kennedy
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clip? where was the clip?
also oswald had a revolver, how could there be shell cases at the
scene of officer tippets shooting? revolers do not eject shells...
what happend to the Mauser that was first found in the book
depository?
also a marksman in the marine corp is the lowest rating for a shooter,
it goes Marksman, sharpshooter, expert.
at that time qualification for any of the medals were 190 out of 250
just for marksmen.. this actually means that oswald could not have hit
his target with that type of precision...
impossible.
did you know one of the bums was Frank Sturgis... CIA, mercendary and
more. including Watergate
just curious about this..
Barb Junkkarinen
>I was wondering, how a carcano rifle can fire without using a stripper
>clip?
The carcano does not use a "stripper clip" ... it uses an en bloc
clip. A carcano can befired with no clip, but one has to hand load
each round. The en bloc clip holds 6 rounds and the entire clip (with
ammo) is loaded into, and remains in the rifle until after the last
round has been chambered.
>where was the clip?
In the slot where it belonged. It did not fall from its position after
the last round was chambered ... as is known to happen sometimes; it
can be seen dangling from the bottom of the rifle in a pic taken of
Day carrying the rifle outside the TSBD. That photo is online
someplace, I think ... you might try the Lancer site, and it appears
in "FOUR DAYS" as weel.
>
>also oswald had a revolver, how could there be shell cases at the
>scene of officer tippets shooting? revolers do not eject shells...
Done manually.
>
>what happend to the Mauser that was first found in the book
>depository?
Misidentification as a mauser vs carcano. Mausers are similar in
appearance and were prevalent at the time. There are still those who
will argue this point and maintain a mauser was found. It's definitely
the carcano seen being carried out of the TSBD ,,,, and in the Alyea
film taken in the TSBD when the rifle was found.
>also a marksman in the marine corp is the lowest rating for a shooter,
>it goes Marksman, sharpshooter, expert.
>at that time qualification for any of the medals were 190 out of 250
>just for marksmen.. this actually means that oswald could not have hit
>his target with that type of precision...
>impossible.
People go round and round on this, but one doesn't have to have been
qualified as anything anywhere to be able to shoot a carcano. I have
one. Also shot one before I had mine ... hadn't shot a rifle since I
was a kid and put 6 rounds into a decent sized circle first time out
.... they were a few inches high and to the right of dead center where
I was aiming though.
>did you know one of the bums was Frank Sturgis... CIA, mercendary and
>more. including Watergate
A few people still debate this too, but all three tramps were
identified some years agho when the LaFontaines found their arrest
records in the Dallas city/police archives.
>
>just curious about this..
Curiosity is a good thing. :-)
I am an avowed conpiracy believer, by the way. Some dogs just don't
hunt. :-)
Bests,
Barb :-)
>
Jean Davison
Jean
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Barb Junkkarinen
<walter.jeff...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Excellent post, Barb. :-)
> Jean
<blush> :-)
Gerry Simone (O)
Why would anyone manually eject the casings in a revolver if there are no
other targets to shoot at?
Gerry
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John Fiorentino
"I am an avowed conpiracy believer, by the way. Some dogs just don't
hunt." :-)
Thank you Walter Matthau!
John F.
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John Canal
says...
Hi Barb,
Good to see you posting again.
Re. the tramps, several years ago, I ran into John Gedney at a local
Barnes & Noble and had a nice chat with him while we had some coffee.
Remarkably, he said, while the Dallas Police certainly grilled him and his
two travel mates, Harold Doyle and Gus Abrams, for about four days
following the assassination, the FBI never questioned him in connection
with the case, until 1992. That event with the FBI was triggered when
Stone's movie, JFK, was credited by some with forcing the Dallas Police to
release their files on the Kennedy assassination...and Gedney's name was
released. The never-too-late FBI tracked him down to where he had lived
since 1983...right here in our quiet (barring hurricanes) little town.
Fascinating how little our world really is.
