I looked at Hillary Clinton's transits for election day 2008,and they just don't seem to be nice,fortunate transits for somebody to win the presidency.
If using 8 pm as birthtime which I read is highly questionable Transiting Pluto square her Moon and oppose her Ascendant/conjunct Descendant (emotional upheavals,feeling devastated..especially regards to relationships with others)
Transiting Neptune in Leo squaring her Mercury-South Node conjunction in Scorpio and opposing her Saturn in Taurus for a t-square (That has to be a great challenge for her,seems like a major disappointment, communication issues,even bad news....with it being fixed,it can indicate that she is hard to budge,and may not waver during controversies,scandals,and debates)
Transiting Mars conjunct South Node Transiting South Node conjunct Mars (double whammy transit...has to be significant) (it could be actions that are coming back to haunt her)
I doubt that she will be elected president based on these transits even without the 8 pm birthtime, she still has that fixed t-square transit as well as the double whammy Mars-South Node conjunctions.
> I looked at Hillary Clinton's transits for election day 2008,and they > just don't seem to be nice,fortunate transits for somebody to win the > presidency.
> If using 8 pm as birthtime which I read is highly questionable > Transiting Pluto square her Moon and oppose her Ascendant/conjunct > Descendant > (emotional upheavals,feeling devastated..especially regards to > relationships with others)
> Transiting Neptune in Leo squaring her Mercury-South Node conjunction > in Scorpio and opposing her Saturn in Taurus for a t-square > (That has to be a great challenge for her,seems like a major > disappointment, communication issues,even bad news....with it being > fixed,it can indicate that she is hard to budge,and may not waver > during controversies,scandals,and debates)
> Transiting Mars conjunct South Node > Transiting South Node conjunct Mars > (double whammy transit...has to be significant) > (it could be actions that are coming back to haunt her)
> I doubt that she will be elected president based on these transits > even without the 8 pm birthtime, she still has that fixed t-square > transit as well as the double whammy Mars-South Node conjunctions.
> Raymond
------ It's really difficult doing election-day charts, because what looks like really great transits for a candidate might mean they'll LOSE the election, which will be the best thing that ever happened to them, while really lousy transits might mean the candidate will WIN, and make a really lousy president! ~DJ
> On Sep 5, 3:21 pm, "asty...@yahoo.com" <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I looked at Hillary Clinton's transits for election day 2008,and they > > just don't seem to be nice,fortunate transits for somebody to win the > > presidency.
> > If using 8 pm as birthtime which I read is highly questionable > > Transiting Pluto square her Moon and oppose her Ascendant/conjunct > > Descendant > > (emotional upheavals,feeling devastated..especially regards to > > relationships with others)
> > Transiting Neptune in Leo squaring her Mercury-South Node conjunction > > in Scorpio and opposing her Saturn in Taurus for a t-square > > (That has to be a great challenge for her,seems like a major > > disappointment, communication issues,even bad news....with it being > > fixed,it can indicate that she is hard to budge,and may not waver > > during controversies,scandals,and debates)
> > Transiting Mars conjunct South Node > > Transiting South Node conjunct Mars > > (double whammy transit...has to be significant) > > (it could be actions that are coming back to haunt her)
> > I doubt that she will be elected president based on these transits > > even without the 8 pm birthtime, she still has that fixed t-square > > transit as well as the double whammy Mars-South Node conjunctions.
> > Raymond
> ------ > It's really difficult doing election-day charts, because what looks > like really great transits for a candidate might mean they'll LOSE the > election, which will be the best thing that ever happened to them, > while really lousy transits might mean the candidate will WIN, and > make a really lousy president! > ~DJ
Shrugs.......it worked for me when I picked Bush to get elected in 2004 and posted about it...I also thought Bush would win 2000 election.......This was because I thought he had better transits according to Magi Astrology system. I haven't looked at Hillary Clinton's Magi Astrology chart much, but the transiting Neptune forming a t-square with her Mercury-South Node square Saturn is very difficult for communications and can definitely indicate bad news.
Neptune = Mercury/Saturn is interpreted rather negatively in Cosmobiology,Uranian Astrology.
