Murgado, RFK & LHO

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From David Talbot's "Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy years"

"According to Bay of Pigs veteran Angelo Murgado, he and a team of fellow
Cuban exiles not only observed Oswald's suspicious activities in New
Orleans in August 1963, they reported on him to Bobby Kennedy."

"Murgado was aligned with the Cuban exile faction led by Manual Artime,
the Brigade's political leader."

"Artime enjoyed access to Bobby Kennedy meeting with him in his Washington
office, at Hickory Hill,and at the family's Palm Beach mansion."

"Some Brigade veterans enlisted in the US military but Murgado chose to
join the CIA's covert war on Havana.

Trained in intelligence gathering methods, he began to detect suspicious
activity among some of his fellow exiles in the Miami Cuban community, a
dangerous level of chatter aimed at President Kennedy. He took his
concerns to Artime, who was initially reluctant to do anything about them
for fear of betraying Cuban comrades. But, said Murgado, Artime finally
agreed to set up a meeting with Bobby Kennedy where they could alert him
to the threats against his brother."

"At the meeting, Murgado told the attorney general of his alarm about the
growing anti-Kennedy passions in Cuban exile circles. "I told him that we
have to keep a sharp eye on these Cubans. I was afraid that one of our
guys would go crazy. And I said, The same way that a lot of people are
trying to hit Castro, there are a lot of people trying to hit the
President of the United States...we have a lot of crazy sons of bitches
and they're willing to pull anything."

"Murgado said that Bobby asked him to keep an eye on alarming Cuban exile
activity and report back to him. "We asked, Why don't you tell the
President and use the CIA or FBI ? And he said, no no no - he didn't trust
any of the agencies. And he didn't want to load his brother down with this
situation. So we went outside the CIA and we did this on a personal basis
with Bobby." The attorney general paid Murgado's expenses out of his own
pocket, according to the Bay of Pigs veteran. Setting up private
intelligence operations that he tightly controlled was a well- established
practice of Bobby Kennedy's throughout his political career."

"In the summer of 1963, Murgado's surveillance work led him to New
Orleans, where he came across a curious gringo named Lee Harvey Oswald.
Murgado and his compadres watched Oswald one day as he distributed his
pro-Castro propaganda on the street. They later saw stacks of Oswald's
pamphlets in the office of Carlos Bringuier, one of the local DRE
delegates who had confronted Oswald in a raucous shouting match that New
Orleans police would report appeared staged."

"Murgado's team came to the conclusion that Oswald was an FBI informant."

"After returning to Florida, Murgado met with Bobby again at his Palm
Beach house, where he reported on his surveillance targets, including the
mysterious Oswald. He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald
handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as
far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI. Bobby had never
heard of Oswald, according to Murgado, but he did not seem concerned about
him because of his apparent government role. "

"If Murgado's story is to be believed, it has historical significance.
Assassination researchers have long speculated about whether Bobby Kennedy
was already familiar with the name Oswald when it suddenly exploded on the
American stage on the afternoon of November 22. Was this the man to whom
Bobby was referring when he told anti-Castro leader Harry Ruiz Williams
that afternoon, "One of your guys did it" ? Did RFK immediately associate
Oswald with the covert war against Castro because of Murgado's
intelligence report ?"

"Or did he brush quickly past Oswald when Murgado brought him up because,
as some researchers have suggested, he already connected the name to the
administration's secret war ? The Murgado story may provide an important
key to Bobby's understanding of the crime. It could help explain why the
president's brother cast his suspicions immediately towards the
anti-Castro underworld on the afternoon of November 22."

I hadn't heard of Murgado before. I see there were a couple of threads on
him back in 2005 but that concerned him being one of the Cubans involved
in the Odio incident. Strange that Talbot didn't mention that aspect.

John.

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Anthony Marsh

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I tend to doubt that story, but interesting right after the
assassination Bobby called the CIA director and questioned if the
assassin was one of their men.

tims...@gmail.com

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johncw...@aol.com

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On 16 May, 15:22, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:

> assassin was one of their men.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Tony,

Thanks for your response. I've since discovered that Peter Dale Scott
does not believe Murgado - this is significant as Talbot
specifically thanks Jefferson Morley and PDS for agreeing to read and
comment on his manuscript. Either PDS did not tell Talbot he didn't
believe the Murgado story or Talbot chose to ignore him. To be fair to
Talbot he does not present the Murgado story as indisputable fact -
he acknowledges that Murgado is a colourful character and that some
may not believe him.

Thanks again,

John.

James K. Olmstead

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<tims...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:043c5337-75fe-4822...@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
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Hi John,

It appears that Murgado is lying here:

QUOTE ON:

He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald
handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general
that as
far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI.

QUOTE OFF

There never WERE any published newspaper photos of Oswald handing out
his pro-Castro pamphlets until AFTER November 22, 1963.

Talbot has been taken in, just like Joan Mellen was taken in by Thomas
Edward Beckham.

We can only imagine that the rest of Murgado's claims are equally as
fanciful.

Regards,

Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*

Tim: The major problem is with claiming no photos were taken, the ONI offices were
two blocks and on second floor from the street demo conducted by Oswald and we
know that a man associated with events ran over and filmed things. I'm not sure of
the man's name at this time, but I believe he had his family with him and was a couple
of streets over at the time. No photos were published....but I do believe photos were
taken. Off the top of my head I believe he was associated with Gen Walker. There
are some newsgroup posts on this from years ago.....I think Clark Wilkins was in on
those.

Several Cubans who I've been in contact with over the years claim photos were taken.
Santigo De Juan, claimed to have slapped Oswald. Santigo worked at VOA and several
members of the radio staff went down to hassle Oswald. Santigo was interviewed for
WC....but there's not much in the offical reports concerning this. Santigo was part of
the Cuban Revolution fighting with Castro and later fled due to his role in a assassination
attempt on Castro. He was associated with Ohio mob members in Cuba that were also
working for the CIA (Robert John Gentile). Gentile was convicted of plot to kill Castro
and RFK bailed him out of jail with BOP prisoners.

