Kennedy Books, Videos, & DVDs
David Von Pein
THE TOPIC OF "JOHN F. KENNEDY" (BOTH HIS ALL-TOO-SHORT 1,037-DAY
PRESIDENCY AND HIS TRAGIC ASSASSINATION IN 1963) HAS BEEN RIPE OVER
THE YEARS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF A SEEMINGLY-ENDLESS STRING OF BOOKS,
VIDEOS, DVDs, CDs, AND CD-ROMs.
BELOW IS A LIST OF SUCH ITEMS PERTAINING TO THE LIFE AND DEATH OF THE
35TH U.S. PRESIDENT THAT I HAVE OBTAINED OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS.
FOR MANY OF THESE ITEMS, I HAVE ALSO INCLUDED AUDIO/VIDEO LINKS, AS
WELL AS SOME LINKS WHICH FEATURE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND MY
PERSONAL REVIEWS.
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BOOKS:
1.) Reclaiming History: The Assassination Of President John F.
Kennedy. ....
www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3200858-post.html
www.ReclaimingHistory.com
www.google.com/group/Reclaiming-History/topics
www.wwnorton.com/catalog/spring07/004525.htm
www.amazon.com/dp/0393045250
www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0393045250/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link
www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-History/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A/-/1/ref=cm_cd_seo_fp_redir/105-4913190-2911629?%5Fencoding=UTF8&asin=0393045250
www.imdb.com/title/tt1109300
www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=7f8im4pic0&v=1
2.) Four Days In November: The Assassination Of President John F.
Kennedy. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2T8FHHNXDZ590
3.) The Warren Commission Report. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R224E9J6MWGA8
www.amazon.com/review/R3LYCRVOE8ACSG
www.amazon.com/review/R1K933MV9OCIDX
4.) With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald And The Murder Of Officer J.D.
Tippit. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RX09PCPWL9RCH
www.jdtippit.com
5.) Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald And The Assassination Of JFK. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3HRQGJ9PFH6EZ
www.amazon.com/review/R6QFDI7SQZF88
6.) Oswald's Game. ....
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9c2238388f0a72c3
7.) The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation Of The Kennedy
Assassination. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R6EGCI0WHHGAD
8.) Pictures Of The Pain: Photography And The Assassination Of
President Kennedy. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2MA8BUSBASWFR
9.) That Day In Dallas: Three Photographers Capture On Film The Day
President Kennedy Died. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RHXGG6PQ5QKV5
10.) National Nightmare On Six Feet Of Film: Mr. Zapruder's Home Movie
And The Murder Of President Kennedy. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3DGQVHYL2HMQZ
11.) Kennedy And Lincoln: Medical And Ballistic Comparisons Of Their
Assassinations. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2Y8HMTWRF6L2Q
12.) November 22, 1963: You Are The Jury. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2C5UCFXVF7B4I
13.) Final Disclosure: The Full Truth About The Assassination Of
President Kennedy.
14.) Conspiracy Of One: The Definitive Book On The Kennedy
Assassination. ....
www.amazon.com/review/ROEPV7B8GNG96
15.) When The News Went Live: Dallas 1963. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RJTEB6UY458I8
16.) The Day Kennedy Was Shot: An Hour-By-Hour Account Of What Really
Happened On November 22, 1963. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RYD6JTWASP90K
17.) November 22: The Day Remembered.
18.) Who's Who In The JFK Assassination.
19.) No More Silence: An Oral History Of The Assassination Of
President Kennedy.
20.) A Simple Act Of Murder: November 22, 1963. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3BEKTGVKJGI72
www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1613929n
21.) President Kennedy Has Been Shot (Includes an Audio-CD).
22.) Silencing The Lone Assassin: The Murders Of JFK And Lee Harvey
Oswald.
23.) The Killing Of A President. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R39QVLDORM057K
24.) Four Days.
25.) The Death Of A President. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RGHDDNLTB60EQ
26.) One Brief Shining Moment: Remembering Kennedy.
27.) JFK: A Hidden Life.
28.) The Memories: JFK: 1961-1963.
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VIDEOS AND DVDs (Video format is VHS, unless otherwise noted):
1.) The Kennedy Assassination (2-Tape Set)(From "Video Yesteryear")
(Also available on DVD). Contains 4-plus hours of "As-It-Happened" NBC-
TV coverage from November 22, 1963. ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C6063006ECBAA337
www.amazon.com/review/RF4K9P8S526XJ
www.amazon.com/review/R8JJYYQ9SL8MZ
www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=7x7co2jkkg
2.) "As-It-Happened" JFK assassination coverage from CBS-TV. The
footage begins at the very beginning of the soap opera "As The World
Turns" at 1:30 PM (Eastern Time), 11/22/63. .... 3 Tapes. .... 16
total hours of November 1963 footage. ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FFD6CCCB72B1CB73
3.) "As-It-Happened" JFK assassination coverage from ABC-TV and WFAA-
TV in Dallas. .... 2 Tapes. .... 12 total hours of November 1963
footage. ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=62092360761BD096
4.) "As-It-Happened" JFK assassination coverage from WABC-TV in New
York City. Features a portion of an episode of "Father Knows Best",
mixed in with "breaking news" bulletins about the shooting in
Dallas. .... 2 total hours of 11/22/63 footage. ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8D6543DBB6E49189
5.) Four Days In November (1964)(Richard Basehart narrates)(MGM/UA
Home Video). .... Spectacular documentary film from famed producer
David L. Wolper, chronicling the events surrounding John F. Kennedy's
assassination. ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=33FE4B18F8CA43E5
www.amazon.com/review/R1ACSVLKDMJIL2
www.amazon.com/review/R31H8G9XY0TTFA
www.amazon.com/review/RW4LAECVAW7I9
6.) On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald (1986 Cable-TV Docu-Trial, featuring
Vincent Bugliosi as prosecuting attorney vs. Gerry Spence as Oswald's
lawyer)(MPI Home Video)(2-Disc DVD Set). .... Actual witnesses to
JFK's assassination give testimony during this 5.5-hour televised Docu-
Trial. .... Witnesses appearing include: Wesley Frazier, Charles
Brehm, Eugene Boone, Bill Newman, Harold Norman, Ruth Paine, Marrion
Baker, Lyndal Shaneyfelt, Paul O'Connor, Vincent Guinn, Ted Callaway,
Nelson Delgado, and Johnny Brewer. ....
Dr. Cyril Wecht, noted JFK conspiracy advocate, also appears as a
witness. Wecht's lively confrontation with prosecuting attorney
Bugliosi is truly classic stuff. Mr. Bugliosi is on top of his game
when questioning Dr. Wecht regarding the whereabouts of the bullet
that Wecht claims went through JFK but did not hit Governor Connally,
who was seated in front of President Kennedy---
"It's coming on a downward path, Cyril! It's coming on a downward path
into the Presidential limousine, goes through the President's body,
misses Governor Connally, and MAGICALLY also misses the driver and
doesn't do ANY damage to the Presidential limousine?!?! ... What
happened to that PRISTINE bullet when it came through President
Kennedy's body?!" ....
Some of the most intense (and very interesting) testimony during "On
Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald" comes from Ruth Paine, who, even 23 years
after the horrible Friday in 1963, still feels the pain of that day.
