Pluto in the 1rst House
Edmond Wollmann
Abe Chachamovits wrote:
> Hello,
> I am interesting in writing to people with Pluto in the 1rst House,
> in order to exchange/relate/emphatize the transformational experiences
> from this powerful Plutonic position.
> Abe
Well, if you don't mind a gap or 2 in response-fire away. Mine is in 1
SD in Leo, in a grand trine w/Venus in 9, nnode and Pallas in 5-Tsquare
w/Sun in 10 Saturn in 4, yod w/moon in 6 Mars in 11, quintile Mercury in
11 (creative application). It rules my 4th (identity establishment, past
and unconscious inner self) disposes of the 6th ruler (analytical
discernment, service, illness and accident as the effect of perpective
etc.) and is disposed of by the Sun in 10 (the hero, authority and full
manifestation of the life energy in physicality).
I have drowned. I have been burned 3rd degree 50% of my body (gasoline
accidentally thrown on me), broken l/leg (femur twice) 6 places, have a
metal plate in my arm from major fracture (2 auto crashes and 3
motorcycle-none my "fault"), spent most of my chilhood in convulsions
from asthma and had over 60 allergies. Have had many deaths as a part of
my experiences- some in front of my eyes (one of my girlfriends was hit
by a train on the way to pick me up). Is this the Phoenix? I LITERALLY
rose from the ashes.
While others were crying about the limitations of their burns I was
forcing myself to walk down the halls of the hospital with blood
draining from my open wounds to insure I would walk again. I went back
to see them to encourage them to force themselves not to give up when
they had to have operations to try to fix (severe scarring and muscle
atrophy) what my force of will kept me from having to have (this lead me
to write my first article "Saturn Opposed Saturn Veiw to Reality"-as I
was burned at the exact time of it).
I now counsel and argue that we create our reality to help others find
these things I found in myself, as my service to them (6th).
I forced myself (through incarnational choice) to see that III had
created these reality experiences for a reason MY reason, so that I
could accelarate myself to higher self recognitions through having to go
inward-understand myself, my own psyche, my own limitations, my own
fears, my own stupidity-without guilt and judgment to allow me to serve
others in this way. I take alot of misunderstanding from others because
I am strong and here to serve and my "social acceptance" has little
relevance to my service.
Transformation is NOT the product of mediocrity. Nor does it ever end.
I have been to the underworld and back several times-what would you
like to know? I speak from the heart.
---
"Up in your sterilized room where they let you be lazy. Knowing your
attitude's all wrong and you've got to change and thats not easy. Dragon
shining with all values known-dazzlin you keepin you from your own.
Where is the lion in you to defy em." Joni Mitchell "Troubled Child"
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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Mary Ellen Nagle
Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
[snip]
> I have been to the underworld and back several times
[snip]
Dear Edmond,
Geez. Talk about an understatement. If you didn't have Pluto rising I
wouldn't believe that you really had survived all you've been though! ;-)
Thanks for letting us in on what it's been like for you, living out such an
unusually intense chart.
As for your comment about having been to the underworld and back several
times; this one comment, as well as the full context of your entire post,
reminded me of a poem by Carl Sandburg. In light of your tumultuous life, I
felt this poem might "speak" to you, Edmond, so here it is just for you - and
also for everybody else, too! (it's really a riddle in the form of a poem):
.............................................................
WHO AM I?
My head knocks against the stars.
My feet are on the hilltops.
My finger-tips are in the valleys and shores of universal life.
Down in the sounding foam of primal things I reach my
hands and play with pebbles of destiny.
I have been to hell and back many times.
I know all about heaven, for I have talked with God.
I dabble in the blood and guts of the terrible.
I know the passionate seizure of beauty
And the marvelous rebellion of man at all signs reading
"Keep Off."
My name is Truth and I am the most elusive captive in the
universe.
(by Carl Sandburg)
..............................................................
