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Robert Harris
Jun 15, 2013, 6:41:30 PM6/15/13
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This is in reply to mcadams ridiculous challenge that I need to prove that
these men were murdered just prior to scheduled testimonies in which they
could have talked about the mob's role in the JFK case, or (in Roselli's
case) just after he stated that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald.
Jack Anderson:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAandersonJ.htm
"Anderson interviewed Johnny Roselli just before he was murdered. On 7th
September, 1976, Anderson reported Roselli as saying : 'When Oswald was
picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose
information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have
brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to
eliminate Oswald.'"
A more detailed account of Anderson's interviews with Roselli can be found
in this documentary which Anderson himself produced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbodTKnTjc
Charles Nicoletti:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
"On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
"Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
Assassinations at the time of his death."
Sam Giancana:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgiancana.htm
"In 1975 Frank Church and his Select Committee to Study Governmental
Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities discovered that Judith
Campbell had been involved with both Giancana and John F. Kennedy. It
emerged that during the 1960 presidential election Campbell took messages
from Giancana to Kennedy. Campbell later claimed these messages concerned
the plans to murder Fidel Castro. Kennedy also began an affair with
Campbell and used her as a courier to carry sealed envelopes to Giancana.
He told her they contained "intelligence material" concerning the plot to
kill Castro.
Giancana was now ordered to appear before Church's committee. However,
before he could appear, on 19th June, 1975, Sam Giancana was murdered in
his own home. He had a massive wound in the back of the head. He had also
been shot six times in a circle around the mouth."
http://mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Salvatore_Giancana
"Giancana was shot in the back of the head on 19 June 1975 while frying
Italian sausage and peppers in the basement of his home in Oak Park,
Illinois. After falling, his body was turned over and shot a further six
times in the face and chin. It was believed by investigators that his
murderer was a close friend whom he had let into the house. At the time
he was scheduled to appear before a Senate committee investigating CIA
and Mafia collusion in plots to assassinate Fidel Castro.Giancana was
shot in the back of the head on 19 June 1975 while frying Italian
sausage and peppers in the basement of his home in Oak Park, Illinois.
After falling, his body was turned over and shot a further six times in
the face and chin. It was believed by investigators that his murderer
was a close friend whom he had let into the house. At the time he was
scheduled to appear before a Senate committee investigating CIA and
Mafia collusion in plots to assassinate Fidel Castro."
Undoubtedly, mcadams will try to claim that Giancana's scheduled
testimony before the Church committee had nothing to do with the JFK
assassination, because that committee was primarily tasked with
investigating CIA/mob assassination attempts on Castro. Of course,
anyone who has seriously studied this case knows that Giancana has
always been a suspect and that "Operation Mongoose" has been linked by
numerous researchers to the JFK case. Also, the Church committee had
discovered that Giancana and JFK shared a girlfriend - Judyth Campbell.
The mob would have had no reason to silence Giancana over what he might
say about assassination attempts on Castro. They had every reason to
silence him because of what he might say about the JFK case. And it is
ludicrous to think that the Church committee's investigation did not
spill over into the JFK case.
http://america-most-wanted.blogspot.com/2006/08/sam-giancana.html
"On 22nd November, 1963, President Kennedy was assassinated. Rumours
began to circulate that Giancana and other gang bosses such as Santos
Trafficante, Carlos Marcello, and Johnny Roselli, were involved in the
crime.
In 1975 Frank Church and his Select Committee to Study Governmental
Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities discovered that
Judith Campbell had been involved with both Giancana and John F.
Kennedy. It emerged that during the 1960 presidential election Campbell
took messages from Giancana to Kennedy. Campbell later claimed these
messages concerned the plans to murder Fidel Castro. Kennedy also began
an affair with Campbell and used her as a courier to carry sealed
envelopes to Giancana. He told her they contained "intelligence
material" concerning the plot to kill Castro.
Giancana was now ordered to appear before Church's committee. However,
before he could appear, on 19th June, 1975, Sam Giancana was murdered in
his own home. He had a massive wound in the back of the head. He had
also been shot six times in a circle around the mouth."
Robert Harris
these men were murdered just prior to scheduled testimonies in which they
could have talked about the mob's role in the JFK case, or (in Roselli's
case) just after he stated that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald.
Jack Anderson:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAandersonJ.htm
"Anderson interviewed Johnny Roselli just before he was murdered. On 7th
September, 1976, Anderson reported Roselli as saying : 'When Oswald was
picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose
information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have
brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to
eliminate Oswald.'"
A more detailed account of Anderson's interviews with Roselli can be found
in this documentary which Anderson himself produced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbodTKnTjc
Charles Nicoletti:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
"On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
"Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
Assassinations at the time of his death."
Sam Giancana:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgiancana.htm
"In 1975 Frank Church and his Select Committee to Study Governmental
Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities discovered that Judith
Campbell had been involved with both Giancana and John F. Kennedy. It
emerged that during the 1960 presidential election Campbell took messages
from Giancana to Kennedy. Campbell later claimed these messages concerned
the plans to murder Fidel Castro. Kennedy also began an affair with
Campbell and used her as a courier to carry sealed envelopes to Giancana.
He told her they contained "intelligence material" concerning the plot to
kill Castro.
Giancana was now ordered to appear before Church's committee. However,
before he could appear, on 19th June, 1975, Sam Giancana was murdered in
his own home. He had a massive wound in the back of the head. He had also
been shot six times in a circle around the mouth."
http://mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Salvatore_Giancana
"Giancana was shot in the back of the head on 19 June 1975 while frying
Italian sausage and peppers in the basement of his home in Oak Park,
Illinois. After falling, his body was turned over and shot a further six
times in the face and chin. It was believed by investigators that his
murderer was a close friend whom he had let into the house. At the time
he was scheduled to appear before a Senate committee investigating CIA
and Mafia collusion in plots to assassinate Fidel Castro.Giancana was
shot in the back of the head on 19 June 1975 while frying Italian
sausage and peppers in the basement of his home in Oak Park, Illinois.
After falling, his body was turned over and shot a further six times in
the face and chin. It was believed by investigators that his murderer
was a close friend whom he had let into the house. At the time he was
scheduled to appear before a Senate committee investigating CIA and
Mafia collusion in plots to assassinate Fidel Castro."
Undoubtedly, mcadams will try to claim that Giancana's scheduled
testimony before the Church committee had nothing to do with the JFK
assassination, because that committee was primarily tasked with
investigating CIA/mob assassination attempts on Castro. Of course,
anyone who has seriously studied this case knows that Giancana has
always been a suspect and that "Operation Mongoose" has been linked by
numerous researchers to the JFK case. Also, the Church committee had
discovered that Giancana and JFK shared a girlfriend - Judyth Campbell.
The mob would have had no reason to silence Giancana over what he might
say about assassination attempts on Castro. They had every reason to
silence him because of what he might say about the JFK case. And it is
ludicrous to think that the Church committee's investigation did not
spill over into the JFK case.
http://america-most-wanted.blogspot.com/2006/08/sam-giancana.html
"On 22nd November, 1963, President Kennedy was assassinated. Rumours
began to circulate that Giancana and other gang bosses such as Santos
Trafficante, Carlos Marcello, and Johnny Roselli, were involved in the
crime.
In 1975 Frank Church and his Select Committee to Study Governmental
Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities discovered that
Judith Campbell had been involved with both Giancana and John F.
Kennedy. It emerged that during the 1960 presidential election Campbell
took messages from Giancana to Kennedy. Campbell later claimed these
messages concerned the plans to murder Fidel Castro. Kennedy also began
an affair with Campbell and used her as a courier to carry sealed
envelopes to Giancana. He told her they contained "intelligence
material" concerning the plot to kill Castro.
