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Ralph Cinque
May 8, 2013, 9:34:29 PM5/8/13
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Dear Dr. Cinque,
I am a former CIA agent now living in Brazil. My only connection with the
US nowadays is through the Internet. I had never heard of you before about
a week ago when I ran across your postings on an Amazon discussion board
concerning the JFK assassination.
I was looking up information on an old associate of mine, one SV Andersen,
and discovered that you have been sparring with him rather actively on
various discussion boards, but mainly on Amazon.
Andersen and I have been employed in various capacities by the CIA for
nearly 35 years. I was unaware that he was up to his old tricks but this
time on the Internet. Both he and I were part of the government's
"Information Control Corps" (ICC).
While I am not at liberty to reveal everything we were engaged in, I can
assure you we were involved in spreading misinformation to the media about
a host of topics- from Grenada, to Vince Foster, to Iran-Contra. If you
have followed these stories in the media, you have read some of the
material produced by Agent Andersen and myself.
I was shocked to read about your worok on the James Altgens photograph and
I admire the breakthroughs you have made. Without tipping my hand, let me
assure you that you are on the right track. This photograph was retouched
and many of the points you make on your "Oswald Innocence Campaign"
website are spot-on.
I am fast getting old, and I may never return to the US, and I don't fear
reprisals.
The last time I spoke with Andersen he was teaching at a university near
Houston. He was hired as part of a herd of CIA agents who received degrees
in teaching. His was from the University of Michigan. (confirmed by
others, RC) This all started in the late 50s after the Reds launched
Sputnik, but Andersen and I didn't come along until the Ford years, both
joining the Agency within a year of each other (actually, he joined after
Carter was inaugurated in January 1977). We have been employed under
various guises ranging from high school teacher (Andersen) to computer
consultant (me).
Why am I writing this? Andersen is a mis-information master and you need
to be aware that you are on the right track with your research. Keep up
the good work. I have had enough lying and deceiving of the American
people about JFK- they deserve to know what really happened on 11/22/63.
Incidentally, on your Facebook page there appears to be a drawing of
Dealey Plaza with various cryptic notations. I DREW THAT. And I passed it
along to Andersen when he was a high school teacher in Montana about 15
years ago. I about fell off my chair when I saw that you have a copy of
it. I don't know how in holy hell you got a copy of that paper, but those
are my drawings, and that lettering is my handwriting. The fact that YOU
have a copy of that piece of paper means that you must REALLY be doing
your homework because I cannot believe in a million years that Andersen
gave that to you, and he was the last person I know of who was in
possession of that scribbled document.
Stay true to the cause.
A supporter from Brazil,
His Initials
He did type his initials and provide an illegible signature. But, I am not
going to reveal his initials since it might- assuming they are legit-
easily lead to his identification.
But, I think it's interesting that he cited Montana as the state where
Andersen taught high school, when previously another source told me that
it was a "mountain state". And he got the spelling of the last name
correct, Andersen, even though he goes by "Anderson" on Amazon. That he is
presently a college professor in Houston was also confirmed by others- and
I mean multiple others.
Again I'll state that I can't authenticate the above letter. But, I do
have those notes that he referred to. That is, my lawyer has them in his
safe. And if anything happens, well, let's just say the other shoe will
drop.
I am a former CIA agent now living in Brazil. My only connection with the
US nowadays is through the Internet. I had never heard of you before about
a week ago when I ran across your postings on an Amazon discussion board
concerning the JFK assassination.
I was looking up information on an old associate of mine, one SV Andersen,
and discovered that you have been sparring with him rather actively on
various discussion boards, but mainly on Amazon.
Andersen and I have been employed in various capacities by the CIA for
nearly 35 years. I was unaware that he was up to his old tricks but this
time on the Internet. Both he and I were part of the government's
"Information Control Corps" (ICC).
While I am not at liberty to reveal everything we were engaged in, I can
assure you we were involved in spreading misinformation to the media about
a host of topics- from Grenada, to Vince Foster, to Iran-Contra. If you
have followed these stories in the media, you have read some of the
material produced by Agent Andersen and myself.