That fact comes through loud and clear via her emotion-filled comments
to both Mr. Bugliosi and Mr. Spence during her time on the witness
stand. This whole "trial" provides a fascinating and very unique look
at a sad chapter in American history. ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1993B641DFC1CB06
www.amazon.com/review/RJ14GN0CJY1OE
www.google.com/group/Reclaiming-History/browse_thread/thread/2d1eebb7e8de66a0
7.) Peter Jennings Reporting -- The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond
Conspiracy (2003 ABC-TV Documentary)(DVD-R). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RRZZFH5PKSW23
8.) JFK: The Story Behind The Story: Dallas, November 22, 1963 (2-Disc
DVD/CD-ROM Set). .... Features WFAA-TV and WFAA-Radio excerpts from
November 1963. .... Exclusive "40th Anniversary" product released in
2003 by Belo Interactive, Inc., in association with The Dallas Morning
News. ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=62092360761BD096
www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/2003/jfk/112203jfk.html
9.) John F. Kennedy: Years Of Lightning, Day Of Drums (1964)(Gregory
Peck narrates). .... This is one of the very finest JFK documentaries
ever made. A first-class production all the way, including Mr. Peck's
stellar narration and the impeccable music score that was composed by
Bruce Herschensohn (who also wrote and directed the film). .... This
film was made in 1964, but it didn't premiere in movie theaters until
April of 1966. ....
Memorable quote from "Years Of Lightning, Day Of Drums":
"And it was true the President was killed. But it was also true that
the assassin missed his target, for he wanted John Kennedy to die; and
that he was unable to do. For no man can take away years of lightning
with a single day of drums." ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=874D96DDF44A5EAC
10.) JFK: Beyond The Magic Bullet (2004 "Unsolved History" program)
(The Discovery Channel)(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R1TJ126H60JHUI
11.) Primary (1960)(Robert Drew Collection)(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R35XR8CKD9ZT6E
12.) Crisis: Behind A Presidential Commitment (1963)(Robert Drew
Collection)(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RFW3PJGUZPJWY
13.) Being With John F. Kennedy (Robert Drew Archive).
14.) JFK: Breaking The News (PBS-TV)(DVD-R).
15.) President Kennedy Has Been Shot (CNN Documentary)(DVD-R).
16.) Image Of An Assassination: A New Look At The Zapruder Film (MPI
Home Video)(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2M0203DF4J5CW
17.) JFK (Oliver Stone's 1991 Theatrical Film)(Warner Home Video)
("Special Edition Director's Cut", released in 2001)(2-Disc DVD
Set). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R1ZW3QU49S1AM1
www.amazon.com/review/R1149ZO198XSBH
18.) Beyond JFK: The Question Of Conspiracy (Warner Home Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RZJX0UX72K2BU
19.) The Murder Of JFK: A Revisionist History (MPI Home Video)
(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RXA1CIHFYENNL
20.) Who Killed JFK?: Facts, Not Fiction (CBS-TV News Special)(CBS/FOX
Video).
21.) Who Killed JFK: The Final Chapter? (CBS-TV News Special).
22.) A CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report (1967)(4-Part CBS-TV News
Special Documentary). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=015D59B2C24BA191
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6b2a00b13bdc81ae
23.) Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? (1993)(3-Hour PBS-TV "Frontline"
Documentary). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1FD7884AAF9E6F33
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald
24.) Who Shot President Kennedy? (PBS-TV)(1988 "NOVA" Special; Walter
Cronkite narrates). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E9B048A60AFE038A
25.) JFK: The End Of Camelot (Discovery Channel Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R21F4PC8LBE9ZW
26.) 11-22-63: The Day The Nation Cried (View Video)(DVD)(Also known
as -- JFK: The Day The Nation Cried: November 22, 1963).
27.) Rush To Judgment (Also known as -- The Plot To Kill JFK: Rush To
Judgment)(Mark Lane's 1967 documentary film based on his book)(MPI
Home Video). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=593E2A403C433F0C
www.amazon.com/review/R2X352QQGK52CU
28.) JFK: The Case For Conspiracy (Robert Groden)(Delta Entertainment)
(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3SW32NKVKITTR
29.) JFK: The Case For Conspiracy: Assassination Files (Also known as
-- The Assassination Films)(Robert Groden)(Delta Entertainment)
(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R1FO0Z0L90V09Y
30.) Rivals: JFK vs. Khrushchev (Republic Pictures Video).
31.) Rivals: Oswald vs. Ruby.
32.) The Warren Commission (A&E/The History Channel). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=01D332867D70F191
33.) Assassination & Aftermath: The Death Of JFK And The Warren Report
(20th Century With Mike Wallace)(A&E Home Video/The History Channel).
34.) The JFK Assassination: The Jim Garrison Tapes (Vestron Video).
35.) Two Men In Dallas (Tapeworm Video).
36.) Conflict In Cuba: Bay Of Pigs & Cuban Missile Crisis (20th
Century With Mike Wallace)(A&E Home Video/The History Channel).
37.) NBC White Paper: The Age Of Kennedy (Also known as -- NBC White
Papers: The Kennedy Era)(2-Tape Set)(NBC News)(New Video Group). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0F1A19DB91C7CFA5
www.amazon.com/review/R1E7CZFP92PKM1
38.) John Fitzgerald Kennedy: A Celebration Of His Life And Times (3-
Tape Set)(Reader's Digest Video). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=81386BAF19F60489
39.) The Secret Service (4-Tape Set)(A&E Home Video).
40.) Inside The Secret Service (White Star Video).
41.) Stalking The President (White Star Video).
42.) The Kennedys (MPI Home Video)(Also known as -- Kennedys Don't
Cry).
43.) The Kennedys -- The Early Years: 1900-1961 (PBS-TV)(DVD).
44.) The Kennedys -- The Later Years: 1962-1980 (PBS-TV)(DVD).
45.) JFK: In His Own Words (Also known as -- LIFE In Camelot: The
Kennedy Years)(HBO Home Video). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F12F407AE06AE97A
46.) Thank You, Mr. President (45 minutes of clips from various JFK
Press Conferences; E.G. Marshall hosts)(Worldvision Home Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RPN38KXIDFFOW
www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3365419-post.html
www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Press+Conferences
www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/JFK+in+History/John+F.+Kennedy+and+the+Press.htm
47.) JFK: A Presidency Revealed (A&E Home Video/The History Channel)
(2-Disc DVD Set). .... Also includes two full-length A&E "Biography"
episodes: one on John F. Kennedy (double length; 90 minutes) and the
other on Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RJ0EQOIRSI4GW
48.) Biography: Lee Harvey Oswald (A&E Home Video). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EF6947D23FC4E675
www.amazon.com/review/RFL13UE1GN624
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0355FC8D66AE7FD8
49.) Biography: John F. Kennedy, Jr.: 1960-1999 (A&E Home Video).
50.) Biography: Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis (A&E Home Video). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4F22F527C4A13CC7
51.) Biography: Jackie O.: In A Class Of Her Own (A&E Home Video).
52.) Jackie: Behind The Myth (PBS Home Video).
53.) The Life And Times Of John F. Kennedy (White Star Video).
54.) John F. Kennedy: The Commemorative Video Album (CBS/FOX Video).
55.) Jack: The Last Kennedy Film (CBS/FOX Video).
