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Message from discussion 9/11 Required Reading: "500 Days"
From: Bud <sirsl...@fast.net>
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Subject: Re: 9/11 Required Reading: "500 Days"
Date: 13 Nov 2012 22:07:35 -0500
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On Nov 13, 5:26=A0pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 11/13/2012 11:13 AM, Bud wrote:
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> > On Nov 12, 9:45 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 11/12/2012 8:06 PM, Bud wrote:
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> >>> On Nov 12, 7:01 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 11/11/2012 1:59 PM, Bud wrote:
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> >>>>> On Nov 10, 10:07 pm, mainframetech <mainframet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Nov 9, 10:20 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
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> >>>>>>> On Nov 9, 12:08 pm, mainframetech <mainframet...@yahoo.com> wrote=
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> >>>>>>>> On Nov 9, 12:28 am, Jason Burke <Burke_Ja...@comcast.net> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2012 2:20 PM, curtjester1 wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 1:00 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> w=
rote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2012 6:56 PM, curtjester1 wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 10:10 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net=
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/3/2012 3:48 PM, curtjester1 wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Longer does not equal hotter.
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> >>>>>>>>>> I am not sure what you mean by this steel compromising example=
 from Nat
> >>>>>>>>>> Geo, and your theory of trusses, so I'll let Mainframe weigh i=
n on that or
> >>>>>>>>>> see if you can clarify.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is said that oxygen fires are hotter, and when something =
is burning at
> >>>>>>>>>>>> length as opposed to some of these WTC short term fires, it =
must be looked
> >>>>>>>>>>>> at as improbable that these fires were having that type of t=
heorized
> >>>>>>>>>>>> impact. =A0Some of these other fires where 'no fire has ever=
 brought down a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> steel-beamed structure before' were not affected by all this=
 inferno type
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fire that was engulfing the whole buildings.
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> >>>>>>>>>>> I have no idea what you THINK you mean by that.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> The gist is that buildings of steel do not get hot enough to b=
urn down in
> >>>>>>>>>> fires, and before 9/11, none had. =A0The steel stays intact. =
=A0I would think
>
> >>>>>>>>> I wonder how steel is formed. Is it by magic?
>
> >>>>>>>>>> these steel-structured buildings had enough steel to be such t=
hat a Nat
> >>>>>>>>>> Geo experiment would not get them to compromise. =A0Are you sa=
ying the Nat
> >>>>>>>>>> Geo experiment was in comparison to the trusses? =A0And what i=
f the trusses
> >>>>>>>>>> were compromised? =A0Wouldn't the greater and main steel beams=
 just remain
> >>>>>>>>>> intact, while 'THEY" just fell?
>
> >>>>>>>>>> CJ
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> >>>>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 There is some truth in the question of the trusses f=
alling while
> >>>>>>>> leaving the main beams there. =A0But the building was planned to=
 stay up
> >>>>>>>> while a fully loaded 707 crashed into it, including all the jet =
fuel.
>
> >>>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0They did stay up when the planes hit them, even though=
 the planes
> >>>>>>> were bigger than they figured, and were going much faster.
>
> >>>>>>>> As long as the outside 'cage' of supports was intact to some deg=
ree,
> >>>>>>>> it would be kept up and supporting the building even when some b=
eams
> >>>>>>>> were cut, as in the twin towers' case. =A0The main beams were th=
ick and
> >>>>>>>> solid and the same theory worked for them too. =A0A few of them =
might
> >>>>>>>> be compromised, but the way they were interconnected, they would
> >>>>>>>> continue holding up the building...as was planned. =A0The kind o=
f fall
> >>>>>>>> that was experienced could only happen if ALL the main supports =
and
> >>>>>>>> many of the peripheral supports were weakened far beyond their n=
ormal
> >>>>>>>> load bearing point.
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> >>>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0Weakened by fire.
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> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0Nope, won't do.
>
> >>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0Of course you are not going to accept reality. But since=
