Personality and will
Bodhisattvacat
order to do good is achieve my best and help people whenever possible.
Which is a much better use of my time, and something far more
constructive, than proving my worth before prosecutorial dimwits, who
get all the more vicious the more you try to please them and for whom
nothing is ever enough.
It is also a far better use of time, and something far more
constructive and morally tenable, than being an aforementioned
prosecutorial dimwit. A Bill Gates or a Bill Clinton, both of whose
personalities were self-righteously reviled by American people, have
done far more for humanity than any of the above, whether their names
be Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
Martin. The prosecution of personality is a control game - and the
people who do so are some of the worst people anywhere. All they do is
attack and malign and excuse their abuse by claiming to speak for
morality or
society or religion while exhibiting none of the wisdom or goodness or
perspective that being in authority demands. They represent the worst
and most dishonest in humanity. They are the force that detracts from
improvement in human condition - the force that keeps people in bad
situations under the pretense of claiming them of bad character and
prevents them from using their talents to improve the world and their
own condition. They are the force that constitutes emotional and
psychological abuse - that destroys people. They are parasitical.
I don't care what is your personality or psychology. I care if you do
good. Will enables people of any psychology or personality to do good
things. Will gives us power to soar above personality and psychology
and live deliberately rather than in manner that is predetermined by
the abuser's perception of one's character. As does the grace of God,
who picked Paul, a killer, to write the New Testament - and who,
rather than paralyzing him with guilt, spurred him into action. Which
example of God's workings - picking as his chosen one someone whose
sins were far worse than those of almost anyone who is being morally
bludgeoned, in relationships, families or otherwise - can be safely
invoked by anyone at the receiving end of emotional, psychological and
moral abuse.
To believe that a personality can be moral or amoral is to commit a
grave logical error - the error of assigning moral value to
involuntary
psychological processes. It is to damn a person based on qualities
they developed involuntarily in childhood and believe them incapable
of
doing good. And that is the most cruel, most sadistic, most dishonest,
most morally repugnant action one can take - one that ignores the
reality of will and the reality of what is a human being; one that
reduces the human being to beastial psychological dynamics and fails
to see in them the saving grace - the will - that allows people to act
deliberately and to do good, whatever their psychology and whatever
their past.
I have known people who were diagnosed as sociopaths or narcissists,
and I do not find them to be worse than an average person. In some
respects, I found them better - more exciting, more free, more open-
minded, more creative. And they are most certainly better people than
Henry Hyde, Kenneth Starr, Bob Martin or Cujo. Or anyone else engaging
in prosecution of personality.
I have no interest at all in changing my personality to suit Bob or
Cujo. The people who claim most loudly to have changed their
personalities are some of the nastiest people I know, and I consider
the process a ruse and a trap. I will prove my worth by producing good
work and doing good things for people who need it. By acting
deliberately to do good and, using the mechanism of will and conscious
choice, make my contribution to the world the best possible.
One may ask what is my motives for the preceding. I need no motives.
I believe in doing good. I believe in making our world the best
possible. I believe in using one's talents to make life the best,
unconditionally, and impart unto others some of the grace and the
privilege and the love that has existed in my life. One may go to
psychology in one's quest for motives. I respond that my motives
transcend psychology. They are rooted in deliberate conscious choice
based on values. In a quality that the human being possesses that is
not based in Freud or Adler and that makes mankind better than what
the aforementioned animalistic cretins portrayed it as being,
deserving
of better treatment and better fate.
As for Cujo, Bob and the rest of you - you can take it and shove it.
You aren't good; you are a bunch of bullies who get off on abuse,
pretending as if the aforementioned immoral indulgence makes you
moral.
You have no compassion, no goodness, no love, no perspective, no
wisdom, no creativity. You do nothing to make our world better. Ed
Wollmann has more character than do you.
Dan Baldwin
>
> I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person.
All you need to prove is that you can go at least 1 week without
succumbing to the urge to spank it in a library.
--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
I am a minion of Satan, but my powers are mainly administrative.
Hail the un-alive
Cujo DeSockpuppet
women who admits he doesn't take his prescribed medication , dumpster
diving trashpicker, admitted liar and guiltless freak socked as
drr0...@yahoo.com (Bodhisattvacat) and whined in
news:4f2532f6.0408...@posting.google.com:
> I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person.
You tell the judge that, convict?
> All I need in
> order to do good is achieve my best and help people whenever possible.
I'm sure recycling food from dumpsters is an immense help to the
ecosystem.
> Which is a much better use of my time, and something far more
> constructive, than proving my worth before prosecutorial dimwits, who
> get all the more vicious the more you try to please them and for whom
> nothing is ever enough.
Nothing would be fine with me. Go away, asshole.
> It is also a far better use of time, and something far more
> constructive and morally tenable, than being an aforementioned
> prosecutorial dimwit. A Bill Gates or a Bill Clinton, both of whose
> personalities were self-righteously reviled by American people, have
> done far more for humanity than any of the above, whether their names
> be Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
> Martin.
Rilly? Need a list of happy clients I've worked for?
Thank you for including me on a lits that doesn't include you, you
fucking freak.
> The prosecution of personality is a control game - and the
> people who do so are some of the worst people anywhere. All they do is
> attack and malign and excuse their abuse by claiming to speak for
> morality or
> society or religion while exhibiting none of the wisdom or goodness or
> perspective that being in authority demands.
I gave my opinion on Usenet and supported it with fact, wanker. Stop
fucking whining, crybaby.
> They represent the worst and most dishonest in humanity.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!1!!!!
Just a force for evul in my own damned time, that's moi!
> They are the force that detracts from
> improvement in human condition - the force that keeps people in bad
> situations under the pretense of claiming them of bad character and
> prevents them from using their talents to improve the world and their
> own condition.
What other talents do you have? We've already got a dumpster-diving,
woman abuser in alt.astrology.
> They are the force that constitutes emotional and
> psychological abuse - that destroys people. They are parasitical.
You have nothing to offer, so the claim of me being a parasite is one of
the dumbest you've ever claimed. Keep whining, fucktard.
> I don't care what is your personality or psychology. I care if you do
> good.
Spoken like a complete sociopath, criminal.
> Will enables people of any psychology or personality to do good
> things. Will gives us power to soar above personality and psychology
> and live deliberately rather than in manner that is predetermined by
> the abuser's perception of one's character. As does the grace of God,
> who picked Paul, a killer, to write the New Testament - and who,
> rather than paralyzing him with guilt, spurred him into action. Which
> example of God's workings - picking as his chosen one someone whose
> sins were far worse than those of almost anyone who is being morally
> bludgeoned, in relationships, families or otherwise - can be safely
> invoked by anyone at the receiving end of emotional, psychological and
> moral abuse.
WTF? You're off your meds again, Ilya.
> To believe that a personality can be moral or amoral is to commit a
> grave logical error - the error of assigning moral value to
> involuntary
> psychological processes.
Wrong again, freak. You picked alt.psych to present this load of crap.
> It is to damn a person based on qualities
> they developed involuntarily in childhood and believe them incapable
> of doing good.
You are capable of doing good, Ilya. I never claimed you weren't. but for
the sake of argument let's assume I really did claim you were incapable
of doing good. Prove me wrong and kill yourself.
> And that is the most cruel, most sadistic, most dishonest,
> most morally repugnant action one can take - one that ignores the
> reality of will and the reality of what is a human being; one that
> reduces the human being to beastial psychological dynamics and fails
> to see in them the saving grace - the will - that allows people to act
> deliberately and to do good, whatever their psychology and whatever
> their past.
It also allows them to think it's OK to trespass in a private library
after being told not to come beck, steal their resources and jerk off in
front of a woman studying there like you did. You're still in denial over
that incident, fuckhole.
> I have known people who were diagnosed as sociopaths or narcissists,
> and I do not find them to be worse than an average person.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!1!!!!!
Sig material!!!1!!!
MINE!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!
You sure wouldn't, scumbag!
> In some
> respects, I found them better - more exciting, more free, more open-
> minded, more creative. And they are most certainly better people than
> Henry Hyde, Kenneth Starr, Bob Martin or Cujo. Or anyone else engaging
> in prosecution of personality.
Obsession with Cujo noted.
BTW, I was told you were obsessing over me in Instant Messenger chat. You
were telling people I'm an expert on Oracle software. I'm not exactly a
guru but I'm a hell of a lot better than you'll ever hope to be and
that's why you got tossed out of a job you bullshitted your way into
getting. It's pretty hard to get tossed out of a job as a code monkey
when all you have to do is let the application generate the fucking code
and touch it up some.
> I have no interest at all in changing my personality to suit Bob or
> Cujo.
Please don't! You're fun to smack around!
> The people who claim most loudly to have changed their
> personalities are some of the nastiest people I know, and I consider
> the process a ruse and a trap.
Admission you're going to continue your kookiness noted.
> I will prove my worth by producing good
> work and doing good things for people who need it. By acting
> deliberately to do good and, using the mechanism of will and conscious
> choice, make my contribution to the world the best possible.
Do tell us what good you've done. So far all I have down for you is
obsessive stalking of women, criminal charges of sexual perversion and
criminal trespass, whining on Usenet and some people who wish they never
knew you.
> One may ask what is my motives for the preceding. I need no motives.
Thanks again, Mr. Sociopath.
> I believe in doing good. I believe in making our world the best
> possible. I believe in using one's talents to make life the best,
> unconditionally, and impart unto others some of the grace and the
> privilege and the love that has existed in my life. One may go to
> psychology in one's quest for motives. I respond that my motives
> transcend psychology.
HOOOOOOOOOO-IIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
They's gonna need a whole new cage for your trashpickin' carcass, bwah!
> They are rooted in deliberate conscious choice
> based on values. In a quality that the human being possesses that is
> not based in Freud or Adler and that makes mankind better than what
> the aforementioned animalistic cretins portrayed it as being,
> deserving of better treatment and better fate.
You deserve nothing, pervert. I take that back. You deserve to be beaten
to a pulp by the family of the woman you masturbated in front of. That's
just for starters. We'll get into the rest of the women you've
obsessively stalked for years after that.
> As for Cujo, Bob and the rest of you - you can take it and shove it.
Request DENIED.
> You aren't good; you are a bunch of bullies who get off on abuse,
> pretending as if the aforementioned immoral indulgence makes you
> moral.
Incoherence noted.
> You have no compassion, no goodness, no love, no perspective, no
> wisdom, no creativity. You do nothing to make our world better. Ed
> Wollmann has more character than do you.
Thank you for that objective opinion and the gift of your froth.
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> I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person.
Right. So shut up.
D.
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cbianco
>I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person.
yeah but try proving you're a good writer.
cbianco
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> Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
> Martin.
Please add me to your list, flasherboi.
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news:pip0a4u5...@nntp.petitmorte.net:
> On 9 Aug 2004 08:04:13 -0700, Bodhisattvacat wrote:
>
>> Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
>> Martin.
>
> Please add me to your list, flasherboi.
ITYM, "wankerboi". HTH!
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dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
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Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
"If you want to remain judged always guilty by God, just hang onto the
OT laws the way that you do." - Georgann on a G*d trip.
bob
> On 9 Aug 2004 08:04:13 -0700, Bodhisattvacat wrote:
>
> > Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
> > Martin.
>
> Please add me to your list, flasherboi.
Me too!
bob
- you didn't post this to help deal with guilty feelings about some
recent public spooging, did you?
bob
> I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person. All I need in
> order to do good is achieve my best and help people whenever possible.
I don't need to prove to anyone that you are a user and a loser. You
do that yourself. Your behavior isn't much different than an ambulence
chasing lawyer. You look for damaged goods (shit, you advertise for
them) and then you take whatever you can get while pretending to be a
saviour.
> Which is a much better use of my time, and something far more
> constructive, than proving my worth before prosecutorial dimwits, who
> get all the more vicious the more you try to please them and for whom
> nothing is ever enough.
Then why write this post, wackman? BTW, do you still believe that I
am capable of remote psychic attacks? If so, do you feel the demons
tearing at your soul right now?
<imagine demonic laugther and such>
> It is also a far better use of time, and something far more
> constructive and morally tenable, than being an aforementioned
> prosecutorial dimwit. A Bill Gates or a Bill Clinton, both of whose
> personalities were self-righteously reviled by American people, have
> done far more for humanity than any of the above, whether their names
> be Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
> Martin.
What about Barbie's Ken, Scott Adams, Pat (the bunny), or Henry
Higgins? Why are you leaving them out???
> The prosecution of personality is a control game
You don't have a personality.
> - and the people who do so are some of the worst people anywhere.
Mommy, they are being mean to me again.
> All they do is attack and malign and excuse their abuse by claiming
> to speak for morality or society or religion while exhibiting none of
> the wisdom or goodness or perspective that being in authority demands.
Yes yes. And you are a prime example of wisdom, right?
> They represent the worst and most dishonest in humanity.
Look in the mirror, Ilya. You can't even be honest to yourself. Isn't
your mother a shrink? What did she think of your temporary conversion
to christianity? She probably figured, as the rest of us did, that it
was just another attention seeking ploy.
Here's one of my favorites:
From: isha...@hotmail.com (Ilya Shambat)
Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.romance,soc.singles
Subject: Hippies
Date: 31 May 2003 09:02:18 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
Message-ID: <6d8c5a02.03053...@posting.google.com>
[..Ilyaspew...]
I was at a poetry reading-demonstration at Dupont Circle yesterday. I
read my love poetry. Someone took pictures as I was gesticulating with
my eyes closed and my head leaned back. A reggae drummer dude called
me the "punk romantic shaman guy."
[..Ilyaspew..]
> They are the force that detracts from
> improvement in human condition - the force that keeps people in bad
> situations under the pretense of claiming them of bad character and
> prevents them from using their talents to improve the world and their
> own condition. They are the force that constitutes emotional and
> psychological abuse - that destroys people. They are parasitical.
You are looking at things from a cockroach's perspective. Think of me
as one of the Orkin men.
> I don't care what is your personality or psychology.
Are you drinking again?
> I care if you do good.
Translation: If you are a female and are good looking, I want to be
fellated regularly (this isn't a bad thing - it's just that you can't
admit this is your motivation). If you are a guy I like it if you
appreciate my poetry but I'd prefer you don't write to me too often
because getting fellated by a hot chic is my main goal.
> Will enables people of any psychology or personality to do good
> things.
Is Will one of your imaginary friends?
> Will gives us power to soar above personality and psychology
> and live deliberately rather than in manner that is predetermined by
> the abuser's perception of one's character. As does the grace of God,
> who picked Paul, a killer, to write the New Testament - and who,
> rather than paralyzing him with guilt, spurred him into action. Which
> example of God's workings - picking as his chosen one someone whose
> sins were far worse than those of almost anyone who is being morally
> bludgeoned, in relationships, families or otherwise - can be safely
> invoked by anyone at the receiving end of emotional, psychological and
> moral abuse.
Gack.
> To believe that a personality can be moral or amoral is to commit a
> grave logical error - the error of assigning moral value to
> involuntary psychological processes. It is to damn a person based
> on qualities they developed involuntarily in childhood and believe
> them incapable of doing good.
Cut the crap. You get off on being wierd. It helps you deal with the
fact that you are no longer a child prodigy. You aren't going to win a
nobel prize. You aren't going to be another Ghandi. You aren't super
special. You are just another person with above average intelligence
and you can't deal with it. Your parents fucked you up with classic
coddle/chastise treatment. Get over it.
> And that is the most cruel, most sadistic, most dishonest,
> most morally repugnant action one can take - one that ignores the
> reality of will and the reality of what is a human being; one that
> reduces the human being to beastial psychological dynamics and fails
> to see in them the saving grace - the will - that allows people to act
> deliberately and to do good, whatever their psychology and whatever
> their past.
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see.
> I have known people who were diagnosed as sociopaths or narcissists,
Diagnosed as a narcissist?
> and I do not find them to be worse than an average person. In some
> respects, I found them better - more exciting, more free, more open-
> minded, more creative. And they are most certainly better people than
> Henry Hyde, Kenneth Starr, Bob Martin or Cujo. Or anyone else engaging
> in prosecution of personality.
Damn, I'm lower than a sociopath?
heh
That one actually made me laugh out loud. A guy who sits in a cube
near me came over to see why I was chuckling. Sometimes you are quite
entertaining.