Giancana was now ordered to appear before Church's committee. However,
before he could appear, on 19th June, 1975, Sam Giancana was murdered in
his own home. He had a massive wound in the back of the head. He had
also been shot six times in a circle around the mouth."
Robert Harris
John McAdams
Jun 15, 2013, 11:10:56 PM6/15/13
to
On 15 Jun 2013 18:41:30 -0400, Robert Harris <bobha...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>This is in reply to mcadams ridiculous challenge that I need to prove that
>these men were murdered just prior to scheduled testimonies in which they
>could have talked about the mob's role in the JFK case, or (in Roselli's
>case) just after he stated that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald.
>
>Jack Anderson:
>
>http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAandersonJ.htm
>
>"Anderson interviewed Johnny Roselli just before he was murdered. On 7th
>September, 1976, Anderson reported Roselli as saying : 'When Oswald was
>picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose
>information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have
>brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to
>eliminate Oswald.'"
>
>A more detailed account of Anderson's interviews with Roselli can be found
>in this documentary which Anderson himself produced.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbodTKnTjc
Where is the part about "going to testify?"
You account says he had *already* been telling tall tales to Jack
Anderson.
It says nothing about any official investigation.
>
>Charles Nicoletti:
>
>http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
>
>"On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
>been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
>died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
>Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
>involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
>
>"Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
>Assassinations at the time of his death."
>
I'm afraid you are going to have to post a better source for the claim
that Nicoletti was supposed to testify to the HSCA.
I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
"Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
It relates to plots against Castro (not the JFK assassination) and has
a source speculating that Nicoletti was killed because of the Castro
plots.
Translation: you have no evidence that he was to ever testify about
the JFK assassination.
So "everybody" knows and "numerous researchers" say something.
Bob, you need evidence, not kook opinions.
>The mob would have had no reason to silence Giancana over what he might
>say about assassination attempts on Castro. They had every reason to
>silence him because of what he might say about the JFK case. And it is
>ludicrous to think that the Church committee's investigation did not
>spill over into the JFK case.
>
>http://america-most-wanted.blogspot.com/2006/08/sam-giancana.html
>
>"On 22nd November, 1963, President Kennedy was assassinated. Rumours
>began to circulate that Giancana and other gang bosses such as Santos
>Trafficante, Carlos Marcello, and Johnny Roselli, were involved in the
>crime.
>
>In 1975 Frank Church and his Select Committee to Study Governmental
>Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities discovered that
>Judith Campbell had been involved with both Giancana and John F.
>Kennedy. It emerged that during the 1960 presidential election Campbell
>took messages from Giancana to Kennedy. Campbell later claimed these
>messages concerned the plans to murder Fidel Castro. Kennedy also began
>an affair with Campbell and used her as a courier to carry sealed
>envelopes to Giancana. He told her they contained "intelligence
>material" concerning the plot to kill Castro.
>
>Giancana was now ordered to appear before Church's committee. However,
>before he could appear, on 19th June, 1975, Sam Giancana was murdered in
>his own home. He had a massive wound in the back of the head. He had
>also been shot six times in a circle around the mouth."
>
You are batting zero, Bob.
And then there is the fact that suspects numero uno and numero dos
(Marcello and Trafficante) lived to an old age.
.John
--------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
wrote:
>This is in reply to mcadams ridiculous challenge that I need to prove that
>these men were murdered just prior to scheduled testimonies in which they
>could have talked about the mob's role in the JFK case, or (in Roselli's
>case) just after he stated that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald.
>
>Jack Anderson:
>
>http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAandersonJ.htm
>
>"Anderson interviewed Johnny Roselli just before he was murdered. On 7th
>September, 1976, Anderson reported Roselli as saying : 'When Oswald was
>picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose
>information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have
>brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to
>eliminate Oswald.'"
>
>A more detailed account of Anderson's interviews with Roselli can be found
>in this documentary which Anderson himself produced.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbodTKnTjc
You account says he had *already* been telling tall tales to Jack
Anderson.
It says nothing about any official investigation.
>
>Charles Nicoletti:
>
>http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
>
>"On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
>been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
>died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
>Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
>involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
>
>"Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
>Assassinations at the time of his death."
>
that Nicoletti was supposed to testify to the HSCA.
I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
"Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
It relates to plots against Castro (not the JFK assassination) and has
a source speculating that Nicoletti was killed because of the Castro
plots.
the JFK assassination.
So "everybody" knows and "numerous researchers" say something.
Bob, you need evidence, not kook opinions.
>The mob would have had no reason to silence Giancana over what he might
>say about assassination attempts on Castro. They had every reason to
>silence him because of what he might say about the JFK case. And it is
>ludicrous to think that the Church committee's investigation did not
>spill over into the JFK case.
>
>http://america-most-wanted.blogspot.com/2006/08/sam-giancana.html
>
>"On 22nd November, 1963, President Kennedy was assassinated. Rumours
>began to circulate that Giancana and other gang bosses such as Santos
>Trafficante, Carlos Marcello, and Johnny Roselli, were involved in the
>crime.
>
>In 1975 Frank Church and his Select Committee to Study Governmental
>Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities discovered that
>Judith Campbell had been involved with both Giancana and John F.
>Kennedy. It emerged that during the 1960 presidential election Campbell
>took messages from Giancana to Kennedy. Campbell later claimed these
>messages concerned the plans to murder Fidel Castro. Kennedy also began
>an affair with Campbell and used her as a courier to carry sealed
>envelopes to Giancana. He told her they contained "intelligence
>material" concerning the plot to kill Castro.
>
>Giancana was now ordered to appear before Church's committee. However,
>before he could appear, on 19th June, 1975, Sam Giancana was murdered in
>his own home. He had a massive wound in the back of the head. He had
>also been shot six times in a circle around the mouth."
>
And then there is the fact that suspects numero uno and numero dos
(Marcello and Trafficante) lived to an old age.
.John
--------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Robert Harris
Jun 16, 2013, 8:57:20 AM6/16/13
to
John McAdams wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2013 18:41:30 -0400, Robert Harris <bobha...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is in reply to mcadams ridiculous challenge that I need to prove that
>> these men were murdered just prior to scheduled testimonies in which they
>> could have talked about the mob's role in the JFK case, or (in Roselli's
>> case) just after he stated that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald.
>>
>> Jack Anderson:
>>
>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAandersonJ.htm
>>
>> "Anderson interviewed Johnny Roselli just before he was murdered. On 7th
>> September, 1976, Anderson reported Roselli as saying : 'When Oswald was
>> picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose
>> information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have
>> brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to
>> eliminate Oswald.'"
>>
>> A more detailed account of Anderson's interviews with Roselli can be found
>> in this documentary which Anderson himself produced.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbodTKnTjc
>
> Where is the part about "going to testify?"
I never said he was going to testify.
> On 15 Jun 2013 18:41:30 -0400, Robert Harris <bobha...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is in reply to mcadams ridiculous challenge that I need to prove that
>> these men were murdered just prior to scheduled testimonies in which they
>> could have talked about the mob's role in the JFK case, or (in Roselli's
>> case) just after he stated that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald.
>>
>> Jack Anderson:
>>
>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAandersonJ.htm
>>
>> "Anderson interviewed Johnny Roselli just before he was murdered. On 7th
>> September, 1976, Anderson reported Roselli as saying : 'When Oswald was
>> picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose
>> information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have
>> brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to
>> eliminate Oswald.'"
>>
>> A more detailed account of Anderson's interviews with Roselli can be found
>> in this documentary which Anderson himself produced.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbodTKnTjc
>
> Where is the part about "going to testify?"
>
> You account says he had *already* been telling tall tales to Jack
> Anderson.
Ruby to kill Oswald. And that's exactly what he said.