56.) ABC News Great T.V. News Stories -- The Great Debates: John F.
Kennedy vs. Richard M. Nixon (MPI Home Video). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BF5FC5C74209E569
57.) Kennedy And Nixon (A&E Home Video/The History Channel).
58.) The Men Who Killed Kennedy (A&E Home Video/The History Channel)
(2-Disc DVD Set). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R13YLHZQYXMVZY
www.amazon.com/review/R10A8UNAG60FJB
59.) Kennedy (1983 TV Mini-Series with Martin Sheen and Blair Brown)
(Lance Entertainment)(2-Disc DVD Set). .... Includes several bonus
programs on Disc 2, including "One Week In October" and the Tom Atkins
short (in-color) film "The Last Two Days". ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2ZL54PG4H2GIC
60.) One Week In October (IHF Video). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2EC08D74F73B164F
61.) The Missiles Of October (1974 TV-Movie starring William Devane
and Martin Sheen)(MPI Home Video)(DVD).
62.) Thirteen Days (2000 Theatrical Film starring Kevin Costner)(New
Line Home Video)(DVD).
63.) The Trial Of Lee Harvey Oswald (1977 TV-Movie)(GoodTimes Home
Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3458DEJF9TFO4
64.) Ruby (1992 Theatrical Film)(Columbia/Sony Pictures)(DVD).
65.) JFK (1983 ABC-TV News Special; Peter Jennings narrates). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=71F73791A24FACBC
66.) 1963: A Television Album (CBS-TV Special).
67.) John F. Kennedy Remembered (NBC-TV Special).
68.) Kennedy vs. Wallace: A Crisis Up Close (PBS-TV Documentary).
69.) The Kennedy Mystique: Creating Camelot (Wellspring Media)(DVD).
70.) Complete CBS-TV and NBC-TV interviews with President John F.
Kennedy (from September 1963). ....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrq74F6Uotw&feature=PlayList&p=302AF54066C6F0DE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uvs17zFAxA&feature=PlayList&p=302AF54066C6F0DE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LnKlSbYhwM&feature=PlayList&p=302AF54066C6F0DE
71.) Complete NBC-TV coverage of the JFK Inauguration (January 20,
1961). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BB5D221C935ADCD1
72.) Complete NBC-TV coverage of JFK's Funeral (November 24-25, 1963).
73.) JFK: The Dallas Tapes (Produced by The Sixth Floor Museum At
Dealey Plaza).
74.) Films From The Sixth Floor Museum: John F. Kennedy And The Memory
Of A Nation. ....
www.jfk.org
www.amazon.com/review/R1E3GJA5W02RL9
75.) Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis Remembered (CBS/FOX Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2OMMUDJXAE2ZC
76.) A Tour Of The White House With Mrs. John F. Kennedy (Hollywood's
Attic Video). ....
NOTE: The Jackie-hosted "White House Tour", which originally aired on
network TV on February 14, 1962, can also be found on home video via
the CBS-produced videotape listed right above this one ("Jacqueline
Kennedy Onassis Remembered").
However, that CBS-TV program (which was made just after Jackie
Kennedy's death in 1994) has an edited, truncated version of the White
House Tour, despite the packaging expressly saying otherwise. The
entire early portion of the program, which has Jackie providing a
history of the White House, has been cut out of the CBS Video
version. ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8114D262395D6BBB
77.) The Making Of The President 1960. ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DB5B40F58E17C673
78.) The Speeches Collection: John F. Kennedy (MPI Home Video). ....
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3a8c0d4e7c3c5e2e
79.) The LBJ Tapes (4-Tape Set)(White Star Video). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1C6D599D86FEC6B8
www.amazon.com/review/R1WUOAVZP8ZSXY
80.) JFK In Ireland (White Star Video).
81.) American Presidents: Kennedy/Nixon/Reagan (3-Tape Set)(Madacy
Video).
82.) Presidents (MPI Home Video).
83.) American Presidents (BFS Video).
84.) Air Force One (National Geographic Video).
85.) Air Force One: A History (A&E Home Video/The History Channel).
86.) Air Force One -- Flight II: The Planes And The Presidents (MPI
Home Video)(Charlton Heston hosts).
87.) "As-It-Is-Happening" news coverage from July 17, 1999 (A.M. hours
into afternoon; CNN footage) -- John F. Kennedy Junior's plane is
missing.
88.) Election Night 1960 (NBC-TV). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BE031EBB2BFC1057
89.) Executive Action (1973 Theatrical Film)(Warner Home Video)
(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RZDLCO3JOOSUV
90.) Oswald's Ghost (PBS Home Video)(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R1S95P93PLA7OF
91.) 1963 Secret Service Assassination Reconstruction Film (Released
by the National Archives and Records Administration [NARA], in
conjunction with Amazon.com's custom DVD-On-Demand service)
(DVD-R). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=90A24C2BCA9645A0
www.amazon.com/review/R2MY5BP9W41FRW
92.) CBS News Extra: November 22nd And The Warren Report (Also known
as -- The Warren Report)(1964 CBS-TV Documentary)(First telecast by
CBS on 9/27/64)(National Archives)(DVD-R). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DA5BDD76F64D68EE
93.) Biography: Jack Ruby (A&E Home Video)(DVD).
94.) Ruby And Oswald (1978 TV-Movie)(Fremantle Media)(DVD).
95.) The Trial Of Lee Harvey Oswald (1964 Theatrical Film directed by
Larry Buchanan)(Image Entertainment)(DVD).
96.) JFK (Oliver Stone's 1991 Theatrical Film)(Warner Home Video)
("Ultimate Collector's Edition", released in 2008)(3-Disc DVD Set).
97.) A Thousand Days: A Tribute To John Fitzgerald Kennedy (1964 TV-
Movie produced by David L. Wolper and narrated by Richard Basehart)
(National Archives)(DVD-R). ....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5YV-TSvfMY&feature=PlayList&p=302AF54066C6F0DE
98.) Kennedy After Two Years (National Archives)(DVD-R). ....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCnCgyvaptc&feature=PlayList&p=302AF54066C6F0DE
99.) President Kennedy's 10th Press Conference (April 21, 1961)
(National Archives)(DVD-R). ....
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EF34043CD3C1AE60
100.) Firing Line With William F. Buckley Jr. (Episode title -- The
Warren Report: Fact Or Fiction?)(Mark Lane is interviewed by Buckley
on December 1, 1966)(DVD-R). ....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmNAwI5DVdQ&feature=PlayList&p=302AF54066C6F0DE
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OTHER ITEMS (ON AUDIO CD AND CD-ROM):
1.) The Assassination Of John F. Kennedy: Four Days That Shocked The
World: November 22-25, 1963 (Audio CD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2VT60WYYA53CW
2.) JFK Assassination (MP3 CD)(8+ Hours of audio coverage). ....
www.otrcat.com/jfk.htm
3.) The JFK Assassination (MP3 CD)(7+ Hours of audio coverage)(146
individual MP3 files). ....
www.earthstation1.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=E&Product_Code=JAMAC
4.) John F. Kennedy: 35th President Of The U.S.A. (Narrative and
Speech Highlights)(Audio CD).
5.) JFK Assassination: A Visual Investigation (CD-ROM)(Produced in
1993 by Medio Multimedia, Inc.).