> I have no interest at all in changing my personality to suit Bob or
> Cujo.
hint: You are defending yourself too much.
> The people who claim most loudly to have changed their
> personalities are some of the nastiest people I know, and I consider
> the process a ruse and a trap.
Growl!!!
Ilya, you have to have a personality in order to change it. I realize
this is hard for you to understand. Here's my prescription: stop
living with your parents, stop pretending to be a messiah, be honest
with yourself, and stop jerking off in public.
> I will prove my worth by producing good
> work and doing good things for people who need it.
You are contradicting yourself. Or, at least, you are coming close.
Earlier you wrote: "I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good
person."
> By acting deliberately to do good and, using the mechanism of will
> and conscious choice, make my contribution to the world the best possible.
Acting deliberately to do good? Reflect on that statement, Ilya. I
have a feeling you won't understand the point I'm trying to make and,
if you were someone I cared about a bit more, I'd feel a tad of sad.
> One may ask what is my motives for the preceding. I need no motives.
Sure sure.
> I believe in doing good. I believe in making our world the best
> possible. I believe in using one's talents to make life the best,
> unconditionally, and impart unto others some of the grace and the
> privilege and the love that has existed in my life. One may go to
> psychology in one's quest for motives. I respond that my motives
> transcend psychology. They are rooted in deliberate conscious choice
> based on values. In a quality that the human being possesses that is
> not based in Freud or Adler and that makes mankind better than what
> the aforementioned animalistic cretins portrayed it as being,
> deserving of better treatment and better fate.
Are you capable of posting without name dropping?
> As for Cujo, Bob and the rest of you - you can take it and shove it.
You are being mean and nasty. Please stop. You are hurting my
feelings.
> You aren't good; you are a bunch of bullies who get off on abuse,
> pretending as if the aforementioned immoral indulgence makes you
> moral.
Does this mean you aren't going to pray for me?
> You have no compassion, no goodness, no love, no perspective, no
> wisdom, no creativity.
It burns!!!
> You do nothing to make our world better. Ed Wollmann has more character
> than do you.
Bartmo too?
What about Boursey? Palmjob?
Quantum scalar Alexa?!?
catbrier
> I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person. All I need in
> order to do good is achieve my best and help people whenever possible.
I think you should focus on getting yourself through your therapy and
finding meaningful and lucrative work. In my opinion, FWIW, you should
start taking care of your own practical concerns.
> Which is a much better use of my time, and something far more
> constructive, than proving my worth before prosecutorial dimwits, who
> get all the more vicious the more you try to please them and for whom
> nothing is ever enough.
If you are referring to your audience of detractors on-line, why do
you bother? Usenet is something I do over my poached egg, dry toast,
apple, and tea in the morning. Nothing more.
You do not have to cater to anyone on-line, Ilya.
> It is also a far better use of time, and something far more
> constructive and morally tenable, than being an aforementioned
> prosecutorial dimwit. A Bill Gates or a Bill Clinton, both of whose
> personalities were self-righteously reviled by American people, have
> done far more for humanity than any of the above, whether their names
> be Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
> Martin. The prosecution of personality is a control game - and the
> people who do so are some of the worst people anywhere. All they do is
> attack and malign and excuse their abuse by claiming to speak for
> morality or
> society or religion while exhibiting none of the wisdom or goodness or
> perspective that being in authority demands. They represent the worst
> and most dishonest in humanity. They are the force that detracts from
> improvement in human condition - the force that keeps people in bad
> situations under the pretense of claiming them of bad character and
> prevents them from using their talents to improve the world and their
> own condition. They are the force that constitutes emotional and
> psychological abuse - that destroys people. They are parasitical.
In all truth Ilya, neither you nor I know anything at all about the
people we encounter on-line. Cujo and Bob might be very decent people
off-line. We can know nothing of their actual lives unless they choose
to inform us.
We should never presume that we really know anyone unless we know them
in real life.
> I don't care what is your personality or psychology. I care if you do
> good. Will enables people of any psychology or personality to do good
> things. Will gives us power to soar above personality and psychology
> and live deliberately rather than in manner that is predetermined by
> the abuser's perception of one's character. As does the grace of God,
> who picked Paul, a killer, to write the New Testament - and who,
> rather than paralyzing him with guilt, spurred him into action. Which
> example of God's workings - picking as his chosen one someone whose
> sins were far worse than those of almost anyone who is being morally
> bludgeoned, in relationships, families or otherwise - can be safely
> invoked by anyone at the receiving end of emotional, psychological and
> moral abuse.
Why are you allowing others to influence your sense of self?
Especially the faceless individuals one meets on-line! There is a
great danger in allowing the seductive power of this medium to become
our lives.
> To believe that a personality can be moral or amoral is to commit a
> grave logical error - the error of assigning moral value to
> involuntary
> psychological processes. It is to damn a person based on qualities
> they developed involuntarily in childhood and believe them incapable
> of
> doing good. And that is the most cruel, most sadistic, most dishonest,
> most morally repugnant action one can take - one that ignores the
> reality of will and the reality of what is a human being; one that
> reduces the human being to beastial psychological dynamics and fails
> to see in them the saving grace - the will - that allows people to act
> deliberately and to do good, whatever their psychology and whatever
> their past.
The only salutory aspect of Christianity that I like is the concept of
redemption. The belief that an individual can find forgiveness and
start again as a "new creation." But you can't do that on-line, Ilya.
> I have known people who were diagnosed as sociopaths or narcissists,
> and I do not find them to be worse than an average person. In some
> respects, I found them better - more exciting, more free, more open-
> minded, more creative. And they are most certainly better people than
> Henry Hyde, Kenneth Starr, Bob Martin or Cujo. Or anyone else engaging
> in prosecution of personality.
You feel judged and persecuted. But isn't that only in this medium?
Haven't we all been harshly judged by others on-line?
> As for Cujo, Bob and the rest of you - you can take it and shove it.
> You aren't good; you are a bunch of bullies who get off on abuse,
> pretending as if the aforementioned immoral indulgence makes you
> moral.
> You have no compassion, no goodness, no love, no perspective, no
> wisdom, no creativity. You do nothing to make our world better. Ed
> Wollmann has more character than do you.
In a way, you are empowering the people who torment you by making
statements like this. You might want to consider stepping back from
all of this on-line annimosity and taking an outsider objective view
of things. You might also wish to avoid cross-posting to so many
groups. Soc.singles and soc.men are not very usable groups.
I really do hope you get all this sorted out Ilya.
Cat
St-Jennifer-of-the-Knife
catbrier wrote:
> In all truth Ilya, neither you nor I know anything at all about the
> people we encounter on-line. Cujo and Bob might be very decent people
> off-line. We can know nothing of their actual lives unless they choose
> to inform us.
> We should never presume that we really know anyone unless we know them
> in real life.
Why would you think you really know someone when you know them in real
life?
Also, if Ilya has not actually met Bob, he certainly has met people
who have met Bob. I met them both, for instance. Well, Ilya I didn't
actually meet, I just glimpsed him loitering suspiciously with Layo
about my place of employment. I had never met either of them but I
recognized them instantly. They are psychic, you know.
Ilya's interactions with people are not going to have much effect
on what he thinks of them anyway. In a very real sense he does not
"interact" at all. He has an admirable detachment from reality.
Edmond Wollmann
> I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person. All I need in
> order to do good is achieve my best and help people whenever possible.
No one can "prove" anything to anyone anyway, they must be inclined to
accept the beliefs and arguments presented. People can only prove
things to themselves and to their own satisfaction. We are not
responsible FOR others only to them by being all we can be in
integrity. Because each individual creates their OWN reality.
> Which is a much better use of my time, and something far more
However, you must allow others to decide if you are helping or
interfereing.
> constructive, than proving my worth before prosecutorial dimwits, who
> get all the more vicious the more you try to please them and for whom
> nothing is ever enough.
No one can make anyone feel inferior without their consent. If you
give your consent it is because you believe they MIGHT have the power
to thwart you or to establish a definition which you know is not true
for you. If it is NOT true for you, then acting like it says more than
"proving things" to others.
> It is also a far better use of time, and something far more
> constructive and morally tenable, than being an aforementioned
> prosecutorial dimwit. A Bill Gates or a Bill Clinton, both of whose
> personalities were self-righteously reviled by American people, have
> done far more for humanity than any of the above, whether their names
> be Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
> Martin. The prosecution of personality is a control game - and the
> people who do so are some of the worst people anywhere. All they do is
> attack and malign and excuse their abuse by claiming to speak for
> morality or
Appealing to dimwits is what the Republicans, Military Intelligence
and Bush have become. They take the lowest common denominator (like
the spinics) and know that there are enough idiots who will buy the
garbage they spin. Only by not buying into the dumbing down, can
America ever rise up from the petty control freaks. If you noticed,
the spinics here used the same tactics the abusers at Abu Grahaib did
to abuse the prisoners, such as "panty-head" tactics and other
attempts to demean those they abuse. But I spoke of this years ago and
no one listened:
It is the same tactic used against the Native Americans to steal this
land from them. It is the same rationale that allowed the US to be THE
ONLY NATION ON THE PLANET THAT ACTUALLY _USED_ WEAPONS OF MASS
DESTRUCTION, when we bombed Hiroshima.
> society or religion while exhibiting none of the wisdom or goodness or
> perspective that being in authority demands. They represent the worst
We have a government by the people, for the people. But just like
alt.astrology, instead of the participants taking RESPONSIBILITY for
their group and FORCING the spinics out, they ran away taking the line
of least resistance and create a moderated group where they hide. By
the same token, people must VOTE if they want to excersise their
power--but they don't. In psychology this is called "diffusion of
responsibility".
> and most dishonest in humanity. They are the force that detracts from
> improvement in human condition - the force that keeps people in bad
This force can exist ONLY BECAUSE OTHERS ALLOW IT. The only thing
necessary for negativity to flourish is for others to sit idly by.
> situations under the pretense of claiming them of bad character and
> prevents them from using their talents to improve the world and their
> own condition. They are the force that constitutes emotional and
> psychological abuse - that destroys people. They are parasitical.
They are negative, all the spinics here believe their lives are
hopeless and in ruin, and they can't stand to see others suceed who
DON'T believe theirs is, hence they try to take others down the tubes
with them.
> I don't care what is your personality or psychology. I care if you do
> good. Will enables people of any psychology or personality to do good
Good and bad are subjective value judgments, as is shown so clearly by
Bush's "axis of evil" bullshit. The only axis of evil is between Bush
and Cheney.
> things. Will gives us power to soar above personality and psychology
> and live deliberately rather than in manner that is predetermined by
> the abuser's perception of one's character. As does the grace of God,
> who picked Paul, a killer, to write the New Testament - and who,
> rather than paralyzing him with guilt, spurred him into action. Which
> example of God's workings - picking as his chosen one someone whose
It's only an example of the force of belief, not a "God".
> sins were far worse than those of almost anyone who is being morally
> bludgeoned, in relationships, families or otherwise - can be safely
> invoked by anyone at the receiving end of emotional, psychological and
> moral abuse.
Sins and "worse" and other such judgments allows the abusers to
control you, because you have too many subjective value judgments as
arguments.
> To believe that a personality can be moral or amoral is to commit a
> grave logical error - the error of assigning moral value to
> involuntary
> psychological processes. It is to damn a person based on qualities
> they developed involuntarily in childhood and believe them incapable
> of
Everything you have and are is the result of effort, self-defintion
and introspection. You contradict yourself here and say that will
overcomes, but then say we are helpless because of "involuntary
development."
> doing good. And that is the most cruel, most sadistic, most dishonest,
> most morally repugnant action one can take - one that ignores the
> reality of will and the reality of what is a human being; one that
> reduces the human being to beastial psychological dynamics and fails
> to see in them the saving grace - the will - that allows people to act
> deliberately and to do good, whatever their psychology and whatever
> their past.
Self-empowerment is the key. If you believe yourself capable of doing
and having anything you wish--as long as you maintain integrity--then
there is no force in the universe that can affect you in a negative
way. You will trust.
> I have known people who were diagnosed as sociopaths or narcissists,
> and I do not find them to be worse than an average person. In some
> respects, I found them better - more exciting, more free, more open-
> minded, more creative. And they are most certainly better people than
> Henry Hyde, Kenneth Starr, Bob Martin or Cujo. Or anyone else engaging
> in prosecution of personality.
> I have no interest at all in changing my personality to suit Bob or
> Cujo. The people who claim most loudly to have changed their
> personalities are some of the nastiest people I know, and I consider
> the process a ruse and a trap. I will prove my worth by producing good
> work and doing good things for people who need it. By acting
> deliberately to do good and, using the mechanism of will and conscious
> choice, make my contribution to the world the best possible.
Then you go right ahead.
> One may ask what is my motives for the preceding. I need no motives.
> I believe in doing good. I believe in making our world the best
> possible. I believe in using one's talents to make life the best,
> unconditionally, and impart unto others some of the grace and the
> privilege and the love that has existed in my life. One may go to
> psychology in one's quest for motives. I respond that my motives
> transcend psychology. They are rooted in deliberate conscious choice
> based on values. In a quality that the human being possesses that is
> not based in Freud or Adler and that makes mankind better than what
> the aforementioned animalistic cretins portrayed it as being,
> deserving
> of better treatment and better fate.
> As for Cujo, Bob and the rest of you - you can take it and shove it.
> You aren't good; you are a bunch of bullies who get off on abuse,
> pretending as if the aforementioned immoral indulgence makes you
> moral.
> You have no compassion, no goodness, no love, no perspective, no
> wisdom, no creativity. You do nothing to make our world better. Ed
> Wollmann has more character than do you.
I will take that as a compliment:-)) Although, to top their strength
of character doesn't take much. Anyone who spends day in and day out
for 8 years trying to make a "panty-head" out of a person with depth
of character and talent they themselves do not (nor obviously will
ever for the exact same reasons) possess, is surely psychologically
unbalanced at the least, and severely in need of counsel and guidance.
In my life, I compare myself to those who have accomplished much more
than I to guide ME, and seek to learn from them just what I am capable
of doing should I overcome my own inertia and lack of insight. Because
I have strong self-worth (Sun ruling one in 10 sextile Jupiter/Uranus
in 12 in Cancer--the inner self). This is the exact opposite of those
who have no self-worth, who revel in comparing themselves to others
severely riddled with shortcomings or unfortunate events that don't
really speak of their abilities, or to continually try to point to
others missteps along the way to their accomplishments, because this
gives them an artificial status they will never have when compared to
those who focus on light instead of domination and destruction.
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the
strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them
better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives
valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again because there
is no effort without error and short-comings, who knows the great
devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows
in the end the high achievement of triumph and who at worst, if he
fails while daring greatly, knows his place shall never be with those
timid and cold souls who know neither victory nor defeat." THEODORE
ROOSEVELT, 26th U.S. President
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
AOL http://hometown.aol.com/ehwollmann/myhomepage/business.html
EHWollmann
is, we shall say, an artificial construct, a facade (not in a negative term,
but a mask) created so that you can have and express, in your physical reality,
the idea that you call mentality: thought, analysis, rationalization, reason.
With this tool of personality, you can, then, know that you have created a
specific mechanism or channel for the consciousness' point of view or
philosophy and, therefore, that philosophy will be expressed in your own unique
way, colored, if you will, by the unique personality or mentality that has been
created to express it." Bashar and the New Metaphysics.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(C) 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
Dan Baldwin
>
> drr0...@yahoo.com (Bodhisattvacat) wrote in message news:<4f2532f6.0408...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person. All I need in
> > order to do good is achieve my best and help people whenever possible.
>
> No one can "prove" anything to anyone anyway,
Especially when they don't actually *have* the degrees and credentials
they claim to, right, Edmo?
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:35325a08.04081...@posting.google.com:
> drr0...@yahoo.com (Bodhisattvacat) wrote in message
> news:<4f2532f6.0408...@posting.google.com>...
>
>> I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person. All I need
>> in order to do good is achieve my best and help people whenever
>> possible.
>
> No one can "prove" anything to anyone anyway, they must be inclined to
> accept the beliefs and arguments presented.
Gee, you forgot about hard evidence. That's not surprising since there's
hard evidence that both of you are fucking convicts.
