Oswald left handed shooter
Danny Stommels
and red that Oswald was left handed. His rifle was a right handside
bolt action Carcano. So, to fire a new shot he has to use his right
hand to load a new round and by doing so he could not support his
rifle anymore. So I think it is almost impossible to fire 3 bullets in
such a short period of time. Also, how many times had Oswald practised
shooting after he left the marines? If my information is correct, he
placed that rifle with friends a few weeks before the assassination. A
marksman need practice. Another, maybe silly, question is where did he
buy the bullets for that rifle?
Thanks in advance for the replies.
claviger
When LHO was arrested in the movie theater he struck the police officer
with his left fist and grabbed his pistol with his right hand.
bigdog
I don't know what your point is. Yes, the bolt action would have to be
operated with the right hand and to do so, one would have to take the
right hand off the trigger. So what. Bolt action rifles were used in
such a manner by hundreds of thousands of soldiers from WWI through
Vietnam. It has been demonstrated numerous times that the Carcano
rifle could be fired 3 times in under 6 seconds, even though Oswald
likely took over 8 seconds to fire his three shots. The shots Oswald
fired were not that difficult and his precision was not all that
great. Targeting the head and upper torso of a man from less than 90
yards, he hit his target twice in three shots and the two shots which
hit the target were spaced about a foot apart. That kind of shooting
wins you the booby prize in your local turkey shoot. In the Marines,
Oswald trained and qualified at ranges of 200 yards and up and without
the aid of a scope and fired with greater precision than he
demonstrated in DP on 11/22/63. But like you say, he was a little
rusty. It wasn't great shooting but got the job done. A really skilled
sniper would have taken out JFK with one shot at that range.
I don't know where you got your information that Oswald gave his rifle
to friends. I don't even know of any friends Oswald had. He was a
loner.
The bullets were made by the Western Cartridge Company and no one
knows where he bought the bullets because records of ammunition
purchases were not kept then nor are they kept now, at least not in
Texas.
Dave B. C.
Interesting... but note in the famous backyard photo that LHO has a
pistol holstered on his RIGHT hip.
jas
If he used his left hand to work the bolt, he could have easily rested
the stock on the boxes perched in front of the window.
Having the firing experience he had, he could have also used his right
hand to work the bolt. Just because someone is considered "left" or
"right" handed doesn't automatically cancel out the use of the
opposite hand.
Anthony Marsh
Yes, all silly questions. Tis the season.
Almost every left-hander learns to shoot right handed. Very few are rich
enough to have left-handed rifles made especially for them. In the
Marines Oswald learned to shoot right handed.
No one knows where Oswald bought the WCC ammo. Some suspect a gun shop
owner named Mason but he denied it. It wasn't like every mom and pop
store on every corner sold the WCC ammo. Some mail order companies sold it.
geovulture
This is fairly typical for most lefties, as there are not nearly as
many left handed bolt action rifles available. If you are firing from
a gun rest, as Oswald would have been, it isn't that difficult. Being
left handed with a right handed bolt actually allows the shooter to
keep their finger on the trigger the whole time while operating the
bolt with the other hand. My father has shot this way his whole life
and can do it easily and quickly. It isn't as easy without a rest
(standing, kneeling, etc), as he has to support the rifle with his
left while he operates the bolt with his right, but he can still do
even that fairly quickly.
bigdog
wrote:
I believe I have seen a photo of Oswald firing a rifle in the USMC and
if my memory is correct, he was firing right handed.
Pat Speer
His mom said he was left-handed, but his brother Robert said she was
mistaking Lee for himself, and that HE was the one who was left handed.
This was confirmed by Lee's wife Marina, and his half-brother John.
Even so, some have ventured that his being left-handed would have been an
advantage, and my research on sniping says this is true. A left- handed
shooter would almost certainly be "left-eye dominant" and have a distinct
advantage over a right-eye dominant shooter when tracking a car from left
to right, as in Dealey Plaza.
tomnln
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that IS A FULL SIZE HOLSTER (FOR A 6 INCH BARREL)
Oswald REPORTEDLY HAD A 2 INCH BARREL WITH A SMALL HOLSTER..
tomnln
A LEFT HANDED SHOOTER. VOLUME XXV PAGE 799.
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tomnln
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On Nov 22, 5:35 pm, "Dave B. C." <davidbriancampb...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Nov 22, 10:50 am, Danny Stommels <danny.stomm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, I just started reading some documents about the JFK assassination
> > and red that Oswald was left handed. His rifle was a right handside
> > bolt action Carcano. So, to fire a new shot he has to use his right
> > hand to load a new round and by doing so he could not support his
> > rifle anymore. So I think it is almost impossible to fire 3 bullets in
> > such a short period of time. Also, how many times had Oswald practised
> > shooting after he left the marines? If my information is correct, he
> > placed that rifle with friends a few weeks before the assassination. A
> > marksman need practice. Another, maybe silly, question is where did he
> > buy the bullets for that rifle?