I was shocked to read about your worok on the James Altgens photograph and
I admire the breakthroughs you have made. Without tipping my hand, let me
assure you that you are on the right track. This photograph was retouched
and many of the points you make on your "Oswald Innocence Campaign"
website are spot-on.
I am fast getting old, and I may never return to the US, and I don't fear
reprisals.
The last time I spoke with Andersen he was teaching at a university near
Houston. He was hired as part of a herd of CIA agents who received degrees
in teaching. His was from the University of Michigan. (confirmed by
others, RC) This all started in the late 50s after the Reds launched
Sputnik, but Andersen and I didn't come along until the Ford years, both
joining the Agency within a year of each other (actually, he joined after
Carter was inaugurated in January 1977). We have been employed under
various guises ranging from high school teacher (Andersen) to computer
consultant (me).
Why am I writing this? Andersen is a mis-information master and you need
to be aware that you are on the right track with your research. Keep up
the good work. I have had enough lying and deceiving of the American
people about JFK- they deserve to know what really happened on 11/22/63.
Incidentally, on your Facebook page there appears to be a drawing of
Dealey Plaza with various cryptic notations. I DREW THAT. And I passed it
along to Andersen when he was a high school teacher in Montana about 15
years ago. I about fell off my chair when I saw that you have a copy of
it. I don't know how in holy hell you got a copy of that paper, but those
are my drawings, and that lettering is my handwriting. The fact that YOU
have a copy of that piece of paper means that you must REALLY be doing
your homework because I cannot believe in a million years that Andersen
gave that to you, and he was the last person I know of who was in
possession of that scribbled document.
Stay true to the cause.
A supporter from Brazil,
His Initials
He did type his initials and provide an illegible signature. But, I am not
going to reveal his initials since it might- assuming they are legit-
easily lead to his identification.
But, I think it's interesting that he cited Montana as the state where
Andersen taught high school, when previously another source told me that
it was a "mountain state". And he got the spelling of the last name
correct, Andersen, even though he goes by "Anderson" on Amazon. That he is
presently a college professor in Houston was also confirmed by others- and
I mean multiple others.
Again I'll state that I can't authenticate the above letter. But, I do
have those notes that he referred to. That is, my lawyer has them in his
safe. And if anything happens, well, let's just say the other shoe will
drop.
claviger
May 9, 2013, 12:18:40 AM5/9/13
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OK, game over Ralph. You have a fertile imagination and the pretend
letters you keep writing to yourself are very entertaining. It's been
fun but time to move on to your next photo analysis project. We can
hardly wait to see what it will be.
Mr. BALL - I have got a picture here, Commission Exhibit 369. Are you
on that picture?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Take a pen or pencil and mark an arrow where you are.
Mr. LOVELADY - Where I thought the shots are?
Mr. BALL - No; you in the picture.
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, here (indicating).
Mr. BALL - Draw an arrow down to that; do it in the dark. You got an
arrow in the dark and one in the white pointing toward you. Where were
you when the picture was taken?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right there at the entrance of the building standing on
the the step, would be here (indicating).
Mr. BALL - You were standing on which step?
Mr. LOVELADY - It would be your top level.
Mr. BALL - The top step you were standing there?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/lovelady.htm
[PDF] Warren Commission, Volume XVI: CE 369 ... - History Matters
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_369.pdf
- similar pagesPage 1. COMMISSION ExHIBI'T 36 9.
letters you keep writing to yourself are very entertaining. It's been
fun but time to move on to your next photo analysis project. We can
hardly wait to see what it will be.
Mr. BALL - I have got a picture here, Commission Exhibit 369. Are you
on that picture?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Take a pen or pencil and mark an arrow where you are.
Mr. LOVELADY - Where I thought the shots are?
Mr. BALL - No; you in the picture.
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, here (indicating).
Mr. BALL - Draw an arrow down to that; do it in the dark. You got an
arrow in the dark and one in the white pointing toward you. Where were
you when the picture was taken?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right there at the entrance of the building standing on
the the step, would be here (indicating).
Mr. BALL - You were standing on which step?
Mr. LOVELADY - It would be your top level.
Mr. BALL - The top step you were standing there?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/lovelady.htm
[PDF] Warren Commission, Volume XVI: CE 369 ... - History Matters
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_369.pdf
- similar pagesPage 1. COMMISSION ExHIBI'T 36 9.
