"It was not just a single shooter," says Dr. Robert McClelland

[Peter Fokes]

http://www.scntx.com/articles/2012/01/28/news_update/7891.txt



Peter Fokes
Toronto

[Raymond]

"It was not just a single shooter," says Dr. Robert McClelland

But men are men; the best sometimes forget.
--- William Shakespeare

[Anthony Marsh]

Is this the same Dr. McLellan who said that the entrance wound was in
the left temple and the exit wound was in the rear of the head?

I am also confused about when these speeches were given. According to
the article:

Published: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:27 PM CST
Almost 39 years later, mystery still surrounds the assassination of
former President John F. Kennedy.

Guess my calculator is broken.
2012
- 39
_____

1973

So Kennedy was assassinated in 1973 and the mystery has remained for
39 years?

They probably sent out a reporter who wasn't even born in 1963 and his
editor was in diapers in 1963.

[Squinty Magoo]

Okay, the story starts out "Almost 39 years later, mystery still

surrounds the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy."

Um, isn't it almost 49 years? What a blunder.

Squinty Magoo

[bigdog]

If his beliefs were based on what he saw in the ER, his opinions might be
worth talking about. When he mentioned Ed Hoffman, he became a joke. This
guy is just another CT with a theory. We have enough of those here.

[doctorw]

On Jan 28, 11:01 pm, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com> wrote:

Thanks Mr. Fokes.

Among several articles, there is also this from very recently where
Dr. Donald Miller writes that he worked with Dr. Perry.

In private, Dr. Perry, again, re-affirmed that JFK's neck front wound
was made by the entrance of a projectile:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller34.1.html

What Kerouac, Kennedy, Lincoln, and Practicing Medicine Have Taught Me
About Liberty

by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

(9-3-10)

QUOTE

...

Dr. Malcolm Perry performed the tracheostomy on President Kennedy at
Parkland hospital after he was shot. Dr. Perry and I worked together for a
time in the 1970s when he came to Seattle and joined the University of
Washington surgical faculty. Knowing my interest in the Kennedy
assassination, he reaffirmed to me that the bullet hole in Kennedy's neck
(through which he performed the tracheostomy) was a wound of entrance.
This means that an assassin in front of the limousine shot the president,
which contradicts the Warren Commission's lone-assassin scenario, where
Oswald is said to have fired all of the bullets from behind the limousine.
Dr. Perry said it was a wound of entrance in an unambiguous fashion, three
times, at a news conference on November 22, 1963 after Kennedy died. In
his testimony before the Warren Commission, however, Dr. Perry
equivocated, saying that the bullet wound in the neck might well have been
a wound of exit.

As revealed in Probe (Vol. 4, No. 3, pp. 20—21), a Secret Service agent
named Elmer Moore, functioning as a liaison for the Warren Commission, was
placed in charge of the Dallas doctors' testimony. One of his assignments
seems to have been to "reason" with Dr. Perry and talk him out of his
original statement (and thus not raise any questions about there being an
assassin in front of Kennedy).

...

END QUOTE

[Anthony Marsh]

On 1/29/2012 2:28 PM, Raymond wrote:
> On Jan 28, 11:01 pm, Peter Fokes<pfo...@rogers.com> wrote:
>> http://www.scntx.com/articles/2012/01/28/news_update/7891.txt
>>
>> Peter Fokes
>> Toronto
>
>
> "It was not just a single shooter," says Dr. Robert McClelland
>

Based on what? Seeing the throat wound and thinking it MUST be an
entrance?

[David Von Pein]

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/05/robert-mcclelland.html

[Canuck]

Dr. Perry's description of the neck wound was repeated in an article
that appeared in the Dec. 14, 1963 issue of Sat. Eve. Post. Dr.
Carrico, who also later moved to Seattle to work at the UW, described
it as a "small penetrating wound" in a Nov. 22 medical report.
Subsequently, LIFE magazine, which had purchased the Zapruder film,
included an article by Paul Mandel (who died in 1965 in the thirties)
in which he stated that, based on having observed the "8 millimeter
film", that it showed "the President turning his body far around to
the right as he waves to someone in the crowd. His throat is exposed
- towards the sniper's nest, just before he clutches it." LIFE has
published that article four times so far without any correction (since
clearly JFK did not turn around and couldn't have, given that he was
wearing an Ace bandage to support his lower back): in their Dec. 6,
1963 issue; in their Memorial Edition a week later; in a republication
of that issue in Nov. 1988, as well as on Nov. 2003. Chances are it
will make a return appearance again in Nov. 2013.
- Peter R. Whitmey (former UW student, 1962-67)

