> > On Nov 22, 10:11 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net>  wrote:
> >> On 11/21/2010 2:16 PM, curtjester1 wrote:

> >>> On Nov 21, 1:09 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony.ma...@comcast.net>    wrote:
> >>>> On 11/20/2010 6:48 PM, curtjester1 wrote:

> >>>>> On Nov 19, 5:49 pm, bigdog<jecorbett1...@yahoo.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>> On Nov 19, 2:07 pm, curtjester1<curtjest...@hotmail.com>      wrote:

> >>>>>>> On Nov 18, 9:21 pm, bigdog<jecorbett1...@yahoo.com>      wrote:

> >>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 12:57 pm, curtjester1<curtjest...@hotmail.com>      wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 11:46 pm, bigdog<jecorbett1...@yahoo.com>      wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>> Dale Myers computer animation indicates otherwise. All that is
> >>>>>>>>>> necessary is to place JFK and JBC in their correct positions relative
> >>>>>>>>>> to one another. If JFK and JBC were at the same level, the bullet
> >>>>>>>>>> would have hit JBC lower, but JFK's seat was elevated above JBC's.

> >>>>>>>>> Animation = Cartoon Projection.  Myers is one that used to believe
> >>>>>>>>> Oswald was on the second floor and not a shooter, so off the getgo, he
> >>>>>>>>> falls behind in credibility.  The SBT loses at the onstart as all
> >>>>>>>>> these computer portrayals forget that the shirt depicts where the
> >>>>>>>>> wound was in the back and it NEVER aligns above the shirt collar
> >>>>>>>>> front.  Of course there is no proof of where the back wound probing
> >>>>>>>>> went to, and well, Myers has been confronted on many numerous issues
> >>>>>>>>> that he doesn't care to be too precise on, which is what is needed to
> >>>>>>>>> make a movie of what you want.  You make the cartoon movie, and nobody
> >>>>>>>>> watching is going to be able to address you.  Well, the addressing is
> >>>>>>>>> still going on, if you want to read into some of the finer points, one
> >>>>>>>>> can click onto Pat Speer's look at what Myers is trying to pull off on
> >>>>>>>>> the public in this link a little way's down.

> >>>>>>>> Nonsense, as this well known photo shows:

> >>>>>>>>http://arlen-specter.tripod.com/index.htm

> >>>>>>>> Naturally, Specter cannot place the rod to show the actual bullet path
> >>>>>>>> because he would have to skewer the agent to do that, so he holds the
> >>>>>>>> rod off to the side to show the plane of the bullet path. Notice that
> >>>>>>>> even though the rod is held well below the top of the collar of both
> >>>>>>>> the shirt and jacket in the back, it extends downward through the knot
> >>>>>>>> of the tie where the bullet exited and to point of entrance on JBC's
> >>>>>>>> back. I don't know where people get the idea that the back wound was
> >>>>>>>> below the throat wound.

> >>>>>>>> I know you and Rossley like to dismiss these sophisticated computer
> >>>>>>>> animations as nothing more than cartoons, but these "cartoons" are an
> >>>>>>>> accepted form of evidence in a court of law.- Hide quoted text -

> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -

> >>>>>>> I am sure many things can be used in court, but what will a jury buy?

> >>>>>>> Your photo from Specter shows a shot that could come from a lower
> >>>>>>> elevated position,

> >>>>>> Or a higher one depending on which way you want to have JFK leaning
> >>>>>> when he was struck. Myers situated JFK as best he could based on the
> >>>>>> last clear view we have of him at Z200 and the next clear view at
> >>>>>> Z225. In doing so, he showed a line passing through both wounds
> >>>>>> pointing back to the SN. If others find fault with Myers work, they
> >>>>>> are free to offer an alternative to be judged on its merits.

> >>>>> He was standing erect-style coming out from the sign.  He was hit just
> >>>>> after 200, which is why they need to accidentally snip the Z film.

> >>>>> "pointing back to the SN"???!!  That's why I put the Sniper's Nest photo
> >>>>> in.  It's too high for a bullet to go flat like Specter wanted. Hit five
> >>>>> inches below the collar from that spot (Z202) (which is impossible through
> >>>>> the trees)...(which is more impossible when there is no shot circa 160
> >>>>> throught the trees); would have the angle go much futher down in straight
> >>>>> alignment from the actual throat wound.  It's like a 45 degree angle from
> >>>>> there.

