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Canuck
Apr 27, 2013, 1:07:07 PM4/27/13
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I came across several documents in the Warren volumes in which Oswald spelled "honourable" the British/Canadian way, rather than "honorable". Since he was born and raised in the U.S., this seems odd.
He also pronounced "New Or-LEANS" (rhymes with beans) on a tape recording broadcast on TMWKK series, which is not the way anyone raised in "New Or-luns" pronounced it, and he didn't appear to have a southern accent, as you would expect (which Priscilla Johnson mentioned in her 1959 report). When Marina first met Oswald at a dance, she thought he was from one of the Baltic States, while speaking to him in Russian, and was surprised to learn he was American. Three SMU linguists studied recordings of Oswald's voice and concluded that English was not the person's native tongue (as mentioned in CROSSFIRE).
Then there's his 1963 passport application (CE 781 Vol. XVII), in which he listed his height as being 5' 11". Since returning from Russia, he had filled out lots of forms, many of which asked for his height, which he listed as 5' 9". However, what made him list his height as 5' 11" rather than explaining that the height of 5'11" listed on his 1959 passport was incorrect? Of course, as we know, his height was measured as being 5'11" when he took his medical before leaving the Marines, and that height also was listed on his military i.d. card and his Selective Service i.d. card. Priscilla Johnson (McMillan) listed Oswald's height as 5'11" in the margin of her notes from her 1959 interview with him, and in her report sent to NANA described him as a "six footer" (which was changed to "a nice young man" in the Nov. 24, 1964 version). On the other hand, Aline Mosby, in an article she wrote about interviewing Oswald (published in France; her rough notes appear in the Warren volumes - CE 1385) stated that he was 5' 9", as though she had been asked how tall Oswald was. When Oswald was interviewed by the FBI in Dallas, they indicated in their report that he was 5'11" (from observation) and that Marina was 5'5" (according to Oswald), although she was much shorter. Marina told the HSCA that Oswald "wasn't very tall man. He was a little bit taller than me." Priscilla mentioned having thought about Oswald a few weeks before the assassination, when interviewed by the W.C., and wondered "whatever happened to that little Lee Oswald.", at odds with her 1959 description. The Warren Commission seemed unaware of the conflicting height records associated with Oswald, a subject that was first raised by author Robert Sam Anson in 1975.
And then there's Oswald's exit visa from Russia. According to Marina, as told to Priscilla J. McMillan, he brought home extra copies of the forms to be filled out, in case he made a mistake. On the exit visa form, written in Russian (and translated by the U.S. State Dep't - CE 985 p. 447) Oswald listed his birth place as "New Orleans, Texas, USA)! Surprisingly, Priscilla was not aware of this glaring mistake when I spoke to her in the late 1980s, although Marina was (possibly through her contact with Michael Eddowes in the early 1980s). Eddowes was convinced that an impostor had returned from Russia posing as Oswald, which was apparently disproved when Oswald's body was exhumed and examined (CROSSFIRE raises some intriguing questions in that regard, as did the series TMWKK). As I mentioned in an earlier posting about Stephen King's novel about the assassina-tion, he led his readers to believe DNA was used to confirm that Oswald was, indeed, Oswald. However, the first time DNA was used to prove the identity of a deceased person was in the late 1980s.
When Oswald was interviewed by the FBI (CE 823), he was asked where his birth certificate was, and claimed it was packed in a trunk at his mother's home. He also denied that he took it to Russia (why wouldn't he?). Hoover had expressed concern in 1960 that the Russians might have obtained Oswald's birth certificate from him, which Marguerite Oswald indicated he had taken with him. He did have a Social Security card among his possessions, which the FBI agent who interviewed him in New Orleans noted, but it was unsigned! - prwhitmey
He also pronounced "New Or-LEANS" (rhymes with beans) on a tape recording broadcast on TMWKK series, which is not the way anyone raised in "New Or-luns" pronounced it, and he didn't appear to have a southern accent, as you would expect (which Priscilla Johnson mentioned in her 1959 report). When Marina first met Oswald at a dance, she thought he was from one of the Baltic States, while speaking to him in Russian, and was surprised to learn he was American. Three SMU linguists studied recordings of Oswald's voice and concluded that English was not the person's native tongue (as mentioned in CROSSFIRE).
Then there's his 1963 passport application (CE 781 Vol. XVII), in which he listed his height as being 5' 11". Since returning from Russia, he had filled out lots of forms, many of which asked for his height, which he listed as 5' 9". However, what made him list his height as 5' 11" rather than explaining that the height of 5'11" listed on his 1959 passport was incorrect? Of course, as we know, his height was measured as being 5'11" when he took his medical before leaving the Marines, and that height also was listed on his military i.d. card and his Selective Service i.d. card. Priscilla Johnson (McMillan) listed Oswald's height as 5'11" in the margin of her notes from her 1959 interview with him, and in her report sent to NANA described him as a "six footer" (which was changed to "a nice young man" in the Nov. 24, 1964 version). On the other hand, Aline Mosby, in an article she wrote about interviewing Oswald (published in France; her rough notes appear in the Warren volumes - CE 1385) stated that he was 5' 9", as though she had been asked how tall Oswald was. When Oswald was interviewed by the FBI in Dallas, they indicated in their report that he was 5'11" (from observation) and that Marina was 5'5" (according to Oswald), although she was much shorter. Marina told the HSCA that Oswald "wasn't very tall man. He was a little bit taller than me." Priscilla mentioned having thought about Oswald a few weeks before the assassination, when interviewed by the W.C., and wondered "whatever happened to that little Lee Oswald.", at odds with her 1959 description. The Warren Commission seemed unaware of the conflicting height records associated with Oswald, a subject that was first raised by author Robert Sam Anson in 1975.
