How To Delineate a Chart (For Roger in Denial)
Edmond Wollmann
Aggression-"Domestic Violence"?
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:06:35 -0700
From: Edmond Wollmann <wollm...@aznet.net>
Organization: Astrological Consulting, San Diego, CA
Newsgroups: alt.astrology, sci.skeptic
Roger L. Satterlee wrote:
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> "[..]There will be evidence in my upcoming book-the first Califonia highway
> patrol convicted of violating a woman's civil rights (by murdering her)
> came to me for astrological consulting regarding the case that was
> eventually successfully prosecuted by the FBI.
> Not only did I know he was capable of it by the chart but that he did it
> by the same measures.[..]"
> Rog comments:
> Ed, I would rather see the natal chart and the description of events, and
> *then* the commentary concerning your CHP patrolman.
Well I was aware of the events concerning him so of course it was
easier to work on conclusions rather than trying to figure out what
was going on out of thin air. You can read a portion of it in my "Mars
and the State of The Ego" article if you are really interested. I have
ALREADY presented it.
> Here is a chart of a convicted felon: how would you rate this chart as to a propensity for violence? What specifically might you expect from this man in terms of criminal acts?
First I will assume the correctness of the chart-I don't believe you
have Einstein's correct chart so I will qualify it by saying the chart
you present here, with a glance, without complete analysis-is a very
powerless perspective-difficulty maintaining stability, takes things
profoundly personal and has a difficulty maintaining a stable day-to-
day balanced perspective. A disbelief in natural assertion allows for
repression that then explodes in outbursts of "need to prove"
scenarios.
Did not percieve the nurture from the mother as a valid identity-
overcompensates by seeking to exact perfection from others-a profound
issue of control-sexual conflicts are the greatest and it is
here I believe the crimes of seeking power over others would be
greatest. There is tremendous energy that seeks validation-OCD
evident, strong reflection of antisocial pathology. Inability for
conscious control of drives and reflection of the rights of others-it is
the control issue the convicted belief in the lack of it-that drives
this person to seek tremendous self assertion in a negative way-can't
seem to find a sense of validity to his sense of self and its
application in the physical world-the parental situation was very
traumatic. It was a very a strong possibility of his own sexual
violation that leads to these beliefs of powerlessness in the reception
of love and caring from his view-a DIS belief in the positiveness of
physicality-that it is inherently evil. A difficulty in the extreme of
seeing the self through reflection. Which leads to totally incorrect
assessments and attributional errors of others "motives" and thinking.
Of course these are "leads" that a thorough analysis would confirm or
deny as I did more work-I hope you are knowledgable enough of
astrology to realize the work I would have to do to give more sure and
concise information-that right now I do not have the time to do-nor
may I ever do it just for the sake of proving my prowess to you or
anyone else.
Thats as far as I can go, I haven't looked at all the placements-just
a few observations.
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Satterlee replies;
Yes, one could read it the way you have, and it is my opinion that
people have a tendency to read the actual person that way. There's
only one problem, he is a total pacifist and lifelong vegetarian. He
is basically a political prisoner.
His crime amounts to paying three male teenage prostitutes for
consentual sex.
These persons came to his house soliciting. Two of the teens were
currently charged with multiple burglaries, and the third charged with
sexual assault while he was a patient at the psych center. When it
was also discovered that they had in the past had this sex for money
arrangement with our subject here, a political gadfly, the DA was more
than happy to use the very willing testimony of the teens to rid
himself of a nuisance fond of exposing local corruption.
I don't happen to like the idea of bi-sexual men having sex
with teen prostitutes, but this is guy who has a MA in Education, and
never had so much as a parking ticket. He is now doing 81/3 to 25
years because his being a closet gay was politically exploitable.
Because the world really is the way it is, I hesitate to mention the
people who arranged this absurd melodrama.
After long reflection, it seems to me that the idealism of
this political activist, and the guilt or shame he must have
associated with his being attracted to young men, had eventually
become an urge to be martyred--simply because he felt he should be
punished. Once the accusations were made against him, he did
everything in his power to get himself convicted and the worst
sentence he could manage--in for a penny, in for a pound...Once he had
been publicly shamed by this sexual disgression, which could have been
pleaded to misdeanor statusas was the case of a local police officer,
I think he would have kept after whoever he might find useful to this
esculating,
self-defeating cycle.
