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Judyth: From the Beginning, Part 18

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Date: 10/29/00 2:29:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Americanwebworks
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In a message dated 10/28/2000 9:44:11 PM Central Standard Time,
Blackburst writes:

> Dear [ ] ++++++++++++++++++++comments like this+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Judyth:
> I can certainly understand and empathize with your frustration at the way
> this matter is playing out.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Thanks.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++
>
> I respectfully warned Martin and Howard sometime ago that (in the words of H.
> R. Haldeman!!!): Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, you can't get it
> back in again. For better or worse, your account IS out.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++[ ], if you present ten bones form
a dinosaur, and they are not definitive ones (not the thighbone, not a
jaw, not braincase, just ribs and digits, say)---people can
"construct" something far different from the truth. my account is not
out there, only a few bones. Without the rest of the evidence, it
sounds patently absurd. It was always the singular weakness--from the
absurdity of a cancer research specialist who was still a teenager, to
our love affair. But it is the truth. I invite anyone who is honest
to come spends twqelve hours with me face to face to see the evidence
and hear me out. Everyone who does knows I'm telling the truth.
Imagine if somebody had only a few facts about an atomic bomb: that it
was named BIG BOY or LITTLE BOY would be fodder for mirth. Oh,
[ ], it was serious business we were enagaged in. There is no
possible way to describe in a mere outline what was going on. Take one
simple thing: the number of mice we were using. They seem to assume
these mice were all there st the same time. But they were being
processed, a lot died and were thrown out in sawdust in the trash.
But go further: WHERE did all those mice come from? I have lists of
some of the places the actual mice came from, because they had a hard
time bringing in so many without it becoming obvious. So a house was
set up to breed baby mice near dave's. Ed haslam somehow discovered
this house. Now [ ], this is one tiny, tiny speck of what was
going on. But i can back all of it up in the same manner. It is so
complex that unless you understand why martin has four feet high of
email--plus he spent two days with me and saw the evidence--you would
be at a loss where to start. The travesty that passes for the 'story"
on the newsgroup is a nightmarish cartoon compared to what was really
going on.===========+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Lots of tantalizing
> details have crept not only into the newsgroups, but also into various emails
> making the rounds. Some of it apparently came from you at various times, and
> other parts came from Martin and Matt. I understand that you've also made
> presentations on videotape to news people and others.


+++++++++++++++++The film was made for use by Sixty Minutes, and to
document my witness and me. It also shows about 25% of the documents,
though they are hard tpo see on the film, i hear. i have never seen
the film, only a portion of it, as debra has MY film. This film does
NOT belong to her. I entrusted her with it temporarily since she lives
in california and I intended (nobody knows this now but you) to move
there. I had my offrice broken into and felt it would be safer with
her. That she has stolen the film and made copies provides evidence
that Debra Conway should never be trusted with anything. This record
was also made because i was receiving death threats from the mafia.
It was Debra's idea. She came blustering in and I agreed the filming
was a good idea. I told her it would not be her film from the get-go
and she knows that. We were originally merely going to make photos of
everything . Martin also took some film and debra has that, too. She
has no right to any of it. trust me, if you could have heard the GASP
David Lifton made when I told him I had a living witness, and when I
told him about the real situation at reily's, he almost went
speechless. David Lifton's book has been destroyed, and he is angry.
That's why he's spending all his time and energy discrediting me. Do
you think he'd be this hot and bothered if i were so easily revealed
to be a fraud? But by discrediting me shamelessly--and until, Debra
gave him an outline (I can tell he has an outline by the more accurate
stattements he is now making--they are close friends---Conway has
given him more to twist and make fun of. I now know how my poor Lee
felt. I have had to say to myself, I am doing my best, but this is
exactly why I didn't come out before now with this. So many immediate
enemies. I refused to let this excrement be dumped on my family and
am taking it alone, they are no longer living with me, at least they
doin't have to see my cry.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+


So the account IS OUT. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++Only the moist
twisted and scant version imaginable. Matt even forgot to mention my
specialized training, said i came straight from high school. you can
imagine how truncated the rest of it is. It's an absurdity nobody
would believe because it's reduced to absurd fragments. it's like
hearing "A Day in the Life" just a snatch here and there and saying,
The Beatles were no good.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++

> It is now simply a question of choosing the most sensible course to take at
> this point.
>
> I simply don't see any other way than to make some sort of full presentation
> at the earliest opportunity.


++++++++I need a lawyer, then it would be just fine. mr. Peter Cox, my
former agent, just as debra stole the film, has been trying to take
the book. he will succeed if i can't get help. He will sue me or
anybody wo talks about the book because of confidentiality agreements
that were signed. My hands are tied until we can get Cox to let go. i
am threatening him that there will never be a book and he'll therefore
never get any money unless he agrees to 22 1/2% plus AT plus $10,000.
he deserves nothing, [ ]. he changed the name of the book and
inserted lots of changes and --just as martin said--encrustations to
make it more "exciting" and peddled it around New York asking for a
million dollar advance! i anted no such thing. i was furious when I
found all the additions to the book. He had hidden them entirely from
me. I fired him after a few more fights about this and other things,
and he threatened to sue Sixty Minutes. they tried for fourteen months
and four times to make a 13 minute segment, which turned out to be
impossible, and they said they were ignoring Cox, but as a matter of
fact, he was going to hold the segment ransom for $30,000 is what i
was told confidentially, and of course, they couldn;lt do that. Sixty
Minutes would not have tried four times, and as a matter of fact they
still have at least one investigator still accumulating information on
leads I gave them---they believe me, the can;t get around Cox and
can;t get it compressed into a 13 minutes segment, and the Mexico City
thing has them going around in circles. The reason the informaton has
never goine anywhere else is we signed an exclusive with Sixty
Miinutes. by discrediting me on the newsgroup, it may be difficult
foir other media to take me seriously, but Sixty Minutes always has
and still does. I am very unhappy at the slander going on. My
daughter told me today she's going to write something--for she knows
that I never owned a single book about the assassination, that indeed
I did translate ancient egyptian, and that i spent all my waking hours
making a living, going to school, or with her until she left home enfd
of 1998 in marriage. I had a total of two weeks to write the book
before people knew about it. I did no research. I gave a version
without mentioning a lot of things to Dr. Riehl to begin with. As soon
as I learned ochsner was dead, I released what I knew about his
involvement. There is plenty. I hunted down the mafia and got two of
them on tape. I then got one star witness on film. Because i passed
for marina Oswald--and spoke Russian---and because my name Vary was
confused with ferrie, and I hid under "Baker" later, in another state,
I was able to escape detection. of course, it meant I had to leave
cancer research. My life's career was destroyed. Yet McAdams and
others think that a bright person would not go ahead and do something
rather bright, such as become pretty good at translating ancient
egyptian? Why not? ionvented a new process for getting magnesium out
of seawater at age fifteen,recognized nationally at age 16 for it---if
i could do that, why can't i translate something like Egyptian? I am
a poet, a painter, too. My children had an exciting life because of
all the things I was always doing. Because, again, i had to do
something.++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If you continue to leave only tantalizing bits

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++I am not leaving tantalizing bits
on the public record. OTHRS are doing tis. I have no control over
that, [ ]. Do you see me saying anything on the newsgroup? I
am not going on public record, others are. Matt spilled some beans----
Martin had so much information that is startling and new, he was
bursting to reveal it, and I do understand, it is human nature. But it
has made my position miserable, because of Mr. Cox. if these people
really care, let's get together and hire a lawyer and get Cox out of
the picture. Then the new York publishers, who do not want to deal
with a lawsuit, will publish the book. it is not that there were no
takers. it was that Cox wanted so mcuch money, and i was an unknown.
That's why I decided to do an exclusive with Sixty Minutes. it is Cox
who has destroyed the original plan and kept my mouth shut so tight.+++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> on the public record, skeptics will be picking away at every word, without
> the proper context. The only sensible way to pre-empt this is to make the
> context available.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++If you or others can help me finance a lawyer to put
Cox in his place, I hear Cox's p[ockets are not deep and he will back off.
But I have an income of $12,000, [ ]. I can barely feed myself. the only way i could raise money fast wouldbe to sell the story. i do not wish to do this. This story is not for sale. The book is "for sale" only so a mass printing can get the truth out for our people in this country, that is a goal.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> I don't know the best way to do this. Perhaps you should hold a summit
> meeting with a group of respected researchers from all sides, and make a
> presentation (and expect some tough questions) [and videotape the session].

++++++[...] My requirements would be to own an uncut version of the
film and to have a second camera there taking pictures of all of it
the film of which I would keep, after seeing that debra has my film
and can edit it to her heart's content (thank God, we do have some
copies, if she copied it without editing it...i have never seen my own
film).

[...]

I went to the newsgroup because did not know where to go.

[...]

Confidentially, a very important researcher believes me because I gave
this person special information only she knew of [apparently a
reference to Mary Ferrell--DR]. She is quite ill and i haven;t wanted
to bother her again because she's so ill. This very day i found out
she has a temp. of 103. If she dies, all the good she was going to do
for me will die with her, because she is convinvcced lee and I were
lovers--yes, she knows, she knew all sorts of things I thought nobody
knew about Lee and me,but somehow, she did.
I do not know what to do about Cox. We have to clear this fellow
out first. I wanted the book to go to publishers, but with lawsuit
threats, the won;t touch it. If I could speak for an hour on any
'talk" show it would probably reslt in a book offer despite Cox. We
have just been freed from the exclusive by Sixty Minutes.
Confidential: Sixty Minutes gave me money to make up for all expenses
I incurred beyond their paid-for trips, etc. They sent me all over the
place. Do you think they would have sent money to me if they thought
I was a fraud? ofm course not, they would have despised me. But they
know it's true, [ ]. I have been interrogated by a number of
prefessionals. they all believe me. I was examined by a
psychiatrist,and Lee's handwriting has passed two expert assesssments,
I believe. Documents have been tracked down. They are all backed up by
such things as newspaper clippings and living testimonies.