I remember reading a lot about how Bush would lose because of his Saturn return, but they didn't say anything about his Jupiter return which conjuncts his Moon-Chiron-Jupiter conjunction.
BTW...I am a liberal.....I want Hillary to be elected....my girlfriend does too.
>I looked at Hillary Clinton's transits for election day 2008,and they > just don't seem to be nice,fortunate transits for somebody to win the > presidency.
> If using 8 pm as birthtime which I read is highly questionable > Transiting Pluto square her Moon and oppose her Ascendant/conjunct > Descendant > (emotional upheavals,feeling devastated..especially regards to > relationships with others)
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> Raymond
These birth time issues are frustrating. AstroDataBank (see URL below) gives the 8 PM time, but then notes that "Eileen Applegate quotes an article from the Chicago Sun Times stating, 'Her mother went into Edgewater hospital after midnight and Hillary was born early on the morning of October 26th.' http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ClintonHillary.htm
Someone with time on his/her hands might want to attempt an AM rectification, but as Raymond notes, the major planets (and transits to them) won't be affected. Speaking of transits, I have learned the hard way that trying to call an election based on transits to one candidate's chart is _very_ risky. Hillary's hubby had fairly lousy transits for the 1996 election, but Dole's were even worse.
> <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1189020064.397921.39930@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>I looked at Hillary Clinton's transits for election day 2008,and they >> just don't seem to be nice,fortunate transits for somebody to win the >> presidency.
>> If using 8 pm as birthtime which I read is highly questionable >> Transiting Pluto square her Moon and oppose her Ascendant/conjunct >> Descendant >> (emotional upheavals,feeling devastated..especially regards to >> relationships with others)
>><snip>
>> Raymond
> These birth time issues are frustrating. AstroDataBank (see URL below) > gives the 8 PM time, but then notes that "Eileen Applegate quotes an > article from the Chicago Sun Times stating, 'Her mother went into > Edgewater hospital after midnight and Hillary was born early on the > morning of October 26th.' > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ClintonHillary.htm
> Someone with time on his/her hands might want to attempt an AM > rectification, but as Raymond notes, the major planets (and transits to > them) won't be affected. Speaking of transits, I have learned the hard way > that trying to call an election based on transits to one candidate's chart > is _very_ risky. Hillary's hubby had fairly lousy transits for the 1996 > election, but Dole's were even worse.
You know, it occurs to me that campaigning for president is an awfully difficult time for the candidates. It's a lot of hard work, taking shots from the other side, invasions of privacy, your time is never your own, etc. So maybe it isn't so surprising that the transits are difficult, eh?
>I looked at Hillary Clinton's transits for election day 2008,and they > just don't seem to be nice,fortunate transits for somebody to win the > presidency.
> If using 8 pm as birthtime which I read is highly questionable > Transiting Pluto square her Moon and oppose her Ascendant/conjunct > Descendant > (emotional upheavals,feeling devastated..especially regards to > relationships with others)
> Transiting Neptune in Leo squaring her Mercury-South Node conjunction > in Scorpio and opposing her Saturn in Taurus for a t-square > (That has to be a great challenge for her,seems like a major > disappointment, communication issues,even bad news....with it being > fixed,it can indicate that she is hard to budge,and may not waver > during controversies,scandals,and debates)
> Transiting Mars conjunct South Node > Transiting South Node conjunct Mars > (double whammy transit...has to be significant) > (it could be actions that are coming back to haunt her)
> I doubt that she will be elected president based on these transits > even without the 8 pm birthtime, she still has that fixed t-square > transit as well as the double whammy Mars-South Node conjunctions.
IMHO, these inauspicious transits don't necessarily mean Hillary Clinton won't win the elections. Firstly, you should look at the transits for the other candidates too.
Secondly, "bad" aspects - squares and oppositions - were the ones most favored for winning at the horse races, according to a little booklet I once had.
Those bad aspects might be related to some personal perception of outer events though.
> <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote in news message > news:1189020064.397921.39930@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>I looked at Hillary Clinton's transits for election day 2008,and they >> just don't seem to be nice,fortunate transits for somebody to win the >> presidency.