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DVP's DVDs:
www.intervocative.com/DVDCollection.aspx/David%20VP
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RELATED LINKS:
www.JFK-Audio-Video-Page.blogspot.com
www.youtube.com/profile?user=DavidVonPein&view=playlists
www.amazon.com/MY-JFK-BOOKSHELF/lm/28ASYKLX6VLXX
www.amazon.com/JFK-DVDs-&-VIDEOS/lm/1O3UUOWUPUED3
www.amazon.com/JFK-35TH-PRESIDENT/lm/23ISVQ4JAFW0G
www.amazon.com/NOVEMBER-22-1963/lm/KQOLQ16IYM9H
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David Von Pein
Revised and updated (again):
www.google.com/group/Reclaiming-History/browse_thread/thread/7dd3a77fd24d55b0
WhiskyJoe
David
Superb collection of video's:
I was most curious about:
> 6.) On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald
> (1986 Cable-TV Docu-Trial, featuring
> Vincent Bugliosi as prosecuting attorney
> vs. Gerry Spence as Oswald's
> lawyer)(MPI Home Video)(2-Disc DVD Set)
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1993B641DFC1CB06
Very interesting.
I did not look at the whole think, just
the part with Dr. Wecht, Part 21-23 of 30.
In Part 21, at around 5:50 (and other times)
we get a good look at Dr. Wecht's Anti SBT
diagram.
I am disappointed that Bugliosi did not
point out that the Anti SBT diagram that
Dr. Wecht was using was totally off.
The horizontal angle is off by at least
a factor of 3.
If we define:
* a bullet coming in from straight
behind as coming in at 0 degrees.
* a bullet coming in from straight
from the right as coming in at
90 degrees.
Dr. Wecht's diagram shows the bullet coming
in at an angle of 30-35 degrees (I would
estimate). The true angle is 5-10 degrees.
He seemed to accept the Wecht geometry.
Granted, he did successfully point out,
that even with this geometry, the bullet
should hit the driver or at least some
part of the limousine. But no such bullet
was found. Indeed, even if the bullet
comes in at 90 degrees, strikes JFK in
the neck, it can't clear the left side
of the limousine.
Dr. Wecht pointed out that bullet
fragments were found in the front
of the limousine. Bugliosi pointed
out that the bullet should not be
fragmented, but pristine from only
passing through the soft tissue
of JFK's neck.
Technically, Bugliosi was wrong about
that bullet. It would definitely still
be pristine after passing through
the neck. But it would definitely be
fragmented upon striking metal. Still,
no hit on the driver, no damage to the
left of the driver to the side of the
limousine. The fragments found only
added up to 40% of a bullet and are
best associated with the head shot,
as is the damage to the windshield
and windshield frame. None of the
damage was near the far left side
of the limousine.
But the big point is, no challenge to
the accuracy of Dr. Wecht's diagram.
I wonder why there was no challenge?
Looking at maps, photographs, etc.,
it's obvious the bullet would come
in at a much shallower angle,
of 5 to 10 degrees, not 30+ as Wecht's
diagram shows.
Dr. Wecht's diagram is even more
inaccurate than the Costner diagram
in the movie JFK.
I think it is potentially disastrous for
Dr. Wecht to show a diagram that shows
a bullet through JFK's neck will not only
miss Connally's wound location, but will
even miss Connally altogether.
This has to be challenged. It makes
the Warren Commission appear to push
a theory that can't be right, if this
diagram is accepted as true. And the
diagram is easily proven false.
*****************************************
Questions for David:
Have you ever discussed this issue with
Bugliosi?
Do you know why Bugliosi did not challenge
the accuracy of that diagram?
*****************************************
Clay Shaw Diagram Questions:
I also want to know about the Clay Shaw
trial. In the real trial of Clay Shaw,
did Garrison's team try to pull a fast
one with a diagram like that?
Do we have a picture of such a diagram
that would have been used in that trial.
Do we know what challenge was made to
such a diagram, if such a diagram was used?
*****************************************
Thanks David
yeuhd
> Clay Shaw Diagram Questions:
>
> I also want to know about the Clay Shaw
> trial. In the real trial of Clay Shaw,
> did Garrison's team try to pull a fast
> one with a diagram like that?
>
> Do we have a picture of such a diagram
> that would have been used in that trial.
>
> Do we know what challenge was made to
> such a diagram, if such a diagram was used?
I haven't found the real-life equivalent of the scene in Oliver
Stone's "JFK" where Garrison demonstrates CE399's "impossible"
trajectory using two stand-ins in court, and a diagram. In the
published film script, Stone's footnotes for that scene refer to
Josiah Thompson's book "Six Seconds in Dallas", not to the trial
transcript.
Garrison's jury summary in the actual trial did touch on the subject
of the bullet trajectory, but did not use stand-ins, and does not have
the dialogue attributed to Garrison in "JFK":
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/garr/trial/Feb_28b/html/Feb_28b_0016a.htm
I could be wrong, and there may have been such a demonstration earlier
in the trial. But I haven't found it in the trial transcript.
Gary Combs
Yeuhd wrote,
"Garrison's jury summary in the actual trial did touch on the subject
of the bullet trajectory, but did not use stand-ins, and does not have
the dialogue attributed to Garrison in "JFK":"
For good reason, Garrison never gave a closing argument in the real trial.
That part of JFK movie was pure fiction.
gc
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David Von Pein
JOE ELLIOTT ("WhiskyJoe") SAID:
>>> "David -- Superb collection of videos. I was most curious about: "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald". Very interesting. .... I am disappointed that [Vincent] Bugliosi did not point out that the Anti SBT diagram that Dr. [Cyril] Wecht was using was totally off. .... Wecht's diagram is even more inaccurate than the Costner diagram in the movie JFK. .... I wonder why there was no challenge? .... Questions for David: Have you ever discussed this issue with Bugliosi? Do you know why Bugliosi did not challenge the accuracy of that diagram?" <<<
DVP SAYS:
I've wondered that same thing myself, Joe.
No, I've never discussed that particular issue with Vince Bugliosi (or
through his secretary, Rosemary Newton, which is the only way I've ever
"contacted" Vince).
But a possible (partial) reason for why Vince didn't challenge Wecht's
skewed diagram is because Wecht told the jury at the 1986 TV docu- trial
that he was of the opinion (via his own personal "analysis") that at least
one of the bullets that struck JFK from behind had originated from the
WEST end of the Texas School Book Depository and from the second floor,
instead of from Oswald's sixth-floor window on the east end of the TSBD
building.
Dr. Wecht's make-believe west-end gunman is the thing that enables Wecht
to pretend that the bullet that went through President Kennedy was able to
miss Governor Connally completely.
And Cyril's "second floor" theory also enables the good doctor to pretend
that the bullet was able to somehow miss the entire limousine after
exiting JFK's throat as well (via the not-as-steep angle for the bullet
that is provided by Wecht's make-believe "second floor" TSBD assassin).
But there's one part of Wecht's diagram that Bugliosi should have strongly
objected to and should have verbally ripped to shreds....and that's the
positioning of John Connally within that diagram.
Wecht does have Connally correctly sitting inboard of President Kennedy
(which is unusual for a diagram/chart/sketch that's being propped up by a
conspiracist), but that diagram doesn't show Governor Connally turned in
his jump seat at all, which is definitely inaccurate and misleading, and
is something that Bugliosi should have mentioned at the top of his lungs
at the '86 TV trial. But he didn't (AFAIK).