It seems to me that I read where Gedney had passed a year or so
ago....which wouldn't surprise me if it was true as he was about 76 and in
not-so-good health even then.
One thing he said I'll never forget. He said that while in their jail
cell, one of Dallas' finest said something like, "You guys are
lucky..you're among the few to see Kennedy's killer still alive." After
that, Gedney always thought Ruby had inside help...which this "buff-LN"
always assumed was true anyway.
:-)
Bests,
John
Barb Junkkarinen
<newdec...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hi Barb,
>
>Why would anyone manually eject the casings in a revolver if there are no
>other targets to shoot at?
May have thought they may need to reload ... who knows, but witnesses
reported the shooter dumping casings from his gun as he left the
scene.
Barb :-)
Martin Shackelford
Martin
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robc...@netscape.com
> I was wondering, how a carcano rifle can fire without using a stripper
> clip? where was the clip?
This is a very interesting question. Obviously, there would need to
be a clip or he definitely could not have fired 3 shots in 6.7 seconds
by hand feeding the bullets, but I have never seen a picture of the
"murder weapon" with a clip in it. I just checked all my books on the
subject (around 40 books) and could not find one with the clip in the
gun. Clip or no clip, we can be pretty certain that he did not fire a
single shot due to other evidence.
>
> also oswald had a revolver, how could there be shell cases at the
> scene of officer tippets shooting? revolers do not eject shells...
No they do not. This whole episode raises a bunch of questions. The
first detective on the scene initialed the bullets he found (fired
from an automatic weapon) so they would maintain a chain of evidence.
The bullets presented to the Warren commission did not bear his
initials, so they obviously were switched. Oswald would have to be
real stupid to take out the empty bullets and throw them on the ground
right next to the cop he supposedly just shot.
>
> what happend to the Mauser that was first found in the book
> depository?
> also a marksman in the marine corp is the lowest rating for a shooter,
> it goes Marksman, sharpshooter, expert.
> at that time qualification for any of the medals were 190 out of 250
> just for marksmen.. this actually means that oswald could not have hit
> his target with that type of precision...
> impossible.
> did you know one of the bums was Frank Sturgis... CIA, mercendary and
> more. including Watergate
>
> just curious about this..
It got hidden with the other two guns they discovered (four were found
in all) so they could emphatically say they had the murder weapon with
the Carcano. The cop that found the gun and proclaimed it to be a
Mauser had years of experience in weaponry and would know the
difference. Besides, a Mauser makes more sense for a hit as it was
used by the Germans in WWI & WWII as a sniper rifle and is much more
stable than the crappy Manlicher Carcano.
It doesn't really matter what Oswald rated as the best of the best in
the world have not been able to duplicated what the Warren Commission
claimed Oswald accomplished and these were under better, controlled
circumstances unlike what Oswald would have been dealing with (i.e. a
tree in the way).
One of the bums has been claimed to be Frank Sturgis. One of them has
been claimed to be E. Howard Hunt as well (the old one). Both of these
men were placed in Dallas by Marita Lorenz (CIA operative) in her
testimony in the 1980s against E.H. Hunt who was trying to sell the
CIA out. Mark Lane brought all of this to light. She said she left
Miami on November 21, 1963 with her handler, Frank Fiorini a.k.a.
Frank Sturgis in two cars loaded with guns and two other men and
headed for Dallas on a high priority case. She did not know the
details according to her. They checked into a hotel and E.H. Hunt
showed up with a bunch of money (presumably to pay the hit men) and
they discussed some basic things. She was told she would just be a
decoy, but she still wanted no part of this as she had a bad feeling.
She told Frank she just wanted to go home to her daughter (whose
father was none other than Fidel Castro - she had been planted by the
CIA as part of "Operation Mongoose" in their attempts to kill him).
Frank agreed to drive her to the airport but not before another
visitor showed up - Jack Ruby! He supposedly stayed for 40 minutes,
but she did not know what was discussed. Since Ruby was seen with a
man who had a rifle near the triple underpass on the day of the
assassination, we can guess the details. All three tramps (who
certainly didn't look like tramps) were released with no records of
their arrest.
