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Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk
From: "John Fiorentino" <jefiorent...@optimum.net>
Date: 14 Nov 2012 22:39:27 -0500
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2012 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: Arlen Specter dies
Speer says........."You're just making that up."
I say................
You need to do more research especially as it pertains to human anatomy.
If you think I just made it up, it's because you didn't read and Try picking on some people who are still alive, ok Speer?
John F.
On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:50:09 PM UTC-8, John Fiorentino wrote:
You're just making that up. The wound was indisputably in the shoulder,
> Speer: > If the bullet entered above the clavicula as it appears then YES that is
> STILL considered the NECK by those of us who actually know what we're
> talking about.
inches below the base of the neck. Although the top few inches of the shoulders are above the bottom of the neck in the front, NO ONE calls the shoulders the back of the neck. Here are some definitions found online:
neck
Definition of NECK
neck
neck
and here's one from a medical dictionary, in case you think the standard
Definition of Neck
Neck: The part of the body joining the head to the shoulders.
Get it? The neck ENDS at the shoulders. Period.
> You and Baden should get together. You both seem to have much in common.
> The only thing I can agree with you on is the ammunition used, which you
> alluded to in another post.
> Not that it relates to the wound we are discussing however, just in
> general. (Something I'm still looking into)
> BTW Your stuff is still coming to my inbox.
> John F.
> "pjspe...@AOL.COM" <pjspe...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:f4a268af-39ae-467f-a779-094dec3d571b@googlegroups.com...
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:45:43 AM UTC-8, John Fiorentino wrote:
> > Yes, Speer, I believe him.
> Are you joking? You believe that the wound shown in the autopsy photos is
> at "the top of the prominent roll of soft tissue across the back of
> President Kennedy's neck" Seriously? If so, can you please show us where
> on Kennedy's body the "back of the neck" ends and "the back" begins?
> As far as "cites," Lattimer wrote but one article for Medical Times in
> 1974. Here it is: ""The Kennedy--Connally One Bullet Theory: Further
> Circumstantial and Experimental Evidence." "Medical Times," November, 1974
> (and Gary Lattimer and Jon Lattimer).
> > And Please provide cites (specific cites that is) when making > > John F.
> > "pjspe...@AOL.COM" <pjspe...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:31608ba2-fb45-4d51-8d5c-acfec272735e@googlegroups.com...
> > On Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:00:21 AM UTC-8, John Fiorentino wrote:
> > > I'll repost this........
> > > Your attacks on the now deceased Dr. John K. Lattimer are scurrilous > > > without merit.
> > > As with most assassination critics you get things about 1/2 right and
> > > embellish the rest with the fairy dust of incomprehension.
> > > I can assure you that the path of the bullet through JFK was DOWNWARD
> > > irrespective of Baden's "anatomic position" crapola.
> > You can assure me no such thing. Besides, that's not the point. My beef
> > with Lattimer is not that he said the path was downward but that he said
> > it was sharply downward, and that the grossly inaccurate Rydberg > > presented a much shallower trajectory than the actual trajectory as
> > demonstrated by the autopsy photos and x-rays. It seems clear to me he > > lying.
> > In 1974, after viewing the autopsy photos, after all, he'd told Medical
> > Times the bullet "had entered the top of the prominent roll of soft > > across the back of President Kennedy's neck..."
> > Now, you've seen the autopsy photos. You were even given one by Belin. > > the bullet wound on Kennedy's back, or "at the top of a roll of soft
> > tissue across the back of Kennedy's neck"? Inquiring minds want to know.
> > Now, do you believe him?
> > > Lattimer conducted all of his experiments with honesty and integrity.
> > > John F.
> > > "pjspe...@AOL.COM" <pjspe...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:5e884a2f-f1f2-41cc-a492-c3fd482fdd9a@googlegroups.com...
> > > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:59:19 AM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
> > > > Pat,
> > > > > No, I am pointing out that the official conclusion of the last
> > > > > medical
> > > > > panel to study this matter was that the bullet went upwards in
> > > > > Kennedy's
> > > > > body. They explained this by suggesting he'd been leaning forward
> > > > > when
> > > > > struck. The HSCA determined, however, that he was struck when he
> > > > > wasn't
> > > > > leaning over to the degree the medical panel indicated. It is an
> > > > > historical FACT, then, that the conclusions of the HSCA forensic
> > > > > pathology
> > > > > panel are at odds with the single-assassin conclusion offered up > > > > > both
> > > > > the HSCA, and the Lattimerites and Posnerites that followed.
> > > > > Historians
> > > > > will notice this, even if today's single-bullet theorists will > > > > You have me confused. There are only 3 possible choices for the
> > > > trajectory of the bullet that entered the back of President Kennedy.
> > > > Either it was a downward trajectory as the WCR and HSCA concluded, a
> > > > flat trajectory from street level, or an upward trajectory.
> > > Not true. You are assuming the bullet exited the throat. I see no > > > to assume that. The wound as described does not fit the description of > > > wound created by a high-velocity bullet.
> > > > Where could the last possibly come from? Only a ricochet could do
> > > > that.
> > > > JFK like any normal human being has a curve in his upper back,
> > > > although his appears more pronounced. If you study the profile > > > > I provided to Squinty you can see what I mean. The human spine is a
> > > > long S-curve. The lower part is concave (Lumbar curve) and the > > > > part is convex (Thoratic curve) and the neck is a slight concave > > > > (Cervical curve). The medical names for these curves are Kyphosis > > > > Lordosis.
> > > > Thoracic Spine Anatomy, Spine Curves: Kyphosis and Lordosis
> > > > http://www.eorthopod.com/content/thoracic-spine-anatomy
> > > > "From the side, the spine forms three curves. The neck, called the
> > > > cervical spine, curves slightly inward. The thoracic spine curves
> > > > outward. The low back, also called the lumbar spine, curves slightly
> > > > inward. An inward curve in the spine is called lordosis. An outward
> > > > curve, as in the thoracic spine, is called kyphosis. The kyphosis is
> > > > shaped like a "C" with the opening in front."
> > > > The bottom of the human throat is well below the top of the back as
> > > > these illustrations demonstrate:
> > > > File: Gray1195.png Human neck
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray1195.png
> > > > FIG. 1194? Anterolateral view of head and neck.
> > > > http://education.yahoo.com/reference/gray/illustrations/figure?id=1194
> > > > FIG. 1195? Front view of neck.
> > > > http://education.yahoo.com/reference/gray/illustrations/figure?id=1195
> > > > Muscular system (Male view)
> > > > http://www.innerbody.com/anatomy/muscular-male
> > > > Posterior Male view
> > > > http://www.innerbody.com/anatomy/muscular-male-posterior
> > > > Muscles of Chest and Upper Back
> > > > http://www.innerbody.com/anatomy/muscular/upper-torso-male
> > > > The human neck extends from the external occipital protuberance down
> > > > to the bump at C7/T1. Sitting normally as he was at the time,
> > > > approximately 6-8 inches of the curved part of his upper back is > > > > the seat cushion. His shirt collar is approximately a 45? downward
> > > > angle from back to front. All this geometry proves the upper back is
> > > > higher than the lower throat.
> > > > http://schools-wikipedia.org/images/572/57284.png.htm
> > > > http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/4/40/Photo_jfkl-01_0001-AR-824...
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