The WC makes a big deal of the DRE encounter but the record and investigation concerning
the VOA staff action is very limited....it's almost a "side note" to the event.

I was told years ago....but never had the chance to confirm it that the BBC did a documentary
called "The Bearded Warriors" and Santigo's encounter with Oswald is part of that documentary
but I consider that "rumor". Santigo is still alive as of 2007....but is difficult to contact. His
wife had alot of the photos he had from the late 50's and 60's and I've never been
able to contact her or his daughter who might have some of the New Orleans photos at VOA.

jko

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May 18, 2008, 12:06:13 PM5/18/08

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This would hardly even seem compellingly eventful to me since Robert
Kennedy and Artime were very close, close enough to take Artime on ski
vacation to discuss options with them, like putting some of the BoP
veterans into the military (Mar. 1963), and Artime met with JFK an
right before the Orange Bowl before he made his famous declaration
about the flag flying over Cuba. And Artime was part of the JFK-RFK
plan to invade Cuba from the Dominican Republic and Artime's spot in
Central America in a CIA/Exile meeting on the day the President was
shot.

CJ

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May 19, 2008, 9:19:59 AM5/19/08

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James K. Olmstead

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<tims...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8b8e5ee8-0986-4a9b...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
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Hi James,

I think the crucial element that shows Murgado's claim to be fanciful
is this claim about newspaper photographs.

Tim: At face value true...however how many would question the "cover" of
saying they saw a photo published instead of intelligence files? I spent
two years photographing the war in VN and very few of my photos went
beyond those who requested them....some were published in military
newspapers (Army Olmstead) and Stars and Stripes (J. K. Olmstead).
Yet DOD has everyone submitted, including motion picture footage.

On occassion intell photos are spread around and somebody associated
with the event in some way my have been protecting "the source"....or
just assumed that the photo was the same as one "published" yet it may
not have been one actually published. It's a very grey area without "all
the details".

There never were any
published at the time.

True....but isn't there some "rumor" that Oswald showed a newspaper photo of the demo
in Mexico City?

The only story published about Oswald at the
time didn't feature a photograph and anyone reading it could only have
come away with the impression that Oswald was working for the FPCC,
not the FBI.

That's how undercover roles are established. The impression of association
to the FPCC was firmly established. Yet it was "non functional" which also
indicates that it was just a front operation to establish bona fide association.
Why else would Oswald only seek two members Gus Hall and Ben Davis?

As we both know, there were films made of both the Canal St
leafletting incident and the ITM leafletting incident, one week later.
However, stills were NEVER made from any of these films until AFTER
the assassination, when the significance of the films was realised.
Until then, Oswald's FPCC activities in New Orleans were a minor
story.

Explain why Navy personel can be seen in some of the footage taken by
what's his name (he posted here). Can you explain the interest ONI/Navy would
have on Oswald's "trial" by having men in uniform at the session? How
many military were in civilian attire...with cameras?

Murgado's claim about seeing piles of Oswald's FPCC literature in
Bringuier's office is simply absurd, in my view, if not downright
insulting. Seems like an obvious embellishment of the story about the
leaflets being stored in Guy Banister's office.

The claim has to be looked at with an open mind. Guy as part of his
interest in Cuban events could have such literature in his office. What
we don't know is his motive and intent behind having this material. I
don't find it odd he would have it around. I have KKK and Nazi material
in my office, that does not mean I support either group....nor does it
mean I'm active in fighting those groups.

Thanks for the information re VOA. I will look into that angle. If you
have any direct cites I would be interested in knowing them.

Tim....most of the direct cites and material I have is reserved for my books
or filmscripts. I try and make only general release of key material in
these newsgroup discussions, I do try and provide docs when I can but
sometimes it's split between 34 projects and I don't know where to find
one "cite" that explains 20-100 pages of documents on the subject.

A search at MF site on VOA may turn up material I just don't know how much
would be enough to get you to turn to the "dark side".

jko

clarkw...@hotmail.com

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On May 17, 10:52 am, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:043c5337-75fe-4822...@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>

> >It appears that Murgado is lying here:
>>
> >QUOTE ON:
> >
> >He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald
>> handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general
> >that as
> >far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI.
>
> >QUOTE OFF
> >
>> There never WERE any published newspaper photos of Oswald handing out
>> his pro-Castro pamphlets until AFTER November 22, 1963.
>

> Tim: The major problem is with claiming no photos were taken, the ONI offices were
> two blocks and on second floor from the street demo conducted by Oswald and we
> know that a man associated with events ran over and filmed things. I'm not sure of
> the man's name at this time, but I believe he had his family with him and was a couple
> of streets over at the time. No photos were published....

But Murgado claimed they were.

>but I do believe photos were
> taken. Off the top of my head I believe he was associated with Gen Walker. There
> are some newsgroup posts on this from years ago.....I think Clark Wilkins was in on
> those.

Yes. I saw such a photo but, unaware of its importance, failed to
keep track of the source.

>
> Several Cubans who I've been in contact with over the years claim photos were taken.
> Santigo De Juan, claimed to have slapped Oswald. Santigo worked at VOA and several
> members of the radio staff went down to hassle Oswald. Santigo was interviewed for
> WC....but there's not much in the offical reports concerning this. Santigo was part of
> the Cuban Revolution fighting with Castro and later fled due to his role in a assassination
> attempt on Castro. He was associated with Ohio mob members in Cuba that were also
> working for the CIA (Robert John Gentile). Gentile was convicted of plot to kill Castro
> and RFK bailed him out of jail with BOP prisoners.
>
> The WC makes a big deal of the DRE encounter but the record and investigation concerning
> the VOA staff action is very limited....it's almost a "side note" to the event.

