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Message from discussion Arlen Specter dies
From: "John Fiorentino" <jefiorent...@optimum.net>
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Subject: Re: Arlen Specter dies
Date: 14 Nov 2012 16:50:09 -0500
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Speer:

If the bullet entered above the clavicula as it appears then YES that is 
STILL considered the NECK by those of us who actually know what we're 
talking about.

You and Baden should get together. You both seem to have much in common.

The only thing I can agree with you on is the ammunition used, which you 
alluded to in another post.

Not that it relates to the wound we are discussing however, just in 
general. (Something I'm still looking into)

BTW Your stuff is still coming to my inbox.

John F.




"pjspe...@AOL.COM" <pjspe...@aol.com> wrote in message 
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On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:45:43 AM UTC-8, John Fiorentino wrote:
> Yes, Speer, I believe him.
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Are you joking? You believe that the wound shown in the autopsy photos is
at "the top of the prominent roll of soft tissue across the back of
President Kennedy's neck" Seriously? If so, can you please show us where
on Kennedy's body the "back of the neck" ends and "the back" begins?

As far as "cites," Lattimer wrote but one article for Medical Times in
1974. Here it is: ""The Kennedy--Connally One Bullet Theory: Further
Circumstantial and Experimental Evidence." "Medical Times," November, 1974
(and Gary Lattimer and Jon Lattimer).

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> "pjspe...@AOL.COM" <pjspe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:00:21 AM UTC-8, John Fiorentino wrote:
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> > I'll repost this........
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> > Your attacks on the now deceased Dr. John K. Lattimer are scurrilous and
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> > As with most assassination critics you get things about 1/2 right and
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> > I can assure you that the path of the bullet through JFK was DOWNWARD
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> > irrespective of Baden's "anatomic position" crapola.
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> You can assure me no such thing. Besides, that's not the point. My beef
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> In 1974, after viewing the autopsy photos, after all, he'd told Medical
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> Now, you've seen the autopsy photos. You were even given one by Belin. is
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> > "pjspe...@AOL.COM" <pjspe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:59:19 AM UTC-8, claviger wrote:
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> > > > No, I am pointing out that the official conclusion of the last 
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> > > > body. They explained this by suggesting he'd been leaning forward 
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> > > > historical FACT, then, that the conclusions of the HSCA forensic
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> > > > panel are at odds with the single-assassin conclusion offered up by
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> > > You have me confused.  There are only 3 possible choices for the
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> > > trajectory of the bullet that entered the back of President Kennedy.
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> > > Either it was a downward trajectory as the WCR and HSCA concluded, a
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> > Not true. You are assuming the bullet exited the throat. I see no reason
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> > > Where could the last possibly come from?  Only a ricochet could do 
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> > > JFK like any normal human being has a curve in his upper back,
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> > > although his appears more pronounced.  If you study the profile photos
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> > > I provided to Squinty you can see what I mean.  The human spine is a
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> > > long S-curve.  The lower part is concave (Lumbar curve) and the upper
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> > > Thoracic Spine Anatomy, Spine Curves: Kyphosis and Lordosis
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> > > curve, as in the thoracic spine, is called kyphosis. The kyphosis is
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> > > The bottom of the human throat is well below the top of the back as
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> > > File: Gray1195.png  Human neck
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> > > FIG. 1194? Anterolateral view of head and neck.
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> > > FIG. 1195? Front view of neck.
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> > > Muscular system (Male view)
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> > > The human neck extends from the external occipital protuberance down
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> > > to the bump at C7/T1.  Sitting normally as he was at the time,
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> > > approximately 6-8 inches of the curved part of his upper back is above
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> > > the seat cushion.  His shirt collar is approximately a 45? downward
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> > > angle from back to front. All this geometry proves the upper back is
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> > > http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/4/40/Photo_jfkl-01_0001-AR-8242-C.jpg
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