Good questions.
Barb Junkkarinen
<johnfio...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Barb:
>
> "I am an avowed conpiracy believer, by the way. Some dogs just don't
> hunt." :-)
>
>Thank you Walter Matthau!
I must be too young for that one?<g>
Barb :-)
Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
A little here, a little there ....
>
>Re. the tramps, several years ago, I ran into John Gedney at a local
>Barnes & Noble and had a nice chat with him while we had some coffee.
Interesting! I don't think you ever told me that.
>
>Remarkably, he said, while the Dallas Police certainly grilled him and his
>two travel mates, Harold Doyle and Gus Abrams, for about four days
>following the assassination, the FBI never questioned him in connection
>with the case, until 1992. That event with the FBI was triggered when
>Stone's movie, JFK, was credited by some with forcing the Dallas Police to
>release their files on the Kennedy assassination...and Gedney's name was
>released. The never-too-late FBI tracked him down to where he had lived
>since 1983...right here in our quiet (barring hurricanes) little town.
I think one of the tramps was found in southern Oregon somewhere too
....
>
>Fascinating how little our world really is.
Definitely!
>
>It seems to me that I read where Gedney had passed a year or so
>ago....which wouldn't surprise me if it was true as he was about 76 and in
>not-so-good health even then.
>
>One thing he said I'll never forget. He said that while in their jail
>cell, one of Dallas' finest said something like, "You guys are
>lucky..you're among the few to see Kennedy's killer still alive." After
>that, Gedney always thought Ruby had inside help...which this "buff-LN"
>always assumed was true anyway.
Hmmm. I don't think I knew that about you either.
You holding out on me?<g>
>
>:-)
>
>Bests,
>
>John
Moi :-)
(Got lasered Friday ... interesting)
Anthony Marsh
> On Oct 6, 11:49 am, meta711dra...@aol.com wrote:
>> I was wondering, how a carcano rifle can fire without using a stripper
>> clip? where was the clip?
>
> This is a very interesting question. Obviously, there would need to
> be a clip or he definitely could not have fired 3 shots in 6.7 seconds
> by hand feeding the bullets, but I have never seen a picture of the
Do you know how incredibly difficult it is to hand load a
Mannlicher-Carcano? Obviously not as you do not have one yourself. It was
precisely this problem which caused the importers to think the rifle was
defective after so many customers complained. They did not realize that
the rifle needs a clip.
> "murder weapon" with a clip in it. I just checked all my books on the
You should check WC documents also.
http://the-puzzle-palace.com/CE541c.jpg
> subject (around 40 books) and could not find one with the clip in the
> gun. Clip or no clip, we can be pretty certain that he did not fire a
> single shot due to other evidence.
There is no absolute proof either way that he did or did not fire his
rifle that day.
>> also oswald had a revolver, how could there be shell cases at the
>> scene of officer tippets shooting? revolers do not eject shells...
>
> No they do not. This whole episode raises a bunch of questions. The
> first detective on the scene initialed the bullets he found (fired
> from an automatic weapon) so they would maintain a chain of evidence.
Or forgot to do so, or did not bear down had enough to make a visible
scratch.
> The bullets presented to the Warren commission did not bear his
> initials, so they obviously were switched. Oswald would have to be
Not obviously. It could be the cop's error.
> real stupid to take out the empty bullets and throw them on the ground
> right next to the cop he supposedly just shot.
Not stupid at all. Many shooters reload immediately when they may have to
keep shooting their way out. What if he hadn't reloaded and a bystander
picked up the cop's revolver and shot him?
>> what happend to the Mauser that was first found in the book
>> depository?
>> also a marksman in the marine corp is the lowest rating for a shooter,
>> it goes Marksman, sharpshooter, expert.
>> at that time qualification for any of the medals were 190 out of 250
>> just for marksmen.. this actually means that oswald could not have hit
>> his target with that type of precision...
>> impossible.
