> --
> http://www.SkepticTank.ORG/ http://www.KeithHenson.ORG/
> http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/ http://www.SlatkinFraud.COM/
> http://www.RaulLopez.ORG/ http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/
> http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ http://www.CrackPots.ORG/
> http://www.ToryMagoo.ORG/ http://www.HolySmoke.ORG/
> http://www.Xenu.NET/ http://www.Raids.ORG/ http://www.Nots.ORG/
> http://www.MoneyCult.ORG/
--
Caliban Crowe
tim gueguen wrote:
Finish reading the thread, one-who-suspects, and you'll see I posted a
peer-reviewed scientific study published in a respected journal, as requested.
Caliban
>
>
> tim gueguen 101867
Caliban Crowe
"N.A.G." wrote:
It's not what it seems. One would think alt.astrology would be populated with
people who practice astrology, but no, it's rampant with astrology skeptics who
have nothing but obsessive hatred for astrologers. This guy Jim is one of them.
Caliban
>
>
> Nikaia
>
> >
> > BirdTribe
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nikaia
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net
> > > > "Voyager doesn't have the stones to acknowledge Daffy Duck as a
> cultural
> > > > force." -- Reason #561, "Why Babylon 5 Is Better Than Voyager"
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > "Clowns are attracted to any number of absurd realities"
> > visit http://www.birdtribe.net for games, animations, keys
> >
> >
> >
--
N.A.G.
"Caliban Crowe" <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3BA11B14...@yahoo.com...
<sigh> So who's selling the damned scorecards *this* month? Mine's
dreadfully out dated.
Fucking incredible... I say!
Nikaia
Caliban Crowe
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
Among the complex and varied causes is the energy of the moment. It is not the only
reason, as I've said a thousand times, but it contributes to the overall situation.
Caliban
>
>
> --
> http://www.SkepticTank.ORG/ http://www.KeithHenson.ORG/
> http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/ http://www.SlatkinFraud.COM/
> http://www.RaulLopez.ORG/ http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/
> http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ http://www.CrackPots.ORG/
> http://www.ToryMagoo.ORG/ http://www.HolySmoke.ORG/
> http://www.Xenu.NET/ http://www.Raids.ORG/ http://www.Nots.ORG/
> http://www.MoneyCult.ORG/
--
Caliban Crowe
"N.A.G." wrote:
Sometimes cross-posting raises some really eye-opening experiences, Nik. I
haven't had this much fun on Usenet since my original Battle Magick post a
couple of years ago.
Jim Phillips
And you ignored his pointing out that the study has been shown to
have been faulty.
Jim Phillips
Thanks for admitting you're a troll--it makes it much easier.
Jim Phillips
Not only that, we question absurdly broad claims, like the above.
Why do you claim that I have an "obsessive hatred for astrologers"? If I
asked for support from astrology believers and got it, would they no longer
be astrologers?
I've made my feelings about astrology clear; my feelings about
astrologers are based on individuals, not groups. There are a number of
nice, friendly, positively pleasant astrologers in alt.astrology. Caliban
the ghoul is not one of them.
Sharyn0761
>From: Jim Phillips jphi...@bcpl.net
>Date: Thu, Sep 13, 2001 9:46 PM
>Message-id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1010913174326.7325J-100000@mail>
>
>On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
> Not only that, we question absurdly broad claims, like the above.
>Why do you claim that I have an "obsessive hatred for astrologers"? If
>I
>asked for support from astrology believers and got it, would they no longer
>be astrologers?
> I've made my feelings about astrology clear; my feelings about
>astrologers are based on individuals, not groups. There are a number of
>nice, friendly, positively pleasant astrologers in alt.astrology. Caliban
>the ghoul is not one of them.
>
Yes, but what you fail to understand is that this is all about HOW you express
your beliefs. When you insinuate that anyone who believes astrology is valid is
mentally defective, moronic, stupid, retarded, confused, ridiculous, predatory,
or inherently dishonest, you lump us all together, so what do you expect? It
begins, after a while, to feel very much like hatred, and the distinction you
say you make between your "feelings about astrology," and your "feelings about
astrologers" is not clear. If relating positively to individual astrologers is
truly a concern of yours, may I interest you in a little lesson on diplomacy?
@--,---
Sharyn
Love's the only house
eve
>Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
>> el...@no.spam wrote:
>>
>> > In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
>> > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
>> > You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
>>
>> What gain?
>
>Merely emotive, I think. Astrologers engage in pointless
>exercises yet fortunately it's a rare occasion when some
>government idiot defrauds the populace due to their
>astrology beliefs (Orange County's bankruptcy still stands
>as the largest such incident.) Blaming terrorism on planets
>other than Earth is, well, profoundly stupid.
>
>Some criminal cults _have_ started exploiting the terrorist
>attacks for monetary gain -- among the most notorious and
>criminal is Scientology who's ordered some of their followers
>to fly to New York to start working over the family members
>of victims. Humanity disgusts me to no end at times yet it's
>uplifting to see that there's only a few sick, insane, and
>disgusting percentage of Americans working to swindle victims
>and advance their agendas of hatred in the aftermath.
This is so vile. I knew scientologists were deluded, stupid, predatory
assholes, but didn't realize they were this sick. Then again, thinking
of their methods, I shouldn't be surprised.
The US gov would do well to purge your country of these vermin.
But they won't, of course.
N.A.G.
Yea, there's nothing like a good, creative crosspost.
Imagine this one...
alt.flame.jesus.christ and alt.motorcycles.harley
I got my first spnak there. heh
<sigh> Memories......
Nik
eve
>
>
>el...@no.spam wrote:
>
>> In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
>> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
>> >brain, and come up with some original stuff.
>>
>> Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
>
>A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
>erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
>AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
I think it is in extreme bad taste to compare this ragging of
astrologers to a Jihad. Why do people do this sort of thing?
Locked into victim mentality or something?
It's like the PSF being compared to n*zis.
Totally fucking ridiculous, paranoid, boneheaded and contemptible.
*Don't want to invoke end of thread.
