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Justin

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May 19, 2005, 6:51:49 AM5/19/05
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I was just watching unedited NBC coverage of the aftermath of the RFK
assassination. Included is an interview with an NBC technician who says
he saw the shooting on a camera monitor. He claims he saw Kennedy twist
and fall. I have heard many times over the years that there are NO
photographs and films of the actual assassination. So, what did this guy
see? Why hasn't this footage surfaced? This interview was conducted
about 40 minutes after the shooting. I find it hard to believe that he
would by lying.

Justin

John Hunt

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May 19, 2005, 11:40:14 AM5/19/05
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Justin <jsincl...@excite.nospam4me.com> wrote in message
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> I was just watching unedited NBC coverage of the aftermath of the RFK
> assassination.

Where was that??


> Included is an interview with an NBC technician who says
> he saw the shooting on a camera monitor. He claims he saw Kennedy twist
> and fall.

Several witness saw the same thing. Several saw something different. I'll be
presenting on this and other new RFK evidence at Lancer this November.


> I have heard many times over the years that there are NO
> photographs and films of the actual assassination.

None that survive. Scott Enyart turned his film over to the LAPD. Those
photos were not used during the Grand Jury proceedings on the 7th. That they
were not is most likely no accident. Had they supported the "official case"
they would have been GJ exhibit 1.

Unless copies are in the hands of LAPD guys, they have been lost to history.


So, what did this guy
> see? Why hasn't this footage surfaced?

There is no footage. he was looking through the lens, but not filming.


John Hunt

Justin

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May 19, 2005, 8:18:35 PM5/19/05
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In article <428c...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, jo...@jamestowndistributors.com
says...

>
>
>
>Justin <jsincl...@excite.nospam4me.com> wrote in message
>news:I%Vie.788765$w62.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> I was just watching unedited NBC coverage of the aftermath of the RFK
>> assassination.
>
>Where was that??

Not quite sure what you're asking. I was at home watching a videotape if
that's what you mean. The tape is a bootleg. I'm not aware of any
rebroadcasts of the NBC RFK coverage, at least in it's entirety.


>Several witness saw the same thing. Several saw something different. I'll be
>presenting on this and other new RFK evidence at Lancer this November.

Excuse my ignorance, but what did these other witnesses see, or do I have
to attend your lecture? ;-)


>None that survive. Scott Enyart turned his film over to the LAPD. Those
>photos were not used during the Grand Jury proceedings on the 7th. That they
>were not is most likely no accident. Had they supported the "official case"
>they would have been GJ exhibit 1.
>
>Unless copies are in the hands of LAPD guys, they have been lost to history.

Yeah, I've heard Scott Enyart's story, and it's pretty obvious to me that
his pictures must have shown something contradictory to the LAPD's
shooting scenario.

Sort of related: Some CBS and NBC cameras were in fact rolling videotape
at the moment of the assassination. Unfortunately in both instances, the
cameras were in the ballroom, and nothing of value can be seen. Not trying
to nitpick or anything, I just think it's interesting. This footage was
replayed in both network's coverage of the aftermath. I have been unable
to ascertain whether these camera views were shown "live" on television
sets across America when the shots were fired, but I doubt it. In case
you're wondering my CBS and NBC coverage both begin after the shooting, so
I don't know what the "live" view was at 12:16.

>There is no footage. he was looking through the lens, but not filming.

More or less what I figured. Taping was expensive back then, so they
probably weren't rolling video on that particular feed. I think the guy
said he was in a makeshift studio NBC had set up at the Ambassoder when he
saw this, but don't quote me on that.

The coverage is interesting. Sandra Serrano's (sp?) interview is there as
well in which she decsribes polka dot dress woman for the first time.
There are also a couple witnesses who said they saw someone run from the
pantry after the shooting with others in pursuit. This is mentioned twice
at most, and there never was a followup. I wonder what/who they saw.

Justin

Herbert Blenner

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May 19, 2005, 10:28:24 PM5/19/05
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A Monitor display signals from a video camera. Neither equipment
produces a videotape. So we should not expect to find any footage.