Bringuier was very noisy. He had his own agenda and knew how to seek
publicity.

clarkw...@hotmail.com

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On May 19, 12:34 pm, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8b8e5ee8-0986-4a9b...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

>
>....but isn't there some "rumor" that Oswald showed a newspaper photo of the demo
> in Mexico City?
>

The "rumor" cotains a very accurate description of the photo shown the
Cuban Consulate.

>
> That's how undercover roles are established. The impression of association
> to the FPCC was firmly established. Yet it was "non functional" which also
> indicates that it was just a front operation to establish bona fide association.
> Why else would Oswald only seek two members Gus Hall and Ben Davis?

It was 100% nonfunctional and intended to be nonfunctional. The first
time Lee handed out leaflets, they had the wrong address for
interested parties to respond to. You can't get more bogus than
that.

But Lee wanted Hall and Davis to have those cards.

>
> Murgado's claim about seeing piles of Oswald's FPCC literature in
> Bringuier's office is simply absurd, in my view, if not downright
> insulting.

Particularly since Bringuier didn't have an office?

Just curious.

::Clark::

James K. Olmstead

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<clarkw...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:b7f3899d-0e46-4ab4...@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

On May 19, 12:34 pm, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8b8e5ee8-0986-4a9b...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
>....but isn't there some "rumor" that Oswald showed a newspaper photo of the demo
> in Mexico City?
>

The "rumor" cotains a very accurate description of the photo shown the
Cuban Consulate.

Hey Clark....long time...hope all is well. I thought there was "a photo shown" but
the mind is slipping and there is just so much one can retain, if it's not fresh.

>
> That's how undercover roles are established. The impression of association
> to the FPCC was firmly established. Yet it was "non functional" which also
> indicates that it was just a front operation to establish bona fide association.
> Why else would Oswald only seek two members Gus Hall and Ben Davis?

It was 100% nonfunctional and intended to be nonfunctional. The first
time Lee handed out leaflets, they had the wrong address for
interested parties to respond to. You can't get more bogus than
that.

But Lee wanted Hall and Davis to have those cards.

On a local and National level very few would care who joined that New Orleans chapter
of the FPCC.....however if you have Hall and Davis as members it becomes noteworthy,
even though it might seem "honorary" it ties them together. Since no effort was made
to actually have local members and effort was made to keep people from joining, the
only importance beyond Oswald's membership is that of Hall and Davis.

Hall's underground ties are in Detroit, Ohio and St. Louis...Davis in NY....the common
bond is Cuban underground activities.

Since Hall did "kill" in his past (Warren, Ohio 1937) he was the most dangerous of the
two.

Members of Hall's underground were staffed with former members and active members
of the Detroit Purple Gang....several hiding in Warren, Ohio with connections to St. Louis.
One was also hiding in Cuba, he left the US after meeting with RFK. after Congressman Kirwin
introduced a bill to keep him from being deported and it failed. Frank died in 1964 in a
Cuban jail under strange circumstances.

Kirwin is important since he was the "money man" in Congress....if you needed money
for activities Kirwin was the man to see. Local mob leaders insured Kirwin's re-election.
Congressman Trafficant's mob connections (the ones that put him in jail) were the
second generation mob leaders that imerged during the 10 year war, 70 mob related
murders and bombings between 1953-1964 all here in Ohio.

Got to stop too far off topic.......

>
> Murgado's claim about seeing piles of Oswald's FPCC literature in
> Bringuier's office is simply absurd, in my view, if not downright
> insulting.

Particularly since Bringuier didn't have an office?

Good point...however he did have a storefront operation where lit could be
displayed. Problem is we have little or no "evidence" of what CB's operations
were really about....all we have is limited testimony. CIA files relating have
been witheld....see Jeff Morley's work.

jko

Just curious.

::Clark::

clarkw...@hotmail.com

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On May 22, 1:28 pm, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> <clarkwilk...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:b7f3899d-0e46-4ab4...@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

>
> On May 19, 12:34 pm, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8b8e5ee8-0986-4a9b...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >....but isn't there some "rumor" that Oswald showed a newspaper photo of the demo
> > in Mexico City?
>
> The "rumor" cotains a very accurate description of the photo shown the
> Cuban Consulate.
>
> Hey Clark....long time...hope all is well. I thought there was "a photo shown" but
> the mind is slipping and there is just so much one can retain, if it's not fresh.
>

You'll forgive me if I'm pleased to hear that I'm not the only one
whose mind is "slipping"? Time is our enemy. You and I have the
answers and no one to give them to.

>
>
> > That's how undercover roles are established. The impression of association
> > to the FPCC was firmly established. Yet it was "non functional" which also
> > indicates that it was just a front operation to establish bona fide association.
> > Why else would Oswald only seek two members Gus Hall and Ben Davis?
>
> It was 100% nonfunctional and intended to be nonfunctional. The first
> time Lee handed out leaflets, they had the wrong address for
> interested parties to respond to. You can't get more bogus than
> that.
>
> But Lee wanted Hall and Davis to have those cards.
>
> On a local and National level very few would care who joined that New Orleans chapter
> of the FPCC.....however if you have Hall and Davis as members it becomes noteworthy,
> even though it might seem "honorary" it ties them together. Since no effort was made
> to actually have local members and effort was made to keep people from joining, the
> only importance beyond Oswald's membership is that of Hall and Davis.
>

Exactly. Yet the LN mind thinks that Lee just picked them out of the
phonebook he didn't have.

> Hall's underground ties are in Detroit, Ohio and St. Louis...Davis in NY....the common
> bond is Cuban underground activities.

And the CPUSA.

>
> Since Hall did "kill" in his past (Warren, Ohio 1937) he was the most dangerous of the
> two.
>
> Members of Hall's underground were staffed with former members and active members
> of the Detroit Purple Gang....

Looking for a way to contact Castro via Hall?