Caliban Crowe
Jim Phillips wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > tim gueguen wrote:
> >
> > > "Wally AngleseaT" <wang...@spbigpondam.net.au> wrote in message
> > > news:k130qt4m0k41119a5...@4ax.com...
> > > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:49:26 GMT, Caliban Crowe
> > > > <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Science has confirmed the effects of the Moon on human behavior, and the
> > > Moon's
> > > > >aspects, in this case, seem to play a role in providing the energy needed
> > > for the New
> > > > >York and Washington insanity to fully express itself through the actions
> > > of
> > > > >terrorists.
> > > > >
> > > > >Is that too difficult for you to grasp?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > really? Please cite the scientific evidence, and the peer reviewed
> > > > study.
> > > >
> > > > Is that too difficult for you to do?
> > > >
> > > One suspects that like many people he has confused science with people who
> > > claim their work is scientific when its nothing of the sort.
> >
> > Finish reading the thread, one-who-suspects, and you'll see I posted a
> > peer-reviewed scientific study published in a respected journal, as requested.
>
> And you ignored his pointing out that the study has been shown to
> have been faulty.
I disagree. Demonstrate where you believe it was faulty. In detail.
Caliban
>
>
> --
> Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net
> "Voyager doesn't have the stones to acknowledge Daffy Duck as a cultural
> force." -- Reason #561, "Why Babylon 5 Is Better Than Voyager"
--
Caliban Crowe
"N.A.G." wrote:
spnak? What's that?
Caliban Crowe
Jim Phillips wrote:
Thanks for admitting I've been making it hard on you. But I'm not a troll. I'm in
ARW because I practice a goddess form of magick. I'm in alt.astrology because I'm a
professional astrologer.
Try again.
Caliban
>
>
> --
> Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net
> "Voyager doesn't have the stones to acknowledge Daffy Duck as a cultural
> force." -- Reason #561, "Why Babylon 5 Is Better Than Voyager"
--
Caliban Crowe
Jim Phillips wrote:
Because I kick your skeptic's ass everytime you attempt to challenge me. You claim
to be an advocate for science, and don't even know the classic physics conflict
between Einstein's theory of relativity and Quantum Physics. You're not good at
being a skeptic, and you know even less about astrology.
What a loser you are.
Caliban
>
>
> --
> Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net
> "Voyager doesn't have the stones to acknowledge Daffy Duck as a cultural
> force." -- Reason #561, "Why Babylon 5 Is Better Than Voyager"
--
Caliban Crowe
eve wrote:
> birdtribe wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >el...@no.spam wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
> >> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
> >> >brain, and come up with some original stuff.
> >>
> >> Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
> >
> >A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
> >erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
> >AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
>
> <snipped>
> Totally fucking ridiculous, paranoid, boneheaded and contemptible.
And a perfect characterization of yourself it is, too.
Caliban
>
>
> *Don't want to invoke end of thread.
--
N.A.G.
In other words, a spank. Where, in a flame war, the other person either
killfiles you or pulls one of those "I'm not going to discuss this any more"
routines. Where you know you're the total victor.
Caliban Crowe
"N.A.G." wrote:
Oh hell, I've had a lot of those victories! I should create a paddle icon next
to my sig and inscribe an "x" for every "spnak" I earn! LOL!
Caliban
Jim Phillips
> >Subject: Re: An Astrological Picture Of The Tragedy
> >From: Jim Phillips jphi...@bcpl.net
> >Date: Thu, Sep 13, 2001 9:46 PM
> >Message-id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1010913174326.7325J-100000@mail>
> >
> >On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Caliban Crowe wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > Not only that, we question absurdly broad claims, like the above.
> >Why do you claim that I have an "obsessive hatred for astrologers"? If
> >I
> >asked for support from astrology believers and got it, would they no longer
> >be astrologers?
> > I've made my feelings about astrology clear; my feelings about
> >astrologers are based on individuals, not groups. There are a number of
> >nice, friendly, positively pleasant astrologers in alt.astrology. Caliban
> >the ghoul is not one of them.
> >
>
> Yes, but what you fail to understand is that this is all about HOW you express
> your beliefs. When you insinuate that anyone who believes astrology is valid is
> mentally defective, moronic, stupid, retarded, confused, ridiculous, predatory,
> or inherently dishonest, you lump us all together, so what do you expect?
Actually, *I* don't do that (I assume you didn't mean me personally,
but just to be clear).
I think astrology is nonsense, but that doesn't mean astrologers are
nonsensical. Keep that in mind the next time you refer to skeptics.
> It begins, after a while, to feel very much like hatred, and the
distinction you
> say you make between your "feelings about astrology," and your "feelings about
> astrologers" is not clear.
Perhaps you should read more of my posts before jumping to
conclusions, since I've only attacked astrologers who, IMHO, indecently
started talking about the possible astrological influences of the recent
terrorist attacks. If you bother to read any of my old posts you'll find
some that are quite friendly towards astrologers.
> If relating positively to individual astrologers is truly a concern of
> yours, may I interest you in a little lesson on diplomacy?
Caliban Crowe is a ghoul, who fattens on the meat of human misery.
That might be too blunt for you, but that's the way I feel. There are
plenty of astrologers on alt.astrology I like (they even call themselves
"woo-woos" in fun).
May I interest you in a little lesson in looking before you leap?
N.A.G.
Hey- if you earn it, why not?
Nik
eve
>
>
>eve wrote:
>
>> birdtribe wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >el...@no.spam wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
>> >> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
>> >> >brain, and come up with some original stuff.
>> >>
>> >> Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
>> >
>> >A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
>> >erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
>> >AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
>>
>> <snipped>
>> Totally fucking ridiculous, paranoid, boneheaded and contemptible.
>
>And a perfect characterization of yourself it is, too.
Caliban, Taliban.
Hmmm.
birdtribe
Caliban Crowe wrote:
> > >
> > > spnak? What's that?
> >
> > In other words, a spank. Where, in a flame war, the other person either
> > killfiles you or pulls one of those "I'm not going to discuss this any more"
> > routines. Where you know you're the total victor.
