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In article <ee788f5e-1206-45a1-b625-c152561ada03@googlegroups.com>, Saintly
Oswald says...
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>This is a photo said to be of CE 543 of the relevant part, I believe. I 
>can't get to the actual web page because I have been banned from that 
>forum, for heresy. I got it from a Google picture search and put it on my 
>profile page.
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>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-oDTEkSG677M/UIpNVfW8WuI/AAAAAAAAAWA/_tExHn9FRVM/s600/CE543Primer.jpg
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>This is a crop and enlargement I did, adjusting the contrast and brightness=
>. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v5fKtuZ8ZLA/UIpOa4NWSyI/AAAAAAAAAWk/uu=
>1ELdFkTYM/s539/CE543PrimerCrop.jpg
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>If you search Google Images for "CE 543 primer" you will find the page I'm 
>not allowed to see. Maybe it says something there.

Sorry about you being kicked out of a club but what the hell.  It happens.

Thanks for your information.  There is certainly only one indention mark on the
primer but it does seem to be deeper than what we usually see.  I assume that
the other two primers were not penetrated so deep?

Simply because the penetration of the primer is deeper doesn't necessary mean
that the primer was struck twice.  The firing pin only goes so far and stops so
striking the primer again shouldn't deepen the mark on the primer.

To tell you the truth, I can't explain it.

If you find something on this please let me know.

Bill Clarke



>On Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:52:57 PM UTC-4, Bill Clarke wrote:
>> In article <55ffa2cd-c7b3-4d78-b2e1-6caf923135e6@googlegroups.com>, Saint=
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>> Oswald says...
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>> >I think I found where I got this notion. I'm not saying it is correct, b=
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>> >I'll just post it in case you or anybody else is interested. http://www.=
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>> >riffith.com/web_documents/dent.htm
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>> >Quoted from that web page below is a Howard Donahue, "a court-certified =
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>> >earms expert and a world-class marksman."
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>> >"I will refer you to Professor Thompson's book, Six Seconds in Dallas, p=
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>> > 144, exhibit no. 543. Dr. Thompson discovered this case had been fired =
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>> >y fired) at least three times."
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>> >This is why I tend not to discuss this kind of evidence. One person say =
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>> >discovered that the shell had been dry fired. Another says that can't ev=
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>> >be done. What am I supposed to do? I'd have to buy the gun myself to fin=
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>> >ut. That's why I like the photo evidence.
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>> I read the article and this is just flat wrong; "Thus, the evidence prove=
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>> conclusively that Commission Exhibit 543 could not have been fired from=
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>> Oswald's rifle. . . . (Crime of the Century, Knoxville: University of=20
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>> Tennessee Press, 1982, pp. 50-51, emphasis added)."
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>> True, the dented case couldn't be fired but they ignore the fact that it=
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>> confusion here, especially by people alleging to be experts.
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>> What concerns me more is the supposedly two or even three indention marks=
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>> on the primer.  This is hard to explain.  A primer only works the first=
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>> time so what caused the other marks.  Have you seen a picture of this=20
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>> primer?
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>> As for dry firing with the case without a bullet I doubt it.  Without the=
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>> bullet to guide the case into the chamber you would have many jams I=20
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>> think.  On top of that I have had people other than Marsh tell me you=20
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>> cannot load the MC by hand so that rules that out.
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>> Dry firing refers to working the bolt and pulling the trigger without a=
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>> round in the chamber.  This is hard on the firing pin and can even cause=
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>> it to break. They make dummy rounds to put in the chamber to prevent this=
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>> injury so maybe Oswald knew this from Marine days and put an empty round=
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>> into the chamber to practice with.
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>> Is there a photo of this case head on the net?
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>> Bill Clarke
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