I want the testimony on record. How do we get a testiumony that will
compress the truth into a short enough time? Debra taped me for
several hours, and we got only halfway through a rough outline of the
first half of everything, still better than nothing.

Questions from both sides do not bother me, but first, it seems
wise to put an uninterrupted tstimony together.
before that, i have to deal with Cox. he'll sue me if I speak up
and 'reduce the value of the book." I have to deal with him first. My
sole aim is to clear Lee Oswald's name. I am not interested in money
and sure am not anxious to have my name out there and avoided this as
long as I possibly vcould.
At least, i can prove he was not like that in New Orleans. And
yes, i believe his conversations to me from Dallas. +++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> It seems to me that retrenchment is not an option at this point. If you
> choose this course, the skeptics will have a field day. It is better to get
> it out, let the challenges begin, and just get the whole thing over with.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++Somebody help me emasculate my halloween
horror, Cox, then!++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Since there is apparently no publisher, it would be many months before a
> book could be prepared,

++++++++++++++++Not really. if i got on TV with a decent exposure,
there are a dozen publishers ready. they wanted my name out there
first and then will make an offer. Cox knows this and is waiting like
a shark to take control. We get rid of Cox, get me on barbara wqalters
or Oprah, and i will have time to present enough details about lee and
me that the publishers we do have lined up will not be afraid of Cox
and will come through. The book in its original shape is in my hands.
it ois what Cox shopped around that was altered. Howard and i have
some footnoting to do, etc. but with a decent advance, i culd work on
it filltime and have it out there by May--maybe early as April. Not
fifteen years like Lifton takes. i lived it. i was there. i don;t have
to do research.,+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

and this would only inflame the skeptics. If some
> prior business arrangement prohibits commercial release of the story, it
> could be released non-commercially.
====++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++This is
exactly what i am threatening Coix with right now. that there will
NEVER be a book if he doesn;t give it up(I would pay him his arm and
leg anyway, I do not sue people, [ ], i always settle, but
don't want him to know that. I do not believe in lawsuits, they are
immoral).+That's why with debra, i will threaten, and if she doesn;t
hand back my films, I will tell everybody what she did.

[...]

Yes. The accounts i gave you from david's lectures are on their
original paper. My former husband ripped many of these sheets to
pieces in jealousy, thinking ferrie was my BOYFRIEND, I think! he
never knew the name of the man, but he certainly realized these were
precious to me. Anyway, I have handwriting that is not his, but when
we can analyze it, it may be able to be matched to one 0of his
friends, because i wrote on the back of one of these sheets. Dave
declaimed and proclaimedhis marvelous knowledge to us one entire
night. By the way, McAdams saying Dave was not a cancer researcher,
only a self-styled one, he's wrong. Dave had some sophisticated work
going on because he was being sponsored by ochsner, who loved the idea
of doing something clandestine like this. Ochsner was an avid right-
w9inger who vbelieved it as time to take matters inhis own hands. he
had significant contacts, as you must know, with Latin American
leaders and the CIA. He even sent Mary Sherman for him to latin
American affairs when he couldn;t go, as she could speak Spanish.
When I say things like this, people like McAdams would just say
i';m maing them up. But when they go hunt the facts dfown, they find
out they are true. I don't do 'research" [ ]--I have my
memories. That's all.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++
>
> Thank you for the info on Ferrie. He was a very paradoxical person. Smart,
> funny, capable of great things, but flawed in so many ways. Often a victim of
> his own brashness. His own worst enemy. Speaking of enemies, what's your take
> on Jack S. Martin Sr.? Ferrie was terribly angry at him in the summer of '63.
> What did he say about Martin? What did Martin say about Ferrie? Does Anna
> remember what her David felt about the two?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++Oh, [ ], yes, i know all about Jack
Suggs Martin. Actually when mad at him, Jack S. martin (Jackass
Martin). Sam Spade. Do you know what i mean by that? Anyway, they
had their street names, you know. By the time i knew them, jack martin
hated dave's guts and it was reciprocated. David Lewis was the go-
between, David Lewis so sharp and snazzy dressed, Jack in his black
clericals, David in his expensive suits, what a pair. And they hit it
off famously. I have a lot to say, it would exhaust me, i have a half
an hour i can talk about the relationships and problems on so many
fronts among those three. I have told Matt Allison a lot, perhaps
he'll share an email with you. otherwise, let me just say i know a
lot. To give you a little hint, all three men were bisexual.++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Did you ever meet Layton Martens? +++++++++++++++++++++++Yes, i did.++++++++++++++++++++++Jim Lewallen? John Irion? +++++++++++++++++No, I did not.

[...]

As lee and i developed a love affair, we withdrew from companionship
with others and he isolated himself as much as he could because,
posing as Pro castro, he had to be careful not to be seen around
places like Dave Ferrie's. But we came in walking down the service
road to Dave's in the back (here used to be a service road back there)
and came and went as privately as possible. Ed Haslam questioned me
about the bus route, which you take from St. Charles, after getting
off streetcar there, a few blocks dowjn from Dr. Mary's (Sherman's).
I told him he would not believe me. he said, expolain. I told him,
though LA PKWY was not that far to go down to get there, still, the
bus did not use the same roadway going there as coming back, and
explained other things, and how i had to walk behind on the service
road, etc. to go in the backway, and use the stairs. He then asked me
to describe some rather unusual details about the neighborhood as it
was back then, etc. .
It turned out that Haslam used the same bus route (now different)
going to school and he believes me, based on just such things, and
many more details about the lab that somehow he found out, some not in
his book. So he believes me.
. I have a lot of personal information and do remember a lot of
details, because I hoped someday to clear Lee's name. I did have so
many nightmares that finally I tried to forget about everything. That,
too, proved impossible.
More later.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Hang in there.
++++++++++++++++Thanks. it doesn;t matter to me that you think lee was
not innocent. What matters to me is that you're not judging me. I
always said there is an out, if Lee had lied to me. I do not think he
did so, of course.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Subj: Re: [ ]
Date: 10/29/00 2:38:39 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Americanwebworks
To: [ ]
CC: Howpl, Americanwebworks

In a message dated 10/28/2000 9:44:11 PM Central Standard Time,
Blackburst writes:

> Does Anna remeber what her David felt about the two?

Anna was not told much by her husband. He wasn;t very good to her. But
since we met there--Serio A., Quiroga, me, Lee, etc., she got to hear
an earful, since her husband was there, too, and a few times Dave as
well, or Jack S. M.---and this was at Thompson;s restaurant, where she
was a waitress. Lee and I and she and her husband David -- we went out
on dates together several times. marina called there trying to hunt
Lee down once, as she will testify and no doubt Marina will deny.
However, there was a reference to Quiroga at Thompson;s restaurant. I
was told to steer clear of Quiroga, that he could not be trusted.
Would never have remembered anything aout him except he was sitting
there waiting to see if i would show up, and i was told by a different
Carlos, Don't go in there! this was when Lee was doing pamphleteering
and i was supposed to drop off extra sheets there. I could not, so
took them to where Lee was already in place, I was told watch out, or
I'll be photographed, so i got out of there. However, Macd McCllough
remembered seeing me there. He's on tape as having seen me and Lee
together playing chess at palmet Park and eating at his mom's
restaurant, Lee's Bar & grill (Lee liked to take me to places called
"Lee" just for a blast. That is why we also went out to thre House of
lkee and i found out that critter was in tight with the mafia, because
the meal was free(Marcello paid the tab wherever we went where the mob
owned or part-owned a place). This mob-owned fellow is sherrif this
very day in Jefferson parish, and he'd wipe me oiut if he heard I was
talking about this. Yet those irresponsible jerks put my name and face
and workplace up on the internet. I'm hpoping lee never finds out. Not
that he'd do me harm--but if he complained, one of his lackeys might,
just to get favor)+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: 10/29/00 10:12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Americanwebworks
To: [ ]
CC: Americanwebworks

In a message dated 10/29/2000 6:29:43 PM Central Standard Time,
[ ] writes:

> Yes, I'd LOVE to know why Ferrie and Martin had a falling out in '63!!!! Can
> you tell me?
Yes, i can tell you what I know happened when I was there. There
were earlier incidents, but I was there when the final blows got
struck that sealed everybody's fate, in that from then on, Jack S;.
Martin hated David Ferrie..
I'll give you the short version for now. It's still pretty long.
1) Lee and I suddenly quit going with Dave and Anna Lewis. They
interpreted this as we felt we were too good for them. Even today.,
Anna is still sure I snubbed her (I was young and I guess I did,
matter of fact. Was so caught up in Lee, and we ran out of time and
started also hiding our association, esp. after July 19). we suddenly
stopped seeing them.
2) And here Dave Lewis, end of August, even lent us his friend's
Nash so we could go up to Jackson, and honestly, we broke the car
overheating it, and I think ruined it, that was the last straw for
Dave Lewis (about August 31st-Sept. 2nd, somewhere in there this
happened).
3) On top of this, "Suggs" as Lee called him for some reason, was
also angry when Dave F. about the same time started snubbing him,
although they had once fdone everything together, now not so. They
had a rocky past year anyway ---but now Dave kept Jack S. Martin out
of our circle for weeks and this turned to months, though they still
met at parties, etc.
4) We had turned Dave Lewis out of our circle, and also Jack Martin,
who worked with David writing political newsletters and other things,
being already close friends with David Lewis, now the two of them were
warned to leave us alone, and they thought we were getting a lot of
money for what we were doing, and that made it even worse. These two
men grew much closer to each other nursing their anger and hurt pride.
Anna was pregnant with I think her third baby in three years,
and David felt overwhelmed and also saw nothing wrong with bisexual
encounters. Martin was all for it, too. They started really living it
up.