> > Thanks in advance for the replies.
>
> Interesting... but note in the famous backyard photo that LHO has a
> pistol holstered on his RIGHT hip.
OSWALD WAS INDEED RIGHT-HANDED.
Jean Davison
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Photos indicate he was right-handed, Danny.
Here's Oswald in New Orleans, handing out leaftets.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/art/cronp5.jpg
Whenever he's seen wearing a watch, it's on his left wrist, where
most righties wear them:
http://elementaryteacher.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/oswald-and-wife-marina-in-minsk.jpg
Firing a rifle in the Marines, FWIW:
http://elementaryteacher.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/oswald-in-the-marine-corps.jpg
Jean
Anthony Marsh
None of those are proof. As I said before almost all lefties learn how
to shoot right-handed.
The watch? Kinda meaningless.
Handing out leaflets? One off. Not a pattern.
Anthony Marsh
So what? As I said before almost all lefties learn to shoot
right-handed, because almost all rifles are made right handed.
Anthony Marsh
Meaningless.
Anthony Marsh
Do the handwriting experts say that Oswald wrote left-handed or
right-handed?
Anthony Marsh
> On Nov 22, 9:50 am, Danny Stommels<danny.stomm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I just started reading some documents about the JFK assassination
>> and red that Oswald was left handed. His rifle was a right handside
>> bolt action Carcano. So, to fire a new shot he has to use his right
>> hand to load a new round and by doing so he could not support his
>> rifle anymore. So I think it is almost impossible to fire 3 bullets in
>> such a short period of time. Also, how many times had Oswald practised
>> shooting after he left the marines? If my information is correct, he
>> placed that rifle with friends a few weeks before the assassination. A
>> marksman need practice. Another, maybe silly, question is where did he
>> buy the bullets for that rifle?
>> Thanks in advance for the replies.
>
> This is fairly typical for most lefties, as there are not nearly as
> many left handed bolt action rifles available. If you are firing from
Good point. Oswald could have bought a left handed rifle for about $2000
and you WC defenders would not have been the least bit suspicious about
how he could afford that on his unemployment check. In fact you Tea Party
guys would cite that as a reason why we should cut off all unemployment
and give the money to David Kock.
> a gun rest, as Oswald would have been, it isn't that difficult. Being
> left handed with a right handed bolt actually allows the shooter to
> keep their finger on the trigger the whole time while operating the
> bolt with the other hand. My father has shot this way his whole life
> and can do it easily and quickly. It isn't as easy without a rest
> (standing, kneeling, etc), as he has to support the rifle with his
> left while he operates the bolt with his right, but he can still do
> even that fairly quickly.
>
And it's even easier for a lefty to just buy a dependable semi-automatic
rifle like the M-1 which can easily be shot left handed.
Anthony Marsh
Interesting, but not conclusive.
Anthony Marsh
You're right there. George DeMohrenschildt was not a friend, only a CIA
contact.
> The bullets were made by the Western Cartridge Company and no one
> knows where he bought the bullets because records of ammunition
> purchases were not kept then nor are they kept now, at least not in
> Texas.
Records were kept then, but no one admits to selling Oswald the ammo.
Not many stores had that brand in stock.
claviger
Danny,
Marina testified he did practice with the rifle in various places, one
being near Love Field. She said he would sometimes pick a rainy day so he
could wear a long raincoat to hide the rifle on the bus. He also
practiced dry firing the rifle which annoyed Marina when he would do it on
the coach. She made him go out on the porch when doing that repetitive
exercise. The MC rifle was known to have a loose, therefore fast bolt
action. Several shooters have been able to recycle the bolt quick enough
to get off three shots in 6 seconds. However some researchers now believe
the actual time frame was 8-10 seconds.
claviger
Make that "couch", not coach.
Anthony Marsh
Well, why not keep moving up the available time? If you think 6 seconds
is not enough time, don't just stop at 10 seconds. Try to get away with
claiming 20 seconds.
Coondog
True, most lefties had to adapt to shooting a right hand bolt gun.
However, Remington has long produced a left hand version of their BDL
700 at a moderate price. The Weatherby rifles have long had a left
hand version although at a higher price.
Bill Clarke
tomnln
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tomnln
MARSH's EFFORT TO SAVE THE WCR LIES IS LAUGHABLE ! ! !
Brokedad
> "bigdog" <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
As I have repeatedly stated, far too many times to count, the military
services virtually insisted that one fire the M-1 Garand with a "right-
handed" firing position.