>
> It says nothing about any official investigation.
>
>
>>
>> Charles Nicoletti:
>>
>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
>>
>> "On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
>> been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
>> died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
>> Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
>> involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
>>
>> "Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
>> Assassinations at the time of his death."
>>
>
> I'm afraid you are going to have to post a better source for the claim
> that Nicoletti was supposed to testify to the HSCA.
Spartacus or Wikipedia are unreliable. You just don't like what they said.
But if you think they are full of crap, then PROVE IT!
>
> I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
> "Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:
>
> https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
You went to ONE website? John you must be exhausted!!
>
> It relates to plots against Castro (not the JFK assassination) and has
> a source speculating that Nicoletti was killed because of the Castro
> plots.
>
> So "everybody" knows and "numerous researchers" say something.
>
> Bob, you need evidence, not kook opinions.
Robert Harris
John McAdams
Jun 16, 2013, 3:54:06 PM6/16/13
to
On 16 Jun 2013 08:57:20 -0400, Robert Harris <bobha...@yahoo.com>
You claimed a bunch of mobsters were killed right before they were
"scheduled to testify."
Now you are trying to weasel out of that.
>>
>> You account says he had *already* been telling tall tales to Jack
>> Anderson.
>
>I said nothing of the kind. I said he told Anderson that the mob ordered
>Ruby to kill Oswald. And that's exactly what he said.
>
>>
>> It says nothing about any official investigation.
>
>I know. Why don't actually read what I said?
>
I read what you said earlier, when you were claiming that all these
mobsters were "killed right before they were scheduled to testify."
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Charles Nicoletti:
>>>
>>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
>>>
>>> "On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
>>> been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
>>> died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
>>> Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
>>> involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
>>>
>>> "Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
>>> Assassinations at the time of his death."
>>>
>>
>> I'm afraid you are going to have to post a better source for the claim
>> that Nicoletti was supposed to testify to the HSCA.
>
>
>No I'm not. It's not my fault that you have no rebuttal. Neither
>Spartacus or Wikipedia are unreliable. You just don't like what they said.
>
Both are unreliable. Spartacus is essentially a kook site.
You are, de facto, admitting you have no reliable source.
>But if you think they are full of crap, then PROVE IT!
>
Sorry, Bob.
The things you say are not *assumed* to be true unless it it proven
otherwise.
In fact, the things you say about mobsters are assumed to be buff
factoids until you prove them with reliable sources.
>
>>
>> I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
>> "Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:
>>
>> https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
>
>What???
>
>You went to ONE website? John you must be exhausted!!
>
Don't know about Mary Ferrell, do you Bob?
In fact, you don't know what "primary sources" are, do you?
Point me to a *primary source* that says Nicoletti was scheduled to
testify.
What I pointed you to was an HSCA briefing book.
Got something solid to show that Nicoletti was going to be called?
OIC. Even though you have no evidence, you expect readers to decide
that he was really going to be questioned about the JFK assassination.
So you are admitting you have no evidence.
Why are you making assertions without no evidence.
>>
>> So "everybody" knows and "numerous researchers" say something.
>>
>> Bob, you need evidence, not kook opinions.
>
>I think I just got one.
>
You are still batting zero, Bob.
That's what you get thwn you rely on kook websites.
.John
--------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
wrote:
>John McAdams wrote:
>> On 15 Jun 2013 18:41:30 -0400, Robert Harris <bobha...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is in reply to mcadams ridiculous challenge that I need to prove that
>>> these men were murdered just prior to scheduled testimonies in which they
>>> could have talked about the mob's role in the JFK case, or (in Roselli's
>>> case) just after he stated that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald.
>>>
>>> Jack Anderson:
>>>
>>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAandersonJ.htm
>>>
>>> "Anderson interviewed Johnny Roselli just before he was murdered. On 7th
>>> September, 1976, Anderson reported Roselli as saying : 'When Oswald was
>>> picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose
>>> information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have
>>> brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to
>>> eliminate Oswald.'"
>>>
>>> A more detailed account of Anderson's interviews with Roselli can be found
>>> in this documentary which Anderson himself produced.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbodTKnTjc
>>
>> Where is the part about "going to testify?"
>
>I never said he was going to testify.
>
>
You made this post in response to a challenge from me.
>John McAdams wrote:
>> On 15 Jun 2013 18:41:30 -0400, Robert Harris <bobha...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is in reply to mcadams ridiculous challenge that I need to prove that
>>> these men were murdered just prior to scheduled testimonies in which they
>>> could have talked about the mob's role in the JFK case, or (in Roselli's
>>> case) just after he stated that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald.
>>>
>>> Jack Anderson:
>>>
>>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAandersonJ.htm
>>>
>>> "Anderson interviewed Johnny Roselli just before he was murdered. On 7th
>>> September, 1976, Anderson reported Roselli as saying : 'When Oswald was
>>> picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose
>>> information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have
>>> brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to
>>> eliminate Oswald.'"
>>>
>>> A more detailed account of Anderson's interviews with Roselli can be found
>>> in this documentary which Anderson himself produced.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbodTKnTjc
>>
>> Where is the part about "going to testify?"
>
>I never said he was going to testify.
>
>
You claimed a bunch of mobsters were killed right before they were
"scheduled to testify."
Now you are trying to weasel out of that.
>>
>> You account says he had *already* been telling tall tales to Jack
>> Anderson.
>
>I said nothing of the kind. I said he told Anderson that the mob ordered
>Ruby to kill Oswald. And that's exactly what he said.
>
>>
>> It says nothing about any official investigation.
>
>I know. Why don't actually read what I said?
>
mobsters were "killed right before they were scheduled to testify."
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Charles Nicoletti:
>>>
>>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
>>>
>>> "On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
>>> been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
>>> died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
>>> Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
>>> involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
>>>
>>> "Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
>>> Assassinations at the time of his death."
>>>
>>
>> I'm afraid you are going to have to post a better source for the claim
>> that Nicoletti was supposed to testify to the HSCA.
>
>
>No I'm not. It's not my fault that you have no rebuttal. Neither
>Spartacus or Wikipedia are unreliable. You just don't like what they said.
>
You are, de facto, admitting you have no reliable source.
>But if you think they are full of crap, then PROVE IT!
>
The things you say are not *assumed* to be true unless it it proven
otherwise.
In fact, the things you say about mobsters are assumed to be buff
factoids until you prove them with reliable sources.
>
>>
>> I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
>> "Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:
>>
>> https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
>
>What???
>
>You went to ONE website? John you must be exhausted!!
>
In fact, you don't know what "primary sources" are, do you?
Point me to a *primary source* that says Nicoletti was scheduled to
testify.
What I pointed you to was an HSCA briefing book.
Got something solid to show that Nicoletti was going to be called?
that he was really going to be questioned about the JFK assassination.
So you are admitting you have no evidence.
Why are you making assertions without no evidence.
>>
>> So "everybody" knows and "numerous researchers" say something.
>>
>> Bob, you need evidence, not kook opinions.
>
>I think I just got one.
>
That's what you get thwn you rely on kook websites.
.John
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Anthony Marsh
Jun 16, 2013, 4:30:24 PM6/16/13
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fingernail? All that heavy lifting. All those dusty old documents. Oh, the
humanity!
tray...@gmail.com
Jun 16, 2013, 4:32:17 PM6/16/13
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The origins of the mafia-CIA hit team is a topic of interest to me (and
others) and there is confusion as to its birth & development (some of it
in Wikipedia, some in books and some in YouTube videos) Credited with the
birth of this weird, sordid hit team that I have run across include:
President Eisenhower
VP Richard Nixon
Allen Dulles
JFK
RFK
One version of events has Allen Dulles selling the concept to Nixon who
either sold it to Eisenhower or put it together with Howard Hughes behind
Ike's back (take your pick). It then expanded to Johnny Roselli, Sam
Giancana, Santos Trafficante Jr. and the Miami CIA station chief. The
teams included mobster casino strong arm men & CIA operatives & they were
paid with money skimmed from mob casinos from a lawyer's bank account in
Mexico (same bank account that led to Nixon using the CIA to prevent the
FBI from investigating after one of the Watergate burglars was caught with
a check written from that bank account). They were moved around several
training camps in Florida & the gulf coast area & were flown to a ranch in
Mexico owned by someone connected to the Murchinsons.