And then there's Oswald's exit visa from Russia. According to Marina, as told to Priscilla J. McMillan, he brought home extra copies of the forms to be filled out, in case he made a mistake. On the exit visa form, written in Russian (and translated by the U.S. State Dep't - CE 985 p. 447) Oswald listed his birth place as "New Orleans, Texas, USA)! Surprisingly, Priscilla was not aware of this glaring mistake when I spoke to her in the late 1980s, although Marina was (possibly through her contact with Michael Eddowes in the early 1980s). Eddowes was convinced that an impostor had returned from Russia posing as Oswald, which was apparently disproved when Oswald's body was exhumed and examined (CROSSFIRE raises some intriguing questions in that regard, as did the series TMWKK). As I mentioned in an earlier posting about Stephen King's novel about the assassina-tion, he led his readers to believe DNA was used to confirm that Oswald was, indeed, Oswald. However, the first time DNA was used to prove the identity of a deceased person was in the late 1980s.
When Oswald was interviewed by the FBI (CE 823), he was asked where his birth certificate was, and claimed it was packed in a trunk at his mother's home. He also denied that he took it to Russia (why wouldn't he?). Hoover had expressed concern in 1960 that the Russians might have obtained Oswald's birth certificate from him, which Marguerite Oswald indicated he had taken with him. He did have a Social Security card among his possessions, which the FBI agent who interviewed him in New Orleans noted, but it was unsigned! - prwhitmey
John Fiorentino
Apr 27, 2013, 6:23:44 PM4/27/13
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Not trying to be funny, but your point is..........what exactly?
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Ralph Cinque
Apr 27, 2013, 10:28:19 PM4/27/13
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Bravo! Very interesting. Are you a fan of John Armstrong and his theory
about "Harvey and Lee"?
about "Harvey and Lee"?
curtjester1
Apr 27, 2013, 10:31:06 PM4/27/13
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On Apr 27, 6:23 pm, "John Fiorentino" <jefiorent...@optimum.net>
wrote:
might find a pattern of difference. That's what John Armstrong did,
who just took 12 years off his life and studied letters, receipts,
documents, mannerisms, ways of speech and found a gov't project,
Harvey and Lee.
CJ
> John F.
>
> "Canuck" <prwhit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
wrote:
> Not trying to be funny, but your point is..........what exactly?
>
That if you examine all the records that you don't normally do, one
>
might find a pattern of difference. That's what John Armstrong did,
who just took 12 years off his life and studied letters, receipts,
documents, mannerisms, ways of speech and found a gov't project,
Harvey and Lee.
CJ
> John F.
>
> "Canuck" <prwhit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Chad Anthony
Apr 27, 2013, 10:32:26 PM4/27/13
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Fake Oswald.I think it was a robot impersonating Oswald.
Anthony Marsh
Apr 28, 2013, 7:31:32 PM4/28/13
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On 4/27/2013 10:32 PM, Chad Anthony wrote:
> Fake Oswald.I think it was a robot impersonating Oswald.
>
I like that. Ever watch Doctor Who?
> Fake Oswald.I think it was a robot impersonating Oswald.
>
Chad Anthony
Apr 28, 2013, 10:26:44 PM4/28/13
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A long time ago.
Ace Kefford
Apr 29, 2013, 6:25:41 PM4/29/13
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Research
Apr 29, 2013, 6:27:19 PM4/29/13
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"Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On 4/27/2013 10:32 PM, Chad Anthony wrote:
>> Fake Oswald.I think it was a robot impersonating Oswald.
>>
>
>
> I like that. Ever watch Doctor Who?
>
WHO?
>> Fake Oswald.I think it was a robot impersonating Oswald.
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>
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> I like that. Ever watch Doctor Who?
>
No it was Webster (Marina's secret lover) impersonating Oswald after his
face lift and body stretching?
You Know?
curtjester1
Apr 30, 2013, 4:49:55 PM4/30/13
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On Apr 27, 10:28 pm, Ralph Cinque <budab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bravo! Very interesting. Are you a fan of John Armstrong and his theory
about "Harvey and Lee"?
Yes, I am a fan, mostly of his evidentiary pursuits. While researchers
> Bravo! Very interesting. Are you a fan of John Armstrong and his theory
about "Harvey and Lee"?
have spent most their time on the Dealey Plaza evidence, I see Armstrong
and other authors, go for the reason behind the assassination by
pinpointing events leading up to the patsy set-up of the assassination and
who was behind all of it. People like him too, and he even has a site on
Facebook just by interested people, and not John himself. It's called
Harvey and Lee. I recommend recent books as well like Girl On The Stairs,
and Mellon's, Our Man In Haiti. Kelin's book too should be a poignant
read.
If people's appetites aren't whetted by some of his discoveries, I truly
think they should just hang it up.
http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/books/Armstrong/
CJ
Ace Kefford
Apr 30, 2013, 4:53:21 PM4/30/13
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is hard to stay current.
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