>
> Oh hell, I've had a lot of those victories! I should create a paddle icon next
> to my sig and inscribe an "x" for every "spnak" I earn! LOL!
Good one!.. Mine would extend three wraparound lines i believe..
Birdie
Sharyn0761
>From: Jim Phillips jphi...@bcpl.net
>Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 1:12 AM
>Message-id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1010913210527.7325N-100000@mail>
Well, your post below to what seemed to be a run of the mill astrology poster
was pretty nasty. Do you have a history with both Caliaban and this poster, to
know that they are "ghouls?"
<<Search Result 4From: Jim Phillips (jphi...@bcpl.net)
Subject: Re: World Trade Center
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
View: Complete Thread (21 articles) | Original FormatDate: 2001-09-11 14:58:54
PST
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, JoAnne Schmitz wrote:
> I did a chart (haven't we all!) for the first WTC strike,
Ghoul. Hope you enjoy your stay in hell next to Caliban, Edmo and
dr Turdi.
--
Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net>Subject: Re: An Astrological Picture Of The
Tragedy>>
> I think astrology is nonsense, but that doesn't mean astrologers are
>nonsensical. Keep that in mind the next time you refer to skeptics.
>
LOL, OK, let me get this straight: you believe astrology is nonsensical, buit
those who study it ans take it seriously are not?
>> It begins, after a while, to feel very much like hatred, and the
>distinction you
>> say you make between your "feelings about astrology," and your "feelings
>about
>> astrologers" is not clear.
>
> Perhaps you should read more of my posts before jumping to
>conclusions, since I've only attacked astrologers who, IMHO, indecently
>started talking about the possible astrological influences of the recent
>terrorist attacks.
What is indecent about examining astrological patterns that may be present in
the charts of important world events?
If you bother to read any of my old posts you'll find
>some that are quite friendly towards astrologers.
>
*shrug* and some are not.
>> If relating positively to individual astrologers is truly a concern of
>> yours, may I interest you in a little lesson on diplomacy?
>
> Caliban Crowe is a ghoul, who fattens on the meat of human misery.
You have personal knowledge of this? How does he "fatten" himself on misery?
>That might be too blunt for you, but that's the way I feel.
:-D Blunt is fine.
There are
>plenty of astrologers on alt.astrology I like (they even call themselves
>"woo-woos" in fun).
Yes, I know they do.
> May I interest you in a little lesson in looking before you leap?
>
:-) Sure. But I have to say that I know how your posts made ME feel when I read
them. Any friendships you have here don't really change that, Jim.
Caliban Crowe
birdtribe wrote:
> Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > spnak? What's that?
> > >
> > > In other words, a spank. Where, in a flame war, the other person either
> > > killfiles you or pulls one of those "I'm not going to discuss this any more"
> > > routines. Where you know you're the total victor.
> >
> > Oh hell, I've had a lot of those victories! I should create a paddle icon next
> > to my sig and inscribe an "x" for every "spnak" I earn! LOL!
>
> Good one!.. Mine would extend three wraparound lines i believe..
>
LOL! At least!
>
> Birdie
> --
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> : he could "cure" HIV/AIDs with a magic ritual. When asked for evidence
> : he refused.
>
> Well, I wouldn't know about that, I'm rather new here. All I know is that
> astrology works for a lot of people who there must be something in it.
I disagree (that there is something in it) ... but that is just my
opinion!
> : He has done similar claims as the years have gone by. He is just
> : trying to show his "superior" knowledge!
>
> : Not all Pagans are airheads like he (I am a PhD candidate in
> : chemistry.. then again I am no Wiccan either)
>
> Please clarify this for me. Are you calling all people airheads who
> believe in astrology?
Just Cal. Any fool who posts this heartless crap he does must have
more air in his skull than in his lungs!
Jim Phillips
Making a chart within 24 hours of the worst terrorist attack in
human history is ghoulish, plain and simple. I don't care who does it (I
will note that none of the astrologers on alt.astrology I respect did this,
and several were similarly disgusted).
>
> <<Search Result 4From: Jim Phillips (jphi...@bcpl.net)
> Subject: Re: World Trade Center
> Newsgroups: alt.astrology
> View: Complete Thread (21 articles) | Original FormatDate: 2001-09-11 14:58:54
> PST
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, JoAnne Schmitz wrote:
>
> > I did a chart (haven't we all!) for the first WTC strike,
>
>
> Ghoul. Hope you enjoy your stay in hell next to Caliban, Edmo and
> dr Turdi.
>
> --
> Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net>Subject: Re: An Astrological Picture Of The
> Tragedy>>
>
>
> > I think astrology is nonsense, but that doesn't mean astrologers are
> >nonsensical. Keep that in mind the next time you refer to skeptics.
> >
>
> LOL, OK, let me get this straight: you believe astrology is nonsensical, buit
> those who study it ans take it seriously are not?
Sure; I don't believe in Allah, but that doesn't make an Imam an
idiot (based on countless postings, I consider sincere astrologers to be the
equivalent of religious people).
> >> It begins, after a while, to feel very much like hatred, and the
> >distinction you
> >> say you make between your "feelings about astrology," and your "feelings
> >about
> >> astrologers" is not clear.
> >
> > Perhaps you should read more of my posts before jumping to
> >conclusions, since I've only attacked astrologers who, IMHO, indecently
> >started talking about the possible astrological influences of the recent
> >terrorist attacks.
>
> What is indecent about examining astrological patterns that may be present in
> the charts of important world events?
Doing it within 24 hours, when the horror is still unfolding, is
despicable.
> If you bother to read any of my old posts you'll find
> >some that are quite friendly towards astrologers.
> >
>
> *shrug* and some are not.
My point is that I respond to astrologers, not astrology. Perhaps
you should reply to skeptics rather than skepticism?
> >> If relating positively to individual astrologers is truly a concern of
> >> yours, may I interest you in a little lesson on diplomacy?
