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In article <509be0f...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>
>On 11/7/2012 10:14 PM, John Fiorentino wrote:
>> Claviger: Bill Clarke and all:
>>
>> While I'm not trying to make a case for others involvement in the
>> assassination, nor for the rifle, it was quite sufficient for the job.
>>
>
>Oswald's rifle was not sufficient for an assassination.

How do you claim that?  It damn sure worked.

 He missed a 
>stationary target at 120 feet. The scope was defective and damaged.

You don't know if this damage was before Oswald killed JFK or after the 
cops dropped it.

 The 
>iron sights were fixed and preset for 200 meters so a perfect aim at a 
>point 270 feet away would send the bullet to a point 5-6 inches about the 
>point of aim. That is not what I call accuracy.

You haven't a clue about what makes an accurate rifle.  And again you 
fudge the mid range height which even Ben Holmes knows is 4 inched.  Now 
Marsh, find the mid point of the back of your head and measure up 4 
inches.  The bullet still blows the top of your head off doesn't it?  
Same same as Dallas that day.


>
>> The results of course is the evident fact that JFK is quite dead.
>>
>
>The fact that Oswald's rifle was defective and caused the shooter to 
>miss is what necessitated the insurance shot from the grassy knoll, 
>which revealed the conspiracy.

Yes indeed, the grassy knoll.  Sure.

>> The MC Rifle has had many critics, and yet was used extensively for many
>> years, and there are many variants of the:
>>
>
>Yeah, it was used while they knew it was a piece of junk and phasing it 
>out for a better model.
>
>> "Fucile di Fanteria Mod. 91/38"  which is the correct name.
>>
>
>Maybe if you are an Italian. We are Americans.
>
>> Re: the ammo::: The small bore cartridges seem to have a long list of
>> advantages, as flatness of trajectory, outstanding penetration at
>> distance, less weight, less recoil, smaller dimensions, and less
>> material required in production.
>>
>
>None of that is true.

Actually a good bit of it is true.  Do you know why our military went to 
the .223 round?


>> So, all in all not really a bad weapon for the purpose.
>>
>
>Good enough to cause Italy to lose the war.
>As Dave Emary said:

I doubt that is what caused Italy to lose the war.

>  6.5 mm Carcanos were equipped with a wide variety of sights. Early model 
>M91 series rifles had adjustable sights with a fixed battle zero sight. 
>Most models of rifles made just before or during WWII had fixed sights. 
>The exception to this was the M41 model. From a user standpoint the WWII 
>era Carcano's sights are the model of effectiveness and simplicity. The 
>early model M91 version rifles with the fixed battle sight being at 300 
>meters was probably not the greatest decision but reflected the trend of 
>that time. With this sight setting the rifles would have a maximum height 
>of trajectory of approximately 15"-17" at a range of 175 to 200 yards, 
>depending on barrel length. I suspect more than one Austrian soldiers life 
>was spared in WWI because someone shot over his head.
>
>> The ammo of course is an even more *interesting* issue that I am still
>> looking into.
>>
>
>Diameter. I have three different brands of ammo, each with a different 
>bullet diameter. Which one shoots better, the 0.256, 0.264, or 0.268?

The 0.268.

Bill Clarke