>several hiding in Warren, Ohio with connections to St. Louis.
> One was also hiding in Cuba, he left the US after meeting with RFK. after Congressman Kirwin
> introduced a bill to keep him from being deported and it failed. Frank died in 1964 in a
> Cuban jail under strange circumstances.
>
> Kirwin is important since he was the "money man" in Congress....if you needed money
> for activities Kirwin was the man to see. Local mob leaders insured Kirwin's re-election.
> Congressman Trafficant's mob connections (the ones that put him in jail) were the
> second generation mob leaders that imerged during the 10 year war, 70 mob related
> murders and bombings between 1953-1964 all here in Ohio.
>
> Got to stop too far off topic.......

Evidently, it seems to have gone unnoticed anyway.

So how do you plan to get your info out?

>
>
>
> > Murgado's claim about seeing piles of Oswald's FPCC literature in
> > Bringuier's office is simply absurd, in my view, if not downright
> > insulting.
>
> Particularly since Bringuier didn't have an office?
>
> Good point...however he did have a storefront operation where lit could be
> displayed. Problem is we have little or no "evidence" of what CB's operations
> were really about....all we have is limited testimony. CIA files relating have
> been witheld....see Jeff Morley's work.

Jeff sent it to me in an info swap. That swap included what CB's
operations were really about.

::Clark::

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Hi James,

On May 20, 5:34 am, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8b8e5ee8-0986-4a9b...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> TOP POST
>
> Hi James,
>
> I think the crucial element that showsMurgado'sclaim to be fanciful

> is this claim about newspaper photographs.
>
> Tim: At face value true...however how many would question the "cover" of
> saying they saw a photo published instead of intelligence files? I spent
> two years photographing the war in VN and very few of my photos went
> beyond those who requested them....some were published in military
> newspapers (Army Olmstead) and Stars and Stripes (J. K. Olmstead).
> Yet DOD has everyone submitted, including motion picture footage.
>

I think that is fair enough, however Talbot specifically says
newspaper photos. If anyone was sharing inteeligence files, James,
wouldn't it have been RFK?

> On occassion intell photos are spread around and somebody associated
> with the event in some way my have been protecting "the source"....or
> just assumed that the photo was the same as one "published" yet it may
> not have been one actually published. It's a very grey area without "all
> the details".
>

True, though you are simply speculating about *intell photos*, James.
We know that both amatuer and news service FILMS were made of Oswald
in New Orleans, but all indications are that no stills were made from
those films until post assassination, November 1963.

> There never were any
> published at the time.
>
> True....but isn't there some "rumor" that Oswald showed a newspaper photo of the demo
> in Mexico City?
>

I believe that may come from Silvia Duran's HSCA testimony. I will
have to check. Certainly she mentions no such thing in her WC
published statement. My own view is that she was thinking of the
Oswald being bundled out of the Texas Theatre photo and got confused
in her own mind. I would be interested to see the photo in *El Dia*,
published the morning of 23 November, 1963, that she recognised as
Oswald.

> The only story published about Oswald at the
> time didn't feature a photograph and anyone reading it could only have
> come away with the impression that Oswald was working for the FPCC,
> not the FBI.
>
> That's how undercover roles are established. The impression of association
> to the FPCC was firmly established. Yet it was "non functional" which also
> indicates that it was just a front operation to establish bona fide association.
> Why else would Oswald only seek two members Gus Hall and Ben Davis?
>

I don't agree it was *non functional*. Oswald was seeking members.
Earlier published news reports would indicate that this guy, Oswald,
was a Communist, and thus sympathetic to people like Hall and Davis.

Those news reports were published WELL prior to Oswald setting up his
FPCC chapter in New Orleans and making Hall and Davis hoorary members,
James.

> As we both know, there were films made of both the Canal St
> leafletting incident and the ITM leafletting incident, one week later.
> However, stills were NEVER made from any of these films until AFTER
> the assassination, when the significance of the films was realised.
> Until then, Oswald's FPCC activities in New Orleans were a minor
> story.
>
> Explain why Navy personel can be seen in some of the footage taken by
> what's his name (he posted here). Can you explain the interest ONI/Navy would
> have on Oswald's "trial" by having men in uniform at the session? How
> many military were in civilian attire...with cameras?
>

I believe you mean Johann Rush, of WDSU TV, at the time. I think,
James, YOU need to explain why the presence of the guy in military
uniform is sinister. There is no indication that he has anything to do
with Oswald, or his trial. I think, James, to prove your theory, you
would have to identify the guy and then show that he HAD business at
the Court House that day that INVOLVED Oswald.

If you could prove that, I would listen. As it it is, in the existing
film, Oswald simply walks by the Navy guy and is unimpeded by him.
They appear to have no connection.

> Murgado'sclaim about seeing piles of Oswald's FPCC literature in

> Bringuier's office is simply absurd, in my view, if not downright
> insulting. Seems like an obvious embellishment of the story about the
> leaflets being stored in Guy Banister's office.
>
> The claim has to be looked at with an open mind. Guy as part of his
> interest in Cuban events could have such literature in his office. What
> we don't know is his motive and intent behind having this material. I
> don't find it odd he would have it around. I have KKK and Nazi material
> in my office, that does not mean I support either group....nor does it
> mean I'm active in fighting those groups.
>

The allegation is that it was stored there, at Casa Roca. That is
absurd, on the face of it.