>> did you know one of the bums was Frank Sturgis... CIA, mercendary and
>> more. including Watergate
>>
>> just curious about this..
>
> It got hidden with the other two guns they discovered (four were found
> in all) so they could emphatically say they had the murder weapon with
> the Carcano. The cop that found the gun and proclaimed it to be a
That's silly. False reports do not equal evidence or a fact.
> Mauser had years of experience in weaponry and would know the
> difference. Besides, a Mauser makes more sense for a hit as it was
No, he did not. and he admitted his mistake.
> used by the Germans in WWI & WWII as a sniper rifle and is much more
> stable than the crappy Manlicher Carcano.
>
> It doesn't really matter what Oswald rated as the best of the best in
> the world have not been able to duplicated what the Warren Commission
> claimed Oswald accomplished and these were under better, controlled
> circumstances unlike what Oswald would have been dealing with (i.e. a
> tree in the way).
>
> One of the bums has been claimed to be Frank Sturgis. One of them has
No, that is false. None of the tramps claimed to be any CIA officer or
agent.
> been claimed to be E. Howard Hunt as well (the old one). Both of these
> men were placed in Dallas by Marita Lorenz (CIA operative) in her
> testimony in the 1980s against E.H. Hunt who was trying to sell the
Most likely Lorenz was making it up to sell a story.
> CIA out. Mark Lane brought all of this to light. She said she left
> Miami on November 21, 1963 with her handler, Frank Fiorini a.k.a.
> Frank Sturgis in two cars loaded with guns and two other men and
> headed for Dallas on a high priority case. She did not know the
> details according to her. They checked into a hotel and E.H. Hunt
> showed up with a bunch of money (presumably to pay the hit men) and
> they discussed some basic things. She was told she would just be a
> decoy, but she still wanted no part of this as she had a bad feeling.
> She told Frank she just wanted to go home to her daughter (whose
> father was none other than Fidel Castro - she had been planted by the
> CIA as part of "Operation Mongoose" in their attempts to kill him).
> Frank agreed to drive her to the airport but not before another
> visitor showed up - Jack Ruby! He supposedly stayed for 40 minutes,
> but she did not know what was discussed. Since Ruby was seen with a
> man who had a rifle near the triple underpass on the day of the
> assassination, we can guess the details. All three tramps (who
> certainly didn't look like tramps) were released with no records of
> their arrest.
>
The records were "misplaced" but did exist.
>
> Good questions.
>
>
David Von Pein
No, you're not, Barb. Walter Matthau said the "dogs don't hunt" line
during his one short airplane scene in Oliver Stone's "JFK". Along with
this other ridiculous dialogue (that's not based on anything but a gut
feeling of Senator Long's....assuming he actually said any of these things
to Jimbo Garrison on that aircraft, which he might very well have done; I
don't know for sure):
[Paraphrasing a portion of Walter M.'s "JFK" dialogue....]
"Oh, don't get me started on that shit {i.e., the JFK
assassination}. Nobody's gonna tell me he did the shooting from that damn
book store. .... They're tellin' us that Oswald got off three shots with a
bolt-action rifle, with world-class precision, in less than six seconds.
An average man would be lucky to get off two shots....and I tell ya the
first shot would ALWAYS be the best. Here, the third shot's perfect. On
top of that, he's got Maggie's Drawers. You know what that means? It means
he wasn't any good. .... Maybe Oswald was just what he said he was -- a
patsy."
[/Oscar Madison Mode Off]
THE BRAINWASHING OF AMERICA (A LA MOVIE DIRECTOR OLIVER STONE):
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/51b89da58d3e6489
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9bce073792dae800
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/22e70f88404a998b
Anthony Marsh
> Hi Barb,
>
> Why would anyone manually eject the casings in a revolver if there are no
> other targets to shoot at?
>
A bystander could pick up the cop's gun and shoot him.
Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
>>>> "I must be too young for that one?" <<<
>
>No, you're not, Barb.
WELL!