To do otherwise was to invite the ejected cartridge to strike one in
the right eye!
There are actually those who have experienced "eye injuries" from
having fired the Garand from the "left-handed" firing position.
tomnln
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Danny,
great THAT WC suppoters disagree with the wCR's 4.8to7 seconds.
tomnln
NOW TELL US WHAT VOLUME/PAGE WE CAN FIND THOSE STATEMENTS BY MARINA ? ? ? ?
Anthony Marsh
And as I said you WC defenders would not have been suspicious in the
least if Oswald had bought a left-handed rifle for $2000 while on
unemployment. You'd just claim that he was a thrift saver.
bigdog
Not surprising at all. The M-1 was a semiautomatic designed to fire a
powerful .30-06 round, originally developed for the bolt action
Springfield rifle. As such, the spent shell would eject forcefully on the
right hand side. If the shooter was firing left handed, his face would be
on the side of the ejecting cartridge so it would only be prudent to fire
the weapon from the right shoulder, putting one's face on the left side of
the rifle, away from the ejecting shell. It's a right hand world as just
about any lefty can tell you. I'm sure firing an M-1 was not the first
time that the lefties had to adjust to something designed to be operated
by a right handed person.
Anthony Marsh
Sure. Prudent. So prove it by showing us the ejection pattern of an M-1
and how close it gets to the right eye.
claviger
Is there any doubt at this point that LHO was not left-handed? Didn't
his brother Robert confirm he was right-handed? When jumped by the
police in the theater he instinctively grabbed his pistol with his
right hand.
jas
> Hi, I just started reading some documents about the JFK assassination
> and red that Oswald was left handed. His rifle was a right handside
> bolt action Carcano. So, to fire a new shot he has to use his right
> hand to load a new round and by doing so he could not support his
> rifle anymore. So I think it is almost impossible to fire 3 bullets in
> such a short period of time. Also, how many times had Oswald practised
> shooting after he left the marines? If my information is correct, he
> placed that rifle with friends a few weeks before the assassination. A
> marksman need practice. Another, maybe silly, question is where did he
> buy the bullets for that rifle?
> Thanks in advance for the replies.
Paul McCartney is a left-handed bass player. When he was killed in
that car crash, we all knew "they" used an impostor because the new
Paul played a right-handed bass.
:>)
bigdog
> "claviger" <historiae.fi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Tom, you ought to brush up on what the WCR said about the shooting
sequence. They concluded that the shots were fired in 4.8 to 5.6 seconds
if and only if the second shot missed. The came to no conclusion as to
which of the three shots missed. The final sentence of the Conclusions
paragraph states "... that the three shots were fired in a time period
ranging from approximately 4.8 to IN EXCESS of 7 seconds.". Leaving out
the words "in excess" completely changes their meaning, but I'm sure that
was just an accident on your part and not an attempt to deceive the
readers. As it stands, the belief that the shooting sequence was over a
span of 8-10 seconds is completely compatible with "in excess of 7
seconds".
bigdog
Yes I believe he was right handed. The backyard photos show his pistol
holstered on his right hip, the natural position for a righty.
A word of caution about drawing such a conclusion from a photo. For many
years it was believed Billy the Kid was left handed because of a photo he
posed for which showed his holster on his left hip. That was accepted for
a long time until one astute observer noticed that his Winchester rifle
had the receiver on the left side, and no Winchester had been made with
the receiver on the left, therefore it was clear that photo had been
flipped. Billy the Kid was a righty.
Anthony Marsh
Does it make any difference at all? No. Only because some wackos falsely
claimed that his scope was mounted for a lefty. Otherwise it makes
absolutely no difference.
tomnln
THAT REPORT WAS PRINTED IN VOLUME XXV PAGE 799.
Anthony Marsh
I hate to break this to you, but Oswald was cheap. He bought that holster
at a cheap Army/Navy store. It is designed to be worn on the right side of
the body because 90% of the users are right handed. Standard military
issue does not make special left-handed versions, only right-handed.
Anthony Marsh
Yes, so is three days.
In other words they said nothing.
tomnln
Where's the PROOF that Oswald bought that holder from a cheap Army/Navy
store ? ? ?
WHY would he buy a holster for a 6 inch barrel when he already had a
holster for a 2 inch barrel?
SEE>>> http://www.whokilledjfk.net/damage_control.htm
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tomnln
It was for a pistol with a 2 inch barrel.
SEE>>> http://www.whokilledjfk.net/damage_control.htm
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Anthony Marsh
> Hey Marsh;
>
> Where's the PROOF that Oswald bought that holder from a cheap Army/Navy
> store ? ? ?
>
Lattimer.
> WHY would he buy a holster for a 6 inch barrel when he already had a
> holster for a 2 inch barrel?
