Another Judyth-style book
John McAdams
http://adamsjfk.com/Home.html
.John
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David Von Pein
More Anybody-But-Oswald garbage, I see. It just never stops flowing,
does it?
From just the first glance at Adams' website, I spotted multiple
glaring errors, such as the several here:
"Oswald was not in a position to have made any of the shots he
reportedly made because he was seen in the employee break room of the
Texas Book Depository moments after the first shot was fired. A Dallas
police officer and the Book Depository’s superintendent confronted a
man in the break room drinking a half-finished Coke, a man who was not
perspiring, not breathing hard and appeared very calm to both of them.
The officer asked the man, ‘Who are you and why are you here?’ The
man answered, ‘Lee Harvey Oswald’ and said he ‘worked here in the Book
Depository.’ The officer asked the superintendent if Oswald was an
employee. The superintendent said he was. The two men then left
Oswald."
"Half-finished Coke" = dead wrong.
"The officer asked the man..." = dead wrong.
"The man answered..." = dead wrong.
And the LNers are accused of fabricating stuff.
Pathetic.
David Von Pein
For a lot more laughs (in addition to the many factual errors on his
website), tune in to Don Adams' 5-part radio interview on this
webpage:
In Part 2 of the program, Adams tells all kinds of falsehoods, such as
the howler about how Oswald would have had to criss-cross the Book
Depository building a total of THREE different times in order to get
from the sixth-floor "loft" (as Adams calls it) to the second-floor
"break room" (as Adams calls the lunchroom)!
Adams actually seems to think that Oswald had to cross the entire
length of the building THREE times--once to hide the rifle; then
another criss-cross to get to the stairs (totally untrue); and then a
third crossing of the building in order to reach the lunchroom (also a
lie).
This guy doesn't know the most basic facts about the assassination or
Oswald's movements.
David Von Pein
More stuff that Adams has wrong (the list is almost endless if you
listen to the full 5-part Cleveland radio interview):
He thinks it was Rufus Youngblood who climbed aboard JFK's car right
after the shooting in Dealey Plaza.
He seemed to imply that the original motorcade route would have taken
the car down Elm St. through Dallas, instead of Main (at least that's
what he said).
He implies that the back of JFK's head is missing in the existing
autopsy pictures. Goofy.
He claims that NONE of the Secret Service agents gave any statements
to anyone in officialdom. He evidently isn't aware that every SS agent
in Kennedy's detail wrote up an official report for the SS files, plus
several agents appeared before the WC--e.g., Clint Hill, Roy
Kellerman, and Bill Greer.
Adams claims that nobody bothered to even check the bullets that came
out of J.D. Tippit's body to see if they could be matched to Oswald's
revolver. He thinks it wasn't done at all, despite the testimony of
Joe Nicol and Bob Frazier...with Nicol even stating that one of the
bullets could be matched to LHO's gun.
He claims that somebody had to approach Jackie Kennedy and ask her to
relinquish the piece of JFK's head that she carried to
Parkland...instead of Jackie herself voluntarily giving the head piece
to Dr. Pepper Jenkins (which, of course, is what happened).
And, of course, we're treated to the usual CT excrement about how
Oswald's shooting feat was absolutely impossible, and how it's never
been duplicated by anybody on the mortal coil. And then we a goof who
calls in the radio show to say that he and his Marine sniper team
couldn't come anywhere near Oswald's feat, with the caller saying that
he couldn't do it in less than SIXTEEN seconds. And the best his
commanding officer could accomplish was TWELVE seconds. (Great sniper
team there. Irene Ryan of The Beverly Hillbillies could have done it
in under ten seconds--easy.)
And there's the usual stuff about how Oswald's rifle was a piece of
junk. And the lie about how Oswald didn't kill Tippit either. Etc.,
etc.
Don Adams, in effect, is clueless.
Bill Kelly
> http://adamsjfk.com/Home.html
> .John
> --------------http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Another Judyth Style Book?
Except its written by a former FBI agent who ran informants
who espressed foreknowledge of the assassination,
instead of a dingbat broad
with a wild imagination.
BK
timstter
Now steady on, Bill! Baker at least met Oswald once or twice.
Still, MOST of what you say has merit, LOL!
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
mark drenning
with the poilceman.
Anthony Marsh
> Oswald never said a word. did not buy a coke until after the encounter
> with the poilceman.
>
>
Then how did Baker see Oswald holding a Coke in his hand when he
confronted him?
j leyden
> http://adamsjfk.com/Home.html
> .John
> --------------http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Punch up "About the Author" on the link you provided and you'll see a
statement attributed to Adams to the effect that reading Groden's &
Livingstone's High Treason "changed my life." Imagine having your life
altered by Groden, a DP street peddler, and Livingstone, the "publisher"
of Judyth Baker's first 700+ pages, $50 book. Also a TV news item on
Adams posted on ACJ notes he thinks there were clearly 11 shots fired in
DP. Imagine all that lead buzzing around DP and only two people were hit.