As for us, we were working hard against a deadline, and those
men were not in on this project. Ochsner would not hear of it. The
mafia did in fact get Dave F. "cover" work with an attorney (Mr. Gill)
so he could have an "outside income" to account for his money, as they
knew he was in various anti-castro activities and that way could back
him as he tried various ploys and projects, since he'd lost his
airline job and wasn't making much money giving flying lessons, or so
i heard. But he didn;t get all that much, it was absurd how jealous
martin got.
And all the time, Dave was fighting Eastern or National, whichever
it was (I think Eastern?) to get reinstated. And he had no chance in a
million years.
. Dave had been researching in cancer for awhile, i do not know
how long, before I knew him, but i certainly would say he knew a
considerable amount of information, the man was like a sponge, his
only fault having indiscriminately picked up his knowledge and not
being able to sort out some of the best from the ordinary, in matter
of conceptualization and methodology. That's where i came in, I could
cut through to the cortex and get rid of the junk.
That's how i solved the magnesium from the sea problem: the
bottleneck was using platinum for a catalyst, what a slow-down, and
expense.
So I attacked the bottlenecks, you might say, in their cancer
research, I had that ability.
Dave took this project quite seriously.
Jack Martin was already upset at Dave for a few things that had
happened before I got there, but being shut out of this area made him
mad with jealousy. He felt insulted. He brought up their 'religious
experiences" and so on, but Dave F. ignored him.
So we had David Lewis and his wife Anna insulted at me and Lee,
and Dave Lewis getting forbidden to come around Dave F's for weeks,
and Jack Martin felt insulted, too. In fact, he acted crazy over it,
and even tried to sneak upstairs the front way to see what Dave was
doing. In his mind, it had to be something sexual going on. He did
know about Dave's medical library card. It was not a regular library
card. That is an entirely different area, but he knew about it from
1962. in 1963 i was given the ame card by ochsner at Tulane medical
Libraryt and dave told me his name was also on the list. there was a
number that, when called in, identified people who had privileges
attached to that pass card.
So more on that another time.
Dave, for example, was splicing some films, I don't have time to go
there now, but Martin tried to come over that time, too, and see them.
He was sure they were porn films, but they were anti-castro training
films, several days' worth, i think, being spliced together. Lee was
also involved in helping to make those films. He was also in them.
So Suggs was a pain, and Dave F. told him so.
Dave Lewis and Jack Martin then cleaved to each other like brothers
and ended up together, in the Biblical sense. They began partying and
wasting their time together by the end of the summer, and as far as
Jack Martin was concerned, Dave Ferrie was now the scum of the earth.
He began to hate him irrationally. The more Dave ignored him, the
worse Suggs got. That's what i heard, I was gone by then. And i
believe is the basis for his crazy accusations and persecutions.

So both Jack Martin and Dave Lewis thought they were being
snubbed, and were hurt and angry. And began a sexual relationship
together as they both had the same reasons to be mad at Dave. That is
at least part of why Martin in the end got Dave in trouble--and is
also why Banister disciplined Jack M. that night of the 22nd. Some of
this I arrived at after long thought.,for nobody ever sat down and
spelled it out, and I was so naive that it took me a long time to
figure out why this unstable man was not wanted over, or why Dave
Lewis would support somebody like Suggs.
I may not have it all right, but that is how i saw it, and hope it
helps. =j=

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Subj: health...the film....more....
Date: 10/30/00 9:34:55 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Americanwebworks
To: [ ]

[...]

I have a lot of medical training and kept up with it....the books my
daughter talked about were in OUR library, by the way...
anyway, if your children get sick, esp. earaches or minor things,
contact me...you'd be surprised how many people are on my "list" for
their children!

I hope the material on Martin and Lewis (sounds like a comedy team,
and actually we made that joke aboiut them) wasn't too vapid. This
was over money, you know. They were sure we were rolling in it. As a
matter of fact, we didn;t see any of that money; reminds me of Sixty
Minutes: they still have investigators working on it, and while some
persons I know got paid significant sums for acting as consultants--
and 60M may reopen this again--if we could get rid of COX!!!----
anyway, I only got $ for lost wages, having to cancel tutoring classes
when flown to NY, etc. 60M would not pay somebody who was discovered
to be a fake, you know. They know I am genuine and the story is
important. They just don;t want Cox sueing them--have you seen the
Insider? We had another tort thing on our hands.
NY publishers won't touch the book until Cox is out of the picture.
We have a lawyer who is on the wrong coast--i am trying to find a NY
literary lawyer we can afford. I have only about $350 but Howard will
matchg. We HAVE to curtail Cox, as right now nobody will touch
anything until we get him out. By the way, he is threatening lawsuits
when it clearly says in our contract we must go to arbitration if
there is a problem, so even this threat is illegal. he has been such
bad news. And then Debra Conway stole the film I asked her to hold on
to for me, since my place got broken into twice and my office three
times. I had my Oswald diary stolen! Anyway, it is so cruel how the
newsgroup says nobody wants this, because the exclusive with 60M just
expired, and we have not decided where to go uyet, or to wait and see
if 60M will try again if we get rid of Coc for them.
And the publishers aree just waiting until I am free from him, too.
As they won;t publish until there is publicity about me so that
people will buy the book, fair enough.
As for me, I don;t care if a book made zero. I just want the truth
to get posted out there in a mass form that will be in permanent print
form--websites can be altered and print-offs of them altered, so the
testimony could be altered and nobody would know. That is why I object
to non-book eprints.
A film would be one way out.
Well, think about it. We have a copy of the film debra stole. How can
she describe herself as an honorable woman? But she did so in an email
to me. She has vcut me oiff so I can;t email her anymore--and still
has the film. I just get manipulated by people, which is what
happened, too, so long ago.
Howard and Martin have never done any of that to me. But debra has
really done damage. Lifton is a good friend of hers. So who knows what
she'll do with the film? by the way, i have never seen myself on the
film. I have no copy. Why? DEBRA has my film, which she now claims as
her own.
here i turned down a lot of money, and this film is in Debra's hands,
which does not belong to her.
Any ideas?
I was thinking maybe she could be shamed into giving it back.

????
take care--I was touched by the description of your family and
circumstances....I do think it strange that the most talented people
are like farmers--at the bottom of the chain, yet without these kinds,
life is not possible or is not worht living.....j

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Subj: Debra Conway says SHE owns OUR film--background info --also ask
everyone's help
Date: 11/4/00 2:54:28 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: ElectLady63
To: Blackburst, Atlasrecrd, Howpl, re...@louisiana.edu
To: msh...@concentric.net, [ ]
CC: [ ]
CC: [ ], [ ]
CC: [ ], [ ], [ ]
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In a message dated 11/04/2000 7:40:40 AM Central Standard Time,
[ ] writes:

> Do you want me to see about getting your film or a copy back? Do you have a
> short synopsis of what the film is, how it came into being, all that?
>
> Thanx.
> [ ]


MESSAGE BELOW IS FROM JUDYTH TO ALL:t feel like i am living in a
blooming soap opera!

THE LANCER CONFERENCE WILL SOON BEGIN. DEBRA REFUSES TO HAND BACK OUR
FILM AND CLAIMS IT BELONGS TO HER.
ALL OF YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, AND THE PROVENANCE OF
THE FILM.
REPLY TO [ ], AND TO ALL:


Dear [ ]; the film was made early in January, 2000 in New
Orleans. Here is how it came to be: please do forgive some
chronologica inaccuracies, but this is approximately how i recall it.
We were exhausted by a series of circumstances, including my being
kept up almost all night for a couple of days while this was going on,
so my sequencing may be a little off, but basically, here is what
happened:


PART ONE OF TWO EMAILS:

WE ARRIVE AT HOTEL HECK (Martin S's apt term)

Martin Shackelford, Howard Platzman, Joe Riehl, Debra Conway, Anna
Lewis, with her daughter, Sondra, and I all congregated in "Hotel
Heck": very rundown, only one I could afford to go to, so they all
went there, too (this was a Days Inn, even the hot water failed, who
would have thought a Days Inn could be in such deplorable condition?

The first day, I took them on tour that began at Reily's. That is just
about as far as Debra Conway made it. She saw and heard almost
nothing of the tour, compared to everybody else, and it is a
shame,because my comments brought everything into perspective. She had
a hypoglycemia attack, I think she said.