>
Show me the other holster. Maybe it didn't come on a belt.
Was he wearing that holster when he was arrested? Maybe if you knew
somebody who has the WC volumes you could ask him what the CE number is.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0269b.htm
tomnln
> On 11/25/2010 12:45 PM, tomnln wrote:
>> Hey Marsh;
>>
>> Where's the PROOF that Oswald bought that holder from a cheap Army/Navy
>> store ? ? ?
>>
>
> Lattimer.
>
Lattimer also said he had Manlicher-Carcano with serial number 2766...
so much for your QUACK SOURCE ! ! !
Anthony Marsh
>
> "Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:4ceed557$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
>> On 11/25/2010 12:45 PM, tomnln wrote:
>>> Hey Marsh;
>>>
>>> Where's the PROOF that Oswald bought that holder from a cheap Army/Navy
>>> store ? ? ?
>>>
>>
>> Lattimer.
>>
> HOHOHOHO
>
> Lattimer also said he had Manlicher-Carcano with serial number 2766...
> so much for your QUACK SOURCE ! ! !
>
He admitted that he was wrong about that. But I am not citing him as
having made the discovery. Just that he included it in his book.
Brokedad
>
> - Show quoted text -
Finally! The sound of reason.
I personally know an individual who suffers limited "right eye"
damage, as well as collecting a small pension from the army from
having fired the Garand left-handed and thereafter suffering eye
damage from the ejected cartridge.
Of course, old age and the fact that I once served in the Mississippi
National Guard, which had the M1-Garand, also helps in the
understanding of some things.
Another "old"/now deceased tidbit of shooter knowledge ( Gerry
Hemming ), and I used to discuss this aspect of the Garand frequently,
as he was also fully aware of its potential injury to the shooter.
Nevertheless, LHO was a SUPERIOR shooter when shooting the M-1 Garand
from the right-handed firing position.
beckra...@gmail.com
> Hi, I just started reading some documents about the JFK assassination
> and red that Oswald was left handed. His rifle was a right handside
> bolt action Carcano. So, to fire a new shot he has to use his right
> hand to load a new round and by doing so he could not support his
> rifle anymore. So I think it is almost impossible to fire 3 bullets in
> such a short period of time. Also, how many times had Oswald practised
> shooting after he left the marines? If my information is correct, he
> placed that rifle with friends a few weeks before the assassination. A
> marksman need practice. Another, maybe silly, question is where did he
> buy the bullets for that rifle?
> Thanks in advance for the replies.
been very difficult to fire any bullets accurately. Even if he could
somehow adjust by seeing where the first bullet missed, that first bullet
didn't hit anything and Oswald wouldn't have known where to adjust from.
James Files said he shot JFK from the grassy knoll, hitting JFK near the
ear, with a mercury laced bullet explaining the way it exploded. Roscoe
White's diary showed he shot JFK from behind the picket fence. White
served in the marines with Oswald at 3 different duty stations. White
worked with Tippet and said Tippet was supposed to kill Oswald but
chickened out, so White shot Tippet. White is the "Badgeman." Malcolm
Wallace's prints show up in the 6th floor of the Texas Depository.
Wallace, White, and Files were all professional hit men working for LBJ,
the CIA and the Mafia. When the Soviet archives opened up on the fall of
the Soviet Union, Russia revealed its files on Oswald, showing Oswald was
a poor shot. He did get "marksman" in the marines, but that's the minimum
needed to be a marine. Most replications of the 3 bullet shots failed to
hit the target in 6 seconds, even with an accurate zeroed scope.
Jason Burke
bigdog
Anthony Marsh
> On Monday, November 22, 2010 at 10:50:50 AM UTC-5, Danny Stommels wrote:
>> Hi, I just started reading some documents about the JFK assassination
>> and red that Oswald was left handed. His rifle was a right handside
>> bolt action Carcano. So, to fire a new shot he has to use his right
>> hand to load a new round and by doing so he could not support his
>> rifle anymore. So I think it is almost impossible to fire 3 bullets in
>> such a short period of time. Also, how many times had Oswald practised
>> shooting after he left the marines? If my information is correct, he
>> placed that rifle with friends a few weeks before the assassination. A
>> marksman need practice. Another, maybe silly, question is where did he
>> buy the bullets for that rifle?
>> Thanks in advance for the replies.
>
> Whether he was right or left handed, the scope was off, and it would have
> been very difficult to fire any bullets accurately. Even if he could
> somehow adjust by seeing where the first bullet missed, that first bullet
> didn't hit anything and Oswald wouldn't have known where to adjust from.
> James Files said he shot JFK from the grassy knoll, hitting JFK near the
> ear, with a mercury laced bullet explaining the way it exploded. Roscoe
Do you even know what an explosive bullet is?