[Peter Fokes]

On 29 Jan 2012 21:49:27 -0500, Squinty Magoo <magoos...@msn.com>
wrote:

That error did not get by this editor:

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2012/jan/30/dallas-surgeon-recounts-jfk-operation/

>
>Squinty Magoo


PF

[bigdog]

> - Peter R. Whitmey (former UW student, 1962-67)- Hide quoted text -
>

Dr. Perry probably accurately described the appearance of the wound but he
was not qualified to determine whether it was an entrance or an exit.
That's not an ER doctor;s job. His job is to keep the guy who got shot
from dying, something that was impossible with JFK. When he fails in his
task, it's somebody else's job to cut up the body and figure out whether
bullet holes are entrances or exits. The December 1963 Life article was
simply somebody's guess based on Perry's faulty assumption. At that point
nobody had figured out how the shooting actually went down. That took
months of analysis and in the end, the WC got it right. Everything prior
to that was guesswork, and not very good guesswork. It makes no sense to
impeach the findings of the WC because Life magazine published some
earlier misinformation.

[Anthony Marsh]

Yes, that's what I mean about CIA assets in the Media.
BTW, in addition to the Ace bandage JFK was wearing a back brace, a
tight corset.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 1/29/2012 11:14 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/05/robert-mcclelland.html
>

The user hosting this
content is out of bandwidth.
If this is your file please upgrade to add more bandwidth credits to
your account. Call Sales at 1-877-729-4269 for more information.

[tom...@cox.net]

There "Worst" Jokes are those who talk about this case without ever having
read the evidence/testimony in the 26 volums like all of the lone nutters.




bigdog <jecorb...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Anthony Marsh]

On 1/29/2012 11:14 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/05/robert-mcclelland.html
>

RealPlayer Downloader (q.v.) will capture the file.

Heart beat, blood pressure, breathing when admitted.
Jenkins is the one who started the rumor about a bullet wound
in the left temple.
McClelland didn't see it himself.

[John McAdams]

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:01:31 -0500, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com>
wrote:

>http://www.scntx.com/articles/2012/01/28/news_update/7891.txt
>
>

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/opinions.htm#mcclelland

I link to an article on McClelland that shows him having been suckered
by some very silly stuff.

<Quote on>

He explains that too many things don’t add up. Doctors at Parkland
reported seeing the president’s body put into a coffin with a blanket
over it. But that it somehow got into a body bag by the time it got to
Washington. He says he’s from East Texas and has seen enough deer
hunting to know a body moves in the direction of the bullet. That the
president moved backward because he was shot from the front.

He mentions an odd phone call the operator at the emergency room got
when Oswald was in surgery. Someone claiming to be from the White
House inquired about Oswald’s condition. He talks about a British
documentarian’s theory that three hitmen flew from Corsica to
Marseille to Mexico City and drove across the border and up to Dallas
to murder the president.

<Quote off>

.John

--
The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

[Anthony Marsh]

>>> As revealed in Probe (Vol. 4, No. 3, pp. 20?21), a Secret Service agent

How much lead time did LIFE normally need for such an issue to be written?
We know that they had to redo and break the casts for the first issue
after the assassination.

[Canuck]

It was obviously "disinformation", since JFK did not turn around as
Paul Mandel stated! - prw

[Anthony Marsh]

On 1/29/2012 11:14 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/05/robert-mcclelland.html
>

McClelland related a story I had not heard before. Supposedly when he had
dinner with Ed Hoffman at a JFK Lancer conference Hoffman told him that
when he attended a Thanksgiving dinner a week after the assassination he
told his story to his uncle who just happened to be a Lieutenant on the
Dallas Police force and his uncle told him that he should keep quiet or
someone might want to kill him.

[Anthony Marsh]

Except that unlike you he was actually there treating the President.

[David Von Pein]

>>> "The user hosting this content is out of bandwidth..." <<<

My Box account is always out of bandwidth, Tony. I've complained to
Box.net (now Box.com) about it, because I know that it's being eaten up by
an automated robot of some kind every month, instead of being used by real
people.