Prosecutor Bugliosi should have probably produced a sketch of his own when
cross-examining Dr. Wecht -- such as an accurate sketch like this one here
(which appears in the photo section of Bugliosi's 2007 JFK book):
Another thing that Bugliosi should have nailed Wecht for at the '86 trial
is when Wecht said that JFK's head was "driven backward and to the left
with substantial force at the moment of impact with the head wound", which
is a statement that everyone knows is 100% false. Kennedy's head isn't
"driven backward and to the left" at the precise "moment of impact" at
Z313 -- JFK's head, instead, moves FORWARD at the precise "moment of
impact" (between Zapruder Film frames 312 and 313).
That very important point regarding JFK's initial forward head movement
was established by Mr. Bugliosi earlier in the trial (during the testimony
of Cecil Kirk), but when Dr. Wecht wanted to leave the incorrect
impression in the minds of the jurors that Kennedy's head moved to the
rear at the critical "moment of impact", Vince should have thrown the
truth of the matter back into Cyril's face during VB's cross-examination
of Wecht.
Related stuff:
Vincent Bugliosi debated Dr. Cyril Wecht on Pittsburgh radio station WPTT
in June 2007, with the Single-Bullet Theory being the prime focus of that
radio debate. And after I first listened to it, I was scratching my head
and asking myself why in the world Bugliosi didn't bring up a couple of
key points that would totally embarrass Dr. Wecht. These points:
1.) Why didn't Bugliosi bring up the fact that the bullets that were fired
for the Warren Commission's tests at Edgewood Arsenal were NOT fired
through TWO BODIES OR ANIMALS (to properly simulate the flight path of the
SBT and the damage to Bullet CE399)? This was a rather large oversight on
Bugliosi's part during the 2007 radio debate; and it was also a large
oversight on Vincent's part during the 1986 mock trial as well.
It's possible, I suppose, that Vince did bring up this very important
point when he cross-examined Dr. Wecht at the '86 trial in London and
perhaps the editors of the TV trial snipped out that portion of Wecht's
testimony due to time restrictions.
But in the 5-hour version of the docu-trial that aired in 1986, Bugliosi
never once mentions the fact that the WC/Edgewood test bullets were fired
directly into rib and wrist bones, which are tests that don't come close
to replicating what CE399 is said to have done by the Warren Commission.
It should also be noted that the WC test bullet that was fired directly
into a wrist bone (which is bullet that Dr. Wecht loves to prop up so
much) not only didn't have the benefit of initially travelling through any
kind of a simulated "JFK neck", but that particular test bullet also
didn't travel through a simulated "Connally chest" before reaching its
"wrist" target.
So, in the final analysis, the Edgewood Arsenal bullet tests are pretty
much worthless for the anti-SBT purposes that Dr. Wecht loves to
continually utilize them for.
2.) When the topic of "Has The SBT Ever Been Duplicated?" came up during
the radio debate, Mr. Bugliosi should certainly have mentioned the
Discovery Channel program that was made in 2004, "Beyond The Magic
Bullet". And that's a program that had Vince HIMSELF making an appearance,
too!
"Beyond The Magic Bullet" did, indeed, properly simulate the SBT by firing
a Carcano bullet like Oswald's through TWO surrogate bodies, with the
results being very similar in character to the Single-Bullet Theory,
including the test bullet emerging in a totally-unfragmented condition.
Here's the Discovery Channel test bullet:
http://216.122.129.112/dc/user_files/6735.jpg
I don't know why Mr. Bugliosi didn't mention those two important issues
during the 2007 radio debate after Dr. Wecht started talking about how the
WC test bullets were "mushroomed" and more flattened, etc.
But, IMO, Vince should have talked about those things I mentioned, in
order to significantly deflate Wecht's anti-SBT arguments.
>>> "Clay Shaw Diagram Questions: I also want to know about the Clay Shaw trial. In the real trial of Clay Shaw, did Garrison's team try to pull a fast one with a diagram like that? Do we have a picture of such a diagram that would have been used in that trial. Do we know what challenge was made to such a diagram, if such a diagram was used? Thanks David." <<<
I'm not entirely sure, Joe. I'll defer those inquiries to resident
Garrison expert Dave Reitzes. I'll bet he knows. In fact, the answers are
probably located somewhere within Mr. Reitzes' excellent website, here:
http://jfk-online.com/garrison.html
SOME RELATED LINKS:
BUGLIOSI VS. WECHT RADIO DEBATE:
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=613792E04C4AAC1E
www.box.net/shared/l32qdwygw8
www.box.net/shared/k0rmz9qx8k
"ON TRIAL: LEE HARVEY OSWALD":
www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3455512-post.html
Anthony Marsh
>
> Yeuhd wrote,
>
> "Garrison's jury summary in the actual trial did touch on the subject
> of the bullet trajectory, but did not use stand-ins, and does not have
> the dialogue attributed to Garrison in "JFK":"
>
> For good reason, Garrison never gave a closing argument in the real
> trial. That part of JFK movie was pure fiction.
>
Jeez, try to pay attention. It was a Hollywood movie. That is called
character compression.
Anthony Marsh
>
>
>
> JOE ELLIOTT ("WhiskyJoe") SAID:
>
>
>>>> "David -- Superb collection of videos. I was most curious about: "On
Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald". Very interesting. .... I am disappointed that
[Vincent] Bugliosi did not point out that the Anti SBT diagram that Dr.
[Cyril] Wecht was using was totally off. .... Wecht's diagram is even more
inaccurate than the Costner diagram in the movie JFK. .... I wonder why
there was no challenge? .... Questions for David: Have you ever discussed
this issue with Bugliosi? Do you know why Bugliosi did not challenge the
accuracy of that diagram?"<<<
>
>
> DVP SAYS:
>
> I've wondered that same thing myself, Joe.
>
> No, I've never discussed that particular issue with Vince Bugliosi (or
> through his secretary, Rosemary Newton, which is the only way I've
> ever "contacted" Vince).
>
>
> But a possible (partial) reason for why Vince didn't challenge Wecht's
> skewed diagram is because Wecht told the jury at the 1986 TV docu-
> trial that he was of the opinion (via his own personal "analysis")
> that at least one of the bullets that struck JFK from behind had
> originated from the WEST end of the Texas School Book Depository and
> from the second floor, instead of from Oswald's sixth-floor window on
> the east end of the TSBD building.
>
> Dr. Wecht's make-believe west-end gunman is the thing that enables
> Wecht to pretend that the bullet that went through President Kennedy
> was able to miss Governor Connally completely.
>
I don't see such an angle as being the same as the angle in the diagram.
And I believe Wecht had nothing to do with drawing that original
diagram. It is not supposed to represent his particular theory.
> And Cyril's "second floor" theory also enables the good doctor to
> pretend that the bullet was able to somehow miss the entire limousine
> after exiting JFK's throat as well (via the not-as-steep angle for the
> bullet that is provided by Wecht's make-believe "second floor" TSBD
> assassin).
>
But by the time of the HSCA Wecht had agreed with the HSCA entry and
exit points, which produces a smaller angle than that diagram.
>
> But there's one part of Wecht's diagram that Bugliosi should have
> strongly objected to and should have verbally ripped to shreds....and
> that's the positioning of John Connally within that diagram.