> >
> > Caliban Crowe is a ghoul, who fattens on the meat of human misery.
>
> You have personal knowledge of this? How does he "fatten" himself on misery?
By being astoundingly insensitive to the horror going on around him.
That's a sociopath's attitude, not a human's.
> >That might be too blunt for you, but that's the way I feel.
>
> :-D Blunt is fine.
I've gotten that impression...
> There are
> >plenty of astrologers on alt.astrology I like (they even call themselves
> >"woo-woos" in fun).
>
>
> Yes, I know they do.
I think it's one of the more endearing things about them. :)
> > May I interest you in a little lesson in looking before you leap?
> >
>
> :-) Sure. But I have to say that I know how your posts made ME feel when
I read
> them.
Don't assume I'm attacking astrology just because a few astrologers
have pissed me off enough that I post about them.
> Any friendships you have here don't really change that, Jim.
True, but you seem like a decent sort, so I care about your opinion
of me. Caliban the ghoul is an indecent sort, so I don't give a rat's ass
about his opinion (or the opinions of Ray, Ed [either one], dr Turdi, etc).
N.A.G.
"jfred" <sp...@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:1ezp2bu.5kceyejv2uoN%sp...@petitmorte.net...
> N.A.G. <blu...@privacy.nu> wrote:
>
> > > spnak? What's that?
> >
> > In other words, a spank. Where, in a flame war, the other person either
> > killfiles you or pulls one of those "I'm not going to discuss this any
more"
> > routines. Where you know you're the total victor.
>
>
> At least not in these parts (alt.astrology).
Curious. What is it in alt.astrology?
[I'm not trolling you, I'm honestly curious]
Nik
>
> --
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Wally Anglesea™
<caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Numerous studies have tried to find lunar effects. So far, the studies
have failed to establish anything of interest, except that the idea of
the full moon definitely sends some lunatics (after luna, the Latin
word for moon) over the edge. (Lunar effects that have been found have
little or nothing to do with human behavior, e.g., the discovery of a
slight effect of the moon on global temperature,* which in turn might
have an effect on the growth of plants.*)
Ivan Kelly, James Rotton and Roger Culver examined over 100 studies on
lunar effects and concluded that the studies have failed to show a
reliable and significant correlation (i.e., one not likely due to
chance) between the full moon, or any other phase of the moon, and
each of the following:
-the homicide rate
-traffic accidents
-crisis calls to police or fire stations
-domestic violence
-births of babies
-suicide
-major disasters
-casino payout rates
-assassinations
-kidnappings
-aggression by professional hockey players
-violence in prisons
-psychiatric admissions
-agitated behavior by nursing home residents
-assaults
-gunshot wounds
-stabbings
-emergency room admissions
-behavioral outbursts of psychologically challenged rural adults
-lycanthropy
-vampirism
-alcoholism
-sleep walking
-epilepsy
If so many studies have failed to prove a significant correlation
between the full moon and anything, why do so many people believe in
these lunar myths? Kelly, Rotton, and Culver suspect four factors:
media effects, folklore and tradition, misconceptions, and cognitive
biases. I would add a fifth factor: communal reinforcement.
Enought, or do we have to spoon feed you. Your evidence has been
found faulty. Give up.
The onus is on YOU to prove your claim of an effect. Studies
demonstrate that it's a myth.
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>Message-id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1010913235600.26438F-100000@mail>
Why, exactly? By definition, a ghoul is a legendary evil creature who robs
graves and feeds on the corpses of the dead. How does that relate to the
curiousity of an astrologer who just wants to look at the astrology at the time
of an event? I'm not sure I understand what is so horrible about that.
One of the most compelling things about astrology is how the astrological
symbols that reflect what is going on during significant events will show up on
the angles (especially the MC and the Asc) at the time of the event on the
local chart. Astrologers look for patterns, and we look for how the symbolism
plays out in real life.
I don't care who does it (I
>will note that none of the astrologers on alt.astrology I respect did this,
>and several were similarly disgusted).
>
Well, you obviously have strong feelings about this, as do others, and I can
respect that, but I would like to understand it. What exactly is ghoulish about
noting the astrological symbolism at the time of the pentagon and twc attacks?
Does it mean the astrologer does not care about the people or what happened? If
so, why do you think that? I can understad why anyone would feel disgust at
people who try to capitalize on such a tragedy for their own gain (and of
course, that makes me sick, too), but simple curiosity is a different thing
entirely.
> >
><snip>
>>
>> > I think astrology is nonsense, but that doesn't mean astrologers are
>> >nonsensical. Keep that in mind the next time you refer to skeptics.
>> >
>>
>> LOL, OK, let me get this straight: you believe astrology is nonsensical,
>buit
>> those who study it ans take it seriously are not?
>
> Sure; I don't believe in Allah, but that doesn't make an Imam an
>idiot (based on countless postings, I consider sincere astrologers to be
>the
>equivalent of religious people).
>
Well, I believe you are mistaken. I do not know ONE astrologer who likens
astrology to a religion. I do not "believe in" astrology, I believe in God,
Love, goodness, the risen Christ and the power of the human will. "Believing
in" astrology makes no more sense than "believing in" the weather channel or
psychotherapy; they are just tools we use for understanding ourselves and the
world around us.
I look at astrology as an interesting field worthy of further study based on my
observations of it so far. There is no "woo woo" factor in it for me at all,
just a desire to continue observing, noting down, and sometimes writing about,
what I see.
>> >> It begins, after a while, to feel very much like hatred, and the
>> >distinction you
>> >> say you make between your "feelings about astrology," and your "feelings
>> >about
>> >> astrologers" is not clear.
>> >
>> > Perhaps you should read more of my posts before jumping to
>> >conclusions, since I've only attacked astrologers who, IMHO, indecently
>> >started talking about the possible astrological influences of the recent
>> >terrorist attacks.
>>
>> What is indecent about examining astrological patterns that may be present
>in
>> the charts of important world events?
>
> Doing it within 24 hours, when the horror is still unfolding, is
>despicable.