There is confusion spread on if JFK learned of the mafia-CIA Castro kill
teams and went after them with Federal Marshals & the FBI when his orders
to stand down were ignored or if he let them continue with their mission
under the eyes of RFK.
To date, I am not sure what the true version of events is. Since no
invasion of Cuba took place after JFK's death, if the anti-Castro kill
team was indeed the force behind JFK's attack & death any anticipated or
desired invasion of Cuba failed. Some believe elements of this CIA-mafia
kill team did execute the assassination of JFK as a means of keeping their
training camps operational and also as revenge against JFK/RFK's crackdown
on the camps and the firing of Allen Dulles.
I read somewhere that Sam Giancana's daughter felt her father was bilking
the CIA out of funds and the entire mafia-CIA hit team never existed.
others) and there is confusion as to its birth & development (some of it
in Wikipedia, some in books and some in YouTube videos) Credited with the
birth of this weird, sordid hit team that I have run across include:
President Eisenhower
VP Richard Nixon
Allen Dulles
JFK
RFK
One version of events has Allen Dulles selling the concept to Nixon who
either sold it to Eisenhower or put it together with Howard Hughes behind
Ike's back (take your pick). It then expanded to Johnny Roselli, Sam
Giancana, Santos Trafficante Jr. and the Miami CIA station chief. The
teams included mobster casino strong arm men & CIA operatives & they were
paid with money skimmed from mob casinos from a lawyer's bank account in
Mexico (same bank account that led to Nixon using the CIA to prevent the
FBI from investigating after one of the Watergate burglars was caught with
a check written from that bank account). They were moved around several
training camps in Florida & the gulf coast area & were flown to a ranch in
Mexico owned by someone connected to the Murchinsons.
There is confusion spread on if JFK learned of the mafia-CIA Castro kill
teams and went after them with Federal Marshals & the FBI when his orders
to stand down were ignored or if he let them continue with their mission
under the eyes of RFK.
To date, I am not sure what the true version of events is. Since no
invasion of Cuba took place after JFK's death, if the anti-Castro kill
team was indeed the force behind JFK's attack & death any anticipated or
desired invasion of Cuba failed. Some believe elements of this CIA-mafia
kill team did execute the assassination of JFK as a means of keeping their
training camps operational and also as revenge against JFK/RFK's crackdown
on the camps and the firing of Allen Dulles.
I read somewhere that Sam Giancana's daughter felt her father was bilking
the CIA out of funds and the entire mafia-CIA hit team never existed.
John McAdams
Jun 16, 2013, 5:01:19 PM6/16/13
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On 16 Jun 2013 16:30:24 -0400, Anthony Marsh
What research have you done recently, Tony?
The stuff on the Zapruder film was good, but what since?
You aren't claim that buff factoids are assumed to be true until
proven false, are you?
It doesn't work that way.
Stuff on kook websites is assumed to be false until proven true.
.John
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The stuff on the Zapruder film was good, but what since?
You aren't claim that buff factoids are assumed to be true until
proven false, are you?
It doesn't work that way.
Stuff on kook websites is assumed to be false until proven true.
.John
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Anthony Marsh
Jun 16, 2013, 5:15:04 PM6/16/13
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On 6/15/2013 11:10 PM, John McAdams wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2013 18:41:30 -0400, Robert Harris <bobha...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is in reply to mcadams ridiculous challenge that I need to prove that
>> these men were murdered just prior to scheduled testimonies in which they
>> could have talked about the mob's role in the JFK case, or (in Roselli's
>> case) just after he stated that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald.
>>
>> Jack Anderson:
>>
>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAandersonJ.htm
>>
>> "Anderson interviewed Johnny Roselli just before he was murdered. On 7th
>> September, 1976, Anderson reported Roselli as saying : 'When Oswald was
>> picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose
>> information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have
>> brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to
>> eliminate Oswald.'"
>>
>> A more detailed account of Anderson's interviews with Roselli can be found
>> in this documentary which Anderson himself produced.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbodTKnTjc
>
> Where is the part about "going to testify?"
>
> You account says he had *already* been telling tall tales to Jack
> Anderson.
>
Are you trying to deny that Roselli was part of the CIA program to
> On 15 Jun 2013 18:41:30 -0400, Robert Harris <bobha...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is in reply to mcadams ridiculous challenge that I need to prove that
>> these men were murdered just prior to scheduled testimonies in which they
>> could have talked about the mob's role in the JFK case, or (in Roselli's
>> case) just after he stated that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald.
>>
>> Jack Anderson:
>>
>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAandersonJ.htm
>>
>> "Anderson interviewed Johnny Roselli just before he was murdered. On 7th
>> September, 1976, Anderson reported Roselli as saying : 'When Oswald was
>> picked up, the underworld conspirators feared he would crack and disclose
>> information that might lead to them. This almost certainly would have
>> brought a massive U.S. crackdown on the Mafia. So Jack Ruby was ordered to
>> eliminate Oswald.'"
>>
>> A more detailed account of Anderson's interviews with Roselli can be found
>> in this documentary which Anderson himself produced.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDbodTKnTjc
>
> Where is the part about "going to testify?"
>
> You account says he had *already* been telling tall tales to Jack
> Anderson.
>
assassinate Castro? Have you ever read the Inspector General's Report?
No, I didn't think so.
Or are you saying that Anderson did not know how to check out the
information that Rosselli gave him?
> It says nothing about any official investigation.
>
>
>>
>> Charles Nicoletti:
>>
>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
>>
>> "On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
>> been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
>> died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
>> Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
>> involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
>>
>> "Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
>> Assassinations at the time of his death."
>>
>
> I'm afraid you are going to have to post a better source for the claim
> that Nicoletti was supposed to testify to the HSCA.
>
> I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
> "Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:
>
> https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
>
> It relates to plots against Castro (not the JFK assassination) and has
> a source speculating that Nicoletti was killed because of the Castro
> plots.
>
The HSCA was also investigating the Castro plots to see if any of those
players had connections to the JFK assassination.
said, "Three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
> .John
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> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
Anthony Marsh
Jun 16, 2013, 9:12:01 PM6/16/13
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General's Report. And don't even bother trying to find Jack Anderson's
articles. Too much work. You might break a fingernail or get your hands
all dusty.
Robert Harris
Jun 16, 2013, 9:14:52 PM6/16/13
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I said Nicoletti and Giancana were murdered just before they could
testify.
I said Roselli told Anderson that the mob ordered Ruby to kill Oswald. I
NEVER SAID ROSELLI WAS KILLED JUST BEFORE HE WAS GOING TO TESTIFY.
Would you like me to repeat that twelve more times in the hope that you
will finally get it???
>
>
>
>>>
>>> You account says he had *already* been telling tall tales to Jack
>>> Anderson.
>>
>> I said nothing of the kind. I said he told Anderson that the mob ordered
>> Ruby to kill Oswald. And that's exactly what he said.
>>
>>>
>>> It says nothing about any official investigation.
>>
>> I know. Why don't actually read what I said?
>>
>
> I read what you said earlier, when you were claiming that all these
> mobsters were "killed right before they were scheduled to testify."
speak very specifically.
Why are you playing these ridiculous games?