Jason Burke
May 9, 2013, 12:21:22 AM5/9/13
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> Why am I writing this? Andersen is a mis-information master and you need
> to be aware that you are on the right track with your research. Keep up
> the good work. I have had enough lying and deceiving of the American
> people about JFK- they deserve to know what really happened on 11/22/63.
>
> Incidentally, on your Facebook page there appears to be a drawing of
> Dealey Plaza with various cryptic notations. I DREW THAT. And I passed it
> along to Andersen when he was a high school teacher in Montana about 15
> years ago. I about fell off my chair when I saw that you have a copy of
> it. I don't know how in holy hell you got a copy of that paper, but those
> are my drawings, and that lettering is my handwriting. The fact that YOU
> have a copy of that piece of paper means that you must REALLY be doing
> your homework because I cannot believe in a million years that Andersen
> gave that to you, and he was the last person I know of who was in
> possession of that scribbled document.
>
> Stay true to the cause.
>
> A supporter from Brazil,
>
> His Initials
>
> He did type his initials and provide an illegible signature. But, I am not
> going to reveal his initials since it might- assuming they are legit-
> easily lead to his identification.
>
But above he said he has no fear of reprisals. Why the change?
> But, I think it's interesting that he cited Montana as the state where
> Andersen taught high school, when previously another source told me that
> it was a "mountain state". And he got the spelling of the last name
> correct, Andersen, even though he goes by "Anderson" on Amazon. That he is
> presently a college professor in Houston was also confirmed by others- and
> I mean multiple others.
>
> Again I'll state that I can't authenticate the above letter.
confuse you. (Not that that's hard or anything.)
> But, I do
> have those notes that he referred to. That is, my lawyer has them in his
> safe. And if anything happens, well, let's just say the other shoe will
> drop.
>
acronyms are too busy laughing their heads off to bother with you. But
look under your bed, just in case. Oh, is Linda there?
Speaking of which... Hey, Ralph, I can't seem to find that Buda police
report. Can you provide a URL?
Ralph,
You *do* realize that you've done more to advance the SBT / WR in the
past 18 months than any lone nutter, don't you?
Anthony Marsh
May 9, 2013, 12:21:32 AM5/9/13
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David Von Pein
May 9, 2013, 12:24:10 AM5/9/13
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More proof that Cinque will fall for anything. Somebody pulls Ralph's
leg--and Ralph races to the computer to paste the phony message into
an aaj post. Typical. The "CIA" guy couldn't even spell S.V.
Anderson's name correctly. (But maybe Ralph will give him a pass on
that minor error.)
Similarly, below we have another example of a CTer (Holmes) falling
for sarcasm meant for another CTer (Healy). Just look at all this
wasted Amazon bandwidth:
http://www.amazon.com/Kennedy-erratic-drifter-Harvey-Oswald-/forum/Fx1PW7HP0SZ0SAA/Tx3BQKN094W8XC2/44/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&asin=0805096663&cdMsgID=Mx2KCBIS6850VWR&cdMsgNo=1076&cdSort=oldest#Mx2KCBIS6850VWR
http://www.amazon.com/Kennedy-erratic-drifter-Harvey-Oswald-/forum/Fx1PW7HP0SZ0SAA/Tx3BQKN094W8XC2/44/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&asin=0805096663&cdMsgID=Mx6EENC8OOC72A&cdMsgNo=1078&cdSort=oldest#Mx6EENC8OOC72A
Jason Burke
May 9, 2013, 12:31:57 AM5/9/13
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mainframetech
May 9, 2013, 3:42:41 PM5/9/13
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down the writer if he were real and shut him up. And while I'm a believer
in some government agencies providing false intelligence, it would not be
by a guy telling everyone he did it while in the 'ICC'. 'Intelligence
Control Corps' is right out of WW2 OSS terminology.
Chris
Bud
May 9, 2013, 5:29:42 PM5/9/13
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On May 8, 9:34 pm, Ralph Cinque <budab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But, I think it's interesting that he cited Montana as the state where
> Andersen taught high school, when previously another source told me that
> it was a "mountain state". And he got the spelling of the last name
> correct, Andersen, even though he goes by "Anderson" on Amazon. That he is
> presently a college professor in Houston was also confirmed by others- and
> I mean multiple others.