> People can only prove
> things to themselves and to their own satisfaction. We are not
> responsible FOR others only to them by being all we can be in
> integrity. Because each individual creates their OWN reality.
Edmo, it's the same old tired screed you trot out everytime you are
looking for *anyone* who will support your delusions.
>> Which is a much better use of my time, and something far more
>
> However, you must allow others to decide if you are helping or
> interfereing.
That's why you're laughed at every time you try to troll for rubes, kook.
The funny thing is that you whine about that, you hypocritical fuckwad.
>> constructive, than proving my worth before prosecutorial dimwits, who
>> get all the more vicious the more you try to please them and for whom
>> nothing is ever enough.
>
> No one can make anyone feel inferior without their consent. If you
> give your consent it is because you believe they MIGHT have the power
> to thwart you or to establish a definition which you know is not true
> for you. If it is NOT true for you, then acting like it says more than
> "proving things" to others.
Ed, you are inferior. Everytime you make a claim it's smacked down hard
because you have nothing but pompous shrieks and whining to back it up.
>> It is also a far better use of time, and something far more
>> constructive and morally tenable, than being an aforementioned
>> prosecutorial dimwit. A Bill Gates or a Bill Clinton, both of whose
>> personalities were self-righteously reviled by American people, have
>> done far more for humanity than any of the above, whether their names
>> be Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
>> Martin. The prosecution of personality is a control game - and the
>> people who do so are some of the worst people anywhere. All they do
>> is attack and malign and excuse their abuse by claiming to speak for
>> morality or
>
> Appealing to dimwits is what the Republicans, Military Intelligence
> and Bush have become.
Disrespecting the rubes is no way to get them to let you rifle their
wallets, Edmo.
> They take the lowest common denominator (like
> the spinics) and know that there are enough idiots who will buy the
> garbage they spin.
Next on Geraldo!
Marketing secrets from Ed Wollmann!
You too can be a dumpster-diving misogynist, lying scumbag, plagiarist
and mooch off your relatives!
Just follow Ed's advice and become a *rube*!
> Only by not buying into the dumbing down, can
> America ever rise up from the petty control freaks. If you noticed,
> the spinics here used the same tactics the abusers at Abu Grahaib did
> to abuse the prisoners, such as "panty-head" tactics and other
> attempts to demean those they abuse. But I spoke of this years ago and
> no one listened:
Funny that you brought up your headwear, freak.
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=abuse+native+americans%2BEdmond+Wollm
> ann&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=36585571.251E%40worldnet.att.net&rnum=3
>
> It is the same tactic used against the Native Americans to steal this
> land from them.
Rilly? I didn't know they put panties on the heads of the Indian Chiefs!
Better let the historians know about this startling discovery. Don't
forget to mention you were the first to point out Orion is a star.
> It is the same rationale that allowed the US to be THE
> ONLY NATION ON THE PLANET THAT ACTUALLY _USED_ WEAPONS OF MASS
> DESTRUCTION, when we bombed Hiroshima.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!1!!!
Panties and atomic weapons! You're fucking killing me, Edmo!
>> society or religion while exhibiting none of the wisdom or goodness
>> or perspective that being in authority demands. They represent the
>> worst
>
> We have a government by the people, for the people. But just like
> alt.astrology, instead of the participants taking RESPONSIBILITY for
> their group and FORCING the spinics out, they ran away taking the line
> of least resistance and create a moderated group where they hide.
Ed, they formed the group to get away from you, your many (over 50!)
sockpuppets and your threats.
> By
> the same token, people must VOTE if they want to excersise their
> power--but they don't. In psychology this is called "diffusion of
> responsibility".
No it's not, dumbfuck. It's called apathy.
BTW, are criminals like you allowed to vote?
>> and most dishonest in humanity. They are the force that detracts from
>> improvement in human condition - the force that keeps people in bad
>
> This force can exist ONLY BECAUSE OTHERS ALLOW IT. The only thing
> necessary for negativity to flourish is for others to sit idly by.
The same could be said of scammers like you. There's one difference:
You're so fucking pathetic that it doesn't matter.
>> situations under the pretense of claiming them of bad character and
>> prevents them from using their talents to improve the world and their
>> own condition. They are the force that constitutes emotional and
>> psychological abuse - that destroys people. They are parasitical.
>
> They are negative, all the spinics here believe their lives are
> hopeless and in ruin, and they can't stand to see others suceed who
> DON'T believe theirs is, hence they try to take others down the tubes
> with them.
Let's crucify Eddieeeeeeeeeee! It's what he's begging for!
>> I don't care what is your personality or psychology. I care if you do
>> good. Will enables people of any psychology or personality to do good
>
> Good and bad are subjective value judgments, as is shown so clearly by
> Bush's "axis of evil" bullshit. The only axis of evil is between Bush
> and Cheney.
But that's a subjective value judgement too, fool.
>> things. Will gives us power to soar above personality and psychology
>> and live deliberately rather than in manner that is predetermined by
>> the abuser's perception of one's character. As does the grace of God,
>> who picked Paul, a killer, to write the New Testament - and who,
>> rather than paralyzing him with guilt, spurred him into action. Which
>> example of God's workings - picking as his chosen one someone whose
>
> It's only an example of the force of belief, not a "God".
>
>> sins were far worse than those of almost anyone who is being morally
>> bludgeoned, in relationships, families or otherwise - can be safely
>> invoked by anyone at the receiving end of emotional, psychological
>> and moral abuse.
>
> Sins and "worse" and other such judgments allows the abusers to
> control you, because you have too many subjective value judgments as
> arguments.
Thanks for additional proof that you cannot take your own advice.
>> To believe that a personality can be moral or amoral is to commit a
>> grave logical error - the error of assigning moral value to
>> involuntary
>> psychological processes. It is to damn a person based on qualities
>> they developed involuntarily in childhood and believe them incapable
>> of
>
> Everything you have and are is the result of effort, self-defintion
> and introspection. You contradict yourself here and say that will
> overcomes, but then say we are helpless because of "involuntary
> development."
I hope that means you two will be getting a room real soon.
>> doing good. And that is the most cruel, most sadistic, most
>> dishonest, most morally repugnant action one can take - one that
>> ignores the reality of will and the reality of what is a human being;
>> one that reduces the human being to beastial psychological dynamics
>> and fails to see in them the saving grace - the will - that allows
>> people to act deliberately and to do good, whatever their psychology
>> and whatever their past.
>
> Self-empowerment is the key. If you believe yourself capable of doing
> and having anything you wish--as long as you maintain integrity--then
> there is no force in the universe that can affect you in a negative
> way. You will trust.
So howzat airstrip, castle and observatory going, Ed? While you're at it,
let me know about my lawsuit and your tort against SDSU.
>> I have known people who were diagnosed as sociopaths or narcissists,
>> and I do not find them to be worse than an average person. In some
>> respects, I found them better - more exciting, more free, more open-
>> minded, more creative. And they are most certainly better people than
>> Henry Hyde, Kenneth Starr, Bob Martin or Cujo. Or anyone else
>> engaging in prosecution of personality.
>
>> I have no interest at all in changing my personality to suit Bob or
>> Cujo. The people who claim most loudly to have changed their
>> personalities are some of the nastiest people I know, and I consider
>> the process a ruse and a trap. I will prove my worth by producing
>> good work and doing good things for people who need it. By acting
>> deliberately to do good and, using the mechanism of will and
>> conscious choice, make my contribution to the world the best
>> possible.
>
> Then you go right ahead.
That's right, Spambot! Take Edmo's advice and you too can be a complete
and utter loon!
>> One may ask what is my motives for the preceding. I need no motives.
>> I believe in doing good. I believe in making our world the best
>> possible. I believe in using one's talents to make life the best,
>> unconditionally, and impart unto others some of the grace and the
>> privilege and the love that has existed in my life. One may go to
>> psychology in one's quest for motives. I respond that my motives
>> transcend psychology. They are rooted in deliberate conscious choice
>> based on values. In a quality that the human being possesses that is
>> not based in Freud or Adler and that makes mankind better than what
>> the aforementioned animalistic cretins portrayed it as being,
>> deserving
>> of better treatment and better fate.
>
>> As for Cujo, Bob and the rest of you - you can take it and shove it.
>> You aren't good; you are a bunch of bullies who get off on abuse,
>> pretending as if the aforementioned immoral indulgence makes you
>> moral.
>> You have no compassion, no goodness, no love, no perspective, no
>> wisdom, no creativity. You do nothing to make our world better. Ed
>> Wollmann has more character than do you.
>
> I will take that as a compliment:-))
You're pretty desperate, considering the source, Pantyhead.
> Although, to top their strength
> of character doesn't take much. Anyone who spends day in and day out
> for 8 years trying to make a "panty-head" out of a person with depth
> of character and talent they themselves do not (nor obviously will
> ever for the exact same reasons) possess, is surely psychologically
> unbalanced at the least, and severely in need of counsel and guidance.
That's funny, you've won 39 different kook awards and someone is supposed
to take you seriously? Please provide proof you have any basis or
qualifications for making such an assertion.
> In my life, I compare myself to those who have accomplished much more
> than I to guide ME, and seek to learn from them just what I am capable
> of doing should I overcome my own inertia and lack of insight.
But you always fail miserably when putting it in practice.
> Because
> I have strong self-worth (Sun ruling one in 10 sextile Jupiter/Uranus
> in 12 in Cancer--the inner self). This is the exact opposite of those
> who have no self-worth, who revel in comparing themselves to others
> severely riddled with shortcomings or unfortunate events that don't
> really speak of their abilities, or to continually try to point to
> others missteps along the way to their accomplishments, because this
> gives them an artificial status they will never have when compared to
> those who focus on light instead of domination and destruction.
That's certainly a twist: Using your chart to bash others.
Do us all a favor and schedule your next kook circle jerk someplace more
suited to such mutual masturbation. Invite Ilya over to see your castle.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
"Irrelevant. The unaware fear me. The aware welcome me." - Edmo, brave
explorer of PF Chang's explains why he's always on topic in kook groups.
Dan Baldwin
>
Screed for screed, then.
Edmond Wollmann: "Bashar!
"You can recognize the electromagnetic vibration of the Sybian machine
in your ass, to be the higher vibratory resonance you get when you crank
the left hand knob up to 10. And that if you can simply focus on the
vibrational frequency of the tip of the attachment you will then come as
you never have come before (except for maybe that time you let the
neighbor's dog do you). For you are pumping up and
down--symbolically--from another plane of existence altogether, when you
ride on the Shaft of Arcturus.
A vibrator that can be utilized that we have shared with many of you at
Crisco parties to help you focus on those hard to reach areas is the
I-Flex (hence, my large Visa bill).
Will this be of assistance?"
EW: <buzzing sound in the background> "Unnnggghhh …. Uh … Yes, thank
you."
EW: "But what about 'batteries not included'? What does this mean?
Bashar: "It has to do with E-L-E-C-T-R-I-C-A-L S-T-I-M-U-L-A-T-I-O-N,
do you follow me?
EW: <more buzzing> "Yes, lick that ice cream cone you dirty spinic, LICK
IT- err ... ah, yes. Do you have any information on 'Hoova'"?
Bashar: Yes" HOOVA MOON MUHTMA, in the ancient tongue translates as "For
use in 3-pronged grounded outlets only."
EW: "And I am connected to this energy?
Bashar: "Yes, to align yourself with this device allow minimal
applications of Astroglide, are you familiar with this idea?"
EW: <still more buzzing> "Yank it off, yank it right off your servers
... spinics ... defeating the spin- ... oh, uh ... yes, thank you."
Bashar: <handing Ed a towel> "Will this be of assistance to you?"
EW: "Yes."
David
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
[...]
> > No one can "prove" anything to anyone anyway,
>
> Especially when they don't actually *have* the degrees and credentials
> they claim to, right, Edmo?
All I know is I *think* I can prove I'm an 8th-grade drop-out with a GED
and dozen or so Community College credits. It'd take some effort on the
other person's part to find the records though: at least in Baltimore in
1976 they didn't give Official Drop-Out Certificates, my GED "diploma"
(issued in September of 1979) got lost (or abandoned) in one of my many
moves (along with my divorce decree from 1988), and I didn't keep track
of my college records either but I'd expect Baltimore City Community
College to have them someplace. And you're darned t00tin' it won't be
*I* who gonna be doin' all that investigating: you wanna know, you look.
As to why anyone would bother asking me for proof that I'm a half-educated
barely-literate bum I don't know, unless my True Geniosity shines through.
Clearly I'm the polar opposite of The Truly Fabulous Ilya B. Shambat, who
graduated from the University of Virginia at age 16 and has continued to
be a stellar success ever since. (Right?)
Thintherely,
TheDavid
P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and everything?
I wanna be a net.legend just like .... oh I forget.
Sharon B
wrote in <Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org>:
>P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and everything?
Request DENIED.
> I wanna be a net.legend just like .... oh I forget.
Oar-ing to shore is not allowed.
original ng line added to the f/up line
--
Member of The Committee for Aesthetic Deletions
Overseer of Prejudicial Eliminations
Judge Advocate Very Large Number of Cohorts
1st Virginia Volunteers Official Cohort #11
CEsium Brigade
-r0ck
Universal License to Subject President
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Winner 2003 alt.hackers.malicious Wanker Stomping Award
Hell Pope Empress Supreme Dictator of Soc.men
David
[...]
> Take Edmo's advice and you too can be a complete and utter loon!
You think that would work for ME too?
[...]
> That's funny, you've won 39 different kook awards and someone is
> supposed to take you seriously?
You recommend Ed Wollman's k00k credentials. But how is he as a guru?
Aspiringly,
TheDavid
P.S. I wanna be in a FAQ! Maybe in the Jargon File!
David
> >P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and
> >everything?
> Request DENIED.
Oh damn, I'm a failure as a net.kook. And I had such high hopes!
Maybe I should go back to Trolling For Dollars.
Shall we take a VOTE?
D.
Peter J Ross
<...>
> Well, Ilya I didn't
> actually meet, I just glimpsed him loitering suspiciously with Layo
> about my place of employment.
Do you work in a library?
<..>
Peter J Ross
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:18:20 -0400, David <thed...@shell.rawbw.com>
> wrote in <Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org>:
>
>> P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and everything?
>
> Request DENIED.
I denied it weeks ago, but he's persistent. I wonder if daily requests
to be an official kook would count as a kooksign.
>> I wanna be a net.legend just like .... oh I forget.
>
> Oar-ing to shore is not allowed.
>
> original ng line added to the f/up line
Follow-up trick THWARTED, kook!!!!1!!
;-)
Seth Bullock
> drr0...@yahoo.com (Bodhisattvacat) wrote in message news:<4f2532f6.0408...@posting.google.com>...
>
>
>>I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person. All I need in
>>order to do good is achieve my best and help people whenever possible.
>
>
> No one can "prove" anything to anyone anyway,
Why are you putting quotation marks around the word "prove"? So you can
weasel out of it later?
Seth Bullock
> "Now, recognize that the personality
you are quoting is a made-up imaginary person concocted by some New Age
fool.
Sharon B
wrote in <1dmpgnn2...@nntp.petitmorte.net>:
>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:30:02 -0400, Sharon B wrote in alt.astrology:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:18:20 -0400, David <thed...@shell.rawbw.com>
>> wrote in <Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org>:
>>
>>> P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and everything?
>>
>> Request DENIED.
>
>I denied it weeks ago, but he's persistent. I wonder if daily requests
>to be an official kook would count as a kooksign.
Don't go giving ICEKNIFE any ideas.
alt.slack added
Peter J Ross
Anybody who has an all-caps nym, such as "ICEKNIFE", is a KOOK,
obviously.
CUJO DESOCKPUPPET
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:58:02 -0400, Sharon B wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:53:14 GMT, Peter J Ross
>> <gad...@NOSPAMmeow.org> wrote in
>> <1dmpgnn2...@nntp.petitmorte.net>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:30:02 -0400, Sharon B wrote in alt.astrology:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:18:20 -0400, David
>>>> <thed...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in
>>>> <Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and
>>>>> everything?
>>>>
>>>> Request DENIED.
>>>
>>> I denied it weeks ago, but he's persistent. I wonder if daily
>>> requests to be an official kook would count as a kooksign.
