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Saintly Oswald
Oct 4, 2012, 10:55:42 PM10/4/12
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I'm sure many kooks have speculated about John Connally's possible role on
that tragic day. In so many of the photographs taken prior to the event,
he looks sad, nervous and distressed. Perhaps he had indigestion. Perhaps
Nellie had told him she was pregnant. I dunno. He goes way back with LBJ,
I see. Way back. And George Bush didn't like him much, I gather, bettering
George in politics and all. I was just watching his hospital interview,
Bobby's video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0 , and he looks
so happy there, as if everything worked out nicely, considering he got
shot, that is. He said something interesting about that, too. He was shot
by the second shot, not a shot that hit JFK, but one that hit him alone.
One that had his name on it. He said, "...I think the man did what he
intended to do, shoot both of us. And, uh, that's the only thing I can
think." That reminded me of a conversation LBJ recorded with Hoover on the
blower two days later. LBJ proposes to Hoover that if Connally hadn't been
in the way, the President would have been hit by the 2nd shot, too. Hoover
said that was very likely. I don't know Did the shooter intend to shoot
them both, or did he just shoot Connally because he was in the way?
that tragic day. In so many of the photographs taken prior to the event,
he looks sad, nervous and distressed. Perhaps he had indigestion. Perhaps
Nellie had told him she was pregnant. I dunno. He goes way back with LBJ,
I see. Way back. And George Bush didn't like him much, I gather, bettering
George in politics and all. I was just watching his hospital interview,
Bobby's video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0 , and he looks
so happy there, as if everything worked out nicely, considering he got
shot, that is. He said something interesting about that, too. He was shot
by the second shot, not a shot that hit JFK, but one that hit him alone.
One that had his name on it. He said, "...I think the man did what he
intended to do, shoot both of us. And, uh, that's the only thing I can
think." That reminded me of a conversation LBJ recorded with Hoover on the
blower two days later. LBJ proposes to Hoover that if Connally hadn't been
in the way, the President would have been hit by the 2nd shot, too. Hoover
said that was very likely. I don't know Did the shooter intend to shoot
them both, or did he just shoot Connally because he was in the way?
Saintly Oswald
Oct 5, 2012, 10:37:57 AM10/5/12
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As can be seen by comparing the original Life frame Z22 with the Zapruder movie we are allowed to see today, somebody covered up the fact that John Connally reached into his jacket pocket as JFK was being shot. He then turned around and pointed his hat at JFK as the limo sank in the frame and his hat disappeared below the frame. Very strange behavior, Mr. Governor!
Anthony Marsh
Oct 5, 2012, 8:59:54 PM10/5/12
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John Reagor King
Oct 5, 2012, 9:01:42 PM10/5/12
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In article <fc730fb9-f323-433a...@googlegroups.com>,
To the end of his life Connally was skeptical of the single bullet for two
main reasons. One, his wife always said that she thought JFK was hit by
the first shot. Two, the WC had said that the single bullet might have
been the first shot, and of course Connally knew that he had heard the
first shot several seconds before he felt himself to be hit by the next
shot. Even the HSCA failed to clear up this misunderstanding adequately
enough. It was not until after Connally's death in 1993 that researchers
began to converge more strongly than ever before on the second shot, and
no other, being the single bullet that hit both men, largely because it
was not until then that the Zapruder film became widely available to the
general public and also not until then that digital technology had
developed sufficiently to analyze the film far more carefully than it
could ever be analyzed before. Had Connally ever been told that it was
definitely the second shot that hit both of them, he might have been less
skeptical, although there was still the matter of Nellie continuing to
say, even after his death, that she thought JFK was hit by the first shot.
main reasons. One, his wife always said that she thought JFK was hit by
the first shot. Two, the WC had said that the single bullet might have
been the first shot, and of course Connally knew that he had heard the
first shot several seconds before he felt himself to be hit by the next
shot. Even the HSCA failed to clear up this misunderstanding adequately
enough. It was not until after Connally's death in 1993 that researchers
began to converge more strongly than ever before on the second shot, and
no other, being the single bullet that hit both men, largely because it
was not until then that the Zapruder film became widely available to the
general public and also not until then that digital technology had
developed sufficiently to analyze the film far more carefully than it
could ever be analyzed before. Had Connally ever been told that it was
definitely the second shot that hit both of them, he might have been less
skeptical, although there was still the matter of Nellie continuing to
say, even after his death, that she thought JFK was hit by the first shot.