WHAT DEBRA MISSED

She did not see, but everybody else did, the routes we had between my
place to Dr. Mary's to Dave Ferrie's, just minutes apart by streetcar
and bus. I could make the route in little more than half an hour to
all three and get back if I had to. They documented all of this.You
could see the circle I made between all these sites as easy to make
and could be made every day if necessary.
We then went by Lee's and I showed them it was the side, not
front, apartment, 4905, and met the current tenant, who said this WAS
the apartment originally, not the front one that is always pointed
out.
I also showed them the bus route --- just one stop between his
place and mine, and where we met in between at the playground many a
time. Of course, Lee and I rode the same bus to and from work: they
could see we were only two minutes apart by car and Shack filmed the
entire route of this.
. By the way, we also went inside my old apartment house, at 1032
Marengo, where the owner's daughter verified that once there had been
a bathtub in the kitchen there. (Yet, I am so embarrassed, i totally
forgot about the little fireplace, amazing what I remember and
forget).
Shackelford filmed of all of this.

COMNWAY SAW NOINE OF THIS...BECAUSE....

Conway fell ill (she is not a strong woman) when we first
started all of this, when we drobe to Magazine St. --- she got VERY
crabby and went back to the motel to rest.
. Shackelford was really doing almost all this filming.
She did not even see all the downtown tour. I showed them all
about Reily's, where the time clock ewas between the two sections on
the side, then Eli Lilly's just a block down, and the places Lee went
to, inc. how close Jones printing is that when he was working at
Reily's (el conservative!) he HAD to send somebody else over there to
pick up the inflammatory posters and stuff because he could have been
spotted by a reily employee who might report the pro-castro stuff.

LEE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SPOTTED BY A CONSERVATIVE REILY EMPLOYEE WITH PRO
CASTRO POSTERS, AS EASILY SEEN IF YOU STAND THERE AND SEE HOW THE SIDE
AREA WAS WHERE REILY EMPLOYEES LOUNGED AROUND AT THEIR BREAKS AND FOR
LUNCH, ETC., SO LEE SENT SOMEBODY ELSE TO PICK THEM UP FOR US.

That's why somebody else was sent to pick those things up, neither I
nor Lee could do that, with Reily's so close by and Reily employees
walking around so close there. When you see that and it is pointed
out, it's very reasonable.
Now, Debra missed almost all of this, as she continued to talk to a
member of the Alba family in front of Crescent City Garage next door
to Reily's. It almost wore her out just to go around the corner and
down the block to Banister's.

(BTW, thought it was Kerry T, who was sent to pick up the printed
materials....he trying to make up for having picqued Lee by visiting
Marina when Lee wasn't around-- we spotted him entering onto Lee's
porch without hesitation as if he owned the place, infuriating Lee.
At that time, Lee and i had not yet begun having intimate
relationship.)
. Anyway, there was some argument among the people with me about
whether Thornley picked the posters up, which argument Debra also
missed, but I am still pretty sure that's who it was, as Lee said
Kerry was going to do it, that he owed us, though I don't know if that
is the way it ended up.). Soon after that Thornleyt left town for the
rest of the summer, as lee was still on his tail, as it turned out,
over Marina. Lee said Kerry's new hatred of him was to the degree of
being "sick" meaning mentally ill.
So Debra missed all of this, and stood there talking to an Alba
family member and took some film of that person with her camera,
while. I did come back there, and showed everyone else (she also may
have missed this) where the original office was at Alba's--- and that
was the same as described in my book (this was the first time I had
been to N.O. and actually got out of a car, as everybody knows who
knows me, I am VERY limited in income, etc.and someone has always been
with me when passing through N.O. the two times before now that I did
so.... )

--anyway, took everybody BUT Debra (she went around later, but
missed my remarks) around to the back and showed them how Lee used
Alba['s to slip away unobserved by Reily employees, rather than going
around the front way, and being seen by everybody at Reily's when he
left.
It was very obvious once you poked your nose through the doorway
there. You could see the street, and if it was clear or not.
naturally, Lee became friends with Alba to use the walk-through route
there.

We then went around the front, and discussed Crescent Garage's
original office again which was different from what Howard had got
from Ron Lewis (a man Lee NEVER, by the way, mentioned EVER to me) ---
who said the office had been rebuilt in another section. It was
obvious that noithing had changed for many years.

The narrow corridor i had remembered, we were able to spot also (I had
gone in there once and Lee kissed me almost in front of Adrian Alba,
at least we are pretty sure he probably saw us---which I do hope he
remembers).


All this time, Shackelford is filming. Debra? She will soon go
back to motel and collapse.. Howard (who has fibromyalgia and was
weak and tired--HE hung on, God bless him!)--is forced to sit in back
of Joe Riehl's pickup truck for lack of room . In this fashion, out we
head to see the routes and apartments as expolained above, but Debra
drives back to the motel at this time and sees none of it. In other
words, she missed almost everything on the tour. Of all of them, she
was therefore weakest in obtaining the information I offered, includig
many insights as they could see how efficiently we laid out our
routines and routes.

DEBRA MISSES REVEREND JIM'S

Shack still filming, we left where Banister's office and the
building used to be, all conveniently torn down, to undertake a five
block walk, I think, though it was a straight shot down, to where Lee
and i 'worked" a few times ---to give me an excuse to have some money
to show Robert, after i got fired (forced to resign, actually) as
secretary to Vice pres. Monaghan at Reily's. This was my excuse to get
into the same area once more when necessary for some meetings.
back in 1963, Lee and I would meet at Thompson's Restaurant -- i
would swing in on streetcar from Dr. Mary's---and there David Lewis
and his wife, Anna, and Lee and I ate snacks together, and then i
would go on down to reily's and check out.
It wasn;t dark yet, so a few times, I wuld return to Thompson's
(Robert almost always gone) and we began dating a little together,
too, going various places such as O'Brien's, Five hundred Club, and
Old Preservation Hall---until lee and I became intimate and wanted
privacy for ourselves in the very limited opportunities that we could
get.

OUR WANTING PRIVACY HURT THE LEWIS' FEELINGS, AND DAVE FERRIE KEEPING
LEWIS AND MARTIN AWAY FROM THE PROJECT (LEE AND I WERE NOW OFTEN THERE
AND FERRIE DIDN;T WANT PEOPLE TO SEE ME, SOTHEY WERE NOT WELCOME).
THIS SECRECY --AND A SEX PARTNER ARGUMENT THAT CAME UP--- APPARENTLY
MADE MARTIN THINK HE WAS BEING LEFT OUT OF A BIG MONEY DEAL, AND HE
BECAME VICIOUS ABOUT IT. DAVE LEWIS SOON WAS FIRMLY ON HIS SIDE IN THE
MATTER. THAT WAS THE END OF HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE LEWISES,M
AND I WAS EVEN AFRAID TO ASK ANNA TO TESTIFY, BUT SHE HAS, EVEN THOUGH
SHE REALLY DOESN'T EVEN LIKE ME VERY MUCH.


Thus the situation, and the sex problems we were all having, and
rumors about big money deals, caused a break between Dave Lewis and
Ferrie, and, because Jack S. Martin thought this was a big money-
funded deal, and he was also excluded, there was quite a blow-up that
finally ended in Dave Lewis and Jack Martin going off to lick their
grievances, and in the end Lewis left his pregnant wife to live with
jack martin in a homosexual relationship that had been going on for
some time but now intensified.
Martin was saying he'd fix Dave Ferrie for keeping him out of the
deal, and because of the two cuban boys he wanted Dave to share with
him.
It was all ugly and sordid. What lee and i had seemed so clean
and right, as we were both being treated badly by our marriage
partners and saw no future with them.

LEE HELPED MORE THAN ORIGINALLY PLANNED OVER AT FERRIE'S BECAUSE OF ME

Anyway, Lee and I had fallen in love and found this excuse to be
able to meet at Reverend Jim's, on Rampart St. Lee also "volunteered"
at Dave's to "help" with the animals and handling some of that while
supposedly "job hunting"-- in fact, he was NOT allowed to actually get
another job so that he would be 'forced' to return to Dallas when the
unemployment money ran out. That would cover everything and get marina
back to medical care, so Lee never intended getting a job. he spent
considerable time, when he could, with me at the labs.

(Or we met at the "library" too, of course-- and we also began
meeting in afternoons at fine hotels, all of tis paid for my the mafia
(meals) and Shaw (hotels-- Shjaw having given lee money for this
purpose, I believe, sice that is what he told me. Shaw had said he
'felt sorry for us"---it was height of summer and very hot, and we had
made love in a red van in Alba's garage one night and almost died of
heat stroke! I am hping somebody might be able to hunt up records
about a dark red, red or maybe maroon van(under night light, hard to
make out its color), a vehicle belonging to the City, i think, it was
getting refitted for use as a surveillance or public annunce system
vehicle, as it had some speakers and things getting attached to
it....).

At Dave's, Lee would move cages to and from a truck for us, but
also learned more than ever dreamed. He began with learning how to get
tumors out of sacrificed mice, and finally, he was learning how to do
some sophisticated sterile procedures.
He then became very valuable helping dave when i could not be there.
Lee learned to handle most of the medical materials, and then
became involved in learning how to keep the materials alive, safety
factors, everything.