> Thanks for the information re VOA. I will look into that angle. If you
> have any direct cites I would be interested in knowing them.
>
> Tim....most of the direct cites and material I have is reserved for my books
> or filmscripts. I try and make only general release of key material in
> these newsgroup discussions, I do try and provide docs when I can but
> sometimes it's split between 34 projects and I don't know where to find
> one "cite" that explains 20-100 pages of documents on the subject.
>
> A search at MF site on VOA may turn up material I just don't know how much
> would be enough to get you to turn to the "dark side".
>

LOL! James, I'm doing my best to turn YOU to the *dark side*! :-)

Regards,

Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*

> jko
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> On May 18, 3:52 am, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:043c5337-75fe-4822...@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > TOP POST
>
> > Hi John,
>

> > It appears thatMurgadois lying here:

>
> > QUOTE ON:
>
> > He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald
> > handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general
> > that as
> > far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI.
>
> > QUOTE OFF
>
> > There never WERE any published newspaper photos of Oswald handing out
> > his pro-Castro pamphlets until AFTER November 22, 1963.
>
> > Talbot has been taken in, just like Joan Mellen was taken in by Thomas
> > Edward Beckham.
>

> > We can only imagine that the rest ofMurgado'sclaims are equally as

> > > "According to Bay of Pigs veteran AngeloMurgado, he and a team of fellow

> > > Cuban exiles not only observed Oswald's suspicious activities in New
> > > Orleans in August 1963, they reported on him to Bobby Kennedy."
>

> > > "Murgadowas aligned with the Cuban exile faction led by Manual Artime,

> > > the Brigade's political leader."
>
> > > "Artime enjoyed access to Bobby Kennedy meeting with him in his Washington
> > > office, at Hickory Hill,and at the family's Palm Beach mansion."
>

> > > "Some Brigade veterans enlisted in the US military butMurgadochose to

> > > join the CIA's covert war on Havana.
>
> > > Trained in intelligence gathering methods, he began to detect suspicious
> > > activity among some of his fellow exiles in the Miami Cuban community, a
> > > dangerous level of chatter aimed at President Kennedy. He took his
> > > concerns to Artime, who was initially reluctant to do anything about them

> > > for fear of betraying Cuban comrades. But, saidMurgado, Artime finally

> > > agreed to set up a meeting with Bobby Kennedy where they could alert him
> > > to the threats against his brother."
>

> > > "At the meeting,Murgadotold the attorney general of his alarm about the

> > > growing anti-Kennedy passions in Cuban exile circles. "I told him that we
> > > have to keep a sharp eye on these Cubans. I was afraid that one of our
> > > guys would go crazy. And I said, The same way that a lot of people are
> > > trying to hit Castro, there are a lot of people trying to hit the
> > > President of the United States...we have a lot of crazy sons of bitches
> > > and they're willing to pull anything."
>

> > > "Murgadosaid that Bobby asked him to keep an eye on alarming Cuban exile

> > > activity and report back to him. "We asked, Why don't you tell the
> > > President and use the CIA or FBI ? And he said, no no no - he didn't trust
> > > any of the agencies. And he didn't want to load his brother down with this
> > > situation. So we went outside the CIA and we did this on a personal basis

> > > with Bobby." The attorney general paidMurgado'sexpenses out of his own

> > > pocket, according to the Bay of Pigs veteran. Setting up private
> > > intelligence operations that he tightly controlled was a well- established
> > > practice of Bobby Kennedy's throughout his political career."
>

> > > "In the summer of 1963,Murgado'ssurveillance work led him to New

> > > Orleans, where he came across a curious gringo named Lee Harvey Oswald.

> > >Murgadoand his compadres watched Oswald one day as he distributed his

> > > pro-Castro propaganda on the street. They later saw stacks of Oswald's
> > > pamphlets in the office of Carlos Bringuier, one of the local DRE
> > > delegates who had confronted Oswald in a raucous shouting match that New
> > > Orleans police would report appeared staged."
>

> > > "Murgado'steam came to the conclusion that Oswald was an FBI informant."
>
> > > "After returning to Florida,Murgadomet with Bobby again at his Palm

> > > Beach house, where he reported on his surveillance targets, including the
> > > mysterious Oswald. He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald
> > > handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as
> > > far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI. Bobby had never

> > > heard of Oswald, according toMurgado, but he did not seem concerned about

> > > him because of his apparent government role. "
>

> > > "IfMurgado'sstory is to be believed, it has historical significance.

> > > Assassination researchers have long speculated
>

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On May 22, 1:28 pm, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> <clarkwilk...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:b7f3899d-0e46-4ab4...@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
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> On May 19, 12:34 pm, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8b8e5ee8-0986-4a9b...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >....but isn't there some "rumor" that Oswald showed a newspaper photo of the demo
> > in Mexico City?
>
> The "rumor" cotains a very accurate description of the photo shown the
> Cuban Consulate.
>
> Hey Clark....long time...hope all is well. I thought there was "a photo shown" but
> the mind is slipping and there is just so much one can retain, if it's not fresh.
>

You'll forgive me if I'm pleased to hear that I'm not the only one
whose mind is "slipping"? Time is our enemy. You and I have the
answers and no one to give them to.

Clark some just don't want to hear the truth on key issues. The first and
foremost consideration is that history can not be locked into the belief
that Oswald acted alone as the case was presented by offical investigation.

>
>
> > That's how undercover roles are established. The impression of association
> > to the FPCC was firmly established. Yet it was "non functional" which also
> > indicates that it was just a front operation to establish bona fide association.
> > Why else would Oswald only seek two members Gus Hall and Ben Davis?
>
> It was 100% nonfunctional and intended to be nonfunctional. The first
> time Lee handed out leaflets, they had the wrong address for
> interested parties to respond to. You can't get more bogus than
> that.
>
> But Lee wanted Hall and Davis to have those cards.
>
> On a local and National level very few would care who joined that New Orleans chapter
> of the FPCC.....however if you have Hall and Davis as members it becomes noteworthy,
> even though it might seem "honorary" it ties them together. Since no effort was made
> to actually have local members and effort was made to keep people from joining, the
> only importance beyond Oswald's membership is that of Hall and Davis.
>

Exactly. Yet the LN mind thinks that Lee just picked them out of the
phonebook he didn't have.

