A New Theory: John Glenn & Alan Shepard Had JFK Killed

[David Von Pein]

I'd never heard this loony theory before today:

http://www.amazon.com/jfk-conspiracy/forum/Fx1PW7HP0SZ0SAA/TxEJXJ27L490J3/1/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&asin=0805096663&cdMsgID=Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI&cdMsgNo=1&cdSort=oldest#Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI

[Robert Harris]

David Von Pein wrote:
>
> I'd never heard this loony theory before today:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/jfk-conspiracy/forum/Fx1PW7HP0SZ0SAA/TxEJXJ27L490J3/1/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&asin=0805096663&cdMsgID=Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI&cdMsgNo=1&cdSort=oldest#Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI
>
>

Yes of course, David. All those loony conspiracy guys believe this stuff.

But instead of going after the weakest conspiracy arguments, why don't
you ramp it up a bit and take on some issues that aren't at all loony -
at least from the conspiracy side:-)

Let's talk about whether it was possible for Oswald to have fired all
the shots that day.

Are you up for that?




Robert Harris

[Ace Kefford]

A good one even though a joke (I hope). But even if it were sincere, I don't think any theory can beat the "Capeman" theory of I believe a Mr. Thomson (George?).

[Jason Burke]

On 10/25/2012 2:12 PM, Robert Harris wrote:
> David Von Pein wrote:
>>
>> I'd never heard this loony theory before today:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/jfk-conspiracy/forum/Fx1PW7HP0SZ0SAA/TxEJXJ27L490J3/1/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&asin=0805096663&cdMsgID=Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI&cdMsgNo=1&cdSort=oldest#Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yes of course, David. All those loony conspiracy guys believe this stuff.
>
> But instead of going after the weakest conspiracy arguments, why don't
> you ramp it up a bit and take on some issues that aren't at all loony -
> at least from the conspiracy side:-)

When a non-loony conspiracy theory comes along, I'm sure Mr. Von Pein
will respond to it.

Unfortunately, *you* never seem to come up with one.

Despite all the 12-year-old AOL smileys.

[Robert Harris]

David?



Robert Harris

[Robert Harris]

Jason Burke wrote:
> On 10/25/2012 2:12 PM, Robert Harris wrote:
>> David Von Pein wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd never heard this loony theory before today:
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/jfk-conspiracy/forum/Fx1PW7HP0SZ0SAA/TxEJXJ27L490J3/1/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&asin=0805096663&cdMsgID=Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI&cdMsgNo=1&cdSort=oldest#Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes of course, David. All those loony conspiracy guys believe this stuff.
>>
>> But instead of going after the weakest conspiracy arguments, why don't
>> you ramp it up a bit and take on some issues that aren't at all loony -
>> at least from the conspiracy side:-)
>
> When a non-loony conspiracy theory comes along, I'm sure Mr. Von Pein
> will respond to it.

Actually, David already responded to it. He said the reactions were
caused by the inertia of Bill Greer slowing the limo, causing the
passengers to be thrown forward.

But after I proved to him that the slowdown began *after* the reactions,
he changed his pitch. He claimed that there were no reactions and that
it was a figment of my overactive imagination:-)

Interested lurkers can view those reactions in this very short video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GH5pGQy6yI

And for a more detailed explanation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv7Lz25Xyno


Robert Harris

[David Von Pein]

>>> "David?" <<<

[DVP does his "Rochester Van Jones" imitation:]

Yesssssss, bossssssssss!

http://old-time-radio-shows.blogspot.com/2011/06/jack-benny.html

[/Rochester off.]

Bob Harris wants to rehash this stuff yet again, I see. (Boy, I'll bet
John McAdams and Peter Fokes are sick of this redundancy.)

But, lucky for me, I save almost everything I write to my own websites
for future reference (and CT laughs), so I'll repeat my thoughts yet
again....and then we'll have Bob bark back at me, as usual, that I
haven't addressed the issue at hand. ~sigh~

From 2009:

"Once more we're treated to Bob Harris' unique subjective look at
things. In Harris' world, everything seems to revolve around his
fictitious missed shot at exactly Z285 of the Zapruder Film. In Bob's
one-sided "Z285 world", there isn't even the slightest possibility that
what we're seeing in the Z-Film just after frame #285 could be the
limousine's occupants behaving in ways that might NOT indicate that they
were each hearing a gunshot at precisely Z285. In Bob's "Z285" world, the
movements of Nellie Connally and Jacqueline Kennedy couldn't POSSIBLY be
the movements and actions of two women who, just 3.33 seconds prior to
Z285, heard a gunshot being fired from Lee Oswald's gun on the sixth floor
of the Book Depository....with that single gunshot resulting in the
husbands of both of those women being wounded by the same bullet....with
the two women then reacting in a perfectly normal fashion by LEANING IN
toward their respective wounded spouses. The above scenario is simply
IMPOSSIBLE in the Z285 world of Robert Harris. Go figure.