John Reagor King
Oct 5, 2012, 9:02:02 PM10/5/12
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> I'm sure many kooks have speculated about John Connally's possible role on
> that tragic day.
One person on Youtube recently said that Connally shot JFK...
> that tragic day.
> In so many of the photographs taken prior to the event,
> he looks sad, nervous and distressed. Perhaps he had indigestion. Perhaps
> Nellie had told him she was pregnant. I dunno.
pretty intense squabbles prior to the motorcade regarding who was to
ride with whom, particularly between Lyndon Johnson and Ralph
Yarborough, and Connally was caught in the middle of all of that. I
think I'd be just a trifle annoyed too.
> He goes way back with LBJ,
> I see. Way back. And George Bush didn't like him much, I gather, bettering
> George in politics and all. I was just watching his hospital interview,
> Bobby's video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0 , and he looks
> so happy there, as if everything worked out nicely, considering he got
> shot, that is.
I've never thought he looked especially happy in that interview.
> He said something interesting about that, too. He was shot
> by the second shot, not a shot that hit JFK, but one that hit him alone.
doesn't automatically mean he was correct. And there continues to be
that little problem of both men quite obviously jerking violently at
exactly the same instant in the Zapruder film. They both begin those
motions in Z226.
> One that had his name on it. He said, "...I think the man did what he
> intended to do, shoot both of us. And, uh, that's the only thing I can
> think." That reminded me of a conversation LBJ recorded with Hoover on the
> blower two days later. LBJ proposes to Hoover that if Connally hadn't been
> in the way, the President would have been hit by the 2nd shot, too.
first shot, when he then slumped to the left he was no longer in the way
of Connally being hit. Of course, that's not what actually happened,
but I don't think Hoover had seen the Zapruder film yet. Connally had
seen it in the hospital, but I don't know if it was ever shown to him
more than once.
> Hoover
> said that was very likely. I don't know Did the shooter intend to shoot
> them both, or did he just shoot Connally because he was in the way?
would be the other way round, JFK being in the way of hitting Connally.
Of course, if we go with your shooter from the bridge then sure,
Connally might be in the way of JFK, sort of, except with that there's
the problem of Connally being seated lower than Kennedy.
fatol...@gmail.com
Oct 5, 2012, 9:07:25 PM10/5/12
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When you watch the film at full speed, notice how after Connally shoots
JFK, Jackie quickly looks down at her husband, and just after that, after
Greer shoots Connally, Nellie quickly looks down at her husband. They are
reacting to two different shots. And just before Connally shoots, Jackie
is looking at his gun. It's not in his hat, as I said before, it is under
his hat, and Jackie sees it. Nellie looks at Greer out of the corner of
her eyes, too. Everybody in that car knew what happened. I wonder what
they told her after.
JFK, Jackie quickly looks down at her husband, and just after that, after
Greer shoots Connally, Nellie quickly looks down at her husband. They are
reacting to two different shots. And just before Connally shoots, Jackie
is looking at his gun. It's not in his hat, as I said before, it is under
his hat, and Jackie sees it. Nellie looks at Greer out of the corner of
her eyes, too. Everybody in that car knew what happened. I wonder what
they told her after.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 5, 2012, 9:42:51 PM10/5/12
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your tinfoil hat came loose. You should try the theory that the intended
target all the time was ONLY Connally and Kennedy just got in the way and
blocked a clear shot.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 5, 2012, 10:43:19 PM10/5/12
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On 10/5/2012 9:01 PM, John Reagor King wrote:
> In article <fc730fb9-f323-433a...@googlegroups.com>,
> Saintly Oswald <fatol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure many kooks have speculated about John Connally's possible role on
>> that tragic day. In so many of the photographs taken prior to the event,
>> he looks sad, nervous and distressed. Perhaps he had indigestion. Perhaps
>> Nellie had told him she was pregnant. I dunno. He goes way back with LBJ,
>> I see. Way back. And George Bush didn't like him much, I gather, bettering
>> George in politics and all. I was just watching his hospital interview,
>> Bobby's video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0 , and he looks
>> so happy there, as if everything worked out nicely, considering he got
>> shot, that is. He said something interesting about that, too. He was shot
>> by the second shot, not a shot that hit JFK, but one that hit him alone.