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Charles Nicoletti:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
>>>>
>>>> "On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
>>>> been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
>>>> died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
>>>> Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
>>>> involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
>>>>
>>>> "Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
>>>> Assassinations at the time of his death."
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm afraid you are going to have to post a better source for the claim
>>> that Nicoletti was supposed to testify to the HSCA.
>>
>>
>> No I'm not. It's not my fault that you have no rebuttal. Neither
>> Spartacus or Wikipedia are unreliable. You just don't like what they said.
>>
>
> Both are unreliable. Spartacus is essentially a kook site.
Prove to everyone exactly how you came to those conclusions.
The fact that you don't like what they say, just doesn't cut it.
>
> You are, de facto, admitting you have no reliable source.
>
>> But if you think they are full of crap, then PROVE IT!
>>
>
> Sorry, Bob.
Robert Harris
John McAdams
Jun 16, 2013, 9:22:31 PM6/16/13
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Buff claims are not considered to be accurate until refuted.
They are treated as unreliable until supported with solid evidence.
.John
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Anthony Marsh
Jun 16, 2013, 9:26:23 PM6/16/13
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you refuse to go to it.
I continue to work on many things.
> You aren't claim that buff factoids are assumed to be true until
> proven false, are you?
>
ad Ignorantiam?
You are talking to the King of shooting down kook factoids, both sides. I
am the only person who has an entire web pages devoted to debunking
Assassination Science. I have the proud distinction of being threatened by
Fetzer. I also protected you from Lisa Pease.
> It doesn't work that way.
>
> Stuff on kook websites is assumed to be false until proven true.
>
choir. Is this part of your Divide and Conquer strategy? Trying to stir up
hatred of me so that the kooks call me a WC defender?
> .John
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> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
Anthony Marsh
Jun 16, 2013, 9:28:05 PM6/16/13
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On 6/16/2013 4:32 PM, tray...@gmail.com wrote:
> The origins of the mafia-CIA hit team is a topic of interest to me (and
> others) and there is confusion as to its birth & development (some of it
> in Wikipedia, some in books and some in YouTube videos) Credited with the
> birth of this weird, sordid hit team that I have run across include:
>
> President Eisenhower
> VP Richard Nixon
> Allen Dulles
> JFK
> RFK
>
> One version of events has Allen Dulles selling the concept to Nixon who
> either sold it to Eisenhower or put it together with Howard Hughes behind
> Ike's back (take your pick). It then expanded to Johnny Roselli, Sam
> Giancana, Santos Trafficante Jr. and the Miami CIA station chief. The
> teams included mobster casino strong arm men & CIA operatives & they were
> paid with money skimmed from mob casinos from a lawyer's bank account in
> Mexico (same bank account that led to Nixon using the CIA to prevent the
> FBI from investigating after one of the Watergate burglars was caught with
> a check written from that bank account). They were moved around several
> training camps in Florida & the gulf coast area & were flown to a ranch in
> Mexico owned by someone connected to the Murchinsons.
>
Because of Eisenhower's health and wanting to protect him from being
> The origins of the mafia-CIA hit team is a topic of interest to me (and
> others) and there is confusion as to its birth & development (some of it
> in Wikipedia, some in books and some in YouTube videos) Credited with the
> birth of this weird, sordid hit team that I have run across include:
>
> President Eisenhower
> VP Richard Nixon
> Allen Dulles
> JFK
> RFK
>
> One version of events has Allen Dulles selling the concept to Nixon who
> either sold it to Eisenhower or put it together with Howard Hughes behind
> Ike's back (take your pick). It then expanded to Johnny Roselli, Sam
> Giancana, Santos Trafficante Jr. and the Miami CIA station chief. The
> teams included mobster casino strong arm men & CIA operatives & they were
> paid with money skimmed from mob casinos from a lawyer's bank account in
> Mexico (same bank account that led to Nixon using the CIA to prevent the
> FBI from investigating after one of the Watergate burglars was caught with
> a check written from that bank account). They were moved around several
> training camps in Florida & the gulf coast area & were flown to a ranch in
> Mexico owned by someone connected to the Murchinsons.
>
personally involved. Nixon was the action officer in charge of getting
rid of Castro.
> There is confusion spread on if JFK learned of the mafia-CIA Castro kill
> teams and went after them with Federal Marshals & the FBI when his orders
> to stand down were ignored or if he let them continue with their mission
> under the eyes of RFK.
>
actually three, but you are not allowed to know about the third.
First were the guerrilla raids and sabotage. Operation Mongoose was a
direct result of the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion.
The raids were to shut down the Cuban exile training camps of the CIA.
It had nothing to do with assassination plots. In fact the leaders and
planners of the Bay of Pigs invasion had no idea that there were even
assassination plans.
JFK learned of the Castro plots from his brother who had read about it
in the newspaper. RFK was incensed that the CIA was using the exact same
Mafia dons that he was trying to put in prison.
> To date, I am not sure what the true version of events is. Since no
> invasion of Cuba took place after JFK's death, if the anti-Castro kill
the Castro assassination plans.
> team was indeed the force behind JFK's attack & death any anticipated or
> desired invasion of Cuba failed. Some believe elements of this CIA-mafia
> kill team did execute the assassination of JFK as a means of keeping their
> training camps operational and also as revenge against JFK/RFK's crackdown
> on the camps and the firing of Allen Dulles.
>
> I read somewhere that Sam Giancana's daughter felt her father was bilking
> the CIA out of funds and the entire mafia-CIA hit team never existed.
>
John McAdams
Jun 16, 2013, 9:44:46 PM6/16/13
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On 16 Jun 2013 17:15:04 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Of course I knew that, but what's the point?
He was not "scheduled to testify."
>Or are you saying that Anderson did not know how to check out the
>information that Rosselli gave him?
>
More likely, didn't bother.
Remember, he was a columnist.
If an actual WASHINGTON POST reporter had been assigned to the story,
he would most likely have tried to check it out.
But there is no evidence that Anderson did anything other than repeat
what he had been told.
>> It says nothing about any official investigation.
>>
>
>Wikipedia does, but you refuse to read that.
>
About Roselli?
Then quote it.
And *then,* provide some reliable evidence that this is true.
>>
>>>
>>> Charles Nicoletti:
>>>
>>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
>>>
>>> "On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
>>> been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
>>> died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
>>> Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
>>> involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
>>>
>>> "Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
>>> Assassinations at the time of his death."
>>>
>>
>> I'm afraid you are going to have to post a better source for the claim
>> that Nicoletti was supposed to testify to the HSCA.
>>
>> I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
>> "Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:
>>
>> https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
>>
>> It relates to plots against Castro (not the JFK assassination) and has
>> a source speculating that Nicoletti was killed because of the Castro
>> plots.
>>
>
>He didn't claim what Nicoletti was going to say in his testimony.
>The HSCA was also investigating the Castro plots to see if any of those
>players had connections to the JFK assassination.
>
Then produce some evidence that he was going to be called to testify.
I thought you were the big HSCA guy. If he was going to testify,
there should be a witness list that shows him on it.
It's not on Mary Ferrell, but maybe you know where it is. If so,
produce it.
.John
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He was not "scheduled to testify."
>Or are you saying that Anderson did not know how to check out the
>information that Rosselli gave him?
>
Remember, he was a columnist.
If an actual WASHINGTON POST reporter had been assigned to the story,
he would most likely have tried to check it out.
But there is no evidence that Anderson did anything other than repeat
what he had been told.
>> It says nothing about any official investigation.
>>
>
>Wikipedia does, but you refuse to read that.
>
Then quote it.
And *then,* provide some reliable evidence that this is true.
>>
>>>
>>> Charles Nicoletti:
>>>
>>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
>>>
>>> "On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
>>> been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
>>> died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
>>> Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
>>> involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
>>>
>>> "Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
>>> Assassinations at the time of his death."