>
Why? Are we not allowed to speculate, for example, on the political and
religious machinations behind the attack, or the structure of the towers and
what made them come down exactly? Why is looking at the astrology any
different? I think you are trying to dictate morality here because of some deep
feelings of your own, but that does not necessarily make your opinion a valid
one, Jim.
>> If you bother to read any of my old posts you'll find
>> >some that are quite friendly towards astrologers.
>> >
>>
>> *shrug* and some are not.
>
> My point is that I respond to astrologers, not astrology. Perhaps
>you should reply to skeptics rather than skepticism?
>
Certialy, I should. :-) Mea culpa, I was doing the same thing I accused you of
doing based on a few posts here. I'll be more careful in the future.
>> >> If relating positively to individual astrologers is truly a concern
>of
>> >> yours, may I interest you in a little lesson on diplomacy?
>> >
>> > Caliban Crowe is a ghoul, who fattens on the meat of human misery.
>>
>> You have personal knowledge of this? How does he "fatten" himself on misery?
>
> By being astoundingly insensitive to the horror going on around him.
>That's a sociopath's attitude, not a human's.
>
Well, I don't know him, but his posts here did not seem insensitive to me, so I
did not understand your reaction to him.
>> >That might be too blunt for you, but that's the way I feel.
>>
>> :-D Blunt is fine.
>
> I've gotten that impression...
>
Sometimes the direct approach works best, don't you think? :-)
>> There are
>> >plenty of astrologers on alt.astrology I like (they even call themselves
>> >"woo-woos" in fun).
>>
>>
>> Yes, I know they do.
>
> I think it's one of the more endearing things about them. :)
>
They are sweethearts, for sure. :-)
>> > May I interest you in a little lesson in looking before you leap?
>> >
>>
>> :-) Sure. But I have to say that I know how your posts made ME feel when
>I read
>> them.
>
> Don't assume I'm attacking astrology just because a few astrologers
>have pissed me off enough that I post about them.
>
>> Any friendships you have here don't really change that, Jim.
>
> True, but you seem like a decent sort, so I care about your opinion
>of me. Caliban the ghoul is an indecent sort, so I don't give a rat's ass
>about his opinion (or the opinions of Ray, Ed [either one], dr Turdi, etc).
>
Well, I appreciate that. You seem like a decent sort yourself, and I look
forward to further conversation with you. :-)
Caliban Crowe
"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
All you did was quote from your Skeptic's website. Demonstrate why the specific study
that I quoted failed to produce correct data. Address the specific study, please, and
not the editorial position of Skeptics-R-Us.
Caliban
>
>
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Fredric L. Rice
> "Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
> > Well it certainly didn't happen because of any alignment of the
> > planets, so any study of the "astrological influences" is a wasted
> > exercise isn't it?
>
> Science has confirmed the effects of the Moon on human behavior, and the Moon's
> aspects, in this case, seem to play a role in providing the energy needed for the New
> York and Washington insanity to fully express itself through the actions of
> terrorists.
That's utter and complete bullshit. The coser proximity of
the Moon to the Earth's upper atmospheric layers during some
parts of the Earth/Moon orbit dictates the compression of
positive and negative ions in the atmosphere such that at some
parts of the month humans are subjected to a cyclic exposure
to degrees of positive and negative ions. That, too, is altered
by solar flux levels so it's not a hard cycle. It's those ions that
humans feel, idiot, nothing else.
There are no other "aspects" governing the mood of humans
than changes in ion density at ground level; certainly phases
of the Moon are irrelevant.
All the times the Moon has been at the same distance in the
Earth/Moon system and there weren't terrorist attacks should
tell you a little something about the abject stupidity and
ignorance of such notions.
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Fredric L. Rice
> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
>
> > Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >>> Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >>>> Yep, Pluto goes direct - death follows.
> >>> How utterly, mind-twistingly insane.
> >> I've seen your links. Pot-Kettle-Black, shit brain.
> > Whereas I can provide evidence for anything you care
> > to complain about on any of my links, you'll be hard
> > pressed to find any scientific evidence backing up your
> > uinsane notions.
>
> Science is like statistics.
Utter and complete bullshit. Science is a methodology. No
frocking wonder you think the Moon had something to do
with the terrorist attack. You're welcome to your religious
beliefs, obviously, yet when you pretend science validates
your religious notions, expect science to stomp you down.
Fredric L. Rice
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:51:23 GMT, Caliban Crowe
> <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >> Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >>> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >>>> Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >>>>> Yep, Pluto goes direct - death follows.
> >>>> How utterly, mind-twistingly insane.
> >>> I've seen your links. Pot-Kettle-Black, shit brain.
> >> Whereas I can provide evidence for anything you care
> >> to complain about on any of my links, you'll be hard
> >> pressed to find any scientific evidence backing up your
> >> uinsane notions.
> >Science is like statistics. It can be used to support any idiocy.
>
> You don't actually understand science, do you?
It's not unusual. Creationists think that science is religion and
politics. All the times the "stars were right" and there _weren't_
terrorists attacks should tell believers a little something.
Fredric L. Rice
> In article <3BA00313...@yahoo.com>,
> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Science is like statistics. It can be used to support any idiocy.
> >Astrology is no exception - crackpots abound, just like in Science, just
> >like you.
>
> Science is constantly tested and produces real results. That computer
> you are typing on wasn't produced by astro-ghouls assholes like you,
> shithead.
>
> Go fuck yourself, carrion eater!
Good grief, Rick! The woman is entitled to her religious
beliefs, surely.
Fredric L. Rice
> "Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message news:<3B9FD36C...@SkepticTank.ORG>...
> > el...@no.spam wrote:
> > > In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
> > > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
> > > You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
> > And not the first. All of the nutters have come out of the
> > wood work and I hate to report that some anti-Scientology
> > cult activists have also advanced idiotic notions about the
> > terrorist attacks. I'm going to have to visit alt.tarot to see
> > what _those_ nutters have come up with.
>
> Caliban is a well-known Kook here sir! When he first showed he claimed
> he could "cure" HIV/AIDs with a magic ritual. When asked for evidence
> he refused.