True access to a phone or post was common enough for anyone to use. Nobody
had to own a phone to make a call....just like nobody had to own a postal service
to send coded mail.

> Hall's underground ties are in Detroit, Ohio and St. Louis...Davis in NY....the common
> bond is Cuban underground activities.

And the CPUSA.

Which Lee was not a member of but presented himself as a card carrying Marxist Red.

>
> Since Hall did "kill" in his past (Warren, Ohio 1937) he was the most dangerous of the
> two.
>
> Members of Hall's underground were staffed with former members and active members
> of the Detroit Purple Gang....

Looking for a way to contact Castro via Hall?

No there were members of a "White Rose" group in Cuba, which I believe was associated
with Oswald's cover. Castro's sister was a member of this group.....see her defection hearings
in Congressional committee. Oswald front organization and activities matched this groups interests.

>several hiding in Warren, Ohio with connections to St. Louis.
> One was also hiding in Cuba, he left the US after meeting with RFK. after Congressman Kirwin
> introduced a bill to keep him from being deported and it failed. Frank died in 1964 in a
> Cuban jail under strange circumstances.
>
> Kirwin is important since he was the "money man" in Congress....if you needed money
> for activities Kirwin was the man to see. Local mob leaders insured Kirwin's re-election.
> Congressman Trafficant's mob connections (the ones that put him in jail) were the
> second generation mob leaders that imerged during the 10 year war, 70 mob related
> murders and bombings between 1953-1964 all here in Ohio.
>
> Got to stop too far off topic.......

Evidently, it seems to have gone unnoticed anyway.

Nobody really looked into the Cuban exhile labor problems.....Cleveland, Detroit, St. Louis
were three areas that were in deep conflict over Cuban's getting jobs when unemployment
was so high......Gus plays into this

So how do you plan to get your info out?

I'm trying to have an agent take over the effort....however things have to wait due to
medical issues....another operation on June 11th.

>
>
>
> > Murgado's claim about seeing piles of Oswald's FPCC literature in
> > Bringuier's office is simply absurd, in my view, if not downright
> > insulting.
>
> Particularly since Bringuier didn't have an office?
>
> Good point...however he did have a storefront operation where lit could be
> displayed. Problem is we have little or no "evidence" of what CB's operations
> were really about....all we have is limited testimony. CIA files relating have
> been witheld....see Jeff Morley's work.

Jeff sent it to me in an info swap. That swap included what CB's
operations were really about.

Jeff really has provided a good starting point for further investigation, which
will go beyond the ARRB and will gather public support if Hanks does his
HBO series.

jko

::Clark::

James K. Olmstead

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Hi James,

On May 20, 5:34 am, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8b8e5ee8-0986-4a9b...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> TOP POST
>
> Hi James,
>
> I think the crucial element that showsMurgado'sclaim to be fanciful
> is this claim about newspaper photographs.
>
> Tim: At face value true...however how many would question the "cover" of
> saying they saw a photo published instead of intelligence files? I spent
> two years photographing the war in VN and very few of my photos went
> beyond those who requested them....some were published in military
> newspapers (Army Olmstead) and Stars and Stripes (J. K. Olmstead).
> Yet DOD has everyone submitted, including motion picture footage.
>

I think that is fair enough, however Talbot specifically says
newspaper photos. If anyone was sharing inteeligence files, James,
wouldn't it have been RFK?

Tim: In reality it was RFK's ballgame......and I don't have access to Talbot's
research and or sources.

> On occassion intell photos are spread around and somebody associated
> with the event in some way my have been protecting "the source"....or
> just assumed that the photo was the same as one "published" yet it may
> not have been one actually published. It's a very grey area without "all
> the details".
>

True, though you are simply speculating about *intell photos*, James.

Not really.....it is known that DGI agents were photographed in several cities
relating to a plot to blow up major US ports.....see the Casanova plot material.

We know that both amatuer and news service FILMS were made of Oswald
in New Orleans, but all indications are that no stills were made from
those films until post assassination, November 1963.

I agree....most of all news and amatuer film was released.....but not all U.S. intel.

> There never were any
> published at the time.
>
> True....but isn't there some "rumor" that Oswald showed a newspaper photo of the demo
> in Mexico City?
>

I believe that may come from Silvia Duran's HSCA testimony. I will
have to check. Certainly she mentions no such thing in her WC
published statement. My own view is that she was thinking of the
Oswald being bundled out of the Texas Theatre photo and got confused
in her own mind. I would be interested to see the photo in *El Dia*,
published the morning of 23 November, 1963, that she recognised as
Oswald.

I only consider it a rumor out of the Mexico City investigation....however there
are issues relating to photos taken in Mexico City that go beyond this rumor
that Oswald showed some staff a photo of his demo.

> The only story published about Oswald at the
> time didn't feature a photograph and anyone reading it could only have
> come away with the impression that Oswald was working for the FPCC,
> not the FBI.
>
> That's how undercover roles are established. The impression of association
> to the FPCC was firmly established. Yet it was "non functional" which also
> indicates that it was just a front operation to establish bona fide association.
> Why else would Oswald only seek two members Gus Hall and Ben Davis?
>

I don't agree it was *non functional*. Oswald was seeking members.

Giving them the wrong address to go to? He had no applications for membership
filled out.....it had no structure so how can you say it was "functional"?

Earlier published news reports would indicate that this guy, Oswald,
was a Communist, and thus sympathetic to people like Hall and Davis.

Have you studied his writings?

Those news reports were published WELL prior to Oswald setting up his
FPCC chapter in New Orleans and making Hall and Davis hoorary members,
James.

It was not known until after the assassination that Hall and Davis were sent membership
cards. How could there be news reports relating to Hall/Davis and Oswald's FPCC
chapter operations?

> As we both know, there were films made of both the Canal St
> leafletting incident and the ITM leafletting incident, one week later.

What about Walker's associate?