>> One that had his name on it. He said, "...I think the man did what he
>> intended to do, shoot both of us. And, uh, that's the only thing I can
>> think." That reminded me of a conversation LBJ recorded with Hoover on the
>> blower two days later. LBJ proposes to Hoover that if Connally hadn't been
>> in the way, the President would have been hit by the 2nd shot, too. Hoover
>> said that was very likely. I don't know Did the shooter intend to shoot
>> them both, or did he just shoot Connally because he was in the way?
>
> To the end of his life Connally was skeptical of the single bullet for two
> main reasons. One, his wife always said that she thought JFK was hit by
> the first shot. Two, the WC had said that the single bullet might have
Wrong. The WC never said which shot had to be the SBT.
> In article <fc730fb9-f323-433a...@googlegroups.com>,
> Saintly Oswald <fatol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure many kooks have speculated about John Connally's possible role on
>> that tragic day. In so many of the photographs taken prior to the event,
>> he looks sad, nervous and distressed. Perhaps he had indigestion. Perhaps
>> Nellie had told him she was pregnant. I dunno. He goes way back with LBJ,
>> I see. Way back. And George Bush didn't like him much, I gather, bettering
>> George in politics and all. I was just watching his hospital interview,
>> Bobby's video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0 , and he looks
>> so happy there, as if everything worked out nicely, considering he got
>> shot, that is. He said something interesting about that, too. He was shot
>> by the second shot, not a shot that hit JFK, but one that hit him alone.
>> One that had his name on it. He said, "...I think the man did what he
>> intended to do, shoot both of us. And, uh, that's the only thing I can
>> think." That reminded me of a conversation LBJ recorded with Hoover on the
>> blower two days later. LBJ proposes to Hoover that if Connally hadn't been
>> in the way, the President would have been hit by the 2nd shot, too. Hoover
>> said that was very likely. I don't know Did the shooter intend to shoot
>> them both, or did he just shoot Connally because he was in the way?
>
> To the end of his life Connally was skeptical of the single bullet for two
> main reasons. One, his wife always said that she thought JFK was hit by
> the first shot. Two, the WC had said that the single bullet might have
It just seemed more likely to them that a first shot between Z-210 and
Z-240 would be a SBT.
> been the first shot, and of course Connally knew that he had heard the
> first shot several seconds before he felt himself to be hit by the next
John Reagor King
Oct 6, 2012, 4:43:16 PM10/6/12
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In article <506f8e50$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>,
replying to.
Btw, still waiting and waiting and waiting for you to admit that I never
said that JFK already had his fists up by Z225. Here's what I really
said:
**********
Interesting that you make no mention that Connally begins to jerk
violently at almost exactly the same frame you give above for the
beginning of JFK's visible reaction. Really it's Z226 rather than Z225
for both men, but that's trivial. But I'm not going to believe you or
anyone else who says they "don't see" the flip of Connally's hat that
clearly begins no later than Z226.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/1f66ddfa97e3bde8
?dmode=source
**********
I said both men begin to react at Z226. Never said JFK's fists were
already up in the previous frame. Obviously they wouldn't come up
*before* he begins to react, lol. I've also been saying here for years
that both men begin to react at Z226. But of course you're afraid to
look through the archives to find out how consistently I've said that.
Anthony Marsh <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Wrong. The WC never said which shot had to be the SBT.
That's what I said. You need to learn to read the articles you're
> Wrong. The WC never said which shot had to be the SBT.
replying to.