But you don't need to download any of my embedded "Box.com" audio/ video
files to play them. Just press the Play button and it will stream right on
the webpage.

You CAN listen to that McClelland interview by just hitting PLAY on your
computer, can't you Tony? You'd better be able to, or else I'm going to be
very ticked off, because it will mean that all of my "Box" files are
essentially worthless (except for the 1st of every month, which is pretty
much the only day I have any bandwidth at all, since the bots eat it all
up in less than 36 hours).

Let me know if you can play these files below, Tony:

http://www.box.com/shared/7n9bertqjo

http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/12/dr-robert-mcclelland.html

http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2009/11/jfk-assassination-radio-tv.html

[Pamela Brown]

He also ran with a wild story on the limo.

[Pamela Brown]

He also is prone to exaggerate and self-aggrandize, but don't let that
bother you.

[Anthony Marsh]

I think he believed every book he read and every conspiracy show he saw.
Corsicans? How old is that?

[Ramon F. Herrera]

> http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2009/11/jfk-assassination-radio-tv....


I heard the McClelland interview, several times, from home and office,
and had no trouble whatsoever.

I just tried you additional links and all work perfectly.

-Ramon

[Anthony Marsh]

On 1/30/2012 11:57 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
>>>> "The user hosting this content is out of bandwidth..."<<<
>
> My Box account is always out of bandwidth, Tony. I've complained to
> Box.net (now Box.com) about it, because I know that it's being eaten up by
> an automated robot of some kind every month, instead of being used by real
> people.
>

Yes, but you haven't been able to identify the source of the bot or the
reason for the attacks.

> But you don't need to download any of my embedded "Box.com" audio/ video
> files to play them. Just press the Play button and it will stream right on
> the webpage.
>

My point was and remains that most users would not know how to SAVE the
file. I told them the way to do it, RealPlayer Downloader, which some
people may not even know about.

> You CAN listen to that McClelland interview by just hitting PLAY on your
> computer, can't you Tony? You'd better be able to, or else I'm going to be
> very ticked off, because it will mean that all of my "Box" files are
> essentially worthless (except for the 1st of every month, which is pretty
> much the only day I have any bandwidth at all, since the bots eat it all
> up in less than 36 hours).
>

I didn't say they were useless. They would be more useful if you had a
way to automatically transcribe them. Comcast has a program to
automatically convert voicemail into e-mail.

> Let me know if you can play these files below, Tony:
>
> http://www.box.com/shared/7n9bertqjo
>
> http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/12/dr-robert-mcclelland.html
>

I think the fact that I already commented on the McClelland interview
means that I was able to listen to it.

> http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2009/11/jfk-assassination-radio-tv.html
>

[David Von Pein]

>>> "I heard the McClelland interview, several times, from home and office, and had no trouble whatsoever. I just tried you[r] additional links and all work perfectly." <<<

Thank you, Ramon, for that info. I appreciate it.

I despise dead links on my sites. I hate broken links worse than CTers
hate the letters "SBT". (And that's a lot of hate.)

:-)

[David Von Pein]

>>> "I didn't say they were useless. They would be more useful if you had a way to automatically transcribe them." <<<

LOL. Well, EXCUUUUUUSE ME for omitting the all-important "automatic
transcription", Tony.

I should be shot in the stomach with Ruby's .38 for that terrible
oversight.

:-)


>>> "I think the fact that I already commented on the McClelland interview means that I was able to listen to it [via the streaming audio file embedded on DVP's webpage]." <<<

No, not at all. And that's because you also told us that you were able
to download it via RealPlayer Downloader (which is, indeed, a great
downloading tool; I use it all the time).

Therefore, I got the impression that you first downloaded it to your
PC, and only then did you listen to the 2009 McClelland program (vs.
streaming it right from my webpage).

[Peter Makres]

I know this is an old thread but I'd like to add that among the many silly
theories Dr. McClelland buys into, he makes reference to the "soldier" who
was allegedly on the grassy knoll who claimed to sense a bullet whizzing
by his ear. So, he apparently buys into the Gordon Arnold story as
well.

[r2bz...@sbcglobal.net]

***The front of JFK's shirt had a pair of torn ragged slits near the top
button. That was where a bullet exited through the shirt, as the fabric
was pushed away from the body.

Has Dr. Perry ever viewed a photograph of the front of the shirt?


***Ron Judge