Abe Chachamovits
Edmond,
I am humbled by your transformation, where yours have a profund
connection to the physical realm (among others), mine have been
of a different nature--more subjective. Nothing can compare to the
obvious suffering-purification-growth cycle that you are so part of,
but then again, suffering is a personal and relative term. Mine,
for their lack of physical suffering on the surface, have also led
me to great pain-purification cycles, at a deep psycological level.
Nevertheless, you exemplify courage and the Plutonian connection
on a level that I am sure most could not understand.
I bet you are in first name basis with Hades.
Will continue...
Warm Regards,
Abe (Sun Taurus/Moon Scorpio/Leo ascendant)
Edmond Wollmann
Mary Ellen Nagle wrote:
Thank you very much, this was very thoughtful of you!
> Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
> [snip]
> > I have been to the underworld and back several times
> [snip]
> Dear Edmond,
> Geez. Talk about an understatement.
Well I didn't tell EVERYthing that happened, but I guess you got the
point:-)
> If you didn't have Pluto rising I
> wouldn't believe that you really had survived all you've been though! ;-)
> Thanks for letting us in on what it's been like for you, living out such an
> unusually intense chart.
Its been quite exciting!
> As for your comment about having been to the underworld and back several
> times; this one comment, as well as the full context of your entire post,
> reminded me of a poem by Carl Sandburg. In light of your tumultuous life, I
> felt this poem might "speak" to you, Edmond, so here it is just for you - and
> also for everybody else, too! (it's really a riddle in the form of a poem):
.............................................................
> WHO AM I?
> My head knocks against the stars.
> My feet are on the hilltops.
> My finger-tips are in the valleys and shores of universal life.
> Down in the sounding foam of primal things I reach my
> hands and play with pebbles of destiny.
> I have been to hell and back many times.
> I know all about heaven, for I have talked with God.
> I dabble in the blood and guts of the terrible.
> I know the passionate seizure of beauty
> And the marvelous rebellion of man at all signs reading
> "Keep Off."
> My name is Truth and I am the most elusive captive in the
> universe.
> (by Carl Sandburg)
..............................................................
Thank you once again for your sensitivity and insight.
Ed
Edmond Wollmann
Abe Chachamovits wrote:
Hello! Back for a minute.
> Edmond,
> I am humbled by your transformation, where yours have a profund
> connection to the physical realm (among others), mine have been
> of a different nature--more subjective.
Well believe me even though having five attendents cutting dead flesh
off you in a whirlpool bath while you lay naked is difficult for the
dignity-it never-the-less creates much inner and subjective changes-but
yes I understand what you mean.
However whatever critical issues are inward usually become externalized
in some way, this is the whole conceptual archetype of the
Cancer/Capricorn polarity, the inner is reflected in the outer and my
tranformation of perspective that goes on within has been and was
expressed through the tumultuous experiences as the EFFECT of the inner
conflict. When they are resolved without resistance I have no accidents
or "dis-ease" which is caused by the resistance to these things.
> Nothing can compare to the
> obvious suffering-purification-growth cycle that you are so part of,
> but then again, suffering is a personal and relative term.
Well one of the transformations of Scorpio and the 8th and Pluto is the
recognition that "comparisons" only end in subjective value judgments
and the ego must shake these off and rise above them, yes.
> Mine,
> for their lack of physical suffering on the surface, have also led
> me to great pain-purification cycles, at a deep psycological level.
Yes plus you have the moon in Scorpio so your need for significance is
-like mine caught up in your need for identity definition or "Who am I?"
Well, what I have learned through all of this is pain is the
developmental (unresolved conflict) that is not WELCOMED hence
squares-oppositions are ONLY difficult when we judge the developmental
process in a negative rather than positive way. When we percieve it from
the positive perspective it transforms into excitement. Instead of
saying "oh this is so wrong-it can't be-its not right-I have failed",
the idea is to say "well that went totally in an unexpected direction!
How can I learn from this how exciting!" It is our expectations and
judgments that restrict the events into narrow definitions that is full
of "shoulds", when we see it as a creation from the inner self and
accept it as a PART of the path we chose to be and work with it the pain
disapeares.
