New Article: Experts Say Sirhan Did Not Kill RFK
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firefly
<bill_...@excite.com> wrote in message
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Clearly he did not.
Sirhan was up on a 4 foot high table, firing horizontally. Senator Kennedy
was shot from behind in a sharply upward angle.
The resulting bullet hole evidence supporting this: Ceiling tiles, door
jams, were removed and promptly lost.
There were TWO witnesses who saw the body guard to Kennedy firing a pistol
from his hip up into Kennedy. One said it was intentional, the other said
it was accidental. Both were not allowed to testify.
The mob had a lot of control of cities in America back then.
---firefly
Anthony Marsh
> <bill_...@excite.com> wrote in message
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>> Take it for what it's worth. Here's the link:
>>
>> http://www.nbc30.com/news/15712020/detail.html
>>
>
> Clearly he did not.
>
> Sirhan was up on a 4 foot high table, firing horizontally. Senator Kennedy
> was shot from behind in a sharply upward angle.
>
Sirhan was not "UP" on a table. He was NEXT to the table. And he was
short. The problem is that Sirhan was never close enough for his
revolver to leave powder burns. That happens only at closer ranges.
r2bz...@sbcglobal.net
> <bill_hi...@excite.com> wrote in message
***Someone standing on a four foot table would not have been firing
horizontally at someone walking on the floor.
Stand as if firing a gun from your hip. Try turning your wrist
upward.
It is rather difficult.
***Ron Judge
JLeyd...@aol.com
> Take it for what it's worth. �Here's the link:
>
> http://www.nbc30.com/news/15712020/detail.html
The RFK assassination is prime example of how much some people desperately
need to believe in conspiracies. Here is a case where the killer is
caught virtually standing over the dead man's body with a smoking gun in
his hand and these people say he didn't do it. (It was a lady in a polka
dot dress or someone else.) Kinda dulls any hope that we'll ever see an
end to the JFK assn. controversy. Too many people enjoy it.
JGL
firefly
<r2bz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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***Ron Judge
====
How could this possibly be considered difficult?
---firefly
firefly
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On Mar 27, 11:54 am, "firefly" <firefly...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> <bill_hi...@excite.com> wrote in message
>Please inform forum members which witness/witnesses >said Sirhan had
>been standing on a 4 foot high table.
After checking the preponderence of material, I stand on the floor,
corrected on this.
I had read it recently online, and was amazed I hadn't understood it to be
the case before. It was reported on that page in error.
>Please inform forum members of the names of the two >witnesses who said
>Thane Cesar had shot RFK.
Wikipedia says it was 3 witnesses to Thane Cesar shooting into Kennedy, not
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan
In other reports, there were 2 witnesses, one a newsman.
The name of one is Donald Schulman, who is the witness who believed Thane
Cesar's attempt to shoot back at Sirhan caused him to shoot Kennedy, as he
reports he observed happen. One place this was testified was on KNXT news
with Jerry Dunphy on June 5, 1968.
The other one or two witnesses are elusive at the moment, as they are not
found in my immediate search, and I need to get back to work.
There is, however, newly found additional evidence to support the veracity
of a second shooter.
The shots in the kitchen pantry was recorded on audio tape by Stanislaw
Pruszynski, a freelance newspaper reporter who was covering Senator
Kennedy's presidential campaign for the Montreal Gazette.
Pruszynski had made the recording with a battery-powered portable cassette
tape recorder and an attached microphone. Pruszynski's tape has become the
only known sound recording of the Robert F. Kennedy assassination and
analysis of it has only just begun.
On February 21, 2008, scientific results that conclude the recording
reveals a second gun in the assassination were presented at the American
Academy of Forensic Sciences annual meeting in Washington DC for further
study and peer review.
---Firefly
Anthony Marsh
> On Mar 27, 4:54 am, "firefly" <firefly...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> <bill_hi...@excite.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:575ab0ea-600b-44a1...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Take it for what it's worth. Here's the link:
>>> http://www.nbc30.com/news/15712020/detail.html
>> Clearly he did not.
>>
>> Sirhan was up on a 4 foot high table, firing horizontally. Senator Kennedy
>> was shot from behind in a sharply upward angle.
>>
>> The resulting bullet hole evidence supporting this: Ceiling tiles, door
>> jams, were removed and promptly lost.
>>
>> There were TWO witnesses who saw the body guard to Kennedy firing a pistol
>> from his hip up into Kennedy. One said it was intentional, the other said
>> it was accidental. Both were not allowed to testify.
>>
>> The mob had a lot of control of cities in America back then.
>>
>> ---firefly
>
>
> ***Someone standing on a four foot table would not have been firing
> horizontally at someone walking on the floor.
>
Sirhan was not standing on the table. He was standing next to it and he
was grabbed by Rosie Greer.
r2bz...@sbcglobal.net
> <r2bzju...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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***Place the gun at your hip and try to aim up by bending your wrist. You
are basicly forced to shoot level.