>
> Wecht does have Connally correctly sitting inboard of President
> Kennedy (which is unusual for a diagram/chart/sketch that's being
> propped up by a conspiracist), but that diagram doesn't show Governor
> Connally turned in his jump seat at all, which is definitely
> inaccurate and misleading, and is something that Bugliosi should have
> mentioned at the top of his lungs at the '86 TV trial. But he didn't
> (AFAIK).
>
Maybe because Connally said he was facing forward when he was hit.
>
> Prosecutor Bugliosi should have probably produced a sketch of his own
> when cross-examining Dr. Wecht -- such as an accurate sketch like this
> one here (which appears in the photo section of Bugliosi's 2007 JFK
> book):
>
Oh please. Bugliosi was not that organized back then.
And he farmed out the task for his book which produced a bizarre diagram
which seems to disagree with all the other WC defender diagrams.
> http://reclaiming-history.googlegroups.com/web/006.+%22SINGLE-BULLET+THEORY%22+ARTIST+RENDERING+FROM+%22RECLAIMING+HISTORY%22?gda=gzk12oAAAADr6tC8UyTBgT86VBHer5Z9IYxm-lTD6fqL5i0NkbiGdk76MdYYVGWe4xCeudBp4D7PSWMDT0v92SDsA6sF9dz3qDp2A80yY1hoIfdPgxd3ghBMCWhozHDO5cP7ReQaMZ4l2zE31l1CfvB26vvyrXnPbcVT3VtYGKLco-_l-8AzjQ
>
>
>
>
> Another thing that Bugliosi should have nailed Wecht for at the '86
> trial is when Wecht said that JFK's head was "driven backward and to
> the left with substantial force at the moment of impact with the head
> wound", which is a statement that everyone knows is 100% false.
> Kennedy's head isn't "driven backward and to the left" at the precise
> "moment of impact" at Z313 -- JFK's head, instead, moves FORWARD at
> the precise "moment of impact" (between Zapruder Film frames 312 and
> 313).
>
I don't think Wecht said it happened at the precise moment of impact. I
think he said the force of the shot moved the head back.
Show me where Wecht said explicity between Zapruder frames 312 and 313.
I suspect you are making up crap again.
> And not only didn't the Edgewood test bullets (which are bullets that
> Dr. Wecht loves to prop up so much) have the benefit of initially
> travelling through any kind of a simulated "JFK neck", but those test
> bullets also didn't travel through a simulated "Connally chest" before
> reaching their "rib" and "wrist" targets either....which make the
> Edgewood bullet tests pretty much worthless for the anti-SBT purposes
> that Dr. Wecht loves to continually utilize them for.
>
>
> 2.) When the topic of "Has The SBT Ever Been Duplicated?" came up
> during the radio debate, Mr. Bugliosi should certainly have mentioned
> the Discovery Channel program that was made in 2004, "Beyond The Magic
> Bullet". And that's a program that had Vince HIMSELF making an
> appearance, too!
>
> "Beyond The Magic Bullet" did, indeed, properly simulate the SBT by
> firing a Carcano bullet like Oswald's through TWO surrogate bodies,
> with the results being very similar in character to the Single-Bullet
> Theory, including the test bullet emerging in a totally-unfragmented
> condition. Here's the Discovery Channel test bullet:
>
> http://216.122.129.112/dc/user_files/6735.jpg
>
> I don't know why Mr. Bugliosi didn't mention those two important
> issues during the 2007 radio debate after Dr. Wecht started talking
> about how the WC test bullets were "mushroomed" and more flattened,
> etc.
>
> But, IMO, Vince should have talked about those things I mentioned, in
> order to significantly deflate Wecht's anti-SBT arguments.
>
>
>
>
>>>> "Clay Shaw Diagram Questions: I also want to know about the Clay Shaw
trial. In the real trial of Clay Shaw, did Garrison's team try to pull a
fast one with a diagram like that? Do we have a picture of such a diagram
that would have been used in that trial. Do we know what challenge was
made to such a diagram, if such a diagram was used? Thanks David."<<<
>
>
>
> I'm not entirely sure, Joe. I'll defer those inquiries to resident
> Garrison expert Dave Reitzes. I'll bet he knows. In fact, the answers
> are probably located somewhere within Mr. Reitzes' excellent website,
> here:
>
>
> http://jfk-online.com/garrison.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ===================================
Anthony Marsh
>
>
>
> JOE ELLIOTT ("WhiskyJoe") SAID:
>
>
>>>> "David -- Superb collection of videos. I was most curious about: "On
Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald". Very interesting. .... I am disappointed that
[Vincent] Bugliosi did not point out that the Anti SBT diagram that Dr.
[Cyril] Wecht was using was totally off. .... Wecht's diagram is even more
inaccurate than the Costner diagram in the movie JFK. .... I wonder why
there was no challenge? .... Questions for David: Have you ever discussed
this issue with Bugliosi? Do you know why Bugliosi did not challenge the
accuracy of that diagram?"<<<
>
>
> DVP SAYS:
>
> I've wondered that same thing myself, Joe.
>
> No, I've never discussed that particular issue with Vince Bugliosi (or
> through his secretary, Rosemary Newton, which is the only way I've
> ever "contacted" Vince).
>
>
> But a possible (partial) reason for why Vince didn't challenge Wecht's
> skewed diagram is because Wecht told the jury at the 1986 TV docu-
> trial that he was of the opinion (via his own personal "analysis")
> that at least one of the bullets that struck JFK from behind had
> originated from the WEST end of the Texas School Book Depository and
> from the second floor, instead of from Oswald's sixth-floor window on
> the east end of the TSBD building.
>
> Dr. Wecht's make-believe west-end gunman is the thing that enables
> Wecht to pretend that the bullet that went through President Kennedy
> was able to miss Governor Connally completely.
>
> And Cyril's "second floor" theory also enables the good doctor to
> pretend that the bullet was able to somehow miss the entire limousine
> after exiting JFK's throat as well (via the not-as-steep angle for the
> bullet that is provided by Wecht's make-believe "second floor" TSBD
> assassin).
>
>
> But there's one part of Wecht's diagram that Bugliosi should have
> strongly objected to and should have verbally ripped to shreds....and
> that's the positioning of John Connally within that diagram.
>
> Wecht does have Connally correctly sitting inboard of President
> Kennedy (which is unusual for a diagram/chart/sketch that's being
> propped up by a conspiracist), but that diagram doesn't show Governor
> Connally turned in his jump seat at all, which is definitely
> inaccurate and misleading, and is something that Bugliosi should have
> mentioned at the top of his lungs at the '86 TV trial. But he didn't
> (AFAIK).
>
>
> Prosecutor Bugliosi should have probably produced a sketch of his own
> when cross-examining Dr. Wecht -- such as an accurate sketch like this
> one here (which appears in the photo section of Bugliosi's 2007 JFK
> book):
>
Bugliosi's diagram shows a SBT at frame 210 and it shows Connally facing
forward.
