>>From: Martin Shackelford msh...@concentric.net

>>You keep saying that "Martin won't allow it"--that's just nonsense.
>>Lifton has asked JUDYTH to sign a release--the only person who can.
>>Inconvenient for you, I know, but facts are facts.

>>Martin

>You're not fooling anyone, Martin.

>Dave

>>>>From: Martin Shackelford msh...@concentric.net

>>> [...]

>>> David Lifton's opinion

>>>>(based on a single phone call) become "as David Lifton has pointed
>>>>out"--again, an opinion is cited as evidence.

>>> This seems an odd objection given the fact that Lifton has offered to
>>> release a tape-recorded interview with Judyth to substantiate his opinions
>>> about her, but Martin will not allow it:

>>> <QUOTE ON>------------------------------------

>>> Subject: Lifton's challenge to Shackelford
>>> From: "David S. Lifton" dlif...@earthlink.net
>>> Date: 8/27/03 2:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>> Message-id: <vkq0ol91m0o...@corp.supernews.com>

>>> [...]

>>> Now to the main point: Why don't you and Platzman, your cohort, use your
>>> connections with that looney tunes, Judyth, for explicit written
>>> permission to put the tape on the Internet. Then everyone can listen to
>>> it, from Saginaw to Timbuktu, and we can all decide on Judyth's
>>> credibility.

>>> I think it would be most enlightening for all concerned just what this
>>> lady sounds like as she gets up a head of verbal steam, and goes through
>>> her paces. Hint hint: she ain't no Seabiscuit (and she certainly ain't War
>>> Admiral).

>>> C'mon Shack. . .do your shuffle. . let's get a signed release from Judyth
>>> to post her entire March, 2000 conversation with David Lifton --not just
>>> the sentence about Cancun, but everything--on the Internet, and then we
>>> can all listen this raving lunatic and assess her credibility.

>>> Now that's what I call "getting real."

>>> Want to go for it?

>>> Truth or dare?

>>> DSL

>>> <QUOTE OFF>-----------------------------------

>>> <QUOTE ON>------------------------------------

>>> From: Martin Shackelford <msh...@concentric.net>
>>> Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk,alt.conspiracy.jfk
>>> Subject: Re: Lifton's challenge to Shackelford
>>> Date: 28 Aug 2003 22:14:36 -0500

>>> The main point? Asking us to obtain legal cover for you to present you
>>> with the opportunity to escape the consequences of perhaps illegally
>>> tape-recording a telephone call? If you wanted cover, you should have
>>> gotten it by acting in a principled manner--no sign of that, though.

>>> That's what you call "getting real"? Covering your questionable behavior?
>>> No thanks, David. You're on your own.

>>> Martin