The Files story was a hoax. I talked to Vernon and he admitted that he
had fallen for the hoax.
> White's diary showed he shot JFK from behind the picket fence. White
> served in the marines with Oswald at 3 different duty stations. White
> worked with Tippet and said Tippet was supposed to kill Oswald but
> chickened out, so White shot Tippet. White is the "Badgeman." Malcolm
> Wallace's prints show up in the 6th floor of the Texas Depository.
> Wallace, White, and Files were all professional hit men working for LBJ,
> the CIA and the Mafia. When the Soviet archives opened up on the fall of
> the Soviet Union, Russia revealed its files on Oswald, showing Oswald was
> a poor shot. He did get "marksman" in the marines, but that's the minimum
> needed to be a marine. Most replications of the 3 bullet shots failed to
> hit the target in 6 seconds, even with an accurate zeroed scope.
>
>
mainframetech
> > Hi, I just started reading some documents about the JFK assassination
> > and red that Oswald was left handed. His rifle was a right handside
> > bolt action Carcano. So, to fire a new shot he has to use his right
> > hand to load a new round and by doing so he could not support his
> > rifle anymore. So I think it is almost impossible to fire 3 bullets in
> > such a short period of time. Also, how many times had Oswald practised
> > shooting after he left the marines? If my information is correct, he
> > placed that rifle with friends a few weeks before the assassination. A
> > marksman need practice. Another, maybe silly, question is where did he
> > buy the bullets for that rifle?
> > Thanks in advance for the replies.
>
failed. They also looked for a place where Oswald practiced but couldn't
find that either.
> Whether he was right or left handed, the scope was off, and it would have
> been very difficult to fire any bullets accurately. Even if he could
> somehow adjust by seeing where the first bullet missed, that first bullet
> didn't hit anything and Oswald wouldn't have known where to adjust from.
> James Files said he shot JFK from the grassy knoll, hitting JFK near the
> ear, with a mercury laced bullet explaining the way it exploded. Roscoe
> White's diary showed he shot JFK from behind the picket fence. White
> served in the marines with Oswald at 3 different duty stations. White
> worked with Tippet and said Tippet was supposed to kill Oswald but
> chickened out, so White shot Tippet. White is the "Badgeman." Malcolm
> Wallace's prints show up in the 6th floor of the Texas Depository.
> Wallace, White, and Files were all professional hit men working for LBJ,
> the CIA and the Mafia. When the Soviet archives opened up on the fall of
> the Soviet Union, Russia revealed its files on Oswald, showing Oswald was
> a poor shot. He did get "marksman" in the marines, but that's the minimum
> needed to be a marine. Most replications of the 3 bullet shots failed to
> hit the target in 6 seconds, even with an accurate zeroed scope.
firing into Dealey Plaza and waste time putting the scope back on the
rifle before hiding it among the pallet of book boxes?
How do you know the first bullet fired from the window was the one
that missed? How did you know that ANY of the bullets hit or hurt anyone?
Chris
claviger
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5005cf71e4b059c85b977f11/t/56520419e4b0a376ef81d7d3/1448215578410/?format=750w
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/77/ad/76/77ad76f6f769c316d4fe43927620b1b4.jpg
In his first Marine Quals he scored Sharpshooter.
Commission Document 81 - AG Texas Letter with attachments dated 07 Jan 1964
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=602
Second time through Quals Marksman. By then he had GASSTA.
What are the the most important requirements for a USMC marksmanship
badge?
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-the-most-important-requirements-for-a-USMC-marksmanship-badge
Was or was not Lee Harvey Oswald an expert marksman?
https://www.quora.com/Was-or-was-not-Lee-Harvey-Oswald-an-expert-marksman
JFK Assassination (November 1963): How difficult was the shot taken by Lee Harvey Oswald?
Stock Photo - Warren Commission exhibit. Gun used by Lee Harvey Oswald to
assassinate of President John Kennedy. It was a Mannlicher-Carcano
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/D18JTN/warren-commission-exhibit-gun-used-by-lee-harvey-oswald-to-assassinate-D18JTN.jpg
Anthony Marsh
NOw all of a sudden you aren't so proud of it.
>
bigdog
> On Saturday, June 17, 2017 at 9:43:23 AM UTC-4, beckra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, November 22, 2010 at 10:50:50 AM UTC-5, Danny Stommels wrote:
> > > Hi, I just started reading some documents about the JFK assassination
> > > and red that Oswald was left handed. His rifle was a right handside
> > > bolt action Carcano. So, to fire a new shot he has to use his right
> > > hand to load a new round and by doing so he could not support his
> > > rifle anymore. So I think it is almost impossible to fire 3 bullets in
> > > such a short period of time. Also, how many times had Oswald practised
> > > shooting after he left the marines? If my information is correct, he
> > > placed that rifle with friends a few weeks before the assassination. A
> > > marksman need practice. Another, maybe silly, question is where did he
> > > buy the bullets for that rifle?