Frankly I don't understand any of it. I think his being an devout
atheist was important to understanding him, but I be a long time
really making sense of this guy's self-designed persecution....he was
one happy kid with no complaints.
Rog
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Subject: Re: Is astrology at all useful for the question of:
Aggression-"Domestic Violence"?
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Roger
you contradict yourself left and right...why not just admit that Ed
did what you asked.... he identified in the chart- sexual offender-
and indeed, that's precisely what the guy was.
Why not just admit it be done with it!!!
peace,
lili
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pedantus
wrote:
> Subject: Re: Is astrology at all useful for the question of:
> Aggression-"Domestic Violence"?
> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:06:35 -0700
> From: Edmond Wollmann <wollm...@aznet.net>
> Organization: Astrological Consulting, San Diego, CA
> Newsgroups: alt.astrology, sci.skeptic
>
> Roger L. Satterlee wrote:
> > Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> > "[..]There will be evidence in my upcoming book-the first Califonia highway
> > patrol convicted of violating a woman's civil rights (by murdering her)
> > came to me for astrological consulting regarding the case that was
> > eventually successfully prosecuted by the FBI.
> > Not only did I know he was capable of it by the chart but that he did it
> > by the same measures.[..]"
> > Rog comments:
> > Ed, I would rather see the natal chart and the description of events, and
> > *then* the commentary concerning your CHP patrolman.
>
> Well I was aware of the events concerning him so of course it was
> easier to work on conclusions rather than trying to figure out what
> was going on out of thin air. You can read a portion of it in my "Mars
> and the State of The Ego" article if you are really interested. I have
> ALREADY presented it.
No, you never presented anything but a curious bragging routine
wherein you cast yourself in the role of some kind of wholly
unbelievable "Murder She Wrote" astrologist with some kind of
jealously guarded inside information.
>
> > Here is a chart of a convicted felon: how would you rate this chart as to a propensity for violence?
So, answer the question (above), Ed. "...how would you rate this
chart as to a propensity for violence?
And I still wish to see the chart of the CHP Patrolman you believe
yourself to be interpreting, before accepting anything you call to an
accurate interpretation. So, anyway, its nice that a murdering CHP
patrolman would come to you and deem you possibly helpful to his
case...or did I misread that....:)?
Why don't you present the patrolmans chart, give references to
objective accounts of the case, and *then* show me how you could tell
(post-dict) that he was indeed a violent person and therefore probably
guilty of murder. So, Just present the astrology here, dude, and quit
imitating a xerox machine on steroids.
Rog
(Sorry, no shotgun guessing routine will be accepted as accurate natal
chart interpretations. Try being precise as well as vehement, eh?)
Edmond H. Wollmann
Rog
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Dave U. Random
"Edmond H. Wollmann" <arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Is astrology at all useful for the question of:
> Aggression-"Domestic Violence"?
> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:06:35 -0700
> From: Edmond Wollmann <wollm...@aznet.net>
> Organization: Astrological Consulting, San Diego, CA
> Newsgroups: alt.astrology, sci.skeptic
>
>
Spamming of stale shite noted.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:4AF60E...@earthlink.net:
> Subject: Re: Is astrology at all useful for the question of:
> Aggression-"Domestic Violence"?
> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:06:35 -0700
> From: Edmond Wollmann <wollm...@aznet.net>
> Organization: Astrological Consulting, San Diego, CA
> Newsgroups: alt.astrology, sci.skeptic
>
> Roger L. Satterlee wrote:
Roger kicked your ass so many times and yet you persist in acting as though
it never happened. Got any more stale screed, Pantyhead?
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> Subject: Re: Is astrology at all useful for the question of:
> Aggression-"Domestic Violence"?
> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:06:35 -0700
> From: Edmond Wollmann <wollm...@aznet.net>
> Organization: Astrological Consulting, San Diego, CA
> Newsgroups: alt.astrology, sci.skeptic
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