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seansmil...@gmail.com
Oct 6, 2012, 10:10:08 AM10/6/12
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Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
"rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
"rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
have been resting on the window sill".
Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been
used at all....
dcw
"rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
"rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
have been resting on the window sill".
Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been
used at all....
dcw
curtjester1
Oct 6, 2012, 6:41:29 PM10/6/12
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insignifcant things and gloss over problematic areas.
CJ
Anthony Marsh
Oct 6, 2012, 8:35:21 PM10/6/12
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the boxes should be stack. 4 different versions.
In one version it would be very difficult to use the top carton as a
rifle rest and still be able to aim with the scope.
Research
Oct 6, 2012, 8:37:57 PM10/6/12
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<seansmil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
"rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
"rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
have been resting on the window sill".
the boxes.
timstter
Oct 6, 2012, 9:04:30 PM10/6/12
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probably it was considered a minor point,so wasn't followed.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
*...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head or the
neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).
Mark Lane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII 261-262.
And yet here IS WC XVII 261-262, showing hits to the head...
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0144a.htm
X marks the spot where Mark Lane lied!
seansmil...@gmail.com
Oct 7, 2012, 11:10:57 AM10/7/12
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On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:04:31 PM UTC-7, timstter wrote:
> On Oct 7, 1:10 am, seansmileyran...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
>
> > "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
>
> > box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
>
> > only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
>
> > say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
>
> > In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
>
> > "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
>
> > have been resting on the window sill".
>
> >
>
> > Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
>
> > held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been
>
> > used at all....
>
> >
>
> > dcw
>
>
>
> Given all the OTHER evidence connecting Oswald with the shooting,
>
> probably it was considered a minor point,so wasn't followed.
Granted, but it would have fleshed things out a bit more....
> On Oct 7, 1:10 am, seansmileyran...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
>
> > "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
>
> > box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
>
> > only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
>
> > say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
>
> > In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
>
> > "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
>
> > have been resting on the window sill".
>
> >
>
> > Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
>
> > held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been
>
> > used at all....
>
> >
>
> > dcw
>
>
>
> Given all the OTHER evidence connecting Oswald with the shooting,
>
> probably it was considered a minor point,so wasn't followed.
dcw
seansmil...@gmail.com
Oct 7, 2012, 11:11:04 AM10/7/12
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On Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:37:57 PM UTC-7, Research wrote:
> <seansmil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1beeb6ac-f985-4bef...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
>
> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
>
> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
>
> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
>
> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
>
> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
>
> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
>
> have been resting on the window sill".
>
>
>
> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around
>
> the boxes.
>
I see in his testimony where he says he saw one of the man's hands on the barrel or stock & one on the trigger. And he seems to describe boxes in several windows. Nothing about a rifle rest or sill....
> <seansmil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1beeb6ac-f985-4bef...@googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
>
> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
>
> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
>
> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
>
> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
>
> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
>
> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
>
> have been resting on the window sill".
>
>
>
> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around
>
> the boxes.
>
dcw
Research
Oct 7, 2012, 11:16:00 AM10/7/12
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"Research" <quest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> <seansmil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1beeb6ac-f985-4bef...@googlegroups.com...
>
> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
> have been resting on the window sill".
>
> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around
> the boxes.
>
None of the eye witnesses who reported they saw the shooter stated that the
> <seansmil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1beeb6ac-f985-4bef...@googlegroups.com...
>
> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
> have been resting on the window sill".
>
> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around
> the boxes.
>
shooter rested the rifle on the boxes. But when the FBI re-enacted the 6th
floor event, did not have boxes as an obstacle. And when firing, the window
was completely opened, not just half open. But maybe the boxes where just a
barrier to hide behind. But the pictures by Tom Aylea showed the boxes in
the middle of the window. Which would complicate the aim even further. Eunis
and Brennan stated the rifle was sticking out the window. Eunis testified
the shooter held the rifle with both hands and the rifle was sticking out
the window about 3 feet. That would have been impossible considering Oswald
was right-handed and the boxes took up 2/3rds of the window space including
the opposite side and would have left no room for a shooter on either side.
The shooter would have had to shoot over the boxes. This would have been
impossible because the scope would have been blocked by the bottom of the
opened window. Neither Brennan or Eunis saw the box in the window.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 7, 2012, 6:09:01 PM10/7/12
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On 10/7/2012 11:16 AM, Research wrote:
> "Research" <quest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5070683c$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
>>
>> <seansmil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1beeb6ac-f985-4bef...@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
>> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
>> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
>> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
>> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
>> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
>> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
>> have been resting on the window sill".
>>
>> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around
>> the boxes.
>>
> None of the eye witnesses who reported they saw the shooter stated that the
> shooter rested the rifle on the boxes. But when the FBI re-enacted the 6th
> floor event, did not have boxes as an obstacle. And when firing, the window
> was completely opened, not just half open. But maybe the boxes where just a
> barrier to hide behind. But the pictures by Tom Aylea showed the boxes in
That's your clue right there. Frazier could not put boxes in front of the
> "Research" <quest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5070683c$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
>>
>> <seansmil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1beeb6ac-f985-4bef...@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
>> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
>> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
>> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
>> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
>> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
>> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
>> have been resting on the window sill".
>>
>> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around
>> the boxes.
>>
> None of the eye witnesses who reported they saw the shooter stated that the
> shooter rested the rifle on the boxes. But when the FBI re-enacted the 6th
> floor event, did not have boxes as an obstacle. And when firing, the window
> was completely opened, not just half open. But maybe the boxes where just a
> barrier to hide behind. But the pictures by Tom Aylea showed the boxes in
window because then he would not have been able to get a clear view of Elm
Street. The only ones to actually fire shots from the window were the HSCA
and they used a wooden box as a rifle rest.
