On May 1, 2008, the winners of the annual "Edgar Allan Poe Awards" were announced, and Vincent Bugliosi's true-crime book "RECLAIMING HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY" took home the prize for "Best Fact Crime" book of 2007.
Nice job, Vince. Congratulations. It's a well-deserved victory.
> On May 1, 2008, the winners of the annual "Edgar Allan Poe Awards" > were announced, and Vincent Bugliosi's true-crime book "RECLAIMING > HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY" took home the > prize for "Best Fact Crime" book of 2007.
> Nice job, Vince. Congratulations. It's a well-deserved victory.
On 2 May 2008 09:43:39 -0400, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>On May 1, 2008, the winners of the annual "Edgar Allan Poe Awards" >were announced, and Vincent Bugliosi's true-crime book "RECLAIMING >HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY" took home the >prize for "Best Fact Crime" book of 2007.
>Nice job, Vince. Congratulations. It's a well-deserved victory.
i can't go into detail because i have not read his book HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by ommision.
These things come down to who votes on em......sorta reminds me of the rolling stone magazine's 100 greatest guitarist of all time and Django Rhiendhart AND Steve Vai don't even make the list....thats like the joke of the decade.
David Von Pein wrote: > On May 1, 2008, the winners of the annual "Edgar Allan Poe Awards" > were announced, and Vincent Bugliosi's true-crime book "RECLAIMING > HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY" took home the > prize for "Best Fact Crime" book of 2007.
> Nice job, Vince. Congratulations. It's a well-deserved victory.
Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book
HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by ommision."
Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to mention in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's NSAM 263, and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's plan?
James
"pin head" <longiislandh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> On 2 May 2008 09:43:39 -0400, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> > wrote:
>>On May 1, 2008, the winners of the annual "Edgar Allan Poe Awards" >>were announced, and Vincent Bugliosi's true-crime book "RECLAIMING >>HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY" took home the >>prize for "Best Fact Crime" book of 2007.
>>Nice job, Vince. Congratulations. It's a well-deserved victory.
> i can't go into detail because i have not read his book HOWEVER I was Very > Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by ommision.
> These things come down to who votes on em......sorta reminds me of the > rolling stone magazine's 100 greatest guitarist of all time and Django > Rhiendhart AND Steve Vai don't even make the list....thats like the joke > of the decade.
On 3 May 2008 23:15:53 -0400, "Jas" <jste...@cox.net> wrote:
>Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book >HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by >ommision."
>Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to mention >in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's NSAM 263, >and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's plan?
>James
In Fact Yea Stone served up a good deal of total BS himself
>> i can't go into detail because i have not read his book HOWEVER I was Very >> Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by ommision.
>> These things come down to who votes on em......sorta reminds me of the >> rolling stone magazine's 100 greatest guitarist of all time and Django >> Rhiendhart AND Steve Vai don't even make the list....thats like the joke >> of the decade.
On 3 May 2008 23:15:53 -0400, "Jas" <jste...@cox.net> wrote:
>Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book >HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by >ommision."
>Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to mention >in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's NSAM 263, >and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's plan?
>James
Yea sorta Stones movie was chock full o horse shit as well
>> i can't go into detail because i have not read his book HOWEVER I was Very >> Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by ommision.
>> These things come down to who votes on em......sorta reminds me of the >> rolling stone magazine's 100 greatest guitarist of all time and Django >> Rhiendhart AND Steve Vai don't even make the list....thats like the joke >> of the decade.
Jas wrote: > Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book > HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by > ommision."
> Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to > mention in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's > NSAM 263, and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's > plan?
Naughty, naughty. You are not supposed to admit that LBJ changed NSAM 273 at all.
>>> On May 1, 2008, the winners of the annual "Edgar Allan Poe Awards" >>> were announced, and Vincent Bugliosi's true-crime book "RECLAIMING >>> HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY" took home the >>> prize for "Best Fact Crime" book of 2007.
>>> Nice job, Vince. Congratulations. It's a well-deserved victory.
>> i can't go into detail because i have not read his book HOWEVER I was >> Very >> Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by ommision.
>> These things come down to who votes on em......sorta reminds me of the >> rolling stone magazine's 100 greatest guitarist of all time and Django >> Rhiendhart AND Steve Vai don't even make the list....thats like the joke >> of the decade.
On 3 May 2008 23:15:53 -0400, "Jas" <jste...@cox.net> wrote:
>Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book >HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by >ommision."
>Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to mention >in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's NSAM 263, >and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's plan?
>James
yea pretty much stone was chock full o shit as well
> On 3 May 2008 23:15:53 -0400, "Jas" <jste...@cox.net> wrote:
>>Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book >>HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by >>ommision."
>>Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to mention >>in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's NSAM 263, >>and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's plan?
>>James
> yea pretty much stone was chock full o shit as well
ALL movies based on Historical events empoloy "Poetic Lisence".
How many other movies have you complained about???
On May 4, 5:37 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Jas wrote: > > Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book > > HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by > > ommision."
> > Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to > > mention in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's > > NSAM 263, and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's > > plan?
> Naughty, naughty. You are not supposed to admit that LBJ changed NSAM > 273 at all.
Well the man was much more honest about NSAM 273 than you and Peter Dale Scott. I know Scott’s major, what was yours.
Keeping in mind, Marsh, that NSAM 273 was drafted for JFK, there is of course a small change in NSM 273 from NSAM 263. The small change is insignificant to all except the Camelot groupies, English majors and… er…other people with an agenda to fill. Dr. Moise says, “It didn’t go much farther”. That is most folk’s take on it.
On May 2, 9:43 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 2008, the winners of the annual "Edgar Allan Poe Awards" > were announced, and Vincent Bugliosi's true-crime book "RECLAIMING > HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY" took home the > prize for "Best Fact Crime" book of 2007.
> Nice job, Vince. Congratulations. It's a well-deserved victory.
Hmmm. This seems to me to be a bit of a backhanded compliment.
I like Poe's writing quite a bit, but have you ever read his "Murders in the Rue Morgue"?
It's the short story credited with launching the entire murder mystery genre, which I presume is why the Mystery Writers of America would name their award after him, and yet, it's terrible, just atrocious.
Poe's sleuth employs a brand of reasoning that has more in common with Jim Garrison than Bugliosi. And the murderer turns out to be -- well, in fairness to Poe, only SLIGHTLY more unlikely than some of the "suspects" trotted out by the CTs.
billcla...@live.com wrote: > On May 4, 5:37 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: >> Jas wrote: >>> Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book >>> HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by >>> ommision." >>> Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to >>> mention in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's >>> NSAM 263, and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's >>> plan? >> Naughty, naughty. You are not supposed to admit that LBJ changed NSAM >> 273 at all.
> Well the man was much more honest about NSAM 273 than you and Peter > Dale Scott. I know Scott’s major, what was yours.
Who was? And what is this attempt at Argument by Authority? My major is not pertinent. I could likewise ask you what your major was and it would be war.
> Keeping in mind, Marsh, that NSAM 273 was drafted for JFK, there is of > course a small change in NSM 273 from NSAM 263. The small change is > insignificant to all except the Camelot groupies, English majors and… > er…other people with an agenda to fill. Dr. Moise says, “It didn’t go > much farther”. That is most folk’s take on it.
No, and you can't seem to realize that if Moise says it didn't go MUCH farther that is admitting that it was changed.
> billcla...@live.com wrote: > > On May 4, 5:37 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Jas wrote: > >>> Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book > >>> HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by > >>> ommision." > >>> Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to > >>> mention in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's > >>> NSAM 263, and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's > >>> plan? > >> Naughty, naughty. You are not supposed to admit that LBJ changed NSAM > >> 273 at all.
> > Well the man was much more honest about NSAM 273 than you and Peter > > Dale Scott. I know Scott’s major, what was yours.
> Who was?
Pin Head.
> My major is not pertinent.
It is to me. It is my thought that English majors that wander over into history with their mind already made up cause much of this twisted history that is put out.
> I could likewise ask you what your major was and it would be war.
"The Tell-Tale Heart" was a favorite Poe story for me as a young-un. That one could really cause the shivers on a dark night. As well as "The Pit And The Pendulum". The '61 Vincent Price (not Vincent Bugliosi) version of "Pit" is a classic for sure.
"...Eyes gouged from bloody sockets....flesh burned black!"
(Please note the multiple associations with VB to keep this post on target.) ;)
>>> "Poe's sleuth employs a brand of reasoning that has more in common
with Jim Garrison than Bugliosi." <<<
LOL.
>>> "And the murderer turns out to be -- well, in fairness to Poe, only
SLIGHTLY more unlikely than some of the "suspects" trotted out by the CTs." <<<
> "The Tell-Tale Heart" was a favorite Poe story for me as a young-un. That > one could really cause the shivers on a dark night. As well as "The Pit > And The Pendulum". The '61 Vincent Price (not Vincent Bugliosi) version of > "Pit" is a classic for sure.