> > > Thanks in advance for the replies.
> >
>
>
> The FBI tried to find the place where the bullets were bought and
> failed. They also looked for a place where Oswald practiced but couldn't
> find that either.
>
actually be a record of his ammo purchases or his practice sessions. I've
got a closet full of ammo. I'll bet the FBI could never find out where I
bought any of it if they needed to.
>
>
> > Whether he was right or left handed, the scope was off, and it would have
> > been very difficult to fire any bullets accurately. Even if he could
> > somehow adjust by seeing where the first bullet missed, that first bullet
> > didn't hit anything and Oswald wouldn't have known where to adjust from.
> > James Files said he shot JFK from the grassy knoll, hitting JFK near the
> > ear, with a mercury laced bullet explaining the way it exploded. Roscoe
> > White's diary showed he shot JFK from behind the picket fence. White
> > served in the marines with Oswald at 3 different duty stations. White
> > worked with Tippet and said Tippet was supposed to kill Oswald but
> > chickened out, so White shot Tippet. White is the "Badgeman." Malcolm
> > Wallace's prints show up in the 6th floor of the Texas Depository.
> > Wallace, White, and Files were all professional hit men working for LBJ,
> > the CIA and the Mafia. When the Soviet archives opened up on the fall of
> > the Soviet Union, Russia revealed its files on Oswald, showing Oswald was
> > a poor shot. He did get "marksman" in the marines, but that's the minimum
> > needed to be a marine. Most replications of the 3 bullet shots failed to
> > hit the target in 6 seconds, even with an accurate zeroed scope.
>
>
>
> How do you know the scope was off? And why would a shooter stop after
> firing into Dealey Plaza and waste time putting the scope back on the
> rifle before hiding it among the pallet of book boxes?
>
> How do you know the first bullet fired from the window was the one
> that missed? How did you know that ANY of the bullets hit or hurt anyone?
>
precisiely the same frame to their wounds which with all the other
evidence is highly probative they were hit by the same shot. That would
mean the first shot missed both of them.
Anthony Marsh
paul.je...@gmail.com
assassinate anyone why you would shoot at a target that is going away from
you and the target getting smaller we were taught to mark the target
either left to right or right to left were the target is a constant size
but the best target is one approaching were the target is becoming
enlarged and offers a better target area.
For minimal shoots.
Just an observation!!!
John McAdams
visible to anybody in the motorcade if he shot at the President when
he was on Houston Street.
All anybody would have to do is just look up and forward. And this
includes Hickey with his AR-15 and lots of other Secret Service agents
and cops with handguns.
But on Elm, the shooter was behind, and the view a bit obscured by the
Live Oak.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
> As an ex royal marine Marksman I fail to see why if you want to
> assassinate anyone why you would shoot at a target that is going away from
agents who might:
A. Spot you
B. Take evasive action
C. Rturn fire.
You also do not know the angles that could be blocked by the structure
of the limousine such as the windows or the parade bar.
Anthony Marsh
> On 30 Dec 2019 20:28:06 -0500, paul.je...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> As an ex royal marine Marksman I fail to see why if you want to
>> assassinate anyone why you would shoot at a target that is going away from
>> you and the target getting smaller we were taught to mark the target
>> either left to right or right to left were the target is a constant size
>> but the best target is one approaching were the target is becoming
>> enlarged and offers a better target area.
>>
>> For minimal shoots.
>>
>> Just an observation!!!
>
> The problem is that a shooter in the Sniper's Nest would be clearly
> visible to anybody in the motorcade if he shot at the President when
> he was on Houston Street.
>
the boxes in front of the winow would black your view.
You couldn't see the third black man in the Dillard photo because he ws
back in the shadows.
> All anybody would have to do is just look up and forward. And this
How come Euins thought the shooter was a black man?
> includes Hickey with his AR-15 and lots of other Secret Service agents
> and cops with handguns.
>
photo LOOKING back at the TSBD and they couldn't see the shooter.
> But on Elm, the shooter was behind, and the view a bit obscured by the
> Live Oak.
>
Do you realize tha the FBI film the TSBD in its reeactment of the
shooting with a camera in a car driving down Elm?
Show me the frame were a tree blocks the view of the siper's nest and
calculate what Zapruder frame that would be.
I seriously doubt that ANY SS agent was looking up at the TSBD winows
bofore any shots were fired.