Maybe he's Uri Geller! <smile>
> He has done similar claims as the years have gone by. He is just
> trying to show his "superior" knowledge!
>
> Not all Pagans are airheads like he (I am a PhD candidate in
> chemistry.. then again I am no Wiccan either)
I've met a lot of Pagans and Wiccans that are able to
differenciate between their deeply-held religious beliefs
and what science says or doesn't say about them. There
are a lot of technopagans out there. Suggesting that the
Moon had anything to do with the terrorist attacks is,
well, disgusting.
Fredric L. Rice
> Human aggression and the lunar synodic cycle.
Do you know what ions are, shit-for-brains? Do you know
why negative ions in ozone causes emotive changes in humans?
Do you honestly think that ions support your insane astrology
notions?
Fredric L. Rice
> el...@no.spam wrote:
>
> > In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
> > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
> > >brain, and come up with some original stuff.
> > Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
>
> A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
> erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
> AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
The "anti astrology Jihad" began some 4 or 6 thousand years
ago when the planets visible in the sky as naked-eye objects
were first starting to be considered to be planets, not gods
and goddesses. The remains of the superstitions which made
astrology seem reasonable -- specifically that the planets are
gods and goddesses -- was debunked long ago.
Fredric L. Rice
> "Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:21:56 GMT, Caliban Crowe
> ><caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>"Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:49:26 GMT, Caliban Crowe
> >>><caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>Science has confirmed the effects of the Moon on human behavior, and the Moon's
> >>>>aspects, in this case, seem to play a role in providing the energy needed for the New
> >>>>York and Washington insanity to fully express itself through the actions of
> >>>>terrorists.
> >>>>Is that too difficult for you to grasp?
> >>> really? Please cite the scientific evidence, and the peer reviewed
> >>> study.
> >>> Is that too difficult for you to do?
> >>> http://skepdic.com/fullmoon.html
> >>Here you go:
> >> J Clin Psychiatry 1978 May;39(5):385-392
> > Since the later information, and study done by people who actually
> > tested a lot of this stuff properly refutes this idiocy, your claim is
> > without foundation. That's how science works, I'm afraid.
> > Sorry about that.
>
> I provided what you asked for.
Now provide something that supports your notion that
astrology -- not simple physics -- supports your notion
that the Moon had something to do with the terrorist
attack. Don't forget to work in to your religious notion
the fact that the terrorists had been working on the plans
for this series of attacks over the past five years.
Fredric L. Rice
> Fredric L. Rice wrote in message <3B9FD36C...@SkepticTank.ORG>...
> >el...@no.spam wrote:
> >> In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
> >> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an
> event.
> >> You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
> >And not the first. All of the nutters have come out of the
> >wood work and I hate to report that some anti-Scientology
> >cult activists have also advanced idiotic notions about the
> >terrorist attacks. I'm going to have to visit alt.tarot to see
> >what _those_ nutters have come up with.
>
> Sure...Go stir up more dissent... It's the American way huh?
It's called "science," Kurt. Perhaps you've heard of it.
Fredric L. Rice
> birdtribe wrote:
>
> > el...@no.spam wrote:
> >> In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
> >> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
> >>>brain, and come up with some original stuff.
> >> Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
> > A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
> > erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
> > AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
>
> They're the rats following their Piper. I'm leading them into the ocean of the
> damned, and they haven't a clue!
All you need to do is provide scientific evidence to support
your notions and the rest of the world will accept your notions.
Trying to pretend that the rest of the world are brainwashed
robots and that's the reason they don't believe in your
religious notions is somewhat pathetic.
Fredric L. Rice
> Fredric L. Rice (FR...@SkepticTank.ORG) wrote:
> : Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
> : > "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> : >> Caliban Crowe wrote:
> : >>> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> : >>>> Caliban Crowe wrote:
> : >>>>> In my opinion, Dark Moon Lilith was the trigger, moving as it does 3
> : >>>>> degrees per day.
> : >>>> Ah, so it _wasn't_ religious extremism then? It was
> : >>>> the position of the planets. Amazing!
> : >>> Forgive me for stating the obvious, and for making the assumption that you
> : >>> have the mental capacity to understand this, but besides the obvious human
> : >>> element, there is an astrological timing device at work, which I refer to
> : >>> as a trigger.
> : >> What utterly insane bullshit. One can count on all of the
> : >> lunatics coming out of the wood work after the fact making
> : >> all kinds of insane bullshit claims so I wasn't at all surprised
> : >> by such idiot bullshit.
> : > This was not a prediction, nor a claim.
>
> : I didn't claim it was. I stated unambiguously that it
> : was insane bullshit. How _anybody_ can still cling to
> : a belief in astrology in this day and age with the advent
> : of free access to libraries and cheap access to the
> : Internet... Well it's beyond reason.
>
> And you're on this group for what reason???
Pay attention, shit-for-brains. We're debunking astrology.
Fredric L. Rice
> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> > Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >> el...@no.spam wrote:
> >>> In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
> >>> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
> >>> You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
> >> What gain?
> > Merely emotive, I think. Astrologers engage in pointless
> > exercises yet fortunately it's a rare occasion when some
> > government idiot defrauds the populace due to their
> > astrology beliefs (Orange County's bankruptcy still stands
> > as the largest such incident.) Blaming terrorism on planets
> > other than Earth is, well, profoundly stupid.
>
> If you believed they were just pointless exercises, you wouldn't have such a
> vociferous animosity against those who practice astrology.
That's the same argument made by Christian fundamentalists
whever somebody points out a contradiction in their Bible.
"You realy must hate Jesus and know in your heart He exists
because you hate him so much."
Have your religious beliefs; don't let me stand in your way.
When you claim they're supported by the scientific method,
however, expect to be smacked down for such audacity.
Lilly
>
> Caliban, Taliban.
>
> Hmmm.
Gee... now THERE'S a stretch. How long did it take you to come up with that one?