>>
>> Don't go giving ICEKNIFE any ideas.
>> alt.slack added
>
> Anybody who has an all-caps nym, such as "ICEKNIFE", is a KOOK,
> obviously.
Or RaNdOm CApS.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
"I had more clients and work BEFORE the net than I do now, which
makes no sense to me." - Edmo the blind accountant.
PeTeR j RoSs
> Peter J Ross <gad...@NOSPAMmeow.org> wrote in
> news:laa3jevo...@nntp.petitmorte.net:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:58:02 -0400, Sharon B wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:53:14 GMT, Peter J Ross
>>> <gad...@NOSPAMmeow.org> wrote in
>>> <1dmpgnn2...@nntp.petitmorte.net>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:30:02 -0400, Sharon B wrote in alt.astrology:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:18:20 -0400, David
>>>>> <thed...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in
>>>>> <Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and
>>>>>> everything?
>>>>>
>>>>> Request DENIED.
>>>>
>>>> I denied it weeks ago, but he's persistent. I wonder if daily
>>>> requests to be an official kook would count as a kooksign.
>>>
>>> Don't go giving ICEKNIFE any ideas.
>>> alt.slack added
>>
>> Anybody who has an all-caps nym, such as "ICEKNIFE", is a KOOK,
>> obviously.
>
> Or RaNdOm CApS.
Quite so.
David
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:30:02 -0400, Sharon B wrote in alt.astrology:
> >
> >> P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and everything?
> >
> > Request DENIED.
>
> I denied it weeks ago, but he's persistent. I wonder if daily requests
> to be an official kook would count as a kooksign.
But if I'm going around emitting kooksign all the time, I must be a kook.
I win! I win! I'm a real net.kook now!
Successfully
TheDavid
bob
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Peter J Ross wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:30:02 -0400, Sharon B wrote in alt.astrology:
> > > On Tue, David <thed...@shell.rawbw.com>:
> > >
> > >> P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and everything?
> > >
> > > Request DENIED.
> >
> > I denied it weeks ago, but he's persistent. I wonder if daily requests
> > to be an official kook would count as a kooksign.
>
> But if I'm going around emitting kooksign all the time, I must be a kook.
>
> I win! I win! I'm a real net.kook now!
Have you read the way of the kook?
http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm
I have a feeling you'll have to settle for net.jerk (a cohort that
includes me). Ilya has a much better chance of being recognized for
his kookiness. He'd probably already have won an award if he responded
to people more often.
bob
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Sharon B wrote back to me:
>
> > >P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and
> > >everything?
>
> > Request DENIED.
>
> Oh damn, I'm a failure as a net.kook. And I had such high hopes!
Maybe if you threatened to sue a couple of kooksite keepers for
refusing to add you to their sites ....
Just an idea.
bob
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Sharon B wrote back to me:
>
> > >P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and
> > >everything?
>
> > Request DENIED.
>
> Oh damn, I'm a failure as a net.kook. And I had such high hopes!
Maybe if you threatened to sue a couple of kooksite keepers for
Sharon B
wrote in <laa3jevo...@nntp.petitmorte.net>:
>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:58:02 -0400, Sharon B wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:53:14 GMT, Peter J Ross <gad...@NOSPAMmeow.org>
>> wrote in <1dmpgnn2...@nntp.petitmorte.net>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:30:02 -0400, Sharon B wrote in alt.astrology:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:18:20 -0400, David <thed...@shell.rawbw.com>
>>>> wrote in <Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> P.S. So can I be an Official K00k yet, mentioned in FAQs and everything?
>>>>
>>>> Request DENIED.
>>>
>>> I denied it weeks ago, but he's persistent. I wonder if daily requests
>>> to be an official kook would count as a kooksign.
>>
>> Don't go giving ICEKNIFE any ideas.
>> alt.slack added
>
>Anybody who has an all-caps nym, such as "ICEKNIFE", is a KOOK,
>obviously.
NOW you're just encouraging him.
All must love ICEKNIFE because he is PURE SCIENCE.
David
> Have you read the way of the kook?
>
> http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm
Oh. Well, if that the definitive document on kookery, and if it's
anything like the DSM-IV where you must have 5 of 8 symptoms to
qualify, having missed more than half the qualifications I might
not really be all that kooky after all.
WAAAAHHH!!!!1!1!! I'M A FAILURE AS A KOOK!!!1!1!
Incompetently,
TheDavid
P.S. By the way, going by that, Ilya ain't much of a kook either.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, bob asked me:
>
>> Have you read the way of the kook?
>>
>> http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm
>
> Oh. Well, if that the definitive document on kookery, and if it's
> anything like the DSM-IV where you must have 5 of 8 symptoms to
> qualify, having missed more than half the qualifications I might
> not really be all that kooky after all.
>
> WAAAAHHH!!!!1!1!! I'M A FAILURE AS A KOOK!!!1!1!
>
>
> Incompetently,
> TheDavid
>
> P.S. By the way, going by that, Ilya ain't much of a kook either.
Cheer up, you angst-ridden wannabe. You can always subject Ilya (and
yourself) to the Kook Appraisal Test. You can look up the URL on google,
I'm not in the mood right now.
Grab a pen and paper as the point calculator script is missing.
Get back to AUK with Ilya Spambot's score. It'll probably get some
recognition that Hand-to-Gland boy needs since he has to mooch computer
services these days and can't kook out regularly.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
Chris Krolczyk
Dekookified:
> "Now, recognize that my screedposts are not worth reading. My reality
> is, we shall say, a delusional construct, a facade (not in a positive term,
> but a mask) created so that I can have and express, in your physical reality,
> the idea that you call insanity: lack of thought, lack of analysis,
> rationalization of my plagiarism of Bashar, reason. With this tool of
> rationalization, you can, then, know that you have read a screed of
> mine which can be ignored or deleted due to it having the point of view
> or philosophy of a shit-covered rock, and, therefore, that "philosophy" will > be expressed in your own unique sense of revulsion, colored, if you will,
> by the unique lunacy or or mentality that has been created by me
> to express it in a way that no one cares about." Wollkook and
> the New Plagiarism
> Edmond H. Wollmann P.I.N.H.E.A.D.
> (C) 2004 Hotair Publications, SUX 299-5603
> Astrolooneytune Consulting http://www.astrokookical.com/
> Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
> Plagiarism http://www.e-wollkook.com/DICK.htm
-Chris Krolczyk
Emperor Norton Gojira IV/I
>Oh. Well, if that the definitive document on kookery, and if it's
>anything like the DSM-IV where you must have 5 of 8 symptoms to
>qualify, having missed more than half the qualifications I might
>not really be all that kooky after all.
>WAAAAHHH!!!!1!1!! I'M A FAILURE AS A KOOK!!!1!1!
>Incompetently,
>TheDavid
>P.S. By the way, going by that, Ilya ain't much of a kook either.
Isn't that what I said?
Kook Appraisal Test (KAT or KAT Index)
Instructions :
In this section give yourself ONE point for every YES answer.
Give yourself additional points for multiple occurences.
Grading scale follows questions.
Have you ever :
1. Been the first to go ad-hominem in a newsgroup debate.
2. Accused someone of breaking a non-existant Federal Law.
3. Called a properly formatted cancel of a BI>20 article a *forged cancel*
4. Ranted about *Free Speech* when a moderator rejected your article.
Two points if it's spelled "FREE SPEACH".
5. Complained to someone's ISP when you got spanked in a flame war.
6. Been complained about to your ISP deservedly.
7. Flamed someone from an anonymous account.
8. Made a spelling flame.
In this section give yourself TWO points for every YES answer.
Give yourself additional points for multiple occurences.
1. Called someone a pedophile or drug pusher without proof.
2. Ranted about *Free Speech* when an anti-spammer cancelled your article.
3. Posted to a newsgroup via sock-puppet.
4. Thought about becoming a Freedom Knight.
5. Voted via sock-puppet in a Big Eight vote.
6. Defended a well known kook.
7. Been Nominated for a Kook award.
8. Called someone a *NAZI* or otherwise invoked Godwin's Law.
In this section give yourself THREE points for every YES answer.
Give yourself additional points for multiple occurences.
1. Threatened to kill or cause bodily harm to another via mail or post.
2. Stalked/harassed an opponent off-line.
3. Mail-bombed anyone.
4. Spammed a newsgroup.
5. Posted a forged or altered newsgroup article.
6. Lost an account due to abuse.
7. Won a kook award
8. Threatened a groundless lawsuit via mail or post.
9. Had a FAQ posted about your kookiness.
Scale/Rank :
1 - 5 points : Kook Wannabe. Read Grubor's posting history on dejanews.
You have much to learn. You may have just screwed up once.
6 - 10 points : Journeyman Kook. Continue to mimic the real kooks.
You could be a contender.
11 - 20 points : Kook First Class. Still a lesser light, but you HAVE arrived!
21 - 30 points : Kook cum Laude. Someone is considering writing a FAQ about
you.
31 + points : Kook Magna cum Laude. You have a FAQ.
You've won all the big awards.
You can leap tall newbies with a single bound.
[Note: originally posted to alt.usenet.kooks by Cipher [at] mindspring.com;
reprinted with permission. This is version 2.1, if my records are correct.]
ash
['It's a beautiful night...']
--
"We shoulda drank th' cognac an' walked to git gas."
_________________________________________________________________
Give me Liberty or give me a nice house in France from whence I
can hunt some Liberty down. Or you can eat lead. Get off my wave.
Two|Riven against a Black Sun|six|...that which we are we are|One
bob
wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, bob asked me:
>
>> Have you read the way of the kook?
>>
>> http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm
>
>Oh. Well, if that the definitive document on kookery, and if it's
>anything like the DSM-IV where you must have 5 of 8 symptoms to
>qualify, having missed more than half the qualifications I might
>not really be all that kooky after all.
>
>WAAAAHHH!!!!1!1!! I'M A FAILURE AS A KOOK!!!1!1!
Just a sec .... OK, I'm back. I had to check to see if there was a
group called alt.jerks. I'd newgroup it but it probably wouldn't
propagate well. alt.fan.jerks would probably make it though.
jerks.com jerks.net and jerks.org are unavailable.
jerks.org registration info:
Registrant Name:Jerks, Inc.
Registrant Organization:Jerks, Inc.
Registrant Street1:11124 Timberhead Lane
Registrant Street2:2nd Floor
Registrant City:Reston
Registrant State/Province:VA
Registrant Postal Code:20191
Registrant Country:US
Reston. Gee, who do we know who lives there?
>Incompetently,
>TheDavid
>
>P.S. By the way, going by that, Ilya ain't much of a kook either.
I thought about suggesting a new kook category (order of the wanker or
something like that) but I doubted the idea would get much support.
Ilya would have to frothingly defend himself much more than he does to
get more than the occasional bitch slaps he receives. He's more of
annoyance than anything. He's more like the shit some yuppy's barky
footbal drops on the sidewalk than he is like the dog itself.
David
> Kook Appraisal Test (KAT or KAT Index)
>
> Instructions :
>
> In this section give yourself ONE point for every YES answer.
> Give yourself additional points for multiple occurences.
>
> Grading scale follows questions.
>
> Have you ever :
>
> 1. Been the first to go ad-hominem in a newsgroup debate.
Yes.
> 2. Accused someone of breaking a non-existant Federal Law.
> 3. Called a properly formatted cancel of a BI>20 article a *forged cancel*
> 4. Ranted about *Free Speech* when a moderator rejected your article.
> Two points if it's spelled "FREE SPEACH".
> 5. Complained to someone's ISP when you got spanked in a flame war.
> 6. Been complained about to your ISP deservedly.
> 7. Flamed someone from an anonymous account.
All no.
> 8. Made a spelling flame.
Yes. So two points for this section.
> In this section give yourself TWO points for every YES answer.
> Give yourself additional points for multiple occurences.
>
> 1. Called someone a pedophile or drug pusher without proof.
Yes. Hasn't everybody slandered somebody as a pedophile? Maybe,
oh, six points here.
> 2. Ranted about *Free Speech* when an anti-spammer cancelled your article.
> 3. Posted to a newsgroup via sock-puppet.
> 4. Thought about becoming a Freedom Knight.
> 5. Voted via sock-puppet in a Big Eight vote.
All no.
> 6. Defended a well known kook.
Does Ilya count?
> 7. Been Nominated for a Kook award.
No idea.
> 8. Called someone a *NAZI* or otherwise invoked Godwin's Law.
Sure! Maybe four points here.
So far 12 points.
> In this section give yourself THREE points for every YES answer.
> Give yourself additional points for multiple occurences.
>
> 1. Threatened to kill or cause bodily harm to another via mail or post.
> 2. Stalked/harassed an opponent off-line.
> 3. Mail-bombed anyone.
All no.
> 4. Spammed a newsgroup.
Define "spam."
> 5. Posted a forged or altered newsgroup article.
> 6. Lost an account due to abuse.
> 7. Won a kook award
> 8. Threatened a groundless lawsuit via mail or post.
> 9. Had a FAQ posted about your kookiness.
All no. No points for this section. So 12 points for the whole test.
> Scale/Rank :
>
> 1 - 5 points : Kook Wannabe. Read Grubor's posting history on dejanews.
> You have much to learn. You may have just screwed up once.
>
> 6 - 10 points : Journeyman Kook. Continue to mimic the real kooks.
> You could be a contender.
>
> 11 - 20 points : Kook First Class. Still a lesser light, but you HAVE arrived!
Yay! I barely made it! (But only because because I called somebody a
pedophile more than once, dammit.)
Gleefully,
TheDavid
Olu Dada, Queen of Squirls
> catbrier wrote:
>
> > In all truth Ilya, neither you nor I know anything at all about the
> > people we encounter on-line. Cujo and Bob might be very decent people
> > off-line. We can know nothing of their actual lives unless they choose
> > to inform us.
> > We should never presume that we really know anyone unless we know them
> > in real life.
>
>
> Why would you think you really know someone when you know them in real
> life?
>
> Also, if Ilya has not actually met Bob, he certainly has met people
> who have met Bob.
I haven't met bob, but I saw him brag publicly that I accepted an
invitation once! Merely to invite me to coffee is to have sc0red.
> I met them both, for instance.
Now you are bragging too. People will get the wrong idea about us.
> Well, Ilya I didn't
> actually meet, I just glimpsed him loitering suspiciously with Layo
> about my place of employment. I had never met either of them but I
> recognized them instantly.
You got a funny look on your face. Entertaining. Hey, we left and
didn't come back so that is NOT STALKING.
> They are psychic, you know.
I sense that you loooooove me.
> Ilya's interactions with people are not going to have much effect
> on what he thinks of them anyway. In a very real sense he does not
> "interact" at all. He has an admirable detachment from reality.
It is as though the two of you have met.
I'm in an extremely bad mood. Naked Jell-O slapfight? Hmm, that will
be taken as authentically hostile. Which personality disorder means
you are covered in bobbing, sinuous offense-detection tentacles,
waving through the humid air, yellow from collecting pollen?
J'accuse!
L
Olu Dada, Queen of Squirls
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:36:55 -0400, in message <<Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org>>, David <thed...@shell.rawbw.com> spleniated...
> >Oh. Well, if that the definitive document on kookery, and if it's
> >anything like the DSM-IV where you must have 5 of 8 symptoms to
> >qualify, having missed more than half the qualifications I might
> >not really be all that kooky after all.
> >WAAAAHHH!!!!1!1!! I'M A FAILURE AS A KOOK!!!1!1!
> >Incompetently,
> >TheDavid
> >P.S. By the way, going by that, Ilya ain't much of a kook either.
>
> Isn't that what I said?
Nice spelling of "isnn;t" you pedophile drug-pushing Nazi; you know
the Feds are coming down on you hard for that one, I love TheDavid and
I am going to become a Freedom Knight so FREE SPEACH you Nazi fucktard
I am suing you for defamation!!!!!!111!!!
Nice spelling of "isnn;t" you pedophile drug-pushing Nazi; you know
the Feds are coming down on you hard for that one, I love TheDavid and
I am going to become a Freedom Knight so FREE SPEACH you Nazi fucktard
I am suing you for defamation!!!!!!111!!!