Amazing!
JGL
David Von Pein
>>> "Imagine all that lead buzzing around DP and only two people were
hit." <<<
And not only that -- the TARGET is only hit TWICE, in 11 attempts.
All of the assassins were named Helen Keller evidently.
mark drenning
j leyden
Assasssins belong to a very strong union. They never send one man (or
woman0 to do a job when six require work.
JGL
Alex Foyle
"The Korean War veteran and retired FBI agent, Don Adams, was
interviewed by a FOX 8 news reporter. He told the reporter that he
worked as an FBI field agent in Thomasville, Georgia.
Adams, who is now 80-years-old, told the reporter that one of his
assignments was to investigate "one of the most violent men in the
country,” Joseph Milteer."
The video and the article can be found here:
SimonJCP
There were a number of warnings. One of them came from neo-Nazi Joseph
Milteer of the KKK. A tape exists in which he can be heard stating that
Kennedy will be shot "from an office building, with a high- powered rifle"
and that a patsy will be used to divert attention away from the real
suspects.
The FBI maintains that Milteer was in Quitman at the time of the
assassination, but a police informant states that Milteer, who he was
known to be in contact with, contacted him from Dallas the morning of the
assassination and expressed foreknowledge of the assassination. The
Garrison investigation found out about this police informant and
interviewed him -- he stated that Milteer had told him that both Jack Ruby
and J.D. Tippet were shooters.
Some argue that Milteer was not in a position to be connected to any
proposed conspiracy -- however, he was a member of the KKK, John Birch
Society, and White Citizens Council.
There are many who will argue that the KKK was involved in the
assassination, and many who will observe that the KKK was a "subsidiary"
of Freemasonry, which has countless connections to the assassination.
It can be observed that the Dallas local government and police department
were saturated with members of the John Birch Society and KKK. The John
Birch Society has close ties to the Nazis, and the KKK has always been
linked to the neo-Nazi movement. The White Citizens Council has similarly
been linked to the neo-Nazi movement and it's causes, and it was also
implicated in the assassination -- a man was given a taxi ride by a member
of the White Citizens Council who told him that Kennedy was going to be
killed.
All of these organizations link in with the Nazis. Allen Dulles had
executed Operation Paperclip and brought hundreds of Nazis into the US.
They were then "merged" with the military/intelligence/defense- contractor
establishment. Many of them joined Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's former
intelligence chief and a rabid fascist/Nazi/racist, in West Germany, who
became the head of the "Gehlen Organization", an anti-communist
intelligence organization comprised of the Nazi remnants. Reinhard Gehlen
was a war criminal, but he was disguised in a US uniform and smuggled into
the US after WWII by the CIA. His operation was then heavily
financed/supported by the CIA under Allen Dulles -- Dulles and his brother
were closely tied to the Nazis in many ways.
Now, the Gehlen Organization has always been a little-discussed suspect.
So Milteer's links to hardline conservatives and neo-Nazis could have been
the reason for his foreknowledge. He heard whisperings.
Milteer died after receiving burn wounds from a heater explosion in 1974.
This is despite the fact that Milteer's wounds were treated and healing.
"We KNOW that Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot the President."
Yep -- and the US-Intelligence/Nazi community was in a perfect
position to set up the patsy. Who controlled them? The Papacy.
NAZI TIES
Lee Harvey Oswald received intelligence training at Atsugi AFB in Atsugi,
Japan. It is at this base that there was a training school for Reinhard
Gehlen's spies, who were going to infiltrate the Soviet Union. Oswald
spoke German to a fellow Marine, Nelson Delgado. This, as well as the fact
that Oswald later developed a wide range of Nazi connections, suggests
that he was recruited/trained by the Gehlen Organization. Gehlen was
Hitler's intelligence chief on the Russian front and a rabid Nazi/Fascist.
A war criminal, he was one of the heads of the hundreds of Nazis that were
brought into the US to form the core of the military/intelligence/defense
community, as part of "Operation Paperclip".
Oswald and his wife befriended no less than three dozen members of the
white Russian community in Dallas. Many of these Russians were closely
tied to the Nazis, and their best friend, pro-Nazi George de
Mohrenschildt, had been exposed by the FBI and the British as a Nazi spy,
whose cousin, Baron Maydell was a high-ranking Nazi agent, and whose
father managed the interests of Nobel Oil Firm, which was legally
represented by former Mussolini adviser John J. McCloy (Warren Commission
member), who had very close Nazi/Fascist ties and sympathies. de
Mohrenschildt had worked for Pantepec Oil, owned by the family of William
Buckley, accused of being a crypto-Nazi.