> >>>>>>>http://www.jfklancer.com/WindowView.html

> >>>>>>> but what gives it away as false besides the trajectory, is where the
> >>>>>>> back wound is going to go.  That as you can see in his photo is well
> >>>>>>> right in the portion of the back, and the pointer goes way off to the
> >>>>>>> right of the throat.

> >>>>>> Of course it is a false trajectory. The true trajectory was through
> >>>>>> JFK. Would you want him to run the rod through the agent? This photo
> >>>>>> serves to show the approximate downward trajectory of the bullet. It
> >>>>>> shows that bullet on that angle can strike the back well below the top
> >>>>>> of the collar, continue downward, and exit at the level of the knot of
> >>>>>> the tie.

> >>>>> Yep, from street level, for sure.

> >>>>>>     >      side of the Adam's Apple.  It would have had to go through dense
> >>>>>> bone,

> >>>>>> Which dense bone would that be?

> >>>>> Try a Spine.  It can't dance from the right side of the spine and get
> >>>>> exactly in front of it on the other side, without going pretty well
> >>>>> right through it.

> >>>> It depends on which vertebra. It might have to smash through T-1 if the
> >>>> trajectory is low enough. But a little higher and there is enough room
> >>>> to skim past C-7 without smashing right through it. We believe it
> >>>> fractured the tip of T-1.

> >>> So, are you saying that the Spine is not there from a high elevation?
> >>> (feeling the back of my neck now)

> >> It's hard to explain if you've never studied anatomy. The top vertebrae
> >> are called the cervical vertebrae and they are not as wide as the next
> >> set below them called the thoracic vertebrae. That means that a bullet
> >> which would have to hit T-1 at a certain elevation would just miss C-7
> >> an inch higher.

> >>http://anatomy.askthetrainer.com/muscle-images/levator-scapula-muscle...

> >>>>>>> and of course would have not even been possible to even go there, much
> >>>>>>> less traverse back to the right after exiting to go towards the right
> >>>>>>> shoulder of JBC.

> >>>>>> No the bullet did not have to go right up exit to strike JBC in the
> >>>>>> right side of his back. JBC was not directly in front of JFK and he
> >>>>>> was rotated to his right which would move the entrance wound on his
> >>>>>> back leftward.

> >>>>> The angle from the Sniper's Nest was right to left, not straightforward.
> >>>>> If it were to pass JFK's throat on the left side, right looking at him
> >>>>> from the front, you would have to move JBC much further in, that the
> >>>>> nominal amount he was moved in.

> >>>> About 12 inches, not the 6 inches some WC defenders claim.

> >>> Quit dancing.  What do you believe?  Are you saying the bullet could
> >>> have entered the back on the right side and come out left of the
> >>> Adam's Apple?

> >> Dancing? Merely pointing out facts.
> >> Of course the bullet could have entered the back about 1-3/4 inches to
> >> the right of the midline on his back just above the scapula and exited
> >> 1/4 inch to the left of midline on his throat.

> >  From that heigth trajectory?  What is there if there is no spine
> > there?

> Again, because the cervical vertebrae are not as wide. What you've been
> seeing are the thoracic verebrae which ARE wider.

> > I think that's why the SBT'ers look to push JBC in as far as they can.

> Some need to push him onto Nellie's lap.

> >>>>>>> Also there are many photographic projections besides what Specter gave
> >>>>>>> that has to do with being erect vs. atilt forward, etc. etc.

> >>>>>> Yes there are and they bolster the SBT.

> >>>>> No, they don't.  They only bolster if it were closer at street level.
> >>>>> Anything as high as the Sniper's Nest would have hit the seat in front
> >>>>> of JFK.

> >>>> Only if there was no deflection.

> >>> That's what I am getting at.  The Specter Pointer is useless unless
> >>> you inject radical change in directions.

> >> The Specter pointer is very useful for 2 reasons. 1. to point out how he
> >> lied and 2. to show that their angle for the SBT does not work.

> > That's true, as Specter's pointer goes off to the right of JFK's neck
> > which disproves what he would want in trying to say the shot would go to
> > the other side of the throat, and the flatness of the pointer could only
> > help someone from firing low, and not the reality of a bullet coming from
> > ahigh, that would have much more of a downward trajectory.

> > CJ

> The angle from the sniper's nest depends on which frame you are talking
> about, from about 22 degrees down to 15 degrees. But never higher than
> 22 degrees.