<g>
>Walter Matthau said the "dogs don't hunt" line
>during his one short airplane scene in Oliver Stone's "JFK". Along with
>this other ridiculous dialogue (that's not based on anything but a gut
>feeling of Senator Long's....assuming he actually said any of these things
>to Jimbo Garrison on that aircraft, which he might very well have done; I
>don't know for sure):
I guess you know that movie MUCH better than I do. :-)
>
>[Paraphrasing a portion of Walter M.'s "JFK" dialogue....]
>
> "Oh, don't get me started on that shit {i.e., the JFK
>assassination}. Nobody's gonna tell me he did the shooting from that damn
>book store. .... They're tellin' us that Oswald got off three shots with a
>bolt-action rifle, with world-class precision, in less than six seconds.
>An average man would be lucky to get off two shots....and I tell ya the
>first shot would ALWAYS be the best. Here, the third shot's perfect. On
>top of that, he's got Maggie's Drawers. You know what that means? It means
>he wasn't any good. .... Maybe Oswald was just what he said he was -- a
>patsy."
>
>[/Oscar Madison Mode Off]
Now THAT I know .... just saw the local theatre group's rendition of
the Odd Couple a couple weeks ago too.
>
>
>THE BRAINWASHING OF AMERICA (A LA MOVIE DIRECTOR OLIVER STONE):
Spare me. Sigh.
Barb :-)
>
>www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/51b89da58d3e6489
>
>www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9bce073792dae800
>
>www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/22e70f88404a998b
>
David Von Pein
www.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/83e4f492d2ef97d0
>>> "Just saw the local theatre group's rendition of the Odd Couple a couple weeks ago..." <<<
Oh, yeah! The one with Vincent Bugliosi as the nicely-groomed and
usually-correct Felix and Mark Lane as that cigar-smoking slob, Oscar!
I saw it too. Good stuff....especially when Vince went outside the
script and ripped Mark a well-deserved new crack when he called
in an actress to take the mock "witness stand" to play the part of
Helen Markham, with Vince then proceeding to destroy Lane's
credibility in public via the following "testimony" (which is
something I'm dying to see VB do in real life in some fashion,
btw).....
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8a64790b792f771f
>>> "Spare me. Sigh." <<<
<even bigger sigh heaved back at Barb>
Hey! Is that any way to talk to your pipeline to common sense re. the
events surrounding 11/22/1963 AD? I ask you....is it?
P.S.:
:-) and/or <g>
Additional nuggets of pure common sense and logic located here:
John Canal
:-)
Naa...we just pretty much never talk about any aspects of this case other than
the head wounds.
>>:-)
>>
>>Bests,
>>
>>John
>
>Moi :-)
>(Got lasered Friday ... interesting)
I was going to call you after Davis got back to me...hopefully by tomorrow or
Wed. I want to get the details about the lasering then too.
Have a good one.
:-)
John
Barb Junkkarinen
Anthony Marsh
>>>> "Just saw the local theatre group's rendition of the Odd Couple a
couple weeks ago..." <<<
>
>
> Oh, yeah! The one with Vincent Bugliosi as the nicely-groomed and
> usually-correct Felix and Mark Lane as that cigar-smoking slob, Oscar!
>
> I saw it too. Good stuff....especially when Vince went outside the
> script and ripped Mark a well-deserved new crack when he called
> in an actress to take the mock "witness stand" to play the part of
> Helen Markham, with Vince then proceeding to destroy Lane's
> credibility in public via the following "testimony" (which is
> something I'm dying to see VB do in real life in some fashion,
> btw).....
>
Well, I guess to some people, such as the CIA, that is the only way to
refute someone, by attacking their credibility. Never with any facts.
David Von Pein
>>> "Well, I guess to some people, such as the CIA, that is the only way
to refute someone, by attacking their credibility. Never with any facts."
<<<
As if the despicable tactics used by Mark Lane (when he did everything in
his power to shove a "heavy, bushy-haired" killer down the gullet of a
woman named Helen) aren't considered FACTS.