> Nevertheless, you exemplify courage and the Plutonian connection
> on a level that I am sure most could not understand.
> I bet you are in first name basis with Hades.
Well the courage is from the Sun in 10 which disposes of it, but the
perspective alteration (Scorpio) that moves us to higher self
recognitions (Sagittarius) is the power of Pluto. Most cannot deal with
the raw open psyche because the way we create ouselves to be is in
shells-shells of feelings and beliefs to deal with shells and feelings
of beliefs that we are not willing to deal with hence they remain
unconscious. When you open these underlying layers to others they cringe
at the exposure of the psyche and this may be painful because the
unconscious is where all of these things people are not willing to deal
with are placed (which is what metaphorically I was-my psyche opened
bare to reality through the wounding)-then Pluto and Scorpio have to
transform and break the barriers created by the shells that the ego has
built to "protect" itself from seeing-hence the many "deaths" of the ego
on the way to enlightenment;
.."but the idea many times of the reasons that those fears occur in your
society, when you are interacting with beings from other societies in
that way, no matter what level you are interacting with them, the reason
that many of those fears occur is because-let us say-and again in no
way, shape, or form, is this meant to be a comparative judgement that
you are any less than any other being. But the way you create yourselves
to be, the way you have been taught to think of yourselves, creates
within you the ability to hide and suppress many portions of your
consciousness from yourselves, and in doing so you function on a lower
vibratory frequency very often. When you come in contact with a being
that operates on a very high vibratory frequency because it is willing
to know itself as completely as it can, then those two frequencies when
they come together, will usually create the effect of the higher
frequency in a sense overwhelming the lower frequency, and forcing the
lower frequency to rise in pitch. In forcing the lower frequency to
raise in pitch, that will bring to the surface all the things that you
have been keeping buried within you, and bringing those things to the
surface when you are not ready to face them, can be a very fearful
experience for many of you. That is where the fear comes from."
> Will continue...
> Warm Regards,
Thank you very much for your sharing, it is like all who share here-a
gift.
Ed
> Abe (Sun Taurus/Moon Scorpio/Leo ascendant)
---
"They open and they close you, and they talk like they know you, they
don't know you! They're friends and they're foes too, troubled child
breakin like the waves at Malibu." Joni Mitchell "Troubled Child"
Abe Chachamovits
Ed,
It is remarkabe however how God gives one only what one can handle.
The deep experiences of tranformation, although at times endured
through great pain, have always left me with the impression that
no matter how tough things get, we will be ok. I suppose that this
inherent Scorpio energy of transformation, as it evolves to its
opposite in the axis, Taurus, ultimately will attain the necessary
peace and tranquility, the desire to bathe in the waters of harmony
that is promised by its Taureaun polarity. I guess, I look forward
to each encounter that so deeply transforms me, because I know that
as I do so, and learn what I must, I am hopefully a step further
in the true path of my soul, of my development.
That, I know, is felt by all. What changes is a variable of
quantification. Your experiences, may seem completely unthinkable by
most. Mine probably are more acceptable. Yet, only you know what
you would consider unthinkable or unendurable at this point in your
life--I suppose, only you know how much you can take.
The obstinance, passion, endurance, and ultimate strenght of Taurus
is at least enviable. We need Taurus to endure Scorpio's vulcanic
explosions. God gave us a very powerful asset to endure it all.
Finnaly, by understanding my Cancer North Node, I realize that I am
(or are becoming) quite sensitive not only to my transformational
realizations, but to the ones of my fellow men.
Warm regards & peace,
Abe (Sun Taurus/Moon Scorpio/Leo ascendant) - May 9th, 1963 11:55 AM
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Edmond Wollmann
Abe Chachamovits wrote:
Hi Abe-your mail keeps coming back undeliverable.
> Ed,
> It is remarkabe however how God gives one only what one can handle.