Nice spelling of "isnn;t" you pedophile drug-pushing Nazi; you know
the Feds are coming down on you hard for that one, I love TheDavid and
I am going to become a Freedom Knight so FREE SPEACH you Nazi fucktard
I am suing you for defamation!!!!!!111!!!
L
that's 39 points that *you* know about - where's my fucking FAQ!?!
wollma...@spam.free
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bob
> St-Jennifer-of-the-Knife <mli...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4118EF62...@hotmail.com>...
> > catbrier wrote:
> >
> > > In all truth Ilya, neither you nor I know anything at all about the
> > > people we encounter on-line. Cujo and Bob might be very decent people
> > > off-line. We can know nothing of their actual lives unless they choose
> > > to inform us.
> > > We should never presume that we really know anyone unless we know them
> > > in real life.
> >
> >
> > Why would you think you really know someone when you know them in real
> > life?
> >
> > Also, if Ilya has not actually met Bob, he certainly has met people
> > who have met Bob.
>
> I haven't met bob, but I saw him brag publicly that I accepted an
> invitation once! Merely to invite me to coffee is to have sc0red.
So, you are still hurt that I blew you off, eh lie-oh? I hardly looked
at it as scoring. As I recall, you went on and on about how great
Gwenneth and I would be together. I blew you off because I didn't
think the drive to meet you would be worth the time and effort.
I suppose being somewhat asocial had a lot to do with me not
bothering. The thought of meeting several new people at once pretty
much freaked me out back then. I'm a bit more relaxed in social
settings now but I'm always relieved when it's time to stop forcing
myself to pay attention to others.
> > I met them both, for instance.
>
> Now you are bragging too. People will get the wrong idea about us.
The wrong idea about you? How could anyone think that you are
something other than needy, narcisstic [overused!!!], nasty, and ... I
can't think of another n-word. Maybe some coffee would help. How about
a two word phrase that includes nefariously? Naughty? That won't do.
Niggling? It doesn't seem to flow. Nutjob? No, you are too
controlling. Necrotic would be good if I could figure out a good place
to insert it.
Help me out here Layo. You are much better at this than I am.
> > Well, Ilya I didn't
> > actually meet, I just glimpsed him loitering suspiciously with Layo
> > about my place of employment. I had never met either of them but I
> > recognized them instantly.
>
> You got a funny look on your face. Entertaining. Hey, we left and
> didn't come back so that is NOT STALKING.
Stalker!!!
> > They are psychic, you know.
>
> I sense that you loooooove me.
I sense your feelings are hurt.
> > Ilya's interactions with people are not going to have much effect
> > on what he thinks of them anyway. In a very real sense he does not
> > "interact" at all. He has an admirable detachment from reality.
>
> It is as though the two of you have met.
>
> I'm in an extremely bad mood.
How often are you in a good mood?
> Naked Jell-O slapfight? Hmm, that will
> be taken as authentically hostile. Which personality disorder means
> you are covered in bobbing, sinuous offense-detection tentacles,
> waving through the humid air, yellow from collecting pollen?
Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus Wannabee Disorder?
http://www.zapatopi.net/treeoctopus.html
> J'accuse!
Gezeundheit!
Pedantus
"Bob Officer" <bobof...@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:r30mh0thutk2vvrov...@4ax.com...
> On 10 Aug 2004 16:49:51 GMT, in alt.astrology, ehwol...@aol.com
> (EHWollmann) wrote:
>
> >"Now, recognize that the personality is not who nor what you are.
Personality
> >is, we shall say, an artificial construct, a facade (not in a negative
term,
> >but a mask) created so that you can have and express, in your physical
reality,
> >the idea that you call mentality: thought, analysis, rationalization,
reason.
> >With this tool of personality, you can, then, know that you have created
a
> >specific mechanism or channel for the consciousness' point of view or
> >philosophy and, therefore, that philosophy will be expressed in your own
unique
> >way, colored, if you will, by the unique personality or mentality that
has been
> >created to express it." Bashar and the New Metaphysics.
>
> Eddy, That's all copyright material?
>
> Where are your own fair use comments?
>
> If you don't cite and use fair use rules, then you are republishing/
> reproducing someone else's copyright work.
>
> Then if you posted this for discussion, what is Bashar's qualifications to
> express an opinion WRT personality vs person?
>
> I see a person with multiple personality disorder playing at being a
> "channeler". It is either that or a con-man that found a silly rube by the
> name of Eddy H Wollmann.
If 'astro-twins' exist, then here is the 'face' of 'Bashar' ala an
astro-twin of Daryl Anka:
http://www.marciaweberartobjects.com/5911.jpg
or, :
http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~dacrotty/lucas.html
or maybe this one, :
http://www.axa-art.com/gallery/200204/pop_side_02.html
At any rate, at least this artist admits he is creating whimsey from
recycled materials for the expressed purpose of selling an product.
http://garde-rail.com/artists/charlie.html
Bashar = Anka = :
http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/d6Q7dgxvaUTY.htm
So, Ed, whadayathink? Is that Libra Sun conjunct Merury is afflicted by
the illusions of the Neptune square Uranus abberations, or what...:)?
>
>
>
> >Ed
> --
> Aktohdi
Pedantus Preguntas
bob
http://www.geocities.com/drr0cket/layos.htm
Close enough?
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"Bodhisattvacat" <drr0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person. All I need in
> order to do good is achieve my best and help people whenever possible.
>
> Which is a much better use of my time, and something far more
> constructive, than proving my worth before prosecutorial dimwits, who
> get all the more vicious the more you try to please them and for whom
> nothing is ever enough.
>
> It is also a far better use of time, and something far more
> constructive and morally tenable, than being an aforementioned
> prosecutorial dimwit. A Bill Gates or a Bill Clinton, both of whose
> personalities were self-righteously reviled by American people, have
> done far more for humanity than any of the above, whether their names
> be Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
> Martin. The prosecution of personality is a control game - and the
> people who do so are some of the worst people anywhere. All they do is
> attack and malign and excuse their abuse by claiming to speak for
> morality or
> society or religion while exhibiting none of the wisdom or goodness or
> perspective that being in authority demands. They represent the worst
> and most dishonest in humanity. They are the force that detracts from
> improvement in human condition - the force that keeps people in bad
> situations under the pretense of claiming them of bad character and
> prevents them from using their talents to improve the world and their
> own condition. They are the force that constitutes emotional and
> psychological abuse - that destroys people. They are parasitical.
>
> I don't care what is your personality or psychology. I care if you do
> good. Will enables people of any psychology or personality to do good
> things. Will gives us power to soar above personality and psychology
> and live deliberately rather than in manner that is predetermined by
> the abuser's perception of one's character. As does the grace of God,
> who picked Paul, a killer, to write the New Testament - and who,
> rather than paralyzing him with guilt, spurred him into action. Which
> example of God's workings - picking as his chosen one someone whose
> sins were far worse than those of almost anyone who is being morally
> bludgeoned, in relationships, families or otherwise - can be safely
> invoked by anyone at the receiving end of emotional, psychological and
> moral abuse.
>
> To believe that a personality can be moral or amoral is to commit a
> grave logical error - the error of assigning moral value to
> involuntary
> psychological processes. It is to damn a person based on qualities
> they developed involuntarily in childhood and believe them incapable
> of
> doing good. And that is the most cruel, most sadistic, most dishonest,
> most morally repugnant action one can take - one that ignores the
> reality of will and the reality of what is a human being; one that
> reduces the human being to beastial psychological dynamics and fails
> to see in them the saving grace - the will - that allows people to act
> deliberately and to do good, whatever their psychology and whatever
> their past.
>
> I have known people who were diagnosed as sociopaths or narcissists,
> and I do not find them to be worse than an average person. In some
> respects, I found them better - more exciting, more free, more open-
> minded, more creative. And they are most certainly better people than
> Henry Hyde, Kenneth Starr, Bob Martin or Cujo. Or anyone else engaging
> in prosecution of personality.
>
> I have no interest at all in changing my personality to suit Bob or
> Cujo. The people who claim most loudly to have changed their
> personalities are some of the nastiest people I know, and I consider
> the process a ruse and a trap. I will prove my worth by producing good
> work and doing good things for people who need it. By acting
> deliberately to do good and, using the mechanism of will and conscious
> choice, make my contribution to the world the best possible.
>
> One may ask what is my motives for the preceding. I need no motives.
> I believe in doing good. I believe in making our world the best
> possible. I believe in using one's talents to make life the best,
> unconditionally, and impart unto others some of the grace and the
> privilege and the love that has existed in my life. One may go to
> psychology in one's quest for motives. I respond that my motives
> transcend psychology. They are rooted in deliberate conscious choice
> based on values. In a quality that the human being possesses that is
> not based in Freud or Adler and that makes mankind better than what
> the aforementioned animalistic cretins portrayed it as being,
> deserving
> of better treatment and better fate.
>
> As for Cujo, Bob and the rest of you - you can take it and shove it.
> You aren't good; you are a bunch of bullies who get off on abuse,
> pretending as if the aforementioned immoral indulgence makes you
> moral.
> You have no compassion, no goodness, no love, no perspective, no
> wisdom, no creativity. You do nothing to make our world better. Ed
> Wollmann has more character than do you.
catbrier
> catbrier wrote:
>
> > In all truth Ilya, neither you nor I know anything at all about the
> > people we encounter on-line. Cujo and Bob might be very decent people
> > off-line. We can know nothing of their actual lives unless they choose
> > to inform us.
> > We should never presume that we really know anyone unless we know them
> > in real life.
>
>
> Why would you think you really know someone when you know them in real
> life?
I have some very good, very close, friends. People I've known for
years and interact with all the time. My "circle." Those are the
people I know and trust. How do I know them? We've shared ourselves
(no, not sexually) with each other.
> Also, if Ilya has not actually met Bob, he certainly has met people
> who have met Bob. I met them both, for instance. Well, Ilya I didn't
> actually meet, I just glimpsed him loitering suspiciously with Layo
> about my place of employment. I had never met either of them but I
> recognized them instantly. They are psychic, you know.
I don't know anything about "psychic" anything and am not much
interested either.
> Ilya's interactions with people are not going to have much effect
> on what he thinks of them anyway. In a very real sense he does not
> "interact" at all. He has an admirable detachment from reality.
I'm not sure that is a healthy thing. I think "reality" is quite
beautiful and touching. Nature, observed for its natural wonders, is
more amazing than anything we can imagine out of our fantasies.
Cat
catbrier
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:53:06 -0400, St-Jennifer-of-the-Knife wrote:
>
> <...>
>
> > Well, Ilya I didn't
> > actually meet, I just glimpsed him loitering suspiciously with Layo
> > about my place of employment.
>
>
> <..>
Peter - don't you think it's about time to let go of that whole public
masterbation thing? Seriously! Haven't you ever had sex in a
semi-public location? Many have you know. And getting caught or not
getting caught is merely a matter of luck. He claims he wasn't doing
that. I don't see that it is relevant any more. If he had a history
of that kind of behavior - it would be different.
Do you know what I mean?
Cat
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:8901e207.04081...@posting.google.com:
AUK & A.Fn added.
> Peter J Ross <gad...@NOSPAMmeow.org> wrote in message
> news:<6dfzanv4...@nntp.petitmorte.net>...
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:53:06 -0400, St-Jennifer-of-the-Knife wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>> > Well, Ilya I didn't
>> > actually meet, I just glimpsed him loitering suspiciously with Layo
>> > about my place of employment.
>>
>> Do you work in a library?
>>
>> <..>
>
> Peter - don't you think it's about time to let go of that whole public
> masterbation thing?
Heh! "Let go". "Masturbation". "Peter".
"Hey, Beavis! She said "masturbation"! That was cool."
Request DENIED.
> Seriously! Haven't you ever had sex in a
> semi-public location?
Not with myself. Not in a place where I'd been told repeatedly was
private property and was not welcome. Not to computer porn. Not in front
of people trying to just do their fucking work to become productive
members of society. Not while looking like I just crawled out of a
fucking dumpster or a cardboard box.
But wait! Not only do you get the reasons for Ilya being a freak for this
incident! If you order now you can get his own words and the experiences
of anyone who had anything to do with him.
Not only that, we'll throw in a website complete with kooky ramblings,
plagiarism and nuttery over and above the call of sanity.
Need I go on?
> Many have you know.
This is so wide open for a witty retort that I refuse to use a good line
on it.
> And getting caught or not
> getting caught is merely a matter of luck.
No, it's the whole point of doing it in the open. Duh. Getting tossed in
the slammer by the police for jerking off in front of some lady trying to
study in a private library after being told he had no right there and
told not to return indicates a lot of other things. I'll let you figure
that out yourself. I'm sure a few folks will be more than happy to point
out a few suggestions or even a THWACK or fifty upside your head with a
Cl00-By-Four.
> He claims he wasn't doing that.
He's lying. Duh. The police, judge and everyone else that were there did.
Keep your kooks on a leash next time, lady.
> I don't see that it is relevant any more.
That's your opinion. If that's the case, perhaps you should provide a
refuge so that poor Ilya can go to town on himself where he won't be
bothered by those nasty folks who are trying to study or those fascist
bastards who are paid to ensure a private library isn't open to piss bums
coming in and taking a shit on the reference desk.
> If he had a history
> of that kind of behavior - it would be different.
I hesitate to point out the logical flaws in your argument.
But let it suffice that it's just as valid to argue that jail works for
some public wankers or he simply hasn't gotten caught again.
> Do you know what I mean?
Yes, unfortunately. I would highly recommend that if somehow you have any
progeny that you not consider home schooling. They've already got one
strike against them, and that's not counting whatever chinless knuckle
dragger you rut with to produce the little crumb snatchers.
Here's some more:
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Unlike Edmond Wollmann, Ilya Shambat apparently has plenty of time
for masturbation:
http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/93/159/07_1_m.html
UAPD officers were dispatched to the UA Health Sciences Library,
1501 N. Campbell Ave., Friday evening after a student called
saying that a man was masturbating near the computer terminals,
reports stated.
When officers arrived, they talked with the reporting student
who told police that she observed Ilya Shambat, 24, of a general
delivery address, allegedly masturbating under his shorts while
using a computer.
The witness said Shambat was "going to town" on himself with
his hands down his pants.
She stated that she was studying in the library and just
wanted Shambat to leave.
Police located Shambat, who was using a computer for non-research
purposes, and did not observe evidence that the man had been
masturbating.
Shambat told police that he had a pain in his lower abdomen
and he was massaging the area.
He added that he was looking at poetry and writing to a friend
on the computer.
Officers had previously warned Shambat against trespassing
and this time arrested him for third-degree trespassing.
He was transported to Pima County Jail where he was refused
by Pre-Trial Services and booked.
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And just one more:
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*********************
They Say That Ilya Shambat's Goin' to Town
------------------------------------------
(sung to the tune of "Country Music's Gone to Town")
Oh they say that Ilya Shambat's goin' to town
He's in the stacks now with his shorts yanked down
Well he sure looks like a fool
With both hands upon his tool
Oh they say that Ilya Shambat's goin' to town
One day as I did walk among the shelves at U of A
I chanced upon an old familiar sound
It started as a moan
Then a grunt, and then a groan
I can hear that Ilya Shambat's goin' to town
Oh they say that Ilya Shambat's goin' to town
He'll always be remembered as a clown
He says his stomach hurts
Then he jerks, then he spurts
I can see that Ilya Shambat's goin' to town
They Say That Ilya Shambat's Goin' to Town
------------------------------------------
I'd say SPNAK! but I'd not want to be accused of giving that prvert any
more ideas or urges.
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Pedantus
> makes up or creates a personality with the needed courage to con people?
> This personality he named "Bashar". OR is an artist which can't openly
> admit his art is whimsy, and the "art" itself is the one of fooling
people?
We have some evidence that 'self' awareness is eventually dawning, for
Darryl at least.
http://slate.msn.com/id/56021/
"[..]
What Do You Say to a Naked Alien?
[..]
When aliens do communicate with humans, they're always a bit like the
Michael Rennie alien in the 1951 movie The Day the Earth Stood Still: They
tell us to behave. They say we need to get our act together. They're
self-help gurus. A fellow named Darryl Anka channeled an alien named Bashar
for many years, and Bashar, though wise, didn't really have much data to
offer, just advice on how to live a better life. (Anka, when I last spoke to
him, said he'd given up channeling Bashar and was working on designing a UFO
theme park.)[..]"