If the window were open the same amount as during the assassination
because there would not be enough room to use the boxes as a rifle rest
and then be able to use the scope as the view would be blocked by the
bottom rail.
> the middle of the window. Which would complicate the aim even further. Eunis
> and Brennan stated the rifle was sticking out the window. Eunis testified
> the shooter held the rifle with both hands and the rifle was sticking out
> the window about 3 feet. That would have been impossible considering Oswald
> was right-handed and the boxes took up 2/3rds of the window space including
> the opposite side and would have left no room for a shooter on either side.
> The shooter would have had to shoot over the boxes. This would have been
> impossible because the scope would have been blocked by the bottom of the
> opened window. Neither Brennan or Eunis saw the box in the window.
>> Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
>> held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been
>> used at all....
>
>
or sat on the window sill. Both are impossible with the boxes in front
of the window and/or resting on the sill.
>
>
seansmil...@gmail.com
Oct 8, 2012, 5:23:43 PM10/8/12
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minute *before* the shooting. But, as I've been saying, the shooter could
not have done that, even beforehand, in a half-open window with a box on
the sill. Hence, my feeling that they were talking about *another* window.
...
dcw
Research
Oct 8, 2012, 7:54:06 PM10/8/12
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"Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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rifle or that the rifle was being fired? Out of the 3 hundred Dealey
spectators? As far as I know there was only 3 or maybe 4 out of 3 hundred?
Seems to me there should be 40 or 50 who were standing right there on the
corner. But there were only 2. The same two Amos and Andy. LOL;) I mean
Enius and Brennan. And when there is an event no matter how large or
small, there will always be some people who think they saw something they
didn't. Did they see the boxes? NO! Did they see the scope? NO! So how do
the WC defenders and the nutters place any value on what these to CRAZYs
have to say?
John Reagor King
Oct 8, 2012, 9:01:16 PM10/8/12
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In article <46c61228-f289-4f1b...@googlegroups.com>,
this window, and these boxes, from more than 50 feet below, correct?
Little wonder then that they were woefully inconsistent in their
descriptions.
seansmil...@gmail.com wrote:
> I see in his testimony where he says he saw one of the man's hands on the
> barrel or stock & one on the trigger. And he seems to describe boxes in
> several windows. Nothing about a rifle rest or sill....
And all, not almost all, but all of these witnesses saw this person, and
> I see in his testimony where he says he saw one of the man's hands on the
> barrel or stock & one on the trigger. And he seems to describe boxes in
> several windows. Nothing about a rifle rest or sill....
this window, and these boxes, from more than 50 feet below, correct?
Little wonder then that they were woefully inconsistent in their
descriptions.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 8, 2012, 9:07:14 PM10/8/12
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person can say 6 and another person can say 7.
> Seems to me there should be 40 or 50 who were standing right there on the
> corner. But there were only 2. The same two Amos and Andy. LOL;) I mean
shots. Most people were watching the motorcade down on the street. Some
witnesses may not have been in a good position to see a rifle in the
window.
Research
Oct 9, 2012, 4:04:11 PM10/9/12
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Well how many other witnesses were there? I'd like to look at their
statements and testimonies.
>
>> Seems to me there should be 40 or 50 who were standing right there on the
>> corner. But there were only 2. The same two Amos and Andy. LOL;) I mean
>
> No, that's ridiculous. Not everyone was watching the TSBD looking for
> shots. Most people were watching the motorcade down on the street. Some
> witnesses may not have been in a good position to see a rifle in the
> window.
>
>> Enius and Brennan. And when there is an event no matter how large or
>> small, there will always be some people who think they saw something they
>> didn't. Did they see the boxes? NO! Did they see the scope? NO! So how do
>> the WC defenders and the nutters place any value on what these to CRAZYs
>> have to say?
>>
Many many many eyewitnesses watched the limo as it went on through the Elm
Underpass. That is why they ran down to the knoll area and up the hill
cause they thought the limo went that way? No hardly. They went down there
because that's where they thought the shot came from. Some saw smoke and
others saw flashes of light coming from that area. But did the FBI ask
about a hundred of the witnesses? The answer is no! Most were not asked at
all. Most were not questioned at all. And some witnesses statements did
not make it into the record. And a lot of them who did make a statement
was not called to testify because it didn't support the nut theory. And
the ones who claimed 3 shots and that they saw a rifle said they did not
see a scope on the rifle. Enius claimed to see the shooter's hand on the
trigger, but did not see the large scope on the rifle.
statements and testimonies.
>
>> Seems to me there should be 40 or 50 who were standing right there on the
>> corner. But there were only 2. The same two Amos and Andy. LOL;) I mean
>
> No, that's ridiculous. Not everyone was watching the TSBD looking for
> shots. Most people were watching the motorcade down on the street. Some
> witnesses may not have been in a good position to see a rifle in the
> window.
>
>> Enius and Brennan. And when there is an event no matter how large or
>> small, there will always be some people who think they saw something they
>> didn't. Did they see the boxes? NO! Did they see the scope? NO! So how do
>> the WC defenders and the nutters place any value on what these to CRAZYs
>> have to say?
>>
Underpass. That is why they ran down to the knoll area and up the hill
cause they thought the limo went that way? No hardly. They went down there
because that's where they thought the shot came from. Some saw smoke and
others saw flashes of light coming from that area. But did the FBI ask
about a hundred of the witnesses? The answer is no! Most were not asked at
all. Most were not questioned at all. And some witnesses statements did
not make it into the record. And a lot of them who did make a statement
was not called to testify because it didn't support the nut theory. And
the ones who claimed 3 shots and that they saw a rifle said they did not
see a scope on the rifle. Enius claimed to see the shooter's hand on the
trigger, but did not see the large scope on the rifle.
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