>> If using 8 pm as birthtime which I read is highly questionable >> Transiting Pluto square her Moon and oppose her Ascendant/conjunct >> Descendant >> (emotional upheavals,feeling devastated..especially regards to >> relationships with others)
>> Transiting Neptune in Leo squaring her Mercury-South Node conjunction >> in Scorpio and opposing her Saturn in Taurus for a t-square >> (That has to be a great challenge for her,seems like a major >> disappointment, communication issues,even bad news....with it being >> fixed,it can indicate that she is hard to budge,and may not waver >> during controversies,scandals,and debates)
>> Transiting Mars conjunct South Node >> Transiting South Node conjunct Mars >> (double whammy transit...has to be significant) >> (it could be actions that are coming back to haunt her)
>> I doubt that she will be elected president based on these transits >> even without the 8 pm birthtime, she still has that fixed t-square >> transit as well as the double whammy Mars-South Node conjunctions.
> IMHO, these inauspicious transits don't necessarily mean Hillary Clinton > won't win the elections. Firstly, you should look at the transits for the > other candidates too.
> Secondly, "bad" aspects - squares and oppositions - were the ones most > favored for winning at the horse races, according to a little booklet I > once had.
> Those bad aspects might be related to some personal perception of outer > events though.
While I perfectly know Hillary Clinton is not a horse and the elections are not horse races, I think here is something to consider.
> > <asty...@yahoo.com> wrote in news message > >news:1189020064.397921.39930@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > >>I looked at Hillary Clinton's transits for election day 2008,and they > >> just don't seem to be nice,fortunate transits for somebody to win the > >> presidency.
> >> If using 8 pm as birthtime which I read is highly questionable > >> Transiting Pluto square her Moon and oppose her Ascendant/conjunct > >> Descendant > >> (emotional upheavals,feeling devastated..especially regards to > >> relationships with others)
> >> Transiting Neptune in Leo squaring her Mercury-South Node conjunction > >> in Scorpio and opposing her Saturn in Taurus for a t-square > >> (That has to be a great challenge for her,seems like a major > >> disappointment, communication issues,even bad news....with it being > >> fixed,it can indicate that she is hard to budge,and may not waver > >> during controversies,scandals,and debates)
> >> Transiting Mars conjunct South Node > >> Transiting South Node conjunct Mars > >> (double whammy transit...has to be significant) > >> (it could be actions that are coming back to haunt her)
> >> I doubt that she will be elected president based on these transits > >> even without the 8 pm birthtime, she still has that fixed t-square > >> transit as well as the double whammy Mars-South Node conjunctions.
> > IMHO, these inauspicious transits don't necessarily mean Hillary Clinton > > won't win the elections. Firstly, you should look at the transits for the > > other candidates too.
> > Secondly, "bad" aspects - squares and oppositions - were the ones most > > favored for winning at the horse races, according to a little booklet I > > once had.
> > Those bad aspects might be related to some personal perception of outer > > events though.
> While I perfectly know Hillary Clinton is not a horse and the elections are > not horse races, I think here is something to consider.
> Astropophageous
Hmmmmm...........it just seems that it would be hard to predict an election using regular astrology transits......so many views.....easy aspects could indicate the luck of winning...
BUT
the hard aspects could indicate the oncoming stress that the presidential job holds
hmmmmmm
I should check out their charts in the Magi Astrology way. I checked out Magi Astrology transits. It worked in the last 2 elections. I also checked Bush's transits during inaugration,and that helped. The solar arcs too.
I wonder if Cosmobiology works better....it's a very event-oriented system highly based on planetary geometry without the use of house systems. I actually like it better for Medical Astrology too.
asty...@yahoo.com wrote: >I wonder if Cosmobiology works better....it's a very event-oriented >system highly based on planetary geometry without the use of house >systems.
Though it does use the angles, which I consider very important, too.
>I actually like it better for Medical Astrology too.
I'd be interested in seeing any calculations you do, since I'm not motivated enough on my own to do it :-)
I was introduced to Cosmobiology ages ago and found the 90° wheel to be quite good- just not really my taste. I still go for the western wheel, planets in houses, kinda thing. But the 45° graphic ephemeris is genius.