Bashar is going to be a straight up, outta-da-closet, almond-eyed huckster
from now on, I guess....:)
What will Ed think to see Bashar taking tickets at his LaLaLand UFO
Amusement Park? Will Ed's faith in Hematite begin to crumble, like so many
empty peanuts shells trod into the mixture sawdust and UFOcreature feces?
Stay tuned as Anka's confession is soon to come, if only as a means to
legitimatize himself in the eyes of loan officers....:)
>
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Pedantus Pontificus
Pete Turk
DeSockpuppet <cu...@petitmorte.net> writes
>> semi-public location?
>
>Not with myself. Not in a place where I'd been told repeatedly was
>private property and was not welcome. Not to computer porn. Not in front
>of people trying to just do their fucking work to become productive
>members of society. Not while looking like I just crawled out of a
>fucking dumpster or a cardboard box.
>
>But wait! Not only do you get the reasons for Ilya being a freak for this
>incident! If you order now you can get his own words and the experiences
>of anyone who had anything to do with him.
>
>Not only that, we'll throw in a website complete with kooky ramblings,
>plagiarism and nuttery over and above the call of sanity.
>
>Need I go on?
No ...
So why did you, Cujo? [go on ... and on ... and on !!! ...]
You're so very much a cultural descendent of the
Puritan prunts that Shakespeare satirised as Malvoglio in
'Twelfth Night', the ones who later styled themselves the
"Pilgrim Fathers".
But then you-all DID give us in England the very thing we
needed the most from you -- your absence.
P.S. Do you still wear wide-brimmed black hats, Cujo? ;)
'They that have pow'r to hurt and will do none,
That do not do the thing they most do show,
Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,
Unmovèd, cold, and to temptation slow;
They rightly do inherit heaven's graces,
And husband nature's riches from expense.
They are the lords and owners of their faces,
Others but stewards of their excellence ... '
-- William Shakespeare 'Sonnet 94'
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Peter J Ross
> Peter J Ross <gad...@NOSPAMmeow.org> wrote in message news:<6dfzanv4...@nntp.petitmorte.net>...
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:53:06 -0400, St-Jennifer-of-the-Knife wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> Well, Ilya I didn't
>>> actually meet, I just glimpsed him loitering suspiciously with Layo
>>> about my place of employment.
>>
>> Do you work in a library?
>>
>> <..>
>
> Peter - don't you think it's about time to let go of that whole public
> masterbation thing?
Not until I stop finding it funny.
> Seriously! Haven't you ever had sex in a
> semi-public location?
Why do you want to know?
> Many have you know. And getting caught or not
> getting caught is merely a matter of luck. He claims he wasn't doing
> that.
Does he? I've asked him politely a couple of times to confirm or deny
the truth of the rumour, and he's failed to respond at all.
> I don't see that it is relevant any more. If he had a history
> of that kind of behavior - it would be different.
As far as I know, Eddy Wollmann has killed only one of his friends
without showing remorse. Should he not be reminded of the fact, on the
grounds that one such lapse is forgivable.
> Do you know what I mean?
I suspect you mean that you don't enjoy poking Scumbat yourself and
therefore think others ought not to. You're welcome to use a killfile.
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Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:iXFQhgAn...@ragtag.demon.co.uk:
> In article <cfg80s$7h7$1...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Cujo
> DeSockpuppet <cu...@petitmorte.net> writes
>>catbr...@yahoo.com (catbrier) wrote in
>>news:8901e207.04081...@posting.google.com:
>>
>>
>>> Seriously! Haven't you ever had sex in a
>>> semi-public location?
>>
>>Not with myself. Not in a place where I'd been told repeatedly was
>>private property and was not welcome. Not to computer porn. Not in
>>front of people trying to just do their fucking work to become
>>productive members of society. Not while looking like I just crawled
>>out of a fucking dumpster or a cardboard box.
>>
>>But wait! Not only do you get the reasons for Ilya being a freak for
>>this incident! If you order now you can get his own words and the
>>experiences of anyone who had anything to do with him.
>>
>>Not only that, we'll throw in a website complete with kooky ramblings,
>>plagiarism and nuttery over and above the call of sanity.
>>
>>Need I go on?
>
> No ...
>
> So why did you, Cujo? [go on ... and on ... and on !!! ...]
Because it was fun, stupid. It apparently sailed over your vestigial
skull that it was a parody of numerous commercials hawking all sorts of
products ranging from the "pocket fisherman" to fruit pulverizers.
> You're so very much a cultural descendent of the
> Puritan prunts that Shakespeare satirised as Malvoglio in
> 'Twelfth Night', the ones who later styled themselves the
> "Pilgrim Fathers".
No, I'm a kookologist with a penchant for slapping kooky fuckers like
Ilya. Don't pretend that it's more than that unless you've got evidence
and qualifications to present.
> But then you-all DID give us in England the very thing we
> needed the most from you -- your absence.
AHA! So you're simply trying to equate me with Puritans of whom I know
relatively little and curiously skipping over some of the more sordid
English history in that regard. Let's dredge up Queen Victoria and fuck
her skull.
Better yet, you might want to mention why "peg boys" were used on British
sailing ships. Look it up sometime.
> P.S. Do you still wear wide-brimmed black hats, Cujo? ;)
It's brown, leather and features crocodile teeth and skin for the
hatband. Thanks for asking, fuckwit.
[screedfest snipped since there was no evidence of fair use, plagiarist]
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David
> you might want to mention why "peg boys" were used on British
> sailing ships.
What's a "peg boy"?
bob
He does have a history of having sex in public.
Olu Dada, Queen of Squirls
> plus...@my-deja.com (Olu Dada, Queen of Squirls) wrote:
> > I haven't met bob, but I saw him brag publicly that I accepted an
> > invitation once! Merely to invite me to coffee is to have sc0red.
>
> So, you are still hurt that I blew you off, eh lie-oh?
Ooh, the gloves come off.
> I hardly looked
> at it as scoring. As I recall, you went on and on about how great
> Gwenneth and I would be together.
Weird. Well, I didn't have her with me. Actually I still agree with
that opinion, so good for me.
> I blew you off because I didn't
> think the drive to meet you would be worth the time and effort.
Hey it was your idea man.
> I suppose being somewhat asocial had a lot to do with me not
> bothering. The thought of meeting several new people at once pretty
> much freaked me out back then. I'm a bit more relaxed in social
> settings now but I'm always relieved when it's time to stop forcing
> myself to pay attention to others.
Yeah, I was kind of dreading the whole thing too. I think the last
angstcon was quite enough of whatever that little exercise is supposed
to accomplish.
You are a strange person. Why do you have an opinion about me, other
than twitchy, bored hysteria?
> The wrong idea about you? How could anyone think that you are
> something other than needy, narcisstic [overused!!!], nasty, and ... I
> can't think of another n-word. Maybe some coffee would help. How about
> a two word phrase that includes nefariously? Naughty? That won't do.
> Niggling? It doesn't seem to flow. Nutjob? No, you are too
> controlling. Necrotic would be good if I could figure out a good place
> to insert it.
Neonatal, nitrous, oh oh, how about nettle? Negative Nancy . . . got
it! net.whore.
The nefarious necrotic net.whore niggles toward her next nvictim (had
to cheat)
Maybe you should try a different letter. You were right about
controlling. I am a soul-strangling spider woman.
> Help me out here Layo. You are much better at this than I am.
Well you are a bad man, a pedophile, a drug-pusher, and a Nazi. Free
speach.
Oh another good one.
> > > They are psychic, you know.
> >
> > I sense that you loooooove me.
>
> I sense your feelings are hurt.
I sense that would get you off. Also that you are dicksizing with a
girl, which is very strange. And that you have tender, protective
feelings toward Jennifer, and that you have always wanted to nail me
and are bummed that now I'm, like, fat and boring. Hot! I think we
should meet.
> How often are you in a good mood?
Are you accusing me of being ill-humored? I find that offensive.
L
bob looooooves layo
bob
>St-Jennifer-of-the-Knife <mli...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4118EF62...@hotmail.com>...
>> catbrier wrote:
>>
>> > In all truth Ilya, neither you nor I know anything at all about the
>> > people we encounter on-line. Cujo and Bob might be very decent people
>> > off-line. We can know nothing of their actual lives unless they choose
>> > to inform us.
>> > We should never presume that we really know anyone unless we know them
>> > in real life.
>>
>>
>> Why would you think you really know someone when you know them in real
>> life?
>
>I have some very good, very close, friends. People I've known for
>years and interact with all the time. My "circle." Those are the
>people I know and trust. How do I know them? We've shared ourselves
>(no, not sexually) with each other.
I used to like to do the woe story thing but i got tired of people
praying for me! I prefer fishing with or without others. It doesn't
matter if I catch anything. I like to fish.
>> Also, if Ilya has not actually met Bob, he certainly has met people
>> who have met Bob. I met them both, for instance. Well, Ilya I didn't
>> actually meet, I just glimpsed him loitering suspiciously with Layo
>> about my place of employment. I had never met either of them but I
>> recognized them instantly. They are psychic, you know.
>
>I don't know anything about "psychic" anything and am not much
>interested either.
Yes.
>> Ilya's interactions with people are not going to have much effect
>> on what he thinks of them anyway. In a very real sense he does not
>> "interact" at all. He has an admirable detachment from reality.
>
>I'm not sure that is a healthy thing. I think "reality" is quite
>beautiful and touching. Nature, observed for its natural wonders, is
>more amazing than anything we can imagine out of our fantasies.
We'll be getting a touch of nature here soon. We live in the path
(current prediction) of what may be a Class 3 hurricane when it meets
the coast. We are well above flood stage but 120+ mph winds ...
and, if the eye passes through Tampa Bay, the 14 foot storm surge will
probably take out at least one of the causeways, several of our
acquaintances will lose their homes, and the house we are trying to
sell may get trashed (this would be a good thing).
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org:
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote:
>
>
>> you might want to mention why "peg boys" were used on British
>> sailing ships.
>
> What's a "peg boy"?
It seems British sailing scum used to take along young boys on long
voyages for purposes of sex.
Here's one description I found that I don't want to improve upon:
"Peg boy was a position in Her Majesty's Navy: He was the boy available
for the after-hours pleasure of the sailors on those long nights at sea.
To keep loose for his hard nights' work, he would sit on a peg during the
day."
You might find references to it being a practice of pirates too. It seems
that a fair number of pirates were actually countenanced as a sort of
unofficial navy by the British back then. I don't care to go into the
rest of this research but you can feel free to check into this more if
you like.
It's pretty shameless, even by the "standards" of Kentucky.
Aincha glad you asked?
It gives a "hole" new meaning to PKB. Pegboi, K-Y, Buttfucking, perhaps?
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
"Complaints will continue into infinity-and increase." - Edmo not
quite grasping the concept of infinity.
Edmond Wollmann
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote of Ed Wollman:
> [...]
> > Take Edmo's advice and you too can be a complete and utter loon!
> You think that would work for ME too?
> [...]
> > That's funny, you've won 39 different kook awards and someone is
> > supposed to take you seriously?
> You recommend Ed Wollman's k00k credentials. But how is he as a guru?
Cujo is one of the few real KOOKs with severe problems that posts--er
disrupts usenet.
And self-empowerment does not allow for Gurus or following.
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/essays_2.htm#how
> Aspiringly,
> TheDavid
> P.S. I wanna be in a FAQ! Maybe in the Jargon File!
The KOOKs like Cujo harass people for different reasons. They think
they might bother you, or affect you or--just somehow they try to get
your attention because it fulfills their meaningless lives in SOME
smal way. When you defeat them, they say it's "just for fun", they do
everything in their power to deny their own misery and failure and
that THEY are in the wrong.
This is because they are extremely powerless and have little
constructive to do with their own lives.
I disagree with posters who say usenet is OK to harass, defame and
pester people on because it's "just usenet". This is ludicrous. There
is no difference between usenet and a telephone, or usenet and an in
person meeting with someone at say, a cafe for a discussion, or
speaking to someone in any other face to face encounter.
You CERTAINLY would not start calling the person you just met for
conversation a KOOK, killer, fraud, freak and all other manner of
impolite and frakly childish and unproductive things and run to the
store next to it and start screaming the same shit there--no one would
stand for it... and then say "Oh it's ok, it's just a cafe, don't take
it so seriously. What's wrong with you?
This is just EXCUSE and bullshit. And how these people like Cujo treat
people on usenet, (despite what the other poster says) tells us REAMS
about them, their level of maturity and integrity, intelligence and
many other things--all negative. And the only reason they think they
can get away with it is because they hide behind names and fake ISPs.
That in ITSELF speaks to the lack of integrity.
It is NEGATIVE no matter how you slice it folks. Wasting a fantastic
medium like usenet on name calling and harassment is almost as bad as
what Bush has done to the concept of democracy. And I am still in
dismay that ISPs are only driven by monetary concerns and allow these
assholes to destroy the medium.
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses
both."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890-1969), Inaugural Address, January 20,
1953
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:35325a08.04081...@posting.google.com:
> David <thed...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
> news:<Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org>...
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote of Ed Wollman:
>> [...]
>
>> > Take Edmo's advice and you too can be a complete and utter loon!
>
>> You think that would work for ME too?
>
>> [...]
>> > That's funny, you've won 39 different kook awards and someone is
>> > supposed to take you seriously?
>
>> You recommend Ed Wollman's k00k credentials. But how is he as a guru?
>
> Cujo is one of the few real KOOKs with severe problems that posts--er
> disrupts usenet.
Cujo (me!) is one of the people who called your bluff and waited at PF
Chang's for you to show up with the police escort you promised. That you
see it as a disruption is funny, you claimed you were unaffected by it
all. Of course since you were also claiming to be filing lawsuits and
trying to get me fired at the same time it sort of comes off that you're
fucking lying again.
> And self-empowerment does not allow for Gurus or following.
>
> http://www.smbtech.com/ed <-De-Kookified!!!!1!!!!
Indeed not, kook!
>> P.S. I wanna be in a FAQ! Maybe in the Jargon File!
>
> The KOOKs like Cujo harass people for different reasons. They think
> they might bother you, or affect you or--just somehow they try to get
> your attention because it fulfills their meaningless lives in SOME
> small way.
I'm still waiting for you to affect me with a lawsuit. BTW, you claimed
I hacked Amazon to do malicious harm to your book reviews, claimed I was
at least 5 or 6 other people and even sent off complaints to numerous
ISP's that had nothing to do with me. I'm glad you're so unaffected,
Eddieeeee.
> When you defeat them, they say it's "just for fun",
Since you have never defeated anyone, that's basically another lie,
Pantyhead.
> they do everything in their power to deny their own misery and failure
> and that THEY are in the wrong.
Edmo, that's you right to a "T".
> This is because they are extremely
> powerless and have little constructive to do with their own lives.
Let's not confuse smacking you around for a little fun at your expense
any kind of panacea for a lack of power. You're just a defenseless
punching bag, no real challenge, but still a nice workout.
> I disagree with posters who say usenet is OK to harass, defame and
> pester people on because it's "just usenet".
That's why you're known as a laughingstock of Usenet, kook. You try to
do just that and end up either losing another account, your temper or
the argument.
> This is ludicrous. There
> is no difference between usenet and a telephone, or usenet and an in
> person meeting with someone at say, a cafe for a discussion, or
> speaking to someone in any other face to face encounter.
Sure there is! You punked out of meeeting myself and Nymmie less than a
mile away even after you claimed you were bringing a police escort. You
haven't got the guts to lie to my face, but you'll gladly try it on
Usenet. That you fail every time is more the fault of yourself than
anything else.
How is your castle, observatory, airstrip, magazine and new book going,
Edmo?
> You CERTAINLY would not start calling the person you just met for
> conversation a KOOK, killer, fraud, freak and all other manner of
> impolite and frakly childish and unproductive things and run to the
> store next to it and start screaming the same shit there--no one would
> stand for it... and then say "Oh it's ok, it's just a cafe, don't take
> it so seriously. What's wrong with you?
No, I'd probably smack you silly the second you tried anything stupid
since you've already made physical threats to me. Unlike you, I do my
own dirty work, you fucking coward.