Let's see... eve, heave, peeve, leave.... easy ain't it? Sorta like the conclusions
you're so self-righteously jumping to... but never mind... carry on.
~Lilly
--
In faraway lands, when twilight falls on fair and wind-swept days,
Cats like velvet shadows move, their coal-fire eyes ablaze.
And on those bright and moonlit nights while all the world's asleep,
Creatures wake beneath the waves and rise up from the deep.
-Eric Rohmann-
Fredric L. Rice
> It's not what it seems. One would think alt.astrology would be populated with
> people who practice astrology, but no, it's rampant with astrology skeptics who
> have nothing but obsessive hatred for astrologers.
What utter stupidity! Do you think, shit-for-brains, that
newsgroups are some how supposed to be populated
with participants who only hold _one_ viewpoint on a
subject?! What kind of a frocking nut case thinks that
only believers in astrology are allowed to discuss
astrology in a newsgroup?!
Good frocking grief.
Kurt Doughty
Fredric L. Rice wrote in message <3BA2363A...@SkepticTank.ORG>...
>Kurt Doughty wrote:
>
>> Fredric L. Rice wrote in message <3B9FD36C...@SkepticTank.ORG>...
>> >el...@no.spam wrote:
>> >> In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
>> >> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of
an
>> event.
>> >> You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
>> >And not the first. All of the nutters have come out of the
>> >wood work and I hate to report that some anti-Scientology
>> >cult activists have also advanced idiotic notions about the
>> >terrorist attacks. I'm going to have to visit alt.tarot to see
>> >what _those_ nutters have come up with.
>>
>> Sure...Go stir up more dissent... It's the American way huh?
>
>It's called "science," Kurt. Perhaps you've heard of it.
>
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It is your right to speak your opinion as well as the next person....Too
claim them as nutters is bigotry
Fredric L. Rice
> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> > "Wally Anglesea™" wrote:
> >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:05:24 GMT, Caliban Crowe
> >><caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >>>> Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >>>>> "Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> >>>>>> Caliban Crowe wrote:
> >>>>>>> In my opinion, Dark Moon Lilith was the trigger, moving as it does 3
> >>>>>>> degrees per day.
> >>>>>> Ah, so it _wasn't_ religious extremism then? It was
> >>>>>> the position of the planets. Amazing!
> >>>>> Forgive me for stating the obvious, and for making the assumption that you
> >>>>> have the mental capacity to understand this, but besides the obvious human
> >>>>> element, there is an astrological timing device at work, which I refer to
> >>>>> as a trigger.
> >>>> What utterly insane bullshit. One can count on all of the
> >>>> lunatics coming out of the wood work after the fact making
> >>>> all kinds of insane bullshit claims so I wasn't at all surprised
> >>>> by such idiot bullshit.
> >>>This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
> >>>It's done every day with all kinds of events. It's nothing new, nor does it
> >>>require any special abilities. Just a basic knowledge of astrology. Oops, sorry,
> >>>you don't have that knowledge.
> >>>> Get yourself a frocking science text
> >>>> book and read up a little on physics and astronomy, then
> >>>> maybe you'll be qualified to research State terrorism and
> >>>> integrate cause and effect a little better.
> >>>Oh, I see. It wasn't a fanatic fringe that did this. It was a combination of
> >>>physics and astronomy. What happened, a rogue quark bumped into bit of lunar
> >>>dust?
> > > Well it certainly didn't happen because of any alignment of the
> > > planets, so any study of the "astrological influences" is a wasted
> > > exercise isn't it?
> > It's so much easier to blame planets and stars on events
> > than to expend the effort needed to acquire an education,
> > perform research, and investigate the complex and varied
> > causes which lead up to events. "God dun it" is exactly as
> > pathetically ignorant as claiming the planets and stars have
> > anything to do or say about it.
> > <heh> I apologize for lecturing. I've had about all the
> > religious ignorance I can stand for this week.
>
> Among the complex and varied causes is the energy of the moment. It is not the only
> reason, as I've said a thousand times, but it contributes to the overall situation.
There is no "energy of the moment," nut case. There is
socio-political, religious, and economical factors at work here
which resulted in the terrorism. If you want to pretend that
the frocking Moon had anything to do with it, you had best
cough up some evidence -- and no, we're already well aware
of the effect of negative ions on people's emotions.
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Fredric L. Rice
> Noinden (sla...@orcon.net.nz) wrote:
> : "Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message news:<3B9FD36C...@SkepticTank.ORG>...
> : > el...@no.spam wrote:
> : >> In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
> : >> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : >> >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
> : >> You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
> : > And not the first. All of the nutters have come out of the
> : > wood work and I hate to report that some anti-Scientology
> : > cult activists have also advanced idiotic notions about the
> : > terrorist attacks. I'm going to have to visit alt.tarot to see
> : > what _those_ nutters have come up with.
> : Caliban is a well-known Kook here sir! When he first showed he claimed
> : he could "cure" HIV/AIDs with a magic ritual. When asked for evidence
> : he refused.
>
> Well, I wouldn't know about that, I'm rather new here. All I know is that
> astrology works for a lot of people who there must be something in it.
Crack cocain also works for some people as does the
belief in warewolves. What "works" about astrology is
that it's religious beliefs -- which is acceptable, of course.
Claiming that science supports religious beliefs is nonsense
and when someone makes the claim, they get to get their
notion debunked.
vanda
put finger to key and barely tapped out:
~>
~>
~> Caliban, Taliban.
~>
~> Hmmm.
~
~Gee... now THERE'S a stretch. How long did it take you to come up
with that one?
~Let's see... eve, heave, peeve, leave.... easy ain't it? Sorta like
the conclusions
~you're so self-righteously jumping to... but never mind... carry on.
Lilly...have you noticed there are some people who just don't know
when to stop?
<sigh>
Laura!
Liberate from the rocks and rubble
Living souls to live some more.
Reconciliation of souls longing
and to families, loved ones restore.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
OCC co-founder
www.knology.net/~vanda
www.catatonicstudios.com
Lilly
>
> Lilly...have you noticed there are some people who just don't know
> when to stop?