Oswald was supervised in New Orleans by W. Guy Banister, who was the head
of the Anti-Communist League of the Caribbean, a major part of the World
Anti-Communist League (WACL), which was set up by Charles Willoughby, a
fascist/pro-Nazi Major-General in the US Military who received the Order
of Saints Maurizio and Lazzaro from the Mussolini regime and was an avid
supporter of fascist Spanish leader Francisco Franco.
The Oswalds befriended the Paines -- Ruth and Michael, who were involved
in domestic surveillance activities. Michael Paine worked for Bell
Helicopter, directly under Walter Dornberger, the Nazi war criminal and
rocket scientist who was raring for another war, another chance to bring
back fascism - he was supposed to be hung at Nuremberg, but was taken
under the wing of Dulles' Paperclip operation, which put him in the
Military-Industrial Complex (Bell Helicopter). Michael Paine's cousins
were former executives of United Fruit, which included American Nazi
assets like Allen Dulles and John McCloy. Ruth Paine's mother was a
lifelong friend of Mary Bancroft, a lover of Allen Dulles, who, along with
his brother, had intimate links to the Nazis before, during, and after the
second world war.
The man Oswald sat beside on the bus was Albert Osborne (alias John Howard
Bowen), who lied to authorities about the incident and who was running a
special school for marksmen in Oaxaca, Mexico since 1934. FBI records from
1942 show that Osborne was a neo-Nazi who ran a neo- Nazi youth group
called the "Campfire Council" in the US during the war.
Oswald was "handled" by Clay Shaw, who was a close friend of Hjalmar
Schacht, Nazi finance minister. He was involved in Centro Mondiale
Commerciale (CMC) and Permindex. Both companies were saturated with people
who had CIA/fascist links. He had links to rabid conservatives in New
Orleans. During WWII, Shaw served as an aide to General Charles Thrasher,
and met with top Nazi war criminals (Such as Walter Dornberger and Werner
von Braun), who were going to be brought into the US and "merged" into
it's establishment. Shaw introduced Allen Dulles' right-hand man, Charles
Cabell, at a New Orleans speaking engagement he had in 1961.
Oswald's address book contained the names of Gen. Edwin Walker (Closely
tied to Nazis) and George Lincoln Rockwell, head of the American Nazi
Party.
SHADOW-GOVERNMENT TIES
Oswald's cousin, Marilyn Murret, was certainly a CIA operative. His
half-brother, John Pic, was involved in covert Defense Department bio-
warfare/radiation programs.
Oswald was stationed at Atsugi AFB prior to his "discharge"/"defection",
and was trained in radar-surveillance by an officer who had graduated from
Georgetown School of Foreign Service, a Jesuit school with close CIA ties.
There is evidence that he received intelligence training by the CIA &
Military-Intelligence, and that his activities in Russia were an
intelligence mission. Oswald's mother said that her son was "an agent of
the US government".
Oswald worked for the FBI as a paid informant/operative and his employee
number was S-172. He was paid $200 a month for his FBI work, and was
"handled" by Warren de Brueys of the FBI, whose name is found in his
notebook and who was seen in his company in New Orleans.
Oswald worked for US Customs, and his handler there was David Smith, who
was involved with CIA operations. Orestes Pena frequently saw him with US
Customs agents.
Oswald was a close associate of Juan Valdes, a US Customs house broker
whose neighbor, Owen Hawes, did covert work for NASA. Valdes did work for
CIA front companies, one of which ("All Transport, Inc.") was located in
the International Trade Mart (a CIA front that Clay Shaw directed).
Oswald's Civil-Air-Patrol captain and New Orleans friend, David Ferrie,
who may have gotten him into the Marines, was a CIA asset and told friends
that he took orders from US Military-Intelligence. Ferrie did work as a
police informant. E. Carl McNabb, a CIA contract pilot, had gone to the
School of Americas (CIA/RFK project to train the Latin American military)
with Ferrie. McNabb was stopped, but Ferrie was able to go right in.
McNabb was surprised that Ferrie's security clearance was so high -- "I
didn't know yours was so low!" Ferrie had many CIA-assets/operatives among
his friends.
Oswald's supervisor, Guy Banister, served in the Office of Naval
Intelligence (ONI), one of the oldest/largest and most powerful
intelligence agencies. He worked as a CIA asset in New Orleans, with
intimate connections to the CIA's Anti-Castro Cubans operation. He was a
former chief of the FBI. His "Detective's Office", which Oswald was
"supervised/handled" out of, was across the street from the New Orleans
Naval Intelligence offices and close to both the New Orleans FBI office
and New Orleans CIA office, as well as the New Orleans Secret Service
office.