> This is just EXCUSE and bullshit. And how these people like Cujo treat
> people on usenet, (despite what the other poster says) tells us REAMS
> about them, their level of maturity and integrity, intelligence and
> many other things--all negative. And the only reason they think they
> can get away with it is because they hide behind names and fake ISPs.
I'm posting from an NSP, my nom de plume isn't my real name and you
already know my real name, scumbag. Stop whining and DYOFDW. File that
lawsuit against me like you said you were going to do four years ago,
Eddieeeeeeeee!
> That in ITSELF speaks to the lack of integrity.
I keep my word, kook. You don't. You also promised to throw me in jail by
a citizens arrest and do it "by force, if necessary". Since I only lived
a few miles from you on Calle Neil in San Diego, I was expecting to see
you and never did for some reason. I was listed in the telephone book
with my full address and you even listed it on your pages of hate that
you are too much of a pussy to put up anymore.
> It is NEGATIVE no matter how you slice it folks. Wasting a fantastic
> medium like usenet on name calling and harassment is almost as bad as
> what Bush has done to the concept of democracy. And I am still in
> dismay that ISPs are only driven by monetary concerns and allow these
> assholes to destroy the medium.
If it's such a moneymaker, you might want to explain why you haven't
started one up. You sure aren't doing very well in your other pursuits
other than mooching off relatives.
The neat thing aboiut Usenet is that you can always start your own
group, you can even moderate it.
OOPS! You tried that a few times and FAILED!
Ed, all I'm hearing out of you is more whines from a sore loser. You
ought to be used to losing by now with all the practice you've gotten.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow.
"I am an authority, and I do not force my views on others like you do."
- Edmo, after citing his crappy website as an authority, shows how much
sleep he got in Logic 101.
David
[...]
> Tell us all again about your "Psychological based Counseling" business
> and all those PhD's you claim to counsel, all without either state
> license or and professional qualification [...]
> And I still think you are not a properly qualified or licensed to
> counsel anyone. I think you are a quack.
But strictly speaking, if he's not claiming to be a Psychologist per se,
he's committed no fraud. "Psychologically-based" just means that what you
can expect from him resembles psychology more than it would architecture.
That is, so long as he's not claiming to be a Licensed Professional when
he's not, who cares what you think of what he does: it's legal.
As for anybody's quackery, you DO realize that those weirdos that tricked
people into blaming everything on "repressed memories" of "satanic ritual
abuse" *were* in the vast majority of cases fully licensed and accredited
to practice "meantal-health counselling" in their states, don't you? SO,
being "properly qualified or licensed" is no guarantee that the person is
NOT a total quack.
Not that I'm defending Wollman, I've really got no idea who he is or what
he does; I'm just pointing out that TheDavidism is a *spiritually*-based
Lifestyle-Amendment Movement which needs no "Establishment" licensure --
and which is free of charge (though donations of real estate are welcome).
Ta,
Da.
bob
of Squirls) wrote:
>than...@coldmail.nu (bob) wrote in message news:<a9962032.0408...@posting.google.com>...
>> plus...@my-deja.com (Olu Dada, Queen of Squirls) wrote:
>
>> > I haven't met bob, but I saw him brag publicly that I accepted an
>> > invitation once! Merely to invite me to coffee is to have sc0red.
>>
>> So, you are still hurt that I blew you off, eh lie-oh?
>
>Ooh, the gloves come off.
I'm mean and nasty. Grrr!!!
>
>> I hardly looked
>> at it as scoring. As I recall, you went on and on about how great
>> Gwenneth and I would be together.
>
>Weird. Well, I didn't have her with me. Actually I still agree with
>that opinion, so good for me.
I get along well with her but we found that we would never be able to
share space for more than a couple of days.
>
>> I blew you off because I didn't
>> think the drive to meet you would be worth the time and effort.
>
>Hey it was your idea man.
Really? I don't recall. I was drinking a lot back then.
>> I suppose being somewhat asocial had a lot to do with me not
>> bothering. The thought of meeting several new people at once pretty
>> much freaked me out back then. I'm a bit more relaxed in social
>> settings now but I'm always relieved when it's time to stop forcing
>> myself to pay attention to others.
>
>Yeah, I was kind of dreading the whole thing too. I think the last
>angstcon was quite enough of whatever that little exercise is supposed
>to accomplish.
People don't seem to do that sort of thing anymore.
>You are a strange person. Why do you have an opinion about me, other
>than twitchy, bored hysteria?
You are hot and I want you?
>> The wrong idea about you? How could anyone think that you are
>> something other than needy, narcisstic [overused!!!], nasty, and ... I
>> can't think of another n-word. Maybe some coffee would help. How about
>> a two word phrase that includes nefariously? Naughty? That won't do.
>> Niggling? It doesn't seem to flow. Nutjob? No, you are too
>> controlling. Necrotic would be good if I could figure out a good place
>> to insert it.
>
>Neonatal, nitrous, oh oh, how about nettle? Negative Nancy . . . got
>it! net.whore.
Stop trying to seduce me.
>The nefarious necrotic net.whore niggles toward her next nvictim (had
>to cheat)
heh
>Maybe you should try a different letter. You were right about
>controlling. I am a soul-strangling spider woman.
I don't have a soul.
>> Help me out here Layo. You are much better at this than I am.
>
>Well you are a bad man, a pedophile, a drug-pusher, and a Nazi. Free
>speach.
Are you going to sue me?
>Oh another good one.
>
>> > > They are psychic, you know.
>> >
>> > I sense that you loooooove me.
>>
>> I sense your feelings are hurt.
>
>I sense that would get you off.
I sort of melt if my behavior makes someone cry.
>Also that you are dicksizing with a girl, which is very strange.
So many response options, so little ability to concentrate this
morning.
>And that you have tender, protective
>feelings toward Jennifer, and that you have always wanted to nail me
>and are bummed that now I'm, like, fat and boring.
I have tender, protective feelings towards you also. Sorry.
>Hot! I think we should meet.
heh
>> How often are you in a good mood?
>
>Are you accusing me of being ill-humored? I find that offensive.
Do you eat like liver?
>L
>bob looooooves layo
Nope. I just want to fuck you for a day or two. Tomorrow my mood may
change.
catbrier
> On 12 Aug 2004 09:16:55 -0700, catbr...@yahoo.com (catbrier) wrote:
>
> >St-Jennifer-of-the-Knife <mli...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4118EF62...@hotmail.com>...
> >> catbrier wrote:
> >>
> >> > In all truth Ilya, neither you nor I know anything at all about the
> >> > people we encounter on-line. Cujo and Bob might be very decent people
> >> > off-line. We can know nothing of their actual lives unless they choose
> >> > to inform us.
> >> > We should never presume that we really know anyone unless we know them
> >> > in real life.
> >>
> >>
> >> Why would you think you really know someone when you know them in real
> >> life?
> >
> >I have some very good, very close, friends. People I've known for
> >years and interact with all the time. My "circle." Those are the
> >people I know and trust. How do I know them? We've shared ourselves
> >(no, not sexually) with each other.
>
> I used to like to do the woe story thing but i got tired of people
> praying for me! I prefer fishing with or without others. It doesn't
> matter if I catch anything. I like to fish.
My friends don't do the "I'll pray for you" routine. But they have
given me a shoulder to cry on when I've needed it. My boyfriend is a
fanatical fishman. I go with him.
> >I don't know anything about "psychic" anything and am not much
> >interested either.
>
> Yes.
It's all rather silly.
> >> Ilya's interactions with people are not going to have much effect
> >> on what he thinks of them anyway. In a very real sense he does not
> >> "interact" at all. He has an admirable detachment from reality.
> >
> >I'm not sure that is a healthy thing. I think "reality" is quite
> >beautiful and touching. Nature, observed for its natural wonders, is
> >more amazing than anything we can imagine out of our fantasies.
>
> We'll be getting a touch of nature here soon. We live in the path
> (current prediction) of what may be a Class 3 hurricane when it meets
> the coast. We are well above flood stage but 120+ mph winds ...
Yes, I saw that on CNN. Oh well...that's a good reason NOT to live in
Florida.
> and, if the eye passes through Tampa Bay, the 14 foot storm surge will
> probably take out at least one of the causeways, several of our
> acquaintances will lose their homes, and the house we are trying to
> sell may get trashed (this would be a good thing).
I live in the mountains. We get snow. Old people leave here to move
there to avoid the snow. I think I prefer the snow.
Cat
Dan Baldwin
>
> David <thed...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.58.04...@troll.weezl.org>...
> > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote of Ed Wollman:
> > [...]
>
> > > Take Edmo's advice and you too can be a complete and utter loon!
>
> > You think that would work for ME too?
>
> > [...]
> > > That's funny, you've won 39 different kook awards and someone is
> > > supposed to take you seriously?
>
> > You recommend Ed Wollman's k00k credentials. But how is he as a guru?
>
> Cujo is one of the
you are on a regular basis. He's also one of the almost countless
numbers of your detractors whom you've been unable to get ToSed (because
there are no grounds) and against whom you will never take any legal
action (because you're a bilious coward without a leg to stand on).
Have you "accidentally" sent any posts to groups you flounced out of
recently, PantiHead?
--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
I am a minion of Satan, but my powers are mainly administrative.
Hail the un-alive
Bodhisattvacat
> drr0...@yahoo.com (Bodhisattvacat) wrote in message news:<4f2532f6.0408...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a good person. All I need in
> > order to do good is achieve my best and help people whenever possible.
>
> accept the beliefs and arguments presented. People can only prove
> things to themselves and to their own satisfaction. We are not
> responsible FOR others only to them by being all we can be in
> integrity. Because each individual creates their OWN reality.
>
> > Which is a much better use of my time, and something far more
>
> interfereing.
>
> > constructive, than proving my worth before prosecutorial dimwits, who
> > get all the more vicious the more you try to please them and for whom
> > nothing is ever enough.
>
> give your consent it is because you believe they MIGHT have the power
> to thwart you or to establish a definition which you know is not true
> for you. If it is NOT true for you, then acting like it says more than
> "proving things" to others.
>
> > It is also a far better use of time, and something far more
> > constructive and morally tenable, than being an aforementioned
> > prosecutorial dimwit. A Bill Gates or a Bill Clinton, both of whose
> > personalities were self-righteously reviled by American people, have
> > done far more for humanity than any of the above, whether their names
> > be Kenneth Starr, Scott Lasch, Pat Buchanan, Henry Hyde, Cujo or Bob
> > Martin. The prosecution of personality is a control game - and the
> > people who do so are some of the worst people anywhere. All they do is
> > attack and malign and excuse their abuse by claiming to speak for
> > morality or
>
> and Bush have become. They take the lowest common denominator (like
> the spinics) and know that there are enough idiots who will buy the
> garbage they spin. Only by not buying into the dumbing down, can
> America ever rise up from the petty control freaks. If you noticed,
> the spinics here used the same tactics the abusers at Abu Grahaib did
> to abuse the prisoners, such as "panty-head" tactics and other
> attempts to demean those they abuse. But I spoke of this years ago and
> no one listened:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=abuse+native+americans%2BEdmond+Wollmann&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=36585571.251E%40worldnet.att.net&rnum=3
>
> It is the same tactic used against the Native Americans to steal this
> land from them. It is the same rationale that allowed the US to be THE
> ONLY NATION ON THE PLANET THAT ACTUALLY _USED_ WEAPONS OF MASS
> DESTRUCTION, when we bombed Hiroshima.
>
> > society or religion while exhibiting none of the wisdom or goodness or
> > perspective that being in authority demands. They represent the worst
>
> alt.astrology, instead of the participants taking RESPONSIBILITY for
> their group and FORCING the spinics out, they ran away taking the line
> of least resistance and create a moderated group where they hide. By
> the same token, people must VOTE if they want to excersise their
> power--but they don't. In psychology this is called "diffusion of
> responsibility".
>
> > and most dishonest in humanity. They are the force that detracts from
> > improvement in human condition - the force that keeps people in bad
>
> necessary for negativity to flourish is for others to sit idly by.
>
> > situations under the pretense of claiming them of bad character and
> > prevents them from using their talents to improve the world and their
> > own condition. They are the force that constitutes emotional and
> > psychological abuse - that destroys people. They are parasitical.
>
> hopeless and in ruin, and they can't stand to see others suceed who
> DON'T believe theirs is, hence they try to take others down the tubes
> with them.
>
> > I don't care what is your personality or psychology. I care if you do
> > good. Will enables people of any psychology or personality to do good
>
> Bush's "axis of evil" bullshit. The only axis of evil is between Bush
> and Cheney.
>
> > things. Will gives us power to soar above personality and psychology
> > and live deliberately rather than in manner that is predetermined by
> > the abuser's perception of one's character. As does the grace of God,
> > who picked Paul, a killer, to write the New Testament - and who,
> > rather than paralyzing him with guilt, spurred him into action. Which
> > example of God's workings - picking as his chosen one someone whose
>
>
> > sins were far worse than those of almost anyone who is being morally
> > bludgeoned, in relationships, families or otherwise - can be safely
> > invoked by anyone at the receiving end of emotional, psychological and
> > moral abuse.
>
> control you, because you have too many subjective value judgments as
> arguments.
>
> > To believe that a personality can be moral or amoral is to commit a
> > grave logical error - the error of assigning moral value to
> > involuntary
> > psychological processes. It is to damn a person based on qualities
> > they developed involuntarily in childhood and believe them incapable
> > of
>
> and introspection. You contradict yourself here and say that will
> overcomes, but then say we are helpless because of "involuntary
> development."
>
> > doing good. And that is the most cruel, most sadistic, most dishonest,
> > most morally repugnant action one can take - one that ignores the
> > reality of will and the reality of what is a human being; one that
> > reduces the human being to beastial psychological dynamics and fails
> > to see in them the saving grace - the will - that allows people to act
> > deliberately and to do good, whatever their psychology and whatever
> > their past.
>
> and having anything you wish--as long as you maintain integrity--then
> there is no force in the universe that can affect you in a negative
> way. You will trust.
>
> > I have known people who were diagnosed as sociopaths or narcissists,
> > and I do not find them to be worse than an average person. In some
> > respects, I found them better - more exciting, more free, more open-
> > minded, more creative. And they are most certainly better people than
> > Henry Hyde, Kenneth Starr, Bob Martin or Cujo. Or anyone else engaging
> > in prosecution of personality.
>
> > I have no interest at all in changing my personality to suit Bob or
> > Cujo. The people who claim most loudly to have changed their
> > personalities are some of the nastiest people I know, and I consider
> > the process a ruse and a trap. I will prove my worth by producing good
> > work and doing good things for people who need it. By acting
> > deliberately to do good and, using the mechanism of will and conscious
> > choice, make my contribution to the world the best possible.
>
>
> > One may ask what is my motives for the preceding. I need no motives.
> > I believe in doing good. I believe in making our world the best
> > possible. I believe in using one's talents to make life the best,
> > unconditionally, and impart unto others some of the grace and the
> > privilege and the love that has existed in my life. One may go to
> > psychology in one's quest for motives. I respond that my motives
> > transcend psychology. They are rooted in deliberate conscious choice
> > based on values. In a quality that the human being possesses that is
> > not based in Freud or Adler and that makes mankind better than what
> > the aforementioned animalistic cretins portrayed it as being,
> > deserving
> > of better treatment and better fate.
>
> > As for Cujo, Bob and the rest of you - you can take it and shove it.
> > You aren't good; you are a bunch of bullies who get off on abuse,
> > pretending as if the aforementioned immoral indulgence makes you
> > moral.
> > You have no compassion, no goodness, no love, no perspective, no
> > wisdom, no creativity. You do nothing to make our world better. Ed
> > Wollmann has more character than do you.
>
> of character doesn't take much. Anyone who spends day in and day out
> for 8 years trying to make a "panty-head" out of a person with depth
> of character and talent they themselves do not (nor obviously will
> ever for the exact same reasons) possess, is surely psychologically
> unbalanced at the least, and severely in need of counsel and guidance.