Herbert

John Hunt

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May 19, 2005, 10:29:22 PM5/19/05
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"Justin" <jsincl...@excite.nospam4me.com> wrote in message
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> In article <428c...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, jo...@jamestowndistributors.com
> says...
>>
>>
>>
>>Justin <jsincl...@excite.nospam4me.com> wrote in message
>>news:I%Vie.788765$w62.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> I was just watching unedited NBC coverage of the aftermath of the RFK
>>> assassination.
>>
>>Where was that??
>
> Not quite sure what you're asking.

I thought it was a TV "special" I missed, as I retire early and don't
watch much TV.

I was at home watching a videotape if
> that's what you mean. The tape is a bootleg. I'm not aware of any
> rebroadcasts of the NBC RFK coverage, at least in it's entirety.

OK. I've seen most of the coverage. If there is another bootleg to be had,
I'd be interested: johnh...@verizon.net

>
>
>>Several witness saw the same thing. Several saw something different. I'll
>>be
>>presenting on this and other new RFK evidence at Lancer this November.
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but what did these other witnesses see, or do I have
> to attend your lecture? ;-)

Some of the witnesses reported RFK facing SBS and then simply falling. The
twist/no twist defines the trajectory, which in turn effects where the
bullets would have ended up.

>
>
>>None that survive. Scott Enyart turned his film over to the LAPD. Those
>>photos were not used during the Grand Jury proceedings on the 7th. That
>>they
>>were not is most likely no accident. Had they supported the "official
>>case"
>>they would have been GJ exhibit 1.
>>
>>Unless copies are in the hands of LAPD guys, they have been lost to
>>history.
>
> Yeah, I've heard Scott Enyart's story, and it's pretty obvious to me that
> his pictures must have shown something contradictory to the LAPD's
> shooting scenario.

Agreed.


>
> Sort of related: Some CBS and NBC cameras were in fact rolling videotape
> at the moment of the assassination. Unfortunately in both instances, the
> cameras were in the ballroom, and nothing of value can be seen. Not trying
> to nitpick or anything, I just think it's interesting. This footage was
> replayed in both network's coverage of the aftermath. I have been unable
> to ascertain whether these camera views were shown "live" on television
> sets across America when the shots were fired, but I doubt it. In case
> you're wondering my CBS and NBC coverage both begin after the shooting, so
> I don't know what the "live" view was at 12:16.

As I understand it, it was not live on TV.


>
>>There is no footage. he was looking through the lens, but not filming.
>
> More or less what I figured. Taping was expensive back then, so they
> probably weren't rolling video on that particular feed. I think the guy
> said he was in a makeshift studio NBC had set up at the Ambassoder when he
> saw this, but don't quote me on that.

Right. A make-shift media interview area was set up in the westward
portion of the pantry. That a partition was used in the pantry that night
is little known.


>
> The coverage is interesting. Sandra Serrano's (sp?)

Correct.

interview is there as
> well in which she decsribes polka dot dress woman for the first time.
> There are also a couple witnesses who said they saw someone run from the
> pantry after the shooting with others in pursuit. This is mentioned twice

> at most, and there never was a follow-up.

Not officially. The audio-tape of Serrano's "polygraph" exam is
despicable. The LAPD poly guy berated her (yes, you read that correctly)
until she acquiesced to his repeated demands that she had not seen anyone
running or shouting. (Melanson uncovered that one, I believe.)


John Hunt

Martin Shackelford

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May 20, 2005, 11:55:52 AM5/20/05
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The monitor may not have been live or connected to a videotape machine.

Martin

Martin Shackelford

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May 20, 2005, 11:58:13 AM5/20/05
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A video (and now DVD) has been available of all of the collected footage
taken that night--it's available from M&A Book Dealer in Waco, TX.

Martin

John Hunt

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May 21, 2005, 9:42:04 AM5/21/05
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Thanks.


John Hunt


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Questioning

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May 21, 2005, 6:04:32 PM5/21/05
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actually there were 2400 photos destroyed by the LA da office because there
was no trial.

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John Hunt

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"Questioning" <12...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> actually there were 2400 photos destroyed by the LA da office because
> there
> was no trial.

I'm not sue just what you mean, but there most certainly was the prospect
of a trail. Sirhan had not plead guilty, and it was apparent that he would
not, which meant a trail. That the LAPD destroyed the photographs
(claiming they were just prints and nothing more) before Sirhan's trial
would seem beyond belief except that we know that it happened.

Where's .John when the LAPD needs him?? :-)


John Hunt

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