> However, stills were NEVER made from any of these films until AFTER
> the assassination, when the significance of the films was realised.
> Until then, Oswald's FPCC activities in New Orleans were a minor
> story.

Minor at the time to enhance Oswald's position.

>
> Explain why Navy personel can be seen in some of the footage taken by
> what's his name (he posted here). Can you explain the interest ONI/Navy would
> have on Oswald's "trial" by having men in uniform at the session? How
> many military were in civilian attire...with cameras?
>

I believe you mean Johann Rush, of WDSU TV, at the time. I think,

Yes, Rush is the guy....had mental breakdown on his name.

James, YOU need to explain why the presence of the guy in military
uniform is sinister. There is no indication that he has anything to do
with Oswald, or his trial. I think, James, to prove your theory, you
would have to identify the guy and then show that he HAD business at
the Court House that day that INVOLVED Oswald.

Tim.... my FOIA requests to the Navy relating to this were denied as was my
appeal several years ago.

If you could prove that, I would listen. As it it is, in the existing
film, Oswald simply walks by the Navy guy and is unimpeded by him.
They appear to have no connection.

I did'nt indicate that there was a direct relationship to this guy and Oswald,
it's the presence of the military at the trial that is not covered by the offical
investigation...which is why I contacted the Navy on this issue and they
denied me access to files....files that were scheduled to be destroyed that
I managed to get access to (not all.......but alot) before they disappeared
for ever.

> Murgado'sclaim about seeing piles of Oswald's FPCC literature in
> Bringuier's office is simply absurd, in my view, if not downright
> insulting. Seems like an obvious embellishment of the story about the
> leaflets being stored in Guy Banister's office.
>
> The claim has to be looked at with an open mind. Guy as part of his
> interest in Cuban events could have such literature in his office. What
> we don't know is his motive and intent behind having this material. I
> don't find it odd he would have it around. I have KKK and Nazi material
> in my office, that does not mean I support either group....nor does it
> mean I'm active in fighting those groups.
>

The allegation is that it was stored there, at Casa Roca. That is
absurd, on the face of it.

Maybe the author embellished or hinted at it.......but I believe the DRE would
have FPCC lit lying around if not just to bitch about it.

> Thanks for the information re VOA. I will look into that angle. If you
> have any direct cites I would be interested in knowing them.
>
> Tim....most of the direct cites and material I have is reserved for my books
> or filmscripts. I try and make only general release of key material in
> these newsgroup discussions, I do try and provide docs when I can but
> sometimes it's split between 34 projects and I don't know where to find
> one "cite" that explains 20-100 pages of documents on the subject.
>
> A search at MF site on VOA may turn up material I just don't know how much
> would be enough to get you to turn to the "dark side".
>

LOL! James, I'm doing my best to turn YOU to the *dark side*! :-)

Tim: I don't support any published CT...nor do I support the offical investigation.
so, you have to understand....I'm looking deeply at both. I'm not in this for
profit or fame.....only details left out of the record to establish a better understanding
of Oswald's motive and intent for his associated actions in the death of JFK.

tims...@gmail.com

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Hi James,

On Jun 2, 10:21 am, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:ceaa8abf-d88c-41c9...@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

>
> MIDDLE POST
>
> Hi James,
>
> On May 20, 5:34 am, "James K. Olmstead" <jolmst...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8b8e5ee8-0986-4a9b...@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > TOP POST
>
> > Hi James,
>
> > I think the crucial element that showsMurgado'sclaim to be fanciful
> > is this claim about newspaper photographs.
>
> > Tim: At face value true...however how many would question the "cover" of
> > saying they saw a photo published instead of intelligence files? I spent
> > two years photographing the war in VN and very few of my photos went
> > beyond those who requested them....some were published in military
> > newspapers (Army Olmstead) and Stars and Stripes (J. K. Olmstead).
> > Yet DOD has everyone submitted, including motion picture footage.
>
> I think that is fair enough, however Talbot specifically says
> newspaper photos. If anyone was sharing inteeligence files, James,
> wouldn't it have been RFK?
>
> Tim: In reality it was RFK's ballgame......and I don't have access to Talbot's
> research and or sources.
>

Talbot's source appears to be Murgado himself. Murgado says newspaper
photos. If he had access to intell photos wouldn't he have stated so?
Sounds much more exciting than newspaper photos, none of which existed
at the time that Murgado was supposedly showing them to RFK. It never
happened, in my view.

> > On occassion intell photos are spread around and somebody associated
> > with the event in some way my have been protecting "the source"....or
> > just assumed that the photo was the same as one "published" yet it may
> > not have been one actually published. It's a very grey area without "all
> > the details".
>
> True, though you are simply speculating about *intell photos*, James.
>
> Not really.....it is known that DGI agents were photographed in several cities
> relating to a plot to blow up major US ports.....see the Casanova plot material.
>

I believe you're still specualting, James. In forty five years no one
has ever turned up an *intell photo* of Oswald's FPCC leafletting
activities in New Orleans. Stills from amatuer and news films are,
however, well known. Perhaps Murgado saw some but didn't realise that
none were made until after Kennedy was dead.

> We know that both amatuer and news service FILMS were made of Oswald
> in New Orleans, but all indications are that no stills were made from
> those films until post assassination, November 1963.
>
> I agree....most of all news and amatuer film was released.....but not all U.S. intel.
>

Still speculation, as I see it.

> > There never were any
> > published at the time.
>
> > True....but isn't there some "rumor" that Oswald showed a newspaper photo of the demo
> > in Mexico City?
>
> I believe that may come from Silvia Duran's HSCA testimony. I will
> have to check. Certainly she mentions no such thing in her WC
> published statement. My own view is that she was thinking of the
> Oswald being bundled out of the Texas Theatre photo and got confused
> in her own mind. I would be interested to see the photo in *El Dia*,
> published the morning of 23 November, 1963, that she recognised as
> Oswald.
>
> I only consider it a rumor out of the Mexico City investigation....however there
> are issues relating to photos taken in Mexico City that go beyond this rumor
> that Oswald showed some staff a photo of his demo.
>

Well, maybe you should explain what they are. I think thee can be no
doubt that he was in Mexico City.