Btw, still waiting and waiting and waiting for you to admit that I never
said that JFK already had his fists up by Z225. Here's what I really
said:
**********
Interesting that you make no mention that Connally begins to jerk
violently at almost exactly the same frame you give above for the
beginning of JFK's visible reaction. Really it's Z226 rather than Z225
for both men, but that's trivial. But I'm not going to believe you or
anyone else who says they "don't see" the flip of Connally's hat that
clearly begins no later than Z226.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/1f66ddfa97e3bde8
?dmode=source
**********
I said both men begin to react at Z226. Never said JFK's fists were
already up in the previous frame. Obviously they wouldn't come up
*before* he begins to react, lol. I've also been saying here for years
that both men begin to react at Z226. But of course you're afraid to
look through the archives to find out how consistently I've said that.
fatol...@gmail.com
Oct 6, 2012, 4:45:36 PM10/6/12
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I'm glad you all agree with me. The fact that LBJ thinks that if Connally
hadn't been in the way that the 2nd shot might have made him president,
reveals that he knows the shot came from the front. That makes perfect
sense, since LBJ knows that William Greer is sitting in the front seat.
Hoover thinks that's likely, too.
Saintly Oswald
Oct 9, 2012, 9:54:12 AM10/9/12
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And since Connally and LBJ were close friends go way back, even to LBJ's stolen senate election, it is very likely that John made known his concerns to Lyndon that the assassin had targeted him. This would naturally arouse Lyndon's interest and concern, since he might worry that he himself could become their target someday. It can be dangerous allying yourself with murderers. So, naturally, when Lyndon next talked to Edgar, he asked if anybody had been shooting at him, Lyndon. And then, so that he could placate Governor John, he elicited confirmation from Edgar that John had simply been shot by accident...because he was just in the way...between the assassin's target and the president. Makes sense. At least, it makes sense if it was a CIA plot and if Greer was shooting. It does not make sense if it was a lone nut in the TSBD.
Saintly Oswald
Oct 9, 2012, 8:33:59 PM10/9/12
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Due to the groundswell of popular demand, I have slapped together another
video that has something to do with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDpkmpPUf5Y&feature=plcp
video that has something to do with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDpkmpPUf5Y&feature=plcp
Anthony Marsh
Oct 9, 2012, 8:34:18 PM10/9/12
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On 10/9/2012 9:54 AM, Saintly Oswald wrote:
> And since Connally and LBJ were close friends go way back, even to LBJ's stolen senate election, it is very likely that John made known his concerns to Lyndon that the assassin had targeted him. This would naturally arouse Lyndon's interest and concern, since he might worry that he himself could become their target someday. It can be dangerous allying yourself with murderers. So, naturally, when Lyndon next talked to Edgar, he asked if anybody had been shooting at him, Lyndon. And then, so that he could placate Governor John, he elicited confirmation from Edgar that John had simply been shot by accident...because he was just in the way...between the assassin's target and the president. Makes sense. At least, it makes sense if it was a CIA plot and if Greer was shooting. It does not make sense if it was a lone nut in the TSBD.
>
LBJ asked Hoover if any of the shots were aimed at him.
> And since Connally and LBJ were close friends go way back, even to LBJ's stolen senate election, it is very likely that John made known his concerns to Lyndon that the assassin had targeted him. This would naturally arouse Lyndon's interest and concern, since he might worry that he himself could become their target someday. It can be dangerous allying yourself with murderers. So, naturally, when Lyndon next talked to Edgar, he asked if anybody had been shooting at him, Lyndon. And then, so that he could placate Governor John, he elicited confirmation from Edgar that John had simply been shot by accident...because he was just in the way...between the assassin's target and the president. Makes sense. At least, it makes sense if it was a CIA plot and if Greer was shooting. It does not make sense if it was a lone nut in the TSBD.
>
Saintly Oswald
Oct 10, 2012, 9:36:15 PM10/10/12
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In his 11/29/63 phone call with Hoover, LBJ actually suggests that
Connally wouldn't have got shot if he hadn't been in the way, that is,
between the shooter and JFK. He said that. Hoover agreed with him. Oswald
and hi nest were on behind JFK. Connally was in front of JFK. Kinda makes
you wonder...