> <sigh>
Jeezuz Murphy Dylan Jonz... you'd think an astrology post would be ok in
ALT. ASTROLOGY... but hey, Silly Lilly...
They act like he's trying to capitalize on this tragedy by merely
DISCUSSING the astrological aspects of it. Some people just have way too
much time on their hands... maybe they should go picket Miss Cleo or
something, key reist!
~L
Lilly
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
> > It's not what it seems. One would think alt.astrology would be populated with
> > people who practice astrology, but no, it's rampant with astrology skeptics who
> > have nothing but obsessive hatred for astrologers.
>
> What utter stupidity! Do you think, shit-for-brains, that
> newsgroups are some how supposed to be populated
> with participants who only hold _one_ viewpoint on a
> subject?! What kind of a frocking nut case thinks that
> only believers in astrology are allowed to discuss
> astrology in a newsgroup?!
>
> Good frocking grief.
<shrug>
I dunno, I think that frock looks kinda cute on you...
~Lilly
N.A.G.
> N.A.G. <blu...@privacy.nu> wrote:
>
> > "jfred" <sp...@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
> > news:1ezp2bu.5kceyejv2uoN%sp...@petitmorte.net...
> > > N.A.G. <blu...@privacy.nu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > spnak? What's that?
> > > >
> > > > In other words, a spank. Where, in a flame war, the other person
> > > > either killfiles you or pulls one of those "I'm not going to discuss
> > > > this any more" routines. Where you know you're the total victor.
> > >
> > > Not exactly.
> > >
> > > At least not in these parts (alt.astrology).
> >
> > Curious. What is it in alt.astrology?
> > [I'm not trolling you, I'm honestly curious]
>
> posting privs, or in some way gets a response from the powers that be,
> for his or her abusive behavior. Our current local kook-du-jour,
> Raytard, was dancing with the spam cops recently, and Edvo (an ugly
> troll) got a spnak and lost an account, I hear.
Dang, d00d, you guys play hardball. '-)
Thanks for the info.
Nikaia
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Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world.
Caliban Crowe
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> Brad Filippone wrote:
>
> > Noinden (sla...@orcon.net.nz) wrote:
> > : "Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message news:<3B9FD36C...@SkepticTank.ORG>...
> > : > el...@no.spam wrote:
> > : >> In article <3B9FCE1E...@yahoo.com>,
> > : >> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > : >> >This was not a prediction, nor a claim. It was an astro analysis of an event.
> > : >> You are just another ghoul trying to use a tragedy for your own gain.
> > : > And not the first. All of the nutters have come out of the
> > : > wood work and I hate to report that some anti-Scientology
> > : > cult activists have also advanced idiotic notions about the
> > : > terrorist attacks. I'm going to have to visit alt.tarot to see
> > : > what _those_ nutters have come up with.
> > : Caliban is a well-known Kook here sir! When he first showed he claimed
> > : he could "cure" HIV/AIDs with a magic ritual. When asked for evidence
> > : he refused.
> >
> > Well, I wouldn't know about that, I'm rather new here. All I know is that
> > astrology works for a lot of people who there must be something in it.
>
> Crack cocain also works for some people as does the
> belief in warewolves.
warewolf ? What the hell is that?
> What "works" about astrology is
> that it's religious beliefs -- which is acceptable, of course.
Who claims astrology is a religion? No one that I know of.
>
> Claiming that science supports religious beliefs is nonsense
> and when someone makes the claim, they get to get their
> notion debunked.
>
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> Sometimes cross-posting raises some really eye-opening experiences, Nik. I
> haven't had this much fun on Usenet since my original Battle Magick post a
> couple of years ago.
You haven't exhibited such _ignorance_ since then, I suspect.
Caliban Crowe
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
Here's a statistical question for you. I assume you're OK with astronomy as a science? The position of the
Moon at the moment that the attack began on Pearl Harbor was at the same point of longitude as it was when
the WTC was first hit. Since longitude is measured in increments of up to 30 degrees, there is a 1 in 30
chance that it will be at that same point between any two months, or longer. What are the odds that it would
be at that same point for two events that occured almost 60 years apart?
Caliban
>
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> birdtribe wrote:
>
> > el...@no.spam wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
> > > Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
> > > >brain, and come up with some original stuff.
> > > Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
> >
> > A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
> > erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
> > AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
>
> The "anti astrology Jihad" began some 4 or 6 thousand years
> ago when the planets visible in the sky as naked-eye objects
> were first starting to be considered to be planets, not gods
> and goddesses.
Jesus, are you stupid. Astronomy encompassed astrology back then. Everyone
believed that the stars and planets had an impact on life on earth. They were
named for their local gods. Some may have believed they were gods, others did not,
but all believed they had an effect upon life on earth. Only Constantine's
acceptance of Christ in the Third century AD brought about a recrimination on the
predictions of astronomy, now called astrology.
<snipped>
Caliban
Caliban Crowe
"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
> Caliban Crowe wrote:
>
> > birdtribe wrote:
> >
> > > el...@no.spam wrote:
> > >> In article <3BA0303C...@yahoo.com>,
> > >> Caliban Crowe <caliba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>>You can't even wield a sentence well. Quit following your leaders, grow a
> > >>>brain, and come up with some original stuff.
> > >> Go fuck yourself, ghoul.
> > > A never ending stream of cerebrated hemmorhoids have been following your
> > > erudite breakdown of astrological influences it seems. they must be from the
> > > AAJ..The Anti Astrology Jihad.
> >
> > They're the rats following their Piper. I'm leading them into the ocean of the
> > damned, and they haven't a clue!
>
> All you need to do is provide scientific evidence to support
> your notions and the rest of the world will accept your notions.
> Trying to pretend that the rest of the world are brainwashed
> robots and that's the reason they don't believe in your
> religious notions is somewhat pathetic.
I don't give a fuck about whether the rest of the world accepts the tenets of
astrology or not. You apparently do. Do you also worry about being accepted in other
areas of your life?
Caliban
>
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