Think again, Mr. Marsh. You'll think of something to rescue Mr. Lane's
miserable credibility, I'm sure. Right?
(The mere fact that Lane wears a hat marked "CTer" is probably enough to
rescue Lane right there. Right, Tone?)
Anthony Marsh
>>>> "I must be too young for that one?" <<<
>
> No, you're not, Barb. Walter Matthau said the "dogs don't hunt" line
> during his one short airplane scene in Oliver Stone's "JFK". Along with
> this other ridiculous dialogue (that's not based on anything but a gut
> feeling of Senator Long's....assuming he actually said any of these things
> to Jimbo Garrison on that aircraft, which he might very well have done; I
> don't know for sure):
>
Walter Matthau did not make up Maggie's Drawers. That came from one of
Oswald's fellow Marines. In Hollywood that is known as a composite
character.
Anthony Marsh
You keep proving that your only available tactic is to attack someone's
credibility, a CIA tactic.
robc...@netscape.com
> robcap...@netscape.com wrote:
> > On Oct 6, 11:49 am, meta711dra...@aol.com wrote:
> >> I was wondering, how a carcano rifle can fire without using a stripper
> >> clip? where was the clip?
>
> > This is a very interesting question. Obviously, there would need to
> > be a clip or he definitely could not have fired 3 shots in 6.7 seconds
> > by hand feeding the bullets, but I have never seen a picture of the
>
> Do you know how incredibly difficult it is to hand load a
> Mannlicher-Carcano? Obviously not as you do not have one yourself. It was
> precisely this problem which caused the importers to think the rifle was
> defective after so many customers complained. They did not realize that
> the rifle needs a clip.
Sorry I don't as I would never hunt with a piece of junk like that, I have
good rifles. Where is the clip? Answer the man's question. - RDC
>
> > "murder weapon" with a clip in it. I just checked all my books on the
>
> You should check WC documents also.
Why should I keep checking a 1964 source when so much has been updated
since then? - RDC
>
> Not stupid at all. Many shooters reload immediately when they may have to
> keep shooting their way out. What if he hadn't reloaded and a bystander
> picked up the cop's revolver and shot him?
Have you ever heard of pockets? - RDC
>
>
> >> what happend to the Mauser that was first found in the book
> >> depository?
> >> also a marksman in the marine corp is the lowest rating for a shooter,
> >> it goes Marksman, sharpshooter, expert.
> >> at that time qualification for any of the medals were 190 out of 250
> >> just for marksmen.. this actually means that oswald could not have hit
> >> his target with that type of precision...
> >> impossible.
> >> did you know one of the bums was Frank Sturgis... CIA, mercendary and
> >> more. including Watergate
>
> >> just curious about this..
>
> > It got hidden with the other two guns they discovered (four were found
> > in all) so they could emphatically say they had the murder weapon with
> > the Carcano. The cop that found the gun and proclaimed it to be a
>
> That's silly. False reports do not equal evidence or a fact.
What are you talking about? RDC
>
> > Mauser had years of experience in weaponry and would know the
> > difference. Besides, a Mauser makes more sense for a hit as it was
>
> No, he did not. and he admitted his mistake.
Yeah, after coercive treatment he did. What is hard about looking a
gun stamped "Mauser" and one stamped "Made in Italy"? RDC
>
> > One of the bums has been claimed to be Frank Sturgis. One of them has
>
> No, that is false. None of the tramps claimed to be any CIA officer or
> agent.
Do you have any proof? You OTBers always demand proof from us guys.
Or are we supposed to take your word for it? RDC
>
> Most likely Lorenz was making it up to sell a story.
>
I don't think so since this was under oath and she wouldn't be allowed
to name names without the blessing of the CIA - which she obviously
had. RDC
All three tramps (who certainly didn't look like tramps) were
released with no records of their arrest.
>
> The records were "misplaced" but did exist.