Oswald's associate/handler, Clay Shaw, who he was seen with many times,
was a "former" CIA informant and the managing director of a CIA front
company in New Orleans (International Trade Mart), as well as being
involved in two obvious foreign CIA fronts (Permindex and CMC) with
intimate fascist connections. Shaw was certainly a CIA man, and is rumored
to have served in the OSS. Shaw introduced Charles Cabell, the Deputy
Director of the CIA, in 1961 at a speaking event in New Orleans. Shaw was
on friendly terms with Hunter Leake, assistant to the chief of the New
Orleans CIA office.
Oswald's best friend in Dallas, Nazi intelligence agent George de
Mohrenschildt, furnished reports to the CIA during the Bay of Pigs
invasion and was in contact with a CIA operative in Dallas named J. Walton
Moore, as well as the Chief of Staff for Army Intelligence.
The Oswalds befriended the Paines in Dallas, and the Paines were
conducting domestic surveillance on dissidents/subversives. Ruth Paine's
father and brother-in-law worked for US AID, and her father was considered
for CIA work in Vietnam. Her mother was a lifelong friend of CIA
chief/Spook king Allen Dulles' lover. Her sister was a CIA operative.
Michael Paine's father had founded Bell Helicopter, which he worked for --
Bell Helicopter was a major contractor of the Defense Department. He is
alleged to be an operative of the Defense Industrial Security Command
(DISC), the "secret police" of the military-industrial complex.
Oswald was in contact with the CIA-backed DRE and staged a "confrontation"
with them on the street, then did a public radio debate with them,
moderated by CIA asset Bill Stuckley. The tape of the debate and the
incident itself were used as "proof" of Oswald's Communist beliefs.
JESUIT/CATHOLIC TIES
Oswald's cousin, Eugene Murret, was a Jesuit novice. Murret invited Oswald
to speak about Russia at the Jesuit House of Studies in Alabama. He
addressed the Jesuits there in the summer of 1963.
Oswald's CAP captain and friend David Ferrie was a defrocked Catholic
priest who had been trained by the Jesuits at a New Orleans Jesuit private
school. Many people linked to Jesuit universities or Vatican organizations
were among his friends.
Oswald's friend/associate/handler Clay Shaw was a member of the Sovereign
Military Order of Malta (SMOM), an elite Roman Catholic organization that
has been called "the Pope's militia".
Oswald was involved in anti-Soviet espionage for the CIA, work that would
have been overseen by the CIA counter-intelligence chief, James Angleton,
or the head of the Gehlen Organization, Reinhard Gehlen. Both men were
members of SMOM, and Gehlen had received an award from the Roman Catholic
Church.
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So yes, Oswald was set up. The people who were in the position to do that?
The covert, Nazi "shadow government" and the Vatican, controlling it.
"We KNOW that Oswald and Jack Ruby were associates."
Yes, and both men did covert work for the FBI. Both men's FBI activities
were clearly under the FBI's counter-intelligence/dirty- tricks section
(Division 5). The FBI/Divison-5 was ultimately under J. Edgar Hoover
(SMOM), who had intimate links to the Nazis.
Ruby, in addition to working for FBI counter-intelligence, was an
associate of Clay Shaw, who was involved in two fascist-riddled, related
companies, and who was a close friend of the former Nazi finance minister.
Ruby knew Ferrie, the CIA/Military-Intelligence asset.Ruby also had links
to CIA/Mossad activities and to the super- powerful Bronfman family. His
lawyer, Melvin Belli, was also the lawyer for the widow of Hermann Goering
(One of the top Nazi officials) and Errol Flynn (the actor who
collaborated with the Nazi Gestapo).
Before dying of a mysterious cancer (which he said had been induced), Ruby
implied that Nazis were involved in the JFK assassination.
"We KNOW that the President was shot twice from the front."
According to a book written by Mikhail Lebedev ("Treason -- For My Daily
Bread"), the final shot was fired by a Nazi agent, working on the behalf
of Martin Bormann.
E. Howard Hunt, CIA assassin, was in Dallas when Kennedy was shot. Hunt
was a close friend of two high-level members of the Sovereign Military
Order of Malta (SMOM). He used the alias "Knight" -- interesting, since
members of SMOM call themselves and each other "Knights" and "Dames".
Also, the previously-mentioned Joseph Milteer told a police informant that
Ruby and Tippit were the shooters. According to that police informant,
Milteer was in Dallas at the time of the assassination and one photograph
contains a man who looks very much like him, and was identified by Adams
(Who met him) as him.
"We KNOW that there was no single “pristine” bullet that hit both the
President and Texas Gov. John Connally."