Well, I understand what you mean, but we ARE "All That Is"-it is we who
give ourselves these things because we are co-creators with "God"-we are
meant to be and created in this "image"-remember? Part of the Plutonian
experience is to real-ize that you are the reality that before this
death of the ego, you thought you existed within! This is the
transformation that occurs at every level-3rd to 4th density or
dimensional transformation is this recognition. That you and the
physical reality you experience are one (the father and I are one, the
King and the land are one, the kingdom of heaven is within).
This is why this other thread about squares is not really understood-we
MUST have squares, squares are simply the splaying out and apparent
contradiction of polarity when it is MANIFESTED in physicality! All the
Cardinal points and the 1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th houses are the
MANIFESTATION of "All That Is" in its MATERIAL version! This is why
gestation is 270 days (degrees) and equates to the physicalization of
Capricorn and the 10th. Just as the white light is diffracted into its
appearently separate colors (negative energy) so is the "white light of
"All That Is" splayed into its apparently diffracted
selves (you and I and everything else) and polarities as the EFFECT of
material manifestation! There is nothing inherently negative about this
diffraction and it is US as a "color" of "All That Is" that are creating
it as A CHOICE-to come to this planet-to experience the illusion of the
focus of this planet BECAUSE WE WANTED TO! Not because we are on some
negative training mission. We are all the ways that "All That Is' HAS of
expressing itself within the creation that it is. Now-the feedback loop
for our actions and learning are SLOWED and limited because of this
effect of focus, so it seems like a long time and we have forgotten
much-BUT WE ARE STILL COMPLETE AS WE WERE BEFORE WE PLAYED THE GAME OF
FORGETTING. But now we are remembering and waking up (Uranus) to this
co-creation FACT.
> The deep experiences of tranformation, although at times endured
> through great pain, have always left me with the impression that
> no matter how tough things get, we will be ok.
Of course because we are eternal and therefore indestructable!
> I suppose that this
> inherent Scorpio energy of transformation, as it evolves to its
> opposite in the axis, Taurus, ultimately will attain the necessary
> peace and tranquility, the desire to bathe in the waters of harmony
> that is promised by its Taureaun polarity. I guess, I look forward
> to each encounter that so deeply transforms me, because I know that
> as I do so, and learn what I must, I am hopefully a step further
> in the true path of my soul, of my development.
Yes, when we balance, blend, harmonize, marry and integrate these things
all DIS-EASE must by definition cease. YOU ARE a path! How can you be
off yourself?
> That, I know, is felt by all. What changes is a variable of
> quantification. Your experiences, may seem completely unthinkable by
> most. Mine probably are more acceptable. Yet, only you know what
> you would consider unthinkable or unendurable at this point in your
> life--I suppose, only you know how much you can take.
NOTHING is unthinkable in my reality. If I can imagine it-it must be
real on some level or I could not think it! Period. It is a matter of
what I prefer to experience and for everyone else whether they know it
or not-and they make these preferences SIMPLY BY THE DEFINITIONS THEY
HOLD ABOUT REALITY. There are no other rules.
> The obstinance, passion, endurance, and ultimate strenght of Taurus
> is at least enviable.
All the fixed signs reflect the RESOURCE-FULLNESS that is available TO
everyone-and these houses and planets therein etc, simply reflect their
beliefs about this availability of resource. YOU LACK nothing. Everyone
MUST have what they need when they need it or the creator would not have
created you as the idea you are! Why would it create an idea that could
not support itself?
> We need Taurus to endure Scorpio's vulcanic
> explosions. God gave us a very powerful asset to endure it all.
> Finnaly, by understanding my Cancer North Node, I realize that I am
> (or are becoming) quite sensitive not only to my transformational
> realizations, but to the ones of my fellow men.
The stability comes from the knowingness that we always have what we
need when we need it-this is true abundance-yes?
> Warm regards & peace,
Happy holidays and higher self explorations (Sagittarius-the reason for
the season as they say:-)))
> Abe (Sun Taurus/Moon Scorpio/Leo ascendant) - May 9th, 1963 11:55 AM
> Sao Paulo, Brazil
---
"I will be your father figure put your tiny hand in mine, I will be your
preacher/teacher anything you have in mind! George Michael "Father
Figure"