PART TWO OF EMAIL FOLLOWS. FINISHING A BARE OUTLINE OF LEE AND ME,
PLUS WHAT DEBRA DID WITH OUR FILM

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Subj: Re: PART TWO OF THREE EMAILS.....RE SGTOLEN FILM AND BACKGROUND
Date: 11/5/00 12:33:04 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: ElectLady63
To: Howpl
CC: [ ]

In a message dated 11/05/2000 1:17:33 AM Central Standard Time, Howpl
writes:
CONFIDENTIAL JUST TO YOU ANDE [ ]. AM VERY SAD ABOUT MARY.
IT SEEMS JUST AS THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A CHANCE FOR LEE'S VINDICATION,
SHE IS DYING.SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO MAKE SURE THE BOOK GOT
PUBLISHED. AM VERY DOWN RIGHT NOW OVER IT.....PLEASE KEEP THIS TO
YOURSELVES.
>
> J -
>
> Poor [ ] just asked for a description of the film. The tour, and
> statements by you and Anna. Why are you pouring the whole story out?
>
> - H
I feel very alone here, Howard.
If all of you can come closer together, knowledge would help. I think
[ ] is a fine man who is honest and deserves to know whatever
can be said without showing him the book. I wish Peter Cox would go
vanish from our problem list.

People such as [ ] may have additional sources of evidence. I
was there, i have to find people who may know additional things that
will show who i was. This man knew about Dave [Ferrie]'s personal
possessions. I knew of some of them, too. Maybe he will come up with
more questions i can answer and eventually, he will be convinced that
I lived through this. It seems to me the details matt put out made
things a lot worse because they look so absurd. I fel that filling in
some holes was the least i could do, rrealizing that there are many
more holes that need explanation and filling.
And on top of that, I didn;t even know everything that was going on.
I have hopes [ ], who is honestly inquiring (I hope Dave
Reitzes will continue also) will eventually fight for my right to be
heard in a fair manner. because he'll realize I was there.
I am convinced, he may then focus, as some others are doing, on
what evidence he has that will turn out to verify my existence. I
always have that hope. There might be my yellow dress that will show
up in his records (I left one in Dave Ferrie's closet) -- or maybe he
knew about Dave's book of prayer that he got from England. there are
endless hopes that he will have some special information, as others
have, that nobody else knows about, and then he wilkl believe me.
That means he has to see more of how this complex matter happened.
As i said, i am living over here in lafayette alone, every day,
with harrassing phone calls 9almost all out of state hang-ups, I am
getting used to them, but even at three in the morning, and with my
mother so old, i have to answer the phone). i have had so much
disturbed sleep--and I have lost Sixty Minutes for the fourth time--I
miss you, too, and most of all, it has hurt so terribly to see the
lies and distortions, almost more than I can bear.
if I'm acting too openly, it is my last hope that somebody out there
will help find more evidence that verifies me. To do that, they need
to know where and how to look.

I VERY MUCH need HL's phone number, and so far, no number.....
I very much need the film back, and have never seen the silly thing,
nor has anybody ever sent me a copy. ...

Sixty Minutes recently said they were going to keep the film, yet I
have an email from Scheffler back from last year when he said he would
return the film, so I am hoping we can get that copy away from them
per that email promise....

My former agent is a bad man who fooled me.....

Mary is horribly ill, and she would have come out supporting me.....I
do not dare ask her anything now.....it is as if everything is just
plain hopeless.


People will not get the truth if I can;t hang in there, and that is
just plain reality.

I am exhausted, and do not know what to do.

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Subj: Response to Peter Cox demanding the corrected manuscript be
returned to him.
Date: 11/6/00 7:33:06 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: ElectLady63
To: [Peter Cox]
CC: Howpl

In a message dated 11/06/2000 9:50:07 AM Central Standard Time,
Howard.S...@marshmc.com writes:

>

Dear Mr. Cox:

The book you once represented is still able to be sold, but not
while you are breathing threats down my throat, and at others.
Because of you, I cannot even market my own book. Because of you,
nobody will touch it. People are afraid of getting sued. To say
nothing of what Sixty Minutes thought, after hearing from you AGAIN.

Of course we want a major house to publish this book. Even now,
even though you are no longer my agent, I will still even agree that
you should receive $10,00 expenses hitherto agreed upon, as well as
your 22 1/2% commission, on the book should it ever get published.

I have also -- in addition--- offered you your demanded 22
1/2% of any clearly related sequel.
But that isn't enough, it seems.

You now want the corrected manuscript back. We had to
correct many changes in the book that I never knew about, for which I
am presently being criticized (they are calling them "encrustations"
and you placed them there without my knowledge OR consent). Howard
saw them only at the last minute--the manuscript was already in
editors' hands-- he had no chance to correct what was already in the
hands of publishers. Serious questions arose at seeing the
manuscript: I, myself, would have had the same problems, having seen
how the manuscript varied from its original meanings.

You also changed the name of the book, radically altering its
implied meaning (from DEADLY ALLIANCE to TO KILL A PRESIDENT-- when we
were trying to kill Castro and hopefully reduce the pressure on plans
to assassinate the President)..


Besides trying to make Howard send you the CORRECTED
manuscript, you also want 22 1/2%--forever--of anything ELSE I ever
write OR do that generates any money concerning MY LIFE STORY--with no
time limit--for you and your heirs forever.
This, after doing me so much damage.

This is far more extensive a claim than was presented to us in
the original "breaking away" letter sent by your attorney. He NOW
insists upon the Oct. 3rd version breifly alluded to above. I
vehemently object.

I have been advised by an attorney who, thank God, has offered his
free services to assess your demands. I have been told that your
demands are outrageous and unprecedented.

We will miss the spring round of book sales unless you think
clearly about what you want. Do you want 22 1/2% and $10,00 as a
settlement out of this, should the book ever get published------or do
you want 22 1/2 % of nothing at all?

Because I would rather die than let you have this book. This book
contains historic materials important to my country and to the people
of this country. I would rather give all of it away than give this
book to Great Britain (you). I have waited over thirty-five years to
tell what happened. I can go to my grave with it, if necessary. Enough
information has been released to eventually vindicate me. Time is on
my side.

I plane to send friends to attend arbitration meetings in New
York to free the book from your claims. I can live on almost nothing,
as i always have. Had i cared about money, i would have sold the story
to the National Enquirer. I DO care that the truth remains in the
hands of the people of my own country, not in British hands.

I am assembling support behind me, and will keep gatherirng
more, if necessary.

Meanwhile, portions of the story, without the many supporting
details needed to help it make sense, and without the documentation
that proves it is true, are being published here and there on the
internet, and I have been unable to do anything about it because of
your threats.
If you want to salvage anything, I urge you to respond now..

Of course, you can keep listening to your lawer. He has
persuaded you to let him handle this,----but with what RESULTS,
Peter? Do you like how this is developing? I do not have to
threaten you when I say that you will lose a very expensive (for you)
battle here.

Pure and simple law and logic is on my side. As I have found
out. But I still prefer a decent and quick settlement. There might be
still time for us to get the book out this Spring, if you are only
reasonable.
So be reasonable.

Also---leave Howard alone, he's not part of this. There is NO
book without me.
You have to deal with me, I will not listen to Mr. Platzman.
This is a matter of my own survival in a very hostile environment
where I have absolutely nothing to lose but my pride, my life story,
and my future ability to reveal the truth about Lee Oswald.

If you don't cooperate, there simply will be no book for
years. I've waited for years, I can wait some more years. I have
already led people to new information with what I know. They will not
need the book, soon. And you can't stop that.

Do you want a book sale in the spring, or not?

Complaint: you have not communicated with me, but with Howard,
your attorney, etc.
I am keeping records of all of this, as it is demonstrable that
you are capable of responding to my attempts to settle this amicably
with you, but that you are talking to others about the situation (as
usual) in response and ignoring me (as usual) . You are even sending
threats and innuendoes to Howard, who has nothing to do with this, as
he has absolutely no influence on me.
Why don't you talk to me, please?

I asked you to contact me last Monday and you did not. As a
consequence, more information from the book has reached who knows how
many people. It would be wise for you to send me your release ASAP by
registered mail under the conditions I've mentioned: you may thus (if
i can salvage the book's reputation) someday get your "commission" and
$10,00 . But you must withdraw all other, future claims, as any
honest agent no longer working for a client would do. I am not
implying that you are dishonest or that you are involved in any
wrongdoing, unless you ignore me still, and thus fail to to do what is
right.

HOWARD IS NOT ALLOWED BY ME TO SEND YOU THE CORRECTED MANUSCRIPT.
THE GRIEF YOU CAUSED ME BY MAKING ALL THOSE CHANGES IS EXTENSIVE AND
HAS DAMAGED MY CREDIBILITY.

Sincerely,

Judyth Vary Baker

---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Judyth, Our attorneys have forwarded your fax to me.
>
> As I've already repeated on numerous occasions, I'm not prepared to do
> anything other than terminate our relationship as provided for in our
> contract.
>
> Howard, please send the corrected manuscript as previously requested.
>
> All best wishes -
>
> Peter

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Subj: clarification
Date: 11/6/00 8:16:45 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: ElectLady63
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>Subject: Platzman Speaks
>From: ho...@aol.com (Howpl)
>Date: Sat, Nov 4, 2000 00:46 EST
>Message-id: <20001104004633...@ng-cd1.aol.com>
>THIS GENTLEMAN SAID, IN HIS DISPASSIONATE WAY:
>..........
I find it ironic that you all of the CT persuasion have spent decades
chanting the: “release the documents” mantra and now you’re telling us
to put a sock in it. You seem to be ignoring the fact that you on
Team Baker are the ones that brought up the subject in the first place
and have kept it going. Cases in point:
===========ANYONE WHO COMES TO J. CAN LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS. McADAMS,
ETC. HAVE NOT BEEN INTERESTED IN ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE
DOCUMENTATION.===========

* Judyth’s agent apparently was the one responsible for the original
leaks that led to the Bookwire & Salon articles.
===YES. WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE.======

* Even though the Salon article didn’t mention Judyth’s last name
(and, indeed, misspelled the first name),
======JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE "ACCURACY" OF THE GOSSIP
COLUMNIST THAT MCADAMS INSISTED PRODUCED THE 'FIRST VERSION' OF THE
STORY FROM WHICH I LATER SO TELLINGLY 'DEPARTED'.....==========
she felt compelled to fire off a “long somewhat Gothic” e-mail to the
Salon writer


=====TO CORRECT THE OBVIOUS ERRORS, JUST SO THEY COULD NEVER BE
BROUGHT UP AS 'THE ORIGINAL ACCOUNT.' SO THERE I AM DOING THIS, TO
MAKE CLEAR THAT THE SALON ARTICLE WAS IN ERROR. EXAMPLE: THAT I WAS A
MORMON.-===========

and then followed that up with another written in the same “addle-
brained style,” in which she claimed to be someone else using JVB’s e-
mail address. (That should have been a red flag -- one of many..)