Connally wouldn't have got shot if he hadn't been in the way, that is,
between the shooter and JFK. He said that. Hoover agreed with him. Oswald
and hi nest were on behind JFK. Connally was in front of JFK. Kinda makes
you wonder...
John Reagor King
Oct 10, 2012, 9:46:31 PM10/10/12
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In article <44a2a92b-1f4d-4a53...@googlegroups.com>,
limousine?
Saintly Oswald <fatol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And since Connally and LBJ were close friends go way back, even to LBJ's
> stolen senate election, it is very likely that John made known his concerns
> to Lyndon that the assassin had targeted him. This would naturally arouse
> Lyndon's interest and concern, since he might worry that he himself could
> become their target someday. It can be dangerous allying yourself with
> murderers. So, naturally, when Lyndon next talked to Edgar, he asked if
> anybody had been shooting at him, Lyndon. And then, so that he could placate
> Governor John, he elicited confirmation from Edgar that John had simply been
> shot by accident...because he was just in the way...between the assassin's
> target and the president. Makes sense. At least, it makes sense if it was a
> CIA plot and if Greer was shooting. It does not make sense if it was a lone
> nut in the TSBD.
Is that why Connally had a hat, a soda bottle, and a gun with him in the
> And since Connally and LBJ were close friends go way back, even to LBJ's
> stolen senate election, it is very likely that John made known his concerns
> to Lyndon that the assassin had targeted him. This would naturally arouse
> Lyndon's interest and concern, since he might worry that he himself could
> become their target someday. It can be dangerous allying yourself with
> murderers. So, naturally, when Lyndon next talked to Edgar, he asked if
> anybody had been shooting at him, Lyndon. And then, so that he could placate
> Governor John, he elicited confirmation from Edgar that John had simply been
> shot by accident...because he was just in the way...between the assassin's
> target and the president. Makes sense. At least, it makes sense if it was a
> CIA plot and if Greer was shooting. It does not make sense if it was a lone
> nut in the TSBD.
limousine?
John Reagor King
Oct 10, 2012, 9:49:32 PM10/10/12
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In article <579edbc0-2d98-407f...@googlegroups.com>,
Well, I think it will cause a groundswell of helpless mirth at least.
Saintly Oswald
Oct 11, 2012, 11:03:53 AM10/11/12
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Whatever, but it seems that LBJ and Hoover both, knew on November 29 that Connally was between the assassin and JFK, meaning that shots, or, at least the ones that hit Connally, came from the front. Some are so attached to their Lone Nut that they cannot see the truth. Who are we to take away their sole comfort? I say, let them keep their Lone Nut, if it makes them happy, but let not this cancer of the mind spread to others. Perhaps we could build Lone Nut colonies for them to live in. Yes. This should be studied. Perhaps Montana? Yes. We could move everybody out of Montana and put them their. Welcome to Montana, the Lone Nut State.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 11, 2012, 4:04:00 PM10/11/12
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do it. Making a false claim about what someone else believes by phrasing
it as an innocent question.
Have your stopped beating your dog yet? Just an innocent question.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 11, 2012, 9:00:37 PM10/11/12
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trajectory then.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 11, 2012, 9:03:20 PM10/11/12
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On 10/11/2012 11:03 AM, Saintly Oswald wrote:
> Whatever, but it seems that LBJ and Hoover both, knew on November 29 that Connally was between the assassin and JFK, meaning that shots, or, at least the ones that hit Connally, came from the front. Some are so attached to their Lone Nut that they cannot see the truth. Who are we to take away their sole comfort? I say, let them keep their Lone Nut, if it makes them happy, but let not this cancer of the mind spread to others. Perhaps we could build Lone Nut colonies for them to live in. Yes. This should be studied. Perhaps Montana? Yes. We could move everybody out of Montana and put them their. Welcome to Montana, the Lone Nut State.
>
>
Actually, Texas probably has the highest percentage of lone nutters.