> "...Eyes gouged from bloody sockets....flesh burned black!"
> (Please note the multiple associations with VB to keep this post on > target.) ;)
I have fond memories of "The Cask of Amontillado." Read it with some of our esteemed research colleagues in mind. \:^)
> >>> "Poe's sleuth employs a brand of reasoning that has more in common
> with Jim Garrison than Bugliosi." <<<
> LOL.
> >>> "And the murderer turns out to be -- well, in fairness to Poe, only
> SLIGHTLY more unlikely than some of the "suspects" trotted out by the > CTs." <<<
> Including Dave Ferrie and Jimmy Files even??
Spoiler alert! An orangutan did it.
To the best of my knowledge, no one has placed a monkey in Dealey Plaza . . . but I could be wrong. \:^)
> "Rue" must be pretty bad then.
Yeah, but it was the first murder mystery, so it's a part of history. I'm not a mystery buff, but I'm guessing it was probably Arthur Conan Doyle who made the genre credible. (I was never much of a Sherlock Holmes fan, though.)
On the other hand -- and to drag this thread even more off-topic (hey, if everyone else can do it, why can't I?) -- Doyle also happened to be one of the most gullible promoters of paranormal gobbledygook the world has ever seen. He makes Team Judyth look like Walter Cronkite.
If you don't know what I mean, check out this especially noteworthy example:
billcla...@live.com wrote: > On May 5, 7:06 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: >> billcla...@live.com wrote: >>> On May 4, 5:37 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> Jas wrote: >>>>> Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book >>>>> HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by >>>>> ommision." >>>>> Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to >>>>> mention in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's >>>>> NSAM 263, and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's >>>>> plan? >>>> Naughty, naughty. You are not supposed to admit that LBJ changed NSAM >>>> 273 at all. >>> Well the man was much more honest about NSAM 273 than you and Peter >>> Dale Scott. I know Scott’s major, what was yours. >> Who was?
> Pin Head.
>> My major is not pertinent.
> It is to me. It is my thought that English majors that wander over > into history with their mind already made up cause much of this > twisted history that is put out.
> billcla...@live.com wrote: > > On May 5, 7:06 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> billcla...@live.com wrote: > >>> On May 4, 5:37 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: > >>>> Jas wrote: > >>>>> Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book > >>>>> HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by > >>>>> ommision." > >>>>> Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to > >>>>> mention in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's > >>>>> NSAM 263, and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's > >>>>> plan? > >>>> Naughty, naughty. You are not supposed to admit that LBJ changed NSAM > >>>> 273 at all. > >>> Well the man was much more honest about NSAM 273 than you and Peter > >>> Dale Scott. I know Scott’s major, what was yours. > >> Who was?
> > Pin Head.
> >> My major is not pertinent.
> > It is to me. It is my thought that English majors that wander over > > into history with their mind already made up cause much of this > > twisted history that is put out.
> Who cares what YOU think?
Now now Anthony. I care what you think because it is usually pretty funny.
> On May 7, 7:26 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > billcla...@live.com wrote: > > > On May 5, 7:06 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: > > >> billcla...@live.com wrote: > > >>> On May 4, 5:37 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: > > >>>> Jas wrote: > > >>>>> Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read his book > > >>>>> HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he lied by > > >>>>> ommision." > > >>>>> Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to > > >>>>> mention in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of Kennedy's > > >>>>> NSAM 263, and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing Kennedy's > > >>>>> plan? > > >>>> Naughty, naughty. You are not supposed to admit that LBJ changed NSAM > > >>>> 273 at all. > > >>> Well the man was much more honest about NSAM 273 than you and Peter > > >>> Dale Scott. I know Scott’s major, what was yours. > > >> Who was?
> > > Pin Head.
> > >> My major is not pertinent.
> > > It is to me. It is my thought that English majors that wander over > > > into history with their mind already made up cause much of this > > > twisted history that is put out.
> > Who cares what YOU think?
> Now now Anthony. I care what you think because it is usually pretty > funny.
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I have seen VB's book in the discount rack at both Borders and Barnes & Noble for less than ten bucks. I'm sure that very few people have actually read it, but that wouldn't stop them from agreeing with his conclusions. Just like the Warren Report and Case Closed.