The arm would have to be bent upward to fire upward, raising the altitude
of the gun.
***Ron Judge
Anthony Marsh
> On Mar 26, 10:17�pm, bill_hi...@excite.com wrote:
>> Take it for what it's worth. �Here's the link:
>>
>> http://www.nbc30.com/news/15712020/detail.html
>
> The RFK assassination is prime example of how much some people desperately
> need to believe in conspiracies. Here is a case where the killer is
I still can't figure out a way to explain it to you so that you can
understand that a lone shooter can be part of a conspiracy. I guess
you've never heard of a contract killing. A paid assassin is the only
person firing, but he is paid to to it by someone else. That makes it a
conspiracy.
firefly
<r2bz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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***Ron Judge
===
Since it was determined by the coroner that the fatal head wound was shot
from about 1.5" away, it's probable that Thane Cesar got one off raising
his arm, or during Kennedy's going down to the floor.
---firefly
Anthony Marsh
> allegations that Thane Cesar shot RFK . You need to provide credible
> evidence - simply put, there isn't any - which is why Cesar wasn't charged
> in the first place.
>
> As to the ridiculous allegations that he used his H&R .22 pistol - he got
> rid of this weapon in September 1968. Think about it. He got rid of the
> murder weapon 3 months after the assassination. He sold it for a measly
> sum of money instead of throwing it in a river! And he held on to the gun
> at the risk of facing a serious murder charge? What kind of ridiculous
> conspiracy is this?
>
Even YOU might be a little suspicious if he had thrown it into the river
immediately after the assassination.
firefly
<MELA...@talktalk.net> wrote in message
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There is nothing PROBABLE about it. You simply cannot throw around
allegations that Thane Cesar shot RFK .
------
You have shown handsomely that you have no regard for testimony from anyone.
---firefly
firefly
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On Mar 28, 12:29 am, "firefly" <firefly...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> <MELAY...@talktalk.net> wrote in message
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> news:e6c2f527-b159-4de7...@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 27, 11:54 am, "firefly" <firefly...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > <bill_hi...@excite.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:575ab0ea-600b-44a1...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Take it for what it's worth. Here's the link:
>
> > >http://www.nbc30.com/news/15712020/detail.html
>
> > Clearly he did not.
>
> > Sirhan was up on a 4 foot high table, firing horizontally. Senator
> > Kennedy
> > was shot from behind in a sharply upward angle.
>
> > The resulting bullet hole evidence supporting this: Ceiling tiles, door
> > jams, were removed and promptly lost.
>
> > There were TWO witnesses who saw the body guard to Kennedy firing a
> > pistol
> > from his hip up into Kennedy. One said it was intentional, the other
> > said
> > it was accidental. Both were not allowed to testify.
>
> > The mob had a lot of control of cities in America back then.
>
> > ---firefly
> >Please inform forum members which witness/witnesses >said Sirhan had
> >been standing on a 4 foot high table.
>
I have found eyewitness testimony taken on news video the night of the
shooting saying Sirhan was on top of a table:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=L4EmJIfpupI&feature=related
Watch it and weep.
---firefly
Anthony Marsh
One versus many. How could Rosie Greer boy slam Sirhan and grab the
revolver if Sirhan was STANDING on the table? You are cherry picking.
> ---firefly
Canuck
>
> In other reports, there were 2 witnesses, one a newsman.
>
> The name of one is Donald Schulman, who is the witness who believed Thane
> Cesar's attempt to shoot back at Sirhan caused him to shoot Kennedy, as he
> reports he observed happen. One place this was testified was on KNXT news
> with Jerry Dunphy on June 5, 1968.
>
> The other one or two witnesses are elusive at the moment, as they are not
> found in my immediate search, and I need to get back to work.
>
> There is, however, newly found additional evidence to support the veracity
> of a second shooter.
>
> Kennedy's presidential campaign for the Montreal Gazette.
>
> tape recorder and an attached microphone.Pruszynski'stape has become the
> only known sound recording of the Robert F. Kennedy assassination and
> analysis of it has only just begun.
>
> On February 21, 2008, scientific results that conclude the recording
> reveals a second gun in the assassination were presented at the American
> Academy of Forensic Sciences annual meeting in Washington DC for further
> study and peer review.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is the first time I've heard of Pruszynski. Is he mentioned in any
books on the subject? have ordered O'Sullivan's documentary from our
library. I vaguely recall that he e-mailed me a few years ago. I'll have
to find it as I don't remember what his question was?
- Peter R. Whitmey
Canuck
>
> - Show quoted text -
There is a detailed report on Pruszynski as part of a biography of RFK at
wikipedia.com. I have ordered O'Sullivan's documentary from the library.
He had e-mailed me back in 2004 in regard to my short article on John
Meier, which I sent him. - Peter R. Whitmey