Suspects for the planting of the "Stretcher Bullet": -Jack Ruby (FBI
Division 5, Organized crime, Met Shaw/Oswald/Cabell/ Tippit) -Roy
Kellerman (Secret Service)
"We KNOW that a number of shots were fired from various positions around
the Texas Book Depository."
"In and Around" the TSBD was a key point for snipers. Perhaps, then, we
should examine D.H. Byrd, who owned the TSBD. Read about his connections:
http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/17th_Issue/rambler3.html
Anthony Marsh
I guess it's time for another trivia quiz. Which failed assassination
attempt had the most shots fired with none hitting the intended target?
It's ok to include one where people other than the intended target were
hit. I'll give you a few hints. First, think machine guns. But remember
that in the Petit-Clamart attempt one of the machine guns jammed and the
others held fewer rounds than most people think of for a machine gun.
Also think Mexico politics.
John McAdams
wrote:
>On Aug 19, 10:50 pm, John McAdams <john.mcad...@marquette.edu> wrote:
>> http://adamsjfk.com/Home.html
>> .John
>> --------------http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
>Another Judyth Style Book?
>
>Except its written by a former FBI agent who ran informants
> who espressed foreknowledge of the assassination,
He says.
> instead of a dingbat broad
>with a wild imagination.
>
>
Unfortunately, there are people who have served in government jobs who
are crackpost, or turn into crackpots in later years.
Ever hear of Gen. Edwin Walker?
.John
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John McAdams
>"We KNOW that there were warnings that the President would be killed."
>
>There were a number of warnings. One of them came from neo-Nazi Joseph
>Milteer of the KKK. A tape exists in which he can be heard stating that
>Kennedy will be shot "from an office building, with a high- powered rifle"
>and that a patsy will be used to divert attention away from the real
>suspects.
>
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/milteer.htm
>The FBI maintains that Milteer was in Quitman at the time of the
>assassination, but a police informant states that Milteer, who he was
>known to be in contact with, contacted him from Dallas the morning of the
>assassination and expressed foreknowledge of the assassination.
If you mean Somersett, that was a story that Somersett begain to tell
years after the event.
But here is an earlier statement from Somersett:
<Quote on>
MIAMI POLICE INFORMANT
INFORMATION ON MILTEER
November 26, 1963
PAGE 4
[....]
Q: Do you know whether this Milteer has ever spent any time in New
Orleans?
A: He said that he had been to New Orleans and that he had been to
Dallas Texas. This probably would have been 5-6 months ago, he didn't
specify a certain time, but he was in New Orleans, Dallas, and
Gulfport Mississippi, and in Biloxi, Mississippi and in Jackson, and
he spent quite a time in Alabama.
[....]
Q: Do you have any idea of your own thought, what is your thought, do
you think maybe Milteer could have been in Dallas, Texas in the last
two weeks?
A: Yes, he could have been there, I am satisfied that he could have
been most anywhere he wanted; he has two cars ready to move at
anytime.
Q: You have seen no evidence that he was there?
A: No. He didn't say that he was, the only thing he said that he had
been in Texas.
PAGE 7
Q: He didn't say when he had been in Texas?
A. No, he didn't say. He had been in New Orleans, Houston, different
places in Louisiana and in Texas.
<End Quote>
Varies a bit from what the conspiracy books tell you, doesn't it?
>The
>Garrison investigation found out about this police informant and
>interviewed him -- he stated that Milteer had told him that both Jack Ruby
>and J.D. Tippet were shooters.
>
Somersett had some other interesting things to say in this interview.
For example:
<Quote on>
Milterr's [sic] account of the shooting in Dallas is that Ruby shot
from the Mall and that Tippett [sic] shot from the top of a building.
A good guess is that this was the Daltex Building. Milterr [sic] was
not clear about Oswald's role although he thought he was downstairs in
the book depository rather than on an upper floor. Somersett guesses
that it might have been Milterr [sic] himself that fired the shots
from the windows of the book depository.
<Quote off>
Does this really sound plausible to you?
And this is from the *later* statement.
"MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN [BUD] FENSTERWALD AND BILL
SOMERSETT" from the New Orleans District Attorney's office. It's
National Archives document 180-10099-10133. Dated June 5, 1968, it's
the first known instance of Somersett mentioning this supposed
incident.
>Some argue that Milteer was not in a position to be connected to any
>proposed conspiracy -- however, he was a member of the KKK, John Birch
>Society, and White Citizens Council.
>
>There are many who will argue that the KKK was involved in the
>assassination, and many who will observe that the KKK was a "subsidiary"
>of Freemasonry, which has countless connections to the assassination.
>
You've really gone around the bend here.
.John
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Alex Foyle
> On 22 Aug 2010 20:20:23 -0400, SimonJCP <shadowlu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >There are many who will argue that the KKK was involved in the
> >assassination, and many who will observe that the KKK was a "subsidiary"
> >of Freemasonry, which has countless connections to the assassination.