>>>
>>
>> I'm afraid you are going to have to post a better source for the claim
>> that Nicoletti was supposed to testify to the HSCA.
>>
>> I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
>> "Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:
>>
>> https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
>>
>> It relates to plots against Castro (not the JFK assassination) and has
>> a source speculating that Nicoletti was killed because of the Castro
>> plots.
>>
>
>He didn't claim what Nicoletti was going to say in his testimony.
>The HSCA was also investigating the Castro plots to see if any of those
>players had connections to the JFK assassination.
>
I thought you were the big HSCA guy. If he was going to testify,
there should be a witness list that shows him on it.
It's not on Mary Ferrell, but maybe you know where it is. If so,
produce it.
.John
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David Von Pein
Jun 16, 2013, 10:42:28 PM6/16/13
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W. ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
Remind everyone again who had a sign on the wall behind his desk that
said, "Three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
I think that axiom should be changed to: "Three people can keep a
secret, but only if all three of them are dead."
Because isn't the whole idea behind that slogan/axiom the belief that
NOBODY can really keep a secret? But in the version where only 2 of
the 3 people are dead, you're still left with one living person to
spill the beans. And all it takes is that one blabbermouth to reveal
the secret.
So the general idea behind that axiom is driven home with more force
and power if all three people are deceased (preferably killed by
members of the JFK conspiracy's Goon Squad). Then nobody is left to
tell the world that Kennedy was murdered by the Rotary Club of Pierre,
South Dakota (with assistance from every CIA agent who ever stepped
foot in Washington). :-)
Anthony Marsh
Jun 17, 2013, 5:00:29 PM6/17/13
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On 6/16/2013 10:42 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> W. ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
>
> Remind everyone again who had a sign on the wall behind his desk that
> said, "Three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
>
> DAVID ROBERT VON PEIN SAID:
>
> I think that axiom should be changed to: "Three people can keep a
> secret, but only if all three of them are dead."
>
I didn't invent it. Talk to Ben.
>
> W. ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
>
> Remind everyone again who had a sign on the wall behind his desk that
> said, "Three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
>
> DAVID ROBERT VON PEIN SAID:
>
> I think that axiom should be changed to: "Three people can keep a
> secret, but only if all three of them are dead."
>
Is anything ever a secret if ANYONE knows about it?
> Because isn't the whole idea behind that slogan/axiom the belief that
> NOBODY can really keep a secret? But in the version where only 2 of
> the 3 people are dead, you're still left with one living person to
> spill the beans. And all it takes is that one blabbermouth to reveal
> the secret.
>
confesses?
> So the general idea behind that axiom is driven home with more force
> and power if all three people are deceased (preferably killed by
> members of the JFK conspiracy's Goon Squad). Then nobody is left to
> tell the world that Kennedy was murdered by the Rotary Club of Pierre,
> South Dakota (with assistance from every CIA agent who ever stepped
> foot in Washington). :-)
>
Anthony Marsh
Jun 17, 2013, 5:02:15 PM6/17/13
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> He was not "scheduled to testify."
>
>
>> Or are you saying that Anderson did not know how to check out the
>> information that Rosselli gave him?
>>
>
> More likely, didn't bother.
>
> Remember, he was a columnist.
>
> If an actual WASHINGTON POST reporter had been assigned to the story,
> he would most likely have tried to check it out.
>
> But there is no evidence that Anderson did anything other than repeat
> what he had been told.
>
>
>>> It says nothing about any official investigation.
>>>
>>
>> Wikipedia does, but you refuse to read that.
>>
>
> About Roselli?
>
> Then quote it.
>
> And *then,* provide some reliable evidence that this is true.
>
Is that what you call a level playing field?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Charles Nicoletti:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnicoletti.htm
>>>>
>>>> "On 29th March, 1977, Charles Nicoletti was murdered in Chicago. He had
>>>> been shot three times in the back of the head. George De Mohrenschildt
>>>> died the same day. Both men were due to appear before the Select House
>>>> Committee on Assassinations where they were to be asked about their
>>>> involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nicoletti
>>>>
>>>> "Nicoletti was due to appear before the House Select Committee on
>>>> Assassinations at the time of his death."
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm afraid you are going to have to post a better source for the claim
>>> that Nicoletti was supposed to testify to the HSCA.
>>>
>>> I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
>>> "Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:
>>>
>>> https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
>>>
>>> It relates to plots against Castro (not the JFK assassination) and has
>>> a source speculating that Nicoletti was killed because of the Castro
>>> plots.
>>>
>>
>> He didn't claim what Nicoletti was going to say in his testimony.
>> The HSCA was also investigating the Castro plots to see if any of those
>> players had connections to the JFK assassination.
>>
>
> Then produce some evidence that he was going to be called to testify.
>
> I thought you were the big HSCA guy. If he was going to testify,
> there should be a witness list that shows him on it.
>
Anthony Marsh
Jun 17, 2013, 5:02:29 PM6/17/13
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> Buff claims are not considered to be accurate until refuted.
>
> They are treated as unreliable until supported with solid evidence.
>
Wikipedia it is solid evidence. If I cite Wikipedia it is a kook site.
> .John
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> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
John Fiorentino
Jun 17, 2013, 8:24:54 PM6/17/13
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.John said................
"I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
"Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:"
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
My only comment here is that for whatever reason .John has missed quite a
bit. Nicoletti gets a multitude of hits on Mary Ferrell.
John F.
"Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:51bf664c$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
"I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
"Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:"
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
bit. Nicoletti gets a multitude of hits on Mary Ferrell.
John F.
"Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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John McAdams
Jun 17, 2013, 8:32:38 PM6/17/13
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On 17 Jun 2013 20:24:54 -0400, "John Fiorentino"
witness, he should show up there.
There are a very large number of FBI files on Nicoletti.
.John
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<jefior...@optimum.net> wrote:
>.John said................
>
>"I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
>"Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:"
>
>https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
>
>My only comment here is that for whatever reason .John has missed quite a
>bit. Nicoletti gets a multitude of hits on Mary Ferrell.
>
I searched *only* the HSCA files. If he was going to be called as a
>.John said................
>
>"I searched the HSCA section of the Mary Ferrell Archive for
>"Nicoletti" and all that came up is this:"
>
>https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=488752
>
>My only comment here is that for whatever reason .John has missed quite a
>bit. Nicoletti gets a multitude of hits on Mary Ferrell.
>
witness, he should show up there.
There are a very large number of FBI files on Nicoletti.
.John
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John Fiorentino
Jun 17, 2013, 9:37:53 PM6/17/13
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.John:
Some of the HSCA files are still sealed.
John F.
"John McAdams" <john.m...@marquette.edu> wrote in message
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Some of the HSCA files are still sealed.
John F.
"John McAdams" <john.m...@marquette.edu> wrote in message
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John McAdams
Jun 17, 2013, 9:50:37 PM6/17/13
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On 17 Jun 2013 21:37:53 -0400, "John Fiorentino"
Do you have a link or sourc on that?
You might be right, although not much is still classified.
.John
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Do you have a link or sourc on that?
You might be right, although not much is still classified.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John Fiorentino
Jun 17, 2013, 10:17:43 PM6/17/13
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Yeah, somewhere .John. I'll need a little time though.
I'm still looking for the Nicoletti stuff on the chance that Blakey can't
remember.
news:36fvr89hlf88vu7rp...@4ax.com...
I'm still looking for the Nicoletti stuff on the chance that Blakey can't
remember.
news:36fvr89hlf88vu7rp...@4ax.com...
John Fiorentino
Jun 17, 2013, 10:18:52 PM6/17/13
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Also there were several HSCA files, which were still withheld in full the
last time I checked dealing with handwriting analysis on LHO's warrant
checks.