So, do you agree with Bugliosi that the SBT happened at frame 210? If not,
then why are you not attacking him the way you attack Wecht? I think the
answer is clear. You always argue with a double standard. If a conspiracy
believer does something you disagree with he is evil. But if a WC defender
does something you disagree with he is perfect. You castigate Wecht for
showing Connally facing forward and then you don't say anything about
Bugliosi doing exactly the same thing. And what about Bugliosi having the
bullet make a sharp turn to get from the wrist to the thigh? How can you
have a sharp turn like that if the bullet went THROUGH the wrist?
Questions you won't answer and can't answer because an honest answer will
show the bankruptcy of your position.
>
>
> Another thing that Bugliosi should have nailed Wecht for at the '86
> trial is when Wecht said that JFK's head was "driven backward and to
> the left with substantial force at the moment of impact with the head
> wound", which is a statement that everyone knows is 100% false.
> Kennedy's head isn't "driven backward and to the left" at the precise
> "moment of impact" at Z313 -- JFK's head, instead, moves FORWARD at
> the precise "moment of impact" (between Zapruder Film frames 312 and
> 313).
>
>>>> "Clay Shaw Diagram Questions: I also want to know about the Clay Shaw
trial. In the real trial of Clay Shaw, did Garrison's team try to pull a
fast one with a diagram like that? Do we have a picture of such a diagram
that would have been used in that trial. Do we know what challenge was
WhiskyJoe
>> I am disappointed that [Vincent]
>> the Anti SBT diagram that
>> totally off.
> I've wondered that same thing
> myself, Joe.
Vincent Bugliosi did all right. And,
after watching the complete videos
that you provided of the 1986 mock
trial, I now kind of think that
Oswald probably did it. Just kidding.
If I was serious, you might have to
consider not recommending that video.
No, Vincent Bugliosi did a very good job,
overall. But that diagram should be
questioned. If it is based on a West
corner sniper, it should be made very clear
to the sniper that the diagram is not
based on the Oswald sniper nest East window.
Of course one can disprove the SBT if it
is assumed that the shot that caused JFK's
neck wound was from a shot from the western
window. Heck, one can really disprove the
SBT if I assume that shot came from the
Grassy Knoll. Talk about a Magic Bullet.
I don't think they would have cut out
the part where Vincent Bugliosi shows
that the diagram does not match reality
because that would have been great drama.
Much of what Vincent Bugliosi did was very
good. Like the orderly, whose job was to
remove JFK's brain, but found that when it was
time for him to do his job, JFK had no brain.
But Bugliosi asked him, was it possible that
for JFK, the doctors decided to do that job
themselves? Could that be why JFK had no
brain? I would think that, yes, that may be
the explanation. And why the orderly didn't
bring this up with HSCA while being
questioned for hours. I wonder if JFK was
the only one without a brain.
The defense was good but questionable.
Like asking is a coincidence that Ruth
Paine could speak Russian, took in Marina,
got Oswald his job, had unknowingly stored
the rifle in her garage.
Naturally, Oswald and Marina would likely
make friends with someone who was interested
in better relations with Russia and who could
speak Russian. After that, the people who
would likely provide a room for Marina,
a place where some of Oswald's things could
be stored, who might help Oswald find a job,
would not be like picking names out of a
phone book at random, but could all be from
one person that Oswald knew, particularly
based on the few number of people that Oswald
knew.
As a defense attorney, I would not touch
the subject of how it was that Ruth Paine
helped Oswald get Oswald's job, from a tip
from a neighbor whose brother worked at the
TSBD, in October while the Secret Service
picked the route in November.
WhiskyJoe
Hello yeuhd
> I haven't found the real-life equivalent
> of the scene in Oliver Stone's "JFK"
> where Garrison demonstrates CE399's
> "impossible" trajectory using two
> stand-ins in court, and a diagram.
> In the published film script, Stone's
> footnotes for that scene refer to
> Josiah Thompson's book "Six Seconds
> in Dallas", not to the trial
> transcript.
Yes. Josiah Thompson's Anti SBT diagram
is not too exaggerated. Probably, at the
time of the trial, they had not yet
discovered how powerful a "Big Lie"
Anti SBT diagram could be. It may also be
that even if they thought about trying
this, the Shaw defense team would likely
shoot it down. It's best to use in books
and movies. Risky in a trial, when the
other side can rebut it.
The earliest "Big Lie" Anti SBT diagram
that I am aware of is Dr. Wecht's diagram
presented to the HSCA in 1978.
An Anti SBT diagram can be effective if one
changes the true horizontal angle from
5-10 degrees to 15 degrees, but it's more
effective is one goes with 25-30 degrees.
It can be effective if one changes Connally
from being 6 inches inboard of JFK to
4 inches, but even more effective if he
is 0 inches inboard. And not having
Connally turned to the right is useful as
well.
The key is don't have the SBT out of
alignment by 4 or 6 inches. It's best
to show it out of alignment by 18 or 24
inches. Subconsciously, a person can
tell that a "Big Lie" Anti SBT would
be easily seen as false if one checks
the photographs, therefore, it cannot
be false and there is no need to
double check it.
A "Big Lie" Anti SBT is inherently more
effective than a "Small Lie" version.
It's great weakest, that it is easily
proven false, is also it's great strength.
Also, a secondary advantage is it
avoids hitting Connally altogether.
By "Side Stepping" Connally, they side
step the question that if a "Small Lie"
Anti SBT diagram is accurate, a bullet
though JFK wounds would strike Connally
in the middle of his back, not in his
right armpit, so JFK and Connally had
to be hit by two separate bullets, then
why didn't Connally end up with two
wounds in his back? Why did he only
have one?
Anthony Marsh
>
>>> I am disappointed that [Vincent]
>>> Bugliosi did not point out that
>>> the Anti SBT diagram that
>>> Dr. [Cyril] Wecht was using was
>>> totally off.
>
>> I've wondered that same thing
>> myself, Joe.
>
> Vincent Bugliosi did all right. And,
> after watching the complete videos
> that you provided of the 1986 mock
> trial, I now kind of think that
> Oswald probably did it. Just kidding.
> If I was serious, you might have to
> consider not recommending that video.
>
> No, Vincent Bugliosi did a very good job,
> overall. But that diagram should be
> questioned. If it is based on a West
> corner sniper, it should be made very clear
> to the sniper that the diagram is not
> based on the Oswald sniper nest East window.
Which diagram? Place the diagram you have in mind onto a map of Dealey
Plaza and prove where the line intersects the TSBD.
David Von Pein
>>> I don't think Wecht said it ["back & to the left"] happened at the precise moment of impact." <<<
Yes, he did. At the '86 mock trial.
David Von Pein
>>> "Bugliosi's diagram shows a SBT at frame 210 and it shows Connally
facing forward." <<<
No, it doesn't. Bugliosi's diagram in his book shows Connally turned to
his right?
Why does Tony always want to distort stuff? Why?
Anthony Marsh
His captions says his SBT is at Z-210 and it shows Connally facing forward.
Anthony Marsh
>
>>>> I don't think Wecht said it ["back& to the left"] happened at the precise moment of impact."<<<
>
> Yes, he did. At the '86 mock trial.
>
Quote where he said it happened between frames Z-312 and Z-313.
David Von Pein
>>> "His [VB's] caption says his SBT is at Z-210 and it shows Connally facing forward." <<<
Incredibly, Anthony Marsh thinks Connally is "facing forward" in this
diagram/sketch:
David Von Pein
TONY MARSH SAID:
"I don't think Wecht said it ["back & to the left"] happened at the
precise moment of impact."