> Whatever, but it seems that LBJ and Hoover both, knew on November 29 that Connally was between the assassin and JFK, meaning that shots, or, at least the ones that hit Connally, came from the front. Some are so attached to their Lone Nut that they cannot see the truth. Who are we to take away their sole comfort? I say, let them keep their Lone Nut, if it makes them happy, but let not this cancer of the mind spread to others. Perhaps we could build Lone Nut colonies for them to live in. Yes. This should be studied. Perhaps Montana? Yes. We could move everybody out of Montana and put them their. Welcome to Montana, the Lone Nut State.
>
>
They are very defensive. They say, "There was no conspiracy, we didn't
do anything wrong."
John Reagor King
Oct 11, 2012, 10:43:21 PM10/11/12
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In article <0e3506d6-2aed-4984...@googlegroups.com>,
his back almost right at his right armpit. It exited his chest about two
inches to the left of his right nipple. This is a right to left path
through his body. At no time in the entire film is he ever in any
position to be shot from the front with the bullet entering his back
without it being a left to right path through his body.
> Some are so attached to
> their Lone Nut that they cannot see the truth.
And some are so attached to their patently ridiculous conspiracy
scenarios that they cannot see the truth either.
> Who are we to take away their
> sole comfort? I say, let them keep their Lone Nut, if it makes them happy,
And let the believers in the most implausible conspiracy scenarios keep
their multiple nuts too.
> but let not this cancer of the mind spread to others.
Oh yes, and prithee let us not perforce allow any patently ridiculous
conspiracy scenarios be forthwith proclaimed before the many readers of
this group without those readers also seeing much more rational challenges
proclaimed as well.
> Perhaps we could build
> Lone Nut colonies for them to live in.
Indeed, and let us also have some other colonies for the multiple nuts, so
that they may indulge themselves around their holy campfires and regale
each other with amazing stories that bring down manna from the heavens and
stupefy the imagination.
> Yes. This should be studied.
I think so too.
> Perhaps
> Montana? Yes. We could move everybody out of Montana and put them their.
> Welcome to Montana, the Lone Nut State.
And where should the multiple nut colony be? As far away from the lone
nut colony as possible, I should think. Northern Territory, Australia?
Yes, I think that's far enough. Then y'all can all have your glorious
campfires around the Uluru. That ought to bring in some wonderful
revelations hitherto unimagined.
Saintly Oswald <fatol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Whatever, but it seems that LBJ and Hoover both, knew on November 29 that
> Connally was between the assassin and JFK, meaning that shots, or, at least
> the ones that hit Connally, came from the front.
Then how does the trajectory through his body work? The bullet entered
> Whatever, but it seems that LBJ and Hoover both, knew on November 29 that
> Connally was between the assassin and JFK, meaning that shots, or, at least
> the ones that hit Connally, came from the front.
his back almost right at his right armpit. It exited his chest about two
inches to the left of his right nipple. This is a right to left path
through his body. At no time in the entire film is he ever in any
position to be shot from the front with the bullet entering his back
without it being a left to right path through his body.
> Some are so attached to
> their Lone Nut that they cannot see the truth.
scenarios that they cannot see the truth either.
> Who are we to take away their
> sole comfort? I say, let them keep their Lone Nut, if it makes them happy,
their multiple nuts too.
> but let not this cancer of the mind spread to others.
conspiracy scenarios be forthwith proclaimed before the many readers of
this group without those readers also seeing much more rational challenges
proclaimed as well.
> Perhaps we could build
> Lone Nut colonies for them to live in.
that they may indulge themselves around their holy campfires and regale
each other with amazing stories that bring down manna from the heavens and
stupefy the imagination.
> Yes. This should be studied.
> Perhaps
> Montana? Yes. We could move everybody out of Montana and put them their.
> Welcome to Montana, the Lone Nut State.
nut colony as possible, I should think. Northern Territory, Australia?
Yes, I think that's far enough. Then y'all can all have your glorious
campfires around the Uluru. That ought to bring in some wonderful
revelations hitherto unimagined.
Saintly Oswald
Oct 11, 2012, 10:44:31 PM10/11/12
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Your header implies you're responding to the King, by the context seems to
say me, so I'll take it. He throws so much bull, I rarely even read it,
let alone respond.
say me, so I'll take it. He throws so much bull, I rarely even read it,
let alone respond.
Saintly Oswald
Oct 12, 2012, 4:55:50 PM10/12/12
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Anthony Marsh
Oct 12, 2012, 9:09:05 PM10/12/12
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On 10/11/2012 10:44 PM, Saintly Oswald wrote:
> Your header implies you're responding to the King, by the context seems to
> say me, so I'll take it. He throws so much bull, I rarely even read it,
> let alone respond.
>
With so many aliases being used we can't really be sure to whom we are
> Your header implies you're responding to the King, by the context seems to
> say me, so I'll take it. He throws so much bull, I rarely even read it,
> let alone respond.
>
replying. Even if I intended it for Rigor Mortis, you are free to jump
in and reply if you have the answer and he doesn't. That's how a thread
works.
you because I know you don't have a dog and I know you would never beat
your cat.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 12, 2012, 9:48:02 PM10/12/12
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On 10/11/2012 10:43 PM, John Reagor King wrote:
> In article <0e3506d6-2aed-4984...@googlegroups.com>,
> Saintly Oswald <fatol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Whatever, but it seems that LBJ and Hoover both, knew on November 29 that
>> Connally was between the assassin and JFK, meaning that shots, or, at least
>> the ones that hit Connally, came from the front.
>
> Then how does the trajectory through his body work? The bullet entered
> his back almost right at his right armpit. It exited his chest about two
> inches to the left of his right nipple. This is a right to left path
> through his body. At no time in the entire film is he ever in any
> position to be shot from the front with the bullet entering his back
> without it being a left to right path through his body.
>
Well, give this newbie a chance. Maybe he can change his theory so that
> In article <0e3506d6-2aed-4984...@googlegroups.com>,
> Saintly Oswald <fatol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Whatever, but it seems that LBJ and Hoover both, knew on November 29 that
>> Connally was between the assassin and JFK, meaning that shots, or, at least
>> the ones that hit Connally, came from the front.
>
> Then how does the trajectory through his body work? The bullet entered
> his back almost right at his right armpit. It exited his chest about two
> inches to the left of his right nipple. This is a right to left path
> through his body. At no time in the entire film is he ever in any
> position to be shot from the front with the bullet entering his back
> without it being a left to right path through his body.
>
it happens when we can't see Connally through the sign.
Then all your blather is meaningless.
>> Some are so attached to
>> their Lone Nut that they cannot see the truth.
>
> And some are so attached to their patently ridiculous conspiracy
> scenarios that they cannot see the truth either.
>
John Reagor King
Oct 15, 2012, 10:09:39 PM10/15/12
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In article <8958d5e6-f57d-4ba2...@googlegroups.com>,
you didn't understand the orientation of Dealey Plaza. Would you like to
know how many *decades* ago I first went to Dealey Plaza in person?
You're the one who still as of Saturday didn't know that the Triple
Underpass runs much closer to north-south than to east-west. You then had
the unmitigated gall to "correct" me by saying that the Cabluck photo is
of the north side of the bridge, when in fact it is of the east side.
I've looked at that very bridge with my own eyeballs many, many, many
times in quite a few different years. You're the one who claimed you can
see Connally holding a soda bottle, then changed that to him putting a gun
in his pocket, then changed it again to him withdrawing a gun from his
pocket and shooting JFK.
And you say I throw bull, lol.
Saintly Oswald <fatol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your header implies you're responding to the King, by the context seems to
> say me, so I'll take it. He throws so much bull, I rarely even read it,
> let alone respond.
Pot/kettle. You're the one who freely admitted that even six months ago
> Your header implies you're responding to the King, by the context seems to
> say me, so I'll take it. He throws so much bull, I rarely even read it,
> let alone respond.
you didn't understand the orientation of Dealey Plaza. Would you like to
know how many *decades* ago I first went to Dealey Plaza in person?
You're the one who still as of Saturday didn't know that the Triple
Underpass runs much closer to north-south than to east-west. You then had
the unmitigated gall to "correct" me by saying that the Cabluck photo is
of the north side of the bridge, when in fact it is of the east side.
I've looked at that very bridge with my own eyeballs many, many, many
times in quite a few different years. You're the one who claimed you can
see Connally holding a soda bottle, then changed that to him putting a gun
in his pocket, then changed it again to him withdrawing a gun from his
pocket and shooting JFK.
And you say I throw bull, lol.
r2bz...@sbcglobal.net
Oct 27, 2012, 6:50:00 PM10/27/12
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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:55:42 PM UTC-7, Saintly Oswald wrote:
> I'm sure many kooks have speculated about John Connally's possible role on
>
> that tragic day. In so many of the photographs taken prior to the event,
>
> he looks sad, nervous and distressed. Perhaps he had indigestion. Perhaps
>
> Nellie had told him she was pregnant. I dunno. He goes way back with LBJ,
>
> I see. Way back. And George Bush didn't like him much, I gather, bettering
>
> George in politics and all. I was just watching his hospital interview,
>
> Bobby's video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0 , and he looks
>
> so happy there, as if everything worked out nicely, considering he got
>
> shot, that is. He said something interesting about that, too. He was shot
>
> by the second shot, not a shot that hit JFK, but one that hit him alone.
>
> One that had his name on it. He said, "...I think the man did what he
>
> intended to do, shoot both of us. And, uh, that's the only thing I can
>
> think." That reminded me of a conversation LBJ recorded with Hoover on the
>
> blower two days later. LBJ proposes to Hoover that if Connally hadn't been
>
> in the way, the President would have been hit by the 2nd shot, too. Hoover
>
> said that was very likely. I don't know Did the shooter intend to shoot
>
> them both, or did he just shoot Connally because he was in the way?
***Connally, like Tague, was a bystander in the path of the bullets.
> I'm sure many kooks have speculated about John Connally's possible role on
>
> that tragic day. In so many of the photographs taken prior to the event,
>
> he looks sad, nervous and distressed. Perhaps he had indigestion. Perhaps
>
> Nellie had told him she was pregnant. I dunno. He goes way back with LBJ,
>
> I see. Way back. And George Bush didn't like him much, I gather, bettering
>
> George in politics and all. I was just watching his hospital interview,
>
> Bobby's video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0 , and he looks
>
> so happy there, as if everything worked out nicely, considering he got
>
> shot, that is. He said something interesting about that, too. He was shot
>
> by the second shot, not a shot that hit JFK, but one that hit him alone.
>
> One that had his name on it. He said, "...I think the man did what he
>
> intended to do, shoot both of us. And, uh, that's the only thing I can
>
> think." That reminded me of a conversation LBJ recorded with Hoover on the
>
> blower two days later. LBJ proposes to Hoover that if Connally hadn't been
>
> in the way, the President would have been hit by the 2nd shot, too. Hoover
>
> said that was very likely. I don't know Did the shooter intend to shoot
>
> them both, or did he just shoot Connally because he was in the way?
shooting from the 6th floor window, Connally was not in the way of
shooting Kennedy.
In the Zapruder film, even while the limo was at the position of the first
frames, Connally was not blocking Zapruder's view of JFK from up on the
knoll. A grassy knoll shooter would not have had to shoot Connally, to get
him out of the way to shoot JFK.
***Ron Judge
Saintly Oswald
Nov 2, 2012, 9:13:44 PM11/2/12
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if the shooter had been William Greer, and that is the implication of LBJ
and Hoover's conversation, unless each of them just didn't know what they
were talking about. Everybody who thinks that Greer did not shoot JFK must
believe that the FBI Director and the President did not know what they
were talking about. I think they did.
Anthony Marsh
Nov 3, 2012, 3:40:17 PM11/3/12
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were.
Saintly Oswald
Nov 3, 2012, 7:48:06 PM11/3/12
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I don't think that Hoover was so incompetent that he did not know by one week after the shooting, that Connally had been seated in front of JFK. And LBJ probably knew the seating arrangements before the shooting.
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