> In my life, I compare myself to those who have accomplished much more
> than I to guide ME, and seek to learn from them just what I am capable
> of doing should I overcome my own inertia and lack of insight. Because
> I have strong self-worth (Sun ruling one in 10 sextile Jupiter/Uranus
> in 12 in Cancer--the inner self). This is the exact opposite of those
> who have no self-worth, who revel in comparing themselves to others
> severely riddled with shortcomings or unfortunate events that don't
> really speak of their abilities, or to continually try to point to
> others missteps along the way to their accomplishments, because this
> gives them an artificial status they will never have when compared to
> those who focus on light instead of domination and destruction.
Well Ed, I give you this much. At least you recognize now that where
the world is at right now is a result of many people's influences,
including Bush and Cheney, and not something that you have thought up
by yourself. That is a beginning of conversation.
bob
>bob <than...@coldmail.nu> wrote in message news:<f7unh0lm55kijpe8q...@4ax.com>...
>> On 12 Aug 2004 09:16:55 -0700, catbr...@yahoo.com (catbrier) wrote:
>>
>> >St-Jennifer-of-the-Knife <mli...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4118EF62...@hotmail.com>...
>> >> catbrier wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In all truth Ilya, neither you nor I know anything at all about the
>> >> > people we encounter on-line. Cujo and Bob might be very decent people
>> >> > off-line. We can know nothing of their actual lives unless they choose
>> >> > to inform us.
>> >> > We should never presume that we really know anyone unless we know them
>> >> > in real life.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Why would you think you really know someone when you know them in real
>> >> life?
>> >
>> >I have some very good, very close, friends. People I've known for
>> >years and interact with all the time. My "circle." Those are the
>> >people I know and trust. How do I know them? We've shared ourselves
>> >(no, not sexually) with each other.
>>
>> I used to like to do the woe story thing but i got tired of people
>> praying for me! I prefer fishing with or without others. It doesn't
>> matter if I catch anything. I like to fish.
>
>My friends don't do the "I'll pray for you" routine. But they have
>given me a shoulder to cry on when I've needed it. My boyfriend is a
>fanatical fishman. I go with him.
I've started to fish again recently. I haven't caught anything but I
enjoy myself. I usually fish on the pier here:
http://www.pinellascounty.org/park/05_Ft_DeSoto.htm
We fish off the smaller pier in the background. Scroll down to the
Pier 1 link. We put our umbrella up on the line between the camera and
the beach. They sell really good cheeseburgers on the pier.
>> >I'm not sure that is a healthy thing. I think "reality" is quite
>> >beautiful and touching. Nature, observed for its natural wonders, is
>> >more amazing than anything we can imagine out of our fantasies.
>>
>> We'll be getting a touch of nature here soon. We live in the path
>> (current prediction) of what may be a Class 3 hurricane when it meets
>> the coast. We are well above flood stage but 120+ mph winds ...
>
>Yes, I saw that on CNN. Oh well...that's a good reason NOT to live in
>Florida.
The storm isn't going to hit Tampa. It's been 80 years since a major
hurricane hit Tampa Bay. I've lived in Tampa, Albany NY, Atlanta, NH
just north of Boston, NYC, Montreal, San Jose, and rural northern NY.
The Tampa Bay region is better than any of the other places I've live
as far as I'm concerned. Montreal is a great place to visit and I'd
really like to have an apartment there. If I could afford it I'd have
a place in midtown (a bit to the south and east of central park
appeals to me) also. Boston is fun also but Tampa beats all the places
I mentioned if viewed as a year round residence.
>
>> and, if the eye passes through Tampa Bay, the 14 foot storm surge will
>> probably take out at least one of the causeways, several of our
>> acquaintances will lose their homes, and the house we are trying to
>> sell may get trashed (this would be a good thing).
>
>I live in the mountains. We get snow. Old people leave here to move
>there to avoid the snow. I think I prefer the snow.
I still stand behind my previous words but I have to admit that I got
nostalgic when I read "I live in the mountains".
I'm a north-country country-boy at heart and that'll never change.
bob
>
>Well Ed, I give you this much. At least you recognize now that where
>the world is at right now is a result of many people's influences,
>including Bush and Cheney, and not something that you have thought up
>by yourself. That is a beginning of conversation.
I don't recall giving you permission to post.
bob
- shut the fuck up wankboi
catbrier
> On 13 Aug 2004 09:09:09 -0700, catbr...@yahoo.com (catbrier) wrote:
> >My friends don't do the "I'll pray for you" routine. But they have
> >given me a shoulder to cry on when I've needed it. My boyfriend is a
> >fanatical fishman. I go with him.
>
> I've started to fish again recently. I haven't caught anything but I
> enjoy myself. I usually fish on the pier here:
>
> http://www.pinellascounty.org/park/05_Ft_DeSoto.htm
My boyfriend (SO? Lover? Ummmm...you know....) Does flyfishing and
spinners, etc., mostly for trout and bass. He has a boat. Nothing
fancy. And, of course, all the men I grew up around hunted and fished.
I have no trouble gutting and cleaning fish - but I don't let anyone I
work with know that. It would ruin my rep as a prissy ice queen.
> We fish off the smaller pier in the background. Scroll down to the
> Pier 1 link. We put our umbrella up on the line between the camera and
> the beach. They sell really good cheeseburgers on the pier.
When no one is looking, I sneak a hot dog or burger. (Never fries!
Eeuuwww!)
> >> >I'm not sure that is a healthy thing. I think "reality" is quite
> >> >beautiful and touching. Nature, observed for its natural wonders, is
> >> >more amazing than anything we can imagine out of our fantasies.
> >>
> >> We'll be getting a touch of nature here soon. We live in the path
> >> (current prediction) of what may be a Class 3 hurricane when it meets
> >> the coast. We are well above flood stage but 120+ mph winds ...
> >
> >Yes, I saw that on CNN. Oh well...that's a good reason NOT to live in
> >Florida.
>
> The storm isn't going to hit Tampa. It's been 80 years since a major
> hurricane hit Tampa Bay. I've lived in Tampa, Albany NY, Atlanta, NH
> just north of Boston, NYC, Montreal, San Jose, and rural northern NY.
> The Tampa Bay region is better than any of the other places I've live
> as far as I'm concerned. Montreal is a great place to visit and I'd
> really like to have an apartment there. If I could afford it I'd have
> a place in midtown (a bit to the south and east of central park
> appeals to me) also. Boston is fun also but Tampa beats all the places
> I mentioned if viewed as a year round residence.
I like Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Washington State, Utah, Northern Nevada
and NORTHERN California, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wyoming. I can't
envision living out of that zone.
> >> and, if the eye passes through Tampa Bay, the 14 foot storm surge will
> >> probably take out at least one of the causeways, several of our
> >> acquaintances will lose their homes, and the house we are trying to
> >> sell may get trashed (this would be a good thing).
> >
> >I live in the mountains. We get snow. Old people leave here to move
> >there to avoid the snow. I think I prefer the snow.
>
> I still stand behind my previous words but I have to admit that I got
> nostalgic when I read "I live in the mountains".
I spent a week in a cabin in Vermont. That was lovely.
> I'm a north-country country-boy at heart and that'll never change.
I've visited all over - Europe, the Caribbean, and a little of Canada,
Mexico. I want to see more of Canada and my BF wants to go salmon
fishing in Alaska.
But there is something magical about where I live. It's very "clean"
and quiet. And I'm still fairly close to a nice town.
Cat
bob
>bob <than...@coldmail.nu> wrote in message news:<hv5qh09ttqi4fkq97...@4ax.com>...
>> On 13 Aug 2004 09:09:09 -0700, catbr...@yahoo.com (catbrier) wrote:
>
>> >My friends don't do the "I'll pray for you" routine. But they have
>> >given me a shoulder to cry on when I've needed it. My boyfriend is a
>> >fanatical fishman. I go with him.
>>
>> I've started to fish again recently. I haven't caught anything but I
>> enjoy myself. I usually fish on the pier here:
>>
>> http://www.pinellascounty.org/park/05_Ft_DeSoto.htm
>
>My boyfriend (SO? Lover? Ummmm...you know....) Does flyfishing and
>spinners, etc., mostly for trout and bass. He has a boat. Nothing
>fancy. And, of course, all the men I grew up around hunted and fished.
>I have no trouble gutting and cleaning fish - but I don't let anyone I
>work with know that. It would ruin my rep as a prissy ice queen.
I grew up near the St. Lawrence river in Northern NY. We had a fishing
boat and a skiing boat. My grandfather had a place on a lake near his
house in the adirondacks (near Lake Placid, NY). I've spent a lot of
time fishing but I've never tried fly fishing. A guy I work with on
projects a lot (he works at my company's parent company) is going to
take me fly fishing when I visit. A nephew and niece of mine (I have
several of these and a couple of them have kids of their own) tie
flies and sell them. They also sell placards with pictures of the fish
that can be found in the region.
Here's a strange one: tourists from the UK travel to the St. Lawrence
river to fish carp.
>> We fish off the smaller pier in the background. Scroll down to the
>> Pier 1 link. We put our umbrella up on the line between the camera and
>> the beach. They sell really good cheeseburgers on the pier.
>
>When no one is looking, I sneak a hot dog or burger. (Never fries!
>Eeuuwww!)
Hmm, it'd probably be best if I didn't mention how much I enjoy
dipping fries in blue cheese or mayonnaise. I don't do this often
because I don't have fast food often but I admit to the practice.
>> >> >I'm not sure that is a healthy thing. I think "reality" is quite
>> >> >beautiful and touching. Nature, observed for its natural wonders, is
>> >> >more amazing than anything we can imagine out of our fantasies.
>> >>
>> >> We'll be getting a touch of nature here soon. We live in the path
>> >> (current prediction) of what may be a Class 3 hurricane when it meets
>> >> the coast. We are well above flood stage but 120+ mph winds ...
>> >
>> >Yes, I saw that on CNN. Oh well...that's a good reason NOT to live in
>> >Florida.
>>
>> The storm isn't going to hit Tampa. It's been 80 years since a major
>> hurricane hit Tampa Bay. I've lived in Tampa, Albany NY, Atlanta, NH
>> just north of Boston, NYC, Montreal, San Jose, and rural northern NY.
>> The Tampa Bay region is better than any of the other places I've live
>> as far as I'm concerned. Montreal is a great place to visit and I'd
>> really like to have an apartment there. If I could afford it I'd have
>> a place in midtown (a bit to the south and east of central park
>> appeals to me) also. Boston is fun also but Tampa beats all the places
>> I mentioned if viewed as a year round residence.
>
>I like Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Washington State, Utah, Northern Nevada
>and NORTHERN California, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wyoming. I can't
>envision living out of that zone.
I've seen some of those areas.Wide open space. Lots of natural beauty.
I think I needed to move here to sort of bake out my system.
>> >> and, if the eye passes through Tampa Bay, the 14 foot storm surge will
>> >> probably take out at least one of the causeways, several of our
>> >> acquaintances will lose their homes, and the house we are trying to
>> >> sell may get trashed (this would be a good thing).
>> >
>> >I live in the mountains. We get snow. Old people leave here to move
>> >there to avoid the snow. I think I prefer the snow.
>>
>> I still stand behind my previous words but I have to admit that I got
>> nostalgic when I read "I live in the mountains".
> I spent a week in a cabin in Vermont. That was lovely.
Vermont is incredible. Wallmarts should stop trying to conquer the
state.
>> I'm a north-country country-boy at heart and that'll never change.
>
>I've visited all over - Europe, the Caribbean, and a little of Canada,
>Mexico. I want to see more of Canada and my BF wants to go salmon
>fishing in Alaska.
>But there is something magical about where I live. It's very "clean"
>and quiet. And I'm still fairly close to a nice town.
I learned the hard way how important it is to be in a nice area. I now
sport a 5 inch scar on my right arm that I got the first time I was
mugged and the memory of having a gun held to my head the second time.
We picked our new neighborhood carefully. Early in our search we were
excited about one place but after looking at the area's crime
statistics we decided it was a bad idea.
Edmond Wollmann
> Well Ed, I give you this much. At least you recognize now that where
> the world is at right now is a result of many people's influences,
> including Bush and Cheney, and not something that you have thought up
> by yourself. That is a beginning of conversation.
Nor have I ever thought otherwise; you and others haven't really been
reading my work thoroughly have you?
I have repeatedly stated that every single person makes a difference
in the collective consciousness, and that the collective reality is
the effect of those combined efforts and beliefs.
It's too late folks, to attempt to deceive readers or make a fool of
me, I have documented this 8 year dialogue, and have not missed one
facet of the truths...we are.
"I never thought I'd get to be a hundred, I never thought I'd get to
do
the things that all these other souls do! And they do. I never thought
I'd ever have my freedom. An age ago my maker was refusing me the
pleasure of the view."
"I never thought I'd live to be a million, I never thought I'd get to
be
the thing that all his other children see.....look at me!"
The Moody Blues "To Our Children's, Children's, Children"
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
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Cujo DeSockpuppet
> drr0...@yahoo.com (Bodhisattvacat) wrote in message
> news:<4f2532f6.0408...@posting.google.com>...
>
>> Well Ed, I give you this much. At least you recognize now that where
>> the world is at right now is a result of many people's influences,
>> including Bush and Cheney, and not something that you have thought up
>> by yourself. That is a beginning of conversation.
>
> Nor have I ever thought otherwise; you and others haven't really been
> reading my work thoroughly have you?
*Your work*? That's an obvious lie unless you're Ron rice, Natalie
Angier, Bernadette Brady, Noel Tyl, Darryl Anka and a whole host of other
people, you plagiarizing fuckdrip.
> I have repeatedly stated that every single person makes a difference
> in the collective consciousness, and that the collective reality is
> the effect of those combined efforts and beliefs.
IOW, even a punching bag and laughingstock like you is capable of
inciting a reaction. don't get your hopes up, kook. It's not anything
positive or anything.
> It's too late folks, to attempt to deceive readers or make a fool of
> me, I have documented this 8 year dialogue, and have not missed one
> facet of the truths...we are.
You are...incoherent, kooky, a scumbag, a remorseless child killing
convict, a plagiarist, unwelcome at Kepler, SDSU, the FTC, FBI or the
local police stations in San Diego and a coward who can't even find a
restaurant around the corner even with the help of an imaginary police
escort.
http://www.smbtech.com/ed
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Seth Bullock
> It's too late folks, to attempt to deceive readers or make a fool of
> me,
Right. You did that by yourself many years ago, you lunatic.
bob
wrote:
>drr0...@yahoo.com (Bodhisattvacat) wrote in message news:<4f2532f6.0408...@posting.google.com>...
>
>> Well Ed, I give you this much. At least you recognize now that where
>> the world is at right now is a result of many people's influences,
>> including Bush and Cheney, and not something that you have thought up
>> by yourself. That is a beginning of conversation.
>
>Nor have I ever thought otherwise; you and others haven't really been
>reading my work thoroughly have you?
Why would someone read a kook's work carefully, Edmo?
>I have repeatedly stated that every single person makes a difference
>in the collective consciousness, and that the collective reality is
>the effect of those combined efforts and beliefs.
We are all unique snowflakes.
>It's too late folks, to attempt to deceive readers or make a fool of
>me, I have documented this 8 year dialogue, and have not missed one
>facet of the truths...we are.
You make enough of a fool out of yourself, Edtard.
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> On 14 Aug 2004 18:41:46 -0700, in alt.astrology, alcha...@yahoo.com
> (Edmond Wollmann) wrote:
>
>
>>drr0...@yahoo.com (Bodhisattvacat) wrote in message
>
> news:<4f2532f6.0408...@posting.google.com>...
>
>>>Well Ed, I give you this much. At least you recognize now that where
>>>the world is at right now is a result of many people's influences,
>>>including Bush and Cheney, and not something that you have thought up
>>>by yourself. That is a beginning of conversation.
>>
>>Nor have I ever thought otherwise; you and others haven't really been
>>reading my work thoroughly have you?
>
>
> Enough to know you are inconsistent and contradictory in every idea you
> attempt to convey.
>
>
>>I have repeatedly stated that every single person makes a difference
>
>
> You run of all the time like a village idiot vaccinated with a phonograph
> needle.
>
>
>
> <Snip of Eddy's Verbal Diarrhea>
Translation: Waahh!!
Emperor Norton Gojira IV/I
>that's 39 points that *you* know about - where's my fucking FAQ!?!
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