=========I BEGAN WRITING A SECOND TIME TO ANSWER THE MUDDLED MESS THAT
RESULTED FROM THE GOSSIP COLUMNISTS' NOT GETTING ALL OF IT STRAIGHT
EVEN AFTER BEING CORRECTED. A FRIEND OF MINE SAT DOWN AND EDITED MY
LONG-WINDED STATEMENTS. AND TOOK MY NAME OFF IT. FOR THIS I AM
ACCUSED OF MAKING UP AN EMAIL. AS IF THIS WAS A DOCUMENT THAT HAD ANY
IMPORTANCE TO ANYBODY ANYWAY! PERHAPS THOIS MAN HAS NEVER HAD ANY
FRIENDS WHO WANTED TO HELP HIM OUT. THIS WAS A VERY MINOR MATTER---AND
I COULD CARE LESS WHO WROTE THE SECOND SET OF CORRECTIONS=========

* Martin introduced the subject into the NGs as early as last spring
and maybe earlier with little teasers about having an unnamed secret
witness. Then he waxed indignant when McAdams did the 2+2 math and
broke the code.
=======I HAD GIVEN MARTIN PERMISSION TO DO THIS BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT
WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF YOU COULD TELL WHO WOULD REACT WITH A
MIND-SET, AND WITH PREJUDICE. IF NOTHING ELSE, WE NOW KNOW WHO WOULD
REFUSE TO BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST IF HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND STOOD
BEFORE THEM.======================================

* Since the grand unmasking, Martin has put up easily more than 100
posts -- I’m not about to count ‘em -- on the subject letting little
tidbits dribble out here and there.

=====MARTIN HAS GALLANTLY DEFENDED MY HONOR, ONLY SETTING TO RIGHT
OUTRAGEOUS MISINTERPRETATIONS AND CURTAILING GALLING MOCKERY. I AM
VERY GRATEFUL, SINCE I CANNOT, DUE TO LEGAL PROBLEMS, DEFEND
MYSELF.=========================

* It also was Judyth who insisted on talking to Lifton and you guys
arranged it -- ok, against your better judgment.

=====LIFTON CALLED ME. I WAS PERSUADED TO SPEAK TO LIFTON DESPITE
MARTIN AND HOWARD'S VCAUTIONS, HAVING TRUSTED IN DEBRA CONWAY'S
ADMONITIONS THAT EVEN THOUGH HE COULD BE 'A LITTLE SHIT' HE WAS
WRITING A BOOK THAT HAD POWERFUL SUPPORT FOR THE 'LEE' I WAS
PRESENTING TO THE WORLD. I HOPED VERY MUCH WE COULD SUPPORT EACH
OTHER. I ACTED UPON THE PERSUASION ALSO OF ROBERT CHAPMAN. I NEVER
INITIATED ANYTHING ABOUT LIFTON. 'YOU GUYS' WERE ROBERT CHAPMAN AND
DEBRA CONWAY.==============================

* Then after Lifton posts his account of their conversation, Judyth
decides to counter post but, interestingly enough the thrust of her
complaint isn’t that Lifton lied -- she didn’t cite a single example
-- but that he violated her confidence.

====ON THE CONTRARY, I OBJECTED INDEED THAT HE HAD POSTED UNTRUTHS.
MY CHIEF CONCERN WAS MY SAFETY, AND MY TOP MAFIA CONTACT HAS WITHDRAWN
OVER CONCERNS FOR HER SAFETY, LOSING A VLUABLE SOURCE TO A WITNESS I
NEEDED TO LINE UP. TELLING MY REAL NAME IS WHAT MADE ME MOST ANGRY,
THEN THE DISTORTIONS, THEN THE FACT THAT LIFTON BROKE HIS (CLAY)
WORD.=======

* Most recently, we had a post from someone claiming to be Judyth’s
daughter desperately trying to convince us that Mom never read any
books about Oswald or the assassination... for obvious reasons.
=======IF NONE OF MY FAMILY DEFENDED ME, I WOULD HEAR THAT NONE OF
THEM BELIEVED ME, WHICH WOULD SEEM VERY PECULIAR, INDEED.=========

* Oh. I almost forgot a couple of post from Matt, another Judyth
confidant, with his version of her story (I was a Teenge Cancer
Researcher), which Team Baker has been trying to marginalize ever
since and you, yourself, call “somewhat misleading.”
=======MATT BROUGHT OUT WHO IS HONEST AND WHO IS DIHONEST AMONG THE
NEWSGROUPEES. I'M ASHAMED FOR SOME OF THEM. FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PERSON.
HE HAS NEVER ASKED ONE QUESTION THAT COULD BE ANSWERED, ONLY
ATTACKED.============================================

* Now here you are telling us this discussion is counter productive
and should be terminated forthwith. You sure got it right when you
said no one at Team Baker is “in control.”
====================JGL'S ATTACKS ARE TYPICAL OF "TEAM MCADAMS."
BUT--- HE'S FINALLY RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING----I HAVE NO 'HANDLERS.'
HE FINALLY NOTICED! CONGRATULATIONS, JGL.========

JGL

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Date: 11/6/00 11:25:44 PM Eastern Standard Time
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David Lifton continues to derive an awful lot out of ninety minutes.
He "reconstructs" our conversation, compressing two ongoing threads we
were talking about as if they are only one.....and then posits these:

QUESTIONS FOR MARTIN SHACKELFORD:

1) Did Judyth tell you, as she did me, that she knew Phillips by his
real name, *and* by his alias?

2) Did she tell you that Lee Oswald knew Phillips by his real name,
*and* his alias??

3) If Phillips was involved in a covert operation that involved LHO,
do you think he'd tell him BOTH his alias and his real name?


==Number One: I didn't "know" for sure, I speculated, based on Lee's
having met "Bishop" in Dallas, and all we previously knew. He errs in
thinking i was sure about his real name back then. Since i never met
the man, I could not be certain. My surety is NOW,in the PRESENT,
having seen pictures of the man that were shown to me and knowing who
Phillips was. I was not even aware of his position when the mexico
city affair occurred. I was nevertold anybody's positions and knew
almost no names of possible CIA except a "Harvey" and a "Kennedy"
locally, hard to forget because of the name associations method I used
to remember those names.

===number two: As you know, Lee told me he met a "Bishop" in Dallas.
While he did not say in an equation that "Bishop" and "Phillips" were
the same person, I did understand he meant that both those persons
were his handlers. The last time lee spoke to me, he implied they were
possibly the same person.
David has twisted my statements a little...he also collapses other
things i was saying to make it look like I 'became cheerful"
etc. ...it is alarming to see his creative writing spiel--how did it
take him fifteen years to write his book, when he can crank all this
out so creatively? I hope he is less creative and more acurate in how
he has handled other witnesses.

===hnumber three: Phillips never told Lee his name of Phillips in his
presence, so far as i know...at least, lee never said that. He did
decide that is who it was, a big difference.

Similarly, Danny Penman never really told us his association with
Peter Cox. Hpoward and i eventually, through a painful process,
discovered the relationship, and in the same slow, painful way, Lee
and I speculated and concluded that Bishop and Phillips were possibly
the same person, Lee seemed certaoin of it at the end.
...Lee had never directly met ANYONE named "Phillips." We knew the
name "Phillips" where Lee had overheard it at Reily's, and Lee was
"supposed' to meet him in Mexico City, or his emissary.

Before the mexico City trip, he had gone to dallas and met
"Bishop" but did not know this was Phillips (though I may have ID's
him as Phillips in the book for greater ease of understanding, we
really did not actually know, though we had some good guesses
going)....Perhaps Phillips decided against letting him know who he
really was? At any rate, he was a no-show in mexico City and of
course, it was a very bad time there for Lee. Also, lee was there for
at least one other reason, and I do not know anything about that.

. At the end, Lee said to remember Phillips' name. I do not
believe he even said Bishop and Phillips were the same people, EVEN
THEN.. I came to that conclusion and perhaps Lee did, too, but I do
not think he ever actually equated them in any conversation. It was
our "pretty sure" suspicion.