>
> You've really gone around the bend here.
>
> .John
He might be referring to the writings of James Shelby Downard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shelby_Downard
Parts of his infamous “King-Kill/33: Masonic Symbolism in the
Assassination of John F. Kennedy” can be found here:
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/kingkill33.html
Didn't you know?
John McAdams
Intestingly, on one of the anniversaries of the assassination a few
years back, I was asked by some agency that supplied material to
morning drive DJs to list the craziest JFK assassination theories.
I did that, and got a lot of calls to talk about them.
I would have said the whole thing was silly, but the morning DJs
quickly turned to subjects like the SBT and "mystery deaths" and stuff
that is indeed worth discussing.
One thing on my list was "the recreation of a Masonic ritual -- the
assassination of King Hiram Abiff in Dealey Plaza."
.John
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Alex Foyle
> One thing on my list was "the recreation of a Masonic ritual -- the
> assassination of King Hiram Abiff in Dealey Plaza."
>
> .John
That's Downard alright ... he makes heaps of sensational connections,
one of my favorite is his linking of the Hertz sign on top of the TSBD
to the Hartz mountain in Germany ... see:
http://www.naderlibrary.com/seldes.kingkill2.htm
For the sake of completeness here is part 1:
http://www.naderlibrary.com/seldes.kingkill1.htm
"T'is an ill wind that blows no minds" as Malaclypse the Younger so
aptly said ...
SimonJCP
As a matter of fact, there is no shortage of connections between the
assassination and Freemasonry:
1) The date that Kennedy was shot on (11/22) was Masonic (11+22 = 33
-- favorite number of Freemasonry). The assassination took place in
Dallas, which lies along Highway 77 (7 = Masonic favorite number), in
Dealey Plaza, named after high-degree Freemason George Dealey and the
site of Dallas' first Masonic temple. He was shot next to the 33rd
Degree latitude line at the "capstone" of a pyramid-shaped area (Very
Masonic/Illuminist). A Masonic obelisk has been built at the scene of
the shooting.
2) Jack Ruby was a Freemason and can be seen doing a Masonic handshake
with two supporters at his trial.
3) Abraham Zapruder, who filmed the assassination, was a 33rd Degree
Freemason.
4) Earl Warren, head of the Warren Commission, was a 33rd Degree
Freemason. Gerald Ford, member of the Warren Commission and "co-
author" of the Single-Bullet Theory, was a 33rd Degree Freemason.
Arlen Specter, Warren Commission staffer and "author" of the Single-
Bullet Theory, was a 33rd Degree Freemason. Allen Dulles, who was the
real power behind the Warren Commission and who was closely tied to
many of the suspects/participants, was a Freemason. Richard B.
Russell, Jr., Warren Commission member, was a 33rd Degree Freemason.
5) The Warren Commission was formally established by Lyndon B.
Johnson, who was close to many of the "Texan" suspects (Oil barons,
etc.) and for whom Mac Wallace, whose prints were found in the TSBD,
worked for. Johnson was a Freemason.
6) George H.W Bush, who was involved in the Anti-Castro Cubans CIA
operation, was photographed on the steps of the TSBD at the time of
the assassination, was a long-time friend of George De Mohrenschildt,
and who phoned in a red-herring story about a "James Parrot" (right-
winger) making remarks about killing the President. Bush was, in
addition to a member of the Masonic/Illuminati-offshoot Skull & Bones,
an alleged 33rd Degree Freemason.
7) The CIA/FBI offices in New Orleans were based in the city's Masonic
temple before, during, and after the assassination.
8) W. Guy Banister, Oswald's supervisor in New Orleans, was a
Freemason. His gravestone was marked with the Masonic logo, the square
and compass.
9) Clay Shaw, seen with Oswald and Ferrie a number of times, sometimes
planning the assassination, and an alleged associate of Banister, was
rumored to be a Freemason, and was deeply involved in the building of
the International Trade Mart of New Orleans, which was 33 stories (33
-- Masons' favorite number!) high.
10) The "mastermind" behind Permindex (George Mandel) was a Freemason.
11) The Dallas local government and police were very much "run" by
members of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) and John Birch Society (JBS), two
groups which have intimate connections to Freemasonry and were accused
of being Freemasonic fronts.
12) A high-level official in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), Yitzhak
Rabin (Who would later fall victim to a conspiracy while serving as
prime minister), was present in Dallas for a "military tour" of some
sort. Rabin was an active Freemason. Kennedy was engaged in a "secret
war" with David Ben-Gurion over Israel's nuclear program, which
Kennedy wanted to shut down. Ben-Gurion was a Freemason.