However, I found an FBI report dated 12/2/63 I believe which indicated
that they couldn't positively id the endorsement on the 9/23/63 warrant
check, which is the one I am concerned with.
So, it's a little confusing. I just need some time to sort it out.
news:36fvr89hlf88vu7rp...@4ax.com...
last time I checked dealing with handwriting analysis on LHO's warrant
checks.
However, I found an FBI report dated 12/2/63 I believe which indicated
that they couldn't positively id the endorsement on the 9/23/63 warrant
check, which is the one I am concerned with.
So, it's a little confusing. I just need some time to sort it out.
news:36fvr89hlf88vu7rp...@4ax.com...
John McAdams
Jun 17, 2013, 10:30:23 PM6/17/13
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On 17 Jun 2013 22:18:52 -0400, "John Fiorentino"
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/search.html
Looking for "Submitting Agency" as HSCA, some documents come up as
"POSTPONED IN FULL."
.John
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<jefior...@optimum.net> wrote:
>Also there were several HSCA files, which were still withheld in full the
>last time I checked dealing with handwriting analysis on LHO's warrant
>checks.
>
I did an "expert search" here:
>Also there were several HSCA files, which were still withheld in full the
>last time I checked dealing with handwriting analysis on LHO's warrant
>checks.
>
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/search.html
Looking for "Submitting Agency" as HSCA, some documents come up as
"POSTPONED IN FULL."
.John
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John Fiorentino
Jun 17, 2013, 11:09:40 PM6/17/13
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Yes, I meant postponed, but six of one and a half dozen of the
other............................ ;-)
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other............................ ;-)
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tray...@gmail.com
Jun 18, 2013, 9:58:57 AM6/18/13
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Thank you for the ind words, Professor McAdams!
The Zapruder stuff I posted as an incentive to younger eyes than mine to
look into the various allegations leveled against that visual evidence.
As far as the assassination goes, I would like to see more scientific
visuals presented to the public to show them if the alleged TSBD sniper
had enough clearance to hit JFK in the head at Z-313. It would have been a
matter of an inch or two to get over the windshield of the SS follow-up
car & the guards on the running boards. I personally believe JFK was hit
in the head earlier than z313 (that's in one of those videos) but I wasn't
there to witness it.
I believe the JFK Reloaded game animations are the best visuals on looking
at the assassination from various angles. A question of scaling accuracy
is almost always brought up when dealing with animations. If you look at
the Z-313 scene in that game from the TSBD sniper's line of sight you
should see not much (if any clearance to shoot JFK in the back of the head
at that point. The bullet would have missed hitting the 2 guards on the
right running board by a minute amount if there was clearance.
The Elm Street roadway, I understand, is now built up several inches and a
question of accuracy can be questioned against any new re-enactments done
now or in the future.
I've never had a problem with one shooter in the TSBD sniper's nest having
pulled this terrorist attack off solo, in fact, after studying the
scenario as filmed by the SS in late 1964 and the game animation one can
easily see that 1 person, if quick enough could have easily shot both the
President & Vice President as JFK's parade car was about to be blocked
from the Elm Street divider tree or as it came back into view. All that
was needed was to make the 1st shot (JFK or LBJ), quickly move the carbine
left or right after re-cocking it and fire again. The pause between the
1st shot and the last two suggests to me the shooter was aiming at LBJ and
abandoned that effort (perhaps because LBJ's guard reacted too quickly and
pounced on him).
Can you imagine what a modern day,dedicated, anti-US terrorist would give
for an opportunity to inflict harm on the President & Vice President in
the blink of an eye? This was the opportunity that existed for the TSBD
sniper 22 Nov 1963.
In the future, if others don't beat me to it first, I may put some scenes
up on YouTube from JFK reloaded to help show the assassination from
different perspectives. That game is more accurate than Dale Meyers
because in almost all animated scenes the SS guards and their follow-up
vehicle are included. Dale Meyers left them out of his animations & that
fact has caused some to question his motives. In fact, leaving the SS
guards out of the attack re-enactments is something that began with the SS
re-enactment film of late 1964 and has continued thru the TV
documentaries. The producers need to keep things the way they were before,
during and after the attack if they expect credibility.
The HSCA determined that there was an assassin behind the fence on the
knoll that shot at JFK and missed. If people believe this are "kooks" then
so must be the government entity that told the global public this
determination? Until the government rescinds or re-issues a new report, in
essence the government is silently saying you have our permission to me a
"kook"
(lol)
best to you now & in your future, Professor...
The Zapruder stuff I posted as an incentive to younger eyes than mine to
look into the various allegations leveled against that visual evidence.
As far as the assassination goes, I would like to see more scientific
visuals presented to the public to show them if the alleged TSBD sniper
had enough clearance to hit JFK in the head at Z-313. It would have been a
matter of an inch or two to get over the windshield of the SS follow-up
car & the guards on the running boards. I personally believe JFK was hit
in the head earlier than z313 (that's in one of those videos) but I wasn't
there to witness it.
I believe the JFK Reloaded game animations are the best visuals on looking
at the assassination from various angles. A question of scaling accuracy
is almost always brought up when dealing with animations. If you look at
the Z-313 scene in that game from the TSBD sniper's line of sight you
should see not much (if any clearance to shoot JFK in the back of the head
at that point. The bullet would have missed hitting the 2 guards on the
right running board by a minute amount if there was clearance.
The Elm Street roadway, I understand, is now built up several inches and a
question of accuracy can be questioned against any new re-enactments done
now or in the future.
I've never had a problem with one shooter in the TSBD sniper's nest having
pulled this terrorist attack off solo, in fact, after studying the
scenario as filmed by the SS in late 1964 and the game animation one can
easily see that 1 person, if quick enough could have easily shot both the
President & Vice President as JFK's parade car was about to be blocked
from the Elm Street divider tree or as it came back into view. All that
was needed was to make the 1st shot (JFK or LBJ), quickly move the carbine
left or right after re-cocking it and fire again. The pause between the
1st shot and the last two suggests to me the shooter was aiming at LBJ and
abandoned that effort (perhaps because LBJ's guard reacted too quickly and
pounced on him).
Can you imagine what a modern day,dedicated, anti-US terrorist would give
for an opportunity to inflict harm on the President & Vice President in
the blink of an eye? This was the opportunity that existed for the TSBD
sniper 22 Nov 1963.
In the future, if others don't beat me to it first, I may put some scenes
up on YouTube from JFK reloaded to help show the assassination from
different perspectives. That game is more accurate than Dale Meyers
because in almost all animated scenes the SS guards and their follow-up
vehicle are included. Dale Meyers left them out of his animations & that
fact has caused some to question his motives. In fact, leaving the SS
guards out of the attack re-enactments is something that began with the SS
re-enactment film of late 1964 and has continued thru the TV
documentaries. The producers need to keep things the way they were before,
during and after the attack if they expect credibility.
The HSCA determined that there was an assassin behind the fence on the
knoll that shot at JFK and missed. If people believe this are "kooks" then
so must be the government entity that told the global public this
determination? Until the government rescinds or re-issues a new report, in
essence the government is silently saying you have our permission to me a
"kook"
(lol)
best to you now & in your future, Professor...
Anthony Marsh
Jun 18, 2013, 1:52:37 PM6/18/13
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On 6/18/2013 9:58 AM, tray...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thank you for the ind words, Professor McAdams!
>
> The Zapruder stuff I posted as an incentive to younger eyes than mine to
> look into the various allegations leveled against that visual evidence.
>
> As far as the assassination goes, I would like to see more scientific
> visuals presented to the public to show them if the alleged TSBD sniper
> had enough clearance to hit JFK in the head at Z-313. It would have been a
> matter of an inch or two to get over the windshield of the SS follow-up
> car & the guards on the running boards. I personally believe JFK was hit
> in the head earlier than z313 (that's in one of those videos) but I wasn't
> there to witness it.
