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 More options Oct 1 2012, 8:54 pm
Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk
From: Bud <sirsl...@fast.net>
Date: 1 Oct 2012 20:54:22 -0400
Local: Mon, Oct 1 2012 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: Book including Oswald
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On Oct 1, 1:57 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 9/30/2012 10:57 PM, Bud wrote:

> > On Sep 29, 9:54 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 9/29/2012 4:32 PM, Sandy McCroskey wrote:

> >>> On 9/28/12 4:33 PM, Richard Ferguson wrote:

> >>>   >snip<

> >>>> It's a
> >>>> fact that Kennedy bounced off the back seat after he was shot.  I tried
> >>>> looking at the film frame by frame and couldn't see his head move forward
> >>>> after the shot.

> >>> You need to compare frame 312, just before he was shot, to frame 313,
> >>> right after he was shot. He has continued to move forward. Whether any
> >>> added impetus to his already commenced forward motion can be attributed
> >>> to the bullet may harder to determine, but what is clear is that the
> >>> impact of the bullet did not move him backward (not that the mere impact
> >>> of a bullet could have done that anyway).

> >>> /sandy

> >> No, you need to compare all the frames from Z-300 to Z-320.

> >    Why not z-170?

> Because the limo did not start slowing down until after Z-300.

> >> You are committing the Fallacy of False Cause by only looking at two
> >> frames and assuming they are the only ones relevant to what caused the
> >> motion.

> >    They are the only two relevant to how Kennedy`s position changed
> > when hit by the bullet.

> CAUSE. The cause does not have to be what you assumed.

  Then you should show that Kennedy`s head was going forward at
generally the same rate every frame leading up to the headshot.

> >> No one argues that the IMPACT of the bullet moves his whole body
> >> backward.

> >    You should familiarize yourself with the discussions you enter. the
> > original poster wrote...

> >    "For me, that has never been satisfactorily explained, that and the
> > incontrovertible fact that Kennedy was knocked back by the head shot
> > hard enough that he bounced off the back seat cushion."

> He never mentions the word IMPACT.

  Is that why you couldn`t figure out that people had taken the
position you claimed no one had. Because they didn`t use the word
IMPACT?

> >> That is a straw man argument.

> >    An actual position someone took is the opposite of a strawman.

> No one took that actual position. That is what a straw man argument is.

   Actually the poster was putting forth the idea that it was the force of
the bullet that threw Kennedy back. Not a strawman, an actual position
expressed by someone.
> >> And yet some WC defenders try to argue that just the IMPACT of a bullet
> >> threw his head forward violently.

> >    Yes, the impact of the bullet pushed Kennedy`s head forward
> > slightly. Equal and opposite reaction means that Kennedy`s head was
> > pushed forward by as much force as was exerted on Oswald when he shot.

> >> Hypocrisy, thy name is WC defender.

> >    Misrepresentation, your name is Marsh.


 
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