Sure, and a bullet can cause seven wounds in two men and be pristine
too. Wink, wink. RDC
Anthony Marsh
> On Oct 7, 9:59 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> robcap...@netscape.com wrote:
>>> On Oct 6, 11:49 am, meta711dra...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> I was wondering, how a carcano rifle can fire without using a stripper
>>>> clip? where was the clip?
>>> This is a very interesting question. Obviously, there would need to
>>> be a clip or he definitely could not have fired 3 shots in 6.7 seconds
>>> by hand feeding the bullets, but I have never seen a picture of the
>> Do you know how incredibly difficult it is to hand load a
>> Mannlicher-Carcano? Obviously not as you do not have one yourself. It was
>> precisely this problem which caused the importers to think the rifle was
>> defective after so many customers complained. They did not realize that
>> the rifle needs a clip.
>
> Sorry I don't as I would never hunt with a piece of junk like that, I have
> good rifles. Where is the clip? Answer the man's question. - RDC
>
I did answer it. The clip is in the National Archives.
>>> "murder weapon" with a clip in it. I just checked all my books on the
>> You should check WC documents also.
>
> Why should I keep checking a 1964 source when so much has been updated
> since then? - RDC
>
Because you said you checked everywhere and couldn't find it. Yet you
failed to start with the official records.
No conspiracy book can reproduce all the thousands of WC exhibits.
That's why we have them online now, for people like you.
>
>> Not stupid at all. Many shooters reload immediately when they may have to
>> keep shooting their way out. What if he hadn't reloaded and a bystander
>> picked up the cop's revolver and shot him?
>
> Have you ever heard of pockets? - RDC
Ever heard of someone being shot because his gun was empty?
>>
>>>> what happend to the Mauser that was first found in the book
>>>> depository?
>>>> also a marksman in the marine corp is the lowest rating for a shooter,
>>>> it goes Marksman, sharpshooter, expert.
>>>> at that time qualification for any of the medals were 190 out of 250
>>>> just for marksmen.. this actually means that oswald could not have hit
>>>> his target with that type of precision...
>>>> impossible.
>>>> did you know one of the bums was Frank Sturgis... CIA, mercendary and
>>>> more. including Watergate
>>>> just curious about this..
>>> It got hidden with the other two guns they discovered (four were found
>>> in all) so they could emphatically say they had the murder weapon with
>>> the Carcano. The cop that found the gun and proclaimed it to be a
>> That's silly. False reports do not equal evidence or a fact.
>
> What are you talking about? RDC
>
The cop made a false report. Wake up!
>>> Mauser had years of experience in weaponry and would know the
>>> difference. Besides, a Mauser makes more sense for a hit as it was
>> No, he did not. and he admitted his mistake.
>
> Yeah, after coercive treatment he did. What is hard about looking a
> gun stamped "Mauser" and one stamped "Made in Italy"? RDC
>
First, the fact that you are totally unfamiliar with the evidence. It
was not stamped MAUSER. It was not stamped "Made in Italy." Second, the
cop never got close enough to see the markings. Day had to use a loupe
to see some of them.
>>> One of the bums has been claimed to be Frank Sturgis. One of them has
>> No, that is false. None of the tramps claimed to be any CIA officer or
>> agent.
>
> Do you have any proof? You OTBers always demand proof from us guys.
> Or are we supposed to take your word for it? RDC
>
YOU made a claim. YOU prove it.
I have never seen any of the bums claim to be Frank Sturgis. Some sloppy
researchers have made that claim and it is false.
>
>> Most likely Lorenz was making it up to sell a story.
>>
>
> I don't think so since this was under oath and she wouldn't be allowed
> to name names without the blessing of the CIA - which she obviously
> had. RDC
>
Yes, under oath. It's called perjury.
She did not have the blessing of the CIA.
> All three tramps (who certainly didn't look like tramps) were
> released with no records of their arrest.
>
>> The records were "misplaced" but did exist.
>
> Sure, and a bullet can cause seven wounds in two men and be pristine
> too. Wink, wink. RDC
>
Stop trying to ignore facts.
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