>
I have no idea what you are babbling about.
> Thank you for the ind words, Professor McAdams!
>
> The Zapruder stuff I posted as an incentive to younger eyes than mine to
> look into the various allegations leveled against that visual evidence.
>
> As far as the assassination goes, I would like to see more scientific
> visuals presented to the public to show them if the alleged TSBD sniper
> had enough clearance to hit JFK in the head at Z-313. It would have been a
> matter of an inch or two to get over the windshield of the SS follow-up
> car & the guards on the running boards. I personally believe JFK was hit
> in the head earlier than z313 (that's in one of those videos) but I wasn't
> there to witness it.
>
The DPD shooter had no problem hitting the sandbags on the ground near
Z-313 from the sniper's nest.
Frazier took photos through the rifle's scope and the only problem was
the oak tree blocking early shots.
> I believe the JFK Reloaded game animations are the best visuals on looking
> at the assassination from various angles. A question of scaling accuracy
> is almost always brought up when dealing with animations. If you look at
> the Z-313 scene in that game from the TSBD sniper's line of sight you
> should see not much (if any clearance to shoot JFK in the back of the head
> at that point. The bullet would have missed hitting the 2 guards on the
> right running board by a minute amount if there was clearance.
>
> The Elm Street roadway, I understand, is now built up several inches and a
> question of accuracy can be questioned against any new re-enactments done
> now or in the future.
>
> I've never had a problem with one shooter in the TSBD sniper's nest having
> pulled this terrorist attack off solo, in fact, after studying the
> scenario as filmed by the SS in late 1964 and the game animation one can
> easily see that 1 person, if quick enough could have easily shot both the
> President & Vice President as JFK's parade car was about to be blocked
> from the Elm Street divider tree or as it came back into view. All that
> was needed was to make the 1st shot (JFK or LBJ), quickly move the carbine
> left or right after re-cocking it and fire again. The pause between the
> 1st shot and the last two suggests to me the shooter was aiming at LBJ and
> abandoned that effort (perhaps because LBJ's guard reacted too quickly and
> pounced on him).
>
The 5-second pause was because the RIFLE jammed.
> Can you imagine what a modern day,dedicated, anti-US terrorist would give
> for an opportunity to inflict harm on the President & Vice President in
> the blink of an eye? This was the opportunity that existed for the TSBD
> sniper 22 Nov 1963.
>
a Muslim.
> In the future, if others don't beat me to it first, I may put some scenes
> up on YouTube from JFK reloaded to help show the assassination from
> different perspectives. That game is more accurate than Dale Meyers
> because in almost all animated scenes the SS guards and their follow-up
> vehicle are included. Dale Meyers left them out of his animations & that
> fact has caused some to question his motives. In fact, leaving the SS
Ever see the diagrams in Mortal Error?
> guards out of the attack re-enactments is something that began with the SS
> re-enactment film of late 1964 and has continued thru the TV
> documentaries. The producers need to keep things the way they were before,
> during and after the attack if they expect credibility.
>
condition. The acoustic test in 1978 could not be perfect because of
changes made since 1963.
tray...@gmail.com
Jun 18, 2013, 4:35:02 PM6/18/13
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I was directing my response to Professor McAdams. Do you normally respond
for the Professor or are you him?
Although you appear to enjoy antagonizing posters, yet without them you
have no purpose in life, do you?
The rifle has been widely reported for decades as a carbine. Also as a
rifle. Also as a POS.
The SS & FBI reenactments were not accurate or historically correct.
Besides the missing guards, the stand in for JFK was in a different
vehicle than one he was attacked in with different dimensions. The photos
taken through the scope were good if someone wanted to see what it looked
like if the sniper was shooting at one of JFK's rear guards.
Have you solved the assassination, Mr. Marsh? If so, why do so many people
believe in a conspiracy that may or may not have involved Lee Oswald? What
was Judith Exner carrying back & forth from JFK to Sam Giancana & why? Was
Oswald a part of Futherance?
Just what is your take on the assassination and do you want the entire
website to yourself and Professor McAdams to chat back & forth? If so,
consider me gone...
best
for the Professor or are you him?
Although you appear to enjoy antagonizing posters, yet without them you
have no purpose in life, do you?
The rifle has been widely reported for decades as a carbine. Also as a
rifle. Also as a POS.
The SS & FBI reenactments were not accurate or historically correct.
Besides the missing guards, the stand in for JFK was in a different
vehicle than one he was attacked in with different dimensions. The photos
taken through the scope were good if someone wanted to see what it looked
like if the sniper was shooting at one of JFK's rear guards.
Have you solved the assassination, Mr. Marsh? If so, why do so many people
believe in a conspiracy that may or may not have involved Lee Oswald? What
was Judith Exner carrying back & forth from JFK to Sam Giancana & why? Was
Oswald a part of Futherance?
Just what is your take on the assassination and do you want the entire
website to yourself and Professor McAdams to chat back & forth? If so,
consider me gone...
best
Anthony Marsh
Jun 18, 2013, 11:30:56 PM6/18/13
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On 6/18/2013 4:35 PM, tray...@gmail.com wrote:
> I was directing my response to Professor McAdams. Do you normally respond
> for the Professor or are you him?
>
> Although you appear to enjoy antagonizing posters, yet without them you
> have no purpose in life, do you?
>
Not all posters. Just people like you.
> I was directing my response to Professor McAdams. Do you normally respond
> for the Professor or are you him?
>
> Although you appear to enjoy antagonizing posters, yet without them you
> have no purpose in life, do you?
>
> The rifle has been widely reported for decades as a carbine. Also as a
> rifle. Also as a POS.
>
corrected you. Oswald ORDERED a Carbine as per the ad in Klein's.
But Klein's had run out of carbines and sent him a short rifle instead.
I am not going to bore you with the technical details.
In most cases the difference is negligible, With the Carcano the
difference COULD be significant.
> The SS & FBI reenactments were not accurate or historically correct.
as it was being bulletproofed.
> Besides the missing guards, the stand in for JFK was in a different
> vehicle than one he was attacked in with different dimensions. The photos
> taken through the scope were good if someone wanted to see what it looked
> like if the sniper was shooting at one of JFK's rear guards.
>
looked at his drawing of the limousine and the Queen Mary?
> Have you solved the assassination, Mr. Marsh? If so, why do so many people
> believe in a conspiracy that may or may not have involved Lee Oswald? What
diffentiate between a plot including Oswald and one excluding him.
Some polls have.
I don't know if you were born by then, but back in 1978 the HSCA said it
was a conspiracy and Oswald was one of the shooters. So did Hoover.
So did LBJ. So did the CIA.
Hoover and LBJ thought that Oswald was a hitman hired by Fidel Castro.
The CIA thought that Oswald was a KGB trained assassin being run by the
head of KGB assassinations in the West.
> was Judith Exner carrying back & forth from JFK to Sam Giancana & why? Was
> Oswald a part of Futherance?
>
Oswald could not possibly be a part of Furtherance. Why was Flagplot
CC'ed on Oswald's activities?
> Just what is your take on the assassination and do you want the entire
> website to yourself and Professor McAdams to chat back & forth? If so,
> consider me gone...
>
> best
>
defenders. You are posting on a Usenet newsgroup. Anyone is allowed to
post here. BYE. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
>
Hard to figure out what you mean when you refuse to quote properly. Is
this your first time on the Internet? Do you understand what a thread is?
No, I have not solved the JFK assassination. There is still a lot of work
to be done. I have solved various pieces of the puzzle. Why do you think
my Web page is called The Puzzle Palace?
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