> .John
> -----------------------
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
InsideSparta
> On 12/30/2019 8:36 PM, John McAdams wrote:
> > On 30 Dec 2019 20:28:06 -0500, paul.je...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> As an ex royal marine Marksman I fail to see why if you want to
> >> assassinate anyone why you would shoot at a target that is going away from
> >> you and the target getting smaller we were taught to mark the target
> >> either left to right or right to left were the target is a constant size
> >> but the best target is one approaching were the target is becoming
> >> enlarged and offers a better target area.
> >>
> >> For minimal shoots.
> >>
> >> Just an observation!!!
> >
> > The problem is that a shooter in the Sniper's Nest would be clearly
> > visible to anybody in the motorcade if he shot at the President when
> > he was on Houston Street.
> >
>
> False. The shooter had to ba a coulple of feet back from the window and
> the boxes in front of the winow would black your view.
>
> You couldn't see the third black man in the Dillard photo because he ws
> back in the shadows.
seen in the b/w photograph does not mean that he couldn't have been seen
with the naked eye, even if with his being set back away from the window.
Had the camera aperture been opened wider, the man may have been visible
in the photograph. For example, in the Orville Nix film, no detail can be
seen in the shadows of the trees on the Grassy Knoll because he had his
camera in the wrong setting for outside daylight filming. We see no
details whatsoever of the shaded areas on his film, but those areas were
certainly not pitch black areas to anyone looking from across the street.
His incorrect setting created far too much contrast between light and
darkness. His camera would have picked up detail if he'd set it correctly.
jecorb...@yahoo.com
shooter didn't choose to take the shot on Houston. He took the shots after
the limo turned the corner. There are pros and cons with either choice.
John McAdams has pointed out the problem with being spotted by men with
guns. The other problem is that Connally would have partially blocked such
a shot until the limo got very close to the intersection, at which time it
would be a difficult downward shot at a target moving across the line of
fire.
Given that Oswald was successful, I see no reason to second guess his
choice.
FORREST TRUMP
Anthony Marsh
> On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 3:01:49 PM UTC-8, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 12/30/2019 8:36 PM, John McAdams wrote:
>>> On 30 Dec 2019 20:28:06 -0500, paul.je...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> As an ex royal marine Marksman I fail to see why if you want to
>>>> assassinate anyone why you would shoot at a target that is going away from
>>>> you and the target getting smaller we were taught to mark the target
>>>> either left to right or right to left were the target is a constant size
>>>> but the best target is one approaching were the target is becoming
>>>> enlarged and offers a better target area.
>>>>
>>>> For minimal shoots.
>>>>
>>>> Just an observation!!!
>>>
>>> The problem is that a shooter in the Sniper's Nest would be clearly
>>> visible to anybody in the motorcade if he shot at the President when
>>> he was on Houston Street.
>>>
>>
>> False. The shooter had to ba a coulple of feet back from the window and
>> the boxes in front of the winow would black your view.
>>
>> You couldn't see the third black man in the Dillard photo because he ws
>> back in the shadows.
>
> Incorrect. Just because the individual at the 5th floor window cannot be
> seen in the b/w photograph does not mean that he couldn't have been seen
> with the naked eye, even if with his being set back away from the window.
> Had the camera aperture been opened wider, the man may have been visible
> in the photograph. For example, in the Orville Nix film, no detail can be
> seen in the shadows of the trees on the Grassy Knoll because he had his
> camera in the wrong setting for outside daylight filming. We see no
> details whatsoever of the shaded areas on his film, but those areas were
> certainly not pitch black areas to anyone looking from across the street.
> His incorrect setting created far too much contrast between light and
> darkness. His camera would have picked up detail if he'd set it correctly.
>
window.
Anthony Marsh
> On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 8:28:08 PM UTC-5, paul.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>> As an ex royal marine Marksman I fail to see why if you want to
>> assassinate anyone why you would shoot at a target that is going away from
>> you and the target getting smaller we were taught to mark the target
>> either left to right or right to left were the target is a constant size
>> but the best target is one approaching were the target is becoming
>> enlarged and offers a better target area.
>>
>> For minimal shoots.
>>
>> Just an observation!!!
>
> What you would have done is irrelevant. The evidence is clear that the
happened. He was asking WHY it happened. And I gave him a few possible
reasons that he had not thought about. Could also be easier to track at
a slower speed.
> shooter didn't choose to take the shot on Houston. He took the shots after
> the limo turned the corner. There are pros and cons with either choice.
> John McAdams has pointed out the problem with being spotted by men with
> guns. The other problem is that Connally would have partially blocked such
> a shot until the limo got very close to the intersection, at which time it
> would be a difficult downward shot at a target moving across the line of
> fire.
>
> Given that Oswald was successful, I see no reason to second guess his
> choice.