TO HOWARD: You know the level of suspicion we had with Danny Penman?
It was like that with "Bishop" and "Phillips." We had very good
instincts about it. Enough to decide it was highly probable.
-j-

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Subj: here is Martin's answer --I just found it--and it closely
resembles my own.....
Date: 11/6/00 11:36:10 PM Eastern Standard Time
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If David Lifton wasn't so determined to prove Judyth a fraud, he might
take a more careful approach to the evidence he uses (what little he
uses). But he's too busy trying to ridicule her, and anyone who
believes her account. No way to do research, David.
Incidentally, the latest post sounds an awful lot like a transcript of
a tape recording--did he tape record the call? And was that legal? Did
he tell her that he was recording the call? If it wasn't a recording,
it was VERY good shorthand.
As for the Phillips matter, David screws it up once again. This is no
longer a surprise. It's what happens when no followup questions are
asked, or the few that are asked are based on false assumptions. The
only one quoted here is "How did he know his name, by the way."

When "Phillips didn't show up" (Mexico City), Oswald still knew him
(for sure) only as "Bishop." Reily owners (and Judyth worked for an
executive there) were actively involved in INCA and the anti-Castro
movement. We know from Gordon Novel's deposition (posted on this
newsgroup) that Phillips was using his real name in meetings with some
anti-Castro people in New Orleans. Why would it be so surprising that
someone where Judyth worked (in the executive offices) would know that
Bishop was a name Phillips used?
At no point has anyone suggested that Phillips told Oswald his
alias AND his real name. This is pure assumption on Lifton's part, and
another wrong guess (how long is the list now, David?).
At no point has anyone suggested that Phillips had anything to do
with "employees at the Reily Coffee Co."--it was the owners and some
upper-level executives who were involved with the anti-Castro
movement.

This matter has been cited by Lifton as the "red flag" that proves
Judyth is a fraud. It does no such thing. He makes ignorant
assumptions, draws incorrect conclusions from them, and gets nowhere.
In truth, "There is a near-zero chance that any of [Lifton's
assumptions] has any relationship whatsoever to reality." Stumble on,
David.

Martin

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Subj: David Lifton--have forgotten how many errors he's admitted...and
made...by now
Date: 11/7/00 12:06:16 AM Eastern Standard Time
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At the point when it finally dawns that this story is a complete
fantasy and a fabrication ("corroborated" here and there by well-known
kernals of truth that this woman absorbed from the public record) her
credibility is going to go down the drain, and Martin Shackelford¹s,
along with it, for promoting and supporting this ridiculous story.

This is from an earlier post by David Lifton. here he says that I take
'well-known kernals (sic) of truth that this woman has absorbed from
the public record..."

In today's latest version of what i said (complete with showing my
emotions, as if having emotions discredits me-- doesn;t he see that
his own frantic activity, post after post, reveals emotions on his
part?) -- anyway, today he blasts me for revealing new information.
Same old horns of the dilemma--if they've heard of it before, it's
from the public record that i appropriiated. No matter that the public
record is going to follow a great deal of reality that I can't avoid
mentioning.
BUT--. If it's new, it's an absurd lie.
He jumped to conclusions that Lee knew that "Bishop" and
"Phillips" were for sure the same person. Wish we had been as certain
as Lifton thought we were. We were pretty sure, not the same thing.
It seems my 'fatal flaw" was Lifton's jumping to conclusions once
again.
let's see:

we have these errors so far, admitted by Lifton:

1) length of phone call--changed to conform to my report

2)
had to admit the Queen of Spades was not just an opera but that lee
COULD read the story by Pushkin to me

3) what was the third error he made? I'm too tired to remember.....it
was recent.....

and now this one--
That i said Lee was told by Bishop/Phillips both names. Not so, never
said that.

Mr. Lifton never asked for clarification. So there at last is
another BELL going RINNNGGGGG!
I have to admit Dabid Lifton writes very entertaining scenarios
about Reily Coffee company. this is his second or third one, and they
are really funny. I am beginning to wonder how much else mr. Lifton
writes that is actually pure fiction dressed up via his
interpretation. He is very clever and creative. Goodness! he's an
inspiration! :- )
-j-

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Subj: temple recommends
Date: 11/7/00 1:06:22 AM Eastern Standard Time
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As a Mormon, I was strictly interviewed each year by the ishop, and
THEN by the Stake president, in order to receive my Temple Recommend,
which only the top-performing Mormons obtain. I received my first
temple Recommend in 1971 and the last one the year i asked to be
excommunicated. That was in 1986. My character, actions, personal
life and "honesty"--everything was under a microscopic scrutiny. i
held many importan officies and positions. below happens to be a new
question that has been added the official list of questions asked by
the Bishop to a person seeking the annual renewal of the temple
recommend.

Other questions included such items as "Do you pay a full tithe?" (10%
BEFORE taxes, they keep records but ask anyway--you can;t get inside a
temple without tithing)
Do you drink coffee or tea? " (Even that will condemn you!)

Just thought you'd like to know a little about the strict kind of life
i led so many years, and to giveyou an idea of my relative isolation
from the "gentile" world
"outside..."....Judyth
===========================

Hi All:
> I thought some of you might be interested to know that a new question
> was added to the temple recommend interview. The Feb 2000 "Sunstone"
> said, "...the First Presidency instructed that question twelve (out of
> 14) will now read, "Do you have financial obligations to a former spouse
> or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?"
> It is a good question, but why was it not on the list 25 years ago.
> What took so long? All the LDS always met these obligations and there
> was no need? I doubt it. What happened to the vaunted "discernment" the
> leadership is suppose to have?
> Anyone know when this question was added?
>
> John

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Subj: I NEED A RESPONSE FROM YOU. PLEASE READ THIS. URGENT FROM
JUDYTH.
Date: 11/8/00 10:38:50 AM Eastern Standard Time
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TO ALL:

Matt's attempted to give the truth to our country via the NEWSGROUP
had the expected result: chaos and ugliness, with many distortions of
facts so that any honest reader would be confused.
I DO WANT THIS MATTER BROUGHT OUT, BUT IN AN ORDERLY MANNER.

1) Good news: Four people have privately sent emails asking for more
information. I have tried to answer some of their questions. They
are, basically, not replying very much--that's not good. I would have
wished they would telephone me, meet me, see the evidence. otherwise,
they will be like Robert Harris-- getting a portion of the story, but
not seeing the evidence, etc. too many questions pop up which could
have been answered quickly, had we been in person. OR they may go the
way of David Lifton---having never met me, seen the evidence, or asked
enough questions, they think they've seen enough, nevertheless, to
come to conclusions that may be hasty.
THIS UNDERSCORES THE PROBLEM: PEOPLE DO CARE, BUT DON'T HAVE FINANCESA
OR TIME TO COME TO ME. AND IT WEARS ME OUT, IT IS A TWO DAY PROCESS TO
TELL ALL.

2) THE OUTLINE: has helped. BUT it has advantages and disadvantages:
Some of you have received outlines. Just as Matt's "outline" leaves a
lot out, so does the beautifully organized outline Howard has made
(though of course it at least has some supporting statements).
Originally, the outline was to help somebody who wanted to interview
me. It was a guide.

3) In order to free the book from Peter Cox, we need publicity that
will overwhelm his threats and claims. We need interviews in media--
TV, radio, etc. where I can answer questions freely. Then there will
be a demand for the book and people will come forward to defend me
from mr. Cox.

4) I have an alternative: take this to my grave. It has been very
panful to observe the contortions of my statements and the denigration
of my character on the newsgroiup.A;lmost all of these people have
never thought to interview me, visit me, see the evidence. Yet had
they asked, they would have been welcome. This closed mind attitude is
deadly.
My original be;ief was that I had no chance of being fairly
treated. I felt I could not fight 'the establishment" as I knew it.
I still believe it is impossible to get a fair hearing without
a major media exposure, where enough people will see and hear to give
me a base of support . IF i get a chance to speak up, a base of
public interest will be generated so that the book can be published
DESPITE Mr. Peter Cox's threats.

5) Do you think I should get that chance to be heard, or not?

6) If you do, I URGE you to write major media news NOW. I wpould
like you to write a note to Barbara Walters and send it to Howard, who
has a contact who can reach her. I also ask you to simply let
entities such as NBC and SABC know about my existence.


WE HAD AN EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT WITH SIXTY MINUTES. FOUR TIMES IN
FOURTEEN MONTHS, THEY INVESTIGATED ME. THREE TIMES THEY SET ME UP TO
BE FILMED AND THEN BACKED OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE. THERE WERE VARIOUS
REASONS: SHOVING IT ALL INTO A THIRTEEN MINUTE SLOT WAS THE MOST CITED
ONE. A MAJOR INVESTIGATOR THEY HIRED IS STILL ON THE CASE. OBVIOUSLY,
PETER COX'S THREATS TO THEM WERE ALSO OF CONCERN. JUST SEE THE FILM
'THE INSIDER.'

THE EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT MEANT NO OTHER NEWS SERVICE OR NEWSPAPER, ETC.
COULD PUT THE STORY OUT. US WORLD & NEWS REPORT HAS BEEN PREPARING A
STORY ON ME FOR SOME TIME, BUT BY A REPORTER WHO SUPPORTS POSNER.

IF YOU WANT ME TO HAVE A CHANCE-- IF YOU WANT THE BOOK FREE FROM MR.
PETER CONX'S CLAWS, WE NEED TO GENERATE ENOUGH INTEREST TO MAKE
PUBLISHERS NOT AFRAID TO PUBLISH IT ANYWAY. THIS IS BEST DONE THROUGH
MEDIA EXPOSURE THAT I EVEN EXIST. SO FAR, ALMOST NOBODY KNOWS OF MY
EXISTENCE. WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO MAKE SURE OF THAT.