[...]

"Once again, Mr. Harris is assigning ludicrous levels of ASSUMED AND
PRESUMED SPOT-ON ACCURACY to the statements of certain Dealey Plaza
witnesses. We're only talking about a fraction more than THREE SECONDS IN
REAL TIME between the time of the actual second shot fired (by Oswald at
Z224) and Bob Harris' make-believe missed shot at Z285. 3.3 seconds, Bob!!
That's all. Anything you attribute to a missed shot at precisely Z285 can
just as easily be attributed to Oswald's real second shot at Z224. The
difference in real time is negligible. But to Bob "Z285" Harris, 3.3
seconds is an amount of time that can be dissected and sliced to absolute
perfection in the minds and testimony of EVERY SINGLE LIMO OCCUPANT. Can
you say "That's ridiculous"? I sure can when talking about this silly
"Z285" subject that Bob Harris loves so much." -- DVP; December 1, 2009

Full post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0a581746c27b7a2f

[Anthony Marsh]

On 10/26/2012 7:01 PM, Robert Harris wrote:
> Jason Burke wrote:
>> On 10/25/2012 2:12 PM, Robert Harris wrote:
>>> David Von Pein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd never heard this loony theory before today:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/jfk-conspiracy/forum/Fx1PW7HP0SZ0SAA/TxEJXJ27L490J3/1/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&asin=0805096663&cdMsgID=Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI&cdMsgNo=1&cdSort=oldest#Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes of course, David. All those loony conspiracy guys believe this
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> But instead of going after the weakest conspiracy arguments, why don't
>>> you ramp it up a bit and take on some issues that aren't at all loony -
>>> at least from the conspiracy side:-)
>>
>> When a non-loony conspiracy theory comes along, I'm sure Mr. Von Pein
>> will respond to it.
>
> Actually, David already responded to it. He said the reactions were
> caused by the inertia of Bill Greer slowing the limo, causing the
> passengers to be thrown forward.
>

I'd like to see where "David" said that. Doesn't sound like David von
Peine. It sounds more like David Wimp who gave a presentation about this
at the Wecht conference. DVP calls me a kook when I say that all the
occupants were thrust forward by the limo slowing down suddenly.

> But after I proved to him that the slowdown began *after* the reactions,
> he changed his pitch. He claimed that there were no reactions and that
> it was a figment of my overactive imagination:-)
>

No, you didn't.

[David Von Pein]

>>> "Actually, David already responded to it. He said the reactions were
caused by the inertia of Bill Greer slowing the limo, causing the
passengers to be thrown forward." <<<

I'm going to need Robert to cite me saying any such thing, because I don't
think I ever have.

[David Von Pein]

>>> "...David von Peine [sic]..." <<<

LOL. Cute, Tony.

I must admit, THAT deliberate misspelling tickled ol' DVP's funny bone.

[Anthony Marsh]

I think he was talking about David von Peine, not you. Or maybe David Wimp.

[Jason Burke]

On 10/26/2012 4:01 PM, Robert Harris wrote:
> Jason Burke wrote:
>> On 10/25/2012 2:12 PM, Robert Harris wrote:
>>> David Von Pein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd never heard this loony theory before today:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/jfk-conspiracy/forum/Fx1PW7HP0SZ0SAA/TxEJXJ27L490J3/1/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&asin=0805096663&cdMsgID=Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI&cdMsgNo=1&cdSort=oldest#Mx1HLXNPLZ0GMDI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes of course, David. All those loony conspiracy guys believe this
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> But instead of going after the weakest conspiracy arguments, why don't
>>> you ramp it up a bit and take on some issues that aren't at all loony -
>>> at least from the conspiracy side:-)
>>
>> When a non-loony conspiracy theory comes along, I'm sure Mr. Von Pein
>> will respond to it.
>
> Actually, David already responded to it. He said the reactions were
> caused by the inertia of Bill Greer slowing the limo, causing the
> passengers to be thrown forward.
>
> But after I proved to him that the slowdown began *after* the reactions,
> he changed his pitch. He claimed that there were no reactions and that
> it was a figment of my overactive imagination:-)

Yes, that overactive imagination is what we all expect from you.
Not to mention the childish smileys.