>
help from the front.
InsideSparta
> On 1/1/2020 2:25 PM, InsideSparta wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 3:01:49 PM UTC-8, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 12/30/2019 8:36 PM, John McAdams wrote:
> >>> On 30 Dec 2019 20:28:06 -0500, paul.je...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> As an ex royal marine Marksman I fail to see why if you want to
> >>>> assassinate anyone why you would shoot at a target that is going away from
> >>>> you and the target getting smaller we were taught to mark the target
> >>>> either left to right or right to left were the target is a constant size
> >>>> but the best target is one approaching were the target is becoming
> >>>> enlarged and offers a better target area.
> >>>>
> >>>> For minimal shoots.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just an observation!!!
> >>>
> >>> The problem is that a shooter in the Sniper's Nest would be clearly
> >>> visible to anybody in the motorcade if he shot at the President when
> >>> he was on Houston Street.
> >>>
> >>
> >> False. The shooter had to ba a coulple of feet back from the window and
> >> the boxes in front of the winow would black your view.
> >>
> >> You couldn't see the third black man in the Dillard photo because he ws
> >> back in the shadows.
> >
> > Incorrect. Just because the individual at the 5th floor window cannot be
> > seen in the b/w photograph does not mean that he couldn't have been seen
> > with the naked eye, even if with his being set back away from the window.
>
> Please prove that idea.
area of a photograph represents how that area would have appeared to
someone viewing it with the naked eye at the time the photo was taken? Any
simple knowledge of photography and now prints can be manipulated to alter
the contrast between light and dark will educate a person to understanding
that what is and is not seen in a photograph does not reflect what could
or could not be seen by the naked eye at the time the photograph was
taken. My contention is that just because an individual cannot be seen in
the 5th floor window in Dillard's photograph does not necessarily mean he
could not have been seen at that very moment with the naked eye. If you
want to believe that photos and film exactly represent what the naked eye
would have seen at the very same moment, God be with you.
Anthony Marsh
there, you ere not.
donald willis
in the first place in a photo.
recip...@gmail.com
sniper's nest to see what angles would have worked for a sniper. The space
between the window and the stacks of boxes behind it was only two feet
wide. It's incredibly awkward trying to wield a 40" long rifle
perpendicular to the window in such a space, and I couldn't get a good
firing position no matter what I did. Moving a bit to the East, and
positioning myself next to the box stacks, I could get the rifle to point
in the Houston direction only by pinning my right shoulder against the
boxes. Taking a firing position to shoot down Elm Street was much, much
easier.
Anthony Marsh
> simple knowledge of photography and now prints can be manipulated to alter
> the contrast between light and dark will educate a person to understanding
third black man. You can not see someone in the shadows with the naked
eye.
> that what is and is not seen in a photograph does not reflect what could
> or could not be seen by the naked eye at the time the photograph was
> taken. My contention is that just because an individual cannot be seen in
> the 5th floor window in Dillard's photograph does not necessarily mean he
> could not have been seen at that very moment with the naked eye. If you
Anthony Marsh
Did you read the HSCA study on the Dillard photo?
Anthony Marsh
> On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 7:36:14 PM UTC-6, John McAdams wrote:
>> On 30 Dec 2019 20:28:06 -0500, paul.je...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> As an ex royal marine Marksman I fail to see why if you want to
>>> assassinate anyone why you would shoot at a target that is going away from
>>> you and the target getting smaller we were taught to mark the target
>>> either left to right or right to left were the target is a constant size
>>> but the best target is one approaching were the target is becoming
>>> enlarged and offers a better target area.
>>>
>>> For minimal shoots.
>>>
>>> Just an observation!!!
>>
>> The problem is that a shooter in the Sniper's Nest would be clearly
>> visible to anybody in the motorcade if he shot at the President when
>> he was on Houston Street.
>>
>> All anybody would have to do is just look up and forward. And this
>> includes Hickey with his AR-15 and lots of other Secret Service agents
>> and cops with handguns.
>>
>> But on Elm, the shooter was behind, and the view a bit obscured by the
>> Live Oak.
>
> It's a bit more complicated than that. Years ago, I built a mockup of the
> sniper's nest to see what angles would have worked for a sniper. The space
> between the window and the stacks of boxes behind it was only two feet
> wide. It's incredibly awkward trying to wield a 40" long rifle
> perpendicular to the window in such a space, and I couldn't get a good
The angle is 27 degrees not 90 degrees.
> firing position no matter what I did. Moving a bit to the East, and
> positioning myself next to the box stacks, I could get the rifle to point
> in the Houston direction only by pinning my right shoulder against the
> boxes. Taking a firing position to shoot down Elm Street was much, much
> easier.
>
>