> Again I'll state that I can't authenticate the above letter. But, I do
> have those notes that he referred to. That is, my lawyer has them in his
> safe. And if anything happens, well, let's just say the other shoe will
> drop.
get inside a locked safe.
Ralph Cinque
May 9, 2013, 5:31:54 PM5/9/13
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You don't understand, Von Pein. I was already informed by multiple others that SV Anderson's real name is SV Andersen. With an e. So, that CIA agent, if that's who he is, got it right. You've been spelling it wrong, not him.
Anthony Marsh
May 9, 2013, 5:33:18 PM5/9/13
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you would say it never existed. My father and his father were members.
One of their assignments was to survey Corps Area V to see if they were
ready for WWII. In the summer of 1938.
John Fiorentino
May 9, 2013, 8:58:10 PM5/9/13
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I heard from Santa Claus.
John F.
"Ralph Cinque" <buda...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a940464-e0ba-4129...@googlegroups.com...
John F.
"Ralph Cinque" <buda...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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David Von Pein
May 9, 2013, 9:24:29 PM5/9/13
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>>> "I was already informed by multiple others that SV Anderson's real
name is SV Andersen." <<<
surely fool everybody, won't it?
You're a stitch, Ralph.
Ace Kefford
May 10, 2013, 9:44:48 AM5/10/13
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Anthony Marsh
May 10, 2013, 8:47:07 PM5/10/13
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secrets from WWI. If they had secrets from the Peloponnesian War they
would keep it classified for another 2,000 years.
curtjester1
May 10, 2013, 8:58:21 PM5/10/13
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So everybody thinks that the CIA doesn't care about NG's?
http://thewebfairy.com/masonic/cia_document.htm
CJ
http://thewebfairy.com/masonic/cia_document.htm
CJ
John McAdams
May 10, 2013, 8:59:33 PM5/10/13
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On 10 May 2013 20:58:21 -0400, curtjester1 <curtj...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>So everybody thinks that the CIA doesn't care about NG's?
>
>http://thewebfairy.com/masonic/cia_document.htm
>
Where in the world do you get "newsgroups" out of that?
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
wrote:
>So everybody thinks that the CIA doesn't care about NG's?
>
>http://thewebfairy.com/masonic/cia_document.htm
>
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Jason Burke
May 10, 2013, 11:30:30 PM5/10/13
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You have made the mistake that CTs are using reason.
Anthony Marsh
May 10, 2013, 11:37:26 PM5/10/13
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On 5/10/2013 8:59 PM, John McAdams wrote:
> On 10 May 2013 20:58:21 -0400, curtjester1 <curtj...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So everybody thinks that the CIA doesn't care about NG's?
>>
>> http://thewebfairy.com/masonic/cia_document.htm
>>
>
> Where in the world do you get "newsgroups" out of that?
>
All discussions, including newsgroups.
> On 10 May 2013 20:58:21 -0400, curtjester1 <curtj...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So everybody thinks that the CIA doesn't care about NG's?
>>
>> http://thewebfairy.com/masonic/cia_document.htm
>>
>
> Where in the world do you get "newsgroups" out of that?
>
> .John
> --------------
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
curtjester1
May 10, 2013, 11:37:43 PM5/10/13
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On May 10, 8:59 pm, John McAdams <john.mcad...@marquette.edu> wrote:
> On 10 May 2013 20:58:21 -0400, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com>
outlet? Isn't the object to make it an edict, all-encompassing,
rather than to something select that would minimize success?
CJ
> On 10 May 2013 20:58:21 -0400, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >So everybody thinks that the CIA doesn't care about NG's?
>
> >http://thewebfairy.com/masonic/cia_document.htm
>
> Where in the world do you get "newsgroups" out of that?
>
> .John
> --------------http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Where better than to stifle criticism than through a NG or a media
>
> >So everybody thinks that the CIA doesn't care about NG's?
>
> >http://thewebfairy.com/masonic/cia_document.htm
>
> Where in the world do you get "newsgroups" out of that?
>
> .John
> --------------http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
outlet? Isn't the object to make it an edict, all-encompassing,
rather than to something select that would minimize success?
CJ
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