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Anthony Marsh  
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 More options Nov 8 2012, 5:18 pm
Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk
From: Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net>
Date: 8 Nov 2012 17:18:56 -0500
Local: Thurs, Nov 8 2012 5:18 pm
Subject: Re: Mannlicher Carcano Carbine
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On 11/7/2012 10:14 PM, John Fiorentino wrote:

> Claviger: Bill Clarke and all:

> While I'm not trying to make a case for others involvement in the
> assassination, nor for the rifle, it was quite sufficient for the job.

Oswald's rifle was not sufficient for an assassination. He missed a
stationary target at 120 feet. The scope was defective and damaged. The
iron sights were fixed and preset for 200 meters so a perfect aim at a
point 270 feet away would send the bullet to a point 5-6 inches about the
point of aim. That is not what I call accuracy.

> The results of course is the evident fact that JFK is quite dead.

The fact that Oswald's rifle was defective and caused the shooter to
miss is what necessitated the insurance shot from the grassy knoll,
which revealed the conspiracy.

> The MC Rifle has had many critics, and yet was used extensively for many
> years, and there are many variants of the:

Yeah, it was used while they knew it was a piece of junk and phasing it
out for a better model.

> "Fucile di Fanteria Mod. 91/38"  which is the correct name.

Maybe if you are an Italian. We are Americans.

> Re: the ammo::: The small bore cartridges seem to have a long list of
> advantages, as flatness of trajectory, outstanding penetration at
> distance, less weight, less recoil, smaller dimensions, and less
> material required in production.

None of that is true.

> So, all in all not really a bad weapon for the purpose.

Good enough to cause Italy to lose the war.
As Dave Emary said:

  6.5 mm Carcanos were equipped with a wide variety of sights. Early model
M91 series rifles had adjustable sights with a fixed battle zero sight.
Most models of rifles made just before or during WWII had fixed sights.
The exception to this was the M41 model. From a user standpoint the WWII
era Carcano's sights are the model of effectiveness and simplicity. The
early model M91 version rifles with the fixed battle sight being at 300
meters was probably not the greatest decision but reflected the trend of
that time. With this sight setting the rifles would have a maximum height
of trajectory of approximately 15"-17" at a range of 175 to 200 yards,
depending on barrel length. I suspect more than one Austrian soldiers life
was spared in WWI because someone shot over his head.

> The ammo of course is an even more *interesting* issue that I am still
> looking into.

Diameter. I have three different brands of ammo, each with a different
bullet diameter. Which one shoots better, the 0.256, 0.264, or 0.268?
> John F.

> "claviger" <historiae.fi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5ff1cb4b-cb08-4046-b63a-e2ebbc1dba14@3g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 7, 12:11 pm, Bill Clarke <Bill_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <d2dd8d5a-46f1-473d-a46d-13223c79a...@y8g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>,
>> claviger says...

>> >MANNLICHER CARCANO CARBINE
>> >http://www.vincelewis.net/mannlichercarcano.html- 17k - similar
>> >pagesOct 5, 2012 ... Originally issued to the Italian army, it was an
>> >ideal, light weight and ... Below, on the left is shown the Mannlicher
>> >Carcano 6.5mm bullet and on the right a ... but too much oil then
>> >attracts sand and dirt particles that can only ...

>> >Shooting the "Other" 6.5mm's
>> >http://www.chuckhawks.com/other_6-5mm.htm- 17k - similar pagesThe
>> >6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer, 6.5x52 Carcano and 6.5x50 Arisaka ... So
>> >long as the hunter does his part with regard to proper bullet
>> >placement ... 6mm Remington and .257 Roberts, which are limited to
>> >bullets weighing 87 to 120 grains. ... all their reports and all
>> >insist it to be a much more reliable load than the .30-30.

>> I think we need to remember that while a 160 grain bullet may be better
>> for killing a bear it certainly isn't required to kill a man, as the 55
>> grain M-16 round was to later clearly demonstrate.

>> For the range Oswald was shooting he would have been much better off with
>> a Winchester or Remington bolt rifle in .243 or .257 shooting a 100 grain
>> bullet.

>> Bill Clarke

> Agreed.  Only a rank amateur would attempt an assassination with a
> military surplus rifle.  A pro would make sure they had the right kind
> of rifle for a hit on such an important target.


 
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