John McAdams
>On Aug 26, 1:11=A0am, John McAdams <john.mcad...@marquette.edu> wrote:
>> On 25 Aug 2010 23:30:22 -0400, Alex Foyle <alexfo...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 24 Aug., 04:15, John McAdams <john.mcad...@marquette.edu> wrote:
>> >> On 22 Aug 2010 20:20:23 -0400, SimonJCP <shadowlu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >There are many who will argue that the KKK was involved in the
>> >> >assassination, and many who will observe that the KKK was a "subsidia=
>ry"
>> >> >of Freemasonry, which has countless connections to the assassination.
>>
>> >> You've really gone around the bend here.
>>
>> >> .John
>>
>> >He might be referring to the writings of James Shelby Downard:
>>
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shelby_Downard
>>
>> >Parts of his infamous =93King-Kill/33: Masonic Symbolism in the
>> >Assassination of John F. Kennedy=94 can be found here:
>>
>> >http://www.revisionisthistory.org/kingkill33.html
>>
>> >Didn't you know?
>>
>> Intestingly, on one of the anniversaries of the assassination a few
>> years back, I was asked by some agency that supplied material to
>> morning drive DJs to list the craziest JFK assassination theories.
>>
>> I did that, and got a lot of calls to talk about them.
>>
>> I would have said the whole thing was silly, but the morning DJs
>> quickly turned to subjects like the SBT and "mystery deaths" and stuff
>> that is indeed worth discussing.
>>
>> One thing on my list was "the recreation of a Masonic ritual -- the
>> assassination of King Hiram Abiff in Dealey Plaza."
>>
>> .John
>> --------------http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
>As a matter of fact, there is no shortage of connections between the
>assassination and Freemasonry:
>
>1) The date that Kennedy was shot on (11/22) was Masonic (11+22 =3D 33
>-- favorite number of Freemasonry). The assassination took place in
>Dallas, which lies along Highway 77 (7 =3D Masonic favorite number), in
Are you joking, or are you actually serious?
.John
--
The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Sandy McCroskey
Took the words right out of my mouth!
/sm
SimonJCP
Would you like me to provide a sourced link for each numbered
accusation? And, if I do, perhaps I should provide context by noting:
1) The long-time/close covert ties between Freemasonry and the Vatican
(Which has many connections, through it's affiliated organizations, to
the assassination), as well as other influential "clubs" at the time.
2) The amount of influence the "club" of Freemasonry has had within
the power structure since the creation of the United States.
3) The continuing present influence of Freemasonry in the world power
structure.
Sandy McCroskey
So you believe everything you read (unless, of course, it comes from
the dadburned gummint).
/sm
mark drenning
SimonJCP
And how does one draw a conclusion like that from me stating that I
can back up my facts and establish context? One doesn't. You're
trollin'.
When I say I can source my claims, I mean source them to generally
reputable people. I would suspect a shoddy claim from a conspiracy
website as much as I would suspect a shoddy claim from a government
agency.
For an example of how strong my sources are, here's the proof that
Banister is a Mason -- Banister himself! Check it out:
"I am a Past Master of Graham Surghnor Lodge #383, F. & A. M., Monroe,
Louisiana. I still hold my membership there. I am a member of the
Scottish Rite and of Jerusalem Temple, New Orleans, Louisiana." - Guy
Banister
http://www.jfk-online.com/jpsgbwrjm.html
I've studied Freemasonry quite thoroughly, as well as other "clubs"
and "networks" with close ties to the power structure. To name many:
-Chatham House (Royal Institute of International Affairs)
-Committee of 300
-JASON Society
-Society of the Elect
-Rhodes Scholars
-Society of Jesus
-Pilgrims Society
-The Order of Skull & Bones
-Book and Snake
-Scroll and Key
-Wolf's Head
-Bohemian Club
-1001 Club
-Club of Rome
-Bilderberg Group
-Trilateral Commission
-Priory of Sion
-Knights of Columbus
-Orangemen
-Council on Foreign Relations
-Sovereign Military Order of Malta
-Council for National Policy
-Freemasonry
-Royal Society
-Rosicrucian Order
-Aspen Institute
-Mont Perelin Society
Is there a coordinated "world elite"? You betcha, and the links the
"top" had to the assassination are quite strong.
Sandy McCroskey
Oh, I'm sure you can back up your facts to *your* satisfaction. That
goes without saying! Ha. I'm sure you read it all somewhere.
/sm
Dave Yandell
You forgot Phi Beta Kappa, the Elks, the Better Business Bureau, the
Comintern, UNICEF, Opus Dei. the Teamsters, La Cosa Nostra, the Stafford
Loan Program, OPEC, the World Wildlife Fund, the Screen Actors Guild, and
the Jedi Order, just to name a few.