 I saw planes
> >>>>> hit and saw fires you are going to have to show that something else=
 was
> >>>>> needed. And that you will never do with the flimsy nonsense you`ve
> >>>>> mustered.
>
> >>>> Ah, ok, so if you didn't see something it didn't exist.
>
> >>> =A0 =A0 Still struggling with your reading comprehension I see.
>
> >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 "But since I saw planes hit and saw fires you are going t=
o have to
> >>> show that something else was needed."
>
> >>> =A0 =A0 Can you show that something else was needed, Tony?
>
> >> You didn't ask me and I didn't offer any theory about that.
>
> > =A0 =A0I know, you rarely respond with anything that speaks to somethin=
g
> > I`ve said.
>
> >> I am the guy
> >> who said it was the fires weakening the steel.
>
> > =A0 =A0No, that was the Haya people nearly 2000 years ago.
>
> >> You like Quixote creating monsterous enemies out of windmills to make
> >> yourself look like the people's hero slaying the monsters.
> >> Even when we are on the same side I don't want you handling the ball
> >> because you fumble it.
>
> > =A0 =A0Oh yeah? You are like the boy who cried "Wolf", and the second
> > Little Pig.
>
> >>>> Guess you think all those special effects, stunts and magic tricks a=
re
> >>>> real because you can't see how they are done.
>
> >>> =A0 =A0 Theres a new one, the Twin Towers were brought down by magic.
>
> >> Still struggling with your reading comprehension I see.
> >> I never said anything like that.
>
> > =A0 =A0I didn`t think you`d mind if I played with your strawman.
>
> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 Poor little buddy is now an expert on steel and its
> >>>>>> various modes,
>
> >>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0Poor little Chrissy was sleeping when I showed him how e=
asily steel
> >>>>> can be heated enough to bend.
>
> >>>> Were you the one who uploaded the NATGEO video?
>
> >>> =A0 =A0 Is that the one where the guy is screwing a chicken?
>
> >>>>>> as well as an expert on the WTC tragedy. =A0I guess he has
> >>>>>> wider orders than we figured.
>
> >>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0You spend a lot of time guessing and little time enlight=
ening
> >>>>> yourself. If you read something on a truther site you like the soun=
d
> >>>>> of you believe it, thats all. Believe all the stupid things you lik=
e,
> >>>>> it`s a free country.
>
> >>>> Same with you and your debunker sites.
>
> >>> =A0 =A0 Many conspiracy mongers seem to think all ideas are the same.
>
> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 Read this article showing that the
> >>>>>> softening point of steel could not have been reached:
>
> >>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0You need to pay attention, I showed you that an ordinary=
 wood fire
> >>>>> can heat steel to the point it can be bent.
>
> >>>> Ordinary? Is that why the steel grates holding the wood logs keep
> >>>> collapsing and needing to be replaced?
>
> >>> =A0 =A0 What are you talking about?
>
> >> You claimed that an ordinary wood fire would could heat steel to the
> >> point where it can be bent.
>
> > =A0 =A0Hell, I even showed it.
>
> >> Then why doesn't that happen every day in
> >> ordinary home fireplaces with steel grates?
>
> > =A0 =A0Distance from the fire and lack of force. Anything else you need
> > explained to you?
>
> >>>>>> =A0http://www.serendipity.li/wot/temperatures_of_structural_steel.=
htm
>
> >>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0Cite something from that work that supports the proposit=
ion that the
> >>>>> steel in the Twin Towers wasn`t softened by heat.
>
> >>>> Softened is the wrong term. Weakened.
>
> >>> =A0 =A0 Both the same.
>
> >> Wrong. Different words have different meanings.
>
> > =A0 I just showed you, pay attention. In regards to steel "softening"
> > means "weakening".
>
> No, you didn't.

  Yah, I did.

    "Softening is done to reduce strength or hardness..."

>You talked about two different thing and said one thing
> caused the other.

  You`re confused.

>Bending steel can weaken it and soften it until it
> breaks.
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> >> You abuse those meanings to push a political agenda.
>
> > =A0 =A0You abuse the English language for your own amusement.
>
> >>> =A0 =A0http://www.efunda.com/processes/heat_treat/introduction/heat_t=
reatmen...
>
> >>> =A0 =A0 "Softening is done to reduce strength or hardness..."
>
> >>>>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 To accomplish that weakening, an incendiary chemical=
 could be used
> >>>>>>>> and it would make the steel paper thin and full of holes, just b=
y
> >>>>>>>> setting it off against the steel. =A0Here's an example of steel =
from the
> >>>>>>>> WTC:
>
> >>>>>> =A0 =A0http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/02/15/the-mysterio=
us-
> >>>>>> collaps...
>
> >>>>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 Page down a bit to find the picture of the steel.
>
> >>>>>> Chris
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