THE NEWSGROUP, THOUGH, HAS NOW BEEN SAYING SOME VICIOUS THINGS ABOUT
ME. I DO NOT WANT THE BOOK'S CHANCES DESTROYED--SOMETHING MR. LIFTON
DOES WANT, HOWEVER, AS HIS BOOK IS COMING OUT IN THE SPRING, AND MY
BOOK WOULD MAKE HIS OBSOLETE.

IF YOU CARE, I URGE YOU TO CNTACT MAJOR NEWS ORGANIZATIONS. AND TO
WRITE A NOTE TO BARBARA WALTERS AND SEND IT TO ho...@aol.com.

I still believe our country would want this information.
I do not believe the newsgroup is the proper format.
There will emerge some better format if you help me.

My alternative is to have a press conference, but that is like hiring
the newsgroup to release a "fair" story. I don;t think a press
conference would fairly report the matter--it would take too much
research. but a forum such as Barbara walters would allow enough time
to present evidence and to speak out without interruption.

I ask that you respond, if you think the information I have should be
released to our country or not.
I won't ask for any of you to fo this again.

Thank you.

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Subj: From start-- to finish. Background info and asking for your
input.
Date: 11/8/00 2:53:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
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To All:

THIS IS HOW IT BEGAN

1) Originally, I had a good agent. I was persuaded by Mr. Peter Cox
that HE would be a better agent, because he was "international," and
"multimedia."

2) He presented the book just a few weeks after receiving it to new
York. Forbade me to contact anyone to support it, saying it must not
become known who I was. Placed lies about me to hide my whereabouts,
etc. Pllayed cloak-and-daggar games.

3) I at that time had not even found my witnesses, for which I had
moved to Louisiana to find. I had barely written the book, and the
draft I put out had only to do with what i could prove until I could
find witnesses, although i had a complete draft of the book in my
possession with many additional facts and details.which i was afraid
to reveal because i was afraid, in particular, that Ochsner family
would sue me.

4) Mr. Cox told me that in a few weeks the book would be in the hands
of a publisher who would give me an advance, and then I would have
time to find my witnesses and to expand the book to its original
dimensions.

5) Mr. Cox then took me -- a totally unknown person---all over New
York with a raw book, to places such as Time-Life, which were even
hostile, but curious to meet me. I did not understand the politics,
and neither did Mr. Cox. We were basically told to return with a
better book-- by those who were not outright hostile--- who can blame
these publishers?

6) I went to my professor at the University (after trying to go to a
newspaper reporter, who did not even give me forty-five minutes). I
asked for advice and guidance and began telling him what had happened.
He also got a copy of the first, truncated version of the book. Later,
when I trusted him much more, and before anybody else ever saw it, I
gave him an expanded version, but only orally told him about things
later shared with others (that I was afraid would not be believed).

7) I saw that Howard Platzman and Martin Shackelford, Matt Allison,
Riobert Harris, and Karl Vissars were honest people, so far as I could
tell, as I lurking on the internet, and these people began receiving
emails from me, beginning with the first two mentioned and then with
Harris.


SIXTY MINUTES

The reason there has been no "media interest" is because we have
kept my existence a secret for a year and a half, as the exclusive
story for ONLY Sixty Minutes.

1) Sixty Minutes is the ONLY media we have formally approached.

2) As it was an exclusive deal, we were to tell nobody else anything
so they could break it to the world. They backed out, altogether,
four different times, for a variety of reasons.

3) I have been intensely questioned for hours by a number of seasoned
Sixty Minute personnel and main characyters, including Mike Wallace.
They all believe me.,However, how to compress the story into a
thirteen minute segment, and how to get enough solid evidence to find
the smoking gun has proven impossible.

4) Why my being Lee Oswald's lover is not sufficient reason for a 13
minute segment is beyoind me. I have proven this to everyone's
satiusfaction who has seen the evidence and interviewed me
sufficiently. but they want the whole thing solved. I can't do that.
Though I have offered important leads never known before, which has
turned up some new evidence.

4) Witnesses: I have to say that I was not happy that Sixty Minutes
did not interview my star witness, nor Adele Edisen, nor Gaeton Fonzi
(Veciana-Phillips), nor Tony Summers. All of them could have given
what I have to say much additional support.

5) But they DID interview my former husband, a man who once told a
judge he regretted I was ever born, because "she destroyed the
eternal souls of my noble children, born under the Holy and
Everlasting Covenant, by leading them astray with abominable
heresies." (I dared to tell them that Mormonism was NOT the ONLY true
church, etc.) (Only one of the five children is currently a Mormon.)
this man sued me six times. Of what use was he to them? I was also
unhappy that Mary Ferrell was not interviewed. Ferrell knows things
about me.

6) I do not blame their producer--Peter Klein---he is a very good
man. I trust him all the way to do what is right.

7) But I believe Mr. Cox influenced Sixty Minutes, since I was told
he 'threatened Sixty Minutes" but that their lawyers were "ignoring
his threats." This happened twice, and both times ended with Sixty
Minutes withdrawing. No matter that this story would galvanize
America.

8) We keep finding more evidence. In the past, Sixty Minutes came back
three additional times. They might even do it again, as recently we
have come up with three more pieces of evidence. And the endorsement
is available of a very important researcher who would go on record. it
was the big credibility factor. but now this person may never be
recorded on film as supporting me, though this person KNOWS I was
Lee's lover from proof I did spply that has been verified.

9) In at least two instances I did not do as well on interviews as
well as i wish I had, with their experts. But I have passed a number
of other interviews of theirs, with other experts they have provided,
one of whom was asked for six months to get in on this case. He has
found a great deal of supporting evidence for my story and has not
stopped investigating me, even though Sixrty Minutes has once again
withdrawn from the story., and even though he is now paying for it out
of his own pocket. This man said of the two interviews that I did not
do well on, at Sixry Minutes, that they were not properly done.dence I
brought with me. He obviously thought I was just a story-teller, and
that hurt my feelings.

10) In conclusionl, I came through fourteen months being more
believed than disbelieved, at Sixty Minutes.

I do not expect always to be believed, or that all medical experts
will agree with me. I have had other psychiatrists who were pleased
enough with my mental processes to actually hire me after I got tested
(Dr. H. james stuart of Hauser Clinic in Houston hired me after I took
a series of mental exams there, including an MMPI and a TAT test).

I've been trained in counseling enough to lknow that you should
always get more than one opinion in any controversial matter. So an
occasional difficulty doesn't upset. What does harm is not having a
chance to defend myself. i cannot defend myself on the newsgroup
because mr. Cox would sue me. So you have received emnails clarifying
the issues at hand.

THE SECOND RTOUND OF TRYING TO SELL THE BOOK
In spring 2000,
Mr. Cox dragged Howard, my co-author, to another round of New York
publishers.
This one had better success. St. Martin's Press almost took the
book.
but even so, in the end, two problems went wrong: one, Sixty
Minutes canceled again, which gave publishers cold feet (later sixty
Minutes came back for time NUmber Four, but too late to save face with
the book).
Secondly, mr. Cox had complicated contracts and they breathed of
lawsuits and problems should anybody step too hard to left or right.
Thirdly, mr. Cox was asking for a HUGE (million dollar range)
advance.
And finally, the book, it turned out, had materials added to it
by Mr. Cox. Its title had also bee changed from DEADLY ALLIANCE to TO
KILL A PRESIDENT. Without my knowledge or permission. Inside the
book, there were also some additions that did not belong, and which
made the book suspicious sounding. Howard did not, nor did I, get a
chance to see these additions added by mr. Cox-- howard saw them only
the very day the book was to be presented--and the publishers had the
book days before that, and by now had seen these additions.

it was not the book it should have been.


And it got rejected again.

TODAY

======


We are now back at Square One --- and I need advice and guidance.

I feel a moral obligation to finish what has been begun, having made
this decision last July to endure whatever necessary .

An organization called "Writers Beware" is going to help us fight Mr.
Cox, and I think soon he'll be out of the picture.

How DOES one "come forth" and speak of these things? I do NOT want to
go to National Enquirer, which would run it front page immediately---
IF they got the story.

I would rather stay financially constrained than give the story a bad
start. The fact that nothing has happened since the newsgroup got the
story except for the fact that I get harrassing telephone calls proves
the newsgroup isn;'t being read at all by the media. I can guess
where these nasty calls are possibly coming from.

It is sad that i have to leave my computer on constantly so as not to
receive hang-up calls at one, two, three and four o clock in the
morning, one after another. And that they vcan twist the truth and
make fun of what is potentially a very explosive and shocking story
that would hit like a bombshell onto the american public.

it is now up to you to get the truth before the people. We think an
hour-long spontaneous talk show might be enough time to bring out the
story--without interruptions from the likes of a Posner type to
distract . I need a polace to stand.

I am giving Sixty Minutes a little bit of time--also CBS--to think
about all of this, as they have put so much effort and money into it
and have treated me very kindly. But the person who will endorse me
soon may not have another opportunity to do so--and time is running
out to get this endorsement. So i must move quickly, if CBS ddoes
not.

Your suggestions as to what to do next are appreciated.

Sincerely,

Judyth Vary Baker

you may direct correspondence until end of year to:
University of Louisiana
Dept. of english
Lafayette, LA 70508

(c/o Ann Underwood)

After that, I may just disappear fort another thirty-five years, and
let this come out over time, as it surely will in the end.

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Dave

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