> > The only story published about Oswald at the
> > time didn't feature a photograph and anyone reading it could only have
> > come away with the impression that Oswald was working for the FPCC,
> > not the FBI.
>
> > That's how undercover roles are established. The impression of association
> > to the FPCC was firmly established. Yet it was "non functional" which also
> > indicates that it was just a front operation to establish bona fide association.
> > Why else would Oswald only seek two members Gus Hall and Ben Davis?
>
> I don't agree it was *non functional*. Oswald was seeking members.
>
> Giving them the wrong address to go to? He had no applications for membership
> filled out.....it had no structure so how can you say it was "functional"?
>

His FPCC leaflets had his PO Box number on (incorrectly, but
marginally so) on August 9 at Canal St and had his home address
(correctly) on August 16 at ITM. You can't claim he wasn't trying to
recruit members, James. He was.

> Earlier published news reports would indicate that this guy, Oswald,
> was a Communist, and thus sympathetic to people like Hall and Davis.
>
> Have you studied his writings?
>

The guy is a left winger, in my view. By every word and deed, in the
1960s, this guy would have been classed as a Commie in the US and a
Commo in Australia. the Cold War was at its height.

> Those news reports were published WELL prior to Oswald setting up his
> FPCC chapter in New Orleans and making Hall and Davis hoorary members,
> James.
>
> It was not known until after the assassination that Hall and Davis were sent membership
> cards. How could there be news reports relating to Hall/Davis and Oswald's FPCC
> chapter operations?
>

I'm stating that Oswald was quoted in US newspapers, prior to the
assassination, showing support for left wing causes. You know that.

> > As we both know, there were films made of both the Canal St
> > leafletting incident and the ITM leafletting incident, one week later.
>
> What about Walker's associate?
>

His film was examined by the FBI, and found to contain nothing of
value, to my understanding.

> > However, stills were NEVER made from any of these films until AFTER
> > the assassination, when the significance of the films was realised.
> > Until then, Oswald's FPCC activities in New Orleans were a minor
> > story.
>
> Minor at the time to enhance Oswald's position.
>

Hmm, Oswald was espousing deeply held beliefs and support for left
wing causes, in my view.

>
>
> > Explain why Navy personel can be seen in some of the footage taken by
> > what's his name (he posted here). Can you explain the interest ONI/Navy would
> > have on Oswald's "trial" by having men in uniform at the session? How
> > many military were in civilian attire...with cameras?
>
> I believe you mean Johann Rush, of WDSU TV, at the time. I think,
>
> Yes, Rush is the guy....had mental breakdown on his name.
>

OK.

> James, YOU need to explain why the presence of the guy in military
> uniform is sinister. There is no indication that he has anything to do
> with Oswald, or his trial. I think, James, to prove your theory, you
> would have to identify the guy and then show that he HAD business at
> the Court House that day that INVOLVED Oswald.
>
> Tim.... my FOIA requests to the Navy relating to this were denied as was my
> appeal several years ago.
>
> If you could prove that, I would listen. As it it is, in the existing
> film, Oswald simply walks by the Navy guy and is unimpeded by him.
> They appear to have no connection.
>
> I did'nt indicate that there was a direct relationship to this guy and Oswald,
> it's the presence of the military at the trial that is not covered by the offical
> investigation...which is why I contacted the Navy on this issue and they
> denied me access to files....files that were scheduled to be destroyed that
> I managed to get access to (not all.......but alot) before they disappeared
> for ever.
>

The military guy is present at the Court House on the day of Oswald's
trial. That doesn't mean he is at Oswald's trial. More matters than
Oswald's would presumably have been dealt with by Justice Edwin A.
Babylon that day.

> > Murgado'sclaim about seeing piles of Oswald's FPCC literature in
> > Bringuier's office is simply absurd, in my view, if not downright
> > insulting. Seems like an obvious embellishment of the story about the
> > leaflets being stored in Guy Banister's office.
>
> > The claim has to be looked at with an open mind. Guy as part of his
> > interest in Cuban events could have such literature in his office. What
> > we don't know is his motive and intent behind having this material. I
> > don't find it odd he would have it around. I have KKK and Nazi material
> > in my office, that does not mean I support either group....nor does it
> > mean I'm active in fighting those groups.
>
> The allegation is that it was stored there, at Casa Roca. That is
> absurd, on the face of it.
>
> Maybe the author embellished or hinted at it.......but I believe the DRE would
> have FPCC lit lying around if not just to bitch about it.
>

They could well have had examples of things Oswald had handed out, but
Murgado indicates that the leaflet material was storckpiled there.
That is not credible, in my view.

> > Thanks for the information re VOA. I will look into that angle. If you
> > have any direct cites I would be interested in knowing them.
>
> > Tim....most of the direct cites and material I have is reserved for my books
> > or filmscripts. I try and make only general release of key material in
> > these newsgroup discussions, I do try and provide docs when I can but
> > sometimes it's split between 34 projects and I don't know where to find
> > one "cite" that explains 20-100 pages of documents on the subject.
>
> > A search at MF site on VOA may turn up material I just don't know how much
> > would be enough to get you to turn to the "dark side".
>
> LOL! James, I'm doing my best to turn YOU to the *dark side*! :-)
>
> Tim: I don't support any published CT...nor do I support the offical investigation.
> so, you have to understand....I'm looking deeply at both. I'm not in this for
> profit or fame.....only details left out of the record to establish a better understanding
> of Oswald's motive and intent for his associated actions in the death of JFK.
>

OK, though I think portraying Oswald as anything other than a rampant
left winger at the height of the Cold War is a pretty brave stance to
take.

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