You are kidding about the Priory of Sion right? You know that stuff was an
admitted hoax?
Best,
Dave
PS: Full disclosure: I sometimes hang out with, and am employed by
(frisson of horror), Jesuits and my late uncle belonged to a lodge. My
wife belongs to a union and one of my sons is in the Thespian Society.
Sadly, my hold over world politics has slipped in recent years.
John McAdams
wrote:
I guess since we are confessing things, I should admit that I'm an
oenophile.
And all of us live in fear that conspiracists will catch onto our
game.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Dave Yandell
You forgot Phi Beta Kappa, the Elks, the Better Business Bureau, the
SimonJCP
I RESPONDED TO THIS MESSAGE YESTERDAY AND YET MY MESSAGE REMAINS
UNAPPROVED.
John McAdams
We moderators have not rejected any post of yours.
If it's still not visible on the newsgroup, send it again.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Sandy McCroskey
I saw a reply by you and I've responded to that too (though I don't
have much to say to someone who starts off with such a wild premise).
/sm
Dave Yandell
> On 30 Aug 2010 23:23:16 -0400, Dave Yandell <dyand...@gmail.com>
At recent APA (phil not psych) Pacific Division conventions, there
have been sessions on philosophical oenophilia with accompanying
sampling. You ought to see whether there is one coming up and submit a
paper proposal.
Your fellow SJ-fellow-traveler,
Dave
BTW, sorry for double posting somehow.
David Von Pein
FOLLOW-UP POST REGARDING FBI AGENT DON ADAMS:
On August 20, 2010, I made the following comments about Don Adams:
"Adams tells all kinds of falsehoods [during a July 28, 2010,
interview on WTAM-Radio in Cleveland, Ohio], such as the howler about
how Oswald would have had to criss-cross the Book Depository building
a total of THREE different times in order to get from the sixth-floor
"loft" (as Adams calls it) to the second-floor "break room" (as Adams
calls the lunchroom)! Adams actually seems to think that Oswald had to
cross the entire length of the building THREE times--once to hide the
rifle; then another criss-cross to get to the stairs (totally untrue);
and then a third crossing of the building in order to reach the
lunchroom (also a lie). This guy doesn't know the most basic facts
about the assassination or Oswald's movements." -- DVP; 08/20/10
[original post linked below]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0536023a54b7a374
Ten days later, on August 30, 2010, Adams was a guest on James Fetzer's
"Real Deal" Internet radio program [http://RadioFetzer.blogspot.com]. The
lengthy segment with Adams is linked below:
http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20fetzer%20real%20deal-don%20adams.mp3
On the Fetzer broadcast, Mr. Adams talked briefly about a person who was
criticizing him for saying that Oswald would have needed to cross the TSBD
building three separate times prior to LHO's encounter with Officer
Marrion L. Baker. And although Adams didn't mention me by name, I know he
was referring to me and my Internet comments quoted above.
Adams, on the Fetzer program, claims he never said any such thing
about Oswald's criss-crossing movements during the WTAM show in July.
Well, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. Or, in this instance,
the proof is in the podcast, which I've linked below. Unfortunately,
since I wrote my original post about this matter on August 20th, Mr.
Adams has removed from his website the audio links to his 5-part July
interview on WTAM-Radio, so you can't find them on Adams' homepage any
longer [http://adamsjfk.com/Home.html] -- at least not as of today's
date of September 13, 2010.
But Adams' WTAM interview is not lost entirely. I found that it is
still available (as of today anyway) at the WTAM website, which
enabled me to prove that I was correct and Don Adams was wrong
regarding this topic about Oswald criss-crossing the Book Depository.
This issue isn't important at all in the grand scheme of things, of
course, but I just wanted to clarify the record (mainly for my own
archived collection of Internet articles and posts). And the record
can, indeed, be clarified by going to approximately the halfway mark
in the MP3 audio file linked below, which is where conspiracy theorist
Don Adams can be heard saying this:
"When we talk about Oswald doing the shooting, at the loft [the
Sniper's Nest on the sixth floor of the TSBD], he would have ran from
the loft after he did the shooting, he ran to the front of the
building [it was actually the back of the building, further
illustrating that Adams doesn't know what he's talking about] and he
hid the weapon in a bunch of cardboard boxes. He then ran across the
building and went down four flights of stairs, and then ran across the
building to the break room." -- Donald A. Adams; July 28, 2010
Adams also says in the podcast below that he thinks there were "11
shots fired in Dallas" at President Kennedy. Now, if that statement
isn't enough to make all reasonable and rational people roll their
eyes, then I don't know what would be.
DON ADAMS' INTERVIEW FROM JULY 28, 2010:
David Von Pein
September 13, 2010