On May 2, 8:43 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 2008, the winners of the annual "Edgar Allan Poe Awards" > were announced, and Vincent Bugliosi's true-crime book "RECLAIMING > HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY" took home the > prize for "Best Fact Crime" book of 2007.
> Nice job, Vince. Congratulations. It's a well-deserved victory.
Matty wrote: "I have seen VB's book in the discount rack at both Borders
and Barnes & Noble for less than ten bucks. I'm sure that very few people have actually read it, but that wouldn't stop them from agreeing with his conclusions. Just like the Warren Report and Case Closed."
Oh really? Which Barnes and Noble and Borders are you talking about?
How about their phone numbers and addresses so I can check out your allegations.
And, you can check out a copy of it at the local library for free, just like any other book there. So, what's your point?
James
"MattyO" <mattobri...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> On May 7, 7:26 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > billcla...@live.com wrote: > > > On May 5, 7:06 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: > > >> billcla...@live.com wrote: > > >>> On May 4, 5:37 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: > > >>>> Jas wrote: > > >>>>> Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not read > > >>>>> his book > > >>>>> HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times he > > >>>>> lied by > > >>>>> ommision." > > >>>>> Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently failed to > > >>>>> mention in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of > > >>>>> Kennedy's > > >>>>> NSAM 263, and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing > > >>>>> Kennedy's > > >>>>> plan? > > >>>> Naughty, naughty. You are not supposed to admit that LBJ changed > > >>>> NSAM > > >>>> 273 at all. > > >>> Well the man was much more honest about NSAM 273 than you and Peter > > >>> Dale Scott. I know Scott’s major, what was yours. > > >> Who was?
> > > Pin Head.
> > >> My major is not pertinent.
> > > It is to me. It is my thought that English majors that wander over > > > into history with their mind already made up cause much of this > > > twisted history that is put out.
> > Who cares what YOU think?
> Now now Anthony. I care what you think because it is usually pretty > funny.
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I have seen VB's book in the discount rack at both Borders and Barnes & Noble for less than ten bucks. I'm sure that very few people have actually read it, but that wouldn't stop them from agreeing with his conclusions. Just like the Warren Report and Case Closed.
Jas wrote: > Matty wrote: "I have seen VB's book in the discount rack at both Borders > and Barnes & Noble for less than ten bucks. I'm sure that very few > people have actually read it, but that wouldn't stop them from agreeing > with his conclusions. Just like the Warren Report and Case Closed."
> Oh really? Which Barnes and Noble and Borders are you talking about?
> How about their phone numbers and addresses so I can check out your > allegations.
> And, you can check out a copy of it at the local library for free, just > like any other book there. So, what's your point?
That the public knows his book is worthless. It was never a best seller as some WC defenders predicted it would be. Several conspiracy books have been best sellers. Few WC defender books have.
>> > billcla...@live.com wrote: >> > > On May 5, 7:06 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: >> > >> billcla...@live.com wrote: >> > >>> On May 4, 5:37 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote: >> > >>>> Jas wrote: >> > >>>>> Pin head wrote: "i can't go into detail because i have not >> read > >>>>> his book >> > >>>>> HOWEVER I was Very Unimpressed by his videos, where at times >> he > >>>>> lied by >> > >>>>> ommision." >> > >>>>> Hmmmm. You mean, uh, like when Oliver Stone conveniently >> failed to >> > >>>>> mention in "JFK" that NSAM 273 was really just an amendment of >> > >>>>> Kennedy's >> > >>>>> NSAM 263, and that it wasn't totally LBJ completely reversing >> > >>>>> Kennedy's >> > >>>>> plan? >> > >>>> Naughty, naughty. You are not supposed to admit that LBJ >> changed > >>>> NSAM >> > >>>> 273 at all. >> > >>> Well the man was much more honest about NSAM 273 than you and Peter >> > >>> Dale Scott. I know Scott’s major, what was yours. >> > >> Who was?
>> > > Pin Head.
>> > >> My major is not pertinent.
>> > > It is to me. It is my thought that English majors that wander over >> > > into history with their mind already made up cause much of this >> > > twisted history that is put out.
>> > Who cares what YOU think?
>> Now now Anthony. I care what you think because it is usually pretty >> funny.
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> I have seen VB's book in the discount rack at both Borders and Barnes & > Noble for less than ten bucks. I'm sure that very few people have > actually read it, but that wouldn't stop them from agreeing with his > conclusions. Just like the Warren Report and Case Closed.
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