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On 9/30/2012 4:01 PM, Sandy McCroskey wrote:
> On 9/29/12 9:54 PM, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 9/29/2012 4:32 PM, Sandy McCroskey wrote:
>>> On 9/28/12 4:33 PM, Richard Ferguson wrote:
>>>
>>>  >snip<
>>>
>>>> It's a
>>>> fact that Kennedy bounced off the back seat after he was shot.  I tried
>>>> looking at the film frame by frame and couldn't see his head move
>>>> forward
>>>> after the shot.
>>>
>>> You need to compare frame 312, just before he was shot, to frame 313,
>>> right after he was shot. He has continued to move forward. Whether any
>>> added impetus to his already commenced forward motion can be attributed
>>> to the bullet may harder to determine, but what is clear is that the
>>> impact of the bullet did not move him backward (not that the mere impact
>>> of a bullet could have done that anyway).
>>>
>>> /sandy
>>
>>
>> No, you need to compare all the frames from Z-300 to Z-320.
>>
>
> Frames 312 and 313 are quite sufficient to show that the bullet's
> striking between them did not move JFK backward.
>
> If the impact of the bullet (or its explosion "a nanosecond" after
> impact, in your wacky theory) was ever going to reverse JFK's forward
> motion, it would have done it already.
>

Ok, Mr. Ballistics expert, tell me exactly how many milliseconds it 
takes for an explosive bullet to explode.

>
>> You are committing the Fallacy of False Cause by only looking at two
>> frames and assuming they are the only ones relevant to what caused the
>> motion.
>> No one argues that the IMPACT of the bullet moves his whole body
>> backward. That is a straw man argument.
>
> Utter bullshit.
> That was the "back and to the left" mantra in a nutshell, that the
> direction the body moved indicated the direction of the bullet.
>

No. Straw Man Argument.

> Now, a neuromuscular reaction caused by the bullet, or some such
> internal after-effect, could move the body, and in fact I believe that's
> what happened. But the motion of the body as a result of a spasm
> indicates *nothing* about the direction of the bullet.
>
>> And yet some WC defenders try to argue that just the IMPACT of a bullet
>> threw his head forward violently.
>
> The two motions are quite different: a perceptible increase in momentum
> of the head's motion (how "violent" is that?) versus the whole upper
> body's jerking backward. To say that accepting the possibility of the
> former entails accepting the possibility of the latter is a gross
> fallacy indeed.
>
> It bespeaks desperation.
>
> /sm