DVP THEN SAID:
"Yes, he did. At the '86 mock trial."
TONY MARSH THEN SAID:
"Quote where he [Dr. Wecht] said it happened between frames Z-312 and
Z-313."
DVP NOW SAYS:
Okay.....
"The film, at Zapruder 313, shows the President being driven
backward and to the left with substantial force at the moment of
impact with the head wound." -- Dr. Cyril H. Wecht; July 1986; "On
Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald"
Go to the 3:20 mark in this video below for the verification/proof:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO48U_cf0eI
www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1993B641DFC1CB06
Anthony Marsh
>
> TONY MARSH SAID:
>
> precise moment of impact."
>
>
> DVP THEN SAID:
>
> "Yes, he did. At the '86 mock trial."
>
>
> TONY MARSH THEN SAID:
>
> "Quote where he [Dr. Wecht] said it happened between frames Z-312 and
> Z-313."
>
>
> DVP NOW SAYS:
>
>
> Okay.....
>
>
> "The film, at Zapruder 313, shows the President being driven
> backward and to the left with substantial force at the moment of
> impact with the head wound." -- Dr. Cyril H. Wecht; July 1986; "On
> Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald"
>
>
No mention of frame Z-312. At Z-313 he starts to move backward and to
the left.
David Von Pein
>>> "At Z-313 he starts to move backward and to the left." <<<
Nope. The backward movement doesn't begin until Z314. All movement is
forward through frame 313:
Try again.
Questionin
Kennedy was shot from the sixth floor into the right shoulder. Right?And
at a downward angle. The bullet did not go straight through Kennedy's
neck, as so many "experts" say it did. There is no entry wound in the back
of Kennedy's neck. The entry wound from the rear is at least six inches
way from the neck wound in his shoulder.
The projection through the body shows Connally could not be hit by the
same bullet.
The wounds do not line up. The bullet entered and change directions inside
Kennedy's body, without hitting a bone or damaging the bullet. The angle
would have to change to the left 180 degrees and moved upward and out his
neck, traveling up and away from the motorcade and not straight through
into Connelly.
The bullet would then have to halved changed directions by another 180
degrees back downward in order to strike Connally in the back and break
his rib. Still not damage the bullet. Change directions again, break his
rib again, exit his body and boomerang off his right wrist. Change
directions again 180 degrees and enter Connally's thigh. And the bullet is
never shown signs of striking any bone any where. The pristine bullet is
not damaged, as though it was fired through water or some other liquid
substance. Hence it was called the "MAGIC" bullet theory.
David Von Pein
Everything uttered by "Questionin" above is total nonsense. And one
look at CE903 proves its pure nonsense:
Anthony Marsh
Thanks for posting that. It again proves that Specter's SBT is impossible.
BTW, who wrote the explanatory text under the WC exhibit?
The author should make clear those are only his fantasies and not part
of the official WC conclusions.
tomnln
HSCA Volume VII page 175.
"Questionin" <Ques...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:49fd...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
David Von Pein
>>> "Thanks for posting that [CE903]. It again proves that Specter's SBT
is impossible." <<<
CE903 proves no such thing. CE903, inmstead, pretty much demonstrates the
perfection of the Single-Bullet Theory....right down to Specter's rod
being placed nicely into the actual bullet hole in John Connally's jacket.
It's a shame that you can't see this fact, Tony.
But, as usual, all anti-SBT conspiracists (like Anthony Marsh, et al) feel
the need to abandon all notions of logic and common sense before they ever
step into the arena marked "JFK Research".
~shrug~
>>> "BTW, who wrote the explanatory text under the WC [CE903] exhibit?"
<<<
I did.
>>> "The author should make clear those are only his fantasies and not
part of the official WC conclusions." <<<
Pardon me if I refuse to revise my caption that I used for the CE903
photograph (below). I like it just fine the way it is.
===================
A SBT ADDENDUM BY JEAN DAVISON:
"[Conspiracy theorists] claim that the entry wound HAD to be raised
to the "back of the neck" in order to make the Warren Commission's single
bullet theory work. But the assertion isn't supported, it's simply a
claim. Furthermore, the claim is false, since there was no need to raise
the wound into the nape of the neck. Here's the official WC illustration
of the SBT, Commission Exhibit 903:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0055b.htm
"Whether one agrees with it or not, that IS the WC's trajectory for
the single bullet, and as you can see, it doesn't require an entry in "the
back of the neck". .... My question is still, what evidence is there that
Ford made his revision in order to support the SBT? ....
"To my knowledge, [nobody] has ever explained how moving the back
wound up to THE NECK supports the SBT. Nobody CAN support it, because
moving the entry to the neck would destroy the WC's SBT trajectory, not
strengthen it.
"Again I'll refer you to CE 903. Although Specter didn't drill a
hole in the stand-in's body and drive the rod through it, had he done so,
the entry would be in the upper back, not in the neck. There's a string on
the wall above his hand that shows an angle of about 18 degrees -- that's
the approximate angle measured by a surveyor during the re-enactment and
the one the WC used for its SBT. If the rod is moved up to the neck, the
bullet will exit well above the exit wound under JFK's Adam's apple.
"Or take a look at this photo of JFK:
http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/sbt/hsca.jpg
"Try drawing a line of c. 18 degrees backward from the knot in JFK's
tie. Where does it come out? Upper back, right? The claim that Ford's
change "strengthens" the WC's SBT is simply not true. If I haven't made my
point by now, I give up."
-- Jean Davison; December 31, 2006 and January 2, 2007
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bf3ae3c6c0993e13
pjspeare
do you think it's just a coincidence that no photo of the chalk mark
on the stand-in's back was placed into evidence?
Check this out:
http://www.patspeer.com/arlenspect.jpg/arlenspect-full;init:.jpg
On May 4, 6:09 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "Thanks for posting that [CE903]. It again proves that Specter's SBT
>
> is impossible." <<<
>
> CE903 proves no such thing. CE903, inmstead, pretty much demonstrates the
> perfection of the Single-Bullet Theory....right down to Specter's rod
> being placed nicely into the actual bullet hole in John Connally's jacket.
> It's a shame that you can't see this fact, Tony.
>
> But, as usual, all anti-SBT conspiracists (like Anthony Marsh, et al) feel
> the need to abandon all notions of logic and common sense before they ever
> step into the arena marked "JFK Research".
>
> ~shrug~
>
> >>> "BTW, who wrote the explanatory text under the WC [CE903] exhibit?"
>
> <<<
>
> I did.
>
> >>> "The author should make clear those are only his fantasies and not
>
> part of the official WC conclusions." <<<
>
> Pardon me if I refuse to revise my caption that I used for the CE903
> photograph (below). I like it just fine the way it is.
>
> http://reclaiming-history.googlegroups.com/web/119.+CE903?gda=ij0zrDw...
>
> ===================
>
> A SBT ADDENDUM BY JEAN DAVISON:
>
> "[Conspiracy theorists] claim that the entry wound HAD to be raised
> to the "back of the neck" in order to make the Warren Commission's single
> bullet theory work. But the assertion isn't supported, it's simply a
> claim. Furthermore, the claim is false, since there was no need to raise
> the wound into the nape of the neck. Here's the official WC illustration
> of the SBT, Commission Exhibit 903:
>
> http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol...